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McCain: World War III Would Justify Draft

huffingtonpost.com — 2006: "...We're in the early stages of what I would consider the Third World War..."

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  • blakecr, on 06/25/2008, -21/+261Say no to W the III!
    • dpcamp, on 06/25/2008, -59/+10oh i get it because W refers to George W bush and III stands for the third term, refering to McCain, yet it also refers to WWIII

      Thanks for the Comments! A++++++++++++
      • l0k0, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Am I reading my ebay feedback right now?
    • OffPiste, on 06/25/2008, -25/+7I agree. Why are we even letting Republicans vote in this election? Imagine if all of us Democrats just said no!!!
      • blakecr, on 06/25/2008, -6/+10I am still registered Republican. I have my rock the vote registration filled out and ready to send. Don't even ask me why I was registered Repub. I have seen the light.
        • jabberwolf, on 06/25/2008, -11/+2Was the light from the drugs you're smoking when not going to school to learn about economics?
          Easier to sit back and pretend to know something than actually studying.. isnt it?!
        • emjaymj, on 06/25/2008, -1/+6@jabberwolf

          The conservative stance has traditionally been more economically sound but if you honestly think the mainstream Republican party is the same as it once was, you really need to take your head out of your ass. The major figures in the GOP will make sure they squander at LEAST as much as the Democrats. At least when the Dems throw away our money, they generally do it in the name of helping people, and are not as hell-bent on systematically taking away our rights.
        • blakecr, on 06/25/2008, -1/+1I work at one of the fastest growing small businesses in the country as a Graphic Designer. I was 22 when I started here. So I skipped school to get a job, what does that have to do with economics. I see market speculators that have a degree in economics fail all the time. What does a degree in economics have to do with wanting to vote for a Democrat. I guess I should tell Warren Buffet to go back to school?
      • masterm1nd, on 06/25/2008, -6/+17Those damn fascists. How do we take away their right to vote?
      • jbird32275, on 06/25/2008, -6/+17Just because your a Republican doesn't mean you're going to vote for this *****.
        • d2htornado, on 06/25/2008, -4/+2Wow. You used the right "you're" and the wrong "your" in one easy-to-make-fun-of sentence. Thank you for making my day.
        • Monk22, on 06/25/2008, -4/+4@d2htornado

          im sure you and your mom will have a good laugh about it when you head upstairs to get your mac and cheese.
        • jbird32275, on 06/26/2008, -3/+3Dear Rob (d2htornado),
          Thank you for pointing out my grammatical folly in my earlier post.
          Correcting another's English is the most charming act a person can perform.
          I sincerely hope you get to experience the inside of a vagina one day.

          ***** you very much,
          Jbird32275
        • jbird32275, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2Thanks for getting my back Monk22
      • evilesttoast, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1Imagine being fascist!
      • vexingmodstwo, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2Wait... are you being sarcastic?
        • jabberwolf, on 06/25/2008, -5/+1you are a democrat arent ya - it kinda shows.

          YES HE'S BEING SARCASTIC!!!
        • vexingmodstwo, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2@jabberwolf... I was being sarcastic too.
        • darksideownedu, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2oh the irony!!!!
      • jjmelch, on 06/25/2008, -2/+1Now there's a liberal point of view.
      • TexanRudeBoy, on 06/25/2008, -1/+3Imagine if Democrats on Capital Hill actually knew how to say no?! I didn't think it was in the vocabulary. Complacent Demcorats are just as dangerous as these Neo-Cons.
    • taffyhealscrowd, on 06/25/2008, -16/+4Say yes; this is going to be awesome.
    • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -3/+12It's unavoidable. Look who manipulates and attempts to control the flow of it all, big bankers and loud mouthed politicians. Are these the people that will avoid WWIII or the ones that will spark it?
      • CrazyZ, on 06/25/2008, -0/+7"Politicians hide themselves away
        They only started the war
        Why should they go out to fight?
        They leave that role to the poor"
    • mickrussom, on 06/25/2008, -4/+57We tried to, but all the freaks laughed at Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

