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In a More Diverse America, the GOP Convention Mostly White
washingtonpost.com — Only 36 of the 2,380 delegates seated on the convention floor are black, the lowest number since the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies began tracking diversity at political conventions 40 years ago. Each night, the overwhelmingly white audience watches a series of white politicians step to the lectern.
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- TheEngineer2008, on 09/04/2008, -41/+307The GOP is totally out of touch with America. No wonder these guys think America wants to force their ideas of morality on its citizens via the power of the federal government. They should have listened to Ron Paul. He tried to bring them back to true conservatism.
- DangerCollie, on 09/04/2008, -8/+45The Mighty Whitey Righty.
- charliecharlos, on 09/04/2008, -2/+19On another note, they court the porn demographic. Never thought Lex Steele would be Republican.
The more you know!- thcobbs, on 09/04/2008, -3/+6Why? He's a businessman who gets a piece of the action every day!
- zenbyo, on 09/04/2008, -5/+1GOP got dem white guhls
- zip000, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3Is he a Republican? His Wikipedia page indicates support for Obama.
Was he one of the three black guys that they kept showing at the convention on TV last night over and over? - DavidBGie, on 09/05/2008, -4/+3It's the Democrats that hand out the government cheese. Most black leaders in the democratic party think that it is owed to them and the blacks they represent for being born so they are in the democratic party. The guilty white liberals feel they are off the hook as long as the rule for the day is appeasement. The white democrats hold the leash and make them beg for handouts and call republicans the racists!
- smacksaw, on 09/04/2008, -17/+14Or, if this were truly a libertarian country, all of these white people in their "white states" could ***** off and do whatever the hell they want and put up with themselves. Let them send their own National Guard troops to Iraq and leave the rest of us out of it. Let them fight their own War on Drugs. I'd love to give these people all the rope they need to hang themselves with. They can just hire Halliburton to run their state gov't and Blackwater to police their streets, invade their enemies and interdict drugs.
Democrats...federalism again, why?- RationalXubrnce, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1 Would they still have to send money to all the non whites? Just askin.
- QuadZeroRoute, on 09/04/2008, -29/+17Hahahahaha.....hilarious. So the Republicans are going to be blamed for the racism that is inherent in the African American culture and somehow causes them to vote 97% for Barack Obama? How is that the Republican party's fault?
TheEngineer2008, I especially get a kick out of your comment. "The GOP is totally out of touch with America." and this comes from a jagoff who is pushing some third party piece of ***** Bob Barr...a huge ***** that changed everything he stands for to run for office. Bob Barr changed 100% of his positions to run for the position of libertarian candidate and saying otherwise makes you out to be a liar.
TheEngineer2008, given that your candidate is going to get at most 5% of the popular vote I would say you and Barrr and all the people who vote for Barr are out of touch with America. What a ***** joke.- diggduggDOOM, on 09/04/2008, -9/+10"racism that is inherent in the African American culture"
Please tell us more... - QuadZeroRoute, on 09/04/2008, -19/+8The current leader of the Democratic party is a huge ***** racist. His twenty years of learning at one of the biggest racists in Chicago, Illinois every Sunday are what bring me to this conclusion.
Former DEMOCRAT Vice President Candidate Ferraro talking about Rev. Wright: "what this racist bigot has said from the pulpit is unbelievable"
Here are some best of nuggets from this Racist Black Supremacist:
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)
“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.” (2003)
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” (magazine article)
“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a *****. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.” (sermon)
“The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”
Opps forgot my fave quote about WHITEY inventing AIDS:
"We started the AIDS virus. …The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied." - praderwilli, on 09/04/2008, -16/+10Dude, your never going to change these peoples mind. Obama could have killed a baby in broad daylight and these people would make up an excuse for it.
Digg is a radical liberal orgy, anyone with sense need not apply. - Andrwmorph, on 09/04/2008, -6/+3Can people vote from prison? If so, McCain is *****!
/Itsajokelightenup - bicyclethief, on 09/04/2008, -4/+1What's a jagoff?
You mean a jack off? - JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -6/+16So, what in Rev Wrights comments are so outlandish?
“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”
Not racist at all, he was speaking on Welfare Reform, a controversial subject in minority America.
"We started the AIDS virus. …The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied."
You're a ***** moron. Feel free to deny Tuskegee, Republicans always do, it happened and leaves reasonable doubt as to whether it could happen again.
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a *****. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
Do you deny that America has been controlled by rich WHITE men since it's inception? Every bit of oppression that has been seen in America has been at the hands of WHITE CHRISTIAN MEN. But of course you'll deny that too... let me ask you did the Holocaust also not happen?
“The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.”
Truth. Palestinians were "evicted" from THEIR OWN LAND after WWII and that land was given to the Holocaust survivors, and a new nation was created. The former, rightful owners of that land, and ENTIRE POPULATION of people are now living under what can only be considered the most oppressive conditions in modern American history. All because they are Brown, and you and your WHITE friends think it's better this way.
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” (magazine article)
Again. How is this false? It took a NATIONWIDE movement, to get any kind of equality legislation passed for minorities in this country. You do ignore the plights of others, not just blacks, but anyone non-white. How many times have you echoed this sentiment? "Blacks are lucky and should thank us for slavery!"
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”
Apartheid and the complete lack of US pressure to end it (Actors, Artist and Musicians led that charge), The human rights disaster in Palestine, The ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Bosnia, the enslavement of Native Americans, Jim Crow, the CIA using proceeds from the sale of Crack Cocaine in the 80's to fund anti Castro rebels, The Iraq war, the list goes on and on. What do you think? That you can continue on this road of perverse desire for conflict with anything non-white- and non-christian and people won't fight back?
So.. I won't continue by listing the tripe spewed by Pat Buchanan, or more Macaca "misspeaks", or any of the OVERT racism that comes from the Right wing.
I will point out how funny it is that you and your right-wing friends think that anyone willing to help the poor you so desperately want to stone to death, is only worth derision. When was the last time you stuck your neck out for someone non-white, or non-christian, someone completely unlike you?
(that waa a rhetorical question, we all know the answer: Never. Also, I'm a Veteran, Desert Storm and Desert Shield, so save the weak, "What have you done?" comments.) - jakem1, on 09/04/2008, -0/+4I'm not at all religious and it pains me to agree with some pastor, but with the exception of that last quote, which is a bit strange, everything else you quoted is true. I also fail to see how any of it could be considered racist.
- diggduggDOOM, on 09/04/2008, -9/+10"racism that is inherent in the African American culture"
- oo7evan, on 09/04/2008, -7/+42My friend and I played "Spot the Minority" during the RNC. I think he won, 6-5.
- naner, on 09/04/2008, -3/+33My girlfriend and I did the same thing before we got too pissed off at the rhetoric and turned it off. The highlight of the evening was when I looked away to check my email and she screamed "ASIAN!!!! That's at least 3 points right there!"
- PorchSong, on 09/04/2008, -19/+3So you and your girlfriend are quite the racists to play games based one someone's race. Nicely done. Biggot.
- ElderBieler, on 09/04/2008, -20/+4Oh snap naner! Just smile when you get your ass handed to you like that.
You couldn't stand the convention so you turned it off? What did you like about the DNC? Was it the 4 gay-boys singing 'walk like a man' or was it the "we're going to fix America by expanding government" because you're too stupid to govern your lives rhetoric?
Amazing that the majority Ron Paul fans are now Obama fans. Ron Paul's banner was smaller goverment with a limited role in the individuals life. Obama is the antithesis of that.
Where's the logic? - Hockey13, on 09/04/2008, -1/+10"Amazing that the majority Ron Paul fans are now Obama fans. Ron Paul's banner was smaller goverment with a limited role in the individuals life. Obama is the antithesis of that."
The internet's a fun place where we can all make things up without offering evidence. The majority of Hillary Clinton supporters now support McCain. Hell, ever since the Palin speech, the majority of all baseball players favor ice cream over frozen yogurt. - Kohaxx, on 09/04/2008, -2/+11@ElderBeiler:
You obviously didn't pay attention to the DNC that wasn't what was happening at all, Obama's speech wasn't a liberal leftist agenda speech, it was a compromising platform that offered a fantastically balanced approach to solving our problems instead of getting locked down in red versus blue.
Also it's pretty damn arrogant of you to get your magical underpanties in a twist and call out "gay-boys", I dare you to actually talk to a gay person for once in your life, 10% of the population is reported as a predispostion to being gay, and the gene is tracked on the mother's side of the family. I grew up in public school with people who were smart, intelligent, and charismatic but they never knew what felt off about them until they learned they were gay. Just because your state suppresses homosexual people doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.
The three candidates offer very different platforms
Ron Paul: Limited government in every aspect, focus on fixing defecit and returning control of government to states.
Barack Obama: Increase social programs and offer healthcare to adolescents, decrease war spending to provide for these programs. 90% of americans recieve larger tax cuts under his plan.
John McCain: Decrease social programs, increase war spending, thinks all employed Americans have health insurance (so I guess I don't exist), thinks the economy is fantastic as is, and that the Iraq war needs to continue to be a 10 billion dollar sinkhole with no return in lives, security, or in the budget.
