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Controversial McCain Endorser Brands Jews Cursed & Subhuman
talk2action.org — McCain endorser John Hagee preaches that Jews have "dead souls", are cursed by God, and that God sent Hitler and the Nazis to commit the Holocaust.
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- omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 05/16/2008, -19/+51I get a real bad feeling anytime the Israelis trust any hardcore Republican or rabid foaming at the mouth apocalyptic Christian, as if some of these psychos have some grand master plan that they've been guiding to destroy them all along. These guys make me sick!
- bradbaxter, on 05/16/2008, -12/+6I am highly critical of Hagee (and, though I usually vote Republican, I am critical too of John McCain). That said, I think this article is unfair.
1) Hagee preaches elsewhere, and includes in his books, that the holocaust was a great evil.
2) Hagee preaches that there are 2 covenants (between God and man), one for the Jews and another for Gentiles (which is salvation from Jesus). Hagee does set Jews apart as special, but he does not degrade them in so doing. He calls them God's people.
3) Hagee believes that the majority of individual Jews are in the process of coming back to God in the form of a spiritual revival.
4) I don't agree with Hagee's interpretation of that passage, to be a reference to Hitler and the holocaust. However, by saying that God sent Hitler is just another way of saying that it was God's will that things occur the way they did. Not that God was the author of Hitler's sin, but that he did allow Hitler to do what he did. If we believe in God, how else do we explain it? It happened, therefore, God obviously allowed it. You may wonder why God would allow such a thing... but hopefully there was a reason... Hagee's answer would be that it was so the Jews would return to their land. I think it is a stretch, but I don't think is anti-semetic. - EmporerTitus, on 05/16/2008, -6/+6The aim of the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy is to cleanse Jerusalem of Muslims, knock down their stupid holy sandcastle, and replace it with yet another stupid, magical sand castle commemorating the previous two stupid sandcastles built before the Zealots pissed off Rome so much the Emporer had to take care of things personally.
/run on sentence- monsieurginger, on 05/17/2008, -1/+7Israel has controlled the old city of Jerusalem since 1967. If they wanted to knock down al-Aqsa mosque ( or the Dome of the Rock), wouldn't they have done it by now?
- synaesthete, on 05/17/2008, -0/+5Interesting how anti semitic Neo-Nazi comments like EmperorTitus' here get dugg up in an article decrying antisemitism.
Oh, theyre just decrying Mccain, not actual antisemitism(as they dont care that Ron Paul is endorsed by all the white supremacist and Neo Nazi groups.)- sanman, on 05/17/2008, -6/+3Hey, this is Digg. I'm surprised that anyone here would care to post an article decrying anti-semitism.
They're just decrying MCain, of course.
Leftism and anti-semitism go hand in hand.
Nazi = National SOCIALIST WORKERS Party
- sanman, on 05/17/2008, -6/+3Hey, this is Digg. I'm surprised that anyone here would care to post an article decrying anti-semitism.
- LeeSoong, on 05/18/2008, -2/+1John Hagee was just quoting the official
Republican Fun-duh-mental-ist Platform.
Nothing to see here . . . move along.
p.s. Israel is basically a U.S. military base,
I don't see how that escapes anyone's attention...
- JerkHimey56, on 05/16/2008, -4/+5Hagee is the worst kind of antisemite. He doesn't believe the Jews are the chosen people, and ge believes they will all burn ini hell unless they convert to christianity. He believes their covenant is wrong and that they have to change their beliefs or they wil be justly eternally incinerated, just like the holocaust. It's the same old ***** disguised. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing, and he will turn on jews just like every christian in history ever has. i'm glad to take advantage of his idiocy while it provides oppoetunities to further the cause of zionism, but he is not with Judaism for any other reason than personal benefit for the fulfillment of a false prophecy. He and McCain are both opportunists and nothing more. Their kind is good for Israel for the moment, but only to be used in the same opportunistic way that they use others.
- MarkusGarvey, on 05/17/2008, -7/+4chosen for what?..i hate Hagee too..ya see...that is the problem with you fricken Zionist's... you think that you are better than everyone else..I'm a Jew and i don't think that Zionist's are the chosen people..the chosen ones are the ones that have empathy for their fellow human beings...
- stevealford, on 05/17/2008, -5/+3Believing the Jews aren't the chose people doesn't make you an antisemite, it makes you a non-Jew. I hate when people throw around that antisemite label at everyone. Jews thinking we're all going to hell is no better than the christians' and muslims' exact same concept of them. Any member of any religion thinks they're better than anyone who isn't with them. They're all idiots worshiping fairy tales and should be treated as such.
- etherreal, on 05/17/2008, -3/+3I guess I am an anti-semite too for thinking the Jew God is just as ridiculous as the Christ God. Or the Allah God for that matter.
- LeeSoong, on 05/18/2008, -2/+3The Hebrew-Christian-Islam meme is a
type of mental virus,
self replicating and widely infecting any unprotected 'system'.
Upgrade your Logic and Reason 'firewall' along with Scientific AntiMagic virus scanner to protect your brain from this vicious monotheistic SPAM virus.
(Supernatural Paranormal Anti-intellectual Magical-thinking virus).
- LeeSoong, on 05/18/2008, -2/+3The Hebrew-Christian-Islam meme is a
- JettaMan, on 05/17/2008, -5/+7Israelis (or their leadership at least) also make me want to puke. They get their special interest pit-bull, AIPAC, to leach billions of dollars from American taxpayers and transfer it to their country. They are also the very same neo-Cons that manipulated America to go to work for them in the middle-East with huge costly wars that cost thousands of lives. America would be looked upon far more favorably if it wasn't for their seedy manipulations.
- JerkHimey56, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2You guys don't know how to take advantage of an opportunity when you have one. That's where we come in. We're helping you, and whether you admit it or not, the help you give to israel keeps very powerful people on your side. You ensure your success by your loyalty. Just relax and enjoy the advantages you have in the world. You hitched your wagon to the right star (no pun intended) a long time ago. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to keep it that way
- MarkusGarvey, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2your star is becoming a Red Dwarf...
- JerkHimey56, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2Soon to be a supernova!
- MarkusGarvey, on 05/17/2008, -2/+2so you mean that it will self destruct?....( i was ready for that one)...sure seems like thats happening...
- JerkHimey56, on 05/17/2008, -4/+2Far from it. Israel will be the bightest star of the middle east, alight by the oil she takes from a greater land that is rightfully hers and chosen to be hers again. We'll cut you a deal on some of it once it's done.
- synaesthete, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1Wy the talks about Israel, what does that have to do with the topic in any way?
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"JerkHimey56" is spoofing Herkimer, and using an offensive ethnic slur in his user name ("himey").
- JerkHimey56, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2You guys don't know how to take advantage of an opportunity when you have one. That's where we come in. We're helping you, and whether you admit it or not, the help you give to israel keeps very powerful people on your side. You ensure your success by your loyalty. Just relax and enjoy the advantages you have in the world. You hitched your wagon to the right star (no pun intended) a long time ago. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to keep it that way
- bradbaxter, on 05/16/2008, -12/+6I am highly critical of Hagee (and, though I usually vote Republican, I am critical too of John McCain). That said, I think this article is unfair.