      You get the government and Wars you deserve.
      • Drahkar, on 06/25/2008, -0/+30No kidding. People are complaining about the choices available now when there were two excellent options sitting right there on both sides of the fence. I wonder if anyone has any clue what the hell is going on outside of their little community bubble anymore or if they just let the media tell them what to think.
    • kuatto, on 06/25/2008, -9/+14can the Obamessiah save us?!
      • eagleeyez, on 06/25/2008, -1/+8no doubt, we're being setup for something
        • fredJdukes, on 06/25/2008, -0/+11I've got the same feeling, ee.
          Some foul ***** is just around the corner.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2I've had this same feeling.....This whole "change" chant isn't what I want to hear. We don't need to abruptly change the country, the Constitution is the greatest leader we will ever need and we need to get back to that, not change it.
        • kuzotz, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1I don't care I'll be in Japan soon, and if WWIII happens. Atleast I'll die in an Onsen town :D
        • blakecr, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Go read the Constitution. It was made for the people to be able to overthrow the government when it stops governing for the people. The Constitution was made to be changed. That was the point of the Revolution, to give power to the people. When the government fails they rewrite the rules.
    • jabberwolf, on 06/25/2008, -2/+50This coming from huffington... as usual BS but posted on Digg as truth.

      Quote:
      McCain said: "I don't know what would make a draft happen unless we were in an all-out World War III." ...
      Meaning, he does not know WHAT THE ***** would happen to create a draft unless something drastic like WWIII

      Also:
      Newt Gingrich stated: "We're in the early stages of what I would describes as the Third World War... "
      NOT Mccain.
      • DyceFreak, on 06/25/2008, -0/+16thank god someone threw in the clarification. Digg seems to be leaning more and more to exaggerating these things. These f'n misleading headlines are only here to get f'n diggs and its ruining the site.
        • Monk22, on 06/25/2008, -1/+5more and more? its pretty much an all you can eat liberal orgy of ***** around here these days.
        • DyceFreak, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4Well the liberal orgy is fine. I can agree with most of what other people are saying about these issues as an independent. But now its to the point of bashing McCain on out of context and re-titled stories. Before at least, it was legitimate, now its just asinine.
      • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -2/+0We are in the early stages of WW III.....Within two decades almost all countries are going to go into scramble mode and it isn't going to bode well for the common citizen.
      • TitanX7, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Thank you for bringing that back into context. I don't support McCain but this ***** is worse than fox.

        And to all you who don't think WWIII would justify a draft you're not liberty loving americans and are guilty of treason.
    • CaptMonkey, on 06/25/2008, -1/+9We had better start breeding super mutants and making power armor. If there's one thing that Fallout taught me, it was that nothing beats super mutants and power armor... except deathclaws. Oh *****, they don't have deathclaws do they?
    • Tyrghast, on 06/25/2008, -4/+7It's quotes from people like McCain that make me wish I was Swiss
      • TokenBlack, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4I'm Swiss. It's not as good as you think.
        • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3How do you know? Have you been American too?
    • boonesfarm, on 06/25/2008, -1/+4Stay tuned..... next Huffpiece to be crosslinked as soon as it becomes available!!! What will the topic be? Does it matter? Why comment on the source blog when you can dribble the gasoline across multiple blogs? Is there a bot that autoposts this ***** from Huffington? If so, who provides the snarky summaries?
    • chamberlanderic, on 06/25/2008, -2/+1specially since he was considering Jeb Bush as a running mate .
    • fugazied, on 06/25/2008, -1/+2Never ending war is upon us. 1984, war is peace kind of thing happening now.
      • Monk22, on 06/25/2008, -1/+2i dont know if you noticed but pretty much since the dawn of "civilization" people have been having wars with each other.
    • ChileanGoD, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2Remember boys and girls, what's a great way to get out of a big recession?... yes!... a world war! :)
      • pantone286, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Unless of course the World War is in your backyard.
    • fool13, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2This is very stupid. He isn't saying he wants the draft. He's saying if there were a situation where we are in an all out war the draft could be a tool.

