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- justguessing, on 10/03/2008, -7/+89I was a little suspicious when she mentioned Sudan. http://indigoed.com/images/world-map.jpg
- MediaWeasel, on 10/03/2008, -2/+13hehe!!!
- Dereliction, on 10/04/2008, -0/+5Nope, nope ... inaccurate! There is no icon representing Putin's head looming over the airspace of Alaska.
- Nintensity, on 10/04/2008, -0/+9This proves you don't have to be in Washington D.C. to lie like a politician.
Sarah Palin, a breath of fresh air. Riiiight.........
- MediaWeasel, on 10/03/2008, -5/+60Quote: "Gara says the lack of support from Palin's administration helped kill the measure.
"I walked out of that hearing livid," Gara recalled of the February meeting. Because of the Palin administration's opposition to the bill, "We could not get a vote in that committee," he explained. At no point did Palin come out in support of the effort, Gara said."
and at the end:
""At the last minute they showed up" and supported the divestment effort, Gara said. But by then the legislative session was almost over, and there wasn't enough time to get it passed.
The Alaska Permanent Fund currently holds $22 million in Sudan-linked investments, according to the non-profit Sudan Divestment Task Force. Divestment advocates say the fund does not need an act of the state legislature to divest itself of those holdings."
OK so why has the "legislation not yet been passed" according to Palin's comments in the debate, if no legislation is necessary. No idea, no clue, and no interest.- webwatch, on 10/04/2008, -1/+20 McCain-Palin two Maverick Liars!
- friscos, on 10/04/2008, -0/+7In other words, not "just" a little lie. But an "I WAS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED AND ACTED AS A BLATANT IMPEDEMENT" sort of lie... Nice.
Supporters of the GOP candidates (ya know, Palin-McCain) this year - how can you stomach supporting two (FRICKIN' OBVIOUS) pathological liars at the top of the ticket?
- rewinn, on 10/03/2008, -4/+87Another day, another lie. The funny thing is: this lie is so easily disproven. Why did she do it?
- JenniferInMO, on 10/04/2008, -0/+37She must not know the Google exists either. You'd think after all the crap that has surfaced that the would finally realize that when she says something as a public official it is, um ... public.
- rawg, on 10/04/2008, -0/+19It's the sign of a compulsive liar and they usually start by lying to themselves.
- myAmygdala, on 10/04/2008, -0/+15Her voter base can't distinguish facts from fiction. Some people don't value things such as truth and honesty, anyway.
- duckley, on 10/04/2008, -0/+12Americans HEAR the lies, but not the denials.
THAT explains the entire McCain campaign.
Karl Rove's (correct but evil) logic here.- deadbaby, on 10/04/2008, -0/+10Yep. Exactly. 70 million people watched the debates. Maybe at absolute best 7 million will find out about this story. Probably more like 700,000.
- friscos, on 10/04/2008, -0/+11Three words: "Low information voters".
- AriaStar, on 10/05/2008, -0/+6Because she either has no shame or somehow believes she has us fooled.
- joot2112, on 10/05/2008, -0/+5the lie was loud, the correction is quiet
- prosediva, on 10/05/2008, -0/+4It's like the teleprompter lie she told... just sociopathic IMHO. Serves no purpose other than to make her feel good at the moment. It's a form of masturbation.
- Delysia5, on 10/03/2008, -4/+53Since day one, I have criticized McCain’s choice of Palin as his V.P. running mate. Now that I have gotten to know her better, I understand why McCain chose her: She is just as much a pathological liar as he is. In fact, I now realize how well they are matched. However, what a shame it would be for America to end up with these two people as representatives, much less President and Vice-President, of this nation. If you could count on one thing from them, it would be that you could almost guarantee that you would seldom get the truth from either of them, if at all.
- toptopics, on 10/04/2008, -6/+39is there no end to the lies? plain perhaps forgot to read the 10 commandments.. so much for being a devoted Christian. "oh I am pro life, I am against abortions".. bitch follow the 10 commandments first..
- Alex2, on 10/04/2008, -12/+3Name five of the ten commandments, without looking it up.
- Brain1, on 10/05/2008, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU
- OstrakonX, on 10/05/2008, -0/+31) No other gods beside me.