Ron Paul didn't go to the RNC and many true conservatives were at his convention instead, because the GOP has been bought out by Rovian politicians and now really is out of touch with America. They shut Ron Paul out, not the American people.
The RNC convention was awful, everyone who spoke flat out lied. Lieberman claims Obama doesn't have experience crossing party lines, but when he was running for reelection and Obama supported him he is recorded on tape saying what a fantastic senator Barack Obama is and how they're working to bring republicans and democrats together. Sarah Palin claimed the media was too hard on her when they've been bringing up the truth, that she isn't a fiscal conservative and Alaska's own budget (from a balanced no-surplus no-defecit budget before her term to a $22 million defecit) proves it, she then overexaggerates her experience, and offers no policy information, no plans of what they actually want to change other than "Getting the liberals out of Washington"
I guess George Bush is a liberal then, I guess these last 8 years have been under a liberal platform masquerading as a conservative one, and your sure this time you're supposed conservative (recognized as one of the most liberal republicans in DC) will set things straight.
The only speaker of the GOP who isn't full of %&*( is Paul and your party is literally caving in on itself as it offers nothing but tired party rhetoric and baseless attacks. - ElderBieler, on 09/04/2008, -10/+4Fact, I live in Seattle and talk to gays everyday. Before that I lived in Portland. Aside from San Fran I've interacted with gays quite a bit. (all non-sexually)
Did you seriously just say that Obama's platform is to reduce taxes for all but 10% of wage earners? Let me guess, you're buying into the ol' "only those over 250K will see increases" crap?
Look it up ass hat. He's increasing taxes on those earning 42K+ by 12%. The only ones who are seeing any tax cuts are the poor and elderly. I'm fine with the elderly, but the poor? Let's just feed the poverty cycle with increased social-welfare programs!
Spit out more babies out of wedlock so the rest of us can pay for you to drink and smoke all day while watching Judge Judy.
Perfect. - TheFuzzyOne, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candi ...
Where is your evidence? - JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2Kinda like Bristol Palin? Hypocrite much?
- Kohaxx, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3@Elder
One (Wall Street Journal):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122049208223297697 ...
Two (Chicago Sun Times):
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/103126 ...
Three (CNN): http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/18/obama.taxpl ...
Let me guess, you're getting your information from McCain's ads or FoxNews. There's three well established sources as well as quotes from fiscal politicians citing why his plan will benefit who he's been saying it will benefit. The $50,000 mark you are referencing might be the senior citizen figures but you still have it all wrong.
So, "asshat", where's your evidence? - herbiehancock00, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2sounds like a good drinking game.
- bdfariello, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2@TheFuzzyOne:
Income range:
$227K-$603K
McCain's plan:
-$7,871
Obama's plan:
+$12
I couldn't help but laugh at the $12 increase. It's great seeing the two plans compared side-by-side like that though.
- Paranormalized, on 09/04/2008, -6/+19So how many black people showed up at the Ron Paul convention? I'd guess not many, because black people know all too well what happens when the Feds leave the states to do their own thing.
- saranagati, on 09/04/2008, -2/+5I actually saw quite a few people many different races on the televised ron paul convention. Of course it could have just been the camera men focusing on them.
- JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -3/+6Well said.
- rthakidn, on 09/04/2008, -16/+11It sounds as if Black America is racist, not the GOP. They have supported the ONE by a 9-1 margin. THEY left the republican party. It's not a matter of not being welcomed. Long live the Kwame Kilpatricks of the world. It illustrates how voting by color works. Marion Berry. Barrack Obama. OOPS got ahead of myself.
- datdamonfoo, on 09/04/2008, -2/+9Say hi to Alan Keyes and Condi Rice for me.
- omegared, on 09/04/2008, -2/+9what? why should Black America have to adapt 100%, why can't the Republicans include policies that appeal to whites and blacks?
- JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -1/+13They don't vote Republican, because you and yours only welcome us to serve as alibis. You point to us and say, "See, I have black friends." afterward, you tell us to sit in a corner and wait for a summons. I understand how us "uppity" types frustrate you, and I don't give a *****.
- EtherGnat, on 09/04/2008, -2/+5" They have supported the ONE by a 9-1 margin."
Imagine that. We had two candidates with nearly identical platforms. It was basically a coin toss for much of America which Democratic candidate to choose. When given a choice between two candidates who were otherwise so close, I don't find it particularly odd at all the black community chose somebody who (in many cases) best reflected their own life experiences and embodied the dream of Martin Luther King over somebody who was slightly antagonistic on race issues.
It's not racist to consider race issues important, and I think most people would agree Barack Obama can do more to advance those issues. Did some black people make their decision based on racist reasons? Sure, just like some of them made their decision on sexist reasons. In that they're no different than anybody else, but I just don't see a big issue there. - rthakidn, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1Nice Ether, I can agree with you comments, and I respect those who will admit they made their decision base race, but to insinuate the GOP does not welcome blacks is ridiculous. Javan, you're bitter. It was MLK who said a man should be judged on the content of their character. I'm not allowed to consider peoples character? Obama has none.
- morestar, on 09/04/2008, -17/+12you mean to tell me that the GOP should make sure their party people are black just cause of the fact that they're black? Who cares what color they are?
I can't even believe this got DUGG...
BURIED !- joe7845, on 09/04/2008, -3/+10The point is not that the Republicans should be doing something. The point is that they are something.
1.5% - what a disgrace. - Tebixan, on 09/04/2008, -2/+7You're missing the point here. Nobody is suggesting they artificially create the appearance of diversity in the Republican party. What we are saying is that the Republican party should change it's policies so that it doesn't exclude everyone who doesn't fit their small profile.
The Democratic party doesn't actively recruit minorities, we just don't exclude them. It's become the party of diversity by default, because it's the only major party that cares about you if you aren't party of the "majority".
As the social makeup of the US continutes to diversify, and different races and religions increase in numbers, but Republican party will have to either change it policies, or dissapear.
- joe7845, on 09/04/2008, -3/+10The point is not that the Republicans should be doing something. The point is that they are something.
- biogears, on 09/04/2008, -9/+3Half of the country is female and half of the republican presidential ticket is female - prefect ratio. The dem ticket is sexist!
- TimDigg, on 09/04/2008, -10/+6Actually the GOP is very much so in touch with America....well part east of California and west of Maryland
- housewarmer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Yes, and south of Michigan, Iowa, etc. don't forget the upper midwest there. And perhaps the GOP being "in touch" with much of the midwest has something to do with the near total lack of diversity in the region. Unfamiliarity leads to fear, and uh fear leads to the dark side.
- flamesrule, on 09/04/2008, -1/+7Do try to remember that these people are elected. You don't like it, vote them out or run against them. You can't blame them, blame the people that voted them in. Good lord. But hey, you want to vote for people based on the colour of their skin and not their positions on the issues then fine, live in your screwed up country, just don't complain about it.
- iamthearm, on 09/04/2008, -3/+5Errr.. have you seen the popular vote in the last elections? Out of touch? Half the people that vote vote repbulican.
- jakem1, on 09/04/2008, -3/+4Actually judging by the last couple of elections I don't think you can say that that's true. Also, I think you'll find that it was Republican supporters that were ensuring that black voters never even made it to the polling booths in places like Florida.
- JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1jakem1. Well said. Unfortunately for the Right, there is extensive proof.
- iamthearm, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0Sorry. I don't think so. Every recent election, the popular vote is very very close to 50/50.
- thegreat59, on 09/04/2008, -5/+3The GOP is most definitely out of touch with the American people, but also with the platform that they "stand" behind. I am a conservative but only in political issues, I could care less what people do in the privacy of their homes or whether women should be able to get abortions. This country has too many other problems to deal with. I have supported the GOP up until the point that McCain became the presidential candidate and that's when I decided to vote for Obama to, hopefully, spur a revolution within the GOP and get back to our core political values.
- JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3As a Democrat, I too hope for a true revolution in the GOP. Once a truly grand party, they freed my ancestors in what still, has to be the greatest example of compassion in our two political party system. It hasn't always been like this. Republicans used to be the party of freedom for ALL in this country, Corporate influence and the War machine has decimated this once illustrious party.
- fsuj25, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0That's an interesting point, thegreat59, since mccain is considered a center-right, more moderate republican. Care to elaborate on what about him/his stand on issues actually pushed you to the other side?
- coljung, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3It's even more surprising when people from those minorities still vote republican. I know its a very small %, but still, why do they do it ??
- paintgrl, on 09/05/2008, -1/+1So rich, so white..
- bcerge, on 09/05/2008, -1/+3why does the left always bring race into the picture?
- monoa, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Cuz the right are always racist?
- JasonCox, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2You had a digg up- and then you mentioned Ron Paul.
- jasz, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1no wonder they kept taping the same 2 black fellas during Palin's speech...
- skewl, on 09/04/2008, -31/+167The lack of diversity is out of sync with the demographic changes in the United States.
- sockpuppets, on 09/04/2008, -21/+24We put the remaining blacks in jail, they couldn't have shown up.
- sockpuppets, on 09/04/2008, -2/+21Digg me down all you want bitches I'm not joking:
One in three African-American men aged 20-29 is in jail, on probation or on parole as opposed to one in 15 of their white counterparts.