      I see a lot of people going I hate war etc etc but I'm wondering if we were being invaded would you take up arms or smoke some weed and listen to some jefferson airplane while protesting the war and consequently watching people around you die.
      • cheezintern, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2It's a very different situation when 2.3 million heavily armed Chinese troops land on California's beaches, as opposed to a bunch of angry Arabs in a cave, in one of the most isolated countries in the world that are pissed because of past American 'missteps' in the region.
      • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2Nice strawman -- there's a big difference between being invaded and going around bullying other countries. Nearly everyone, hippies included, would defend themselves and their family in a crisis. That doesn't mean you go out picking fights.

        I agree though that this article takes McCain's comments out of context and is highly misleading.
      • kuzotz, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1I take the weed, and I'll be in New Zealand or Japan. Maybe Switzerland. I really don't care what happens to the US even if I grew up here. This country and the ignorance here has left me detached from this territory. There is nothing I would die for in the name of America.
        • nwaites01, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1China would invade japan first, enjoy your rising sun weeaboo *****.
    • AutoTom, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1oooh... thats clever :P took me a second
    • pantone286, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1And say no to WWIII
  • Deadpixel1221, on 06/25/2008, -12/+342"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought,

    but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

    Albert Einstein
    • blakecr, on 06/25/2008, -4/+19Nice. Albert you amaze me!
    • SuperMoses, on 06/25/2008, -3/+67More by Albert Einstein:
      "Nationalism is an infantile sickness. It is the measles of the human race"
      "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - applies to neocon logic
      • Drahkar, on 06/25/2008, -1/+20Unfortunately the vast majority of people in the world right now have no idea what the second quote really means. Which is why we are finding ourselves in this mess.
      • stealthc, on 06/25/2008, -2/+8Dugg for the quote about problem solving.
      • dexter411, on 06/26/2008, -4/+4"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

        Funny; I apply that to affirmative action and wealth redistribution (i.e. the Obama strongholds).
        • SuperMoses, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Given that that income inequality has been increasing since the 70s (ie: top 1% rich getting richer vs bottom 20%), the idea of "wealth redistribution" is a myth in the US. Thus, you suck at determining the problem. The rich are richer.. where exactly is there wealth being redistributed to?
        • dexter411, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1Wealth redistribution by way of what Obama wants to do with the US tax code, you dunce.

          The rich keep getting richer? Good for them. People making more money doesn't make the poor any poorer (though it can make them less likely to want to get any richer -> Barack Obama's appeal).
    • jabberwolf, on 06/25/2008, -22/+1Einstein.. now that was a smart zionist !

      Too bad liberals can read a complete article, only a headline.
    • FlyingSpaghetti, on 06/25/2008, -2/+4That comment was pure genius.
    • spawnfree, on 06/25/2008, -2/+3all except the ones who emerge from the many deep underground military bases dotted around the globe.
      pretty sure they will have guns.
      hope they have a G.E.C.K. too.
    • girwen, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3The survivors of WWIII (if they last long enough to qualify to call them survivors) might not be able to find any sticks, and will have to use only stones
    • ethanpack, on 06/25/2008, -1/+10Another good one:

      World War II ended with an atomic bomb
      World War III will begin with one
      • vinod1978, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1So true.
      • Kristijan12, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I want to ask in case of world war 3, would there be any nuclear bomb left?
    • vstro24, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2Cod4 ftw lol. Playing on the hardest difficulty... ive seen that quote many many times lol.
  • AtHomeBoy2000, on 06/25/2008, -17/+135A) We are not int he beginning stages of WW3.
    b) In some ways I DO agree that a WW would justify a draft. But I am not in any way in favor of a draft.
    • davidg11, on 06/25/2008, -6/+1In order for WWIII to start you'd need Russia on board. Otherwise we could nuke the crap out of every other country out there who dared nuke us.