2) Don't take my name in vain
3) Honor the Sabbath
4) Honor your parents
5) Don't kill *****.
6) Don't commit adultery
7) Don't steal *****. (I remember in CCD 5-7 had Kittens And Snakes mnemonic device)
8) Don't covet material *****.
9) Don't covet your neighbor's spouse
10) Don't lie about *****
Been a while since CCD, and I might have ***** up the order. I was confirmed Catholic more or less against my will (parents holding HS tuition over my head), but I profess myself as an agnostic because a) I don't believe that man is capable of proving or disproving the existence of God and b) it sickens me that even as someone who doesn't believe the righteous stare of an omnipotent figure is upon me I do a better job of following most of these commandments.
- Alex2, on 10/04/2008, -12/+3Name five of the ten commandments, without looking it up.
- Maassivedotcom, on 10/04/2008, -5/+42Members of Congress (including Sens Brownback and Durbin) asked Palin, in writing, to support divestment in Nov 2006--when she was still only gov-elect. It took her 16 months to get on the wagon.
Sourced and fact-checked here:
http://swingstateofmind.com/?p=663 - JenniferInMO, on 10/04/2008, -5/+46FTA: "The legislation is well-intended, and the desire to make a difference is noble, but mixing moral and political agendas at the expense of our citizens' financial security is not a good combination," testified Brian Andrews, Palin's deputy revenue commissioner, before a hearing on the Gara-Lynn Sudan divestment bill in February. Minutes from the meeting are posted online by the legislature.
Gara says the lack of support from Palin's administration helped kill the measure. "I walked out of that hearing livid," Gara recalled of the February meeting. Because of the Palin administration's opposition to the bill, "We could not get a vote in that committee," he explained."
All of her lies piss me off, but this one is one of the worst. Not only did she kill the bill, but her public position was that "mixing moral and political agendas" and the "citizens' financial security" are mutually exclusive positions. She simply made that statement and dismissed the the fact that her decision supported continued genocide. THEN she had the gall to lie about her position, and actually take credit for it to prove that she has some empathy. This lie clearly shows she does not. This is pure evil with a wink and a "you betcha."- Dawnrazor, on 10/04/2008, -0/+8She complains about mixing "moral and political agendas" but then shapes the states support for abstinance only sex education based on her own moral beliefs.
What a hypocrite. - mcrumley, on 10/04/2008, -1/+2Palin was not the one complaining about mixing moral and political agendas.
From the second page: "We were outraged," Gara recounted. "We went to the Commissioner of Revenue and said, 'What the hell are you guys doing? This is genocide. We're going to keep pushing this until we divest."
- Dawnrazor, on 10/04/2008, -0/+8She complains about mixing "moral and political agendas" but then shapes the states support for abstinance only sex education based on her own moral beliefs.
- EZLA, on 10/04/2008, -51/+11Biden has 14 factual errors in his speech many on foreign policy. Grow-up and fact check the rumor mill.
Buried: Ignorance on display- justguessing, on 10/04/2008, -2/+21So where are your links?
- theviceroy, on 10/04/2008, -1/+18exactly - these people pull all this stuff out of the air without any sites or sources to back them up.
14 factual errors, eh? Why don't you just go ahead and list them EZLA? I don't know how to "fact check the rumor mill" - wtf does that even mean? - DutchGuilder, on 10/04/2008, -5/+5http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecki ...
- loganro, on 10/04/2008, -7/+2He posted the facts, but where are you now to try to spin it?
- loganro, on 10/04/2008, -6/+2Hypocrisy is beautiful! You guys say to show links and facts, but when someone does, you just simply digg down.
- FairDinkumMate, on 10/05/2008, -1/+2I'm here. Let me try to work out your count of '14 FACTUAL ERRORS' by going through the list on that page & we can discuss them.
1) Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.
Apart from the obvious fact that he was responding to a blatant lie by Palin(as pointed out on your own reference page & pointed out to the McCain campaign previously when they tried this line!), this is a factual error by Biden.(Total factual error count=1)
2) Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.