- tbhurst, on 05/16/2008, -47/+9That's great, but did Obama say it? No? Okay, then I'm not interested.
- TheThirdLevel, on 05/16/2008, -1/+0Just dig your head farther into your ass.
- tbhurst, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3**CORRECTION**
That was supposed to read: "That's great, but did McCain say it?..."
Ooops, my apologies. - Gorgamel, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Meh, its funnier the first way.
- buddhaplex, on 05/16/2008, -15/+62This country is in the hands of the American Taliban, and we have to stop it!
- solidcube, on 05/17/2008, -1/+3Ain't nobody else going to do it. Continue to talk, and refuse to shut up. Spread memes that expose Fox and the GOP for the lying propagandists they are. Memetics is mightier than the sword, and it is by memetics that we will win. They will be hoist by the traitorous judicial opinions that they themselves have signed into illegitimate law.
- SheilaNoya, on 05/16/2008, -12/+100Hagee actually supports the Jews, but only to the extent that they are needed to fulfill the End Times bible prophecy. He needs the Israelites to return to the "Holy Land" so Armegeddon can get started and Jesus can return (his belief, not mine). Hagee claims any Jews who then accept Christ will be forgiven, but the ones who don't convert to Christianity will burn in hell for all eternity.
Needless to say, many Jews welcome the support of the evangelicals in helping them recapture the Holy Land, but they also know that the evangelicals plan is to toss them aside (or send them straight to hell) once their goal is achieved.
McCain needs the evangelicals on his side because they want to start bombing Iran. That alone is enough to scare the hell out of me and tells us all what McCain has in store for the future.- Lucas123, on 05/16/2008, -35/+13Nonsense. Hagee is simply saying God is sovereign. And, He is.
- breadfred, on 05/16/2008, -2/+7Only if you choose Him to be. If you believe in him, you automatically 'subscribe' your thoughts to what he is supposed to be. So it is is, really, a self-fulfilling prophecy. It works for believers. It doesn't for people like me, who rely on science.
- Vironex, on 05/16/2008, -3/+3That was totally incoherent.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1Wait... God is planning on opening up a large Mass Relay so the harvesting of life throughout the galaxy may commence?
- breadfred, on 05/16/2008, -2/+7Only if you choose Him to be. If you believe in him, you automatically 'subscribe' your thoughts to what he is supposed to be. So it is is, really, a self-fulfilling prophecy. It works for believers. It doesn't for people like me, who rely on science.
- stfucupcake, on 05/16/2008, -8/+19It's a fear-based, end of time brand of Christianity that Hagee preaches. It must be spreading within evangelicals as even my own mom started lame the 'Cain -vs- Abel' argument with me. Barf.
Using selective old-testament quotes they demonize Arabs and align American Churches with Israel -- the end goal being adding Christian $$$ to prop up Israel.
What Hagee and others promote is a feel-good outlook toward Israel that is completely removed from the realities of it's ongoing terrorist agenda against the Palestinians. Seriously, Christians ought to be more skeptical of this sheep in wolf's clothing.
And, don't give me that CRAP about Israel having historical ownership of the land. If that held true then everyone ought to start clearing out of the USA as the Indians 'were here first'.- sgtbutterscotch, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3well shouldn't everyonet to start clearing out the USA for the native Americans?
- schneidafunk, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1Wait, are you saying it's OK what the US did to the Indians? In the same logic, why should Jews clear out of Israel for the Palestinians?
- rac1234, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Did you mean the sheep and wolf thing the other way round?
- ProfessorSYM, on 05/16/2008, -2/+22Except that John McCain has said on record that he accepts Hagee's endorsement.
- Gamer2k4, on 05/16/2008, -3/+4Just like Ron Paul has said on record that he supports a KKK member's endorsement?
(That video was heavily dugg because, "The endorsement means he considers Paul's beliefs to be more important than his own." and "It was a great comeback to a FOX news reporter who was trying to make him seem like a white supremacist." Am I the only one who sees a double standard here?)
- Gamer2k4, on 05/16/2008, -3/+4Just like Ron Paul has said on record that he supports a KKK member's endorsement?
- Chassit, on 05/16/2008, -3/+4Causing Armageddon is mass murder.
- bjornski, on 05/16/2008, -1/+6Think they care? They think they'll get to see Jebus.
- EmporerTitus, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3His Will be Done.
- RobotCitizen, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2God is OK with that.
- badnewshotel, on 05/16/2008, -5/+8Why are you scared of Iran? I mean, really, what on Earth scares you about that little piss-ant country?
- flogistan, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1They have to make you fear it so you won't feel it's wrong when they crush it. It is truly a nothing threat. It could be nothing else for the next sixty years.
- senatorpjt, on 05/16/2008, -3/+8I want to see what they say when Jesus doesn't show up - maybe they'll go away.
- kelly, on 05/16/2008, -7/+4The question is what you will say when he does... unfortunately, by that time you won't be able to say much as you're fate will already be predetermined... ironically, that fate will be the one you chose.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1I believe God--or the Creator if that sets him apart--isn't that fickle. I don't believe in the End Times. In fact, I'm going so far as to say I don't believe in Hell as it is so often depicted in any sort of literal (or metaphorically literal) sense.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Never going to happen. Look at all previous attempts at predicting the day of the Second Coming. They were proven wrong and then later someone else came along and said, "No, this is the REAL day it'll happen." Some people look forward to the End Times far too much for people supposedly concerned with the well-being of others; last I heard Revelations was not a happy fun time.
- kelly, on 05/16/2008, -7/+4The question is what you will say when he does... unfortunately, by that time you won't be able to say much as you're fate will already be predetermined... ironically, that fate will be the one you chose.
- kelly, on 05/16/2008, -10/+4That's not what Christians believe it all. We believe that the Jews are God's "chosen people" because that's what it says in the Bible. If prophecy is fulfilled, the Jewish people will be taken first in the rapture, the Christians then there will be a time of tribulation here on earth for non believers to believe or not believe and if they are fortunate enough to live during this time (actually unfortunate as living during this time will be hell on earth) then they have the option to choose or not. If they don't choose to believe in God, then THEY will burn in hell.
- bsmang, on 05/16/2008, -3/+6God is no more than a mere idea, albeit one that has sickened your mind.
- badnewshotel, on 05/17/2008, -2/+2I'm sorry you feel that way.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1That makes no sense, in my opinion.
Now: God wants you to chose to believe in Him based off the world around you; He does not want to 'force' you to believe in Him.
Revelations: After the Tribulation, where it's pretty damn obvious what's happening (All Jews and Christians are spontaneously gone... either God did it or Aliens are playing a really "funny" joke), you will get the choice to believe in Him or not... because it won't be like God has lain all his cards on the table and violated the present equilibrium or expectation of Free Will. That's not much of a choice. That's more of a "I've not so secretly removed all my believers from Earth, let's see if any body notices."