"Studies have shown that in cities such as Baltimore and Washington at least half of all young black men are either in prison, on parole or on probation.
This has also led to an alarming growth in the number of black people who have lost the right to vote because of their criminal convictions.
Reformers warn that in the states with the most restrictive voting laws, 40% of African American men could soon be permanently disenfranchised in this way. "
So how do you keep black people from voting? Throw them in jail. - BoeHandi, on 09/04/2008, -3/+1It would be pretty funny to see how badly McCain looses the election if you gave back every jailed black persons right to vote.
- ajaxmil, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3I think you got dugg down, not because you don't have a point, but rather talking in the first person as a racist, and what could be construed as making light of a serious situation.
hey, at least you're in the green with your (self)-rebuttal. - ElderBieler, on 09/04/2008, -11/+4Of course we keep putting them in jail. Tell them to stop slinging crack, doing drive by's and jacking cars.
Don't break the law and you don't go to jail.
Oh wait, the great big mean whitey is out there making ***** up on people 'just because.'
This site is a bunch of liberal ass-hats. - shagmin, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2This article is just propaganda, any article that takes some select statistics from a hat pretty much is.
Looking at what one poster said above about Washington and Baltimore having a huge portion of black people in jail, you would think liberal areas such as those would be the worst places to be for minorities. Whereas in small towns in southern states (does it get any redder?) you have a large portion of black people in the population and not such a huge gap in prison population. - vikingkory, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2Does that say something about black people or about the cops. I believe you should revaluate your stance on how cops treat different races.
- sockpuppets, on 09/04/2008, -2/+21Digg me down all you want bitches I'm not joking:
- Hangly, on 09/04/2008, -12/+7Though America's demographics are changing, it remains "mostly white."
Retarded headline is retarded.- joe7845, on 09/04/2008, -0/+6Is "mostly white" 1.5% black? Ridiculous.
- ajaxmil, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1you are a mathemagician.
- joe7845, on 09/04/2008, -0/+6Is "mostly white" 1.5% black? Ridiculous.
- rz8472, on 09/04/2008, -1/+7Looks like Howard Dean was right when he said that the GOP was "pretty much a monolithic white Christian party".
- ElderBieler, on 09/04/2008, -9/+1Looks like Howard Dean is a cheeto stained mouth chub ass.
The fact that you would quote anything which dripped from his nasty fangs reveals your prowress.- chicofaraby, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3"prowress"
Protip: Don't post while drunk. - housewarmer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2Prowress? Did you mean Prowess?
I do not think that means what you think it means.
- chicofaraby, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3"prowress"
- BlackJackJester, on 09/04/2008, -4/+10I think it's more that people immigrate from countries that are far more socialist than even our liberals, and are used to the government running every aspect of their lives. To them, liberals are conservatives, and conservatives are ridiculous. The people from the heartland of America - who are all mostly white - are the ones who value personal freedoms and family values, and as little government interaction as possible. Not saying the neocon's fit the bill, but that's what people want to believe in - and is why conservatives are mostly white. You know it's true
- jakem1, on 09/04/2008, -3/+3Sure they do. Those are the exact same people who so strongly support a woman's freedom to do what she wants with her own body. I think they also support a gay couple's freedom to express their love for one another.
Oh sorry, I didn't notice that you qualified your freedoms with "family values". Now I understand that you mean a person's freedom to shoot someone or die on an electric chair. - ElderBieler, on 09/04/2008, -5/+4A woman forgoes her freedom to make a decision regarding her body as soon as she invites a neutral third party into the equation.
She made her choice and excersised her freedoms when she opened her legs. Now that another person is involved that choice or freedom is removed. - BlackJackJester, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3jakem - I love how you talk about things I didn't even mention. Next time be less stupid when you respond - Just because you're "progressive" as you narcissistic group likes to call themselves, this isn't a black and white issue. Family values doesn't mean oppress women and be pro life. Who said a family has to be between a man and a woman? Did I ever say I was opposed to gay marriage? I recall mentioning "personal freedoms", which encompasses all your points. You're the worst kind of voter - one who blindly stereotypes everyone who doesn't believe exactly what you do.
PS - there was nothing I said remotely close to the death penalty. - chicofaraby, on 09/05/2008, -1/+4"Now that another person is involved that choice or freedom is removed."
No it isn't.
Roe v Wade. That ship has sailed, son.
- jakem1, on 09/04/2008, -3/+3Sure they do. Those are the exact same people who so strongly support a woman's freedom to do what she wants with her own body. I think they also support a gay couple's freedom to express their love for one another.
- Cuchanu, on 09/04/2008, -4/+4I was watching the convention last night and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. No blacks elected to congress, to the senate, or as Governors have been GOP in 6 years! That's unbelievable, but not surprising considering their policies and politics. I saw a couple (literally) of blacks and Hispanics, then the Hawaiians of course.
I got news for the GOP: That kind of ***** will get you nowhere in a few years! We are witnessing the beginning of the end for the Republican party as we know it (thank God).
Did anybody else notice that when they were interviewing delegates after Palin spoke that they all said the best thing about her is that she appealed to normal Americans? Well WTF is that supposed to mean? Because she is a rural white chick she is normal? Well the water doesn't freeze around here, so am I less American because I don't play hockey? Just because she looks like a typical Republican doesn't mean she is any more American than anybody else, unless of course they are prejudiced. Even a Muslim is a normal American because, unlike most countries, America is made up of every type of people from all over the world. Which is hard to believe for a Republican, I know.
Sorry for ranting. I went off on my TV last night about the same thing. - devophl, on 09/04/2008, -1/+3Its interesting that in 2004, the Republicans were really trying to woo the black and Hispanic vote. When you watched the RNC on TV it seemed like every view of the convention floor had a minority in it.
At this convention, you have to look really hard to find a minority. There are no minority speakers and barely a minority in the delegate crowd. Someone mentioned the only minorities at the convention are reporters.
Has the GOP just given up on the minority vote or is it just trying to connect with "white America!"- BrewBeau, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1It seemed really subdued and empty, too. It seemed like they packed them in at the RNC in 2004. Were they trying to pick up the undecided voters who might say, "hey, it doesn't even look like they need my vote. I'm voting for them."?
- DEIx15x8, on 09/04/2008, -4/+4Maybe it has something to do with the minorities being racist. Why is it automatically the party that is considered racist because blacks didn't show up. Maybe it's the blacks that are racist since they are all going for the BLACK candidate instead of having a diverse vote. The Republican party is not a dictatorship. They don't have the power to say 50% of all blacks must vote this way. It's the blacks that chose to only go for the black democratic candidate. What's funny is that the white's then try to defend the black's race driven actions by calling white's racist. Why aren't the whites as united. Shouldn't all whites being voting McCain since he is the White candidate. It seems like that is the meaning of being diverse, everyone vote for the guy that looks like you!
- housewarmer, on 09/05/2008, -1/+4Your argument is ***** - totally bereft of any logic. In fact you should kill yourself. When the choice was between one white dude or another white dude minorities STILL trended democratic. So gee, it would seem that policy trumps skin color. Go figure.
- Cuchanu, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1I second your argument being ***** and full of pseudo-thought. I don't think you should kill yourself, however maybe you should look a little bit deeper into the recent history of the republican party for your answer instead of just saying the first thing that pops into your head.
And although black people voting for a black man for president could be considered "race driven" as you said; it's definitely not racist. It's the desire to see a huge barrier broken. The same as a woman voting for Clinton was not sexist. Look up the definition of racist so you'll be able to use the word properly.
- cjshamrock, on 09/04/2008, -2/+5Voting for McCain, whether you're black or white, makes you a douche in my (and Lincoln's) book.
- paintgrl, on 09/05/2008, -4/+1So rich so white..
- Cuchanu, on 09/05/2008, -1/+1Well statistics show most rich people are white. It's called inequality, you might have heard of it. Besides what does that have to do with what he said?
- paintgrl, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1It is called parody. Let me explain so you get it. Remember way back to Hurricane Katrina? There was a news caster watching a horrible scene of people from New Orleans drowning and said,
So poor so black. It is a play on that to the sea of white faces at the RNC, rich, old white faces, who are all drowning in their own ***** storm... - Cuchanu, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1I misread what you said. I thought you said: "So rich is white.."
- paintgrl, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1No problem, I am sure I should have added a comma :)
- sockpuppets, on 09/04/2008, -21/+24We put the remaining blacks in jail, they couldn't have shown up.
- johnnr2, on 09/04/2008, -47/+238You can only attract so many minorities woth a racist, sexist, heterosexist platform. Given that, they've done quite well.
- Lavarock, on 09/04/2008, -9/+24Minorities aren't any less homophobic than whites.
- rchargel, on 09/04/2008, -5/+32Gays are concidered a minority
- gta3uzi, on 09/04/2008, -24/+4@rchargel
Nowhere on any federal form have I ever seen "[ ] White [ ] Black [ ] Hispanic [ ] Gay"
Just thought I'd put that out there. - wendelgee2, on 09/04/2008, -4/+40He didn't say it was a race, buddy. A minority is any group that isn't a majority of the population. Left-handed people are a minority.