This isn't a factual error. Even taking factcheck.org's wording McCain wouldn't commit to a meeting with the Government of Spain. McCain Campaign adviser Randy Scheunemann e-mailed CNN and the Washington Post the next day, saying that McCain's reluctance to commit to a meeting with Zapatero was a policy decision. (Total factual error count=1)
3) Biden claimed that McCain said in a magazine article that he wanted to deregulate the health care industry as the banking industry had been.
McCain's words from the interview "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.". I think that factcheck.org claiming this is just a reference by McCain is naive at best. McCain has previously been a champion of deregulation & could easily refer to these exact words as him saying before he was elected what he would do. Considering this is the guy telling people he's going to give them $5,000 towards health insurance without telling them he's going to tax their employer provided health insuirance value as income(average value $12,000) you wouldn't exactly give him the benefit of the doubt.(Total factual error count=1)
4), 5), 6), 7) & 8) Biden said five times that McCain's tax plan would give oil companies a "$4 billion tax cut." As we’ve noted previously, McCain’s plan would cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent — for ALL corporations, not just oil companies. Biden uses a Democratic think tank's estimate for what the rate change is worth to the five largest U.S. oil companies.
This is factually VERY accurate. McCain's tax plan WOULD give oil companies a $4 billion tax cut!
(Total factual error count=1)
9) Biden said that Iraq had an "$80 billion surplus." The country was once projected to have as much as a $79 billion surplus, but no more. The Iraqis have $29 billion in the bank, and could have $47 billion to $59 billion by the end of the year, as we noted when Obama used the incorrect figure. A $21 billion supplemental spending bill, passed by the Iraqi legislature in August, knocked down the old projection
I'll give you this as it is NOW factually incorrect. Hardly deliberately misleading or changing the point he was making which is that the US is spending $120 billion a year while Iraq has a HUGE budget surplus.(Total factual error count=2)
10), 11), 12) & 13) Biden said four times that McCain had voted 20 times against funding alternative energy. However, in analyzing the Obama campaign's list of votes after the first presidential debate, we found the number was actually 11. In the other instances the Obama-Biden campaign cites, McCain voted not against alternative energy but against mandatory use of alternative energy, or he voted in favor of allowing exemptions from these mandates
This is semantics & could be argued either way. It can't be called a factual error because that would require Biden(or Palin) to have defined what a vote 'against' alternative energy was. Many people would consider voting against a bill because it includes the mandatory use of alternative energy is a vote against alternative energy. (Total factual error count=2)
Sorry, I don t know what your 14th claim is.
The fact that you had to count the same fact 4 & 5 times to try to come up with your total of 14 I think shows your objectives far better than anything else!
I think that it's quite obvious that your claim of 14 factual errors is about as factually accurate as a McCain campaign ad!
- theviceroy, on 10/04/2008, -1/+18exactly - these people pull all this stuff out of the air without any sites or sources to back them up.
- honestlypanda, on 10/04/2008, -6/+1Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Arachana? Naaaaaaaaah
- paintgrl, on 10/04/2008, -4/+5McCain and Palin are exposed in torrid love affair. McCain today was questioned by media about the rumors that he and Palin were caught in a torrid embrace last week at McCain's Sadona ranch.
And
McCain supports radical group La Raza and wants to easy up laws on immigration. While giving a speech to La Raza McCain promised to easy restriction on border security and attacks on South American immigrants.- drewedman, on 10/04/2008, -1/+2I can't say that I believe anything in this post at all paintgrl.
that's just blatent lying. - Spiffjiggins, on 10/04/2008, -0/+3drewedman, sigh. Man you're dense. That's just it. This thread began with a lie and she added to it. EZLA, blundered into this thread with information with no facts. No links. No examples.
Just "Biden has 14 factual errors in his speech many on foreign policy. Grow-up and fact check the rumor mill."
Like who is he that just his mere screen name warrants a belief in his statement. Who is he? Nobody. Paintgrl was just having fun with it! - paintgrl, on 10/04/2008, -0/+3Well I am glad someone has a sense of humor or sarcasm..lol
I knew I should of gone with the McCain bathes in the blood of babies..
- drewedman, on 10/04/2008, -1/+2I can't say that I believe anything in this post at all paintgrl.
