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Breaking News! : Hillary Clinton Required to Testify in Nove
tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com — To All Super Delegates! : This is very disturbing news!In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more...
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- GoodKharma, on 04/29/2008, -18/+217Digg it up so the MSM HAS to cover it!!!
- gsxrjason, on 04/29/2008, -5/+34Are you suggesting the MSM is intentionally not covering this?
/sarcasm- fkr3, on 04/29/2008, -9/+5I think he's suggesting the MSM gets their tip offs from digg lmfao.
If the MSM doesn't regurgitate a story as much as the retardosphere, or worse, doesn't bend over and accept their opinions as fact, then the MSM is censoring them.- hittnrun, on 04/29/2008, -12/+3The MSM proped up the great Obama for as long as it could. They are tired of doing all the heavy lifting. The Obamafest is over. You're on your own, rats.
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2hitnrun: You do realize that this could finally force Hillary to drop out of the race and will seriously effect superdelegates chioces. If this makes the MSM it will be GREAT news for Obama.
- hittnrun, on 04/29/2008, -6/+2Actually, testifying is not the same as being guilty of a crime. Maybe in your twisted world but most Americans will simply yawn. Afterall, these are the Clintons. The same Clintons you same losers proped up and made excuses for until the bar is so low, none of it matters anymore.
Obama is unelectable. - mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2I agree with one thing you said, the world is indeed twisted, but this does matter. Have you seen the trivial ***** that has been made into huge scandals this primary season?
Why do you think Obama is unelectable? - gsxrjason, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3With as much as they've been trying to rail on Obama over knowing Rezko? And your saying her having to TESTIFY doesn't merit coverage? LOL
- hittnrun, on 04/29/2008, -6/+2Actually, testifying is not the same as being guilty of a crime. Maybe in your twisted world but most Americans will simply yawn. Afterall, these are the Clintons. The same Clintons you same losers proped up and made excuses for until the bar is so low, none of it matters anymore.
- fkr3, on 04/29/2008, -9/+5I think he's suggesting the MSM gets their tip offs from digg lmfao.
- DivisibleByZero, on 04/29/2008, -3/+12The page is 404! The MSM must be hax0ring our tubes to keep the story suppressed!
What's with people who get all their news from Digg accusing the mainstream media of ignoring things? See the guy below's link to a 20/20 video....- DivisibleByZero, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2D'oh. It was only 404 because my greasemonkey plugin that replaces the word BREAKING with LAME on headlines is evidently broken and mangled the URL.
- ohthedaysofyore, on 04/29/2008, -2/+35Because the mainstream media checks Digg for any stories that they haven't covered yet...
- dsmx, on 04/29/2008, -1/+5If they don't then there missing an easy way of researching stories.
- FvckingFvck, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3You'd have to be stupid to think that new networks DON'T watch these types of sites.
- vypergts, on 04/29/2008, -0/+9Reporter: "Once again, we apologize but we cannot bring you the news. It appears we have no internet here at news 4. We will be happy to bring you up on current events just as soon as our internet is back."
Randy: "Jesus, it's state-wide."
- joshuajames, on 04/29/2008, -1/+9I think to get this in the MSM it needs to be vetted by a slightly better source before hand.
- ProfessorSYM, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7Good idea. Everything you need to know about the case can be found online at the website of the Los Angeles Superior Court:
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/CivilCaseSummary/in ...
Case Number: BC304174
Happy reading.
- ProfessorSYM, on 04/29/2008, -0/+7Good idea. Everything you need to know about the case can be found online at the website of the Los Angeles Superior Court:
- deanlowe, on 04/29/2008, -4/+2If there was any truth to this, Fox would be all over this like Drudge on Lewinsky. Speaking of Drudge, has he done anything on this yet?
- FvckingFvck, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Fox'll wait for her to take the Democratic nomination first.
- deanlowe, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1It's from 2001, did the RNC also want to wait 'til she got the presidential nomination to use it against her. 2006 wasn't the right election to use it, I guess. Too soon?
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Fox LOVES Hillary, McCain will fair much better against her than Obama.
- FvckingFvck, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Fox'll wait for her to take the Democratic nomination first.
- Cowboy1015, on 04/29/2008, -9/+1non sense.. buried
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6non sense.. buried
- Cowboy1015, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1non sense.. buried
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -1/+6non sense.. buried
- donjuan571, on 04/29/2008, -9/+3You guys are all douchebags for digging this story its all spin.
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3How is this spin?
- TonyLocNE, on 04/29/2008, -4/+6Are you that naive to think that Digg is a determining factor in what the MSM broadcasts? If such was the case, you would see Fox, CNN, MSNBC and all the others covering stories such as "The VERY BESTEST (REALLY) STUNNING PHOTOS OF CATS EVER! EVER!! DID I MENTION EVER!?!?!?!"
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Exposure surely is even if digg is not.
- iainc, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4That ought to take the shine of her "I'm more electable" veneer.
- enigmaneo, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3What does MSM mean?
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Main Stream Media
- enigmaneo, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Thanks
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Main Stream Media
- TheSwashbuckler, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1LOL!
Yeah, as if hitting the front page on Digg is going to make the MSM do anything! - Cami18, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2This is not spin. You can look up the court documents online for the state of California. I would like to see someone in the msm have guts to cover this story.
- homercles337, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6Im still waiting for the MSM to cover ***** they should have covered a LONG time ago. :|
- JK1150, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3yes, the mainstream media will be forced to cover whatever is on the frontpage of digg. they'll have no choice!
- TonyLocNE, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1/sarcasm
/please tell me you just forgot to put that in there...
- TonyLocNE, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1/sarcasm
- gsxrjason, on 04/29/2008, -5/+34Are you suggesting the MSM is intentionally not covering this?
- NameTry2468, on 04/29/2008, -5/+166Heh. What a ridiculous decision to make her wait til after November. If she committed a crime, she doesn't deserve special treatment. Then again, what does she need to testify for? All the proof you need is already on video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPxtv6kcn7s
- Futile, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Nice video! Bill was totally hitting up that guy's trophy wife at the party.
- goomba323, on 04/29/2008, -2/+7Wow....quote by Hillary "With being investigated and all that, why would I ever wanna do email? Can you imagine?"
Man....straight from the woman's mouth. This should DEFINITELY be bigger news than say, Rev. Wright or Ayers or Flag Pins. This is actually exposing Hillary's character while the Obama issues are merely exposing people who are connected to Obama. Hope this sinks her campaign. Dugg. - deanlowe, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/crooked_cl ...
