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Greg Mitchell: The Debate: A Shameful Night for the U.S. Med

huffingtonpost.com — The Clinton Obama debate was completely void of good journalistic features -- poor questions, biased, just silly.

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  • DinosWillDie13, on 04/17/2008, -2/+23I wish the MSM would get there heads out of their asses and start focusing on what candidates a trying to do on their campaigns and not what mistakes they made. All it is managing to do is drag America's view of politicians into the dirt.
    • Dewhead, on 04/17/2008, -2/+5There has been a ton of debates so I think everyone knows where they stand on the issues. Look at it this way, it was good practice for what will come up during the general.
  • okayokayokay, on 04/17/2008, -0/+44The entire first half was nothing but a whole goddamn hour of gotcha games and gaffe dissection.
    At least George Stephanopolis stopped short of masturbating on the constitution. That shows class, my friend.
    • rangermatt, on 04/17/2008, -0/+6Well you don't know what he was doing under that desk...
    • Michael9636, on 08/04/2008, -1/+2George Stephanopolis made a complete ass of himself. I could not believe some of the incredibly biased garbage that came out of his mouth in his attempt to torpedo Obama. I used to like George. No more.
  • Vohu, on 04/17/2008, -4/+28Maybe the electorate will recognize this debate as nothing but a poorly disguised character assassination attempt on Obama and will punish Hillary severely for this. Even if that doesn't occur I have further reason to completely disregard ABC as a news source the same way I disregard Fox News.
    • Michael9636, on 08/04/2008, -1/+2I fully agree. The first hour of this "debate" was not a "debate." It was a full-on character assassination attack on Obama by the two ABC idiots and Clinton. This guilt by association thing is getting really tiring. I have never been so disappointed in ABC. When did ABC become a subsidiary of FOX? It will be a cold day in a very warm place before I ever again waste my time watching anything on ABC.
      • SamCatLu, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1...and you disregard FOXNews because they don't subscribe the the conservative=idiot philosophy found on the other MSM outlets? Studies have shown FOXNews IS the most objective (comparing positive -vs- negative stories on ALL the candidates). I doubt that fact matters though as long as Howard Dean directs the flock to dispise FOXNews.
    • SamCatLu, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2But I do agree - how could anyone justify allowing a former Clinton staffer to moderate a debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? Does ABC even know what bias is or does it depend on what the definition of the word is is?
  • JoanDark, on 04/17/2008, -5/+10And HIMSELF, with his glasses sitting on end of his pert nose.Silly!
    And the readings from the Constitution starting each segment.TCH! Tacky.
    Barack displayed his complete cool, as usual.not like THIS supporter, who was cursing the air blue.
    I HOPE there will never be another debate until the McCain/Obama debates.

    PS:Did ya notice they put base on Hellary so her face was as red as her neck gets?
    And who ELSE had make-up on, in the clip tonight?Mr McCain! Great idea!He was nice & rosey, didnt look like a dead man.Except for gray circles under his eyes...
    • JavertHolmes, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2This is a funny post, but your sense of humour is unfortunately far too subtle to be noticed by the greater Digg population.
    • mozert, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2MAN, you are hillaryous LOL.
    • mal1964, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3"Barack displayed his complete cool"
      "I would not be standing here if it were not for this Country"
      -BO-
    • JointVenture, on 04/17/2008, -5/+2Oh really? Obama did well tonight?

