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  • thejoshuablog, on 06/12/2008, -38/+271This newest lunacy from the right -- that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. & is lying about his middle name -- shows just how desperate the wackos are. None of the usual stuff is sticking so they're left with this silliness.

    Check out Obama's news anti-smear site, Fight the Smears: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesme ...

    Obama isn't your old DLC Democratic Party.
    • QuadZeroRoute, on 06/12/2008, -64/+8As far as his online birth certificates go...I've seen three of them so far and they all look alike except for the name and religious status. One has the middle names of "Muhammad Hussein" with the religion of Muslim so which one is the right one? Does he also have the middle name of Muhammad and it is only now be released?
      • swrostmore, on 06/13/2008, -7/+51I'd say the "right one" is the one thats posted on his campaign website, and the fake ones are on right-wing smear websites. Scumbag.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -2/+19The funny thing is that, even though the name "Muhammad" would have even more non-Muslim American heads turning then "Hussein" does, he'd have less to "answer for" if it was his real middle name, because it's believed to the single most common name in the world, at some 15 million bearers.

        As for "with the religion of Muslim"… yes, his father was Muslim. I'm afraid this does not magically make Obama some kind of permanent genetic Muslim, forever unable to be Christian.
        • AugustusOsari, on 06/13/2008, -0/+6What?! You shouldn't label your children with religion, and if you do you shouldn't expect it to stick without mentally abusing them with indoctrination?!

          I never would have guessed!
      • Gerz1219, on 06/13/2008, -2/+15If that were the case, do you really think Hillary Clinton wouldn't have brought it up during the 16 MONTH primary process?! Let alone during his Senate run. This rumor is particularly irksome because it's so flatly implausible. Birth certificates are public documents and every presidential candidate is vetted thoroughly by their opponents' team. If there was any truthful nuclear piece of opposition research floating around, the Clintons would have raised it long before they spent $150 million campaigning against him.
      • feliks2, on 06/13/2008, -1/+9Not only is this completely improbable as so many people are pointing out, but its also completely irrelevent. Who cares if hes a Chrisian, a Muslim, a Buddhist or atheist? And who cares if hes black, white, or Arabic, or Asian? How does that change anything?
        • AugustusOsari, on 06/13/2008, -7/+5Welcome to Amerikkka.
        • Muyoso, on 06/13/2008, -6/+2Augustus is a douchey *****, but to answer your question, its to prove he is actually ABLE to run for president. Remember when DailyKos was questioning just a few short weeks ago whether McCain was a true US citizen because he was born on a military base in a foreign country? Oh, amazing, you dont remember that *****?
        • AugustusOsari, on 06/13/2008, -1/+7Muyoso, he was referring to a post which said that there were three birth certificates in circulation, two of which claimed falsehoods about his religion and so on.

          His religion, his middle name, and, hell, EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM other than where he was born is irrelevant to what you just claimed to be the reason. Were you paying any attention at all?
      • flintmecha, on 06/13/2008, -0/+10Why would a birth certificate have religion on it? That's a crock of *****.
      • PhantomPhoenix, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1Ummm....that's funny because BIRTH CERTIFICATES DON'T HAVE RELIGION ON THEM (at least in this country).
    • QuadZeroRoute, on 06/12/2008, -24/+5I am so sick of this ***** up Digg comment system! I just commented and the comment disappeared.....I will reload the page in five minutes and it will reappear! Go figure.
      • CannedMango, on 06/13/2008, -2/+39You know who wasn't born in the US?

        John McCain.

        Though I'm not going to suddenly attempt to argue that he isn't eligible for President (he is), I'm just pointing out that people don't know half the ***** they should know and almost none of the ***** they claim to know.
        • bagelmaster, on 06/13/2008, -0/+19Yeah, I'm sick of ignorant people in general. For the uninformed: the US has bases all around the world. If a person is born to military parents while on one of these bases, they are given the normal automatic US citizenship and are eligible to someday run for president. I was born in Berlin, Germany myself, and it annoys me to no end to see people spreading things to the likes of "if you aren't born in the States you aren't eligible for president."

          /vent
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -0/+6Amen, bagelmaster.

          I could be wrong, but growing up in the Army, I was always under the assumption that if you were born to American parents, while they served overseas, you were not "naturalized", but were simply an American citizen.

          There was never any requirement to submit paperwork, or anything like that. If you were born to people serving in the military, your birth certificate was basically American, and you were already an American citizen. When your parents applied for a social security number or a passport for you, it was no different than someone in Kansas or Iowa.
      • starsarebent, on 06/13/2008, -2/+1Prepare to digg me down...

        ... I hate Obama. I hate Clinton. I hate Bush. I hate McCain. I hate the way our government and media is manipulating the people.

        Are you people this ***** stupid? Do all of you really ***** think that if your favorite candidate gets elected that there will be change?!?! God DAMN you're a bunch of ***** retards if you think that. Everybody vote Mickey-*****-Mouse and nothing will change.

        Why do candidates spend millions upon millions of dollars to get elected and make $150k a year? HELLO?! So that they can fulfill their own personal agenda and pass stupid ***** laws that make them millions.
        • Lenoxus, on 06/15/2008, -1/+0So if politicians are *always* wrong, by virtue of being politicians… why be cynical about it? How could they possibly prove you wrong? Your very last point is an interesting one, with its assumption that, at the end of the day, people only ever do things for money. OK then, if that's the nature of people, how can you blame them for it?
    • chambana, on 06/13/2008, -3/+34Especially when McCain was really born in Panama albeit virtual U.S. soil but still.
      • fallen1004, on 06/13/2008, -9/+24McCain is NOT a natural born citizen. He was naturalized (became a citizen by act of law).

        All those conservatives who claim to read the Constitution strictly seem to bend their own ***** rules on this one.


        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -0/+31I think this one is a grey area. I grew up in the Army. I was born in Alabama, so it doesn't apply to me, but I knew lots of kids growing up who were born in Kaisersluatern (k-town) or Garmisch/Partenkirchen/Berchtesgarden, or other bases around Germany, Italy and even South Korea. As far as I knew, they were born to American Citizens serving overseas and were granted the same natural born citizenship as someone born here in America.

          I don't know the actual legal facts, but I think there are certain laws in place to afford natural born citizenship to children born to service members serving overseas.

          I do know that stories attacking Obama, and trying to paint him as not being born in this country are attempts to preempt the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacks on McCain that will be coming soon to a TV near you. SBVT ads are going to attack McCain for being born in Panama, and they are also going to call him "Song Bird", the name they will claim the other POWs called him because he supposedly sang like a bird without even being tortured by his North Vietnamese captors.

          Obama's middle name is, in fact, Hussein. But that is a non-sequitor, because he is not a muslim, he is a christian. Remember how Hillary and the media made a big deal about Rev. Wright???? McCain was not born on US soil. Neither of these issues should have any traction among intelligent people. Vote for the candidate whose issues are in line with your needs and ideas about where this country needs to be.

          I was talking to a second cousin at a wedding last weekend who actually took Hillary's subtle suggestion about assassination and was worried that if Obama were elected, he could be assassinated and that would cause rioting in the streets of every american city, and it would tear America apart. I tried to convince him that Obama is not Martin Luther King, and that the Secret Service is pretty sharp and it would be nearly impossible to successfully assassinate ANY sitting president under their watch. I described the motorcades I've seen while working downtown, less than 100 yards from the white house, how there are 4 or 5 armored Chevey Blazers with agents carrying mp5's and m16's, and 2 armored limousines, one a decoy, the other carrying the president, and how they close down streets along the planned travel route, and that the only way a president could be assassinated anymore would be for someone close to him to do it, because they are the only ones who can get close to him without secret service oversight. But he didn't want to hear it. He was convinced that it was going to happen, and it would cause rioting all across america.

          We need to stop being stupid, and focus on issues, ideas, and tangible plans. All this idiotic speculation and fear mongering and mud slinging ***** doesn't serve anyone but the two-party system. Vote issues, not emotions.
        • noahhoward, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2Theres a lot of confusin back and forth but from what I can tell, if you are born overseas on a military or diplomatic installation you are a natural born US citizen. If you are born to American citizens overseas you are not a born citizen but a naturalized citizen.

          If I'm reading everything right, McCain qualifies for president, but, luckily for all of you, I don't (born to a military father in a civilian hospital in Britain).

        • NoStoppingUs, on 06/13/2008, -25/+3uhhhh...do you guys realize the difference between birth CERTIFICATION and birth CERTIFICATE?

          clearly you dont.

          here's a quote from the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands site:

          "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

          so what do we have here? obama is blatantly lying about what this document is. a certification of birth is much less detailed than a birth certificate. you've all been had.

          marked as INACCURATE

          and whats with the date stamp on the back? hmmmmmm...obviously, obamas hiding something here, and you guys know it, so you're trying to pass this off as the real deal when everyone knows it's not. mwahahahahahahaha.

          he was either born in hawaii before it was a state, his parents werent married so he's not providing his birth certificate, or his name isnt barack hussein obama. BUSTED!
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -1/+18Nostoppingus,

          Hawaii became a state in 1959.

