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McCain: I 'Didn't Love America' Until Held Prisoner (VIDEO)
huffingtonpost.com — Republicans have hammered Michelle Obama for her remarks in February that she was proud of America "for the first time in my adult life." Tonight, however, Dan Abrams showed footage he uncovered of a Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company."
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- greatgran1, on 06/20/2008, -34/+72Should we analyze the difference between,"first time really being proud",and "didn't really love? If reporters decide they want to have some fun with what John says on the campaign trail and in the Townhalls,he is going to be exposed big time.He was never a fast learner when he was young.As for begging for the townhall meets with Barack,he should be careful of getting that wish,my friends.
- an0nymous, on 06/20/2008, -9/+26If McCain really loved America he would speakout against the telecom immunity bill going through today.
http://digg.com/politics/George_Bush_s_Latest_Powe ...
Of course, that kind of raises the question: where is Obama?- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7I hope voting against it.
He is for network neutrality, so he has some idea of why technology and freedom of speech online are important... lets hope he stands against this bill as well. - Charlotte_Web, on 06/20/2008, -4/+8The main difference being that McCain held that sentiment 40 years ago; he didn't suddenly discover it on the campaign trail like Michelle.
- JaronDiggGuy, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1What I found fascinating was how they played the clip of McCain saying it, then saying "now let's look at that in context..."
Look at the quote in context. Pfftt, the newscaster said that like it's the thing to do.
- JaronDiggGuy, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1What I found fascinating was how they played the clip of McCain saying it, then saying "now let's look at that in context..."
- rthakidn, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2He will quietly vote AGAINST it. He has nothing to lose by it. Voting against it gives him the opportunity to boast he protected everyone's freedoms, while knowing full well his no vote won't matter, because his Democrat colleagues have already made the deal to allow it, by adding money for social programs. While those programs might be important, it begs the statement. "So this is what our freedom is worth!" If BO wanted to be our freedom champion, he should have fought the bill and it compromises completely. Am I the only one who is offended that my rights/liberties are used as bartering chips?
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2So if he votes for it, he is a bastard, and if he votes against it he is manipulating you?
Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't. - Terr01, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I think what rthakidn was emphasizing was the "quietly" part.
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2So if he votes for it, he is a bastard, and if he votes against it he is manipulating you?
- jamh, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Sadly, Obama has pledged his support for this bill.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/20/ ...
Full Statment:
http://utdocuments.blogspot.com/2008/06/statement- ... - storyFX, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Ha! Don't expect McCain to say anything - his campaign officials helped to secure immunity:
"The nation's biggest telecommunications companies, working closely with the White House, have mounted a secretive lobbying campaign to get Congress to quickly approve a measure wiping out all private lawsuits against them for assisting the U.S. intelligence community's warrantless surveillance programs. ...Among the players, these sources said: powerhouse Republican lobbyists Charlie Black and Wayne Berman (who represent AT&T and Verizon, respectively) ... "
What makes that report of interest is the fact that, by the time of Newsweek's reporting on the lobbying activities of Black and Berman, both men were already serving in official capacities in the presidential campaign of John McCain.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/41142/output/print
Obama's statement:
"It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses. But this compromise guarantees a thorough review by the Inspectors General of our national security agencies to determine what took place in the past, and ensures that there will be accountability going forward."
Now... will he follow through?
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7I hope voting against it.
- pintomp3, on 06/20/2008, -6/+8making an issue out of either of those out of context statements is retarded. sure, you can claim the right started it, but it makes the left equally restarted for sinking to their level.
- jdenzer, on 06/20/2008, -5/+12It is not 'sinking to their level', it is illustrating the absurdity of the right smear campaign about Michelle Obama's comment. Of course the left doesn't think McCain's comments make him unpatriotic.
- peterdangit, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Not "sinking to their level" is how they've been losing all this time. This needs to be addressed and confronted.
- NoStoppingUs, on 06/20/2008, -14/+10you guys cant stand on your soapboxes and yell "BUT BUT BUT SHE SAID NOTHING WRONG SO STOP ATTACKING HER"
and then go "BUT BUT BUT MCCAIN SAID THE SAME THINNNNG!"
that implies that there was something wrong with her original statement. so, at least diggers are beginning to recognize the obama's are racist terrorists who hate america.
if we could just get you to stay home on election day...
all together now: ALLAHU AKBAR!- SilverBack101, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Go back to burning crosses in someones yard!
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4You got it backward. Basically, what Obama supporters are saying is "if Michelle's statement is controversial for McCain supporters, then shouldn't they consider McCain's statement controversial as well?"
The vast majority of Obama supporters will be happy to drop this issue if Republicans do the same.
Meanwhile, it's absurd to claim that the Obamas are racist and/or that they hate America, when nothing they have said or done even suggests that. As for your inane jab at Islam, it's something we'd expect from brain-dead Freepers or LGFers - using that kind of cheap rhetoric only damages your own credibility - mynameisohyeah, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2The fact is they are either both innocent or both guilty of being unpatriotic. The point is they are BOTH patriotic and neither should be slandered. In any case, here's to hoping the media shuts the ***** up about this already.
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Damnit man, don't forget to close your quotations. That ***** drives me crazy.
- 5urr3al5am, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1http://www.multied.com/elections/elects/1984.gif
- 5urr3al5am, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1-- what? -- I guess THAT'S what you call national unity and bringing the country together!
- ZenMojo, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4I just felt I had to say ... I've always loved my country.
*Stepford smile* - silverbulletky, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5Ever heard the saying, "You don't know what you've got until it is gone?" That is what he was trying to say.
Same goes for all you people that say you're going to move out of the country if McCain wins.- paidhima, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Kind of similar to, "I was proud of you before, but now I'm *really* proud" when your kid graduates college (for example). That is what she was trying to say.
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -1/+3ROFLMAO!
>.>
Leave it to Liberals to take a statement that proves John McCain's love of his country and try to twist it into something comparable with the obvious disdain, and arrogance of the Michelle Obama statement.
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All it takes for John McCain to be reminded of his love for America is to remember the pain of losing her. The only thing that makes the Obamas happy is ABSOLUTE POWER!
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LOLING @ teh libtards!
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- an0nymous, on 06/20/2008, -9/+26If McCain really loved America he would speakout against the telecom immunity bill going through today.
- workfaster, on 06/20/2008, -49/+134Using the GOP attack mode, McCain's comments show that he didn't love America until he was at least 31... because he was born in 1936 and shot down in 1967. So what were McCain's feelings for America prior to 1967? Is he a communist? A facist? Why did he hate America? Does he still hate America...?
- corr, on 06/20/2008, -21/+42I don't think "didn't really love" equates to hate...
Leave it to you guys to be ridiculous about it though.- insomniac8400, on 06/20/2008, -7/+20But that is how the GOP is using Michelle Obama's quote. So this is more than fair and almost required.
- GiggleStick, on 06/20/2008, -10/+7Not really if you think about it. Love has levels. If you like something, that's fine, but when it's taken away from you you increase your feelings for it to love. So McCain didn't *REALLY* LOVE his country till faced with the horrible possibility of being tortured for the rest of his life and never seeing it again.
Contrast this with Michelle's comment that for the first time in her adult life, she was +/-really proud of her country. She said this multiple times and only added the really later. There aren't really levels of pride as with love. Sure you can be a little proud of something, but really, you're either proud or not. There isn't a word for only a little proud, it's just a little proud.
And what made Michelle proud? That she was getting something. Recognition of her husband. McCain really started loving his country because he was suffering, and because it was taken away. I think those are fairly different circumstances. - archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+6"There aren't really levels of pride as with love."
Ridiculous. Both Pride and Love are emotions that can be of varying intensities. As you say yourself, you can be "a little proud". Just because there's no word to specifically describe that feeling doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Also, it's disingenuous to say that the only reason Michelle Obama was really proud is that *she* was getting something. In case you haven't noticed, Obama is (partially) black. The pride Michelle felt came from seeing a black candidate get this far in the nomination process. It was pride that her country had come to the point where the color of one's skin no longer meant that one was limited in running for the Presidency.
Basically, you're arguing semantics here. The reality is that this is a non-issue, both in the case of McCain and Michelle Obama. Obama supporters will drop this whole thing as soon as Republicans do the same; otherwise, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say... - swollentiki, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2So you are equated Michelle saying she was only proud when her husband was given something compared to someone that was actually deprived of this countries liberties and finally understood what this country was all about?
Sorry, these are two different contexts and Michelle's comment was far worse. - hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4McCain didn't love America... until he was tortured into it.
- castleking, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Whatever happened to not falling to someone else's level. Why don't liberals rise up to a higher standard and NOT give in to smear campaigning. You know, CHANGING politics?
- mlrigsby, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1He probably loved America. He just wasn't IN love with her.
- GiggleStick, on 06/20/2008, -10/+7Not really if you think about it. Love has levels. If you like something, that's fine, but when it's taken away from you you increase your feelings for it to love. So McCain didn't *REALLY* LOVE his country till faced with the horrible possibility of being tortured for the rest of his life and never seeing it again.
- Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -4/+7First off I found this vid on google yes the whole context is in the vid.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/18/michelle-oba ...