      If he had you wouldnt be bleeding from your anus. I had a blast reading the Hattington post comments.
      • juanchopancho, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Hattington. That was soooo witty.
  • caponumen, on 04/17/2008, -19/+9Ha ha suckers, where where you when they where doing this to the other candidates such as RP?
    It must be a fair process for ALL, not just your hero of the moment......
    • MacEnvy, on 04/17/2008, -1/+7You'll have to point me to the Republican debate where they spent two hours railroading RP, because I watched all of them and never saw that happen. They did ignore him a lot, but that's not really the same thing.
      • Bagos1, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1The real issue I have is the continued existence of these alleged news medias through the stupidity of viewers who continue to watch them. Everybody complains that there is no content...but they keep watching. They are the consumer!
  • RedPhalanx, on 04/17/2008, -22/+4Look MSM: Either start worshiping St. Obama or get out of the way.
  • lollypopz, on 04/17/2008, -3/+2*devoid
  • rjghwruigvyoy, on 04/17/2008, -11/+4F@#$ THE RIAA!!!
  • Trav3133, on 04/17/2008, -5/+2THE BDSM needs to get its head out of its ass.
    • Bagos1, on 04/17/2008, -0/+5No....the consumers do...stop watching them.
    • marabout40, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1That's the ticket. Stop watching them. They'll get the message. Much as I love Oprah, I won't be watching ABC anymore.
  • chubbybubba, on 04/17/2008, -0/+23I'm surprised they didn't talk about what their favorite colors were.
    • Bagos1, on 04/17/2008, -0/+8That's for the next debates, when the questions get really tough.
  • chi1thook, on 04/17/2008, -3/+10I personally thought Obama did a good job and gave a honest opinion
  • iwillrefuse, on 04/17/2008, -0/+23Apparently, George got his Dorhn question from SEAN HANNITY.
    Seriously, how impotent are you as a journalist when you have to take inspiration from the guy who beat you up in high school?
    • Michael9636, on 08/04/2008, -0/+1Any "potency" George might have had before last night has completely evaporated. He has no credibility left as an honest, objective journalist. But he could do very well as a Clinton shrill in the remaining days of her fading candidacy.
  • Look4Truth, on 04/17/2008, -0/+14The lamestream media is bought and paid for, when is America going to wake up?
    • JavertHolmes, on 04/17/2008, -6/+3Yeah, luckily we have a non-mainstream medium such as Digg, where we have no special interest groups digging up a bunch of biased political articles to the front page every 12 minutes.
      • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -2/+3You have proof of this, of course?
        • JavertHolmes, on 04/17/2008, -3/+1Pick a random pro-Clinton story that's made it to the front page. Get a list of users who dugg it up.

          Pick another random pro-Clinton story that's made it to the front page, create a second list of users who dugg it up.

          Join the two lists and compare the number of users unique to both lists to the number of users found in both lists. (ie: the intersection of usernames to the negation of the intersection of usernames)

          For a more interesting study, screen out users who have been on digg for less than a year. Let's call the remaining users "veteran" users.

          Compare the average numbers (or ratios) of veteran users who digg up a non-political story to the front page compared to veteran users who digg up a political story to the front page.

          That should give you some signs as to what percent of people are just blindly digging "X good Y bad" political stories to the front page, as well as what percentage of veteran users care.
        • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -1/+4Wow, you mean Obama has some pretty fanatical support? What does that prove, you *****?
          • JavertHolmes, on 04/17/2008, -4/+1That these stories preach to the choir while the choir doesn't grow.

            The rest of us are left outside the church going "Cool music, but I'd rather listen to the radio/mp3 player/etc."
          • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -1/+3So where do you suppose all the diggs are coming from?

            In fact, don't even answer.
          • JavertHolmes, on 04/17/2008, -3/+1As stated above, the choir.
      • mozert, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3Here is another one who wants to know whether the egg or the chicken comes first. So is it biased because it is dugg up or is it dugg up because it is biased?
        • JavertHolmes, on 04/17/2008, -3/+4It's dugg up because there's a set of people on digg (in any topic: Apple versus Microsoft, Xbox versus Playstation, etc) who interpret headlines as a vote as opposed to something to read and think about. The simpler the headline, the faster the vote.

          If there's a "Xbox 360 sucks and this page proves it" headline, people will bury or digg it accordingly without even considering the content of the article. It's not so much a reflection of the quality of the article as it is an indication that there's more xbox 360 lovers to digg it up than xbox 360 haters who hate it enough to bury the article.

          So it's not a question of "is it dugg up because it's biased" or vice-versa, it's "it's dugg up because enough people agree without considering the argument [the article] as opposed to the conclusion [the headline]."
        • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -3/+6Oh Javert, no matter which way you spin it you won't convince anyone that something sinister or unethical is going on.