          Obama was born in 1961.

          See the reality now? Do you?

          He was born in a ratified sate.

          McCain is another story, he was born in Panama. Yet, we intelligent folks realize that he was born in Panama to American Citizens serving in an official capacity. So we are not trying to claim McCain is not a US Citizen.

          Dude, go and take one of those online IQ tests. You don't have to disclose your low score to us, but it might help you to understand that you need to shut the ***** up because you are going to score an IQ lower than 100.

          Just go take an online IQ test. You need to understand how dumb you are. Seriously, I'm not trying to insult you, I'm only trying to protect you from your own stupidity.
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1noahhoward, you may know better than me, considering your experience, but I don't think the cutoff is being born on a miltary base. I can imagine all sorts of scenarios where service members cannot reach a US military hospital in time to give birth, and where they end up in a local hospital. I don't believe that means anything as far as you being a natural born citizen.

          If you were born in any hospital, whether US military or local German, but your parents were just "expats", that might mean you would need to be "naturalized", but I think, at least in my own understanding, that if your parents were stationed in Germany, and your mother gave birth to you ANYWHERE (what if she believed in home birth???), then you are technically a natural born citizen.
        • Muyoso, on 06/13/2008, -9/+2@ PhilLesh69

          GOD I hope you are right, and I hope that the liberals go after McCain with that Songbird nonsense. That will PISS of so many Americans, and will turn them against Obama BIGTIME. Trying to parade ***** and diminish the service that McCain has given to this country, wow I hope Obama is that stupid.

        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4muyoso, it will not be Obama supporters attacking McCain.

          The "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" group is an unaffilliated organization that has it's own agenda.

          I don't think Obama is going to try to diminish McCain's service. I think they will always respect his service as an airman who was shot down and captured. I don't think they want to even raise it as an issue, in fact. They might want to minimize it, prevent people from hearing about it.

          But I have read that the same people who, ironically, undermined John Kerrey, are going to undermine John McCain.

          Maybe these Vietnam Vets have a totally different way of viewing politics. Maybe they don't care if Obama wins, they just have an intellectually honest position where they do not want McCain to win. Maybe they were offended by McCain when he used to be a "maverick" but suddenly supported Bush in 2005, like they had read him the riot act.

          Who knows.
        • Tzvi, on 06/13/2008, -2/+1If being born on a base is enough to become a natural born citizen, then why aren't there cases of people sneaking onto bases in order to have their children become American? In some countries, that would be a parent's biggest dream for their children.
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1Tzvi, probably because there are armed soldiers guarding military installations.

          Besides, it isn't the act of giving birth on the base, it is the status of the parents. I'm sure there are cases where a civilian employee goes into labor and is taken to the base hospital and gives birth. I'm pretty sure that doesn't confer any citizenship rights to the baby. Just like I'm sure service member's wives have been off base and gone into labor and gave birth at a local hospital, and I'm sure that because they are on official duty orders overseas, their baby is immediately given natural born citizen status as if they had been born at a military hospital.
        • PhantomPhoenix, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1He is a natural United States citizen by Jus Sanguinis ("the right of blood"). Anyone is a natural born United States citizen if (a) they were born on United States soil ('Jus Soli'), (b) they were born to two United States citizens, or (c) at least one parent is a United States citizen; the last two criterion not needing to be in conjunction with the first.

          I am an avid supporter of Barack Obama, but I feel that as a supporter of such a transcendent politician it is simply my duty to follow that politician's beliefs in clean politics. Shame on you for lowering yourself to John McCain's levels and smearing the circumstances of his birth as they (the Republicans) have smeared the birth of Barack Obama.
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/15/2008, -1/+1PhantomPheonix, it goes well beyond Barack Obama. There are a lot of people who are trying to change politics away from the lies and subterfuge, who hope that we can achieve intellectual honesty in order to have a true democracy instead of this manipulated, public relations driven politics that has only served to put us where we are today.

          In fact, we don't even know if Obama isn't in the pockets of all the same special interests that have been taking us down the wrong road for the last 50+ years. We can hope he isn't, but beyond that, if we just insist on intellectual honesty among the voters and our politicians, we'll eventually get beyond that paradigm.

          We definitely should all stop any speculation about either candidates' birthplace or religion. It doesn't mean anything. What means something is what they say they stand for.

          Although, we have to be sincerely cynical about what either of them claim to stand for. That is the only way we can be informed and intelligent voters. We should all know that any and all politicians will attempt to walk the walk and talk the talk in order to get elected. We need to be careful and decipher their motives and beliefs as best we can, because every politician is trying to tell us what we want to hear.
      • Jibberwalk, on 06/13/2008, -4/+8Right... but both his parents were American. That trumps whatever the hell percieved issue there may or may not be with his location of birth.
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -3/+12Not really. His mother was American, but his father was Kenyan.

          However, his father walked out, and he was raised by his Mother and Grandparents, all Americans.

          Then his mother married an Indonesian, and he moved to Indonesia with his Mother and step-father, for a few years.

          He's still an American, though. He was born here on American soil. He was raised by Americans, for the most part. He went to American schools most of his life, and he attended American universities.

          Being an Army brat, even though I always attended American schools on American soil, I grew up with kids who were born in Germany, or Korea, or Italy, or Japan, who attended DOD schools when they were overseas, so I can tell you that those kids are everything about America. They were raised by service members, after all. I even knew some kids whose parents served in Iran a few years before the student revolution, and their kids attended embassy schools. They are all Americans.

          This whole issue is stupid. We all had to suffer the Reverend Wright mock scandal. Now we're going to worry that he might be a muslim?

          Maybe we should all go and take an online IQ test. If our result is below 90, then we can worry about whether Obama is muslim or if McCain isn't a citizen qualified to be president. If our IQs score in the 110 - 150 range, we can stop worrying about this idiotic ***** and focus on issues and agendas.
        • Jibberwalk, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1That was in reference to John McCain...
      • PhantomPhoenix, on 06/15/2008, -0/+1He is a natural United States citizen by Jus Sanguinis ("the right of blood"). Anyone is a natural born United States citizen if (a) they were born on United States soil ('Jus Soli'), (b) they were born to two United States citizens, or (c) at least one parent is a United States citizen; the last two criterion not needing to be in conjunction with the first.

        I am an avid supporter of Barack Obama, but I feel that as a supporter of such a transcendent politician it is simply my duty to follow that politician's beliefs in clean politics. Shame on you for lowering yourself to John McCain's levels and smearing the circumstances of his birth as they (the Republicans) have smeared the birth of Barack Obama.
    • slvrbullet87, on 06/13/2008, -2/+10Am i the only person who never heard this attack? I have serriously not heard anything about people questioning if obama was born in the US or not. I know people were maknig a deal out of his middle name but not where he was born.
      • theaceoffire, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5It was on Digg, so you might not have heard it if you don't hang out there much.
      • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -0/+6Yeah, this is kind of a new attack.

        Though it is kind of informative, to me at least. I didn't realize he was born in Hawaii. I thought he was born somewhere in the midwest and then moved to Hawaii.

        But it is funny to see idiots claiming that Hawaii isn't America. Having grown up in Hawaii, I know that this is a common misconception, but I just assumed that people have finally realized that since we are a nation of 50 states, they would realize that Hawaii was the 50th state, granted statehood in 1958 and ratified by the states in 1959.
    • TJATL, on 06/13/2008, -26/+5Obama isn't your old Democratic Party? That is the truth! The man has successfully divided the Democratic party. Kind of funny to watch.
      • xgkx, on 06/13/2008, -9/+2 That remains to be seen. I still say he's owned by the corporations.
      • charm803, on 06/13/2008, -2/+6It wasn't him who divided the Democratic party-
        IGNORANT people are dividing the Democratic party.
        • PhilLesh69, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2Ignorant people allow themselves to divides themselves between ANY party.

          Party politics is only about dividing and conquering the voters, and giving power to the two parties.
      • chaosium, on 06/13/2008, -1/+6Republican opinions on the Democratic Party are so preciously ignorant.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0Seriously, who did he think he was, running in the primaries, getting a bunch of votes, and complying with DNC rules?
    • vexingmodstwo, on 06/13/2008, -16/+1This is the first I've heard of this nonsense and I'm from "the right".