- ChristPissed, on 10/04/2008, -1/+7The factcheck.org article credits Palin with more than double the fact disputes than Biden, and a number of Biden's were "quotes taken out of context" (as opposed to Plain's blatant lies and inaccuracies), and a number of Biden disputes were later retracted as errors, listed at the articles end
- justguessing, on 10/04/2008, -2/+21So where are your links?
- EZLA, on 10/04/2008, -40/+11Recently posted on digg:
"Once again two minutes actually looking on the internets proves that Governor Palin was telling the truth."
JUNEAU - Gov. Sarah Palin's administration signaled support Tuesday for the Legislature to order the divestment of Alaska's public funds from Sudan, where thousands of people have died in the Darfur region.
The worst you can say about this is that the executive director of Alaska's Permanent Fund, Mike Burns (who was appointed by the Fund's board of trustees in 2004), argued against divestment "for social reasons" (as opposed to fiscal reasons) while she came out in favor of it. Mike Burns is not part of Governor Palin's administration!
Update: From the Alaska Senate committee minutes for bill SB 227 (which ABC claimed to have searched):
PAT GALVIN, Commissioner, Department of Revenue, said the administration supports SB 227. The bill properly reflects a proactive action against genocide in Darfur by divesting in companies that profit from those activities. The situation is an ongoing human tragedy and Alaska has an opportunity to take a stand against those atrocities....The administration would like to work with the bill sponsors on it.
Buried: Inaccurate- theviceroy, on 10/04/2008, -4/+16Oh you looked on the internets! You are a master investigative journalist I'm sure...
Buried: you're stupid. - cattletracks, on 10/04/2008, -4/+6"Internets"? Graduate from the school of W?
- Dawnrazor, on 10/04/2008, -1/+8Got a link for where those "facts" came from?
- paintgrl, on 10/04/2008, -3/+6Here is some news I found on the internet.
McCain and Palin are exposed in torrid love affair. McCain today was questioned by media about the rumors that he and Palin were caught in a torrid embrace last week at McCain's Sadona ranch.
And
McCain supports radical group La Raza and wants to easy up laws on immigration. While giving a speech to La Raza McCain promised to easy restriction on border security and attacks on South American immigrants.
- theviceroy, on 10/04/2008, -4/+16Oh you looked on the internets! You are a master investigative journalist I'm sure...
- lamer, on 10/04/2008, -2/+10Absolutely true. I was there at the time.
- smacksaw, on 10/04/2008, -5/+32I was disappointed in her response. It's typical of that sort of juvenile diplomacy she espouses. Being so short-sighted costs opportunities.
If we have investments in Sudan, we are INVESTED in them, meaning, we have a say. Why does China have strong influence in Sudan? Could it be because they're investing in it? Why does Cuba hate us, but will spread eagle for Venezuela? Could it be we embargo Cuba and Venezuela invests in Cuba?
She's dumb. I hate this sort of diplomacy. If our investment matters, we ought to leverage it to get Sudan to stop the genocide. Otherwise, take the profits and donate it to refugees. Make Sudan pay for the refugees in a roundabout way.
I am so sick and tired of US diplomacy these days. If you can even call it that.- toetagger, on 10/04/2008, -0/+3Unless she really doesn't care that they are killing people.
- jbella, on 10/04/2008, -1/+2So tell me smacksaw.. how does this work?
We have x billion dollars invested in Sudan. What now? How do we influence them? Does our investment give us a vote? Does it get us an audience with their president? How exactly do we get our say with their dictatorship? Maybe we need to invest a LOT more money. Well.. thats probably not enough since, it is a dictatorship after all. We probably need to invest a lot more money, and ideologically support their government.. maybe we need to protect them against sanctions or nasty resolutions in the security council. That will probably do it.
Somehow, though.. I doubt these are things we want to do.
- poprocksandsoda, on 10/04/2008, -37/+5Obama-Biden love Jesus. If you want prayer in school and a President who will use visions from the Lord Saviour Jesus Christ to rule American policy then please vote for Obama-Biden. Hallelujah.
- Dereliction, on 10/04/2008, -1/+11Is this some sort of a feeble attempt at reverse psychology or something?
- oscenester, on 10/04/2008, -1/+12im pretty sure it's Palin thats the religious nutjob.