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2That basically says, 'None of this has been proven yet'.
Well Duh. Its an ongoing court case she obviously hasn't been convicted of anything.- deanlowe, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1 It's basically a he said/she said case.
Who would a judge believe, a former US President and US Senator or a 3 time convicted felon?- qwerter, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1I reckon it hinges on the judge's political ambitions.
- deanlowe, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1 It's basically a he said/she said case.
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2That basically says, 'None of this has been proven yet'.
- samadcit, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1And here I was almost hoping to get rickroll'd
- blackinthmiddle, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Unfortunately, none of this matters. I was talking to my brother-in-law about this over the weekend.
There seem to be two camps. Those who vote for a candidate based on things like their character, qualifications and quantifiable things and people who vote "because she's a woman and I want to see a woman in the white house before I die!" We continue to bludgeon the people who vote for nonsense reasons by using logic and they're simply not logical. From the many forums I've gone on, people who are going to vote for Hillary couldn't give a damn if they found out she slaughtered 100 people!
Unfortunately, all you need to vote is to be a citizen and over 18. The educated person who actually keeps up with each candidate and knows their positions gets the same vote as the person who voted for dubya because, "He's a good old boy just like me!"- PhilLesh69, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Sad isn't it?
And every candidate in modern history understands what you just described.
Who do you think they see as the easiest group to get a vote out of?
- PhilLesh69, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Sad isn't it?
- pubman5001, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Is that Stan Lee in the 20/20 Youtube video?
- chiricom, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0YES!
- joeanon, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2The very fact they want to hold the court date in November should tell you this is BS.
It's wreaks of BS all the way from start to finish. A convenient crime, against people who were already rich, timed for the election.
How naive are you people in your desire for Obama to win ? - jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1READ STUPID!!
Hillary to testify AGAINST BILL !!!
She's being asked to testify AGAINST someone ELSE ! DERRRR!!!
This is posted by talkingpointsmemo about AN OLD CASE - basically that is a dispute whether she knew it was a fundraiser for HER or the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
OMFG are you Obama fans THAT RETARDED??!!!
- Futile, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Nice video! Bill was totally hitting up that guy's trophy wife at the party.
- kaoru777, on 04/29/2008, -8/+136Further evidence for the Clintons history of lies and corruption.
- 533n, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Please, can any American explain to me how she has so many votes. It must be these stupid feminists. Honestly, if you vote for someone based on their gender to reverse discrimination, you are discriminating, duh?
- joeanon, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3Well you nailed the problem right there.
People think an accusation and media story = Evidence.
Don't be so naive to bit the hook.
What is the statistical chance that this JUST SO HAPPENED to come up for the election and got set for November.
Pretty much no chance.. that is a coincidence.
Plus that about the rational. Bill Clinton who has been chased by the GOP for years... is going to rip some guy off for a couple million.
CMON
Bill Clinton gets paid tens of thousands of dollars just to speak to people.
Bill Clinton has been raising billion of dollars for various causes since his Presidency.
He isn't a total fool to blatantly steal from someone as President or during an election or when he can just make millions every year just speaking.
He would have to be retarded to do that.
And I think you'd have to be retarded to believe it after the media has fed you one lie after another while covering up domestic spying and support Pentagon planted pro war annalists.
Like they didn't think ... Hey wow it's a little odd everyone they send us is 100% for the war.
That so amazing.. I guess I'll not asking any questions about that.
Remember... innocent till proven guilty.
The real victim here is the Constitution and due process as the public gets scared and slanderous in it's witch hunt like mentality.
Yet the whole time you fail to blame the one party truly at fault..
Yourselves for being so naive and impressionable.- t3rmv3locity, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Peter Paul sums it up pretty well right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I
It seems pretty clear to me, Hillary Clinton was and is involved in an illegal fundraiser and a resulting smear campaign/coverup.
- t3rmv3locity, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Peter Paul sums it up pretty well right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I
- jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -4/+1Further evidence that Obmatards are the stupist creatures humanity has to offer.
Why not try READING through the entire article !!
- LKnight, on 04/29/2008, -3/+65Wow, if TPM has this right, or even close, the judge sounds like he's in the Clinton's pocket. What a bizarre ruling.
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -2/+16You can bet with hundreds of millions of foundation money that there is a lot of corrupt and undue influence that is being wielded behind the scenes by the Clinton hack machine.
- Reaper2806, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Is this really that suprising to anyone at all? I'll just spend the time to prepare myself for the sinking feeling when they get off the hook for it.
- kemp34, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1The Clinton-Bush crime team needs to be kicked out of America.
- JasonHears, on 04/29/2008, -5/+111So if this goes forward, and Hillary gets the nomination, she'll be caught up in legal cases BEFORE she even gets into the White House!! That's WAY better than Bill ever did. She IS ready on day one...to suck worse than Bill... So both Hillary and McCain are involved in illegal fund-raising activities at some level! And Obama has his mess with Rezko. But whereas Obama made a "bone-headed" move, that wasn't illegal but just looked bad, both Clinton and McCain are actually a party to illegal activity to benefit their political careers. Go fig...
- Takfam, on 04/29/2008, -0/+13In all fairness, during Bill's ordeal, he wasn't the one doing the sucking.
- dBass, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2"As far as I know".
- msjentay, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0Yeah, what if she is convicted? Can we have a nominee with a pending legal case? There should be a law or something!
- incredibilistic, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1I'm sorry but the whole Rezko thing sounds like a stretch. It seems like yet another insignificant relationship with someone that was a scumbag. Well, if every presidential hopeful had to list the amount of scumbags they've dealt with in the past decade we'd never have a president. I don't even understand how this questions his ability to run the country.
Versus this story where Hillary actually broke the law and worse yet is that this judge is allowing her involvement in the case to be delayed!? Come on! While the MSM continues to rake Obama over the coals on racial issues and Wright's theatrics, they're ignoring the CRIMES being committed by the Clinton's.
If this doesn't show up SOMEWHERE on the MSM radar I call B.S. - TexasJulie, on 05/01/2008, -0/+0Does this mean she'll be able to pardon herself?
- Takfam, on 04/29/2008, -0/+13In all fairness, during Bill's ordeal, he wasn't the one doing the sucking.