Furthermore: I refuse to believe God, as explained being a caring and just God, would damn a soul, any soul, to burn in Hell for eternity.
- bsmang, on 05/16/2008, -3/+6God is no more than a mere idea, albeit one that has sickened your mind.
- NikoKun, on 05/16/2008, -3/+10I just can't believe people are still crazy enough to believe in such non-sense...
- kelly, on 05/16/2008, -9/+3Funny, I can't believe people are still crazy enough not to believe in this stuff.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2That... is not an argument. "Why don't you still believe in Santa Clause?" Why should they? The burden of proof is on the believers; the matter of faith is a personal one and not at all related to one's sanity.
- kelly, on 05/16/2008, -9/+3Funny, I can't believe people are still crazy enough not to believe in this stuff.
- flogistan, on 05/16/2008, -2/+3Hagee supports the jews but only to the extent that end times prophecy dictates..... that he get discounted cable TV time so that he can be seen all over america so his tent sermons can solicit money from frightened old people who are more afraid of dying because they're old so they can attempt to buy eternal life by contributing to him by phone. He would say anything positive about anyone who could give him more access to a larger audience to get free money from saps. The people who control what's on your TV are therefor, the chosen people, and have a covenant with gaaawwwwd, no matter what they believe in. He'd say jesus was a pink elephant if pink elephants controlled what was on cable TV.
- etherreal, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1They should just do it already so that I can laugh when nothing happens.
- LeeSoong, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1Bad news for John Hagee:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29540
Christ Converts To Islam
- Lucas123, on 05/16/2008, -35/+13Nonsense. Hagee is simply saying God is sovereign. And, He is.
- Simonft, on 05/16/2008, -24/+30We really need to stop attacking candidates on the people who endorse them. This is really not fair to them. If the candidate has actively sought out the endorsement of a person, then it is fine, but unsolicited endorsements should not be attacked.
- SheilaNoya, on 05/16/2008, -4/+64McCain DID seek out Hagee's endorsement. Just wanted to make that clear.
- theocracylooms, on 05/16/2008, -8/+14Would you say that if Hagee were a Neo-Nazi or KKK member ?
Well, Hagee's views on Jews are really not so different from the views of such people.
McCain's a public figure - public figures are judged by their political associations, and for McCain to appear in public with Hagee amounts to a sort of tacit endorsement, from McCain, of Hagee.
There's no endorsement without responsibility.- RationalXubrnce, on 05/16/2008, -6/+3 Yes but McCains not endorsing him, he's endorsing McCain, don't you see the difference?
- senatorpjt, on 05/16/2008, -0/+8By appearing in public with Hagee, it's at least an implicit endorsement of Hagee by McCain.
- TheThirdLevel, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3McCain asked him for his endorsement.
- RationalXubrnce, on 05/16/2008, -6/+3 Yes but McCains not endorsing him, he's endorsing McCain, don't you see the difference?
- guabancex, on 05/16/2008, -1/+6"Show me your. friends, and I tell you who you are..."
- malman4, on 05/16/2008, -3/+5Doesn't say much for Obama........
- WasabiBomb, on 05/16/2008, -2/+4Actually, it doesn't say anything for Obama, considering he disavowed Wright. Yet McCain is unwilling to do the same...
- malman4, on 05/16/2008, -3/+5Doesn't say much for Obama........
- sombreroman, on 05/16/2008, -7/+5I buried this story because I've decided to be an idealist about what kind of political news is important. I would prefer to use my small measure of influence on Digg's aggregation of political coverage to make it into a site that I could show to a McCain OR an Obama supporter (or Clinton supporter, or Paul, or ...), and say, "These are the stories that really matter." Not, "these petty stories balance out the petty stories you heard about elsewhere."
I understand the desire to try to digg this up in order to try to balance out the mainstream coverage of Rev. Wright's comments. I'm also tempted to just digg anything that makes McCain / the Republican party look bad.
At the same time, I doubt that this story made the front page because we really thought it was important as voters to know these details about what one McCain endorser has said. I suspect most of us feel don't actually believe that this story contributes to information that we think we need and that ought to be covered, and instead dugg it as a way to "fight back" against the right-wing's organized PR campaigns. We'd be happier if this election, primary or otherwise, focused on real issues - we'd be happier if stories about Wright and Hagee were afterthoughts, rather than week-long spectacles. Personally, I don't think Hagee's lunacy reflects one iota of McCain's personal, political, or religious beliefs. And since McCain has since publicly discounted the Obama-Wright connection ("I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share [Wright's] views."), I don't think this story newly exposes any significant hypocrisy by McCain. To me, it's not news.
I realize that you could agree entirely with my "idealist" philosophy and still think this is a completely legitimate story to digg - I'm not suggesting that's wrong. But if you dugg this just to "balance out" substandard political reporting you've read elsewhere, I ask that you reconsider. - thursdayevryday, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4I was about to make the same comment as you, before I read the article that is. You see, the difference here (than from when Hamas "endorsed" Obama) is that McCain said he was glad that he was endorced by Hagee; he has made public speeches in which he mentions Hagee in a positive light (the video shows one).
I agree that people shouldn't judge a candidate just by those who endorse him, but in this circumstance there was mutual endorsement, where we must assume that McCain might even approve of what Hagee said about the Jews. - Metasquares, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Sure, as soon as people stop judging Obama on Wright's actions.
- slightlygifted, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1the guy was like a father figure to obama, but once he started hurting his campaign he just dumped him instead of defending him saying how he lived in the time of segregation. reason why i cant respect obama.
- orangedude, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Are you kidding me? Did you miss the entire "A More Perfect Union" Speech on race?
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1@orangedude: The answer to your question appears evident given what slightlygifted said.
- slightlygifted, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1the guy was like a father figure to obama, but once he started hurting his campaign he just dumped him instead of defending him saying how he lived in the time of segregation. reason why i cant respect obama.
- mentallyinhell, on 05/16/2008, -8/+41Jesus was Jewish! Seriously. Get off your high horse.
- mclev, on 05/16/2008, -8/+3Wasn't he a WASP?
- mayhemchaos, on 05/16/2008, -0/+12And for that matter, his name was Yeshua
- RobotCitizen, on 05/17/2008, -1/+8*****! Jesus was American, and he drove a kickin' Camaro!
- chirhonius, on 05/17/2008, -2/+0Yes, but then he rejected their beliefs and started his own deal
- flogistan, on 05/17/2008, -3/+1Wasn't he the first christian? I'm pretty sure I don't attend a synagogue. I think hagee wants me to eventually, but for now, I don't appear to.
- Berkana, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Jesus' followers were Christians, but Jesus, the one they followed, was the Christ.
How are you "pretty sure you don't attend a synagogue"? What is that supposed to mean? Why would Hagee want you to attend one?
- Berkana, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Jesus' followers were Christians, but Jesus, the one they followed, was the Christ.