- ChristPissed, on 10/04/2008, -0/+7Betchya that jesus walked with dinosaurs and joe six-pack (well, maybe joe six wine flasks).
- JoeVet, on 10/04/2008, -0/+8Wow, how desperate do you have to be to try to smear your opponent with one of your own most cherished traits?
- starkplug, on 10/04/2008, -22/+7
- theviceroy, on 10/04/2008, -4/+15Spin yes, outright lies - that is too much. Obama/Biden spin like the rest of them and stretch the truth, but pure and unadulterated lies are not something I've seen their campaign stoop to.
- badqat, on 10/04/2008, -14/+6Because you don't look?
Because you're blind?
Or because you just don't care?
What, just out of curiosity, is the standard on which "stretch the truth" becomes "pure and unadulterated lies"? - loganro, on 10/04/2008, -10/+3Biden had plenty of lies in the debate, but I'm sure they were just 'spins'. I swear, liberals on digg might be the most closed minded, blind idiots I have ever encountered.
- EtherGnat, on 10/04/2008, -3/+8@badqat "What, just out of curiosity, is the standard on which "stretch the truth" becomes "pure and unadulterated lies"?"
It's not that difficult to distinguish an exaggeration from a lie. The former merely embellishes on the truth; the latter distorts it beyond all recognition. I'll give you some examples.
Palin saying troop levels had returned to pre-surge levels was an exaggeration. Pre-surge there were 132,000 troops, and there are still 146,000 troops in Iraq. Troop levels have been reduced, though, so that gets thrown in the exaggeration pile.
Biden claimed that McCain had voted against funding alternative energy 20 times. In fact there were only 11 votes technically against funding alternative energy, and another 9 that arguably couldn't be defined as such. It doesn't distort McCain's consistent lack of support for alternative energy, so it's an exaggeration.
On the other hand Palin claimed that McCain's health care plan was budget neutral and that Obama's would be "universal government run" and that health care would be "taken over by the feds." Both of those are flat out lies. In fact it is estimated McCain's plan would cost the government $1.3 trillion over 10 years (compared with $1.6 trillion for Obama's plan). Furthermore Obama’s plan would not replace or remove private insurance, or require people to enroll in a public plan. It would increase the offerings of publicly funded health care.
Biden, for his part, was flat out wrong on at least one item. When responding to Palin's claim that Obama had voted to raise taxes on families making as little as $42,000 a year (which is wrong on at least two counts itself) he incorrectly stated that McCain had voted for the same bill. He did not.
You can "stretch the truth" and still accurately reflect reality, more or less. When you venture into "pure and unadulterated lies" you're intentionally misrepresenting reality. Of course there's a third option, to just be flat out wrong (which doesn't imply any ill intent). There was some of that in Thursday's debate as well.
Info provided by FactCheck.org, which has a detailed analysis of the debates. I encourage everybody to read their coverage and make their own determination about who was more truthful. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecki ... - EtherGnat, on 10/04/2008, -2/+3Not to complain, but I'd love to know why I was dugg down for my previous statement.
- badqat, on 10/04/2008, -14/+6Because you don't look?
- razorsedge555, on 10/04/2008, -9/+3Funny, your comment got digged down by your fellow Obama supporters. Must have touched a raw nerve.
- birdly, on 10/04/2008, -0/+5I buried for the blanket untruth.
- rthakidn, on 10/04/2008, -5/+2like mccain and obama voting the same on troop funding? that's known as stretching the truth. and every obama supporter here knows it. they voted the same on the first version of the bill that contained a time line, but absolutely different when it was removed. stretching the truth. and biden is a mf for trying to make people believe that. f off.
- theviceroy, on 10/04/2008, -4/+15Spin yes, outright lies - that is too much. Obama/Biden spin like the rest of them and stretch the truth, but pure and unadulterated lies are not something I've seen their campaign stoop to.
- Dereliction, on 10/04/2008, -6/+7Who is surprised? No really, who?
- dipdog21, on 10/04/2008, -4/+20Come on now I already said she is not used to this whole fact checking elite media thing! Shesssh!
- earlsa, on 10/04/2008, -3/+13This is just another example of her and McCain saying and doing anything to get elected...
- rthakidn, on 10/04/2008, -3/+2r u kidn? Obama's change looks a hell of a lot like the same old ***** to me.