- DomesticDiva, on 04/29/2008, -4/+43Same ole' same ole' Clintons! Enough is Enough of the B/S!!!!!
- MarioWhereRu, on 04/29/2008, -55/+4Maybe when obama gets elected she can have sex with him in the white house
- climb, on 04/29/2008, -4/+9I have dugg down things for many reasons but this is probably one of the most deserving. Simply retarded. Your embarrassing digg.
- jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1It was a joke and stab at being revolting. And he succeeded!
It was sick and disturbing... but if you can't smirk at this at least a little, then you should look in the mirror and tell that person to stop being so dam serious!
- jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1It was a joke and stab at being revolting. And he succeeded!
- moat211, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5Your comment might be the dumbest thing I've read on this web site in awhile.
- Isandunk, on 04/29/2008, -3/+2Dugg for sheer stupidity
- jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Shivers and hides in a corner... I think that was offensive to Clinton, Obama, Mccain fans all alike !
- climb, on 04/29/2008, -4/+9I have dugg down things for many reasons but this is probably one of the most deserving. Simply retarded. Your embarrassing digg.
- GhostyBoy, on 04/29/2008, -8/+25HAHAHAHAHAHA They are lowly freakin' criminals!! But like the kind from those Home Alone movies that never get anything right and get their asses kicked by a 9-year-old!
- idreamwideyed, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1the wet bandits!
- Vzylexy, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1The sticky bandits!
- joeanon, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1Why do you even pretend to be interested in politics ?
- idreamwideyed, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1the wet bandits!
- Noodleson, on 04/29/2008, -13/+44what!? a corrupt politician? I am shocked. SHOCKED.
- Tenlow, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5Best laugh I've had all day.
- pigtown, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3I'm am shocked to discover this is gambling going on in this cafe!
Here are your winning sir.
Thank you.- B3N3, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Dugg for the Casablanca reference.
- kevin1987, on 04/29/2008, -4/+56Ugh, get this monster out of the race already....
- skcoder, on 04/29/2008, -13/+1Perhaps you should vote based on what the politicians' stances are on the issues that effect you, rather than their persona, charisma, or whatever. Name calling only turns politics into a popularity contest. Don't be superficial.
- Mothrog, on 04/29/2008, -2/+13Most people see committing fraud as a pretty big issue, idiot.
- Mejari, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1Generally I would agree, but when the candidate in question is engaging in illegal activities, I think that is a good example of their stance on 'Not breaking the law', which should be a pretty important issue.
- B3N3, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1"In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign..." Anyone else wonder at her New York campaign being financed by someone from Los Angeles?
- skcoder, on 04/29/2008, -13/+1Perhaps you should vote based on what the politicians' stances are on the issues that effect you, rather than their persona, charisma, or whatever. Name calling only turns politics into a popularity contest. Don't be superficial.
- lpxxfaintxx2, on 04/29/2008, -7/+78Why the ***** is this not in the mainstream media yet?
- Mothrog, on 04/29/2008, -7/+4The same reason the MSM never let people know that Clinton was convicted of war crimes... The MSM has a royal hard on for the Clintons.
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Link?
- Mothrog, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/936032.stm
- Mothrog, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1More fun reading
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthing ...- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1This may be true ( I have no idea) but those two articles conflict on some very key points. You should also clarify that he was convicted by a court in Belgrade, and not an unbiased, international court.
- mxmj, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Link?
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -1/+5The media has not been a fair ref in decades, and you know what? So what? This is the first election year where there has been any sort of democratization of the media, through vehicles such as Digg. It is up to us to state our case openly, and to trust that most of our fellow Americans rise to the occasion. So Digg it up. It may seem to be a small thing that we do, but it is important that we do it.
- aajjcckk, on 04/29/2008, -3/+2BECAUSE, people, the Clintons and McCain are ultimately puppets of the military industrial complex, that also, ultimately (whether it appears so or not) own your media, and are in cahoots with the intelligence community and the CIA has had assets controlling stories in all major media for years.
That is why this is not in the mainstream media yet, and I will be surprised if it ever is, in an unbiased form... - jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -0/+2Because the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD IS A ***** CONSPIRACY!!!
That or this story is old, beaten to death, very unfounded, and not newsworthy to people that have at least half a brain. Take your pick !
- Mothrog, on 04/29/2008, -7/+4The same reason the MSM never let people know that Clinton was convicted of war crimes... The MSM has a royal hard on for the Clintons.
- inobla, on 04/29/2008, -5/+49Vote NO on Billary!!
- schreinon, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0hey, I want THAT t-shirt. I like it!! "Vote NO to Billary" YES
I WILL!
- schreinon, on 04/30/2008, -0/+0hey, I want THAT t-shirt. I like it!! "Vote NO to Billary" YES
- fr0ng, on 04/29/2008, -3/+74I really hope this blows up.
- pintomp3, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8the corporate media isn't done replaying clips of rev. wright yet.
- vette58, on 05/04/2008, -0/+0They've know about this story for months, but I would have thought after the April 25th decision that they would have at least asked her the questions. Makes you wonder!!! I thought they just didn't have anything more interesting to talk about other than Wright, but with this story I'm starting to believe some of those far fetched "conspiracy" theories my husband told me are just plain craze... I wonder!!!!!
- pintomp3, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8the corporate media isn't done replaying clips of rev. wright yet.
- coffee200am, on 04/29/2008, -5/+35She should be put into prison...and her husband too!
- happyhacker09, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0But would he be allowed access to interns still?
- texpundit, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Nah. I say put them in the same cell and let them scream blame at (and possibly kill) each other.
Two men enter...one man leave. (pun intended)
- texpundit, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Nah. I say put them in the same cell and let them scream blame at (and possibly kill) each other.
- happyhacker09, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0But would he be allowed access to interns still?
- dsenman, on 04/29/2008, -7/+46Yeah because the Super Delegates are reading Digg...
- Caalro, on 04/29/2008, -2/+103 are college students.
It was on Digg. - ByteGuerilla, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1What makes you think they're in a demographic that wouldn't read digg? Digg is read by such a huge range of people. Spot poll, right now, reply to this comment with the decade in which you were born and what line of work you're in. My wager is that we get a huge variety of answers.
I'll kick us off: 1980s, University Student graduating this year.- damnitdaniel, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1...underwhelming response
- jabberwolf, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1And the Tom Slick crowd goes "yyaaayyy....."