- Terasiel, on 09/04/2008, -3/+10That's because it's not a race. Now if it said. "[]Heterosexual [] Bisexual [] Homosexual [] Other." It would be different. Luckily enough for us in the current version of the United States of America - that's not a required field on any government documentation or legal business application.
- sockpuppets, on 09/04/2008, -3/+17My left hand is gay and my right one is homophobic. It makes for a really uncomfortable time, I have to put a towel on one when I'm romancing the other.
- apothekari, on 09/04/2008, -1/+6@sockpuppets
You got it easy One of my hands is a Necrophiliac and the other's a Pyromaniac I have to immerse my hand in cold water for an hour and then try to masturbate, While the other one flicks lit matches at it. - secrity, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2The Heterosexual is assumed, the problems come in when it is discovered that the assumption was wrong.
- Lukesed, on 09/04/2008, -0/+11One of my hands is a lesbian male to female transvestite, and the other is ex-representative Larry Craig. It's awkward.
- blapierre, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1I am a minority of one.
- Cuchanu, on 09/04/2008, -0/+4@sockpuppets
I guess by your definition my right hand would be bi-sexual. My left hand is strictly for the wifey.
- hatepaste, on 09/04/2008, -22/+9It's kind of funny that you complain of Republicans prejudging and being "bigots", but your post does exactly the same thing to people who have different political views then your own. Way to stereotype an entire segment of the population there!
- bodisatvah, on 09/04/2008, -0/+8It is demonstrable by observing the population of the convention though.
If blacks are equally capable and have the same opportunity, their ratio would reflect the national population more closely.
So the only deductible explanations are either blacks are inherently inferior or they don't have the same opportunity to rise to that level of power in the republican party.
This is of course, ignoring the party platform which directly goes against the interests of the poor and inner city populations, which is the real reason that there are less minorities in the republican party.
- bodisatvah, on 09/04/2008, -0/+8It is demonstrable by observing the population of the convention though.
- Desolite, on 09/04/2008, -8/+6I think you've confused the word "attract" with "recruited."
wink wink, say no more. - Hrodrik, on 09/04/2008, -5/+3You forgot hypocritical, johnnr2.
- cianan, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2Well spoken! It's very telling...indeed.
- darkfire79, on 09/04/2008, -0/+4If anything, they tend to be more homophobic. I've always said I cant believe in a African American or Gay republican.. (at least the modern definition). I also think any African American or Women who voted to ban gay marriage needs to pick up a history book. Those who forget the past, are condemned for repeat it. And some people just really dont care :P..
Oh, Im a gay democrat.. but totally gay for republicans.. mmmm yea.. hot. Okay, may be not... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. toodles.- Cuchanu, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1I think all forms of discrimination are stupid. But most minorities don't like the comparison to homosexuals (as far as civil rights go) because gay people can act hetero if needed, blacks are always black (except MJ). It's a good point but it doesn't mean discrimination is ok.
- cjshamrock, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1Can gays be republicans ? That sounds a little masochistic (or hypocritical) to me. But then again, maybe that's the fun.
- BeyondGoodNEvil, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2Heterosexist? Jesus ***** christ, is that a word now?
- karaokekidd, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2I dugg it down just for that.
- tdogg241, on 09/05/2008, -1/+2Yes it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexism
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=heterosex ...
Language evolves, get over it. The term "flip-flop" had a different meaning in the American lexicon up until 2004. - BrainInAJar, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2"The term "flip-flop" had a different meaning in the American lexicon up until 2004"
what ever happened to the term "waffle" anyways?
(also, I still fail to see what the problem with changing one's mind based on new evidence is )
- zip000, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1It is a bit awkward as a word, but is there a better term for people who are biased or bigoted towards homosexuals?
- Schmapdi, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1I would have just said gay bashing platform myself.
- doctornkul, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1homophobic seems to be a good word.
- kocurejd, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2You know, I'd be willing to bet that the DNC was mostly white too. Perhaps to a lesser degree, but still mostly white. Get a grip, people.
- Cuchanu, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Well since the country is mostly white that would be a safe assumption. But from what I saw on TV (obviously not scientific) the RNC was maybe 3% minority, roughly the same as Utah. The DNC was 15-20% minority, which is in line with most of the country. Or the national average I should say.
- Lavarock, on 09/04/2008, -9/+24Minorities aren't any less homophobic than whites.
- auchris, on 09/04/2008, -18/+98I don't think the lack of diversity is striking so much as that the lack of diversity actually decreased. Minority representation was already pitiably small to begin with, I didn't think you could actually step back from pitiable.
- AndrewMoyer, on 09/04/2008, -3/+5The McCain campaign did when they picked Palin!
- QuadZeroRoute, on 09/04/2008, -6/+4Palin is considered a minority. Anything you can check a box and get a job over is a protected minority.
- housewarmer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2No, women as of 2002 outnumbered men at 51% of the population. That's not to dismiss sexism (which is directly evidenced in your post), but obviously women are not a minority.
- oldgal, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3They have also driven out many long-term republicans by becoming ideologically one-dimensional. Republicans who believed in fiscal responsibility, states rights, separation of church and state and a Department of Defense that defends the country but does not start wars. I try to vote for the person I think will do the best job in the office for which they are running - I have only voted for 2 republicans (1 local, 1 state) in the last 8 years - I used to vote 20% 30% republican. And this in spite of the fact I am quite dissatisfied my democratic senators and reps at the national level right now.
- AngelaQ, on 09/04/2008, -1/+1In the previous two conventions, they went out of their way to make sure there were black, hispanic, and Asian faces at the convention, even if was purely tokenism. This convention they did not make that effort. They have completely lost touch with how the rest of us live.
- MattCalmus, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2Actually, the RNC has more diversity than the DNC. It's just that at the RNC, the more ethnic "representatives" are in the back cooking the food and waiting to clean up the building.
- AndrewMoyer, on 09/04/2008, -3/+5The McCain campaign did when they picked Palin!
- megahan, on 09/04/2008, -27/+120This has nothing to do with race and diversity. The ideas that the Republican party thump are out-dated and backward looking.
- TheEngineer2008, on 09/04/2008, -5/+17I don't think they're racist either. Rather, I think their out-dated and backward looking ideas cause a lack of diversity because these ideas simply don't appeal to many blacks.
- Pitofdoom, on 09/04/2008, -16/+2What appeals to blacks ?
- BoonTobias, on 09/04/2008, -11/+1mass appeal
- boombye, on 09/04/2008, -4/+18It's because they have a lack of culture and understanding other cultures, and most of the time they ostracize people or make them feel unwelcome with their religious beliefs.
- QuadZeroRoute, on 09/04/2008, -15/+4To know what appeals to blacks you have to study ghetto rap music. It seems that 20" rims, cocaine, mary jane, guns, killing gangland style, talking ghetto, teen age pregnant women and calling women whores is what appeals to blacks.
I think the Republicans are trying to appeal to them with Bristol Palin. - boombye, on 09/04/2008, -1/+8None of my friends or I listen to that kind of Rap music, that's mainstream ***** being pushed out by Corporate labels which many of us Urban kids have no respect for. In many hoods, that music is known as sell-out music, which is why they spend more of their time dissing each other for being whack because they're insecure and know they suck compare to intelligent and unique underground hip hop that can cover topics such as comic book heroes.. For example check out Last Emperor's Secret Wars.. The problem is, the white guys in charge of these Corporate labels, think that these songs they have written for these rappers who don't write their own ***** is what people want to hear, when in reality it's mostly what people from the suburbs requests on the radio stations.. Countless times whenever I hear one of my local stations here, it's always some suburban white girl requesting the latest in rap thrash. Real hip hop doesn't get play on the airwaves.
- TimDigg, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3@boombye
It's funny man I was listening to 50 cent and Styles P on the radio awhile back. It's disgusting the kind of individual is, he actually has his corporate buddies black list artists he doesnt like and push back albums from artists who conflict with him.
Styles P also commented on how 50 cent makes fun on poor people in the ghetto. - housewarmer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Hey Quad,
When do you get your white pointy hat back from the cleaners? I hear there's a rally coming up.
- Pitofdoom, on 09/04/2008, -16/+3What is out of date and backwards ?
- Dragular, on 09/04/2008, -17/+4capitalism, apparently.
- rchargel, on 09/04/2008, -6/+13Not so much capitalism, as objectivism and forced religion.
- MadKennyP, on 09/04/2008, -6/+19More tax cuts for the wealthy.
Drilling at all cost.
Ignoring global warming.
Refusing to address the health care crisis.
Advocating torture.
Imposing your religious views on the nation.
Fearmongering.
. . . .
- pintomp3, on 09/04/2008, -6/+28being a minority in the GOP is like being a deer in the NRA.
- datdamonfoo, on 09/04/2008, -1/+3Astute, but being a deer in the NRA is also like being a deer in the GOP.
- NegativeDigg, on 09/04/2008, -2/+11Did you watch the video? They are the party of CHANGE!!..
How lame do you have to be to steal the message of another campaign.- oldgal, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2and lie about it
- cjshamrock, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1well, republicans are lame.
- QuadZeroRoute, on 09/04/2008, -13/+3So by picking a woman, Palin for vice president the Republicans are somehow behind the times whereas the black candidate Obama didn't pick Hillary who won 18 million votes to Bidens 9000 votes....nearly as many people in Wassilla, Alaska is not considered racist or against women and minorities?