After listening to that I find it rediculous that anyone could compare McCains quote to that. He said he didn't Love america... meaning he took it for granted... her quote implies that she was upset with America before and that only recently there has been hope. In no way does it imply that she was just taking it for granted before. She herself realized how it was going to sound when she said "and not just because Barack has done well"
America hasn't all of a sudden out of the blue just wanted change... politicians have been using the "change" thing in America for as long as I can remember... and do you know why... because America has always been looking for "change". Guess what the "Hope" she's talking about comes around EVERY 4 years, It comes about EVERY time we elect a new congress. To all of a sudden realize this because your husband is on his way to becoming president is quite arrogant in my mind. America always needs change... "To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often."
- Winston Churchill
Sure Obama may be good for this nation... but to act like he is the man on the shining white horse thats going to "save" America from its "hopelessness" is disgusting in my mind. America is a great nation and will continue to be a great nation... Barack may make it a better nation... but I for one have been PROUD of America ALL my life... though I may not LOVE it as much as someone who has been taken away from it.- EntropyMan, on 06/20/2008, -3/+3Great to attack her without using the actual quote. The word 'really' makes all the difference, eh? Try again. She never said she wasn't proud of America -- Republicans did. Not that it would even be that bad if she had. False pride is a hallmark of ignorance, and her statement was actually highlighting something she was _really_ (as in extremely, well beyond average) proud of.
- Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3I'm confussed by your reply... I read my whole comment and couldn't find the word "really" second of all I didn't take her quote out of context... I included the vid with all the context you should need.
And WTF... if its the first time in her adult life that shes proud of her country then... what was she before?
No one wants false pride... there are PLENTY of things to be proud of in America. I think you should listen to the vid a few more times (I did)... before you try and compare it to what McCain has said. If she were merely highlighting something she was really proud of she should have hightlighted that she was MORE proud of her country now instead of saying it was the FIRST time she has been proud of it. - lolcat23, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1America is a great nation and will continue to be so.
Ye, ***** YE!! God bless America!
shish.
Shes not a patriot! a patriot can never doubt in america! can never have moments of dispair! - Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2moments of dispair?!?!? she said this is the FIRST ***** (i added the *****) time she's EVER (in her adult life) been proud of America!
Sure America has its flaws and it has ups and downs... but its not like hope JUST showed up... and his name is Barack Obama - sealink, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1You're proud of America's image in this world? An image created by Republican war hawks and a puppet president? You're proud of the America that sent soldiers to die for lies? You're proud of the America that left the Kyoto Protocol behind and takes a piss on the Geneva Conventions?
America MADE this problem.
I love this country because of one thing: the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which gives me unequaled freedoms, even in the modern world. But I sure as hell am not proud of the fact that I have to make excuses about my country of origin ON THE INTERNET. I am not proud of the killing, of the inaction in Darfur, of the way speculation has ***** up our economy, of the way that we as a nation have given the perpetrators of America's fall from grace a free pass.
I love this country deeply. But I am not proud of her. I am disappointed and sad.
- insomniac8400, on 06/20/2008, -7/+20But that is how the GOP is using Michelle Obama's quote. So this is more than fair and almost required.
- elrodge, on 06/20/2008, -17/+1@ workfaster.
Well given the fact that he is significantly older than Michelle Obama, he has accumulated more time loving the country than she has. Oh, and workfaster, put down your sisters makeup and shoot yourself.- jaxcs, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1loving time? Is McCain a hooker on the clock?
- Elranzer, on 06/20/2008, -12/+6Of course John McCain hates America. Why else would he believe that a 72 year old man is the best man to run the country? H obviously wants to destroy it.
- hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -10/+14Nothing in America had earned the Adult John McCain's love in the 31 years before he was shot down? Nothing? Not winning the Second World War? Not our regular and orderly transitions of power based on the rule of law? Not freeing millions of Jews from the Nazi's? Not the fact that we feed and defend the world? Not that we lead in science and technology research? Not even when McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy? Not even McCain's grandfather and father who were admirals in the United States Navy taught him to love America? Nothing?
Not even the fact that McCain was able to use his fathers position as an Admiral in the Navy to guarantee he became a naval aviator even though he had graduated 4th from the bottom at the USNA?
Not the fact that we saved the entire world from the Japanese Empire had made John McCain at the age of 31 love his country in his entire adult life?
How sad. I certainly don't want this blind pessimist as commander in chief of the USA.- kigcoopa84, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1he didn't say he hated love America, he said he didn't appreciate it. There is a huge difference between that and only being proud of your country because your husband is doing well in the election.
But you could direct all those BS question towards Mrs. Obama- hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I don't think you understand what's going on. I didn't mention Obama's statement at all, in fact, I didn't even mention Michelle at all. The point is that McCain had plenty of things to love before his time as a POW.
I think the two statements should NOT be compared in any way. - kigcoopa84, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Of course you didn't mention her, I'm sure you try to block it out of your mind. The fact is that McCain's statements are being taken out of context in a desperate attempt by the DNC to counter the statement Mrs. Obama made that was very clear with no need to twist what she said.
- hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I don't think you understand what's going on. I didn't mention Obama's statement at all, in fact, I didn't even mention Michelle at all. The point is that McCain had plenty of things to love before his time as a POW.
- nickcommie, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3First of all, the Soviet Union won WWII, not the US. I mean, technically the Allies won it, but if you want to talk about individual countries, it was definitely the Soviet Union. They sacraficed the most troops, and why do you think it's the Soviet flag being hung over a bombed Berlin (in that famous photo)? Also, if you read any text about the Holocaust, the Jews were holding out for liberation from the Red Army. Not us.
And what do you mean we feed and defend "the world"? Defend it from who? Blind patriot. We feed the world, huh? That's why we consume the most meat which is the cause for mass hunger, right?- kigcoopa84, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1You should really read a history book buddy, The Soviets did lose the most men because they didn't just lay there weapons down like so many other European nations, but the U.S was responsible for liberating more occupied countries than the Russians, not to mention Europe was on one theater of the war, what about the pacific and Africa smart guy?
As far as the U.S feeding the world, we give more food, money and supplies to impoverished nations than any of the 5 richest countries combined. I am also 100% sure you could not produce one creditable source to back up your claim that the U.S consuming the most meat is the cause of hunger in other nations. - nickcommie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I'm not going to argue semantics with a Western-centric point of view. The fact is that it was the Red Army that topped Berlin and drove Hitler into a bunker. If you can't accept that, whatever.
As for your statement about the U.S. giving "more food, money, and supplies to impoverished nations than any of the 5 richest countries in the world combined" I'd like to see your sources too, *****. Because the truth is that the amount of our GDP that we give to 'charity', let's call it, is much less than other nations give away (in comparison with their own GDP... they may not be giving as much money or 'charity' away, but it's a higher percentage, like progressive taxation). Sorry! Try again. As for providing a source about the high amount of meat consumption being the reason for famine, I don't have to provide a source because it's common ***** sense. Go to any vegetarian website and you can see the statistics, or check out a book called Practical Ethics by Pete Singer. The basic idea is that more people would be fed if they weren't using all of their land and resources to raise cattle for slaughter so that Americans can have their fat ***** cheeseburgers. - hnsez, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1My mother loved in west Germany and her parents shipped her to stay with her aunt in east Germany because they were afraid of the french. When the Russians were coming the reports were so horrible everyone fled so my mom had a long and amazing journey at the age of 16 by herself to get away from the Russians to an area where the Americans were.
Many German citizens were glad to see the Americans because the US saved them from the Russians.
- kigcoopa84, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1You should really read a history book buddy, The Soviets did lose the most men because they didn't just lay there weapons down like so many other European nations, but the U.S was responsible for liberating more occupied countries than the Russians, not to mention Europe was on one theater of the war, what about the pacific and Africa smart guy?
- kigcoopa84, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1he didn't say he hated love America, he said he didn't appreciate it. There is a huge difference between that and only being proud of your country because your husband is doing well in the election.
- AlexanderCurtis, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5I think the quote means that he took America for granted when he was in America, but when he was "deprived of her company" IN PRISON, he realized the weightiness of the right to live free. It's sort of like waking up one day with no thumbs--you never realize how important some things are until you no longer have the privilege of having them.
I also think Michelle Obama's quote is ridiculous to harp on, as I understand her sentiment as well as I am an 'African American' who has had to deal with similar issues.
I'm tired of all this political mudslinging. Stop all this quote mining in attempts to bash these candidates. Let's get to the issues and see who is really fit to run this country based on values and principle..integrity, maturity, foresight, perseverance, and not about to die of natural causes in the not too distant future.- kigcoopa84, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1What issues did Michelle Obama have to deal with? Watching the news from her ivy league dorm room?
- jaxcs, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1@ Alexander
Right on
@ Kigcoopa
Pffft Like that's even the point. If you even want to put the word america and (slight negativity) in a sentence, you have to wear a captain America costume. Otherwise, it's Ms America smile and the dopey"I love America" sound bite.
- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -4/+6He's probably a muslim.
- Radica1Faith, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said. But I do believe that it makes it more evident that the attacks on Obama's wife are irrevalent.
- peterdangit, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0"[...] everyone seems to interpret it differently."
- corr, on 06/20/2008, -21/+42I don't think "didn't really love" equates to hate...
- Jade1, on 06/20/2008, -44/+73So THAT explains why he doesn't wear a flag pin! He hates America too much to wear a flag pin. I get it now.
- MisterEX, on 06/20/2008, -13/+7No, I don't think you do.
- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -2/+8Dude, are people seriously digging this comment down? It's sarcasm, and good sarcasm, not obvious ***** sarcasm, but subtle satire.