- dBass, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2If the remaining "uncommitted" supers don't already know about this case, they really aren't so super after all. My hamster is aware of this *****.
- danielcmetz, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I'm a super delegate.
I've already pledged my vote for Ron Paul, though.
- Caalro, on 04/29/2008, -2/+103 are college students.
- supertaliman, on 04/29/2008, -9/+18With our powers combined...we can end this *****!! Go DIGGERS!!!
- falese, on 04/29/2008, -3/+7with the power of grayskull, i summon DIGGERS
lamer - N1tro, on 04/29/2008, -3/+8Then ron paul would be president... or maybe steve jobs
- Mejari, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4and kevin rose would be the VP
- Wacer, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Kevin would not be old enough to assume presidency in the case of the pres dying etc.
- sargentcrackers, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1By the next election he will.
- Wacer, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Kevin would not be old enough to assume presidency in the case of the pres dying etc.
- tattertech, on 04/29/2008, -2/+4If it was steve jobs at least we'd be trendy and cool again. I mean..... just as useless, but we'd look spiffier.
- Mejari, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4and kevin rose would be the VP
- RRJackson, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1Oh wait, you said, 'Diggers"...nevermind.
- Vzylexy, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I thought you were going to go into the whole Captain Planet speech, boo!
- falese, on 04/29/2008, -3/+7with the power of grayskull, i summon DIGGERS
- eminiguy, on 04/29/2008, -7/+25MSM have know this for many months. That's nothing new, but still woth digging it up!
- Twan2649, on 04/29/2008, -14/+16The Obaminator will win.
- iNONYMOUS, on 04/29/2008, -27/+10Yeah!!! F Hillary, Go Obama!!! Smoke Pot! No War!!! Bush Sucks!!! I love the iPhone!!!!
- dyous87, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3You almost sounded like a digger for a moment. wow had me fooled :P
- MrTito, on 04/29/2008, -2/+8***** the RIAA!
- Diderotten, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Yeah! Diggers are ***** sheep!...wait
- paulmer2003, on 04/29/2008, -3/+4Ron Paul /b/.
- OrbitalFX, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3America Wins!
- pelayostyle, on 04/29/2008, -10/+12How can we get this into the MSM asap ?
- awianch, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1They know, the MSM is there to protect the clintons. Just like the protect the current crook in the whitehouse.
- coffee200am, on 04/29/2008, -14/+25IMPEACH CLINTON....
- fuzzybeard, on 04/29/2008, -4/+3Dude, she's gotta be in office first. Either you're a real dillhole; or you're so freakin' brilliant Machiavelli could stand to take lessons from you.
- WildTurkey00, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Whoosh!
LOL Kiddo. Way to be "freakin" dumb.- fuzzybeard, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Eh, sometimes they get past me. I'll post why I was thinking that in the previous post later; after 0100 US CDT.
- fuzzybeard, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1OK, as promised:
Case for dillhole: Is still gnawing on the bone that was Mr. President Clinton's downfall, or wants judicial proceedings started now on Senator Clinton.
Case for Machiavellian (albeit ham-handed) brilliance: Presenting the statement in the manner of a fait accompli.
- WildTurkey00, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Whoosh!
- fuzzybeard, on 04/29/2008, -4/+3Dude, she's gotta be in office first. Either you're a real dillhole; or you're so freakin' brilliant Machiavelli could stand to take lessons from you.
- shyboy2008, on 04/29/2008, -38/+7In other news, Obama vows to tear down the Statue of Liberty and replace it with a statue of Aunt Jemima
- cheezintern, on 04/29/2008, -2/+8I'm all for maple syrup, but you sir are an idiot.
- brownrecluse888, on 04/29/2008, -21/+4BREAKING NEWS: Dems loose the General election AGAIN!!!
Why this time? No swift boats no I intevented the internets but a divided democratic party more worried about seeking out the personal defects of clinton and obama(because their political views are EXACTYLY the same) then focusing on why both Obama and Clinton would make a better POTUS then McCain...
Jebus you Digg dorks are dumb *****......get ready for 3 in a row...what's worse is that you'll blame it on the media, florida, and now Candad!!- falese, on 04/29/2008, -2/+3YES Damn you Candad. He struck again. CANDAD!!!!!!
- fletcherrr, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Canmom?
- dinot, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Canohmnomnomnom?
- fletcherrr, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Canmom?
- mrfunktastic, on 04/29/2008, -1/+5Dude's got a point. White male money and power are silently sitting on the sidelines, prepping McCain to occupy the throne, while the folks with a conscience shoot themselves in the foot yet again over a Gore/Nader type choice.
For ***** SAKE, throw one of these bitches under the bus so we can get the warcons out of power, STAT.
- falese, on 04/29/2008, -2/+3YES Damn you Candad. He struck again. CANDAD!!!!!!
- pattyman5000, on 04/29/2008, -3/+17How can this be expedited? November is WAY too far away.
- dyous87, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Build a time machine?
- mbraynard, on 04/29/2008, -19/+4I wonder if the reaction will be as celebratory here as when Hussein gets called to testify in Tony Rezko's trial. You know, the guy with whom Hussein himself claims he got into a 'bone-headed' land deal with as Rezko subsidized the purchase of a home he couldn't afford?
- twiztidsinz, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4Who's this Hussein you speak of?
- Mejari, on 04/29/2008, -1/+4Difference: Boneheaded != ILLEGAL
One calls for a smack upside the head while saying "What were you thinking", the other calls for woman-rape in a federal penitentiary from a 300 pound lady named Olga.- mbraynard, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2What made it boneheaded?
- theviceroy, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Not checking to make sure if Rezko was engaged in criminal activities, I guess...
- mbraynard, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2What made it boneheaded?
- mrfunktastic, on 04/29/2008, -3/+5WHAT WHAT IN THE BUTT
- diagonalfish, on 04/29/2008, -0/+6Wow! Using his middle name sure makes you sound really cool and mature and not at all like a right-wing fearmongering idiot. Well done!
- mbraynard, on 04/29/2008, -6/+1I'll let you in on a little something. The only reason we use it is because it is fun to watch how badly it pisses you guys off because you THINK we are fearmongering. We really don't care what his middle name is - his name could be George Washington and we'd still rip him for being a niave socialist.
- Wintermute426, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5Or maybe because, while letting Limbaugh and his ilk spoon-feed you your opinion is easy, regurgitating those opinions is not, so you take the easy way out?