- Berkana, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2You need to differentiate ethnicity from belief; Jesus was ethnically Jewish, and practiced Judaism, but once his ministry started, he clashed sharply with the ruling authorities in Judaism. John Hagee doesn't see Jesus as a Jew, even though he knows Jesus is Jewish; he sees Jesus as God (though of Jewish lineage). Thus, pointing out that Jesus was Jewish doesn't mean a thing to him.
- flogistan, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1You just described jesus renouncing judaism in disgust. If you think of it ethnically, as you suggest, that is genetically, then he was the same as everyone in palestine. They are ndiscernible by years of interbreeding as they are today Are you talking about religion here, or the semitic people of palestine? (ethnicity). If you're talking about ethnicity, jesus was one of those people in palestine that had been interbreeding for thousands of years. Science aside, as it probably should be in this discussion, you're saying that jesus clashed sharply with judaism, so sharply that he was considered a heretic worthy of killing, then the rabbis had him killed, then an entirely incompatible religion sprouted up around his heretical words and philosophy that were incompatible with judaism to the point of being repulsive... giving rise to the religion we have today...and he was jewish?
- Berkana, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1No, I did not describe Jesus renouncing Judaism in disgust; I described him clashing with *the leaders* of Judaism at that time. There is a big difference. Jesus did not renounce Judaism, and continued to visit the Temple and celebrate Jewish festivals to the last. The religion that sprang up from his disciples continued to use Jewish scripture; the New Testament wasn't compiled for decades after Jesus' death, but the Old Testament is still in the Bible to this day.
The Jews and the Arabs are both semites, but the Jews were very resistant to interbreeding after the exile; they didn't even want to associate with the Samaritans, who were racially a mix of Jew and other peoples brought to the region by the Assyrians.
- Berkana, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1No, I did not describe Jesus renouncing Judaism in disgust; I described him clashing with *the leaders* of Judaism at that time. There is a big difference. Jesus did not renounce Judaism, and continued to visit the Temple and celebrate Jewish festivals to the last. The religion that sprang up from his disciples continued to use Jewish scripture; the New Testament wasn't compiled for decades after Jesus' death, but the Old Testament is still in the Bible to this day.
- flogistan, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1You just described jesus renouncing judaism in disgust. If you think of it ethnically, as you suggest, that is genetically, then he was the same as everyone in palestine. They are ndiscernible by years of interbreeding as they are today Are you talking about religion here, or the semitic people of palestine? (ethnicity). If you're talking about ethnicity, jesus was one of those people in palestine that had been interbreeding for thousands of years. Science aside, as it probably should be in this discussion, you're saying that jesus clashed sharply with judaism, so sharply that he was considered a heretic worthy of killing, then the rabbis had him killed, then an entirely incompatible religion sprouted up around his heretical words and philosophy that were incompatible with judaism to the point of being repulsive... giving rise to the religion we have today...and he was jewish?
- NecroSexy, on 05/17/2008, -4/+4Jesus most likely never even existed.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Jesus the man, or Jesus the Christ? I think there's decent evidence to suggest a messiah named Jesus existed; whether what the Bible states is a matter of fact or exaggeration, however, is still hotly debated (as far as I know).
- Lilitou, on 05/16/2008, -13/+69I would love to know why the MSM hasn't been all over Hagee the way they've been all over Wright. Oh, of course. Hagee's not an Angry Black Man.
- DaDrake, on 05/16/2008, -16/+20You honestly don't see the difference? First, McCain quickly separated himself from Hagee when he learned about this guy's history. Secondly, the only met once for 10 minutes while shaking hands. And, the endorsement was sought out by a staffer, who was instructed to get EVERY endorsement in the local community (this is common... staffers even try to get endorsements from PTA boards). Furthermore, McCain never called hagee his reason for joining politics and the foundation of political career.... he never called him his mentor... and he didn't personally know him for 20+ years (in fact... he didn't know him at all).
- muckemuck, on 05/16/2008, -0/+13There's an article here http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/29/mccain-ref ...
you need to read.. if foxnews ever fixes their site. Or you can google "mccain hagee refuses" and view the cached version. .. it shows that McCain DID NOT separate himself from Hagee when he learned of the endorsement. He defended him.- slightlygifted, on 05/17/2008, -3/+1thats actually a gain in my book. even if he barely knew the guy he defended him. but obama, wright was "his mentor". and yet the second he starts to hurt his campaign, obama completely disassociates himself from wright. instead of defending him, saying how he lived in the times of segregation, he instead dumps one of his best friends to become president. he's a ruthless politician. you may think he's the messiah or something, but just know he's just like all the other politicians.
- StarlessKnight, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2@slightlygifted: As someone responded to you earlier said, Obama had a speech specifically about the Wright Incident explaining where the "offensive" assertions/statements may have come from and why it is important that we overcome our differences and seek reconciliation with one another as people. He defended Wright in the sense that he is Human and has feelings and thoughts of his own, regardless of whether Obama personally agrees with them.
- muckemuck, on 05/16/2008, -0/+13There's an article here http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/29/mccain-ref ...
- wliebkem, on 05/16/2008, -5/+10Wright became an issue because he converted Obama to Christianity, married him, traveled with him on campaigns, was the core of Obama's spiritual advisory team, baptized Obama's children, was Obama's pastor for 20 years, and who provided the title for Obama's second book. To say that he had a large influence on Obama's thinking is an understatement. Some Americans are concerned about black liberation theology.
Hagee is someone who endorsed McCain. McCain has never been to one of Hagee's sermons. McCain's pastor is Dan Yeary, a laid-back guy who is probably like your priest or mine. Hagee endorsed McCain, but McCain did not endorse Hagee.
Obama has publicly stated that he rejects black liberation theology that Wright has consistent espoused for their 20 year association. That is to his credit, although the timing seems to suggest that he rejects it now for political expediency rather than out of principle (if out of principle, why did he stay in the church so long?). However, Wright himself clearly believes that Obama is just saying what he has to to pander as a politician. In fact Wright, who seems to have trouble being tactful or holding himself back, said so on national TV. Ouch!
It is reasonable to bring up both people. When you compare them and say that they are equivalent, thinking people and moderates will reject your comments as inane or unresearched. Sorry. - JointVenture, on 05/16/2008, -5/+1There you go thinking with the left side of your brain again.
Rev Wright at the NAACP a couple of weeks ago...
" Blacks, by contrast, cannot sit still in class or learn from quiet study, and they have difficulty learning from "objects" — books, for example — but instead learn from "subjects," such as rap lyrics on the radio. These differences are neurological, according to Ms. Hale and Mr. Wright: Whites use what Mr. Wright referred to as the "left-wing, logical and analytical" side of their brains, whereas blacks use their "right brain," which is "creative and intuitive."
Now thats some funny ***** you stupid left brainer.