- hiriumi, on 10/04/2008, -3/+14United States should leave other countries alone. Seriously. They stick their necks into everything, and other people are hating it.
- bobcatman, on 10/04/2008, -2/+20Bitch likes to lie.
- anonymiau, on 10/04/2008, -2/+22So now she's a pro-lifer supporting genocide? This just keeps getting better and better.
- Cannonballkid, on 10/04/2008, -11/+2"We were outraged," Gara recounted" What did NARUTO do now?
- TunaFishGangsta, on 10/04/2008, -1/+12When you don't have anything you smile big and lie lie lie and hope that it's enough to confuse enough people until after you are elected. The McCain/Palin strategy.
- 223Sniper, on 10/04/2008, -3/+14god i hate that bitch.
- drewedman, on 10/04/2008, -1/+17so basically, Sarah Palin decided that cutting off 40 billion dollars to the Sudanese genocide was not worth her time.. The big businesses of alaska needed that money so that they could live in luxury while 10 THOUSAND PEOPLE A MONTH ARE SLAUGHTERED FOR BEING BORN.
- goodinohio, on 10/04/2008, -3/+2What have the other 49 governors done for the Sudan?
- davidcg, on 10/05/2008, -0/+3not invest?
- goodinohio, on 10/04/2008, -3/+2What have the other 49 governors done for the Sudan?
- Luthorcorp331, on 10/04/2008, -11/+4FINALLY! Some anti-Palin posts around here. I was getting sick of Digg blatantly pushing anti-Obama and Biden threads to the front each and every day. For a second I thought Digg was whoring itself out and going against its basic premise of diverse articles showing all sides of all issues.
That post detailing Biden's 14 lies during the debate doesn't need to hit the front. MORE BLIND PALIN HATE PUHLEASE!
/Sarcasm of course. - Caseyshuffle, on 10/04/2008, -1/+11Has anyone noticed that Palin winks right before she is about to deflect and/or tell a lie
Check it out...
http://www.internetisfun.com/item.php?ownerid=44&p ... - raskali, on 10/04/2008, -1/+13If McCain and Palin win the election how will anything get done? They're all such gosh darn mavericks no one will be able to agree with anyone else. Or will they all start towing the line once they get elected?
- Caseyshuffle, on 10/04/2008, -1/+7Has anyone noticed that Palin winks right before she is about to deflect and/or tell a lie
Check it out...
http://www.internetisfun.com/item.php?ownerid=44&p ... - dethknite, on 10/04/2008, -19/+2
- JoeVet, on 10/04/2008, -0/+11You have to do better than that! We've seen and heard Palin. We laugh every time she opens her mouth. Suggesting she has anything over Obama other than winks to excite the little heads out there is just so sad. We pity you and your desperate attempts to make her look competent.
- RipleyIsDead, on 10/04/2008, -0/+7Some of us have seen the video too! It makes the GOP look like the biggest bunch of sociopaths, crooks and liars in the history of the world, who are totally unwilling to take their share of the blame (which is far from trivial) for yet ANOTHER banking meltdown.
Rational people FACT CHECK. The video is so full of "massaged" data and GOP vitriol, that it makes honest people want to puke. If people like you represent Palin's "base", then damn, Palin must be a scary, scary woman. I want her, and all insane, clownlike, liars, as far away from the Whitehouse as possible.
- untreadatom, on 10/04/2008, -1/+6The legislation is well-intended, and the desire to make a difference is noble, but mixing moral and political agendas at the expense of our citizens' financial security is not a good combination...She is so worried about the unborn fetuses of the world but when genocide is occurring it's more important to make money than end the killing!! WTF! Millions of internally displaced residents, squalid living conditions with hundreds of thousands in refugee camps, and a death toll of 400,000+ and rising! Darfur seems to be the only place in the world where you could justify military intervention but alas we just sell the bombs and anyone who gets killed is on their own.
- JoeVet, on 10/04/2008, -0/+7Investment in Sudan is just so lucrative that it would be unwise to have a moral standing. It is such a global economic powerhouse that investing our money there is more important than our principles. Who knew?