- mbraynard, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1Took the easy way out? What are you talking about?
Maybe if you got away from your small circle jerk of left wingers and actually spent some time interacting with conservatives, you might understand that we aren't the echo chamber you expect.
People who love Rush when the find him don't need to be told what to think; their initial reaction (and mine was at age 13) is 'this guy thinks just like me, and he's on the radio.'
You know, kind of like when you discovered Sponge Bob.
- mbraynard, on 04/30/2008, -1/+1Took the easy way out? What are you talking about?
- Wintermute426, on 04/29/2008, -0/+5Or maybe because, while letting Limbaugh and his ilk spoon-feed you your opinion is easy, regurgitating those opinions is not, so you take the easy way out?
- mbraynard, on 04/29/2008, -6/+1I'll let you in on a little something. The only reason we use it is because it is fun to watch how badly it pisses you guys off because you THINK we are fearmongering. We really don't care what his middle name is - his name could be George Washington and we'd still rip him for being a niave socialist.
- dinot, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4LOL, are you 15 or something? Leave politics to the grown ups.
- aznromeo4u, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1You must be 12
- mal1964, on 04/29/2008, -10/+2How come no one is asking about her smoking crack and receiving oral sex?
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Because the matters of the civil action now pending in the Central District of the Los Angeles Coiunty Superior Court are matters of documented public record, and those wild tabloid accusations are not.
- mal1964, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1So why cant she say the same thing you did?
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Because the matters of the civil action now pending in the Central District of the Los Angeles Coiunty Superior Court are matters of documented public record, and those wild tabloid accusations are not.
- bbqsalad, on 04/29/2008, -31/+31!!!!!!!!!!!! ALERT !!!!!!!!!!! FIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!! ALERT !!!!!!!!!
ANTI HILLARY MUST DIGG OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- mal1964, on 04/29/2008, -12/+6I'll receive gay oral sex and smoke crack to that!
- bbqsalad, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Ah! a republican is among us!
- mal1964, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1I'm not one, but yes they're among us and that's OK.
- bbqsalad, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Ah! a republican is among us!
- mal1964, on 04/29/2008, -12/+6I'll receive gay oral sex and smoke crack to that!
- bingobongony, on 04/29/2008, -20/+14Here on Digg...if the mob doesn't like you, then "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply!
If you are an evil dictator or terrorist, however, it does.- MikeSD34, on 04/29/2008, -5/+4I won't say if they're guilty or not, that's the courts job, but she shouldn't get preferential treatment because she's applying for a job. I wouldn't be able to get out of a subpoena if I had an appointment for a job interview, and neither should she. This is the kind of thing that has to be cleared up BEFORE you put someone in office is the leader of a country, not after.
- bingobongony, on 04/29/2008, -5/+2And you have PROOF that this is preferential treatment, do you? Or do you just not understand how slow the judicial system works and automatically want to assume a scenario that you can whine like a bitch about?
Also, you are not even correct about your bitching. she is not charged with anything. Giving her bad publicity would be unfair. Again...unless you feel innocent until proven guilty does not apply to Hillary...just like you and other Diggers think it doesn't apply to people like cops accused of wrongdoing, or rich heads of companies, etc.- MikeSD34, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2If she's not being charged with anything then she has nothing to hide, and innocent or guilty until proven doesn't apply at all. You can be subpoenaed to appear in court without having to be a defendant.
- bingobongony, on 04/29/2008, -5/+2And you have PROOF that this is preferential treatment, do you? Or do you just not understand how slow the judicial system works and automatically want to assume a scenario that you can whine like a bitch about?
- Wartyboskfapped, on 04/29/2008, -6/+6Stop bringing Bush into everything.
- kholburn, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Yeah it makes all the other politicians look so honest. It makes anything they do so piss poor and utterly insignificant compared to what he's done.
- eternal464, on 04/29/2008, -3/+5SO accurate. The scum of the earth get praised up and down for fighting police officers on a nearly daily basis.
- ByteGuerilla, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Could have sworn you said evil doctor =/
- Anonchrist, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1Well, under our fair treatment of evil dictator's clause Hillary will get fair treatment if she is elected
- MikeSD34, on 04/29/2008, -5/+4I won't say if they're guilty or not, that's the courts job, but she shouldn't get preferential treatment because she's applying for a job. I wouldn't be able to get out of a subpoena if I had an appointment for a job interview, and neither should she. This is the kind of thing that has to be cleared up BEFORE you put someone in office is the leader of a country, not after.
- bnasteeee, on 04/29/2008, -14/+1this is irrelevant
also, im for obama...
she probably doesnt have to testify because hmm... maybe she's got a presidential race to try and win?
but still, key word: try- dyous87, on 04/29/2008, -1/+5wait, so basically, if i was running for some type of position and I committed a crime I wouldn't have to testily in court, I ca use the excuse "That will have to wait I am busy now"? Sweet loophole!
- Wacer, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1It has always been that way. The more prestigious or higher in power that a person is will get a little leeway. I have seen it many court cases.
- Diderotten, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Rule of law?
- pagno, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Try or not, theres no excuse for that ruling. Presidential Nomination is about the best reason, I can imagine, for her to testify. No. Something isnt right.
- Wacer, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1The ruling is what it is. I am more interested in how the MSM handles this.
- dyous87, on 04/29/2008, -1/+5wait, so basically, if i was running for some type of position and I committed a crime I wouldn't have to testily in court, I ca use the excuse "That will have to wait I am busy now"? Sweet loophole!
- BlueStarr, on 04/29/2008, -4/+9I was waiting to see when this would pop up. I can't believe the ***** over Stan Lee! That bitch needs to burn!
- KillaJazzBass, on 04/29/2008, -6/+8EP1C HILLTURBULATION
- thirdcoastborn, on 04/29/2008, -7/+2hillary loves to suck
- idreamwideyed, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2no she doesnt. if she did, we wouldnt have had to deal with the whole Monica Situation.
- AzMegladon, on 04/29/2008, -6/+14This Clinton family needs a reality show. They encompass everything that current reality shows can only hope for.