Palin is to Alaska
population 683,478
Biden is to Delaware
population 864,764
You could fit 250 states the size of Delaware into the state of Alaska.
Alaska has the same number of electoral college votes as Delaware.
130 times the affirmative action candidate voted present because to vote yes or no was too tough. CEO's mayors and governors must make decisions, you cannot vote present. Obama has never managed anything and has never managed in crisis. Obama is the least experienced candidate in the last 100 years.
I agree with Joe Biden that the position of the President of the United States of America is not the time or place for on the job training. In the single most important decision, to increase the number of on the ground troops John McCain made the right call and called for the increase in the number of troops.
When Joe Biden's wife and children were killed in an accident leaving two children injured and in the hospital, nobody asked Joe Biden how he was going to be a Senator and take care of his family. Sarah Palin has a husband that is very capable of taking care of children and between her husband and care takers they will do fine.
McCain/Palin 08!- bicyclethief, on 09/04/2008, -1/+10What does physical state size have to do with anything? By that logic, Palin has shouldered greater responsibility governing the physically large state of Alaska than any New York City mayor.
You can rationalize and twist all the data you want for Palin. But in the end you have to ask honestly ask yourself: Was Palin the best qualified veep McCain could have selected?
No sane person could possibly answer yes.
- Jackietheblade, on 09/04/2008, -6/+0Well said Quad! Well said!
- joe7845, on 09/04/2008, -1/+6Irrelevant. If Obama had wanted to pander to women, he could've picked Hillary. Clearly, he didn't believe it was the right thing to do.
- bicyclethief, on 09/04/2008, -1/+10What does physical state size have to do with anything? By that logic, Palin has shouldered greater responsibility governing the physically large state of Alaska than any New York City mayor.
- bobjrn2, on 09/04/2008, -1/+5Since when was politics supposed to represent skin color? I thought it was to represent IDEAS. From what I remember, black people are of the same species as white people.
If you want to argue that they don't represent the proportional ideas, that's one thing, but to point out their skin colors don't proportional represent is dumb.- oldgal, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2what's a proportional idea?
People fear what they don't understand. To be successful multicultural societies need to solve the fear problem unless they want to be hierarchical and do the caste/slavery thing - which has always proven to be ultimately unsuccessful. It is difficult for a political party to solve the fear problems if they are culturally one-dimensional and isolated. - wildcardlx, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1I agree with the idea oldgal, that the different races in our society should try and get along, but your assertion about multicultural societies is untrue. Many societies have existed with slavery and a caste system (i.e. the Roman Empire) and met a lot of success regardless. Of course the society fell, but then again, it lasted a lot longer than America has and longer than most other societies. So then, your assertion about a political party needing to appeal to all races and cultures is also false as our own society has essentially been run along white interests alone and is still very successful.
- oldgal, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2what's a proportional idea?
- TheEngineer2008, on 09/04/2008, -5/+17I don't think they're racist either. Rather, I think their out-dated and backward looking ideas cause a lack of diversity because these ideas simply don't appeal to many blacks.
- cheesegypsy, on 09/04/2008, -27/+146In my less enlightened days I worked at the Heritage Foundation and was appalled by the racist comments and attitudes I encountered in some of my colleagues. The immigration issue has rooted many of them out and shown the party for what it is, a group of angry white people who are afraid of losing their "christian nation." The sheer paucity of black people at the convention is telling, and it's not just because Obama is running. Many black people who might have voted Republican four years ago have not forgotten the ugly lesson of Hurricane Katrina.
- Pitofdoom, on 09/04/2008, -30/+6So Katrina's whites fault ?
95% of blacks voting for Obama isn't racist ?
Only pagans welcome the loss of Christianity,
what are the alternatives ?- kayala, on 09/04/2008, -6/+32Pit, try harder to make sense when you post.
The hurricane itself was not anyone's fault; the awful mismanagement thereafter was.
Your next one is twofold. First, which party do you think has more black members, the Republicans or Democrats? Which candidate do you think most Democrats will vote for, the Republican or the Democrat? Second, there's a huge difference between refusing to vote for someone on the basis of his skin being another color because you think that he must be inferior for that reason alone, and voting for someone because you know that skin color does not stop someone from actually being superior.
I happily welcome the loss of Christianity, and I am an atheist, not a pagan. Your assertion is false, dumbass. The alternative I suggest is living in the real world instead of burying one's head in the sand and screaming loudly to shut out any suggestion that one's delusion is just that - a delusion, not real. - nmezib, on 09/04/2008, -4/+16Thank you, kayala. Could not have said it better.
- Pitofdoom, on 09/04/2008, -18/+3So, long standing worthless pyramid's of bureaucracies is solely the republicans fault.
"the first black president's wife" Hillary Vs. Obama,
shouldn't have even been a contest !
Who's made a claim of inferior ?
Living in the real world as exampled by what ? - boombye, on 09/04/2008, -2/+18Get over yourself. Sure Bill was coined jokingly as the "first black president" because of his policies and how cool and down to earth he was... But that does not make him officially black, and that's not why he was elected. Hillary lost because her platform was not as good, and because she conducted her campaign like a neo-con republican aka Rovian tactics. She screwed up her election by February and there was no way that she would've won, and she didn't.
- ShisouKen, on 09/04/2008, -2/+10Kayala and boombye wrapped this up nicely
- hatepaste, on 09/04/2008, -14/+4So all white people mishandled the aftermath of hurricane Katrina? Those people were told to leave, but refused to do so.
Also, the African American population has been voting democrat for as long as I can remember, yet they still claim to have problems/social issues. You would think they would try voting differently once and see how it works out. According to them, it hasn't worked up to this point. - Bith8654, on 09/04/2008, -0/+9@hatepaste, African Americans don't need to vote republican to "see how it works out" because they saw how these last 8 years have "worked out" as opposed to the four years before that. Regardless, politics can't fix racism. No bill or policy can get people to stop hating and judging, the culture has to change. Unfortunately, that can take generations.
- rthakidn, on 09/04/2008, -9/+2@kayala Response to Katrina was not matter of too little too late, it was a matter of giving someone who was unqualified to lead the resources to handle the situation, that person being the honorable "chocolate city" Ray Nagin. (oops did I say qualified, there it is again). Minorities will vote for democrats because the DNC pushes social "welfare" programs that benefit mostly urban areas, which have a high density of minorities. As for the assertion that republicans are racist, I think that is farthest from the truth. C. Rice, Kenneth Blackwell or JC Watts would have been great candidates, but alas they are qualified (there's that word again)
- rchargel, on 09/04/2008, -2/+5@Pitofdoom
Whaaa???? First of all the 'Clinton was the first black president' gag is dumb, as I'm fairly certain he's white. Also the majority of blacks have voted for white candidates in the past. In fact they have voted against black candidates who were running against white candidates (http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=when_i ... It is a laughable assertion at best.
Also, while I think there are plenty of viable alternatives to Christianity, (Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, atheism, hedonism [personal favorite], etc..) I would hate to see a true loss of Christianity. It is an incredibly tolerant religion at its core. The Gospel of St. Mathew contains some of the most eloquent, soul shattering, and truly human writing in the history of religious texts. Just look at the story of the centurion (Mathew 8:5-13), how even a Roman Soldier could be loved by God because he is able to look upon himself with humility and have love for those who might be scene as beneath him. There is also Mathew 5:39, "But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also", or Luke 6:27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you". I mean those are all amazing acts of tolerance and of love. Look at 1 John 4:8 "Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love."
The notion that love is fundamental to Christendom has been lost. I wonder what Christ would really think about people killing and maiming in his name. What would He say about the Inquisition, the Crusades, or the hate that spews from the mouths of men who call themselves priests and ministers? I wonder how many people who call themselves Christians would not condemn Christ, if He were alive today, as a radical. I could say the same thing about the Profit Muhammad and the insanity of the modern mujahidin. Remember that Muhammad said that the Jihad of Soul is greater than the Jihad of the Sword.
It's just like the debates in this forum. The vitriol spewed out here by both sides is ridiculous. Why can't we disagree without resorting to 'libtards' or 'rightards' (both of which are supremely inane)? Besides it totally destroys your argument. - rchargel, on 09/04/2008, -4/+1@rchargel
Fag!! - kayala, on 09/04/2008, -1/+6mombassa, I'm curious. How am I suffering from delusion? I do not believe in any make-believe fantasy creatures; I dwell in the world of reality. Instead of saying something stupid and trying to make it sound deep, give me something of substance. Show me how I'm wrong. Show me your imaginary friend. Put up or shut up.
- kayala, on 09/05/2008, -1/+3How precious, it's a little Digger trying to look hard on the Internet? If you're going to make a suggestion like that, then you'd do well to back it up, moron. You can return to kindergarten now.
- kayala, on 09/06/2008, -1/+3I must've been feeling rather inquisitive, because I accidentally typed a question mark rather than an exclamation point.
- Squidwalk, on 09/06/2008, -0/+4mombassa,
There are several, rather glaring flaws in your reason.
First off, by asking the delusion question to kayala, you were purposefully insinuating that she is delusional. This is called a leading question, but you know that.