Dugg up.- ahmedb07, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1no...hes just a digg hungry idiot.
- Radica1Faith, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1Dad?
- Reaper2806, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I can't believe one of the commentators said "She's been well compensated". Is he really trying to bring race back into it AGAIN?
- 1337chic, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I must not love America enough to elect this guy either.
- AMACTASTIC, on 06/20/2008, -30/+161So? I have friends that figure out how much they love America after they come back from mission trips. I don't think they are unpatriotic for it.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -11/+28Excellent point. I'm sure most of us don't realize how special and important America is, since we haven't been exposed to countries that don't have all the freedoms and, let's face it, the conveniences that we take for granted.
There's a huge difference between being ashamed of being American and simply being ignorant of what a blessing it truly is.- HoratioHellpop, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2Well I, for one, am not ashamed of my nationality, despite wha whomever currently sits in the White House is doing with his foreign policy.
If that were the case, every Amercian citizen since 1900 would have to be "ashamed" on some level. I would expect that most folks across the globe would understand that individual citizens don't necessarily reflect the current state of political affairs. - kreneskyp, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2sorry but your argument is false dichotomy. (so is the one against mccain).
both sides are trying to suggest that there is no middle ground. they're suggested you either love or hate, are proud or are ashamed, but you can't be in the middle and just indifferent. Thats clearly not true. That also means that "not loving" or "not being proud" does not mean you hate or are ashamed. there is a wide range of values here and you've intentionally chosen to ignore that.
Its a bad argument on both sides. however i think that this should be all over the news. But not as a negative tit-for-tat about what MCCAIN said, but about what his SUPPORTERS said. Make a big deal over how silly the argument is and expose them for the tabloid frauds they are.
- HoratioHellpop, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2Well I, for one, am not ashamed of my nationality, despite wha whomever currently sits in the White House is doing with his foreign policy.
- jdenzer, on 06/20/2008, -10/+40That is the whole point surrounding the Michelle Obama comment. Just as it is ridiculous to paint McCain as unpatriotic for his comment, it is unfair to make Michelle Obama out as unpatriotic.
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -13/+7There is an enormous difference between not loving your country until you've been deprived of the freedoms and blessings it offers you, which forces you to truly take into account what you have (which most young people probably can identify with) And someone who states that they've been ashamed of their country their entire adult life.
Stop defending what Michelle Obama said. It was truly unpatriotic.- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+15Why do you feel the need to lie to support your point? Michelle never said she was "ashamed" of her country. The absence of pride doesn't equal the presence of shame, just as the absence of love (in McCain's case) doesn't equal the presence of hate.
Emotions are not boolean operators. That you would try to condemn Michelle Obama for this while giving McCain a free pass simply highlights your own bias. - democrats, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3arch, i was just thinking the same thing!!! EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Whiterice, you need to watch your words - arch, you took away everything i was just about to say so thank you!
- schreck9, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1I actually think completely the opposite. One should love one's country, but not necessarily be proud of it. I love my country, because of an abiding patriotism and love for its ideals and values. But I am NOT proud of a lot of what it does. In fact, it is this very love that pushes people to want to change things, and if you work to change your country, it is almost by definition that you are not proud of what it is currently doing.
It's somewhat analogous to your children. You will always love them, but are sure as hell not necessarily proud of them all the time.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+15Why do you feel the need to lie to support your point? Michelle never said she was "ashamed" of her country. The absence of pride doesn't equal the presence of shame, just as the absence of love (in McCain's case) doesn't equal the presence of hate.
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -13/+7There is an enormous difference between not loving your country until you've been deprived of the freedoms and blessings it offers you, which forces you to truly take into account what you have (which most young people probably can identify with) And someone who states that they've been ashamed of their country their entire adult life.
- heysuburbia, on 06/20/2008, -5/+26You guys are both missing the point.
Michelle Obama's comment in context was that she has never been MORE proud of her country then right now due to the fact that people are willing to break the mold and change the way political processes are done.
If she said that, would there be a problem? NO, that's why Laura Bush realized this and why THIS and Reverend Wright are the only thing Talk Radio/Right Wingers have to hold on to because they know they are going to get clobbered in November unless they can smear the Obama's into the ground.- ProjectGSX, on 06/20/2008, -1/+12Exactly. McCains comments ARENT a problem. And neither are Michelles. Its a non-issue on both sides.
- hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1I don't think you understand what's going on. I didn't mention Obama's statement at all, in fact, I didn't even mention Michelle at all. The point is that McCain had plenty of things to love before his time as a POW.
- hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -11/+6Nothing in America had earned the Adult John McCain's love in the 31 years before he was shot down? Nothing? Not winning the Second World War? Not our regular and orderly transitions of power based on the rule of law? Not freeing millions of Jews from the Nazi's? Not the fact that we feed and defend the world? Not that we lead in science and technology research? Not even when McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy? Not even McCain's grandfather and father who were admirals in the United States Navy taught him to love America? Nothing?
Not even the fact that McCain was able to use his fathers position as an Admiral in the Navy to guarantee he became a naval aviator even though he had graduated 4th from the bottom at the USNA?
Not the fact that we saved the entire world from the Japanese Empire had made John McCain at the age of 31 love his country in his entire adult life?
How sad. I certainly don't want this blind pessimist as commander in chief of the USA. - dafragsta, on 06/20/2008, -5/+10Twist and spin. Twist and spin. The point is that it's not unpatriotic to say you have grievances with America or that you aren't proud of America right now. I'm damn proud that this country fought for it's independence from the same people it NEEDS to fight for it's independence right now. Goodbye King George, hello BIlderberg.
The point is that Republicans and neo-cons alike went after Michelle Obama for saying she was proud to be an American for the first time in her adult life. I understand what she means completely. They pump a lot of rhetorical patriotic ***** into your head in school and very few people question whether this is brainwashing. The smart ones take a look around and notice the America in the textbooks is as different from the real America as the McDonald's hamburgers are from their depiction on the menu board. Anyone who can't see that is blinded by "patriotism" and is in fact causing the REAL patriots who gave EVERYTHING to roll over in their graves.
***** your flag. Make it mean something again. - PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4I didn't realize just how great America was until spending 6 weeks touring Eastern Europe. So I can understand where he's coming from.
That being said, there seems to be quite a few diggers that still don't seem to have come to this realization. I can even think of a few who downright hate this country. Yet, for some reason they keep on living here in this "horrible" place. - hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2McCain didn't love America... until he was tortured into it.
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Mission trips? Is that what they call "flying to Bangkok to ***** some under-aged ladyboys" now?
I kid, I kid.
Seriously though, I have friends who had the opposite experience. After going to Europe, they would realize what an uptight, socially backward country the US is, and become less patriotic and more internationalist. A couple of those guys were in the military and stationed in Germany, also traveled to places like Italy, Holland and Turkey. This experience has turned them from the staunch, Bush-voting, nationalist cons into liberal leaning independents.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -11/+28Excellent point. I'm sure most of us don't realize how special and important America is, since we haven't been exposed to countries that don't have all the freedoms and, let's face it, the conveniences that we take for granted.
- girwen, on 06/20/2008, -39/+33I was really proud to be an American, until our leadership took it upon itself to ignore our laws and the international rule of law. Causing the death of over 1,000,000 people by initiating a chaotic rampage. A mindless war characterized by "shock and awe" calculated to defeat evil without regard to innocent bystanders. I cannot be proud of a nation that justifies of so many tens of thousands of innocent deaths by claiming that we are going to great lengths to prevent "unavoidable collateral damage." I regret to say that I don't think there it a man or woman alive today who can return the pride that flew from my soul on March 19, 2003
I've got more to say, but Senator Byrd said it all better on the floor of the Senate on March 19, 2003:
I believe in this beautiful country. I have studied its roots and gloried in the wisdom of its magnificent Constitution. I have marveled at the wisdom of its founders and framers. Generation after generation of Americans has understood the lofty ideals that underlie our great Republic. I have been inspired by the story of their sacrifice and their strength.
But, today I weep for my country. I have watched the events of recent months with a heavy, heavy heart. No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned.
Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination. Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves. We proclaim a new doctrine of preemption which is understood by few and feared by many. We say that the United States has the right to turn its firepower on any corner of the globe which might be suspect in the war on terrorism. We assert that right without the sanction of any international body. As a result, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance. We treat UN Security Council members like ingrates who offend our princely dignity by lifting their heads from the carpet. Valuable alliances are split.
After war has ended, the United States will have to rebuild much more than the country of Iraq. We will have to rebuild America's image around the globe.
The case this Administration tries to make to justify its fixation with war is tainted by charges of falsified documents and circumstantial evidence. We cannot convince the world of the necessity of this war for one simple reason. This is a war of choice.
There is no credible information to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11. The twin towers fell because a world-wide terrorist group, Al Qaeda, with cells in over 60 nations, struck at our wealth and our influence by turning our own planes into missiles, one of which would likely have slammed into the dome of this beautiful Capitol except for the brave sacrifice of the passengers on board.
The brutality seen on September 11th and in other terrorist attacks we have witnessed around the globe are the violent and desperate efforts by extremists to stop the daily encroachment of western values upon their cultures. That is what we fight. It is a force not confined to borders. It is a shadowy entity with many faces, many names, and many addresses.