      I'm smelling a trumped up rumor on the part of the DailyKos.
      • nblsavage, on 06/13/2008, -0/+11then you obviously didn't look very hard. Type "obama birth certificate" in to the Google.
        • vexingmodstwo, on 06/13/2008, -9/+1After I saw it here I googled it and the top few hits were from DailyKos and Digg and the rest were from obscure far right blogs. OH, I see what's going on here. This is a blog war that NO ONE except for the lunatic fringe on both sides cares about?
        • swicken, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4vexing, if people are saying it then someone needs to refute it.
          It really depends on what you personally view as worse, the people accusing or the people refuting. I personally find the accusers at fault.
    • Muyoso, on 06/13/2008, -15/+3The question that arises from this, is how the ***** did a left wing smear blog get ahold of his birth certificate? The ONLY way they could have gotten hold of it, is if Obama gave it to them, as Hawaii won't give out copies to non-family members. So Obama is using left wing attack blogs to leak information out now? Interesting. . . .
      • p0ss, on 06/13/2008, -1/+5The real question is, why the ***** does a birth certificate need to mention the fathers race?
      • MacEnvy, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5Obama posted it on his website this week to combat the incoherent raving of idiots like you. That's how Kos got it.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0So does Hawaii not allow people to make their own certificates public? I'm serious about that question.
    • airwalkery2k, on 06/13/2008, -0/+11But if you were to lie about your middle name, who wouldn't choose to replace it with "Hussein"?
    • kosser, on 06/13/2008, -9/+4the newest lunacy is that you guys are completely for a candidate that is going to ruin you. i think 10% of you know his policy, and of those 10%, 95% are completely clueless.
      • swicken, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5This seems to be the main stance of republicans arguing right now. 'The only reason you like Obama is because you're uninformed!'
        You guys always fail to mention what McCain would do right.
        • kosser, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1only idiots think there is a left and a right, you are masked by this fake paradigm. mccain would do worse than obama, but this does not make obama good. you guy's are uniformed because you want to be on the winning team, you think you're on the winning team. but like my previous statement said, you have no idea of his policy and his voting record, otherwise you wouldn't vote for someone so ridiculous.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0I once saw a sci-fi movie (I'll be vague so as not to give away which) where, right towards the end, one of the good guys suddenly pulls off a mask, revealing that he is one of the evil aliens, and starts killing all the other good guys. The main character then takes advantage of an earlier plot device in order to go back in time by a short amount, and he stops disguised bad guy before it's too late.

        The reason I mentioned that is that the way so many smearers talk about Obama, it's as though they're in such a time-travel situation. They keep saying "You don't know the real Obama," and the best benefit of the doubt I can give them is that there really is some secret information they can't tell us or Obama's inner circle will destroy them. Unlike the fun kooks, these guys don't even have fuzzy photographs or numerology. Just this constant drumming of "socialist", "racist", "hates America", "socialist", "racist", "hates America"… and not a single quote from Obama backs this up. Not one single "Dear diary, white people and the United States in general make me want to vomit. When I'm president, I'll suppress their speech and put them into forced labor." If Obama really is Mao Zedong in disguise, he's sure doing a great job keeping that secret self locked up tight, making us merely *think* he's some kind of thoughtful, well-spoken, kind-hearted, decent human being.
    • fatjoe, on 06/13/2008, -9/+1Oh crap it's Saddams cousin......
    • flashback99, on 06/13/2008, -3/+12This is ***** stupid. For years you guys elect presidents and as soon as a black guy comes along it's like "where's you're birth certificate?", "you're a terrorist" "you're muslim"

      This is called racism. The kind that exists today. Non-overt, ***** ***** racism.
      • elrodge, on 06/13/2008, -9/+1Barack Hussein Obama is not "a black guy." If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro).
        • flashback99, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4The point is that he's not a white american and thats the only reason for all this blatantly racist smearing.

          If he was Gore how many Baby Mama images would we see on Fox? How many of you would ask Gore for a birth certificate?

          Dont be a ***** douche, just think about it a bit.
        • carrett, on 06/13/2008, -0/+41. No, the birth certificate doesn't say Arab anywhere
          2. I don't think Negro is an acceptable term anymore
          3. Care to share where you pulled those percentages from? I'll take no response as "from your ass."
        • archiesteel, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3Racist BS - you should catch up on modern Ethnology, "African Negro" is no longer considered an actual ethnic group, and hasn't for decades actually.

          Barack's father was a Luo, definitely not an Arab (as even a cursory glance at a photo of him would confirm). A birth certificate issued in the late 30s by a generally-incompetent bureaucracy will not change this simple fact.

          This canard has been debunked before...please stop propagating it.
        • Lenoxus, on 06/14/2008, -1/+0Well, if true, those percentages certainly cross the lines specified in the Constitution. Damn!
      • bentl1, on 06/13/2008, -4/+2Yeah .... and him spending twenty years agreeing with a racist "minister" and his wife decrying "whitey" isn't racism ..... Another Obama lemming ignoring the facts. Obama hates "whitey" ... period. he has a twenty-plus years of history of hating. THAT is f**king overt racism in extreme. Whether you are black or white ... when you say and act as he has for that period of time, you are a serial racist. And there's just no way to hide that anymore.
      • asamurai865, on 06/29/2008, -0/+1the people who run the election have always asked EVERYONE for their birth certificate. they did it to McCain but he did not wait till a week ago to give it to them because he is not hiding anything like Obama. i don't know why any true American would vote for Obama over McCain when McCain is the true American hero that should be enough for anyone he obviously knows how things are run and i think he can make hard decisions for the good of the nation even though everyone might not agree with him. Oh and IT HAS BEEN PROVEN that his, Obama's, birth certificate is a photo shop but no American news is reporting it that should really make one wounder.
    • elrodge, on 06/13/2008, -3/+2digg it down.....HA!
    • bgovern, on 06/13/2008, -9/+3I actually agree, there are plenty of real policy-based reasons to dislike Obama, there is no need for personal attacks.

      I'll start the list for you....

      1) He wants to change the US policy of not negotiating with terrorist states like Iran
      2) His 'tax the rich' plan considers a family of 4 making $50,000 a year rich
      3) He wants to double the dividend tax that will hurt millions of retirees depending on that income to live
      4) His "change" message lacks substance, and what substance there is is the same old tax-and-spend party line
      5) He is not a genuine person, he tells liberal millionaires in San Francisco one thing, then pretends he shares the values of blue collar Pennsylvania voter...
      • homercles337, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2Youre as stupid as the folks claiming he was born in Kenya. Did you get your list from Faux News, Rush, or some other stupid ***** that wants to distort/spin facts? You are aware that you have to be born in the US to become president, right?
    • jzuska, on 06/13/2008, -6/+1The Elitist ***** was born in HI? Damn that's huge pimpin. What a worthless jerk.
    • homercles337, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2I want to know who are the idiots claiming he was born in Kenya? You cant even be president if youre not born in the states.
    • bentl1, on 06/13/2008, -4/+2Obama isn't your old DLC Democratic Party. Really? This proves how gullible Obamas supporters are.

      Osama says Obama is the best hope for Al Qaeda .... and the Democrats keep trying to tell us what a savior this clown is .... Even Osama Bin Laden sees him for what he truly is .......... but NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, CNN and most of the magazines and newspapers can't ... or willingly won't? It doesn't really matter though ... he'll never be elected. No matter how much the left wingers disagree .... I'm sure after he's slaughtered in the vote count, they'll decry fraud. But the one benefit of him being the candidate of the "party of hate", ... it really shows who hates "whitey" and America ......
      • toowired77, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0I love to see right wing desperation. They need to pull many votes from the idiots of this country.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0"Even Osama Bin Laden sees him for what he truly is". Well, if there's one man's judgment I trust, it's his!
      • asamurai865, on 06/29/2008, -0/+0thank you i don't understand why it is so hard for so many people to see him that way. the grate majority of the media is liberal that is why they don't want to see him for what he really is it's as simple as that. why would any American vote for a person that is being supported by Osama Bin Laden the one who did orchestrated the 9/11 attack
    • The_Red_Monkey, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3It was the hillary group doing this your fuctard.
    • tkotam, on 06/13/2008, -3/+2Father: I'm Barack Hussein Obama
      Son: I'm Barack Hussein Obama too.
      Father: No, you're not.. You're Barack Hussein Obama II.
      Son: Yes, I am. I'm Barack Hussein Obama too.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/14/2008, -1/+0"II" is almost always pronounced "the second" in a name, but apart from that, it's not a terrible joke. The specific name doesn't add anything to it, though.