- DaDrake, on 05/16/2008, -16/+20You honestly don't see the difference? First, McCain quickly separated himself from Hagee when he learned about this guy's history. Secondly, the only met once for 10 minutes while shaking hands. And, the endorsement was sought out by a staffer, who was instructed to get EVERY endorsement in the local community (this is common... staffers even try to get endorsements from PTA boards). Furthermore, McCain never called hagee his reason for joining politics and the foundation of political career.... he never called him his mentor... and he didn't personally know him for 20+ years (in fact... he didn't know him at all).
- DaDrake, on 05/16/2008, -19/+25"McCain DID seek out Hagee's endorsement. Just wanted to make that clear."
I just want to make clear that you are omitting some fairly important facts. First, the "seeking" of the endorsement was done by a staffer, who often call all republican/political leaders in an area asking for endorsement. Secondly, when it became clear to McCain what his position was... McCain said he didn't agree and separated himself from him.- ProfessorSYM, on 05/16/2008, -1/+21He separated himself from him, yet he still accepts his endorsement?
"When asked in an exclusive "This Week" interview with George Stephanopoulos if it was "a mistake to solicit and accept his endorsement", McCain replied "oh, probably, sure." Despite admitting his error, McCain made clear he's still "glad to have his endorsement."
Source: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mc ... - muckemuck, on 05/16/2008, -0/+9"John McCain defended his endorsement from evangelical pastor John Hagee Friday, balking at a request to denounce the San Antonio megachurch leader given his past controversial statements about Catholicism." .. from Foxnews.com 2/29/2008
- ProfessorSYM, on 05/16/2008, -1/+21He separated himself from him, yet he still accepts his endorsement?
- jaymzdean, on 05/16/2008, -8/+17Christian Zionists think it is required to redesign the Middle East on Israel's behalf, triggering the Battle of Armagedon, thereby giving Jesus the go-ahead to come again and the rapture.
Here's a Patriot Jew's mini-documentary on the dangerous bunch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig- dinostabOMG, on 05/16/2008, -3/+5That was an awesome look at the Christian Zionist movement. He hit it right on the nose - American politics are in the stranglehold of a cult more dangerous than Scientology and nearly as idiotic. If only people would stand up to them like Anonymous does - and if Christians would support the actual Christian people of the Holy Land, who are Palestinians.
- Fordi, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4"Why do people laugh at Creationists?"
Just another good answer.
- Fordi, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4"Why do people laugh at Creationists?"
- stfucupcake, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2That vid is priceless. Lol I laughed so hard at the stupidity of those cultist. They are seriously giving Christians a bad rep.
- dn11, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2yeah, it's funny until you realize how heavily they are influencing the GOP and the US terrible foreign policy over the last 8 years. then you realize it's not so funny and you see why this whole Israel/ Iran issue is being wielded by the likes of Bush and McCain. These bastards need to be kicked the hell out of Washington
- empiric, on 05/17/2008, -1/+0Sounds like that time it was suggested that Jesus jump off the top of the temple, because God had said he would be protected by angels, and God's hand would be forced.
Wait... who was it who suggested that idea again? - dn11, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2get that video up on the front page - repeatedly
- dinostabOMG, on 05/16/2008, -3/+5That was an awesome look at the Christian Zionist movement. He hit it right on the nose - American politics are in the stranglehold of a cult more dangerous than Scientology and nearly as idiotic. If only people would stand up to them like Anonymous does - and if Christians would support the actual Christian people of the Holy Land, who are Palestinians.
- lickmylovepump, on 05/16/2008, -26/+7The Digg biblical scholars always make me smile.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/16/2008, -4/+10So what's a real biblical scholar?
Some retarded evangelist asking for money? The Vatican idiots? How many times has this ridiculous book been mistranslated and warped in order to further someones political agenda?
Here:
Lick my balls. - Mathew 3:18- bjornski, on 05/16/2008, -1/+2Is that the new "King George" edition?
- GhostyBoy, on 05/16/2008, -4/+10So what's a real biblical scholar?
- ElAssoWipo, on 05/16/2008, -19/+12I'm very proud to see that the christian zionism plan is starting to reach mainstream, and is actually starting to make sense to a lot of you. You have no idea what it's like to try and make that argument in the 80's.
I'm especially proud that this generation FINALLY makes the difference between judaism and zionism.
Keep talking about it, tell everyone you know.
http://www.christianzionism.org/- masterm1nd, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4Are you joking?
- blankhorizons, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Really?
- Misinformant, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4I'll pass the word...
...that you're a ***** moron.
- whiterice0, on 05/16/2008, -42/+16Bruce Wilson could be sued for libel. Hagee never said Jews were subhuman. I despise this hate-mongering crap by ultra-liberals posing as intellectuals. While God is slow to anger and quick with mercy, the Jews felt God's wrath, and were redeemed many times by God. Pick up a Bible someday and read. Every time Jews worshipped idols, disobeyed God and did evil, they felt God's wrath -- to the point where God even allowed them to be taken into captivity by the Babelonians.
We all live under the curse of sin and have since Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. Only God's grace and redemption through Christ breaks that curse and places us back in relationship with God.
The simple fact is that there would be no state of Israel today if there were no holocaust. That doesn't mean that God created the holocaust to direct Jews back to Israel, but he did take evil and work it for good and the reestablishment of the nation of Israel. And, yes, he knew the holocaust was coming. We have free will to sin, you know.
No one knows the time of Christ's return (and armageddon) -- even Jesus didn't know when he was on earth -- and no schemes of man will usher it in. It will come no matter what we do.
Wilson has absolutely no understanding of scripture or what Hagee is preaching about. But, this is an excellent example of "the blind leading the blind."- wynja, on 05/16/2008, -5/+7Then explain the Holocaust? I don't recall Jews worshiping false idols, doing evil (on the community scale), or disobeying God in the 30s.
Your logic is flawed. You should read books other than the Bible every now and again. You should start with a history lesson of the Holocaust. - Chassit, on 05/16/2008, -7/+3Spare us your lies, kthxplzdrivthru.
- blindhammer, on 05/16/2008, -2/+6Awesome!
I guess this means you beat your servants as though they were your children (Proverbs 29:19). Wait? You don't?
Well. Have fun in Hell.- Lucas123, on 05/16/2008, -6/+3Why did you stop quoting? Let's go on to the next verse
"Do you see a man who speaks in haste?
There is more hope for a fool than for him." (Proverbs 29:20).
It's good that you're at least looking at scripture, now go the next step and try to understand it in context. Don't spout foolishness.- blindhammer, on 05/16/2008, -1/+7The only problems are that:
1. This doesn't address sanctioning slavery.
2. This doesn't address physical violence.
Thanks for trying.
- blindhammer, on 05/16/2008, -1/+7The only problems are that:
- Lucas123, on 05/16/2008, -6/+3Why did you stop quoting? Let's go on to the next verse
- julianp, on 05/16/2008, -2/+5Ahahahahahahaha
I'm sorry... this ***** is so pathetic there are tears in my eyes from laughter.
It's crazy to think that there are still people out there clinging onto these insane beliefs.