But, this Administration has directed all of the anger, fear, and grief which emerged from the ashes of the twin towers and the twisted metal of the Pentagon towards a tangible villain, one we can see and hate and attack. And villain he is. But, he is the wrong villain. And this is the wrong war. If we attack Saddam Hussein, we will probably drive him from power. But, the zeal of our friends to assist our global war on terrorism may have already taken flight.
The general unease surrounding this war is not just due to "orange alert." There is a pervasive sense of rush and risk and too many questions unanswered. How long will we be in Iraq? What will be the cost? What is the ultimate mission? How great is the danger at home?
A pall has fallen over the Senate Chamber. We avoid our solemn duty to debate the one topic on the minds of all Americans, even while scores of thousands of our sons and daughters faithfully do their duty in Iraq.
What is happening to this country? When did we become a nation which ignores and berates our friends? When did we decide to risk undermining international order by adopting a radical and doctrinaire approach to using our awesome military might? How can we abandon diplomatic efforts when the turmoil in the world cries out for diplomacy?
Why can this President not seem to see that America's true power lies not in its will to intimidate, but in its ability to inspire?
War appears inevitable. But, I continue to hope that the cloud will lift. Perhaps Saddam will yet turn tail and run. Perhaps reason will somehow still prevail. I along with millions of Americans will pray for the safety of our troops, for the innocent civilians in Iraq, and for the security of our homeland. May God continue to bless the United States of America in the troubled days ahead, and may we somehow recapture the vision which for the present eludes us.- rebotfc, on 06/20/2008, -3/+16That was a great speech and all the more poignant considering how everything turned out. It's a shame tho that most diggers won't read it as it's tl;dr.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Well, at least he cited his source:
"I've got more to say, but Senator Byrd said it all better on the floor of the Senate on March 19, 2003:"
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Well, at least he cited his source:
- 1gunners4, on 06/20/2008, -5/+5http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
You've got an extra digit in your body count.- JazzFlight, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4I think he's counting the Iraqi soldiers as well.
- Robjayne, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Whay idiots would digg that speach down ? So many ignorant people.
- anillop, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5Nice speech but people don't like walls of text so your gonna get dug down.
- girwen, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1You're right on the walls of text, they'd also rather listen/watch Ann Coulter or Rush or Bill O'Reilly conduct a mindless ad hominem attack than listen to the facts.
- avenu420, on 06/21/2008, -1/+2I believe millions of Americas may pray for the safety of our troops, but they don't give a rat's ass about any innocent civilians in Iraq.
- rebotfc, on 06/20/2008, -3/+16That was a great speech and all the more poignant considering how everything turned out. It's a shame tho that most diggers won't read it as it's tl;dr.
- ruthellis, on 06/20/2008, -29/+8His goose is cooked -- say goodnight John Boy.
- Panzwhore, on 06/20/2008, -22/+66Wow its like saying i love America but in a way that digg can post a useless article about! WOW!
- Halbermunken, on 06/20/2008, -18/+6Its not useless... if the rightwing uses crap like flag pins I personally would fight back on every level. The rightwing are masters at creating lowblow talking points
- sandbun, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5So you're saying to beat the Republicans, become the Republicans? Become that which you hate? God I hate both parties.
- SuperMoses, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2No, but expose their hypocrisy. This video isn't criticizing McCain for what he said, it's criticizing those who make a big deal out of things like this ONLY when they come from the Democrats.. but will ignore it when it comes from the right. It's pointing out the hypocrisy from the right... not criticizing McCain.
But I also hate both parties (which are really the same party) - mummbleswers, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
- SuperMoses, on 06/20/2008, -3/+3This video isn't trying to say that McCain is unpatriotic or whatever... it's pointing out the hypocrisy from the right. They'll slander Michelle Obama for a comment but completely ignore McCain for making virtually the same comment. Even the host said he had no problem with McCain's comment.... it's those on the right who make a big deal out of this, and this video is just exposing their hypocrisy.
- Halbermunken, on 06/20/2008, -18/+6Its not useless... if the rightwing uses crap like flag pins I personally would fight back on every level. The rightwing are masters at creating lowblow talking points
- masterm1nd, on 06/20/2008, -23/+60WTF, the quote is different in the title and description. It's huffington post so I'm guessing they're both misquotes.
- hayseed, on 06/20/2008, -4/+8The article on the huffington post includes a video! It's pretty easy to check to see if the quote is accurate. You could have watched the video in the time it took to put up your useless comment. WTFV
- hayseed, on 06/20/2008, -4/+4ps
there is nothing wrong with what he said. But it is obvious from the comments here that people are not aware of how big a deal the right has been making of Michelle Obama's comments which were almost identical in intention. - masterm1nd, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Well that just went right over your head now didn't it.
- hayseed, on 06/20/2008, -4/+4ps
- hayseed, on 06/20/2008, -4/+8The article on the huffington post includes a video! It's pretty easy to check to see if the quote is accurate. You could have watched the video in the time it took to put up your useless comment. WTFV
- mynameisohyeah, on 06/20/2008, -23/+15Something tells me that the Dems aren't going to attack McCain with a tenth of the smears that were laid on Michelle. Maybe it's because Obama's not a douche...
- jabberwolf, on 06/20/2008, -8/+4HAHA
too late!
Its more like Democrats are about 10 times the ads and posts to be slimy and dirty already.
They cant go any lower than picking on someone being a POW.- McHoffa, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4I don't care if he was a POW... I am in 2008, not 1967. Glad he made it through the war unlike a lot of other people he was surrounded by, but that doesn't make him better now. The fact remains, his actions make him no better than GWB who was not a POW. The fact that he supports torture and this war proves that he learned nothing from being a POW.
and I am not a democrat... - archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Having been a POW doesn't grant you any free passes.
- McHoffa, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4I don't care if he was a POW... I am in 2008, not 1967. Glad he made it through the war unlike a lot of other people he was surrounded by, but that doesn't make him better now. The fact remains, his actions make him no better than GWB who was not a POW. The fact that he supports torture and this war proves that he learned nothing from being a POW.
- elrodge, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4something tells me you arent worth responding to.
- mummbleswers, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1That is a response.
- Elranzer, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4McCain is doing a good job all by himself to smear his own campaign. Obama is doing the smart thing and saving money.
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1No, he's a douche alright. It's a prerequisite when running for public office these days.
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1Yeah, couldn't have anything to do with the fact that John McCain actually IS a good guy, right?
>.>
- jabberwolf, on 06/20/2008, -8/+4HAHA
- buildbyflying, on 06/20/2008, -15/+92I'm no McCain supporter but this is bs. The man simply stated something most of us can relate to. Now only if Stupid America (it's copy-protected, hands off) could see that most of the turd pie the media is baking smells roughly the same.
- Sairynn, on 06/20/2008, -5/+20I think the point here is the hypocrisy of blasting Obama's wife for a similar comment. No one with a brain (i.e. outside Stupid America, as you said) actually thinks that their respective comments show that McCain and Mrs. Obama are anti-American.
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -4/+3The statements were different and I think you're probably smart enough to figure that out. But having said that, neither statement is half as bad as the respective radical wings are making them out to be. Just another attempt to distract the sheeple from the real issues. Both sides use this tactic to avoid discussing the real issues.
- phike, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3The left is merely using McCain's comments to blunt the right-wing attack on Michelle Obama's comments. Anyone with a brain knows that both of their comments are harmless, and I think both comments speak more positively about this country than negatively.
- headinthesand, on 06/20/2008, -1/+0Exactly.. The problem with all this crap is that we discuss the trivial crap like she/he said or doesn't wear an f(#cing flag pin is all *****! If we could we could debate the real issues like the candidates stances on the economy or foreign policy. Instead Rove and company have created a forum for the mental midgets of this country to be sucked into. We should start a new saying when something is baseless ***** like thise. Let's just call it ROVED!
- Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -6/+2EXACTLY... the statements were different... have you watched the vids? The tone in which she says it was like I lost all hope with America until my husband came along.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/18/michelle-oba ...
After listening to that I find it rediculous that anyone could compare McCains quote to that. He said he didn't Love america... meaning he took it for granted before... her quote implies that she was upset with America before and that only recently there has been hope. In no way does it imply that she was just taking it for granted before.
You know THATs what pisses me off about the media and much of the community on Digg... Sure fox may be over zelous and definitely right wing... but to not admit that just about every other media outlet is left wing is rediculous... the statements IN THEIR CONTEXT were completely DIFFERENT so using McCains statement saying that it underminds Michelle's is actually quite a smear in my mind. Its just a distraction defense.
I guess I'm angry at EVERYONE for not paying attention to the REAL issues... Sometimes I wonder exactly what Obama or McCain is actually planning on doing in office because all I hear from them is quotes like that... I blame that on both the media for focusing on that... and them for spending so much time trying to sound good instead of letting one everyone know what you're planning.- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1"but to not admit that just about every other media outlet is left wing is rediculous"
They aren't. They may seem like that to you just because you're right of center. - Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Yes I'm right of center... but not by that much... and I think the posted vid in the article is quite left wing... of course maybe i just spend too much time on digg.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1"but to not admit that just about every other media outlet is left wing is rediculous"
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -4/+3The statements were different and I think you're probably smart enough to figure that out. But having said that, neither statement is half as bad as the respective radical wings are making them out to be. Just another attempt to distract the sheeple from the real issues. Both sides use this tactic to avoid discussing the real issues.
- Radica1Faith, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3They are saying that it would be just as ridiculous to call McCain unamerican as it was for the McCain supporters to call Michelle unamerican. Though they were kind of being a dick about making their point. The Republican Talk Show host (although I disagree with him) had some valid points, and was NOT being a racist.