        Here is a joke where the specific name makes a difference: "Who is bigger, Mr. Bigger or Mr. Bigger's baby? Mr. Bigger's baby is a little bigger." I would like a quarter for this joke please.
    • irv39, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1been to Obama's site.
      official birth certificates are supposed to have a raised seal.
      his does not.
    • Soldier80, on 06/30/2008, -0/+0I think Obama is the wrong choice for president come on now even Obama throws low blows whats wrong with you people. Obama has no idea whats going why would I wont everyonr to have free health care if Obama becomes President he will make sure everyone gets free health care this means drug addicts and ect will recieve free health care I dnt think so. I also dnt believe in illegal Alien rights either Obama does wow thats vote Obama and have another 09-11-2001 happen again. Wake up America should I go on I dnt think so. If you wont me to say more let me know you sick Obama supporters you people must support Socialism whatever I cant believe I fight for this country it makes me sick to be a soldier and listen to people I am done here

      Soldier80
      Warrior In Transition
      Still In The Fight
      OUT!!!!!!!
  • thirdcoastborn, on 06/12/2008, -22/+144the more they attack him by using ***** like this, his ratings just continue to rise. people are tired of that fear mongering *****
    • GhostyBoy, on 06/13/2008, -3/+38Not just fear mongering but passing off stupidity as fact and spin as truth. Millions of idiots are repeating talking points that just don't make any logical sense whatsoever....
      • phrenzy, on 06/13/2008, -2/+22What's hilarious is that the "right" just doesn't get it. They think that if "fear" worked for the past 2 elections than they should just turn it up to "11" this time.

        What they don't realize is that they've overplayed their hand and they only serve to perpetuate the negative stereotypes of Republicans being vindictive, petty and ignorant.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -1/+21"I know he's a Muslim, because he has a hatemongering black Christian pastor"
      • AnotherJake, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I completely agree that the fear mongering is it. I dugg you and a whole bunch of other people up in this topic for that. Obama will win primarily because of that and also because of congress' and the White House's back-turned to the rape at the pump and the grocery store. It's a load of crap and everyone knows it, even conservatives.

        But the repeating of talking points happens on both sides and sadly it's happening right here in this forum, on this very topic. Not that it isn't valid to rally against the absurd assertion that Obama isn't legally who he claims to be, but the rock hard fact is that we're rallying around a jpeg posted on the internet on the daily kos as proof -- when we don't need proof, and the people who need to see the proof won't even read the daily kos. That's repeating talking points too, as far as I can tell.
        • archiesteel, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1The birth certificate comes from Barack Obama's official web site.
      • The_Red_Monkey, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1Yeah, and they are called Obama supporters.
    • kabirkhanmail, on 06/13/2008, -40/+1Hello
      Read Out Obama's Other Secerets at www.amazepoint.com
    • jaxcs, on 06/13/2008, -1/+14Do we have a copy of McCain's birth certificate?
    • TJATL, on 06/13/2008, -14/+1In all reality, all it takes to defeat him is by telling average joe american what BHO's middle name is.
      • blackbeardtron, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2That makes no ***** sense whatsoever. People are retarded.
      • archiesteel, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1So according to you the average joe american is an idiot? Good to know.
    • homercles337, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1America is full of really, really stupid people. Most of them repugs, so you can bet that the 30 percenters will be in lock step with the smear.
  • rewinn, on 06/12/2008, -28/+234It's good to see:

    * a candidate who fights back fast, hard and effectively
    * a candidate who fights positively
    * a candidate who uses technology, such as the internet, effectively

    It's morning in America ... for real!
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      • MindTrigger, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12Nice name, ya douche.
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      • swicken, on 06/13/2008, -4/+1HEY! Don't bury him! He's just giving an example of how to use the internet effectively! :O
      • MrNexus, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Very mature. You sure showed him.
    • lostsymphonies1, on 06/13/2008, -2/+7TOU-*****-CHE
    • EmperorAwesome, on 06/13/2008, -0/+7Seems odd that this sorta evidence is necessary. Smear campaigns have gone way too far, beyond the slightly humorous as they used to be.
    • rugabug, on 06/13/2008, -2/+15Technology scares me. And I want a candidate who reflects my views.

      My name is John McCain and I approve this message.
    • dmallymally, on 06/13/2008, -9/+2We will see how much "change" happens if he becomes president. My guess is that there won't be too much.
      • Elranzer, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1*When* he becomes president. There, fixed that for ya. You're welcome.
        • dmallymally, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1i don't like either candidate but we'll see. I think Obama will win but i think it's going to be close.
    • jerrycurley, on 06/13/2008, -6/+1examples of him supposedly using the internet any more than anyone else?
      • motivatedmama, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5For christs sake. Wanna pic of that too? How bout you take his campaign as an example. Besides, the only comparison that matters is the one between him and McCain.
        McCain probably still uses quill, ink and parchment.
    • schoate09, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5Everything John Kerry wasn't.
    • ZeroIce, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2That's Ron Paul!
    • BedPost, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2Dear Digg,

      Straight from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/.

      "Protect American Intellectual Property Abroad: The Motion Picture Association of America estimates that in 2005, more than nine of every 10 DVDs sold in China were illegal copies. The U.S. Trade Representative said 80 percent of all counterfeit products seized at U.S. borders still come from China. Barack Obama will work to ensure intellectual property is protected in foreign markets, and promote greater cooperation on international standards that allow our technologies to compete everywhere.

      Protect Intellectual Property at Home: Intellectual property is to the digital age what physical goods were to the industrial age. Barack Obama believes we need to update and reform our copyright and patent systems to promote civic discourse, innovation and investment while ensuring that intellectual property owners are fairly treated."

      Look, he supports Net Neutrality, and I believe that issue is FAR more important than this one, but he's not anywhere near a perfect candidate when it comes to technology. ***** the MAFIAA? Not him. =/
    • starsarebent, on 06/13/2008, -2/+0Hahaha


      *Wou uses the internet efficeintly*

      WOO! this guy can use Google! Let's vite him in!! Hot damn.
    • bentl1, on 06/13/2008, -2/+1Sounds likes he's talking about Hitler ..... except in place of the Jews, he substitutes the word "whitey".
  • dagnabbit, on 06/12/2008, -23/+65Good. Now tell the idiot wingnuts to STFU about it.
    • Commodore84, on 06/13/2008, -23/+4Except this isn't his birth certificate... It's a certificate of live birth. Does that really look like a document printed when he was born? You guys probably believed the National Guard documents forged during Rathergate too.
      • nblsavage, on 06/13/2008, -2/+21what exactly do you think a "certificate of live birth" is? I've got my original from the 60's and that's what it says at the top.
      • AxmxZ, on 06/13/2008, -1/+8And the birth certificate is what, a certificate of a dead birth? I think that would be quite a bit more disturbing, if it suddenly turned out Obama is undead.
        • 808ethan, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Weird huh! Wait until you see birth certificates that say "Territory of Hawaii". I used to work for the state pension office and we'd see those all the time. They have really not-PC labels for choosing your race.
      • rationalbeats, on 06/13/2008, -1/+10Shut the ***** up.
      • notanidiot, on 06/13/2008, -1/+9Whoa! commodore! Don't try looking to desperate right now, eh? Lololol! "Duuhhhuhuhuh, its not a birth certificate, its a certificate of birth! Duuuuhhhhh!" lololol

        Yyyyeah, youre done.
      • swicken, on 06/13/2008, -1/+9You fail horribly.
      • Commodore84, on 06/13/2008, -3/+1Sorry guys, I'm not an idiot. I can see how what I said may have confused you. I didn't explain it fully. A certificate of live birth can be printed at any time by requesting it from the state government. What we'd like to see (and what the media is asking for) is a copy of his ORIGINAL birth certificate--the one printed when he was born. You know, back before laser printers were invented which is clearly what printed the document above. If you change your name (which is what some have claimed Obama did--Mohammed to Hussein) then when you have a reprinted certificate of live birth (which is what this is) then it will reflect your new name, not the name you were born with. The only document which shows that is your original birth certificate.

        Hope that clears it up.
        • nblsavage, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2If this copy is good enough for a court of law it's good enough for me. Do you have any inkling of what can happen to paper documents in the course of several decades? Quit grasping at straws, it just makes you look foolish and desperate.
        • nblsavage, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Oh, one more thing. Name changes are part of the public record. If you're so convinced that he changed his name, go research it or hire someone to do a background check, if you can find someone who will stop laughing in your face long enough.
        • ironhide, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2"Sorry guys, I'm not an idiot" - Yes, yes you are.
    • FutureGuy, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Now Hawaii is not really USA /s
  • igeldard, on 06/12/2008, -18/+78It was an excellent decision to post this so everyone can see for themselves. I hope if Obama becomes president he shows similar transparency in government matters ...
    • Coven, on 06/13/2008, -3/+31Look up the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act. He's already on top of that.
    • vegasmacguy, on 06/13/2008, -3/+44Actually McCain posted his birth certificate as well.

      http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/kai/news/releases/2007/ima ...
    • HorusHeresy, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2He seems to be very good at choosing when to post things. If they need to respond quickly to a political level smear, they do so, and when it is something stupid like the birth certificate, let it fester for a little bit so that the people who sent around the lie feel all that much more retarded for having not done their homework.