Everyone knows the only real god is Zeus. - toowired77, on 05/16/2008, -2/+0Judaism is not a race it is a religion. If Christians feel that their God prefers Jews, why not become a Jew and convert to Judaism? How can you worship a God that considers you second class person as a "Gentile"? What if my great grandfather converted to Judaism and I have no Jewish blood (if such a thing exists), which covenant do I follow?
The Bible was written at a time when people were practicing idolatry. Since the surrounding nations no longer practice these types of religion, where is the differentiation? If you think that anyone is holy, special or blessed by virtue of their ethnicity, you would have loved the apartheid government in South Africa. - solidcube, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Do you believe in evil spirits and sky tyrants? Do you believe in the talking snake? Do you hear voices, and do they tell you to kill?
We are supposed to take you seriously why? You make me sick to my stomach.
- wynja, on 05/16/2008, -5/+7Then explain the Holocaust? I don't recall Jews worshiping false idols, doing evil (on the community scale), or disobeying God in the 30s.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/16/2008, -15/+38Let's see:
Misinterpreted information stated as fact over and over? Check.
Tons of idiots read it and then base moronic opinions on it? Check.
Almost completely devoid of verifiable factual information? Check.
So how exactly is the bible different than the internet?- papipablo, on 05/16/2008, -4/+24The bible is entirely fictional and there's no good porn in it.
- dinostabOMG, on 05/16/2008, -5/+11Fewer lolcatz
- RajAtWork, on 05/16/2008, -3/+6bravo, excellent point
- pintomp3, on 05/16/2008, -2/+6not to many people cite the internet when justifying genocide. not yet anyway.
- psylemon, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2The bible isn't a series of tubes.
- flogistan, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1Dead sea scrolls? Series of tubes. It was in fact, originally a series of tubes at the library of alexandria.
- cJw314, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1It's funny that in your attempt to insult those that believe in the Word of God, you make close-minded, hateful comments quite similar to those that misrepresent Christianity.
- lhbaker, on 05/16/2008, -3/+4Here we go again.
- wendelgee2, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3Seriously.
We were almost having a discussion about how best to balance diplomacy with warfare...but I guess not.
Keep your eye on the ball, people.
- wendelgee2, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3Seriously.
- 3Den, on 05/16/2008, -7/+4Yes - this is very important, because as we all know this imprtant fact:
If someone supports YOUR position on ONE thing - it automatically means that YOU support THEIR positions on EVERYTHING. - hdberk, on 05/16/2008, -6/+11Oh wait... this is about McCain. You won't see this played over and over on the news.
- Gamer2k4, on 05/16/2008, -12/+14So let me get this straight. Because some guy who endorses McCain is anti-semitic, that makes McCain anti-semitic as well? Is that the message that we're supposed to get from this? Didn't we have an article about a KKK member endorsing Paul a while back, and all of you were praising him for not letting that be an issue? Obama's wife has said at times that she's ashamed to be an American, but I don't hear any of you saying that that makes him a bad choice for the President.
How about we respond the same to all similar stories, instead of saying, "I'm against this candidate, so it matters" and "I'm for this candidate, so it doesn't matter."- MrWhite7, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1Did you just collectivize digg?
- Gamer2k4, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2It's really not that hard to do:
http://www.thecaffeineproject.com/wp-content/uploa ...
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/848/diggsx1.png
- Gamer2k4, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2It's really not that hard to do:
- Fordi, on 05/16/2008, -1/+3Paul did not seek out the donation (not endorsement) of the white supremecist guy. McCain *did* seek out the endorsement of Hagee, knowing exactly what he stood for. That's a huge difference.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -2/+5McCain is proud of getting Hagee's support. Get your facts straight dumbass.
- stfucupcake, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Exactly.
- MrWhite7, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1Did you just collectivize digg?
- Lososaurus, on 05/16/2008, -5/+4Maybe they are cursed, just look at their history, poor guys can't get a break.
- stfucupcake, on 05/17/2008, -3/+1you forgot the /sarcasm.
- peoplerstoopid, on 05/16/2008, -6/+1nutjob...however, my biggest problem with the video was the lead in narration. It sounded like the Moviephone guy and John Walsh had a child together......ugh.
- blinkatron, on 05/16/2008, -2/+14I just don't understand why people get all worked up about Obama's former pastor's comments... but not this guy's... and why does this get no MSM coverage? mind boggling...
- texasag03, on 05/16/2008, -5/+2No, it's not mind-boggling unless you are an idiot. Obama attended that church for 20 years and called Wright his "spiritual advisor". Wright married the Obamas and baptised their children.
McCain, as far as I know, has had no long-term relationship with Hagee and as soon as he heard some of Hagee's beliefs, he distanced himself from him. - RationalXubrnce, on 05/16/2008, -3/+2 I don't understand how you can not understand that McCain doesn't even know this guy and doesn't support him and Obama was close friends with Wright and that's the difference. You honestly think those circumstances are the same?
P.S I'm not a McCain supporter. - Marinium, on 05/16/2008, -3/+3Rev. Wright = Obama's spiritual and moral counselor
John Hagee = Some dude endorsing McCain
See the difference now? - blinkatron, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4http://www.kansascity.com/449/story/617701.html
Clearly, McCain has some kind of relationship with Hagee, he met him in person to accept his endorsement...- slightlygifted, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1he wasnt best friends with him for 20+ years though.
- texasag03, on 05/16/2008, -5/+2No, it's not mind-boggling unless you are an idiot. Obama attended that church for 20 years and called Wright his "spiritual advisor". Wright married the Obamas and baptised their children.
- Terasiel, on 05/16/2008, -1/+4HAGEE '12! If he gathers his followers and raises enough funds he can be on the Completely ***** ticket by 2012! Think of the opportunities we could create by coming together to hate the same people whose book we base our religion on!
- fishizza, on 05/16/2008, -2/+7C'mon now everyone knows religion was invented to control the masses. It only applies to weak-minded and fear-ridden people. Sounds like the guy giving these sermons is sub-human to me.
- papipablo, on 05/16/2008, -1/+3Agreed. Religion was invented to keep the slave classes docile and obedient. I'm tired of people who believe in talking snakes and zombies rising from the dead being treated like credible leaders. They are fools.
- MrWhite7, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2Conversely, if some of you didn't make fun of and persecute them so much (yeah I know) they wouldn't feel so self-righteous and ...well.. persecuted. Ignore them and they'll shut the hell up. Mock them and you'll swell their numbers.
- empiric, on 05/17/2008, -0/+0Right, because when Christianity was formed it wasn't the case that 1% of the population would listen to you at all, and you were signing up for a life of waiting for the Roman Empire to kill you. Great plan of something to invent to "control the masses".
I realize you're only unthinkingly parroting what you hear often, but take a moment to realize that's just because you like to listen to fellow liars and historical idiots. Thanks.
- papipablo, on 05/16/2008, -1/+3Agreed. Religion was invented to keep the slave classes docile and obedient. I'm tired of people who believe in talking snakes and zombies rising from the dead being treated like credible leaders. They are fools.