      • jamesLankford, on 06/25/2008, -4/+3idiot
        nukes have nothing to do with world wars

        hell, get N Korea and S Korea, China, throw in a little India and Pakistan, have a few countries blockade the middle east to cut off oil, throw in a few African countries and you've got a world war

        all fought with convential weapons
        • Drahkar, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9If you think WWIII comes around and nukes won't be involved you are really walking around with a bag on your head. Once WWIII really breaks out it is only a matter of time till some arrogant or just plain stupid group sets off a nuke.
        • teichenauer, on 06/25/2008, -2/+1No War - No Draft.
          http://www.consciencecanada.ca/
    • JK1150, on 06/25/2008, -3/+11good to see an obama supporter see through the huffington post. if america didn't come together during WWII, who knows where we would be today...
    • Stormwern, on 06/25/2008, -1/+2Idd, it's bush who said we're headed towards ww3, and he's perceptually challenged.
    • DiggzDE, on 06/25/2008, -1/+16The problem with this is we have so many youth disenchanted with the U.S. government that the draft would never work now. You would have so many people refusing to fight for their country that the entire system would likely crumble if not lead to some minor revolution.

      We do not want to fight wars for you old men who get to sit back and enjoy the view of the battlefield from your cozy chairs. We do not want to be your puppets anymore. You do not have control over us.
      • gforce051, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0They have control ove .. hel .. they ar .. no .. time ..
      • soupdawg30, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2You'll fight when the war is taking place in your neighborhood. Unfortunately that is what it will come to.
    • Eezyville, on 06/25/2008, -7/+2Well I for one am hoping for WW3 to end the pussyfication of Americans. I say yes to draft so everyone's life is ***** up.
    • dOOBiEx213, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4Draft is a joke...You just gotta go with the flow till the time comes... sign up for Selective Service, go with the motions, but once they actually start drafting, that's when you say "Adios amigo," and move to Mexico.
      • Monk22, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3mexico and canada have extradition treaties so i suggest you dont get caught down there. on the other hand you could find a country that doesnt have a treaty with the us and save yourself the worry.
        • kuzotz, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I'll be in Japan so if a draft happens I'm staying in Japan. I'll just get my residency card there, and get to live there :D
        • personalj, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1China would be too busy bombing Japan, I wouldn't recommend moving there. Perhaps Guatemala would suffice?
    • vinod1978, on 06/25/2008, -4/+2@AtHomeBoy2000 - Actually we are damn close. You have US with troops in the middle east (a big Islamic religion no-no) in Afghanistan, and Iraq - and if McCain is president - we'll have troops in Iran. That would mean Syria would help Iran and Israel would attack Iran. If Israel attacks Iran, Palestine & Hezbollah in Lebanon will attack Israel even more, and Israel would continue attacking Lebanon & Palestine much harder. This would bring in individuals from countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar to get Americans and Israelis out of the middle east, which means our allies like England, UK, South Korea, Australia, Poland, Spain, Romania, Denmark, El Salvador, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Latvia, Albania, Czech Republic , and Italy among others would also put troops in harms way. In addition to this you have India quietly investigating terrorists in Pakistan and Bangladesh and the only reason why India has not attacked Pakistan is because of US intervention. How can we tell India not to pursue an invasion if it depends on their safety if we have done it 3 times in 8 years? And remember both India & Pakistan have the bomb too.

      We are closer to WWIII then you think. One act (the act of our next president, for example), could easily start a war that could easily lead to the death of 20% of the world's population...easily.

      ---www.bigredmat.com
      • masamunecyrus, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Don't forget that China, as much as it has staked in the US for its future development, also has a LOT staked in the Middle East, particularly in countries the western world doesn't like. Russia, too.
      • chillypacman, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1actually your allies who did put troops in harms way have all been, well votedout of government.