      Seriously, they are reaching new lows against Barack, and to call them on the stupid stuff after it reaches a certain level of saturation is brilliant, because then the knowledge of him being, in this case, born in America, reaches audiences that much faster.
    • bentl1, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1Obamas transparency is his hate for "whitey". And nothing is going to keep America from seeing that.
  • Kangalanatolian, on 06/12/2008, -148/+25Legally this is important. Practically, where someone is born makes very little difference. Where someone is raised and fed propaganda is VERY important.

    Just how impressionable WAS young Barack Obama when he went to that Muslim school. How well do you think they separated church and state THERE?

    THIS is what we should be asking ourselves, if we are to consider his distant past.
    • FTWmovin2canada, on 06/12/2008, -11/+70With that crazy logic you should be more worried about McCain being brainwashed while he was a POW.
      • charm803, on 06/13/2008, -1/+13Good point, but you failed in assuming "kangalanatolian" had any kind of logic.
    • Deadpixel1221, on 06/12/2008, -11/+91You dumb bastard, Obama NEVER attended a Muslim school, here's VIDEO proof.
      http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian
      If you don't watch the video and still believe that ***** at least have the courtesy to Shut The ***** Up, so we don't have to respond to idiots like you.
    • dagnabbit, on 06/12/2008, -6/+681. It wasn't a "Muslim" school, it was an elementary school in Indonesia.

      2. It was like 2nd thru 4th grade, where they learned some basic math, how to read and write, and maybe even did some arts and crafts. But thanks for the "concern".
      • chapoec, on 06/13/2008, -32/+0elemtary muslim school for future terrorist and sleeper cell secret muslim terrorist you mean. All a secret plot by a terrorist organization.
        along with that basic math they learned to hate america and all the liberties we have.
        • malex, on 06/13/2008, -0/+27You've never actually been to Indonesia, have you.
        • chaosium, on 06/13/2008, -0/+9The man's barely made it out of territories where people ***** their cousins.
        • schroderr224, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5Only a Muslim terrorist would post that. GET HIM!
        • TotalHalibut, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3Wow they've really got you drinking that Kowards Kool-aid haven't they?

          Because of these people, the terrorists have won. Hope trumps fear any day.
      • ryptide, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12BREAKING NEWS! Obama's macaroni art... of DOOM? Film at Eleven.
    • AwesomousPrime, on 06/13/2008, -15/+2wild speculation
      • Ajajadude, on 06/13/2008, -3/+14I'm curious, too: how much of an impression would my foot leave in your ass after I'm done kicking it for being a lame troll?
    • suntzusputnik, on 06/13/2008, -4/+29USING caps to accentuate random WORDS does not MAKE you sound INTELLIGENT.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -2/+2I wonder if people would use [i]italics[/i] that excessively if it was possible in Digg?
      • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+14YOU MEAN THIS DOESNT MAKE ME SMARTER?!


        *facepalm*
    • Deanblackoak, on 06/13/2008, -4/+20You are just a moron. God help us all if the majority of people are like you.
    • oldgal, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12I recommend you bar the doors and lock the windows and order everything you need online. If you are willing to live in fear and believe this *****, this is the only way you can truly stay safe.
    • kanabiis, on 06/13/2008, -0/+25The impression was so incredible, that he studied hard enough in school to end up attending Harvard, one of the most respected and prestigious Universities of Law the the United States, he later went on to teach Constitutional law at Chicago University. As if this was not enough, he then went on to become both a Senator in the state of Illinois, and then a US Senator for the state of Illinois, and even that was not enough, he had to then run and become the first black man to be nominated to a major party as the candidate to be the President of the United States of America.

      Which leads to the more important question, what kind of things impressed you as a young boy to NOT want to serve your country half as much as Barak Obama has in just the past year.

      Why do you hate America so much?

      It amazes me that people like you can look at a distinguished and obviously extremely patriotic career and somehow question his loyalty to the USA, and her citizens.

      The most you can possibly claim for credentials of patriotism is maybe voting, and saying the pledge of allegiance as a grade schooler.

      Whooptie Dooo
      • HorusHeresy, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4This is one of the finest defenses of Mr. Obama that I have ever seen. I am going to memorize this and use it on a regular basis. It won't change the minds of the people in my wife's family (blinded by evangelism), but at least in their hearts they'll feel stupid for a second.
    • rhodydog, on 06/13/2008, -2/+8Kangalanatolian, you're an idiot. You should be castrated and prevented from voting.
    • TotalHalibut, on 06/13/2008, -1/+19Oh noes, the Muslims!

      The terrorists won, you're clearly terrified of the mere possibility that a presidential candidate may possibly, at some point, have had some contact with a non-Christian religion. Why is it always the supporters of warmongers, who are the real cowards in this country?
    • greatawakening, on 06/13/2008, -1/+9YOU are an IDIOT. If you're still a republican after the last 7 years, you need to have your brain removed from your ass. Fed propaganda in a Muslim school? Turn off Rush Limbaugh and WAKE the ***** up.
    • Jareth86, on 06/13/2008, -0/+7I can prove to you right now that Obama is not a "radical muslim". Take a look at a photo of his wife give a speech. Can you see her arms and legs? If Obama was what you say he is, he would have stoned her to death for dressing like that.
    • Kangalanatolian, on 06/28/2008, -0/+1If Obama cared about the constitution like Ron Paul does, nothing else would matter (very much). Half black, half illuminati (extremely well connected white folk), so what? The constitution is the law that protects us ALL from the state.
      If Obama cared like Ron Paul, I wouldn't mind if he glowed in the dark (but to be practical, that would make him fairly un-electable, unless he also had super powers).
  • PolishLogic, on 06/12/2008, -108/+25I'm still trying to figure out why he repeatedly shunned every request for his birth certificate, yet all of a sudden Daily Kos seems to have no problem getting it from him.

    To borrow another observation: There is also no word on there about whether he was born in a manger or not.
    • bot001220, on 06/13/2008, -8/+49"I'm still trying to figure out why he repeatedly shunned every request for his birth certificate, yet all of a sudden Daily Kos seems to have no problem getting it from him."

      False. Obama put it up on his website, dailykos saw it there and put it on their website.

      http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
      • PolishLogic, on 06/14/2008, -2/+2Really? According to the USA today: "Site founder Markos Moulitsas Zuniga says he asked the campaign for the document and they gave it to him"
    • lostarchitect, on 06/13/2008, -7/+36they got it from his website, dumbass.
      http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
      • Jackson0909, on 06/13/2008, -25/+5I love when people have balls because they are hiding in the shadows of the internet. I bet you have NEVER called someone a dumbass to there face.
      • PolishLogic, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2Copied from my comment above:
        Really? According to the USA today: "Site founder Markos Moulitsas Zuniga says he asked the campaign for the document and they gave it to him"
        • lostarchitect, on 06/14/2008, -1/+1you understand that the website belongs to the campaign, don't you?
        • PolishLogic, on 06/15/2008, -2/+2Really. So DailyKos.com belongs to the Obama campaign? Never knew that.

        • lostarchitect, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1not dailykos, dumbass. i clearly meant that OBAMA'S website belongs to OBAMA'S campaign.
      • Velvethammer2, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1I asked the campaign
        This "journamalism" [sic] thing actually works sometimes.

        by kos on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:46:03 AM PDT

        http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/6/12/11012/6 ...

        Now who is the dumbass?
    • Deanblackoak, on 06/13/2008, -5/+33My god, do some damn research before you going running off at the mouth.
    • jaxcs, on 06/13/2008, -3/+21what an asshat thing to say.
      • PolishLogic, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2I'm just relaying what a few published reports have stated. Take it up with them.
        • jaxcs, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1I guess the published reports also question whether Obama was born in a manger?
        • PolishLogic, on 06/16/2008, -1/+2What part of the phrase "To borrow another observation" do you not understand?

          As for the published reports, here's one: According to the USA today: "Site founder Markos Moulitsas Zuniga says he asked the campaign for the document and they gave it to him"
        • jaxcs, on 06/16/2008, -1/+1Comical. I guess if you "borrow", all responsibility defaults to the "source". What is your source o distiller of information?
        • PolishLogic, on 06/16/2008, -1/+2Holy ***** you're a dummy.

          I "borrowed" the manger comment. My source on the rest is stated in the comment you're replying to.

          Should I draw you a diagram complete with a 10 page explanation so that there is no room for error on what the meaning of "According to the USA Today: "Site founder Markos Moulitsas Zuniga says he asked the campaign for the document and they gave it to him" is?