- blah247, on 05/16/2008, -1/+1Damn my wife has a 'Dead Soul'... I'm going to have to inform her!
- rblancarte, on 05/16/2008, -3/+4You know, I don't care about this. What does it matter? This isn't McCain talking. This isn't a staff worker of McCain, speaking for him, saying this. This is basically some guy saying it. It doesn't matter that he supports McCain, that means nothing. Big whoop. If the leader of the KKK decided to say "Vote for McCain over Obama because he is white" does that instantly make McCain a racist due to his endorsement?
Just like Rev. Wright doesn't speak for Obama, Hagee doesn't speak for McCain. Hell, at this point, all of these "Supporter of [insert candidate here] says [insert comment here]" are non issues. I don't see why the media is getting in a bind over them.
All this really is, is "the media" putting crap out there, and then seeing if a candidate will quick to denounce them. What does it matter? And more importantly what does it demonstrate?- artfiend77, on 05/16/2008, -4/+2No, but what kind of candidate has crazy off their rocker apocalyptic end of the world pyschos endorsing them?
- gtlogic, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2You, my friend, are an idiot.
- artfiend77, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1Please explain. Did I miss something?
Lets forget Obama and McCain. Let's say you have two candidates, one whose is endorsed by guy who, granted, might be a little racist ( and I'm just saying that to be fair) and the other guy is endorsed by some guy who straight up believes in the apocalypse and thinks Jews are inferior.
You gotta ask yourself, what the hell is making candidate B so enticing to the apocalytic psycho? Maybe he believes their end goal is the same? Maybe its a bit of scratch my back and I'll scratch yours? - masterm1nd, on 05/16/2008, -1/+4Artfiend, need I remind you that Hamas endorses Obama? Who do you think OBL will endorse? Do we agree an endorsement isn't very meaningful? The thing about Reverend Wright is, Obama essentially endorses him back... It's not about crazy people supporting a candidate, it's about a candidate supporting crazy people.
- artfiend77, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4Zeouch. Point taken. Digg down plz.
- EmporerTitus, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Won't digg down. B/C both Obaaama and McSame are psychos endorsed by off the rocker types.
- masterm1nd, on 05/16/2008, -1/+4What if McCain willfully went and listened to that crap for half of his life? Yes everyone speaks for themselves, but everyone chooses their own actions as well...
- rblancarte, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Big what if. Just want to note - he didn't.
- masterm1nd, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Yes, but Obama did!
- rblancarte, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Big what if. Just want to note - he didn't.
- artfiend77, on 05/16/2008, -4/+2No, but what kind of candidate has crazy off their rocker apocalyptic end of the world pyschos endorsing them?
- 10ofDiamonds, on 05/16/2008, -6/+6Hagee backs McCain !--> McCain back Hagee......useless article, unless you've got a hard on to read about inbred religious zealots.
- whalt, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2Actually McCain does back Hagee because he specifically sought out his endorsement and continues to say how much he values it.
- 10ofDiamonds, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Funny, I cant find anywhere with a quote that even remotely expresses that he seeks his support(even on leftist web sites), I am not saying you're wrong yet, but show your work. The only thing even remotely incriminating that I can find is this......"I will say that he said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position. I hope that maybe you’d give him a chance to respond. He says he has never been anti-Catholic, but I repudiate the words that create that impression." -McCain
......not the smoking gun you libs were looking for......but hey spin it any way you like.
- 10ofDiamonds, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Funny, I cant find anywhere with a quote that even remotely expresses that he seeks his support(even on leftist web sites), I am not saying you're wrong yet, but show your work. The only thing even remotely incriminating that I can find is this......"I will say that he said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position. I hope that maybe you’d give him a chance to respond. He says he has never been anti-Catholic, but I repudiate the words that create that impression." -McCain
- whalt, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2Actually McCain does back Hagee because he specifically sought out his endorsement and continues to say how much he values it.
- nebbo, on 05/16/2008, -2/+3Don't complain when stories report Rev. Wright's views and then post things about McCain's supporters' views.
Just because a candidate has supporters does not mean the candidate endorses the views of his supporters. - badnewshotel, on 05/16/2008, -6/+4I'd like to talk about Obama saying he would campaign in all 57 states. If her were Dan Quayle you idiots would be screaming from the roof tops.
- MrWhite7, on 05/16/2008, -2/+2So like... do you live in Rush's vagina ... or what?
- MonkeyOverlord, on 05/16/2008, -5/+7"To assert that any human group is somehow spiritually different from the rest of humanity is the most extreme form of racist bigotry."
The dumbass who wrote this clearly missed out on the Jews' own teaching that they are the chosen people of God.
Ironically, the Old Testament actually teaches the Jews that their disobedience to God brought their suffering on them. So, I guess the Jewish prophets are anti-semites too.
Again. What an ignoramus.- thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2The Jewish prophets, by claiming their own tribe to be "chosen", are racist. Putting a human group on a different spiritual plane from the rest of humanity is the most extreme form of racial supremacy.
- getatmedigg, on 05/16/2008, -0/+5It's crazy. "Evil preacher seeks political influence to bring about the apocalypse."- It's like a plot straight from WB's old show 'Angel'. I think Hagee's organization CUFI is scary as hell-Its a real-life Wolfram & Hart. They want to do good by bringing the end of days for man. How can the US complain about overzealous theocracies when it's slowly becoming one?!
- akaz, on 05/16/2008, -5/+3***** THING SUCKS!!!!!
- theviceroy, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!
- Hetman, on 05/16/2008, -0/+7Old news. Everyone knows hagee's is a bigot. We knew that since like 2001 if not before. ***** the dewd was falwell's right hand man and we know how big of a bigot falwell was.
- pintomp3, on 05/16/2008, -0/+4even mccain knew it. he called them "agents of intolerance" back in 2000. he has since forgotten.
- bpopp, on 05/16/2008, -1/+2That's really not that controversial unless you think believing the Bible is God's word is controversial. It's not hard to see how he went where he went. Hagee has said much worse stuff that is much less supported by the scriptures.
- ostracize, on 05/16/2008, -2/+7I think Hagee is way off on Jeremiah 16:
15 but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.
16 "But now I will send for many fishermen," declares the LORD, "and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks. 17 My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. 18 I will repay them double for their wickedness and their sin, because they have defiled my land with the lifeless forms of their vile images and have filled my inheritance with their detestable idols."
They (ie. the fisherman), will catch them (ie. the Israelites)...They (ie. the hunters) will hunt them (ie. the Israelites) down...I will repay them (ie. the Israelites) double for their (ie. the Israelites) wickedness...because they (ie. the Israelites) defiled my land (ie. the Holy land).
In other words, this prophecy is about *removing* the Israelites from the holy land for their sins, which occurred in 587 BCE, not bringing them back in 1948 CE. Verse 15 could be about the restoration of Israel in 1948 ("all the countries"), but 16-18 is definitely not.- whalt, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1I agree. Your interpretation of a fairy tale is far superior to his.