- HumanNouveau, on 10/04/2008, -0/+10Her memory seems to be limited to things she considers important. Couldn't remember meeting the UK Ambassador. Claimed to have met him because his name was on the list. This could be another of them. Something came up about it once. I really doubt that she gave much tought to the matter. Lots of things on the Governor's plate.
I rather expect that her prep team came up with the little factoid about Darfur while reaching to find Alaska involved in anything of international scope. It would have been reconstructed from shreds of memory, rather than from any actual details that she would have retained regarding a subject that I truly doubt she considered to be important.
To be fair, I also tend to be selective in what I remember. The difference is that I'll be honest about it. After all, I'm just a serf... er... ah... Joe Six Pack, I mean. - Dndlion, on 10/04/2008, -0/+13She's a liar. So is McCain. We knew this, but it sure is nice to see it in print and backed up by the facts. Maybe someday we'll see an article about something they said that wasn't a lie, and that will be big news!
- BlueDjinn, on 10/04/2008, -0/+4http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/BlueDjinn/n ...
- rexcrouch, on 10/04/2008, -0/+2I am making posters and sticker out of this.
- Arkons24, on 10/04/2008, -6/+3Funny how you never see ABC news refuting any of Obama's clearly incorrect claims ... such as the republicans and their doctrine of de-regulation being to blame for the current financial crisis.
- uncleosbert, on 10/05/2008, -1/+2that's because the republican doctrine of deregulation is to blame for the current financial crisis.
"Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time? There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly. Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm cochairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure."
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/fo ...- Arkons24, on 10/06/2008, -0/+1Total and complete lies. It is laughable where you fools get your information. Try reading a real information source. The deregulation you refer to did little more than allow for the merger of investment banks and commercial banks. It has actually lessened the current crisis by allowing for the purchase of aig and bear sterns. The real culprits of this economic crisis are democrats that have continued to push reckless policies that forced banks to make sub prime loans in the first place. In addition to allowing fannie and freddoe to securitze them to make sure the banks had no reason not to make bad loans. Try googling the community reinvestment act to get yourself started.
- uncleosbert, on 10/07/2008, -0/+1why don't you try googling the community reinvestment act? you'll find studies which prove that cra regulated entities were less likely to make these bad loans in the first place:
"A Traiger & Hinckley LLP study of 2006 mortgage loan data suggests that the Community Reinvestment Act, a federal law that requires banks to help serve the credit needs of their local communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, deterred banks from engaging in the kinds of risky lending practices that are provoking the foreclosure crisis."
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS13 ...
"The real culprits of this economic crisis are democrats that have continued to push reckless policies that forced banks to make sub prime loans in the first place"
were those democrats? this one seems to be a republican:
"In late 2006, as economists warned of an imminent housing market collapse, housing Secretary Alphonso Jackson repeatedly insisted that the mounting wave of mortgage failures was a short-term "correction." He pushed for legislation that would make it easier for federally backed lenders to make mortgage loans to risky borrowers who put less money down. He issued a rule that was criticized by law enforcement authorities because it could increase the difficulty of detecting and proving mortgage fraud."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/04/14/ ...
- uncleosbert, on 10/05/2008, -1/+2that's because the republican doctrine of deregulation is to blame for the current financial crisis.
- rsbryswrrl, on 10/04/2008, -0/+5So unsurprising...
- rexcrouch, on 10/04/2008, -0/+9Palin has been caught in multiple undisputable lies and refusing to cooperate with two investigations against her in Alaska is disturbing.
My real concern is that she calls herself a Christian. What Christian would vote for a person who has been found to lie and manipulate? - naturegrrrl, on 10/04/2008, -0/+9This was the only thing she said in the debate where I thought, wow, that is a really great achievment, and I didn't know that she'd done that. Not at all surprised to find out she made it all up. Where does she get off thinking she can keep lying to us, smiling into the camera, winking at us to disarm us. I thought lying was a sin according to Christians, or am I wrong on that?
Hooray for ABC actually following up on something. - jrndigg, on 10/04/2008, -0/+5SAY IT AINT SO SARAH!
PATHOLOGICAL LIAR! - TheRhinoceros, on 10/04/2008, -0/+5Sometimes I wonder why Politicians lie. But only sometimes. Most of the time it's obvious, like in this case. It's Hubris, plain and simple.
She thinks she can get away with it because she is SARAH PALIN: SOON TO BE VICE PRESIDENT.....except that with the amount of lies the McCain campaign is tossing around, She isn't gonna make it their.
Dugg.
And to ezla...The stuff you are speaking of is what happened after the initial bill was killed by the Palin Administration. Read the WHOLE story next time.
That's My two cents.- blckng, on 10/05/2008, -0/+2(or one pee and dropping)
- JoeMondo, on 10/04/2008, -0/+5Like almost all far right "Christians" Palin has no problem lying. They talk a lot about putting the 10 commandments in our schools, but they violate them freely - particularly the "no false witness" one.
- cheesegypsy, on 10/05/2008, -0/+4Republicans have rarely given a ***** about human rights. The only significant positive thing that W has done is expand AIDS work in Africa, and he was blasted by many in his party for this. Unfortunately he tied it to abstinence programs and handicapped the very program he was attempting to help.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/aug/30/usa.ai ...
So it's no big surprise that a Republican is wrong on a human rights issue. - Minnie75, on 10/05/2008, -0/+6I believe she is incapable of telling the truth. Cute yes; trustworthy - NO WAY.
- shiftclick, on 10/05/2008, -3/+3I think we should pull ALL foreign aid to countries that do nothing for the U.S. but suck our money. She was right on. Buried as inaccurate and as part of the Digg.com Obama suckfest. What ticket number are you?
- SiL3ncer, on 10/05/2008, -0/+5palin and mccain will keep lying till the day they die, those two clowns are truth challenged.
- Nightenglow, on 10/05/2008, -0/+4http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_di ...
The Twelve Lies Of Sarah Palin
- She has lied about the Bridge To Nowhere. She ran for office favoring it, wore a sweatshirt defending it, and only gave it up when the federal congress, Senator McCain in particular, went ballistic. She kept the money anyway and favors funding Don Young's Way, at twice the cost of the original bridge.
- She has lied about her firing of the town librarian and police chief of Wasilla, Alaska.
- She has lied about pressure on Alaska's public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law.
- She has lied about her previous statements on climate change.
- She has lied about Alaska's contribution to America's oil and gas production.
- She has lied about when she asked her daughters for their permission for her to run for vice-president.
- She has lied about the actual progress in constructing a natural gas pipeline from Alaska.
- She has lied about Obama's position on habeas corpus.
- She has lied about her alleged tolerance of homosexuality.
- She has lied about the use or non-use of a TelePrompter at the St Paul convention.
- She has lied about her alleged pay-cut as mayor of Wasilla.
- She has lied about what Alaska's state scientists concluded about the health of the polar bear population in Alaska.
You cannot trust a word she says. On anything." - gnocchi1442, on 10/05/2008, -1/+2It's this lie that finally proved to me that Sarah Palin is a full-on sociopath. She OPPOSED divestment in Sudan, yet she uses a genocide to score cheap political points. Lucky for us, she's also a *****-stupid sociopath, using transparent lies that can be easily debunked.
- 08soso, on 10/05/2008, -0/+3Another Palin-McCain lie. That seems to be about all their campaign is about. Of course, we should have known it was a lie, since she most likely couldn't have found Sudan on a map.
- nannyree, on 10/05/2008, -0/+2Please check videos out before digging as people are being false at times. Imagine comparing Senator Obama to Hitler Youth!
- akmk, on 10/05/2008, -0/+1Sarah Palin gave it her best shot, but Joe Biden scored a knockout.
The Economy and Taxes--Biden
Healthcare--Biden
Energy, the Environment and Global Warming--Biden
Connected with Main Street--Biden
Human Compassion--Biden
Foreign Policy--Biden
Got his Facts Right--Biden
Answered the Questions Asked--Biden
Women's Issues--Biden
Supreme Court Justice Appointments and Ideology--Biden
Role of the V.P. (Cheney's Interpretation Dangerous)--Biden
Supports his/her Running Mate--Biden
Closing Comments--Biden
Send Governor Palin back to Alaska and put the Obama/Biden team to work on economic recovery, a smarter and more diverse energy policy, and the ethics and transparency needed in government at the national level.
Alaska Constituent
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