Second, what is this "12-year-old" crack about? Anyone who has a semblance of an idea how to argue know that you attack the premises of your opponent. You know what 12-year-olds do? They call names. Ad hominum attacks. Like calling someone a 12-year-old.
Third, believing one is right about their choices is hardly a mental disorder. While a healthy amount of questioning reason is useful in any circumstance, generally believing that you might be wrong about every stance you take sounds schizoid.
I'm not even going to start on your "A rational worldview (paradigm?) has is founded upon falsifiable premises." line. Are you referring to Cartesian skepticism? Are you insinuating that the only justified epistemological paradigm is hard skepticism? You can't just write that and expect everyone to accept it.
Now as for this "atheists who refuse to admit their worldview could be wrong are no better than any other fundamentalists" nonsense, it's called Russell's Teapot. The burden of proof is not on the atheists, it's on the people who claim that everyone should change their lives based on a non-perceivable entity. Anyone can arbitrarily concoct a non-perceivable entity, and make whatever claim about it they feel like. There's no reason rational people should bother wasting our time thinking about it though. There aren't any atheists that hold, "there could never be a god." There are many of them that hold, "I will not respond to non-perceivable entities based on questionable report alone."
- kayala, on 09/04/2008, -6/+32Pit, try harder to make sense when you post.
- 420buddah, on 09/04/2008, -0/+13Coincidently I did a quick search in google for the "republican base", and came up with this article: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/ ...
According to the article, Republicans are predominantly made up of people who are married christians, and identify themselves as conservative.
I don't think it's so much racism as it is...say narrow culturalism?- Zuljin, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2To be fair, the Republican party IS conservative, just like the Democratic party is liberal. It's straightforward.
And a lot of America is married Christians. I wouldn't be shocked if they made up the largest segment of the Democratic party. Being a married Christian != bigot (Or "narrow culturalism"). Suggesting that is pretty darn narrow of you.
And before the knee jerk reactions, neither Christian, conservative, or married here. - 420buddah, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3Edit: I made a mistake. I should have said people who VOTE Republican are primarily conservative married Christians.
That article said that over 60% of Republican voters were married white Christians which is up from 40% in 1950. This suggests the Republican votership has been becoming more homogeneous over time. Also it states that married white christians have been declining over the same period of time. Fox example, less than 20% of voters under than age of 30 are married white Christians. It goes on to state that amongst those individuals who consider themselves conservative and are married white Christians, the percent of those who vote Republican has increased 26% from 64% to 90%. At the same time the percentage of those who identify as liberal and are married white Christians, the percent of those who vote Republican has decreased 10% from 23% to 13%.
So basically when I say "narrow cultularism", I'm referring to that 90% block of conservative Christians who make up a large part of that 60+% block of Republican voters. I don't know why you would see anything wrong with that phrase because I think I'm just pointing out the obvious. What I mean is if the Republican party has a fairly large group of people with a particular set of interests supporting it, then wouldn't they want to align their platform with it's goals and motivations in order to keep their support?
I didn't think I was equating married Christian with being a bigot, (their could be bigots int the group), I was simply stating the homogeneous and fairly well defined nature of the base votership Republican party.
- Zuljin, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2To be fair, the Republican party IS conservative, just like the Democratic party is liberal. It's straightforward.
- cianan, on 09/04/2008, -0/+5You understand these things because you've seen them from the inside. It's not a truth America wants to admit.
- kigcoopa84, on 09/04/2008, -1/+12As someone with a degree in Emergency Management and former employee of FEMA I will not deny that FEMA messed up POST Katrina. As for the barge crashing through the industrial canal levy- City's fault
Lack of evacuation- City/States fault.
Lack of immediate assistance - States/Cities fault
Lack of proper shelters - City's fault
Looting/ lawlessness - City's fault
sub-par Levy's - States fault
Electing the same politicians that continue to screw over the people of Louisiana - The citizens fault
There is plenty of blame to go around, but in the last hurricane did you see FEMA taking charge of evacuations? Did you see a giant mobilization of federal employees ready to descend on the effected area? No you didn't because all that responsibility is left to the state. This is why Mississippi did not have the same problems but suffered equal devastation because the had a grasp of this concept before Katrina.- enri, on 09/04/2008, -1/+4Since you did such a good job of pointing out the city's and state's faults, I thought I would make sure the blame was fairly distributed.
FEMA officals ignoring reports that trailers they provided contained toxic levels of formaldehyde - FEMA's fault
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23168160/
Negligence in distributing $85 million in supplies to hurricane victims - FEMA's fault
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/11/fema.giveaway/ind ...
"When Wal-Mart sent three trailer trucks loaded with water, FEMA officials turned them away, he said. Agency workers prevented the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel, and on Saturday they cut the parish's emergency communications line, leading the sheriff to restore it and post armed guards to protect it from FEMA, Mr. Broussard said." - all FEMA's fault
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationa ... - ousthouse, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3City's fault. State's fault. Federal's fault. +1 Walmart.
- kigcoopa84, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1@enri - The reason the wal-mart trucks were turned away was because the city was still flooded and per the city and states governments orders, no civilian was allowed in. This may not make since, alot of things in the government don't, but they do have to maintain a certain level of accountability. Untrained truck drivers in the still flooded New Orleans, pledged by crime, represented a huge unnecessary risk. Why FEMA didn't take the supplies to distribute its self is beyond be, but most likely has to do with the unavoidable red-tape that comes with any government office.
To the rest of the stuff you said, couldn't agree more.
- enri, on 09/04/2008, -1/+4Since you did such a good job of pointing out the city's and state's faults, I thought I would make sure the blame was fairly distributed.
- flashingcurser, on 09/04/2008, -7/+3You never worked for the Heritage Foundation. Nobody goes from working at the Heritage Foundation to becoming a talking-points Obama supporter. I call ***** "James Monroe". You joined digg in march to digg up anti-McCain stories. Look at your history.
Sorry I couldn't help myself... where am I at?... oh that's right Digg, sorry I take it all back.- cheesegypsy, on 09/05/2008, -1/+1Yep, you are right, I did join Digg in March, and yes, I primarily joined to Digg stories for progressives. I don't deny it, haven't said anything that branded me as anything less than progressive.
You don't really deserve an explanation, but I'll give you one anyway. I grew up an evangelical christian, went to washington with my conservative religious beliefs in tow, met some important and not-so-important people, worked at Heritage, and ended up meeting a human rights activist who started to open my mind to a lot of things. Before then I had never been out of the country (like Palin), knew mostly conservative white protestants and a few black ones (like Palin), and generally lived in a homogenous bubble, the kind we see at the Republican convention. Whether you believe the story or not, I don't care, but I figure other people will search out my comments and I'll save them the trouble of accusing me of digging political stories in support of my beliefs since that's what I'm doing. - flashingcurser, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Being a libertarian, I probably have more issues with McCain than you do. You can look through my posting history, so you can put away any thoughts that I might be an operative for McCain.
One question, why can't you just say "I'm a liberal"? What is with all of this "progressive" crap? Why the secret code? Are you ashamed? Only pundits and washington insiders use the word progressive when they mean liberal.
Being a Buddhist, there is nothing worse than an ex-christian. They're like ex-smokers always bitching about other peoples cigarettes, all the while wanting one.
I'm a social liberal, a fiscal conservative. This is why I cannot vote for either McBama or is that OCain. They have the same financial policy-- grow an already oppressive government.
I am not sure why I'm responding to an Obam-bot. And no, I don't believe you. Oh well, maybe you could start posting on other things with your other 4 or 5 accounts and we could find some common interest. Or maybe not.... - flashingcurser, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Oh and one other thing, looking at the heritage foundation website I see one of the board members/director is a black woman. Did these imagined heritage foundation members say racial slurs around her? Or did they encourage it behind her back?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Coles_James
Did they say asian slurs around this guy?
http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/KihoLee.cfm
Or anti-semitic around this guy?
http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/benlieberman.c ...
Or derogatory Hispanic comments around this guy?
http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/IsraelOrtega.c ...
- cheesegypsy, on 09/05/2008, -1/+1Yep, you are right, I did join Digg in March, and yes, I primarily joined to Digg stories for progressives. I don't deny it, haven't said anything that branded me as anything less than progressive.
- biogears, on 09/04/2008, -2/+0The response of the government (some of them black) to Katrina is racism?
- normalkid0615, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2ANTI CHRISTIAN NATION - ***** Your Zombie Jesus
- TimDigg, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3For comparison, I'm black and my grandpa voted for republican through Ronald Regan...but ever since George H.W. Bush he's been voting democrat.
Even blacks who typically vote republican are becoming democrats.
The party switched dramatically during the GHW Bush era.- Pitofdoom, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1How ?
- oldgal, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2JFK got put through the wringer on "the pope will be dictating decisions" which he handled by giving a speech outlining his belief in the separation of church and state and lived up to the commitment. Mitt Romney, a Mormon went through the same type thing. Why is it that the evangelicals and their would be christian-imams are not put through the wringer on separation of church and state when it is a stated agenda to legislate their religion into the constitution? We have allowed them to hijack the Christian label, and a political party - are we really willing to let them hijack the whole country? Most Christians I know are outraged by this group.
- Pitofdoom, on 09/04/2008, -30/+6So Katrina's whites fault ?