- RabidAngel, on 05/16/2008, -2/+11Just why would an omnipotent being who created everything, knows everything, and can do everything actually give two ***** about who is standing where when he decides to come back and lay the smack down? Would a God really have to recruit the help of a total douchebag like Hagee - or anyone, for that matter - to get things done? Puh-lease. What a ***** idiotic thinking process.Oh, wait... we are talking about religion.
- Hetman, on 05/16/2008, -1/+5It makes sense if you like to be worshipped by thousands of people like Hagee's. Christian evangelists are about the worst type of christian there are. They do not even understand what the word meek means.
- pintomp3, on 05/16/2008, -1/+3you didn't know god was a real estate agent on the side? do you not acknowledge the legitimacy of the bible as a real estate contract?
- ICANSTANDIT, on 05/16/2008, -1/+4Who are these people who apparently have no more intellect than those who burned women as witches in Salem not all that long ago? In the media, in the pulpit? In 2008? Heaven help us all! And I wonder just who is in their audience? That's the really scary part! I wish they'd stop using religion as an excuse for their own stupidity and arrogance.
- Zoshchenko, on 05/16/2008, -2/+4And we thought Jeremiah Wright was a problem for Obama? Republicans get what they deserve for being narrow-minded bigots. There's not a chance in hell McCain is going to win this elections. I think it's sad he doesn't realize what a sacrificial lamb patsy he is for the Republican Party.
- Hetman, on 05/16/2008, -1/+3I think you are a bit niave. McCain panders to evanglists. You know the people that worship Hagee's. So as soon as he is endorsed by Hagee's he automatically gets one of the largest voting blocks in america. "and they all vote for who their paster tells them to." And do not forget that the republicans were able to make a deserter GWB out to be a war hero, and made a real war hero Kerry into a veteran hater. The republicans are tricky. I hope McCain does not win. But I am definatly not going to count the Republicans out until the election is over.
- mattmollysdad, on 05/16/2008, -3/+4hhhhhhhhhhaaa hahahaha! that was great. another wasted story on digg.
- highkarate, on 05/16/2008, -6/+4Of course an article detailing what Obama endorser Louis Farrakhan has said will not make Digg
- malex, on 05/16/2008, -1/+4Probably because Obama has publicly denounced Farrakhan and rejected his support.
Did McCain do that to Hagee? No? Well okay then. - whalt, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2There is a big difference between a sought out endorsement and an unsought one.
- malex, on 05/16/2008, -1/+4Probably because Obama has publicly denounced Farrakhan and rejected his support.
- Logisti, on 05/16/2008, -2/+4This is okay. McCain already said he's against anything that's anti-anything so even when the white supremacists come out to endorse him he can gladly accept their endorsement without criticizing them at all, since everyone knowns he's against anything that's anti-anything.
- SubjectiveC, on 05/16/2008, -1/+2Is this guy speaking through an electrolarynx?
- masterm1nd, on 05/16/2008, -1/+3Remember now, when you have two contradicting conspiracy theories, you have to pick one and stick with it.
- RationalXubrnce, on 05/16/2008, -2/+4 I don't get what's being implied here, am I now supposed to infer the John McCain might be anti semitic? The John McCain with the Jewish wife who is an ardent backer of Israel at all costs. That John McCain?
- ZeRux, on 05/16/2008, -3/+1Do Scientologists actually believe in their crap about Xenu? No, but they have other motives. Same with GOP haters on digg and this story.
- Lamadave222, on 05/16/2008, -8/+4Hmm. I believe the difference between Hagee and Wright is this. NO CANDIDATE WAS SITTING IN HAGEE'S CHURCH FOR 22 YEARS AND MCCAIN DID NOT GIVE HIM $40,000 IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. Oh and in case you forgot, you communists, it was Democrat Hillary Clinton who publicized Wright (actually he publicized himself) and McCain who said don't use Wright as a campaign backdrop. Maybe we can form a coalition government and you can take over the media outlets....oh wait you have already done the latter. Elect a socialist, we can all be poor but equal then.
- KegBol, on 05/20/2008, -0/+1Communists? ***** hell, this isn't the 70's.
- otis80hobson, on 05/16/2008, -3/+3He preaches a lot of the Old Testament. If he was a Christian, he would know that when Jesus came, God created a new covenant, and the old one went away. Don't ask me for the verse ref, i can't remember that.
The Old Testament is good to show that Jesus was the messiah prophesied centuries ago. The Old Testament is no longer a reference for Christian living. Jesus did not promote eye for an eye; as Jesus taught, it's give up a jacket if you have two, or give a loaf of bread to someone when they have none. Jesus would not be judging anyone of another faith; Jewish, Buddhist, Taoist, Atheist, Norse Polytheistic, Wiccan, ..., FSMist, .... "Love everyone" was his motto.- toowired77, on 05/17/2008, -2/+0Finally!!!!!!! Teach Christ, not religion.....
- MacBigot, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2You REALLY need to learn more about the New Testament before posting more opinions on what it says.
- malex, on 05/16/2008, -2/+4Hagee's warmongering theology is creepy and weird, and yes, we should be concerned about his support for McCain, but he didn't call jews subhuman.
Buried as inaccurate.- theocracylooms, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1According to experts in the field of anti-Semitism, Hagee did just that :
Hagee claims Jews have 'special' souls - specially cursed by God and doomed to be forced, by God, towards a 'special' Jewish homeland.
- theocracylooms, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1According to experts in the field of anti-Semitism, Hagee did just that :
- falafelkiosken, on 05/16/2008, -2/+3what a douche
- Midtowner, on 05/16/2008, -1/+2Guilt by association political "news" drive bys have to be the lamest form of political attack ever. Hagee is as irrelevant to my opinion on John McCain as Wright is to my opinion of Obama. That said, this sort of attack has the strong potential to backfire on Obama supporters.
I was hoping that an Obama/McCain election would be a little higher-minded than what we are used to, but I guess we just have different candidates backed by the same political hacks we normally have. Disappointing. - Infidelcastr0, on 05/16/2008, -2/+7Dear God, Yaweh, Jehovah, Allah, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Whoever...... save me from all these idiots that believe in you and their mindless eternal holy wars.
- tehmacuser, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2RAmen.
- NelsonR, on 05/16/2008, -3/+2Republicans live by the premise, money is the root to power and glory. They are the current money exchangers and Hagee should acknowledge and agree that the Hebrew faith and Republicanism are two twins in the same pot. In other words Evangelicals, including Hagee have much in common with what they denounce.
Hagee is quite the bad boy who needs to rethink his rhetoric.- thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2Republicanism has nothing to do with the current batch of Zionist Christian neocons that make up the Republican party elite.
Republicanism is about is about liberty and self government:
"The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave .... The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible ...." -George Washington - MacBigot, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3On average, Democrats are financially more well off than Republicans. Look it up.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -3/+2Republicanism has nothing to do with the current batch of Zionist Christian neocons that make up the Republican party elite.
- lazydrumhead, on 05/16/2008, -4/+4guilt by association, yay.
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