          People like Obama. So shove it up your ass.
        • mozert, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2"it's dugg up because enough people agree without considering the argument [the article] as opposed to the conclusion [the headline]."... and which way is *the good* way to digg an *item*?
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  • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -3/+7Already the wingnuts are trying to act as if this wasn't a total farce. Despite all their complaints about the "MSM", wingnuts will gladly take the side of stupid media if it means more support.
  • Thumper13, on 04/17/2008, -0/+30How George Stephanopoulos was allowed to moderate this thing...absolutely ridiculous.
    Slight conflict of interest there.
    Sad day for the MSM....really embarrassing.
    • gwhardyiv, on 04/17/2008, -0/+5His completely off-topic interjection of the Dorhn question, promptly followed by the smirking and clearly rehearsed response from Clinton made me want to shoot my television. I've never seen such shameless collusion. Clinton and Stephanopoulos might as well have high-fived each other. Barry handled it quite well, considering the fact that it was more of a political trap than an honest debate.
    • IADTatami, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3It might have been worse. They could have had Carville moderate.
  • jhails, on 04/17/2008, -0/+7If you could be any kind of tree, what tree would you be?
    Whats your favorite color?
    Boxers or briefs or thong?
    • bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Oak
      black
      commando
    • pintomp3, on 04/17/2008, -0/+4do you like diamonds or pearls?

      crap, that was a real question in a real debate. ugh..
  • bingobongony, on 04/17/2008, -13/+3Come on! Surely even the dumb ***** of huffington post must realize how hilarious it is for THEM to be talking about what makes good journalism.

    That is like Isiah Thomas talking about what makes a good NBA coach/GM/president.
    • JointVenture, on 04/17/2008, -3/+4Wasnt that fun tonight.

      I thought I was watching stuttering john.
    • Vige, on 04/17/2008, -1/+6Must be a McCain supporter because that is what McCain calls his wife.
  • Vileputrid, on 04/17/2008, -2/+5Agreed. Who cares about Bosnia or Obama's poor - and idiotic - wording?
    This soap opera is dragging on for too long.
    • bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Agreed.

      Campaigning for office shouldn't start 24 months before the election. Especially when it takes you away from the job you were elected to do.
  • Trojan, on 04/17/2008, -0/+12The next debate will be moderated by Maury Povich and Ricky Lake. Might make it more reputable. "Oh you best get yoself an education and a job, girl" "Barack Obama is NOT the father."
    • iliveiniraq, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0well put Trojan. Jerry Springer could help ABC gain some integrity too 'i hope we've all learned something here today'
  • mal1964, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1
    6/22/06 Vote 182: S 2766: This amendment called on the president to withdraw troops from Iraq, but set no firm deadline. Yes No Yes
    6/22/06 Vote 181: S 2766: This amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill would have set a firm deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. No No No
    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/member ...
    • mal1964, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/member ...
      • p0s3r, on 04/17/2008, -2/+16/22/06 Vote 181: S 2766: Kerry Amdt. No. 4442; To require the redeployment of United States Armed Forces from Iraq in order to further a political solution in Iraq, encourage the people of Iraq to provide for their own security, and achieve victory in the war on terror. No No No
        LOL Barry sucks.
        6/29/06 Vote 190: S 3569: S.3569; A bill to implement the United States-Oman Free Trade Agreement. Yes Yes No
        Barry voted yes for free trade in Oman, but doesn't want it in Columbia? Odd.

        Vote 219: S 3711: S. 3711; Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 No Yes No
        I thought Barry wanted energy independence... why would he vote no on that bill... hrmmm...

        3/14/08 Vote 82: S CON RES 70: DeMint Amdt. No. 4339; To provide for a deficit-neutral reserve fund for providing an above the line Federal income tax deduction for individuals purchasing health insurance outside the workplace. No Yes No
        Why would that ***** vote no on me getting a tax break on buying my own health insurance? Doesn't he want me to be covered?

        2/12/08 Vote 20: S 2248: S.2248 as Amended; FISA Amendments Act of 2007 Not Voting Yes No
        I wonder why he didn't vote on that one.... odd.

        Just looking at BHO's record. That dude is a liar and he sucks.


  • p0s3r, on 04/17/2008, -8/+1I liked the part when Obama stole Hillary's gun rights answer almost word for word. I guess Patrick Duval hasn't given a speech on gun control yet.
    • myxodextoxmaybe, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1They both actually stole it from Howard Dean's 2004 campaign....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/16/ ...
    • insomniac8400, on 04/17/2008, -0/+5And being democrats, a lot of their opinions should be very similar if not the same. That's why we don't need any more democratic debates. And that is why this debate was turned into a circus. Hillary loses because she isn't credible. Obama wins because he is our best chance at change. No debate needed.
  • zephyear, on 04/17/2008, -1/+22BARACK OBAMA DO YOU LOVE THE AMERICAN FLAG

    man i bet he was wanting to say "bitch, what"
    • SaperKain, on 04/17/2008, -1/+7Yeah I mean what a drive-by that was. Just come out of the closet ABC and let Rush Limbaugh ask those questions personally.
      • bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -1/+3It's the AIPAC network. What to you expect?
    • IADTatami, on 04/17/2008, -1/+3They might as well have asked him "DO YOU LOVE JESUS?"

      Just pathetic.
    • iliveiniraq, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0hilarious zephyear
  • bbouton, on 04/17/2008, -0/+9The Penn “debate” was a 5 on 1 basketball game with ABC, Charles, George, Hillary and the absent McCain all ganging up on Obama trying to kneecap him ala Tonya Harding--but Obama deftly side-stepped their absurd flagpin and Weatherman attacks and outplayed their rag-tag team with deft layups and jump shots--check the polls on NBC, CBS and even ABC--the people know the score--70% say Obama won the Ball game and only 30% say Hillary won. Negative, demeaning attacks that avoid the real issues this country faces will only score more points for Obama--the people are speaking--they say Obama won the debate, that Obama is more electable and that Hillary is clearly more untrustworthy!
  • yellowcakewalk, on 04/17/2008, -0/+6Wednesday nite: We pimpslapped all the lamestream media talking heads as they came pouring out of the Hinkley Hilton on Connecticut Ave NW tonight from the WH Press Corps banquet plutocratic thingie. CODEPINK and yellowcakewalk.net protesters demanded answers to hard questions from the likes of Wolfe Aipac Blitzer and Jim avoid-the-most-important-questions Lehrer. Vids up soon check back at yellowcakewalk.net

    Yours truly received a minor assault from an Israeli mole that was at the banquet, who became upset when confronted with the fact that Israeli spies Douglas Feith and Richard Perle were just the tip of the iceberg.
    • minox, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3You must check your closet at night for Jews.
  • Vige, on 04/17/2008, -0/+16The most disgusting 2 hours of TV in the last 30 years.
  • JointVenture, on 04/17/2008, -7/+1It was a hoot watching Obama stutter and shutter. What did we learn?

    He cant win the general election.

    Watching the obama fans bleed has been a treat.

    You guys are losing your minds, I wouldnt be surprised if San fran caught on fire tonight.
    • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1"He cant win the general election"

      Keep saying it, it might come true!
      • JointVenture, on 04/17/2008, -3/+1Its real simple, the obamabots wouldnt be going so crazy if they werent scared.

        Its so ***** obvious to anyone not emotionally invested in the guy.
    • insomniac8400, on 04/17/2008, -0/+5Anyone can beat McCain. Even Hillary. McCain just like Hillary wants to spout change, but has years of history to prove they will never do anything. But Hillary has the good times of the 90s to ride on. McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Obama is hope for real change. He can easily walk over McCain or Hillary. Actually has already walked over Hillary, the race for her ended in February.
      • JointVenture, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1You mean the guy that KERRY asked to be VP?
    • IADTatami, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2This wasn't a debate, it was a blanket party.
      • JointVenture, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Why wasnt it? Because of Stephy? Well guess what, Oberman mediated a debate and he's in the tank for Obama. So is chris matthews.

        In fact a few of Obamas campaign staff are former Clinton employees, should we dismiss everything they say?

        Just because someone asks questions you dont want to hear doesnt mean they arent fair.
  • nastronomical, on 04/17/2008, -10/+1Liberal media asking Obama hard questions?? LOL dream the ***** on. Thats why they are avoiding fox. Obama knows his ass will get destroyed by real questions.
    • SaperKain, on 04/17/2008, -0/+5Like what? Care to give an example. I know you are just a troll with no brain but please try to respond.
  • travmatron86, on 04/17/2008, -0/+15This was not a debate, it was mindless propaganda meant to distract the viewers from actual issues by directing their attention toward pointless non-issues such as "whether or not Barack Obama is unamerican because he doesn't always wear his American flag pin". If this debate wasn't enough of a wake up to the American people that television is no longer informing but instead brainwashing them, then Americans don't deserve to live in anything but the Orwellian Big-Brother police state they're quickly settling into.
  • minox, on 04/17/2008, -8/+4You can't blame the media for this. When two candidates run on nearly identical platforms, these secondary issues enter the fore. The fighting between Clinton and Obama camps has primarily concerned personality. You get what you vote for.
    • Drogoganor, on 04/17/2008, -4/+8You wingnuts can justify any ***** to yourselves.
      • minox, on 04/17/2008, -5/+3No. I just gave you a reason why all this stupid crap is entering the race. It is just a combination of nearly identical platforms (with the exception of healthcare, which won't matter because neither plan has the chance of becoming law) and identity politics.
      • inajeep, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1You really should ease up on the 'wingnuts' comment. It makes you seem autistic. Here's an idea, instead of using perceived derogatory name calling, try resorting to bigger words that are backed up by facts to win an argument. I kinda agree with minox even though at some previous junction I blocked him. :-
    • SaperKain, on 04/17/2008, -1/+5Look at this smug *****. I read Bill Buckley’s books and you sir are no Buckley. You are just an embarrassment.
      • bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2I LIKED Buckley! He was a conservative I could respect!

        Unlike this last generation of them.

        NeoCons aren't conservative. They just wear the banner to fool the suckers.
    • minox, on 04/17/2008, -5/+3Thanks for two non-substantive responses.
    • pintomp3, on 04/17/2008, -0/+6these are not secondary issues, they aren't issues at all. there are some substantial differences between hillary and barack, but they don't bother talking about them. the biggest one is her vote for the war in iraq and her vote for the kyle/lieberman bill, paving the way for a war with iran. she also voted against banning the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. these issues are a hell of a lot more important than lapel pins.
  • eclectro, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3You know, I can't digg this article, even though I want to, because I did not watch the debate. Because i knew it would turn out to be a waste of time with shrill Clinton digging up horse-crap about something other than health care, corporatism, or when the war is going to end, or high oil prices. I really couldn't give a flying funk about the weather underground. If I wanted to visit the early seventies I'd dig out my vinyl records and play them.
    People of Pennsylvania, please don't vote for the candidate who feels like she has to dig up the weather underground in order to win an election. It is in fact voting for someone who is desperately trolling at this point. It's embarrassing that she is getting any votes at all.
  • xxx19826, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3Biased is the word to describe ABC debate,very much pro Clinton in every step and way.
  • pintomp3, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3i can't believe hillary pulled a guiliani by trying to claim wright blamed america for 9/11. it's called blowback, bitch.
    • p0s3r, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2Wright did blame America for 9/11. "It's called blowback bitch". And so are you.
      • pintomp3, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2he said it was a result of our foreign policy. he's right.
  • Magus416, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Wow, someone already wrote up a section on George Stephanopoulos' wikipedia entry about the debate
  • OfNumbers, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1I know it's irrelevant to even mention, but,

    "Why didn't every other responsible journalist on TV?"