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Whoosh....
- wishninja, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1no kidding right over this guy's head.
- Sairynn, on 06/20/2008, -5/+20I think the point here is the hypocrisy of blasting Obama's wife for a similar comment. No one with a brain (i.e. outside Stupid America, as you said) actually thinks that their respective comments show that McCain and Mrs. Obama are anti-American.
- burchie2, on 06/20/2008, -15/+131It's sounds to me like he meant he didn't realize how much he appreciates, and loves the liberties of being an American citizen until he had to spend years in a horrible situation in a pretty ***** place. I don't care what Michelle Obama said, but what's wrong with what McCain said?
- someguyouknow, on 06/20/2008, -7/+26I don't think the point is that there was something wrong with what McCain said. Its that if Barack or Michelle Obama had said the same thing in the same context, the right would be blasting them and trying to paint them as un-american. They showed the clip on Dan Abrams last night.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kqqbcv1FJHY- 1gunners4, on 06/20/2008, -7/+11The situations are entirely different; Michelle Obama simply didn't explain her meaning very well and came across poorly, whereas McCain is doing nothing more than expressing a "You don't know what you got till it's gone" sentiment.
- Spuy767, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Cinderella?
- kreneskyp, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6just because the delivery was poor doesn't change her point. The people in the media who criticized her knew what she meant but were just looking for a damaging story.
- jdotter, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Yeah the statements and situations were different but why should Michelle Obama have to explain herself when John McCain doesn't. As the clip shows he has made this statement on several occasion and there is not the juxtaposition of questioning his patriotism with these statements. When a father puts his arm around his son when he graduates from high school, college or at some other milestone event in his life and says "I'm so proud of you", that doesn't mean he wasn't proud before. So again, why does Michelle Obama have to explain herself? I would imagine to African-American's, seeing a Black man embraced by people of all races and walks of life and on the precipice of reaching the highest office in the land, would be a monumental thing. Maybe it would make you take a step back and realize this is a great country and feel a sense of new found pride? The whole debate is ridiculous, as a commenter on the Huff Po suggested, if John McCain hadn't been shot down and held captive would he not love this country still? It's a stupid suggestion and argument. Just as stupid as thinking Michelle Obama is unpatriotic and isn't proud to be an American.
- StealthTomato, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1@jdotter: If a father puts his arm around his son and says "For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of you," does that mean he wasn't proud before?
But then, I agree. Why should we argue over whether the people who might occupy the White House actually care about America?
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -5/+9I'm getting a little tire of the hypocrites on the left continually using the excuse "The Reps would use this smear tactic so it's okay if we do". NO, it's not okay. Not if you are claiming to be the agents of "change". This is just further proof that there is no change, it's all politics as usual.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2So you don't have a problem with the hypocrites on the right?
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2@archiesteel
Next time just say "Sorry, I completely missed your point. Could you rephrase that?"
It will keep others from thinking your dumb. - SeligErasmus, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Scripsit PolishLogic -
"Next time just say "Sorry, I completely missed your point. Could you rephrase that?"
It will keep others from thinking your dumb."
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Oh my. To quote South Park, "If irony were made of strawberries, we'd all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now." - StealthTomato, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1"The point of quotations is that one can use another's words to be insulting." - Amanda Cross
- wishninja, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Obama didn't say anything Dan abrams did. It was Cindy McCunt that opened the attack first. on Obama's wife and she has not even replied to the hose beast.
- 1gunners4, on 06/20/2008, -7/+11The situations are entirely different; Michelle Obama simply didn't explain her meaning very well and came across poorly, whereas McCain is doing nothing more than expressing a "You don't know what you got till it's gone" sentiment.
- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -3/+12There's nothing wrong with what McCain said. The reason why we're posting it is because it's of the same sentiment as what Michelle Obama said, but while Michelle is immediately jumped on and torn apart, McCain has been given a free pass on this all this time.
Neither comment should be offensive to anyone, but if you're going to play the presidential candidates WIFE says, you sure as hell better play what the other presidential candidate HIMSELF says. - RHMac, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7Here's a fun idea: Instead of fiercely debating who hates America more and which news outlets cover it, let's focus on who is ACTUALLY the better candidate. You know, the one with the best plans for education, the economy, and ending the war.
Oh *****.
It's still Obama.
FTW.- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Its nice to see that you are buying into the fact that he is "ending" the war. The man is not pulling every service member out of Iraq. He has said this in debates with the democrats. You will be disappointed in him when you realize this. It is not ending the war.
His solution for the economy, what is that again? I don't recall hearing a plan. Oh, that's right, he wants to raise the capitol gains tax on industries. This will cause more industries to move out of the US and destroy the manufacturing sector even more. He also want raise taxes for the people that invest in the companies. This means less money going into companies, which means less growth. This means less employment, less money in the hands of the people. He also wants to help people that don't live up to their financial agreements. By bailing out all the mortgage people, he is giving the big "F*** You" to all the Americans that work hard to pay their bills.
On a side note, Education is not a problem for the Federal Government. It is not the place of the Federal Government to dictate to the states how to run schools. This system of government is a federalism. Education is not mentioned in the Constitution. The state governments should set how the education system works in each state.
Let's recap, not ending the war, destroying the manufacturing sector of our economy, controlling something that should be left to the states. It sounds like McCain and Obama are the same. NO ONE WINS!
- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Its nice to see that you are buying into the fact that he is "ending" the war. The man is not pulling every service member out of Iraq. He has said this in debates with the democrats. You will be disappointed in him when you realize this. It is not ending the war.
- booksnmore4you, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2Maacy has some serious questions to answer.
How is it that he could join the military and not love his country?
How could he accept the U.S.'s enormous investment in him to train him as a fighter pilot and all along he did not love his country?
How is that he could enter battle in Vietnam in a multi-million dollar jet yet all the while not love his country? And what does this say for his narrative about why he crashed?
Is it not fair to assume that the reason he crashed several times is because he was being cavalier because he did not love his country?
What kind of example does he REALLY set for our troops when he entered the military while not really loving his country?
Given that his grandfather and father were Admirals, how is that he failed to glean from them a love for his country? What does this really say about him?
Why did he NOT love his country before becoming a POW? Did he not love his country for being a bastion of freedom and opportunity? Didn't he love it for all the training it gave him and many advantages it gave him as the son of an Admiral?
Didn't he love his country for giving fully equal opportunities to blacks in the military and in U.S. society in general? Or did it?
Post it far and wide. The American people deserve to know. - Sinay, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2It all depends on who said it, if it is on my side it is OK and patriotism, if it is the other one they just hate America
- Julik, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1It is just the huffington post trying to "get even" for people making a big deal out of what Mrs. Obama said.
- wishninja, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1Is it ***** day on digg or what? the video was MSNBC not huff post.
- wishninja, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1you ***** *****! did you watch the ***** video or are you just running off at the mouth? Dan explained it a several time in the video.
- someguyouknow, on 06/20/2008, -7/+26I don't think the point is that there was something wrong with what McCain said. Its that if Barack or Michelle Obama had said the same thing in the same context, the right would be blasting them and trying to paint them as un-american. They showed the clip on Dan Abrams last night.
- DroppedGT, on 06/20/2008, -9/+2Gossip gossip gossip gossip gossip... you get the idea.
- datagod, on 06/20/2008, -19/+8McCain: "And YOU will love America as well, once we imprison you in our FEMA camps...you useless eaters...keep chewing your food humans...we will be harvesting you shortly..."
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1You REALLY like The Matrix, don't you.
>.>
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1You REALLY like The Matrix, don't you.
- addictist, on 06/20/2008, -23/+7Freakin' hypocrite.
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -5/+3Hypocrites indeed. How can they say they're for "change" but stoop to this level of parsing a statement to smear their opponent. Hypocrites indeed.
- mummbleswers, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2This is Huffington Post, they never claimed "change" or took an oath to "keep it clean." They hate McCain, and they are going to expose him every chance they get. Cindy McCain opened this up when she brought up the "proud of my country" statement. Don't throw stones when you're living in a glass house. And the media should cover this side too instead of just talking about Michelle Obama. Now if this video was on the Obama website I would say your statement holds water, but it's not. And before you can go on with anything else, there were a couple times when Obama's staff has gotten dirty, and I will give you that - they shouldn't have, taking the high road is what helped him beat Clinton.
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -5/+3Hypocrites indeed. How can they say they're for "change" but stoop to this level of parsing a statement to smear their opponent. Hypocrites indeed.
- Enderplayer1, on 06/20/2008, -16/+9good to see that the McCain campaign is doing there best to make sure women don't want to vote for him.
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1That's really funny coming from a MAN!
>.>
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1That's really funny coming from a MAN!
- pakakapa, on 06/20/2008, -22/+5and i say ***** america
- Schreck1, on 06/20/2008, -6/+6and I say ***** you
- marksism, on 06/20/2008, -13/+17I hate nitpicky politics. So maybe he was undecided about his "love" for the country. But when something like that happens to you, things change and all sorts of feelings come out. Americans, how many of you loved the ***** ***** out of the US in the weeks following 9/11? These experiences can change you. It's like someone converting to Christianity, and then others later claiming they're a ***** believer because they didn't always love Jesus.