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2Carl Bernstein, who, along with Bob Woodward, broke the story of the Watergate break-in and consequently helped bring about the resignation of United States President Richard Nixon recently wrote about the Clintons: "high-minded ideals, lowered execution, half truths, outright lies (and imaginary flights), take-no prisoners politics, some very good policy ideas, a presidential spouse given to wallowing in anger and self-pity, and a succession of aides and surrogates pushed under the bus when things don't go right. Which is to say, often. And endless psychodrama: the essential Clintonian experience that mesmerizes the press, confuses the citizenry, confounds members of both parties in Congress (not to mention the Clintons themselves, at times) and pretty much keeps the rest of the world constantly amused and fixated.. . .I'm not sure I want the circus back in town...That is what the Hillary for President campaign has become: the whole Clinton three-ring circus, with little evidence that moving back to the White House will alter that most basic fact."
- joshuajames, on 04/29/2008, -4/+14If this is indeed reality and not a stretch or a bit of misreporting, I think people should send a tip to the Huffington Post to look into it. I imagine they'd pick it up and report on it before MSM and then the rest would follow.
- maryhelena, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5Yea I agree with this, Huffington Post seems to be the best stepping stone to the MSM now a days.
- vette58, on 05/04/2008, -0/+0Actually, this story has been out for some time and not even the bloggers seem to want to take it on. Makes you wonder!!! I think the American people deserve to know and at least have a discussion about it. Shouldn't Hillary be vetted also?
- maryhelena, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5Yea I agree with this, Huffington Post seems to be the best stepping stone to the MSM now a days.
- winnestow, on 04/29/2008, -26/+6Barack Hussein Obama quote from AUDACITY OF HOPE… “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Question: Do you supporters know who you are aligning yourselves with?
- dsenman, on 04/29/2008, -3/+11God you're a moron. Jews, Muslims, Christians - race does not define a person. Even if he was a Muslim, why should anyone care? Do people like you have any clue how ignorant and racist you are? Jesus.
- majortom1981, on 04/29/2008, -12/+0You shouldnt talk either considering you just used god and jesus in your comments
- dsenman, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4and your point is...?
- VaporBro, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3Once I found Jesus in a tortilla...then I ate Jesus.
- d722002, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5God you're a moron. Jews, Muslims, and Christians are not races, they're religions.
- mrfunktastic, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2I appreciate the peaceful sentiment of your comment, but - damn dude, "Jew" is not a race, "Muslim" is not a race, and "Christian" is not a race.
- majortom1981, on 04/29/2008, -12/+0You shouldnt talk either considering you just used god and jesus in your comments
- Nidy1, on 04/29/2008, -1/+10The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Yes, I know who I am aligning myself with. Someone who won't start falsely imprisoning people based on their race or religion just because some people who share the same race or religion did something terrible. - headzoo, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2Gee, I can take someone's words out of context too:
Winnestow backs Barack Obama, and said Obama "supporters know who" they're dealing with. - metaliq, on 04/29/2008, -2/+5So Muslims are bad?
You're an idiot.
- dsenman, on 04/29/2008, -3/+11God you're a moron. Jews, Muslims, Christians - race does not define a person. Even if he was a Muslim, why should anyone care? Do people like you have any clue how ignorant and racist you are? Jesus.
- OSuX, on 04/29/2008, -8/+24HILLARY! This is it! This is the answer. It says here... that a bolt of lightning is going to strike the clock tower at precisely 10:04pm, next Saturday night! If we can somehow... *harness* this lightning... *channel* it... into the flux capacitor... it just might work. Next Saturday night, we're sending you back to the KITCHEN!
- ultimathule, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Digg this man up.
- fuzzybeard, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Won't work. Hillary's not nearly cool enough to drive a DeLorean.
- headzoo, on 04/29/2008, -6/+12I admire Obama's stance of not constantly attacking Hillary the way she attacks him, but I think he really should bring this to everyone's attention.
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -1/+5Sen. Obama is the real deal. He lives and acts according to his values. Mrs. Clinton might be wise to note that an ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching.
- hwood, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2I don't think he should bring it up, but he should keep it in his pocket, to use when she attacks him.
- londubh, on 04/29/2008, -9/+6It's a friggin' blog entry. It doesn't even cite sources. I googled and found some corroborating information. Alas, this isn't the story it needs to be. She's toast no doubt about it, but this isn't enough to do it. Darn!
- davidnormal, on 04/29/2008, -1/+3The links lead to "sources".
- mal1964, on 04/29/2008, -7/+2Hey are you thinking this might be the straw that broke the camels back?, Then its time to celebrate.
Oral Sex and Crack for everybody! - drfluffer, on 04/29/2008, -13/+6Obamabots are getting nervous because Obama is losing.
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Losing? Let me see here. Clinton's PA primary victory gave her campaign enough gas to keep from collapsing but without diminishing Barack Obama's chances of ultimately capturing the Democratic presidential nomination. And Clinton needed -- oh -- just a landslide of more than 20 points to actually change the shape of the race, which she didn't get. And Obama's team expects to recoup any loss of delegates in PA with the results in North Carolina and Indiana. Six contests will remain after that and the chances of Clinton's winning enough of the remaining delegates to overtake Obama appears out of the question. So -- this is really a new definition of losing I hadn’t heard of before. Are you sure you meant losing? Do you really think the Clinton campaign and its supporters have so thoroughly fatigued and harrangued with Wright that we now wonder whether Obama is "electable" ---based on the arguments of someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton who should be the very last person making electability arguments—someone who -- like, last time I checked -- someone who is actually losing? Listen, if we Obama supporters didn't think Sen. Obama couldn't handle this and worse, we'd have abandoned him long ago. But he can and will. And we march forward 14 million strong. To winning this election.
- hittnrun, on 04/29/2008, -2/+1He might still win the Dim nomination because you people are crazy, but he will NEVER be able to win the Main Event. Too many Americans who aren't on the Koolaid.
- dinot, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Typical Clinton supporter mentality. Winning is the new losing. Less is the new more. Good is the new bad. White is the new black. Vagina is the new penis.
- tcbishop12, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Losing? Let me see here. Clinton's PA primary victory gave her campaign enough gas to keep from collapsing but without diminishing Barack Obama's chances of ultimately capturing the Democratic presidential nomination. And Clinton needed -- oh -- just a landslide of more than 20 points to actually change the shape of the race, which she didn't get. And Obama's team expects to recoup any loss of delegates in PA with the results in North Carolina and Indiana. Six contests will remain after that and the chances of Clinton's winning enough of the remaining delegates to overtake Obama appears out of the question. So -- this is really a new definition of losing I hadn’t heard of before. Are you sure you meant losing? Do you really think the Clinton campaign and its supporters have so thoroughly fatigued and harrangued with Wright that we now wonder whether Obama is "electable" ---based on the arguments of someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton who should be the very last person making electability arguments—someone who -- like, last time I checked -- someone who is actually losing? Listen, if we Obama supporters didn't think Sen. Obama couldn't handle this and worse, we'd have abandoned him long ago. But he can and will. And we march forward 14 million strong. To winning this election.