          Tim Russert is exerting more brain power at the moment than you are. Now you'll have to figure the rest of it out on your own. I've helped you all I can.
        • jaxcs, on 06/17/2008, -0/+1Yet, more unintentional comedy. Did the USA Today article have a snarky manger comment? All my comments have been directed toward that and all your "borrowing" comments, even the one above is directed toward that as well. Yet, suddenly, I’m discussing things I never talked about before. Listen up, I didn't call you an asshat because of your poorly understood, imaginary collusion between Kos and Obama, I called you an asshat because of your bs manger comment. I'm not the one who is confused and doesn't get it. It takes a great deal of effort to be as deluded as you are and I haven't been able to determine if you are genuinely dimwitted or are faking it, either way, you talk like an ***** and you act like an *****. Logic therefore dictates that you are in fact an *****. Congrgulations, you win the big prize.
        • PolishLogic, on 06/17/2008, -0/+1Spelling it out:

          Obamaniacs view the guy as the second coming of Jesus.

          For a person who comes off as such an "intellectual" I'm surprised that reference was a little over your head.

          Oh, and yes I am an *****. Hope you're paralyzed in a freak dog-walking accident.
        • jaxcs, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1You're such a freak. What makes you think I didn't understand your idiotic comment? I called you an asshat didn't I? Your ego is so big, you have to be seen as "informing". It's hilarious.

          I think you have very serious mental problems. It's not the kind that can be treated with talk therapy. You require observation and medication. Lots and lots of medication. When they prescribe the megadoses of anti psychotics, I recommend that you not fool around with the generic brands; go straight to the expensive name brand stuff.
    • chaosium, on 06/13/2008, -1/+16"he repeatedly shunned every request for his birth certificate"

      Maybe because the requests were never made.
      • PolishLogic, on 06/14/2008, -1/+2So now it's a conspiracy by the media to lie about requesting the records.

        Convenient accusation.
  • mexicanpower, on 06/12/2008, -118/+17And is this supposed to make Obama qualified or something? No one expected his birth certificate to be out of the ordinary...

    NObama '08!

    McCain/Clinton '08
    • zebco, on 06/13/2008, -8/+54You HAVE to be the dumbest ***** digger I've ever had the displeasure of reading comments from in years. Seriously. McCain/Clinton? Did you eat a ***** brain tumor for breakfast this morning? Wow.
      Just wow.
      Goes to show how ***** stupid many Americans are in terms of their political opinions. I'm not bagging on you because I disagree...I'm bagging on you because you clearly have not a single shred of sanity in your entire being.
      • TobiasParker, on 06/13/2008, -2/+15ohhhhhhhhhhhh *digger* i read that wrong and almost dugg you down.
      • Deanblackoak, on 06/13/2008, -2/+15A glorious comment. Give'em hell.
      • StUnT66, on 06/13/2008, -24/+1Calm down there champ seems like your wound up a little bit. And Obama isn't right for the job. He should be an ambassador at most for maybe Kenya or something. NOT President.
        • JabberBody, on 06/13/2008, -2/+14You're right. Obama's too up front, charismatic, and nice to be a leader. If Bush has taught us anything, it's that a president's proper place is in an underground lair, stroking a cat while saying, "No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!"
      • jd33, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Digger, please.
    • suntzusputnik, on 06/13/2008, -2/+15so are you one of those bush supporters or a an old angry hillary supporter?
    • rahamm, on 06/13/2008, -1/+12Pretty sure Clinton is not McCains Veep.......Wait I checked yep that is a nope.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -1/+9Are you sure you're sure? People who spout random combinations on the Web generally know what they're talking about…
    • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12The President has to be born in our country.
      This makes his place of birth relevant.
      and....McCain/Clinton 08? lol@you.

      gtfo, you're useless.
    • charm803, on 06/13/2008, -1/+15As a Latina, it shames me that your handle is MexicanPower.
      Go back to Mexico!
      This country is full of opportunities and you should be proud that you have them.
      Celebrate diversity, and stop being ignorant, especially by saying McCain 08, because he'll be the first to send your @ss back to Mexico!
      • patpl22391, on 06/13/2008, -10/+2You assume because he is Mexican that he is illegal? Shame on you. McCain is very pro-amnesty, you'd know that if you weren't wetting yourself every time you see a photo of Obama.
        • charm803, on 06/13/2008, -2/+6I'm not assuming he's illegal, but look at his handle. He's just as ignorant. You'd know that if you weren't wetting yourself on digg users.
    • argaen21, on 06/13/2008, -3/+2***** you and ***** mexico.
    • notanidiot, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2I'm gonna digg you up, because such a stupid comment was obviously designed to see how many downdiggs one can get. You don't get the pleasure from me, bitch.
  • DiggLive, on 06/12/2008, -53/+19Buried for DailyKos. Link to the official source:

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
    • mabs0, on 06/12/2008, -5/+22Congrats... for posting a link to a source in a comment on a piece that you buried so less people get to see it. Smart.
    • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -3/+2Well, I dugg you up because I (think I) understand and agree what you're getting at… more people on the Web should strive for elegance.
      • sulthernao, on 06/13/2008, -4/+1Please don't act like a mathematician...
    • Deanblackoak, on 06/13/2008, -5/+2Just stopped reading. You're gonna get dugg down every time for making a statement like that. And it ain't gonna change anyone's opinion. Of you or DailyKos.
  • d4nie1, on 06/12/2008, -15/+67Some of the biggest believers in this rumor and other ridiculous smear rumors about him are the extremist Hillary supporters at hillaryclintonforum.net. Here's their response to Obama's anti-smear site > http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/show ...

    They believe all the smears are true despite anything Obama or anyone else says. They just aren't going to believe anything but the worst about him and little things like logic, reason and facts are irrelevant to them. It's pretty crazy.
    • mnemy, on 06/13/2008, -1/+32The stupidity continues to amaze me.
    • shawn1122, on 06/13/2008, -3/+47So you frequent there as well? I don't know why, but I've somewhat become addicted to skimming through the threads on that site. I think its because Digg is so damn pro Obama that I had to see the other side of the story. Unfortunately, they prefer talking about how Obama has skeletons in his closet and how Michelle Obama is a witch there. There belief is that the Republicans will rip Obama apart with their smear campaigns and that will allow Hillary to be resurrected at the convention and become the true democratic nominee. A bit farfetched I'd say, but they believe what they want to, not in reality.

      They also believe that Obama hates white people, and that young people are stupid and naive for wanting to vote for him. They think that, in their infinite wisdom, they are able to see through "Obama's veil of *****" The forum seems to be made up of predominately older white women.

      They believe Obama is the most dishonest and corrupt politician they've ever seen. I haven't been alive for nearly as long as they have been, but from what I have seen of politicians, Obama seems the most honest and sincere I've seen so far. I'm sure he is quite like every other politician, but he can at least make it seem like he is completely sincere. And to be honest, of all the candidates, he seems to be the most down to earth, and that is a quality that is hard not to admire, especially in someone who is running for president.

      Anyways, the point is, the people on that forum are the most extreme of Hillary supporters, theyve already promised each other that they will vote for McCain. It is really not worth the time or effort to try and remove them from the bubble they seem to live in, I doubt anything will change their minds.
      • oldgal, on 06/13/2008, -2/+14These attitudes are why I could just never get behind the women's lib movement back in the day. I never saw myself as a victim and I just couldn't buy into all the *****.
        • chaosium, on 06/13/2008, -1/+8They're Republicans, not Feminists.
      • iofthestorm, on 06/13/2008, -0/+20I find that ridiculous, even after Hillary went all the way and endorsed Obama.
    • ryan83189, on 06/13/2008, -0/+17There are some crazy Hillary supporters.
      • tjmb9, on 06/13/2008, -4/+11I'd be willing to bet that there are posters there who hate Hillary Clinton, if you catch my drift.
        • SillyDigger, on 06/13/2008, -3/+5I don't.
        • tehknotte, on 06/13/2008, -2/+11he has a point. it could be some people making fake posts to make the Hillary camp look crazy. But I don't think that's the case.
        • tjmb9, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5tehknotte, that wasn't my point. Actually my point was the one jrm5100 made right below me.
    • jrm5100, on 06/13/2008, -1/+15I have come to the conclusion that they are all Republicans trying to push Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos". It is actually kind of hilarious if you think about it. They are all Republicans pretending to be Hillary supporters and they all are laughing to themselves over it.
      • rationalist, on 06/13/2008, -1/+19I wish that were true. Unfortunately, I know all too many previously reasonable middle-aged women who seem to have taken leave of their senses and sincerely support this crap.

        One just today explained how, when Hillary announced her candidacy, the entire Democratic Party Establishment recruited Obama to run against her, told all the big funders not to support her campaign, and that Obama had conspired to leak misogynistic rumors about Clinton because he hates women.

        This after another broke down in tears over the weekend insisting that, because she spent her life fighting for all the things Clinton believes in, and because the mainstream media destroyed Clinton's candidacy, she would vote for McCain in the general election.