- muckemuck, on 09/04/2008, -17/+58One of those 36 is from NC, and the NC GOP "old guard" fought hard to try to keep her from winning. She's only there because the Ron Paul supporters (a block of roughly 10% of the convention) got behind her and gave her the extra votes needed to win. They saw that she might work to reform the NC GOP and help wrestle control of it away from the neo-conservatives. http://blog.lawsonforcongress.com/2008/06/08/thoug ...
- silverbulletky, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2Well... she's still there isn't she?? She didn't have to support McCain.
- AnakSeria, on 09/04/2008, -22/+92The Republican Party, what it stands for, what it is, and especially what it has become, is a throwback to the past.
Not only was there primarily a sea of white, I saw a sea of old white faces.
It's not only a homogenous party, but an aging party.
People are tired of divisive politics.
People are tired of slick spin-machine elevator pitches.
People are tired of morally and ethically corrupt politicians who say one thing, but do the exact opposite outside of the limelight.
People are tired of those without the ability and capacity to lead, make good judgement calls.
People want change.
Make that change happen.- opinionsstink, on 09/04/2008, -11/+14"People are tired of divisive politics.
People are tired of slick spin-machine elevator pitches.
People are tired of morally and ethically corrupt politicians who say one thing, but do the exact opposite outside of the limelight.
People are tired of those without the ability and capacity to lead, make good judgment calls."
sorry, but are we still talking about the Republican party here...
/sarcasm- PolishLogic, on 09/04/2008, -8/+10I agree, it's awfully tough to figure out what party he's talking about based this.
- scubaman5000, on 09/04/2008, -2/+6"People are tired of those without the ability and capacity to lead, make good judgment calls."
Well that's obviously directed toward McCain... but you're right. It could be any political party.
- Lavarock, on 09/04/2008, -4/+26Yeah. People are tired of both of these ***** parties.
- rchargel, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1I'm with you on that one. Scrap the whole system I say. Just wait till the Purge, and all will be made right.
- shieldsikebana, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2wtf? the purge?
- DangerCollie, on 09/04/2008, -3/+17How do you cause a riot at the Republican convention?
Yell BINGO! - gall0wsp0le, on 09/04/2008, -4/+4People are ready for change and are tired of ***** - until a Republican tells them a Democrat is trying to burn down their church, steal their life savings and take their guns away.
Never forget the huge numbers of Americans voting out of fear, blind faith and stupidity. None of those things disqualifies you from voting.
Cognitive dissonance - it's a powerful thing.- prahareturns, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0That's about all of America....Democrats fear Republicans and Republicans fear the Democrats...and both parties propagate the fear.
- freezejeans, on 09/04/2008, -4/+3LOL
- TSK05, on 09/04/2008, -4/+6"Democrat is trying to burn down their church, steal their life savings and take their guns away. "
Well, the guns part is certainly true. Never forget that sheep vote for Obama out of his eloquence reading a speech someone else wrote. For someone running on change, he has a surprising lack of making any while senator or any other position he's held. - QuadZeroRoute, on 09/04/2008, -5/+4So by picking a woman, the Republicans are throw backs? Somehow I don't think that is right. The Republican party is as progressive as the Democratic party. The Democratic party picked an affirmative action candidate and the Republicans picked a woman....sounds equal to me.
- winnestow, on 09/05/2008, -1/+1palin = change
obama = rezko, bill ayers, g d america, same old corrupt politics
- opinionsstink, on 09/04/2008, -11/+14"People are tired of divisive politics.
- HeDiggMe, on 09/04/2008, -16/+63This party is completely held hostage by its base. They don't have a clue how many Log Cabin Republicans, moderate Christan blacks, and socially progressive business types would love to vote for them if they took a chance at courting the middle. But thats the catch-22 of risk-taking: they're conservative by definition.
- rthakidn, on 09/04/2008, -7/+3The idea that the middle must be "courted" is a absurd. The problem is Americans are fickle. The GOP will not compromise on their principles in order to attract people. If it's not what America wants, so be it. The Dems on the other hand, wet their finger and follow the polls. It's never about right and wrong with them. Drilling is a perfect example.
- TimDigg, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3A log cabin republican is a gay/lesbian republican for those who didn't know...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans - HeDiggMe, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3You're a naive moron. Both parties are a reflection of the people in them--and that constantly changes. This is why Lincoln Chafee and Joe Lieberman have left their parties. All the most important voters must be courted. Reagan won bc he would "work the difference" between himself and his opponents. Between two parties that means the same thing as courting the middle.
- JustSomeDood, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2"The GOP will not compromise on their principles in order to attract people. "
You can't be serious? First off what are their principles? Pro life while in the womb, but after that ***** it your on your own? Bibles in schools instead of science books? Corporate bailouts, tax breaks etc while ignoring the middle class?
Seriously. I still can't figure out what the republicans stand for besides some hypocritical belief in an old white guy in the sky? - housewarmer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Let's also not forget that since the civil war the polarities of the Republican and Democratic parties have reversed. So somewhere along the line the GOP must have "compromised their principles" as you say.
- rthakidn, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1It's nice to see I've made so many friends here at DIGG. So being called a moron by a complete idiot is somewhat of a compliment. Reagan did not compromise, his message was more "right" than anything being spouted today. As for protection in the womb and after that FU, you're right. The republican message is that of self reliance not cradle to grave subsidies and last, the polarization of the parties has not reversed, only become more extreme. Lincoln gave America and slaves the freedom to make the most out of America. The democrats since then have been doing everything the can, in the way of a welfare state, to keep America dependent on government thereby taking their freedom away.
- TimDigg, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3A log cabin republican is a gay/lesbian republican for those who didn't know...
- computerfreedom, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1its fundamentalism more than conservatism that has lead this party, with our nation in tow, down this dark road. thomas paine was right.
yo christ, your possie sucks!! - winnestow, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1clarence thomas would be offended
- rthakidn, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1You know Clarence?
- rthakidn, on 09/04/2008, -7/+3The idea that the middle must be "courted" is a absurd. The problem is Americans are fickle. The GOP will not compromise on their principles in order to attract people. If it's not what America wants, so be it. The Dems on the other hand, wet their finger and follow the polls. It's never about right and wrong with them. Drilling is a perfect example.
- BXRWXR, on 09/04/2008, -14/+44They held the convention in Minnesota. Can you get whiter than that?
/Sorry Prince./- Terasiel, on 09/04/2008, -2/+23Yes you could. In Utah.
- altagracia80, on 09/04/2008, -4/+12you mean whiter than denver, colorado????????????????
- wonderbriefs, on 09/04/2008, -1/+8As someone who moved from Minnesota to Denver, you're not making much sense. Denver is far more diverse than Twin Cities. Although Terasiel is correct, Utah is probably the whitest place on earth.
- bman1984, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1Speaking of white, the black community in my city of 80,000 is small enough to be on a first name basis.
- TheShad0w, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1Might I suggest that you go touch up your demographic information about a city before making an asinine comment about it?
- prahareturns, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0Have you ever been to Denver???
The City & County of Denver has a diverse ethnic population including 11.1% African American; 31.7% Hispanic; 2.8% Asian and 1.3% Native American.
- hatepaste, on 09/04/2008, -6/+5I think I can. Denver?
- prahareturns, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0Thinking and reality are two different concepts....
The City & County of Denver has a diverse ethnic population including 11.1% African American; 31.7% Hispanic; 2.8% Asian and 1.3% Native American.
Damn, facts on digg...sorry about that.
- prahareturns, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0Thinking and reality are two different concepts....
- cadmiumpaint, on 09/04/2008, -7/+5Its also an Obama state, so its also dumb planning.
- hatepaste, on 09/04/2008, -1/+4Ummm...Minnesota was won by less then 5% of the vote last election.
- zip000, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3That's probably one of the reasons why they are there.
- ProjectGSX, on 09/04/2008, -0/+8Its just Prince and Kirby Puckett man.
- BigPapi, on 09/04/2008, -0/+4Now it's down to just Prince. RIP Kirby.
- FAMILYPOST, on 09/04/2008, -1/+1The Twin Cities, in Minnesota, have had and do have some amazing thinkers, as someone said, it is an Obama state, that took some thought for white people. Their ideas are thought over one cold winter at a time. They produce a lot of good fruit,
Diverse-Good-Fruit. That makes them a Free-Joyful-People.
- peticsu, on 09/04/2008, -19/+58remember gang...the liiiibrul media invented diversity to criticize the GOP
- chicofaraby, on 09/04/2008, -40/+38It's amazing that 36 black people joined the party of racism.
- moolaismyfriend, on 09/04/2008, -7/+42What's even more amazing is that there are gay Republicans.
That blows every rational thought process out of this solar system.- JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -1/+5In fairness, The Right hasn't always been this way. In fact if not for Conservatives, Slavery might very well still exist. Honest Abe was, in fact, a Republican. What we see now, is the effects of Dems, moving to the right after the Civil Rights movement and the effects it had on our country. A sweeping change occurred at that point, and the parties switched philosophies.
- TimDigg, on 09/04/2008, -1/+2"Honest Abe" didn't care about ending slavery.