        So you know, it's just the US and possibly a few other countries...
    • bestsoccerdog, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0You are in no position to say we are not in WWIII, no one is. You may *think* we are not, but nobody will know for sure until the end. If Isreal bombs Iran tomorrow, and Iran retaliates and hits Palestine by accident, I think it would be fair to say it is WWIII, so technically, we *could* be in the early stages, but nobody knows for sure if we are in a world war.
  • grlykool, on 06/25/2008, -16/+15Damn he's selfish. Can he tell us how WWIII would start?
    • timewarp424, on 06/25/2008, -7/+10How's he selfish? He has two kids serving in Iraq right now. He, personally but also his entire family, understands the personal sacrifice of war. If he did institute the draft, it would be because we needed it.
      • dOOBiEx213, on 06/25/2008, -7/+3Of course we would need it, can't you see how overpopulation is becoming a problem? We need a couple of ***** to go die, and take some people with them... it's as simple as that. Our technology is advanced enough to have machines do all the dirty work, but where's the fun in that?
        • roodammy44, on 06/25/2008, -1/+3Thanks for volunteering to be the first to go
      • Joetwopointoh, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1It's obviously going to start when they begin bombing Iran out of "supposed dire necessity". They've been telling us this for months now. How can anyone not see it coming?

  • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/25/2008, -10/+41And the biggest way to avoid World War III is to, what, do nothing?
    • Herkimer56, on 06/25/2008, -3/+51That's how we avoided World War I and World War II. Oh, wait....
      • skinnyskittles, on 06/25/2008, -1/+16World War I could have been avoided but World War II was a product of World War I.
      • vbullinger, on 06/25/2008, -3/+11We were actually quite active in World War I before fully joining.

        We gave aid to one side.

        We put sanctions on the other, which is completely against international war laws.

        Don't kid yourself, the Roosevelt administration WANTED us in that war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_F48oaOskI
    • ssn697, on 06/25/2008, -3/+21Are you saying WWIII is inevitable?
      • asskicker32, on 06/25/2008, -7/+3I think he is saying this current policy to do nothing or incite entire world regions is simply leading us down the path of war.
        • Drahkar, on 06/25/2008, -4/+7Current policy isn't to do nothing. Current policy is to stamp around, forcing our policies on everyone else and just generally doing everything we can to get every country int he world really ***** pissed off with us.

          And somehow the powers that be in the US don't see how this could develop into a problem.
      • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/25/2008, -7/+18If we wind up with an isolationist foreign policy and do nothing, then yes, World War is inevitable. The past teaches us this.
        • mshtml, on 06/25/2008, -18/+4An isolationist foreign policy is what we have right now. The US has more enemies than at any other point in history. The isolationists are brainwashed to accept preemptive war. Its the same disturbing, sick doctrine that was promoted in 1930s Germany before that country marched through Europe, similar to the US march through the Middle East. How many wars do we have to wage before someone does that math and concludes its enough to be called a world war? We need a non-interventionist foreign policy.
        • blakecr, on 06/25/2008, -3/+24Lets be careful we are not on the wrong end of the next World War. I am not talking about losing, I am talking about being the power that the world must stop.
        • PeppermintPig, on 06/25/2008, -6/+7The US was far from indifferent and isolationist before entry to those wars. US meddling led to the Pacific conflict in WWII.

          If you want to look at an isolationist country, China used to have a long history of that.
        • Herkimer56, on 06/25/2008, -4/+3So did Japan prior to starting Word War II in the Pacific.
        • teichenauer, on 06/25/2008, -1/+7The best way for a country to isolate itself from humanity is to invade and bomb other countries.

          I'll let the reader figure out what country that applies to the most.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism
        • PeppermintPig, on 06/25/2008, -2/+2I see Herkimer... So the US can sink to any underhanded activity it wants so long as we make a point to argue that other countries do it too, or do worse things? ***** delusional! That's completely devoid of any sense of principle, and those who swore to uphold the constitution are traitors for agitating into war.
        • teichenauer, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3A country can earn a reputation of isolationism by invading and bombing countries.

          I'll leave it to the reader to decide what country or countries this most applies to.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism
        • Risingashes, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1A populous that has been stirred in to an irrational zealous frenzy by it's government, and that has a significant proportion that will support whatever it does.

          A country that is invading other countries without cause. A country that has slaughtered thousands of innocent people.