        Oh, and this just in: up is down, left is right, right is wrong, and the Moon is made entirely of green cheese.
    • rationalist, on 06/13/2008, -0/+14The erudite articulation of the typical commenter on that site leaves one with a sense of awe (comment posted verbatim, sic and all):

      "This was on yahoo.com from AP news. The problem is that all these things are facts and not rummors.What really pissed me off is a poll at foxnews. They question 193 Hillary supporters and 61% will vote for OB and 15% fo Mccain. Probaply The dnc are releasing polls like these to intimitate the Hillary supporters and make them change their minds. Me I am voting for Mccain , unless hillary is on the ticket"
    • snotrokit, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12delusion in numbers.
    • GhettoMagic, on 06/13/2008, -1/+24Here is a post from that page, it's so full of ignorance:

      "I watched the segment about this on Fox News earlier. I was making something to eat and thinking about this anti-smear site. There's never been any candidate to actually organize something like this before. I'm thinking we can use the creation of his anti smear site against BO.

      1. It is against our right to free speech.

      2. It is set up to collect e-mail addresses in a round-about way.

      3. Once they have someone's e-mail address, they have a way to spam all they want their Obama propaganda.

      4. Why is this needed? Is it because he's afraid of what could come out?

      5. Is this the way he's going to be as a president, using any tactics to silence the opposition? Do we want such an individual as president.

      6. Using an organized anti smear group, is the first step into totalitarianism, is he planning to become dictator Obama?

      7. What is he actually planning to do with all those e-mails they collect? How do we know that they won't be used to infringe upon our rights if he becomes president?

      8. He said/she said. What is actually the truth when he's trying to cover up everything by silencing it, and replacing it with his own version of the truth.


      We need to use this against him because it is actually alarming that he's gone to this extent to silence the people who are against him, one more reason to dislike him. He must not be president, we'll see more stuff like this and more of our liberties taken away if he is in charge. We thought Bush was bad, wait for BO, he's a million times worse."
      • tehknotte, on 06/13/2008, -0/+21Wow that's a bad list. #5 doesn't make sense: I would very much like to have a President who uses hard evidence and proof to debunk lies spewed by crazy/paranoid people.
        • AugustusOsari, on 06/13/2008, -2/+9>#5 doesn't make sense

          Neither do numbers one through four or six through eight.
        • tjmb9, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12Yeah I don't understand how the anti-smear website constitutes an infringement on anyone's civil liberties either.
      • charm803, on 06/13/2008, -1/+19Imagine that. This is what was said because he DEBUNKED the lies with FACTS!
        I wonder what would have happened had he stayed quiet!
        The ignorance is astonishing! I don't get how he's a "million times worse" than Bush!
      • tjmb9, on 06/13/2008, -2/+8It's insane to me that these people are Hillary supporters but they watch Fox News. It makes me not want to believe it.
        • d4nie1, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3Believe it. They are hard core Hillary supporters, but they are not really democrats. They hate with a passion anything that stands in the way of Hillary becoming president, and that means they hate Obama and love anyone who attacks him. If Hillary had gotten the nomination they would be demonizing McCain instead, but since she didn't they are flocking to McCain. It's the mentality of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
      • ryptide, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5How dare he prove that liars are liars!? The arrogance! The sheer, unmitigated GALL!
    • futoranime, on 06/13/2008, -1/+11So help me understand this. By bringing down Obama and destroying your parties chance at presidency, McCain wins and continues where Bush ended in many aspects of his presdency for another 4 years. This in turn will will be positive for Clinton because of what again?

      Scary times we live in as much of the bigotry and anger that was thought to be dying after all the years has resurfaced and runs deep in people.
    • namar777, on 06/13/2008, -3/+4God i hope Obama wins, Muslims aren't evil, stfu... n get a life... n feed ur mongering curiosity with real info!
    • amoirae, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2On the page d4nie1 linked to there is a picture of a cat with the words: "Just Say No Deal"

      Is that from the "Cougars for Clinton" group?
    • d4nie1, on 06/13/2008, -0/+6Here's a thread they've got going about the birth certificate. http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/show ...

      They are all evidently experts in birth certificates and are completely convinced it's an obvious forgery. It's fascinating to see how delusional they are.
    • HorusHeresy, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3We need to teach critical thinking in high school again in the US. I didn't get critical thinking courses till I was in college, and that's why you end up with crazy people like this. Philosophy 100, 101 & 201 - Forced you to think and taught you that it was ok to change your minds and that the viewpoints of others are often ok.

      We are literally training our children to be stupid, and here we are, paying the price with this kind of stupidity.
    • Jareth86, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4What the ***** is wrong with these people?! You know the scariest thing about this forum; there is not a single dissenting voice among them.
      • d4nie1, on 06/13/2008, -1/+5There can be no dissenting voices on the forum. Any dissenting voice is labelled an Obamabot and they are banned. A couple of times I have seen threads there where someone will claim another of the posters is an Obamabot because of something they said, and then it becomes like a witch hunt. Even the smallest comment painting Obama as slightly less evil than Satan will cause this. It's no longer a Pro-Hillary site. It's an Anti-Obama site.
        • Jareth86, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2Makes me wonder what Hillary's America would have been like...
  • fool13, on 06/12/2008, -35/+7I'm just curious being his mother is Caucasian and his father is African what would be his 'official' race if you will?
    • wonderchemist, on 06/12/2008, -4/+25Race

      O : White
      O : Black
      O : Asian
      O : Hispanic
      O : Native American
      X : Check this box if two or more of the above applies to you.
    • zebco, on 06/13/2008, -14/+3Chocolate Rain, of course. What ***** planet are you on?
    • p0s3r, on 06/13/2008, -23/+11There is no "African" race. This is clearly faked.
      • Ajajadude, on 06/13/2008, -1/+11Human?
      • nblsavage, on 06/13/2008, -2/+7They probably just entered whatever the parents said. No mystery there.
      • peacenik, on 06/13/2008, -2/+11You can say "clearly faked" when you can prove your point. Otherwise you're just making it up and hoping for the best.
        • p0s3r, on 06/13/2008, -10/+2I don't need to prove the obvious fact that African isn't a race.
        • nblsavage, on 06/13/2008, -2/+8But that has nothing to do with your claim that the certificate is fake. They could have listed my eye color as green instead of blue on my birth certificate, it wouldn't make it a fake.
        • chaosium, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5"I don't need to prove the obvious fact that African isn't a race."

          Afro-american is a fairly common self-ascription, get back to Stormfront.
      • bababoosh, on 06/13/2008, -1/+0Are you serious?!?!? I wonder what you call people from AFRICA? Any clues, douche bag?
    • rationalist, on 06/13/2008, -2/+20Since the concept of different human "races" is a myth, perpetuated by bigots and contradicted by science (we are all part of a single human race), and since the particular gradient of an individual human's skin tone is determined by the level of melotonin in his or her skin, which in turn is an hereditary trait determined by the latitudes of that individuals ancestors (proximity to the equator increases exposure to the Sun's rays, which evolutionary forces compensate for by increasing melatonin, which helps block some harmful forms of Solar radiation), and since, with the advent of modern transportation technology, humans no longer live within a small radius of the village their ancestors grew up in for thousands of years - the question itself is the problem, not the potential answers.
    • bentl1, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Do you think he called his mother "whitey" too? He didn't seem to have a problem calling his grandmother (who raised him) a closet racist. Gosh, what a swell guy .... I can see why Osama loves him so much.
  • Ganja420, on 06/13/2008, -26/+16PICS of birth or didnt happen..
    • AwesomousPrime, on 06/13/2008, -3/+25Picture of a Piece of Obamas umbilical cord with an american flag in the back ground with a brass band playing stars and stripes forever or it didnt happen!
    • AxmxZ, on 06/13/2008, -0/+7I don't know why this got dugg down - funny.
  • zebco, on 06/13/2008, -24/+30Does anyone really think this will make a difference. It's LUDICROUS that it even needs to be posted but you can bet your ass that the only people who see this are people who already know he was born in America.
    So it's kind of a GIGANTIC waste of time. I'm seeing this, you're seeing this...you already know he's ***** American.
    The only people who believe he wasn't born in America won't believe this *****...they're on another level of reality. They'll say it was photoshopped or faked or a black market copy or something. Bottom line: You CANNOT talk sense to these ***** uneducated idiots who believe what they're going to believe. They already don't give a ***** about facts and figures....they live in their own reality and the unreality of Fox News.
    These people are barely human as far as I'm concerned.
    "I've had enough of Hussein!"
    -***** white trash, uneducated inbred piece of ***** West Virginian.
    • ultar6, on 06/13/2008, -1/+8You overlook a few things...