I am an Obama supporter 100%, and I think this kind of ***** politics is exactly the kind of stuff his campaign tries to shy away from.- snagglefoof, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6Exactly. People who are supporting Obama need to remember that these topics are exactly what he doesn't want us to focus on.
- Shoegaze99, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Good post, and on point. It's a shame you'll be Dugg down for it.
- EdCenter, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3marksism, I think you're missing the point of all this. Abrams is ridiculing the whole "proud to be American" issue by bringing up McCain's comments. He isn't actually claiming that McCain was ever hateful (or non-loving?) of America when he was younger, he's really ridiculing people's insinuation that Michelle is anti-American by bringing McCain's comments up and bringing in conservative talkshow morons to comment.
- Noncentz, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1This is so true.... how can you be getting dugg down for that......... dig me down in his place....
FFFFFFFRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
- nastronomical, on 06/20/2008, -3/+48You don't know what you got till it's gone
- pintomp3, on 06/20/2008, -5/+10like habeas corpus?
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -7/+4like intelligence... oh wait never mind. You probably never had any.
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2I wouldn't know, I still have it. Sorry to hear that you don't though.
Oh well.
- BufordT, on 06/20/2008, -4/+1Don't know what you got til it's gone
Don't know what it is I did so wrong
Now I know what I got It's just this song
And it ain't easy to get back takes so long
Dugg for your use of the classic Cinderella song.- graderguy, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1um, maybe Joni Mitchell ...
"Big Yellow Taxi" 1970
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
- graderguy, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1um, maybe Joni Mitchell ...
- dlite922, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1I just DUGG it for the thumbnail :) The look on the faces.
- pintomp3, on 06/20/2008, -5/+10like habeas corpus?
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -20/+23To quote burchie2:
"...he meant he didn't realize how much he appreciates, and loves the liberties of being an American citizen until he had to spend years in a horrible situation in a pretty ***** place..."
Can someone explain to me how the left can twist that and make it even remotely related to what Obama's wife said (which was considerably unforgivable to anyone who fought in any war, or fought for the freedoms of this country)?- burchie2, on 06/20/2008, -3/+3thx fer the quote! lol
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Not a problem mate - thanks for not being a sheep like the rest of digg. ^_^
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1By your logic, that means you're a sheep as well - then again, logic doesn't seem to be your strong suit...
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Not a problem mate - thanks for not being a sheep like the rest of digg. ^_^
- Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -5/+3I don't know... It's kind of scary watching Obama rise to power... not that he wouldn't be good for the country... but if history has taught us anything... people who rise to power that fast because the people think they can do no wrong is dangerous. It shouldn't be an easy road to the presidency... and so far I haven't seen any REAL obsticles for Obama to overcome... it seems to me hes playing on the Americans need for change especially in their time of dissagreement. If he can bring it about it'd be awesome but... I don't like just handing over the presidency to someone who "says" he's got change but hasn't really proven that he's got it.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -4/+2Its always the same.
"Hi - This is the first election I am participating in. I'm a ignorant naive college student who knows absolutely nothing about politics, and didn't even pay enough attention in Government or Social studies in high school to even understand how our system works, but I am going to criticize the hell out of it because that seems to be the hip thing to do. I'm going to keep referencing a war that I wasn't even alive for - but it was a terrible shame and its exactly what is going on right now in Iraq - and I know this even though I don't know anything about history.
I really like this Obama fellow - he seems to be different than all the other candidates and is very charismatic. He keeps promising things like "change" and "hope" which is a great policy that I can definitely agree with. He promises to do things differently than his predecessor - which is something totally different and new to the political world and I can respect that.
He has all these great plans that I really don't know anything about - but I know that they are great because everyone keeps telling me so.
I don't care that his wife was never proud of her country until this year- hating America is the "hip" and "in" thing to do now-a-days. I can easliy align myself with all the Starbucks wearing Che Guivara shirts because it's hip.
Also I'm voting Democrat because I am more concerned with the rights and liberties of our enemies and criminals than I am with the American people."
I just can't take it anymore...
Needless to also point-out aside from the fact that there aren't any REAL obstacles for him to overcome - there aren't any REAL obstacles that he has overcame yet.
Also - you know who else was very charismatic, advocated great change and hope, and rose to power very quickly. Hitler.- etoreo, on 06/20/2008, -2/+0If you want to treat our prisoners any differently than a human being (and in America we defined that as having basic rights) you are unpatriotic. Did you follow that or are you too stupid?
1) American's believe that everyone has a right to confront their accuser and not be tortured.
2) People who disagree with that are unpatriotic.
3) Therefore: you are unpatriotic. - archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1Thanks for proving that Godwin's Law is alive and well, moran.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1etoreo - I gave several YEARS of my life serving my country overseas and YOU HAVE THE GALL TO CALL ME UNPATRIOTIC!
Oh and its Americans - not American's - we don't posses the believe we posses the belief. Learn2Grammar.
And archiesteel you can throw Godwin's Law around as much as you want- but I am not the first nor the last to notice that similarity - Godwin's law aside. - Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Yes... why can't anyone learn from history... you don't just GIVE power to someone because they are carasmatic and they tell you they have hope and change (not just Hilter was this grave mistake made with)... they have to PROVE they have this hope and change. I for one am not against Obama. I just want to see him have to prove himself. I want to see some REAL opposition... I mean shoot most of the attacks made on him are thrown out by his supporters before HE even gets a chance to defend himself.
- HanFastolfe, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1@deathsythe
"Also - you know who else was very charismatic, advocated great change and hope, and rose to power very quickly. Hitler."
Very quickly?
Hitler begins his quest for power in earnest with the `Beer Hall Putsch', on November 8, 1923. Fails, arrested, tried, convicted, does time, and writes his book. Gets out, works on building his party, and it takes him till Jan, 8th 1933 to be sworn in as Chancellor, we all (should) know the rest of the power grab from there. So it took him just over ten years to seize control. I wouldn't necessarily call that "very quickly". Sure he consolidated power quickly, but his rise to that power wasn't fast at all.
- etoreo, on 06/20/2008, -2/+0If you want to treat our prisoners any differently than a human being (and in America we defined that as having basic rights) you are unpatriotic. Did you follow that or are you too stupid?
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -4/+2Its always the same.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 06/20/2008, -2/+9It's pretty damned easy. Michelle Obama was saying the same thing as McCain, just a little less artfully.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1Not true at all - not being proud of something is light years away from not realizing how much you love it.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1No, actually it's pretty similar - except, you know, if you're so biased towards McCain that you'll give him a free pass on anything.
- Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I'm sorry but archiesteel... I think you need to watch the vids again... McCain repeatedly refers to taking America for granted beforehand. There really isn't anyother way to take it. Michelle says that it's the first time in her adult life shes been proud of america... which in no way implies that she took it for granted before... moreso it implies that she was upset and "frustrated" with America.
Oh and as far as the "You took it out of context" arguement that is thrown around on this so easily... watch the vid. the context supports my point. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/18/michelle-oba ...
- Cirrius, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2Except that she was never held prisoner in a wartime foreign country, so it's not really the same thing at all.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1A significant event occurs and makes someone realize something.
It's the exact same f'ing thing.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1A significant event occurs and makes someone realize something.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1In response to your previous comment calling them the "exact same f'ing thing" (very eloquent by the way)...
Main Entry:pride
Pronunciation: ˈprīd
Function: noun
1: the quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self-esteem : conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship
Main Entry: love
Pronunciation: ˈləv
Function: noun
1 a (1): strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties
(2): attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers (3): affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests b: an assurance of love 2: warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion 3 a: the object of attachment, devotion, or admiration b
(1): a beloved person : darling —often used as a term of endearment
They are very different - though they often go hand in hand - they are two totally different emotions and feelings.- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Are you ***** serious? Loving your country and being proud of your country is the same ***** thing expressed in very slightly different words. It's all simply patriotism. Period.
Actually, if anything it's less respectable to be proud of your country. For instance, I can be in an abusive or dysfunctional family and I can love my family and work to better my family (think Michael Bluth to The Bluth family), while not being proud of what my family is doing. Loving your country is far more important than taking pride in it.
But like I said, people use the phrases interchangeably without thinking about the subtle difference, or realizing any difference at all.
Michelle used "proud" because she was taking pride in something that was happening, McCain couldn't have used "proud" because you can't be "proud" of having the comforts of a first-world country, you can just enjoy them.
- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Are you ***** serious? Loving your country and being proud of your country is the same ***** thing expressed in very slightly different words. It's all simply patriotism. Period.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1Not true at all - not being proud of something is light years away from not realizing how much you love it.
- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -4/+3Complete *****. Michelle Obama was talking about being proud of what her country was CURRENTLY. Obviously, she respects winning the Second World War, our regular and orderly transitions of power based on the rule of law, freeing millions of Jews from the Nazi's, etc. What she was talking about was that for the first time since 1982 (her adult life) she's really proud of where her country is going and what it was currently. And I have to 100% agree. What has America done since 1982 but go downhill? We have nothing during that period really but disgusting abuses of the McCarthy witch-hunts during the red scare. We have inordinate military spending driving us into debt, unnecessary and personally motivated wars from Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. The Contras, the Bay of Pigs, funding terrorists and extremists and training and raising terrorists like Osama Bin Laden.
There is nothing since 1982, since the start of Michelle Obama's adult life, that she could be proud of CURRENTLY. Sure, she could look back to us defeating the Nazis, or back to the genius and bravery of the founding fathers. But none of that was DURING HER ADULT LIFE, like she said.