    Well, I thought Bill O'Reilly, Meredith "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" Whatever, and other news casters didn't even have any certifications in reporting? They just got lucky high paying jobs cause they were used to TV time.
  • Gemfinder, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2About 15 Obama supporters and 2 Hillaryites watched the debate at a pizza party in my town tonight. Pretty good turnout considering it was a last-minute notice.
    No, it didn't devolve into a fistfight. But after the first round of questions about the various gaffes and missteps bullshoi, they went to commercial and we exploded with fierce discourse. Not "I'm better than you" childishness, but "WHEN THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO LET THAT GO AND CONCENTRATE ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT?!?!!?!" I was so angry about it that I was slapping the table and snarling full blast about that grade-school nonsense. Pretty much everyone else agreed with me, and for the rest of the debate we gave Mssrs. Gibson and Stephanopolous our famous Oregonian scowl-and-armfold maneuvre.
    I do admit that it got a little better. And Barack staunchly refused to play their game, at one point giving Mr. Gibson a look that fairly shouted, "Don't be ridiculous." But ridiculous they were. I'm surprised they didn't give them a fluff question to end the night out with.
    Enough already. Debates shouldn't be happening in the networks, except perhaps C-SPAN and/or PBS. And let's throw the journalist moderators out; I want to see a debate moderated by law professors, educators and scholars. In short, people whose job it is to study government, politics and legislation. This is one of the reasons our government is in the shape it's in: they're treating it like the Superbowl and soap operas.
  • Popperian, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1It doesn't matter ... I don't personally watch anymore and can't help believing that people turning to the net and dumping the TV is a trend.

    Large U.S. monopolies, virtually all of whom have conflicts of interest in their parent companies control U.S. media. What else would anyone expect?
  • lderks, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2This debate showed again the true ugly colors of Hillary Clinton. She will do whatever it takes. It was almost disgusting to see how she could ignore Obama's answers and repeat her spin on events. In doing so acknowledging her complete disrespect for Obama and acknowledging that she can't be trusted to be objective. It also showed that she is more worried about her own interest rather than the people's interest by playing along with this character attack game.

    It was clear that the first half hour of attacks on Obama's character took a lot of his energy and I was impressed that he kept his composure and kept on answering the questions seriously.
  • Gemfinder, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3P.S.: Kudos to Hillary for the "Dick Cheney is the fourth branch of government" quip :)
  • iliveiniraq, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Thank you to everyone who has called out this charade for what it is. Helps me believe Americans want accountability for real, life and death, issues that our leaders should be discussing. ABC and other MSM outlets obviously could care less. Hey CG and Snuffalupagus, while you're at it, shouldn't you be asking about polygamists in Texas or Ashlee Simpson being prego? - Kadamiyah, Iraq
  • 140Suffolk, on 04/17/2008, -3/+2What are you people afraid of? Obama, when he thought no one was listening, displayed his contempt for working Americans at a speech he made to millionaires in San Francisco. We DO think this is important.

    Obama likes to spend Sundays listening to anti-white, anti-American hate speeches. Then lies about it. We DO think this is important.

    Obama has a come-over-and-bring-the-wife-for-barbecues friendship with a terrorist bomber from the 60s! We DO think that's important too.
    • porcupus, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1What are you people afraid of?
      I'm afraid of our economic crisis that has no end in sight.
      I'm afraid of our disgustingly poor foreign policy
      I'm afraid of our new views on torture
      I'm afraid of our Oil war that has only increased the amount of anti-american views in a turmoil filled middle east that now has nations reaching nuclear goals.
      I'm afraid of an everlasting presence in the middle east that will never end, which also (if you know history) was one of the biggest reasons the US was attacked on 9/11.
      I'm afraid of a media that can only provide information on useless topics in order to draw in more viewers.
      I'm afraid of people like you who are more involved in what Britney is doing than looking into the issues that this country faces now.
      I'm afraid of our corrupt govt. that tends to side with the rich and the well connected all the while dragging the middle class and poor through the mus, at our expense.
      I'm afraid of the housing crisis, and it's effect on the dollar and the new movement to the petro-euro.

      Call me crazy, but in no way does Obama's statements about the average person clinging to the only issues that this government allows them to change, make him elite. This makes him more real.

      Most churches were built on fear and hate. In actuality Wrights statements are dead on (minus the aids comment). We were attacked because we are funding way too many shady groups in the middle east. We also built up the iraq guard in the 80's only to turn on them when they used our weapons and tactics we trained them to use on the kurds.
      If you think the U.S. is filled with peaches and creme, than more power to you, but you are wrong. Ignorance is bliss.

      Go on America, keep wondering what tie Obama is going t wear, at least there is a majority that cares about issues.

    • olbap, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Just because someone dissents, does not mean they are anti-American. F U you generalizing moron....
  • apjoseph, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Is there a link to a video for this debate, or a torrent ?

    Thanks
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