          Looks like the next World War is going to be against America. Good luck with that.
        • Aidje, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1@BohicaTwentyTwo I don't think you understand the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.
    • Deadpixel1221, on 06/25/2008, -14/+3The way you talk, you should be in Iraq typing those comments. If not pick up a weapon son, or shut the hell up.
      • mmmmmbiscuits, on 06/25/2008, -1/+13I hope you're typing your comments from the Volunteer Fire Department, sparky. I mean...you support putting out fires don't you?
        • Pillage, on 06/25/2008, -1/+1Deadpixel1221 is typing his comments from a cave in pakistan.
      • darkhand, on 06/25/2008, -4/+10Sorry, I'm not a coward. If I participate in a war that I am against, then I didn't stand up for what I believe in... The definition of 'coward'.

        So take the anti-american rhetoric somewhere else. Ending the world isn't patriotic.
      • notoneofus, on 06/25/2008, -4/+7I have to disagree. No one should be in Iraq (except Iraqis).
      • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/25/2008, -3/+8I've had my walk-on part in this war. What have you done lately?
        • ssn697, on 06/25/2008, -2/+6Did you just go Pink Floyd on his ass?
        • Deadpixel1221, on 06/25/2008, -4/+1God damn chicken hawks. You and Rush and others like you should be forced into serving in Iraq for the disaster you've wrought. Multiple tours, maybe for 100 years or so.
        • JessicaLF77, on 06/25/2008, -1/+5"You and Rush and others like you should be forced into serving in Iraq..."
          What part of "I've had my walk-on part in this war" didn't you understand? Let me clarify. He HAS served in Iraq. Did that help?
        • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/25/2008, -2/+5Is this a sufficient weapon, or would you prefer something larger?

          http://digg.com/users/BohicaTwentyTwo/gallery/3621 ...
        • Deadpixel1221, on 06/25/2008, -4/+2Excuse me, let me clarify things a little for the both of you.

          Those who SUPPORT this OCCUPATION should be FORCED to STAY there for 100 YEARS. Does that make it easier for you. No exceptions.

          If John McCain doesn't think it's important when troops come home and YOU support him. Then supporters like you should pay the toll, for 100 years.

          I don't believe in nationalism, YOU do.
          I NEVER believed in this war YOU do.
          See the difference there? Did that help?
    • doublefelix, on 06/25/2008, -6/+27"And the biggest way to avoid World War III is to..." Well, not to start it, for one.
      • BohicaTwentyTwo, on 06/25/2008, -8/+15The United States does not start World Wars, we finish them.
      • vbullinger, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2You forgot to cite Eisenhower as saying that.
        • doublefelix, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I had no idea...thought it was original material. thx
    • stealthc, on 06/25/2008, -8/+2Yes.

      Let the world tear itself apart. Let the USA be the one place where people aren't blowing each other up. Let's see where the world's wealth goes when the USA is the only place you can set up shop without your factory turning into glow-in-the-dark sand.
    • shin234, on 06/25/2008, -2/+1AMEN
    • mummbleswers, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I wouldn't say bombing Iran would be a "great" way to avoid it. Not that you are, but this is an option being presented...
    • TheRealToma, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1You could always blog about it? That way youre sure to change the world!
    • sinrtb, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I think "doing nothing" would be a giant leap in the right direction. If we had done nothing when The Iraq war started we would be in a much much better state today and so would Iraq.
    • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1The way to have avoided WWIII (if indeed that is where we are headed) was to have not invaded a sovereign country without justification and without international support. That was the stupidest, most evil thing the US has done in a long time.

      How do we avoid WWIIIa t this point? Hell knows. But if it does end up in WWIII I am going to personally punch every dumbass I meet who supported the Iraq invasion in the face.
  • mshtml, on 06/25/2008, -12/+28How many countries do the US and its allies need to bomb and invade before its called a world war?
    • centran, on 06/25/2008, -3/+146... however, superpower countries count as 2 and a half.
      • mshtml, on 06/25/2008, -1/+54 down, 1 superpower or 2 - third world countries to go.