You people are dishonestly twisting and distorting her words when she actually has a perfectly legitimate point, it's sickening.- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1"You people are dishonestly twisting and distorting her words when she actually has a perfectly legitimate point, it's sickening."
Hi welcome to Digg and the world of Politics - if you would just sign here we'll take care of that soul for ya.
Also- if it had been anyone else they would have had to issue a formal apology to all the groups they "offended" by that comment, and do the late night talk show hop clarifying their true beliefs 3 or 4 times a night.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1"You people are dishonestly twisting and distorting her words when she actually has a perfectly legitimate point, it's sickening."
- unearth, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2The point of the video clip wasn't to demonstrate that what McCain said was questionable. The point was that neither statement should raise any eyebrows, but the right wing managed to manufacture outrage about one quote and not the other.
Your future response: But the quotes are completely different!!11one
Answer: No, they're not. - ericmerrill, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Watch the video and aaall shall be answerrrrrred!
- pitlord, on 06/21/2008, -2/+2It just shows you exactly HOW twisted the left has become. In their minds, the re are is no right or wrong, the truth is all relative, and it's all good as long as you don't get caught.
-_-
That is why they will fail.
- burchie2, on 06/20/2008, -3/+3thx fer the quote! lol
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/20/2008, -17/+13Thanks HuffPoo for not letting the Michelle Obama issue die.
- ZenMojo, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3Considering Cindy McCain dragged it up TWO DAYS AGO on Good Morning America?
- greaseddeafguy, on 06/20/2008, -15/+36that is nothing like not being proud of your country. He is obviously saying that being held in such hostile conditions, made him understand the freedoms of America. Just another effort by the lowest rated cable news network to help Obama.
- etoreo, on 06/20/2008, -1/+0So why is he against those same freedoms for people who have not been proven guilty? You would think he would have a deeper appreciation than most for NOT being abused and treated like a dog. Why does he want our great country to stoop down to the level of his captures?
I completely agree that its taken way out of context, but make a sound argument.- bhamster, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1dude, what the hell, they said that mccains comments were honorable. They were confronting lars larson (now that's a wingnut name) who would take a snip-it like mccain's comment and spin it so to appear that the one truncated comment encloses all his feelings about the country. it is stupid bumper sticker politics
- greaseddeafguy, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1McCain has been strongly against someone of the Bush administrations interrogation techniques. Don't you remember him getting into arguments with the other republican candidates during the debates?????
- etoreo, on 06/20/2008, -1/+0So why is he against those same freedoms for people who have not been proven guilty? You would think he would have a deeper appreciation than most for NOT being abused and treated like a dog. Why does he want our great country to stoop down to the level of his captures?
- blankoboy, on 06/20/2008, -15/+8......and he showed his love by 'singing' to the enemy like the little fat 'songbird' he is. What a lying sack of traitorous shi*t this old man is. Just shut the F up and get your ass out of our futures.
- HardSide, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2Tell us how you really feel...
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -6/+7Seriously - how f*cking dare you call him a traitor. He has served this country, as have I, and many other users here - which is a hell of a lot more than can be said about you.
- blankoboy, on 06/20/2008, -6/+2and you know my background? You are aware that while held as a POW he told (sang to) his captors classified information for preferential treatment. This is a traitorous as you can get and I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you're too blind to see any of this and just blindly follow his sorry old ass well good riddance. I just thank the maker I don't live in or near the US!
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4I was right about your background- you are from Japan are you not? Also - anyone who served would have the integrity and respect never to make such a horrendous and atrocious comment like you did.
As for your "I just thank the maker I don't live in or near the US!" statement let me just say I am glad too. Now what business do you have in American affairs? And what do you even care? - yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5You're not as happy as we are that you don't live in the US.
- Larsonal777, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3blankoboy... its people like you that scare the ***** out of me... you spew your ***** out your mouth... and though any sane person won't listen I'm afraid the world is full of insane people.
Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you have a right to drop civilties... in fact with freedom comes greater responsibility to watch what you say.
- deathsythe, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4I was right about your background- you are from Japan are you not? Also - anyone who served would have the integrity and respect never to make such a horrendous and atrocious comment like you did.
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/John_McCain_Bigg ...
- blankoboy, on 06/20/2008, -6/+2and you know my background? You are aware that while held as a POW he told (sang to) his captors classified information for preferential treatment. This is a traitorous as you can get and I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you're too blind to see any of this and just blindly follow his sorry old ass well good riddance. I just thank the maker I don't live in or near the US!
- Nhmarine, on 06/20/2008, -4/+7There are many reasons not to love america or to have nationalism.... so many reasons... Why are stupid remarks like these blown out of proportion? I am not going to vote for a candidate due to his level of nationalism, I am going to vote for who agrees with my policies and beliefs, which is none of the candidates. Damn the average american that this crap is aimed towards for being so malleable and stupid! If they are going to decide for me (hehe, I am not voting) then they should have the right to make an informed decision instead of "going for the black guy 'cause he's the first black guy to be president" or caring about who wears lapel pins or what happened at a meeting between Hillary and Obama..... I hate this country so much.... ignorant bastards....
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2> If they are going to decide for me (hehe, I am not voting)
Well, why not vote for a candidate who DOES support your views? You can still write in Ron Paul or whoever you support, you know...
> I hate this country so much
Hey, the only person keeping you here is you. Apparently America is better than the alternatives, or else you would be in some other country by now.- Nhmarine, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Actually, I do have to stay in this country....
- booksnmore4you, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Maacy has some serious questions to answer.
How is it that he could join the military and not love his country?
How could he accept the U.S.'s enormous investment in him to train him as a fighter pilot and all along he did not love his country?
How is that he could enter battle in Vietnam in a multi-million dollar jet yet all the while not love his country? And what does this say for his narrative about why he crashed?
Is it not fair to assume that the reason he crashed several times is because he was being cavalier because he did not love his country?
What kind of example does he REALLY set for our troops when he entered the military while not really loving his country?
Given that his grandfather and father were Admirals, how is that he failed to glean from them a love for his country? What does this really say about him?
Why did he NOT love his country before becoming a POW? Did he not love his country for being a bastion of freedom and opportunity? Didn't he love it for all the training it gave him and many advantages it gave him as the son of an Admiral?
Didn't he love his country for giving fully equal opportunities to blacks in the military and in U.S. society in general? Or did it?
Post it far and wide. The American people deserve to know.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2> If they are going to decide for me (hehe, I am not voting)
- deauouph, on 06/20/2008, -9/+0he sure not liked.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/shoken/2592212887/ - ventralnet, on 06/20/2008, -20/+15what a retarded argument... do crazy left wingers understand how retarded they make themselves sound when they try to put such a far off spin on a story.. Just like the crazy right wingers...
Get your ***** heads out of partisan politics.- traveler1217, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3Partisan politics are like a pair of butt cheeks: there's the left-wing cheek, and the right-wing cheek. One will find heads of many colors stuck between these cheeks.
- IamJustinM, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2it's a joke you idiot. We're making fun of how stupid the right sounds when they spend hours every day bashing Michelle Obama for saying something similar.
- ventralnet, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1i dont really think it was a joke they are being serious
- cash4chaos, on 06/20/2008, -11/+2Another Obama smear !
OSAMA OBAMA WILL NOT BE PRSIDENT !!!!!!!- dxgg, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Heh...not if I have anything to do about it. Oh, and nice "scare tactic" *rolls eyes*
- mummbleswers, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1That's not a scare tactic, this guy is just an idiot who doesn't know how to spell, "prsident?" Yet another sad case of what GW has done to our school system. cash4, I'm sorry, our school system failed you... And your mom is actually your aunt too.
- dxgg, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Heh...not if I have anything to do about it. Oh, and nice "scare tactic" *rolls eyes*
- username484767, on 06/20/2008, -8/+5This is a ***** ad, don't throw mud. I'm kind of an ***** and even I find this ***** up.
- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Don't say that, this is a new kind of politics. Obama would never let people talk bad about his opponent. He wants to get away from "typical Washington" politics.
It was hard to keep a straight face while typing this.- mummbleswers, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1This isn't an Op Ed piece with someone slamming McCain over false statements... It is a video. Of McCain. Saying the same ***** Michelle Obama is getting ***** on for right now. If Obama needs to reach out to tell people to stop posting videos of McCain contradicting himself, then that's just *****.
- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Don't say that, this is a new kind of politics. Obama would never let people talk bad about his opponent. He wants to get away from "typical Washington" politics.
- Hawk2007, on 06/20/2008, -14/+9A made for Digg article.
No other media outlet will pick up the story and diggers will cry foul play and favoritism. - vroom101, on 06/20/2008, -6/+30If 50% of adult U.S. citizens who have never lived outside the U.S. of A. spent just one week living in a country torn to shreds by corruption and poverty and war -- a country where abundance of food & water and political freedom and personal liberties is only a dream, they would upon there return to the U.S. of A. loudly exclaim "I Didn't Love America Until . . .".
- bentman78, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4Very good statement. Thank you.
- TheLastProphet, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1No no no,
You would exclaim, "I didn't know HOW MUCH I loved America..." - booksnmore4you, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Maacy has some serious questions to answer.
How is it that he could join the military and not love his country?
How could he accept the U.S.'s enormous investment in him to train him as a fighter pilot and all along he did not love his country?
How is that he could enter battle in Vietnam in a multi-million dollar jet yet all the while not love his country? And what does this say for his narrative about why he crashed?
Is it not fair to assume that the reason he crashed several times is because he was being cavalier because he did not love his country?
What kind of example does he REALLY set for our troops when he entered the military while not really loving his country?
Given that his grandfather and father were Admirals, how is that he failed to glean from them a love for his country? What does this really say about him?
Why did he NOT love his country before becoming a POW? Did he not love his country for being a bastion of freedom and opportunity? Didn't he love it for all the training it gave him and many advantages it gave him as the son of an Admiral?
Didn't he love his country for giving fully equal opportunities to blacks in the military and in U.S. society in general? Or did it?
Post it far and wide. The American people deserve to know. - cornfedbiff, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Corruption? Poverty? War? Sounds like America to me.
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Then again, they might actually end up in Western Europe and realize that they live in the most socially-backwards country in the Western World.
- liquidmetalband, on 06/20/2008, -7/+30Michelle didn't even say that. She said for the first time she was REALLY proud of her country. Scum News decided to edit out that word for their own agenda.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3Maybe so, but is it really as in "very" or really as in "truly"? It matters.
- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0Yes, and instead of listening to any explanation she gives, i think we should listen to what some guy on the news says or just omit the word "really" altogether. Makes perfect sense.
- GreatSunJester, on 06/20/2008, -1/+11Quick google search for "michelle obama proud video" yields for me the clip. You are quite correct, she did say really proud. Taking her full quote in context (something that both ideologies skip with regularity), her words were not bad or poorly chosen at all.
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -6/+3Actually she didn't say "really" but parsing a statement like that is so Clintonesk. It depends on what the word "is" is. Give me a break. Oh and here's the video of her speech to help you re-remember what was really said.
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/michell ...- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0Actually she said both.
Here is the video to help you re-re-remember what was really said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGjR81pFJI4 - archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Actually she did say really. Then again, you get your news from Fox, so we shouldn't expect you to be able to think about this in a rational manner.
- StealthTomato, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1But that depends on what your definition of "rational" is. Or what your definition of "is" is. Or what your definition of "really" is.
Shall I go on? - archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1No, it doesn't depend on definitions. Words have meaning, stop trying to be a smartass by arguing semantics.
- StealthTomato, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1But that depends on what your definition of "rational" is. Or what your definition of "is" is. Or what your definition of "really" is.
- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0Actually she said both.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3Maybe so, but is it really as in "very" or really as in "truly"? It matters.
- SpartanErik, on 06/20/2008, -11/+18Buried for taking things out of context.
- skoubydoo, on 06/20/2008, -2/+6That's the whole freaking point of bringing it up, Spartan!
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Whoosh...
- hnsez, on 06/20/2008, -11/+5Nothing America had earned John McCain's love in the 31 years before he was shot down? Nothing? Not winning the Second World War? Not our regular and orderly transitions of power based on the rule of law? Not freeing millions of Jews from the Nazi's? Not the fact that we feed and defend the world? Not that we lead in science and technology research? Not even when McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy? Not even McCain's grandfather and father who were admirals in the United States taught him to love America? Nothing?
Not even the fact that McCain was able to use his fathers position as an Admiral to guarantee he became a naval aviator even though he had graduated 4th from the bottom Naval Academy?
Not even the fact that we saved the entire world from the Japanese empire had made John McCain at the age of 31 love his country in his entire adult life?
How sad. I certainly don’t want him.- jabberwolf, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Yes!!
Because you can really be proud, REALLY like your country...
But when you travel around the world and see what is really our there, and heck.... when being tortured outside your country... you will never LOVE your country more so than when you are without it.
And if you watch the video... you will realize that Michelle wasnt proud... even when she went to Harvard, she was making a 6 digit figures, and married to a senator.
Mccain fell in love.... when he was being tortured in a foreign country... fighting for America.
Now, do you feel utterly retarded for trying to compare the 2 ??!!!- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1I don't think you understand what's going on.
Hnsez didn't mention Obama's statement at all, in fact, he didn't even mention her at all. He was trying to make the point that McCain had plenty of things to love before his time as a POW. He wasn't comparing the two statements in any way.
Now do you feel utterly retarded?
- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1I don't think you understand what's going on.
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Well apparently none of those things were good enough to make Michelle proud of this country either.
So it looks like you guys are even now. Now, back to a topic that is actually meaningful. - StealthTomato, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Yeah, and America never earned Michelle Obama's respect for those things either; not until the majority of a state voted for her husband. How myopic!
And, uh, sorry no. McCain _refused_ to "use his fathers [sic] position." He started as an ensign (read: lowest-level Commission Officer) after two and a half _years_ of aviation training.
- jabberwolf, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Yes!!
- R1b4z01d, on 06/20/2008, -5/+9when lars larson said thats about as high up as you can get. for a woman? Sounds like he doesn't think a woman can be president.
- johnj21, on 06/20/2008, -3/+0Your stupid canned comment belongs in a hilary puff piece, try again
- ericmerrill, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1"Lars. Lars. Lars. LARS! Lars shut the ***** up. LARRRRS"
I wish people actually watched this video before commenting. It's great.
- fani, on 06/20/2008, -6/+17Is this what this election is about ? Flag pins, hand over heart, first-time proud, didn't love until prisoner.
How do all these solve today's problems of energy crisis, inflation, slowing economy, war on terrorism, better future outlook ?
I for one don't give a ***** about these things. This is ***** to lift up sagging ratings by creating unnecessary sensationalism.- ZenMojo, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2It's like the political version of that old canard in response to someone insulting your mother: "Let's get off mothers, 'cause...I just got off yours."
- steveoco, on 06/20/2008, -9/+3Is a 'war hero' really the type of person you want making policy about relations with countries which they may have once gone to war against? I think it would be very hard to not be biased against a country that tortured you.
- jabberwolf, on 06/20/2008, -4/+2Is someone who never fought for this country and only knows most of the world through college someone you want representing our country?
- yojiffyskippy, on 06/20/2008, -3/+4That's like saying "Do you really want a black man to make decisions in a country that held his ancestors as slaves?" You see how ridiculous your logic is? STFU!
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Yeah, what the ***** were we thinking electing guys like George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, JFK, and quite a few other Presidents who were decorated war heroes.
/facepalm
- fromaworld, on 06/20/2008, -17/+6So Michelle wasn't proud of America until her husband became the nominee, despite the fact that she has a Harvard education and has been making $300,000/yr?
John McMain didn't love American until he was being tortured as a POW in Veitnam?
The word love in this case is essentially tantamount to the word "appreciate".
People all the time go to third world countries and don't appreciate America until they've experienced real poverty or suffering. Michelle Obama has not experienced that.- johnj21, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5Nor will she EVER experience it
- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0hopefully not considering that war ended long ago.
- fromaworld, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0man you're an idiot. Good straw man argument there.
- stephantabor, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0hopefully not considering that war ended long ago.
- jabberwolf, on 06/20/2008, -5/+4You forgot how she got to Harvard as well....
A RACIST policy that basically said she got to get into a college over others with less money and better grades... because she happened to be black.
And yes folks, any policy that is "biased by race" is by definition racist.
She shouldnt havent just felt proud, but felt dammed lucky and privileged!- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1"And yes folks, any policy that is "biased by race" is by definition racist."
No, it's not. It's about trying to compensate for past wrongs that still have a societal impact today. That has nothing to do with saying that one race is inherently better than the other.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1"And yes folks, any policy that is "biased by race" is by definition racist."
- GreatSunJester, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3If she is lucky, she will never experience any life other than being an American, and if REALLY lucky she will never experience it as other than a wealthy American.
- johnj21, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5Nor will she EVER experience it
- Cyberdactyl, on 06/20/2008, -14/+11Hehe, I think this attempt at providing the far left with their daily hard-on will back-fire badly.
There's a -MASSIVE- difference between a pampered Chicago-elite being "proud of her country" when her husband has a shot at the presidency, and someone sitting in their own feces covered in bruises eating moldy bread.
The Huffy post is merely reinforcing itself as the ultra-left rag site it has always been.- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Yeah, because being the daughter of a city water plant employee and a secretary at a catalog store really counts as "pampered elite", unlike being the son of, say, an US Navy Admiral.
If you don't like pampered elites, don't vote for McCain. If you do, then you're a hypocrite.- Cyberdactyl, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1LOL the ol' . . . "He/she was so poor as a child" routine.
Sorry, doesn't wash.- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Still, it's the truth. When looking at the actual facts (and not Republican fabrications), you can hardly accuse her of being a "pampered elite", especially when comparing her to McCain.
The fact that you refuse to admit it doesn't make it any less true.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Still, it's the truth. When looking at the actual facts (and not Republican fabrications), you can hardly accuse her of being a "pampered elite", especially when comparing her to McCain.
- Cyberdactyl, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1LOL the ol' . . . "He/she was so poor as a child" routine.
- archiesteel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Yeah, because being the daughter of a city water plant employee and a secretary at a catalog store really counts as "pampered elite", unlike being the son of, say, an US Navy Admiral.
- dxgg, on 06/20/2008, -5/+13I've done a fair bit of traveling, and I've yet to meet a culture outside of the US who talks about "being proud" of your country and being patriotic, like it's a kind of religion. Americans talk about their country like they're talking about their favorite football team. Do I really have to "love America" in order to appreciate my life and be a good person?
How about we focus on the real issues during this election, rathe