- fluxion, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2Honest Abe was a Republican...when being a Republican was cool
As you said, Republicans used to be "liberal", Democrats were conservatives (Texas and the confederate states were all primarily Democratic up until the mid 1900's, and they weren't pushing for civil rights)
Conservatives and liberals, however, have remained pretty consistent in their ideologies, but that's not to say Republicans of today can take credit for things people like Lincoln did...the party back then wasnt a conservative idealogy really
- Dragular, on 09/04/2008, -12/+18Lets see, Clarence Thomas, the second African American nominated to the Supreme Court was nominated by George Bush 1, Condoleeza Rice is the first African-American Female nominated Secretary of State.
OH but wait, I forgot, that's Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima. After all it's not racist if they're conservative, right?- boombye, on 09/04/2008, -9/+14Condoleeza Rice is nobody to be proud of. Nobody in the Bush administration is, since they're all war mongers. Not to mention, they're the Neo-Cons that hijacked the Republican party. The real Republicans were at Rally for the Republic this week to see Ron Paul.
- swollentiki, on 09/04/2008, -8/+6I would take Condoleeza Rice over Hillary Clinton any day. And the whole idea of Republicans being racist is showing how ignorant you are.
- JavanSClark, on 09/04/2008, -3/+4/Agree
Clarence Thomas is an Uncle Tom. Do some research and you'll see those thoughts are well founded.
- ryan83189, on 09/04/2008, -5/+13The 13th, 14th and 15th amendment racists? The ones who put qualified, deserving minorities in the highest positions in this administration racists? They arguably did more for the black population than any one else, with the only possible exception being the democrats under LBJ with the civil rights movement. The democrats are still enjoying party loyalty from that man, but lets not forget who laid the foundation for all of this. Republicans are certainly not shunning away any supporters due to race, they really need all of the support they can get. If minorities don't like their politics, fine, but don't call it racism because that is simply not true.
- hatdrop, on 09/04/2008, -6/+0it only took 100 years and the use of federal intervention (sadly) for those amendments to mean anything.
guess you never heard anything about grandfather clauses and literacy tests - ryan83189, on 09/04/2008, -0/+3Well things were kind of hard to get by the southern democrats.
- eggsovereasy, on 09/04/2008, -1/+4Wow, you realize that most of that took place in the south which was a Democrat stronghold at the time?
Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1 ... - hatdrop, on 09/04/2008, -1/+0and you do realize that the reason reconstruction didn't work (the enforcement of those amendments) was because the republicans pulled out so they could keep the white house?
- hatdrop, on 09/04/2008, -6/+0it only took 100 years and the use of federal intervention (sadly) for those amendments to mean anything.
- thedogfatherx, on 09/04/2008, -9/+2Your a dumbass. That is all. I'm could write about three paragraphs replying to your statement but i'm not. Your a dumb dumb human. Dumb dumb head.
- Nathan187, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2That's *you're*
- thedogfatherx, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2@Nathan
whet are u taking abot?
Thanks for the grammar check you *****. !!You're!! the special person of the day. You get a star.
- Pedestrian101, on 09/04/2008, -0/+6You are the ***** dumbest person ever.
- chicofaraby, on 09/05/2008, -4/+1I get that a lot from racists.
- BeyondGoodNEvil, on 09/04/2008, -4/+6Yeah blacks tend to vote for whoever gives them other people's money or is less harsh on crime, so that automatically disqualifies most Republican candidates.
- moolaismyfriend, on 09/04/2008, -7/+42What's even more amazing is that there are gay Republicans.
- TruthExposed, on 09/04/2008, -42/+32Does this mean that the Dems are prejudice against white people?
- kayala, on 09/04/2008, -23/+11Nobody is prejudice. People might, however, be prejudiced. Idiot.
- kaelyiesta, on 09/04/2008, -1/+6The sad thing is, I suspect, no one is burying you for your pedantry but instead out of misunderstanding.
- kayala, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2No, no, I got it. I just hate it when people say "you're so prejudice" when they mean "prejudiced."
- TruthExposed, on 09/04/2008, -5/+15I am glad kayala is not my english teacher.
- wackyronpauI, on 09/04/2008, -9/+17Their policies would seem to indicate that they are.
- GansGans, on 09/04/2008, -5/+4Kayala would have been a better English teacher than the one you and everyone else burying her had.
http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/errors/prejudice.html
If you want to use prejudice as a noun, then rephrase your sentence: "Does this mean that the Dems have a prejudice against white people?" A simple error that simple people make.- TruthExposed, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2Our cultures common use of words determines our language characteristics, not the academic aristocracy. If it was the academic aristocracy, we would still be speaking Shakespearean English, or Latin.
Using the academic aristocracy to define proper English could be used to discriminate against ethnic minorities, as both commonly use their own dialects or carry native accents. - Gutterpunk, on 09/04/2008, -2/+3@ TruthExposed : What the hell are you babbling about. There is a perfectly good word to use in this case, and it's "Prejudiced"
"Does this mean that the Dems are prejudiced against white people?"
When you don't use the word correctly doesn't mean that the academic aristocracy is wrong, it means that you are. - wackyronpauI, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2LOL Gutterpunk - the language belongs to the people who use it, not some academics. We would all be speaking some ancient language with no written version if we did that - there is nothing evil about languages evolving over time, even if English professors say it is a horrible thing that we no longer use several different tenses for "the" such as thou and thee.
you are free to speak Shakespearean English if you want, but remember, it was the speakers of English who facilitated the evolution of the English language, and the academics followed their lead, not the other way around.
- TruthExposed, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2Our cultures common use of words determines our language characteristics, not the academic aristocracy. If it was the academic aristocracy, we would still be speaking Shakespearean English, or Latin.
- kayala, on 09/04/2008, -23/+11Nobody is prejudice. People might, however, be prejudiced. Idiot.
- moolaismyfriend, on 09/04/2008, -21/+89When you start mocking community organizers, you are gonna loose the people who care about this country.
That's why the convention was full of old, white, rich, boy's club assholes.- diggit83, on 09/04/2008, -5/+12even my wife last night said "Look at all those rich, smug looking assholes"
I said I know, their time is coming to an end, dont worry.- CaptainShaun, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1You're very naive if you think the golden rule will ever change. Those that hold the gold make the rules.
- bostonvoip, on 09/04/2008, -5/+2"That's why the convention was full of old, white, rich, boy's club assholes."
I'm sure that all the dems are poor, blue bloods?...Obama, Kerry, Gore, Kennedy. Yes - the dems are the party of the working people!- beesaretasty, on 09/04/2008, -1/+9Why do people keep throwing Obama in that mix? Though he's made a good living in his adult life, it's only his books that made him rich not some sort of inheritance or marriage. I'm not a fan of some of his decisions, but he's rich on his own merits and even then it's only been recently that he could be considered so.
- prahareturns, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0@ beesaretasty
First, I love the name...insects are tasty.
Although, bostonvoip is trying to highlight partisan politics he does have a point which Obama adheres to in his speeches. According to Obama's definition of wealthy the Obama's fall into "rich" America. Just because someones parents realized the American dream and will their inheritance to their children does not necessarily make the children bad people or Republicans.
Although I'm not a beneficiary of the practice I feel that Americans who have been successful in life and pass their wealth onto their children should not be looked down upon (both the parents and the children). Although I am in favor of maintaining the "death tax".
- silverbulletky, on 09/04/2008, -4/+2Community Organizer... LOL
- diggit83, on 09/04/2008, -5/+12even my wife last night said "Look at all those rich, smug looking assholes"
- diggdatt, on 09/04/2008, -9/+22The only diehard iraq supporters are those that only care about how many family members they have that have died in wars. It helps make them feel more american than the indians. lets face it the most patriotic people are usually the most racist. Add to that the evangelical base, which fear that if some gay gets married that america will fall into satan's hands, sorry thats already happened and it wasnt because of who is sleeping with who.
They should just get rid of the american flag and put up a burning cross- boombye, on 09/04/2008, -1/+16Screw Evangelicals, they act like they're the only Christians in the world and their tactics are so easy to manipulate people. You and I can make a lot of money off of them. You have no clue how easy it is.
See this video for proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxfThlCcfHI
All the tricks he does are still in use today, and still work. This is how I earn my money. No not really, but it would teach people a lesson in not being so gullible.- bman1984, on 09/04/2008, -0/+2I cooked 300 grilled cheese sandwiches one time trying to get that had a jesus picture on it to earn a tidy profit. It didn't work out so well.
- imasuperDOTcom, on 09/04/2008, -4/+7diggdatt "lets face it the most patriotic people are usually the most racist"
WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what you're saying?- Zaxcomp, on 09/04/2008, -0/+7I think he meant jingoistic and not patriotic.
- SpinningHead, on 09/04/2008, -0/+6I would swap out your use of the term "patriotic" with "nationalistic".
- prahareturns, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0Seriously, who is digging this up? Regardless of party affiliation to equate patriotism with racism is just ridiculous. Some of our biggest patriots are those who fight against tyranny, oppression, and racism.
- boombye, on 09/04/2008, -1/+16Screw Evangelicals, they act like they're the only Christians in the world and their tactics are so easy to manipulate people. You and I can make a lot of money off of them. You have no clue how easy it is.
- rjyanj, on 09/04/2