        Iraq - bombed/invaded
        Somalia - bombed
        Pakistan - bombed
        Afghanistan - bombed/invaded
        • mshtml, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4Make that 5. I almost forgot our ally Israel bombed Syria not so long ago. Maybe that only counts as half because it was treated as insignificant by the media.
        • Monk22, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1because it was insignificant. that was just a poke by Israel so Syria knew their fancy new radar was crap.
    • nikitab, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1How many people have to die in other countries for people in the West to actually give a damn and have their governments do something about it? Oh, wait, so long as we have our cars and our gas is low we don't give a rats ass... nice...

      US is, for the first time in history, taking major steps towards attempting to establish sanity in the region and people seem to not even take that into consideration.
    • Taxed, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1RE: How many countries (to world war)?
      Answer: One (but it has to be France)
  • chanop, on 06/25/2008, -11/+81My feelings if I were to be drafted is I would go. I wouldn't want to go, but neither would the thousands of other Americans. I'd feel better trying to help the other draftees get home safe. As for draft-dodgers, I would not look down on them in any way.
    • jd72277, on 06/25/2008, -0/+27honest, noble opinion= -4 diggs (at time of post). How dare you speak your mind!
      • xsquirrel378x, on 06/25/2008, -4/+11hes getting dugg down for actually saying he would go. I'd take Canada, Mexico or jail before I'd support this *****
    • holzp, on 06/25/2008, -1/+28I'm totally stealing your girlfriend and taking her to Canada. Thanks!
      • CedEx, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4If you're Canadian, you could offer marriage for citizenship and have your pick.

    • darkhand, on 06/25/2008, -4/+19I see what you're saying, but not standing up for what you believe in is cowardly. If you're truly against it then you must have the courage to not participate. Don't let the traitorous warmongers trick you into thinking that you have to go.
      • SmpleJohn, on 06/25/2008, -10/+5Yeah, so we'll just throw away everything our fathers worked for b/c we don't want to go to war. That's cowardly. Sometimes the right thing is to suck up your own fear of war for the sake of your children's future.
        • darkhand, on 06/25/2008, -1/+16The reason not to go is that there is no real threat to the country. If China knocked on our door with the million man army asking to borrow Florida, that's one thing. A useless and unnecessary war for corrupted politics is another.
        • SmpleJohn, on 06/25/2008, -6/+0If a WWIII broke out it wouldn't be b/c of corrupt politicians though. Based on our past history in joining late b/c things were getting out of control and we had to, we would do the same thing. Sure we've had some senseless wars, but I have better faith in our government that we wouldn't start a WW over some oil or corrupt leaders.
        • sodade, on 06/25/2008, -0/+5SmpleJohn - hey dude, check out this awesome bridge I got here - wanna buy it?
      • akamurph, on 06/25/2008, -5/+1hmm, wonder what would have happened if all our grandfathers thought like you do back in WWII. Coward. Move out of the USA if you wouldn't stand up and fight for her!
        • ejde, on 06/25/2008, -0/+6At least it was clear heading into our involvement in WWII who the enemy was. I am damn sure that I would have been proud to go to war against the dictators of Europe and Japan of the 1930s/1940s. They were rulers of nations who supported them, and the objectives were clear and honest. Today, that's just not how our wars are set up. We're fighting against very small groups (relatively speaking) within the borders of other nations who (sometimes) support US. This presents us with a lot of complexity that we just don't know how to handle well. My grandfather, who fought in the infantry through Italy during WWII was strongly opposed to the war in Iraq. He knew it was wrong for the country he loved and for which he took two bullets to go in there after we all found out how badly we were duped about "weapons of mass destruction." How soon we all forget about that...

          I love my country, just not her current leadership.
        • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Stop. Just stop comparing this to WWII. In that war you had Germany and Japan invading everyone around them and indeed in the case of Japan declaring war on the US and bombing us.

          Nobody was doing that here. Iraq wasn't invading anyone. If anybody was to blame it is the US at this point.

          Sure: if someone (i.e. a nation) invaded the US, I'd defend her. If rogue terrorists attack us, I support rounding them up and eliminating them. But this whole current thing is *****.
      • TheCamino, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0
        Saying no at that point is, well, pointless. Nations in wars go off the rails.
        You must have the courage to change things, before they get to that point.