- RadiatedAnt, on 04/29/2008, -2/+2He did it for the lulz, obviously
- StrykeBlade, on 04/29/2008, -7/+2The timer begins towards the Obama presidency.......24 STYLE!!!! :D - Obama08!
beep - 10 - BEEP - 9 - beep - 8 - BEEP - 7- ByteGuerilla, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1All I can say is Obama better pick a Mexican vice-president so no one attempts to assassinate him. Jack Bauer's not here to save the day.
- idreamwideyed, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1"you can shoot me if you want, but he's just gonna open the borders up. you might as well leave me and vice president santiago to our own devices" -dave chapelle.
- ByteGuerilla, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1All I can say is Obama better pick a Mexican vice-president so no one attempts to assassinate him. Jack Bauer's not here to save the day.
- WikiEasy, on 04/29/2008, -14/+6More anti-Clinton SPAM
- dinot, on 04/29/2008, -1/+2SPAM? It's in the ***** news. Or maybe you don't think an article like this is news-worthy and we should go back to pictures of illiterate cats, semi-naked chicks, famous has-beens, and various other important non-issues in this race to nominate a ***** PRESIDENT.
- smeenz, on 04/29/2008, -2/+17Wonder if she'll mis-speak in court ?
- dmark77, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Only if she is tired and snipers show up.
The former first lady was always the 3am'er after-party type.
- dmark77, on 04/29/2008, -0/+4Only if she is tired and snipers show up.
- TheInformer, on 04/29/2008, -8/+3Digg template story.
- faizal5k, on 04/29/2008, -9/+7Huck Fillary
- fani, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1***** Hillary.
There, fixed it for ya
- fani, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1***** Hillary.
- Razormane11, on 04/29/2008, -2/+25Since the beginning of this entire nomination process I really wasn't sure which candidate I was gonna vote for. I mean I was pretty sure it would be a democrat as George Bush has pretty much wreaked havoc on this country and abroad. And all the republicans (save for Ron Paul) are talking about is nothing but following Bush's policies.
But to be honest I don't think I could look at myself in a mirror if I cast a vote for Hillary. Every day her lies/deceits and twisting of the facts of her record just shows what kind of true character she has. I mean just go back and look over the entire process, it really makes me want to shed a tear, I really thought the Clinton's had more integrity than what they have shown.- fuzzybeard, on 04/29/2008, -0/+2It's always sad to see your heroes as less than what you built them up to be. I too, was idealistic at one time; when my innocence was lost, I mourned it too.
- snotrokit, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3I just don't get how her supporters can look past all of this. It kils me. Policy for policy, she is really not a bad choice, personally and professionally, she is a nasty, evil, corrupt, and dishonest as they come.
- Anonchrist, on 04/29/2008, -0/+3Not Hillary, she is a Christian with experience. You can not fool me, because I watch commercials.
- joeanon, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1Oh please... you don't even have the FAINTEST clue if she is guilty and here you are writting her epitaph.
Can't you people have the SLIGHTEST respect or understanding of the Constitution and due process and innocent till proven guilty.
Here you are railroading Hilary while Bush merrily presides over you.
WTF is wrong with you people.
It's media BS... Remember Whitewater..... guess what... It's was BS. Remember the GREAT EVIL BLOW JOB incident.
WHO CARES... no America... Bill Clinton stepped out with a 65% approval rating. That's the HIGHEST since World War 2.
You have to WIN A GOD DAMN WORLD WAR to have a higher approval rating at the end of your Presidency than Bill Clinton...
AND that's with an impeachment and FULL MEDIA CIRCUS around you the entire last year of your Presidency.
Very convenient now.. you want to jump to conclusions.
But when Bush is torturing people... you guys are running around buying support the troops ribbons.
There is obviously a Clinton witch hunt going on... and more or less has been since the end of Bill's Presidency.
Once reason is he is the ONLY PRESIDENT in modern history to MAKE MONEY. He has the LONGEST period of economic expansion in US history under him. All the economic stats were good during Clinton.
That scares the ***** out of the GOP and the media stations their supports OWN. You know... those same 4 parent companies that control 80% of US media. Maybe that have something to do with all these sensational reports we are getting against the dems.
JUST MAYBE..... the GOP and the media have been working together to get the Clinton's out of politics since OH I dunno... they got into office.
How can you Digg against ABC slander one day.. and then mindlessly buy into guilty until proven innocent.. conveniently popping up as Hilary won PA.
You people are so scared and pathetic.. totally naive pussies who would rather waive your constitutional rights than go through the displeasure of thinking for yourselves.
Well all this thinking for myself has worn me out.. I need a sedative, but I have none. So, I'll just watch cable news until I'm comfortably numb.
You can't doubt the media ONLY when it's convenient to your personal agenda or ELSE... the media ... uses your personal agenda to MAKE news and ratings.
Why am I the only one who sees this ?
I tell you people.. ***** YOU ALL... I'm moving to Canada. This country is a joke, even in the face of a 50% dollar decline... you're not changing your ways at all.
That's show the people are so out of touch with reality... you're not really worth being my fellow citizens. I can reap all the benefits of America and not have to be a citizen of the pro torture, redneck, anti evolution nation.
And most of you are dumb enough to be.. YEE HAW... we don't need you. Yea right,, just like you don't need oil alternatives or science.. or free press. You keep on consolidating the media and then believing it when it's convenient to your point of view and see where that gets you.
MORE OF THE SAME...
Maybe even John McSame - msjentay, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0I think a lot of people felt the same way. I personally thought Hillary was a brilliant woman and had no idea what people had been talking about for years and didn't understand why her negatives were so high. I guess I wasn't paying attention. It didn't take long after this campaign began that I saw what everyone else had known for years. The Clintons are ruthless. I still think they're two accomplished politicians but come with so many flaws. Americans deserve much better. Now I'm starting to think that maybe they weren't so brilliant after all in anything other than strong-arming people. Lots of people get ahead that way...