      -The sites existence is a topic for the media.
      -Whenever a new smear surfaces and is reported widely enough, media outlets will go to the site to see the campaign response. Obama need not personally announce that a smear is wrong. His staff also does not need to speak in front of a microphone, or disseminate a press release.
      -Handling the smears on a website recognizes them for what they are - smears. They are not to be handled as if they are serious, but the truth is made available. Though the debunks are official campaign communications, the smears are relegated to crap status.
      -The site also allows users to send a debunking email to others. Aside from the media, those viewing the site might largely be Obama supporters, but those supporters can send the content out.

      And if all else fails, Obama can walk out on the national stage and take smear-spreading liars to task.

      Brilliant if you ask me.
    • elrodge, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1Dont cry. Ultar! You can still live in your mom's basement and put on your sisters makeup.
      • ultar6, on 06/14/2008, -0/+0You got it wrong. I live in my sister's basement and put on my mom's makeup.

        Even though my life is pathetic, your response was abject and pointless. You attacked me with statements that you could not possibly know to be true...unless you've been watching me, wistfully, from afar.

        Hint: You can actually respond directly to a post. Those blue reply links under each of the posts are there for just that purpose. Then again, perhaps you didn't want to respond directly to me because you were afraid I'd come back and tear you apart.
    • Bravesguy18, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Say what you really feel.
    • coffeebaby, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1"I've had ENUF of hooo-sane!"
    • motivatedmama, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1All that aside, look at it as a show of strength and decisiveness. That is something even the neanderthal idiots can understand. Obama is no Kerry. It sends the message that all this ***** will be dealt with quickly and succinctly and sad as it is, science proves that repetition is the key, not factualness. So repeat, forward, spell it out as many times as you have to. Remember, this IS for the idiots. Let's pound it into their heads cause subtlety and walking the high ground ain't gonna get it.
  • GhostyBoy, on 06/13/2008, -6/+160Picture of birth certificate is insufficient....please mail original copy to me, along with your bank account numbers. I will transfer 7.8 million into your account from Nigeria....
    • thaddeusj, on 06/13/2008, -1/+35No kidding, I couldn't believe it the whole line about reporters asking for it and being denied. How about YOUR birth certificate reporter? Look I have a certificate of live birth, can I have a state ID? Look I have a birth certificate and a state ID, can I get a passport? Let's just assume that Obama had to produce twice as much ID for each early government position as I had to produce urine to work IT and worry about important stuff.
      Besides where is Cheny's proof that he isn't a national from Omicron Persei VIII? ;)
      • gnomeh, on 06/13/2008, -0/+13I dugg you and take one guess as to the reason :p
      • ultar6, on 06/13/2008, -0/+14You make excellent points. Obama would have been required to document U.S. citizenship to become a Senator. To become President, he must be a natural-born citizen.

        I doubt that flashing a U.S. passport would have sufficed in either event. I expect also that the Secret Service and the FBI have the full citizenship dossier on Obama. If he was not eligible to become President, he could not have come this far.
    • TVarmy, on 06/13/2008, -2/+32I suspect it's fake. It's from Honolulu and says McLovin'.
    • joe122370, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1photoshop
  • ChromaVita, on 06/13/2008, -30/+6PHOTOSHOPPED.
    not really.
    • Simonft, on 06/13/2008, -1/+10the shadows are all wrong.
    • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -0/+0by "not really" do you mean that you're joking, or that it's "not really" his birth certificate? (The latter interpretation is probably why you got dug down. Because that is really, really, his genuine birth certificate.)
    • Mejari, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2I know this from the pixels, and from having seem many shops in my time.
  • Poltron, on 06/13/2008, -20/+1http://youtube.com/watch?v=diArzr74WuE
  • borez, on 06/13/2008, -3/+5Well done... gold star
  • Zenls, on 06/13/2008, -52/+10Has to be fake, his dad is muslim > asian, also, there is more data on a birth certificate than that.
    • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -2/+13His dad was Muslim greater than Asian? Is that the mathematical inequality which yields "Kenyan"?

      But you're right that there is usually more information than "For those of you posting false information about Obama not being born in the US, here's the information that proves you wrong." What you have to do is, you have to click the accompanying link, and you'll see a picture. Click on the picture for a closeup.

      It's from Hawaii, which may be a different state than yours, which would probably explain why you said "there is more data on a birth certificate than that." That and your lack of understanding of US nationality law (it's OK, I had to look it up myself to make sure that both parents didn't have to be US-born, and indeed, the natural-born thing is enough.)
  • HardSide, on 06/13/2008, -44/+10A birth certificate doesn't look like that. You can easily Google to see how a Hawaii certificate looks like. This is false, and it makes the Obama camp look just as bad as the fear mongering camp. Both camps are killing their own candidates chaces.
    • sulthernao, on 06/13/2008, -6/+29An original doesn't look like that, a copy does. Now why don't you shut the ***** up and stop spreading lies.
      • Deanblackoak, on 06/13/2008, -3/+9I couldn't have said it better.
    • BECoole, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I don't understand why they would put up something like this that just perpetuates the controversy. I think they started it just for press.
  • TGMD, on 06/13/2008, -8/+44Okay????

    I mean there's only one presidential candidate that wasn't born in the US, that's John McCain (Panama Canal Zone, which was technically US territory at the time)

    • sulthernao, on 06/13/2008, -0/+17I'm pretty sure the nuts are going to move on and say that Obama is lying about his age and that he was born in Hawaii before 1959...not that it matters since his mother was a US citizen.
      • Lenoxus, on 06/13/2008, -0/+8Well, technically, it wasn't until 1986 that that alone was considered a citizenship guarentee from the viewpoint of federal law. That said, it might have depended on Kansas law at the time, or something like that, if such a parallel-universe situation were the case.

        Of course, we all know Obama is really a time-traveling space-man who has yet to be born. Too bad for him!
    • swiftheart, on 06/13/2008, -0/+7While it's true the Panama Canal Zone was under some type US jurisdiction, McCain's citizenship comes from being born to American citizens. In that regard, he could have been born anywhere.

      The Canal Zone did not grant US citizenship to children born there if they did not have at least one parent who was American.

      • yacks, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3Well I think a lot of the McCain thing is he considered a Natural Born Citizen.. Does he need to be born on US soil? But I take Natural Born Citizen meaning being a US Citizen at birth,,
        • swiftheart, on 06/13/2008, -0/+0The answer to this is "probably." It's not really been fully defined either in law or by a court.

          He was a US citizen at birth thanks to his American parents. Most likely he is a natural born citizen.

          He would be a fully qualified natural born citizen had he been born on US soil. However, the Canal Zone was not considered US soil.
    • mattlohkamp, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2that was unnecessary.
  • life38, on 06/13/2008, -11/+24It is only because McCain was born in Panama that this is being sent around to put doubt into peoples mind when McCain is the one that should be put in doubt.
    • yojiffyskippy, on 06/13/2008, -2/+9Pot. Kettle. Kettle. Pot.
      • VitriolAndAngst, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I highly doubt that Life38 actually asked McCain this question. It is only brought up because there was a question as to whether McCain is legally eligible.

        In fact, by Law, Dick Cheney could not be eligible to be Vice President, because both Bush and Cheney are politicians with a residence in Texas. Not being too keen on laws they find inconvenient, the press and the Republican party just ignored this and pointed to an apartment that Cheney rented in another state that year.
    • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/13/2008, -4/+7Thank you for reminding everyone why this question was asked of Obama. Because idiots like you asked it of McCain first.
      • VitriolAndAngst, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I highly doubt that Life38 actually asked McCain this question. It is only brought up because there was a question as to whether McCain is legally eligible.

        In fact, by Law, Dick Cheney could not be eligible to be Vice President, because both Bush and Cheney are politicians with a residence in Texas. Not being too keen on laws they find inconvenient, the press and the Republican party just ignored this and pointed to an apartment that Cheney rented in another state that year.
      • VitriolAndAngst, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I highly doubt that Life38 actually asked McCain this question. It is only brought up because there was a question as to whether McCain is legally eligible.

        In fact, by Law, Dick Cheney could not be eligible to be Vice President, because both Bush and Cheney are politicians with a residence in Texas. Not being too keen on laws they find inconvenient, the press and the Republican party just ignored this and pointed to an apartment that Cheney rented in another state that year.
    • atgmac, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2From wikipedia:
      "In 1953, Congress passed legislation to specify the status of Americans born in the Canal Zone--and to exclude non-Americans born there from citizenship. Title 8, Section 1403 of the United States Code **grants citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone with at least one parent who is a United States citizen**. This differs from the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment which grants citizenship to all born in the United States, regardless of parental nationality."
  • mooseontheloose, on 06/13/2008, -43/+10Funny how I was born overseas but raised in the US so I can't be President, but Obama was born in a place actually FURTHER from the mainland than me, whisked off to a Madrassa in Pakistan or wherever the *****, and can be President. What a joke.