        The best defense is good diplomacy, and a transparent government, so you never have to fight one of those wars unless utterly necessary.
      • squaredUP, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1I agree that you should stand up for what you believe in, but what I believe in transcends what those in Washington say and do. My family, friends and all I know always have an always will be here and I will defend them against any threat. It doesn't matter to me how we got into the fight (once we're there) if this land, my home, needs protecting I'll do it.
    • PeppermintPig, on 06/25/2008, -1/+2The country you grew up in would probably have more urgent need of you domestically.

      Most people would shrug it off and persecute the dissenters, but when is the right time to discuss why people are getting involved in these conflicts?
    • GhostyBoy, on 06/25/2008, -2/+36I'd be dodging that draft like a mutha ***** ninja and I'll be proud to stand up and say "I ain't killing NO ONE for no dumb-***** politician douchebags!"

      If it means I have to drop acid and attend a three day music festival I swear I will do it.
      • squaredUP, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Ah, but what people fail to realize is that if WWIII were to break out there will not be a person on this panet who can stay unaffected. Drafted or not, when the ***** hits the fan for real everything you think you know about "how bad it is/can be" will be a pleasant thought compared.
    • Codwhy, on 06/25/2008, -1/+5And i would not look down on you in any way either.

      I definitely would not spit in your face.

      we are all humans.
    • bagelmaster, on 06/25/2008, -2/+17Blinding serving a country that effectively betrayed you?
      • TheCamino, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0
        And what is a country made of, if not it's own citizens?
        • NOFXY, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2sleazy politicians who take their orders from money hungry corporations?
    • jepitsch, on 06/25/2008, -2/+2So your all saying if the US was invaded or if a true WW3 broke out you'd jump ship to another country and pray that it all worked itself out? I'm no mccain supporter by any stretch of the imagination but you kids have absolutely no idea what your even saying. Remember, it is thinking exactly like this that got us bombed at pearl harbor and only by a stroke of luck left it so we could still defend ourselves. It's amazing how little you all seem to know about the world wars and especially two and how close we came to being nothing.
      • masamunecyrus, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3Pearl Harbor had a lot to do with politics (cutting off supplies to Japan, etc...), and a huge amount of incompetence on the part of people in charge (ignoring blatantly obvious warning signs).
        • KennMac, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1"It's amazing how little you all seem to know about the world wars and especially two and how close we came to being nothing."

          Funny you should talk. You clearly know nothing about Pearl Harbor.
    • NNOP, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0I might volunteer to defend my country, but I'd never go if I was drafted.

      Can't see why anything would justify the draft. I mean, the more a country is in trouble the more people would naturally volunteer for service without a gun being held to their back. If there are not enough volunteers then either A) the leaders haven't made the case for war well enough to the public or B) the people actually know better than the leaders as to whether the war is actually justified. Either way a country that forces its citizens to kill people is not one I'd be keen on dying for.
  • MarkDenali, on 06/25/2008, -8/+25Okay, now I'm scared.
    • Pillage, on 06/25/2008, -4/+5Would you say that you are terrified? As if...the Huffington post was out to terrify you and others like you. That would make them..I don't know, let's call them "terrifiers".
    • staunchcentrist, on 06/25/2008, -4/+2Who's practicing the "politics of fear" now? Could it be the Huffington Post? Any president would likely have to face the decision to impose the draft given the break out of WWIII. Also the quote from McCain saying we were in the early stages of WWIII was 3 years ago. He was obviously wrong in his prediction.
  • Cole2026, on 06/25/2008, -20/+131I would rot away in a prison before I would fight for the United States in a World War between say Iran, China, Russia, and the United States. Its not that I'm a coward, I would fight for a just cause, but not for a corrupted, morally bankrupt, bully, neoconservative run, imperialist nation's agenda.
    • SuperVepr308, on 06/25/2008, -17/+6They gonna LOVE you in Leavenworth...
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 06/25/2008, -29/+14No, you're actually a coward.
    • waltwalt, on 06/25/2008, -3/+4I thought they murdered you if you didn't fight. