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- GemStar38, on 09/05/2008, -0/+48Interesting perspective. As a mother of 2, I also wondered how she managed such a strenuous career with 5 kids but never think the same of male politicians. Tsk, tsk
- CommonDavid, on 11/11/2008, -1/+7It's only a double standard if the husband is a stay at home dad, like nearly all first ladies (stay at home mothers).
It's my understanding that Palin's hubby works for BP, and not a stay at home daddy? - stephhicks68, on 09/06/2008, -0/+4I am an attorney and have four children and a supportive husband. Like Palin, I get far more questions than my spouse does about "how I do it." We moved to a small town from a larger city for greater accessibility and less time commuting. Politics aside, I have been very frustrated at all the questions about Palin as VP since she is a mother, but Obama has young kids as well.
- CommonDavid, on 11/11/2008, -1/+7It's only a double standard if the husband is a stay at home dad, like nearly all first ladies (stay at home mothers).
- openthink, on 09/05/2008, -7/+32I think this really is an interesting piece. There are double standards. My only issue is, if somebody like Sarah Palin is going to "use" her "traditional" motherhood as part of her political ID (e.g., ultimate "hockey mom", etc) then it seems fair to me to at least question the legitimacy of that presentation if she (or anyone) is going to pursue a career that's going to have demands that aren't going to permit "traditional" mothering. I.e., if Palin's life & coming life don't reflect her political "presentation" of her life, then that seems fair to challenge. Having said that, though, I agree that just because a woman has lots of kids shouldn't cause her to be judged differently than if a man is in that position...
- diggFunction, on 09/05/2008, -5/+9I don't think she is doing that. It is her family and just like Obama she showed them to the world. The MSM are the ones that put them in the spot light and used them to promote their gains.
- openthink, on 09/05/2008, -1/+9I hear what you're saying. I think when I hear her -- or, if not her, others whom she's working with -- touting her as just a "regular" mom, like everybody else, and playing on the notion that she has all/many of the same issues that regular moms with kids have everywhere, there's a fine line being crossed or at least approached. Bottom line, though, I don't find her having kids a problem at all -- and have no problem with her or anyone (woman or man) figuring out ways to have them cared for like many working parents do.
- ncairns, on 09/06/2008, -4/+8That's crap. She brought her own family into the political discourse when she used her son's service in Iraq as a campaign prop. She doesn't get to feign indignation when the coverage is less favorable. For years the conservative mantra has been that liberal values are destroying the American family. Well, here we have an *extremely* conservative household with an underage, unwed, pregnant daughter. They want to bring their bigoted, insular, invasive policies into our homes - but we don't get to peer into theirs? *****.
- diggFunction, on 09/05/2008, -5/+9I don't think she is doing that. It is her family and just like Obama she showed them to the world. The MSM are the ones that put them in the spot light and used them to promote their gains.
- Tomboys, on 09/05/2008, -8/+30I don't think Pailin is "using" her "traditional" motherhood... I think she was jjust letting Americans know who she is.
- phnx0221, on 09/06/2008, -2/+2Only problem with that, is that nobody really knows who she is, all they know are anecdotes. They know that she's a pretty lady, who is a leader because she's the governor of Alaska. They think she said no to pork money for the bridge to nowhere, only that turned out to be not the case.
Personally, I don't really care about her family life, or anecdotes about her that sound nice. She's apparently very persuasive, and is a good leader, because she can easily convince people of her words and to follow them.
Problem is, she's got no substance. Okay, so Alaska is close to Russia. Great. I live in Arizona, with New Mexico right next to me. I know absolutely nothing about New Mexico. I know nothing about the town of Tombstone, even though it's in my state. Just because you live near somewhere, doesn't make you an expert on the subject.
On NPR yesterday, an NBC News Correspondent was talking about how the McCain campaign was keeping Sarah Pailin out of the media spotlight because she wasn't prepared for it. They didn't want her having to deal with a pop quiz from some reporter, asking her what the names of our foreign allies and enemies were, asking her about details of South Ossetia, South Africa, Venezuela, etc. The next week was going to be a cram fest for her very much like the contestants who go on Jeapordy.
They said this without a chuckle, without batting an eyelash. If someone running for Vice President has to face a cram fest like Jeopardy, just to be up to date on "what the vice president does", and up to date on current affairs throughout the world, than that clearly shows a dangerous choice for VP, one that was clearly politically motivated (as per her first speech about the 18 million cracks left by Hillary Clinton).
The media within a week, has gone from an incredulous what the hell? no one vetted her, are they serious? Is this another Harriet Miers?, to omg she's the greatest! she has strength and leadership skills because she's a parent! She was a governor! That's an executive decision making post, so she has experience now!
Personally, I think she, and McCain are both using disgruntled Hillary supporters, as well as people who want "change", as campaign tools. It doesn't matter who they pick, so long as they know they're stuff, and can take command should something happen to the president. But with an election this important, with this much deception already prevalent, it should be something that isn't skirted lightly by the rest of us.
- phnx0221, on 09/06/2008, -2/+2Only problem with that, is that nobody really knows who she is, all they know are anecdotes. They know that she's a pretty lady, who is a leader because she's the governor of Alaska. They think she said no to pork money for the bridge to nowhere, only that turned out to be not the case.
- weiwuwei, on 09/05/2008, -0/+32A revealing look at how we might judge working parents differently depending on if they are men or women.
- jcorn1, on 09/05/2008, -0/+21THis one had me thinking, for sure!
- AmyVernon, on 09/05/2008, -0/+27It's true, I hardly ever wonder about how many kids a male politician has. There is a double standard, and not only men practice it.
- jaggedwind, on 09/05/2008, -0/+13I've got a lot problems with Palin but her having kids isn't one of them. If a guy can have 7 kids & figure it out, a woman can too.
- elygirl, on 09/05/2008, -3/+14I agree with this completely. It's hard not to criticize some of her choices but I have to remind myself that what I really want to criticize are her political beliefs and that should be enough reason to work against her!
- zaibatsu, on 09/05/2008, -3/+14The number of children don't matter, when you're running for VP or really wealthy you don't have to worry about food, clothing and the basic stuff. Look at Brad and Angelina.
I just have 3 kids. A 20 year old step daughter with a 1 year old, I have a 4 month old and a 5 year old. Not to mention my mother who recently had open heart surgery and Alzhemiers. If I didn't have a ton of cash it would be a whole different story for me and my family.
So I think it's about the haves and the have nots- openthink, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1It's true, I think. An American VP (man or woman) is going to have or get the resources necessary to get her kids taken care of. Most other people aren't.
- CaptainNoPants, on 09/11/2008, -0/+1buried for using Brad and Angelina as an example of anything.
- explicitmemory, on 09/06/2008, -0/+9Being someone that does not have kids, I can't relate to parenthood. But, I definitely could see how difficult it would be to raise 5 children - politician or not. This was definitely a think piece for me and kudos to the author for going beyond politics.
- EatingPie, on 09/06/2008, -6/+15"So Sambo beat the bitch!" on the word of a waitress named Lucille, who has no last name, and of course cannot be verified or denied... rockets to the front page!
While this article, which actually has substance -- and is written by a self-proclaimed liberal -- crawls slowly into oblivion.
Truth, honesty, accuracy, have all become casualties on Digg.
-Pie- barktwiggs, on 09/06/2008, -2/+3Don't you know, the new Digg algorithm immediately promotes XKCD, makimaki/babyman BS, and anti-Palin stories. It's in the code!
- SantaClauz, on 09/06/2008, -5/+5Dugg for not being about Sarah Palin.
Wait... *****. - pjosemroy, on 09/06/2008, -1/+2One should definitely respect a woman who has given birth to even one child, Palin, of course, deserve more. In a democratic set up, as an ordinary citizen one would only think about how easier life has become under a certain leadership than the leader's personal life. Therefore, dragging gender and other reasons are immaterial from a governance point of view.
- Revovisionary, on 09/06/2008, -1/+3Who here knows how many kids Obama has?... Wait it doesn't work with him. I don't think you could really can use this as an example of sexism because she had even introduced herself as a "hokey mom." Her being a mother of 5 is part of the GOPs talking points to sell her as more connected to the average American.
- MyDogWontFight, on 09/06/2008, -0/+0Maybe she needed to keep her legs crossed.
- arjie, on 09/06/2008, -0/+5Well, that's pretty interesting article. But I don't think anyone asked about Hillary Clinton and her kids, and she was in the news much longer than Sarah Palin has been. Besides, who cares how many kids she has, that's all her business. Angela Merkel, who even wondered? Sonia Gandhi, who even cared? Michelle Bachelet, do we even know? Does this sexism exist anywhere?
I hate to tell you guys this because you hate any criticism, but American diggers don't seem to be making their choice of vote on a very intelligent basis. Nobody in the rest of the world really cares about how many kids the candidate has, because if they've got so far, they've obviously got other goals than just taking care of their kids. Who the hell gets elected vice-president and then decides to neglect office and take care of their children instead?! - XDingoX83, on 09/06/2008, -0/+3Why is this not on the front page yet?
- lostlyrics, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/04/palin-spea ...
- ZeroSum1975, on 09/06/2008, -0/+3Women can do pretty much anything and everything that a man can do just as well or even better. I think we have seen this now for a long time and most males would not disagree. But there are things that Women can do but Men cannot. One of them is nurturing the offspring that just came out of your body. The creator (whoever that is) seemed to have chosen women for this job. So you really can't criticize male politicians for working all the time if they happen to have a newborn with down syndrome. But you must take issue with a woman who is deciding to put that responsibility on the back burner so she can selfishly get her face in the public's eye more. This newborn needs her attention, it needs her love. The baby shouldn't be dragged around the country on a bus and being held all weirdly by her pregnant teenage daughter. She's a attention craving woman that seems to only care about herself and F anyone around her. Oh well. I'm not related to her or would ever be able to relate to her. But I sure as hell wouldn't think about voting for McCain with her as the VP Pick.
- lettuce55, on 09/06/2008, -0/+6she has kids, who knew
really, there are too many problems to worry about how many kids she has
- AchaIemoipas, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2This really made me think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUSElgJcyI
Skip to 2:10. - RealityDigg, on 09/06/2008, -3/+4I agree that she shouldnt be held accountable for whether the laundry is done or the kids are picked up after school, but she can't have it both ways. Either she is a mom (which she says and is said about her constantly) so she should be accountable. Or she is a cold as steel pit bull with lipstick. Which is it? The double standard only applies when you try to take credit for both. I agree she is the pit bull and is not responsible for her kids. By the way that makes her husband a bad stay at home dad since he is fishing or working for British Petrolium, snow machining or hunting moose most of is time. Maybe she should stand up at the next rally and say "I am a pit bull with lipstick and not to be held accountablefor my childrens whereabouts!"
Maybe she'll put the kids on eBay ....... they'll be in her way if she wins the election, hard to commute to Wasilla from DC ....- ouzome, on 09/06/2008, -0/+1You missed the whole point of the article, but nice bashing on Palin and her husband.
- kingofinternet, on 09/06/2008, -4/+7will a conservative apology for the 'terrorist' fist bump, obama hussein cracks, community organizer insults, etc., etc. be close behind?
fat chance- QuadZeroRoute, on 09/06/2008, -2/+3Never. Neither McCain or Palin made the remarks.
- Egoist, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1Seriously, an apology for "community organizer insults?"
What is wrong with liberals?
- Cfahooligan, on 09/06/2008, -4/+1One word for the author. Pimping. If Palin didn't want her family on the table, then she should stop parading and pimping them around as proof of her political stances.
If it was Barack Obama who's daughter got knocked up underage, this would be a media blitzkrieg. No one seemed to have any problem about going at Barack through his church. But now it's not okay to go at Plain who talks about how wonderful abstinence is and her very own daughter ended up underaged and pregnant.
There is a double stand that no one wants to look at it. Woman want to be considered equal yet when the heat comes down, they hide behind charges of sexism to cover for their scandals or inadequacies. She has a shoddy past and a weird dealings in her back round. She also has no one to blame but herself. She is corrupt, a proven liar, and about to be a proven adulterer. She is a shame to women and if women want to be strong they shouldn't help her nurse her wounds. She should stand up for herself and learn to take the hits for her own actions.- xman8, on 09/06/2008, -1/+2One word for you "ignorant".
- kingUssop, on 09/06/2008, -3/+1She self-describes herself as a "hockey mom." She talks about her kids. She talks about her infant. Don't be spoonfed spin here, she injected the "mom" thing from the beginning, and that in turn raises questions. If she's primarily dedicated to her kids, then how does she get the time to do her job? Or is she lying about the dedication and spending most of the time on the job while using the "hockey mom" stuff exploitivly? McCain camp is sending out gender wars BS here, beware of it.
- poprocksandsoda, on 09/06/2008, -1/+2This is the biggest pile of rubbish on Digg in a long time. So what you're saying is women can't work and have a family? Whoever posted this and wrote the article need to welcome themselves to the 21st century.
- openthink, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2did you read this article? it says the opposite. nice.
- openthink, on 09/06/2008, -0/+2Agree with CFhooligan, Palin, et al have been pimping the family. And if they do that, criticism and examining honestly what that family really is, and what kind of mother Palin really is, is totally fair game, especially if reality is different than the politically-presented package. But, that doesn't mean that having lots of kids -- as Palin has -- ought to be reason to suggest she can't do big jobs, like VP, etc., because she should or would need to take care of all the kids. That's the main point I think Author is making -- and she's making it from the POV that she, and some others, did have a knee jerk reaction to that fact alone.
If Palin & others are lying about the nature of the family and Palin's role and other aspects of Palin's life -- which I think they are to some extent -- I don't think Author is remotely excusing that. She's not even addressing it. In any case, to me that's something different &, as CFh says, that's fair game on all sides.- ouzome, on 09/06/2008, -0/+3You are completely wrong. Every politician shows off their family. Just because she admits one of her roles in life, as a wife and mother, doesn't mean you can slam her with mean spirited attacks about motherhood. Family is not fair game in politics, just ask your buddy Obama.
- redcolumbine, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
The author's got some valid points, but this sort of postfeminist self-flagellation destroys more than it accomplishes. - petsheep, on 09/06/2008, -2/+6Totally F****g amazing, with all the Palin Sucks front page articles out there this one, which is mildly considerate, with 366 diggs has not front paged
- ouzome, on 09/06/2008, -0/+5Thank you! Some liberal feminazi finally said what the rest of America (besides liberal Diggers) is thinking. Thank you.
- RealityDigg, on 09/08/2008, -0/+0No, i got the point of the article, i just didnt agree....
- Egoist, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1I did find it hilarious how it was the liberal "free thinking" crowd that lambasted her for not staying in the kitchen. Leave it up to the group who re-legalized racism (affirmative action) to have such closed minded ideas.
- km6847, on 10/15/2008, -0/+1Fake Palin on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/vpsarah
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