- DEIx15x8, on 04/29/2008, -10/+1The Clinton's are just different, they aren't deficient. If they had been black they would think completely different and have to be kept separate from everyone else because they aren't the same.
- RRJackson, on 04/29/2008, -14/+4Bye-bye, Obama.
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Still More Lamentations From Jeremiah
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, April 29, 2008; Page A03
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, explaining why he had waited so long before breaking his silence about his incendiary sermons, offered a paraphrase from Proverbs yesterday: "It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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Barack Obama's former pastor should have stuck with the wisdom of the prophets.
Instead, Wright has gone on a media tour, climaxing with his appearance yesterday morning at the National Press Club. There, he reignited a controversy about race that Obama had only recently extinguished -- and added lighter fuel.
From the moment he entered the room, Wright seemed to be looking to stir controversy; he was escorted by Jamil Muhammad, a leader of the Nation of Islam, which contributed to the minister's prominent security detail. Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz and Nation of Islam protocol director Claudette Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his belief that the government created AIDS to extinguish racial minorities, and stood by his suggestion that "God damn America."
Far from softening his provocative words, he held himself out as a spokesman for millions of churchgoing African Americans. "This is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright," he argued. "It is an attack on the black church launched by people who know nothing about the African American religious tradition." He added: "If you think I'm going to let you talk about my mama and her religious tradition . . . you got another thing coming."
Most problematic for the Democratic presidential front-runner was Wright's suggestion that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his former pastor. "He didn't distance himself," Wright announced. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American." Wright spoke of friends who told him that "we both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected," and he said of his past parishioner: "Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls."
And that apparent decision by Obama to exclude Wright from his presidential kickoff announcement? Didn't happen. "I started it off downstairs with him, his wife and children, in prayer."
The pastor's performance puts new pressure on the candidate to say forcefully that Wright doesn't speak for him or the African American church. Though the candidate said on "Fox News Sunday" that Wright had been "simplified and caricatured" by the sound bites of his inflammatory words, Wright willingly embraced the sentiments of those sound bites yesterday.
In front of 30 television cameras, he mocked the media, leveled charges of racism at the government and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, who jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom his former parishioner. The pastor played right into the small band of anti-Wright protesters outside, who waved a sign: "Obama's chicken comes home to roost."
In his 30-minute prepared speech, Wright made a cogent call for a "spirit of reconciliation" and delivered a rebuke to those who questioned his patriotism. "Those who call me unpatriotic have used their positions of privilege to avoid military service," he said. He also protested that his infamous quotations were taken out of the full "context" of his sermons.
But the spirit of reconciliation dissipated during the question period, as Wright expanded on his fiery quotes. The crowd (all but a few tickets were bought by churches and organizations supporting Wright) cheered loudly and heckled the moderator, a USA Today reporter, when she tried to maintain order.
He explained his claim that the Sept. 11 attacks meant "America's chickens are coming home to roost." Said Wright: "You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you."
Wright defended Farrakhan's statement "20 years ago that Zionism -- not Judaism -- was a gutter religion." Of the Nation of Islam leader generally, Wright added: "He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century. . . . Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains, he did not put me in slavery and he didn't make me this color." At this point he traded a high-five with Barbara Reynolds, a local pastor.
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He repeated his belief that the government created AIDS as a means of genocide ("Based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything"). He defended his earlier comparison of U.S. Marines to the Roman soldiers who killed Jesus, saying the "notion of imperialism" is the same.
The moderator asked the audience whether Wright should apologize for his "God damn America" remarks. Shouts of "No!" followed, and Wright used the occasion to demand an apology for slavery.
"Until that apology comes, I'm not going to keep stepping on your foot and asking you, 'Does this hurt?' Do you forgive me for stepping on your foot, if I'm still stepping on your foot? Understand that? Capisce?"
Capisciamo, Reverend. All too well.
Staff writer Hamil R. Harris contributed to this column.- hwood, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8I don't care what the Rev. says, he does not speak for me or the rest of African Americans. I get so sick of people like him appointing themselves as spokes people for me and my family. African Americans are not a collective. We do not blindly follow the would be leaders that stand on their soap boxes pounding their fists about the gripe of the day. A vast majority of us are too busy working and raising our families to be bothered with someone claiming to speak for us. It would be foolish to judge any person by the words spoken by someone they know.
- pettdog78, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1Then you should stand up and confront these kind of arrogant bigots when they start flapping their mouths... Don't just sit back and quietly watch, do something about it. The longer bigots like this are allowed to stay in the mainstream the longer they damage relations between all people of America. This is a man who has preached hate and intolerance and for people to sit back pretend it is no big deal are kidding themselves. You don't agree? Then nip it in the bud before it becomes mainstream.
And with Barack Obama having a good chance at the Presidency the odds of this kind of mentality becoming mainstream are getting better every day... Everyones seen blacks riot through the years, imagine if whites finally got pissed off and rioted themselves because of these kinds of double-standards. It'd set us all back twenty years!
- pettdog78, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1Then you should stand up and confront these kind of arrogant bigots when they start flapping their mouths... Don't just sit back and quietly watch, do something about it. The longer bigots like this are allowed to stay in the mainstream the longer they damage relations between all people of America. This is a man who has preached hate and intolerance and for people to sit back pretend it is no big deal are kidding themselves. You don't agree? Then nip it in the bud before it becomes mainstream.
- snotrokit, on 04/29/2008, -2/+6as much as the media trumps it, bottom line is that most people really don't care. So Obama is going to lose the racist white vote, I think he can absorb that hit.
- RRJackson, on 04/30/2008, -2/+1He's dropping like a rock in the polls. Either there are WAY more racists out there than anyone had guessed or it matters to more people than you think.
- aznromeo4u, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1We would love to think that most people don't care but like PRJ said, he's dropping like a rock to the bottom of the ocean. I'm a hillary suporter and this story has me a little worried but, BO has it worst so something's gonna even out.
- hwood, on 04/29/2008, -1/+8I don't care what the Rev. says, he does not speak for me or the rest of African Americans. I get so sick of people like him appointing themselves as spokes people for me and my family. African Americans are not a collective. We do not blindly follow the would be leaders that stand on their soap boxes pounding their fists about the gripe of the day. A vast majority of us are too busy working and raising our families to be bothered with someone claiming to speak for us. It would be foolish to judge any person by the words spoken by someone they know.
- JointVenture, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1All I could think of when I read the post was of how much they reminded me of the characters in Southland Tales.
Dugg for drama. -
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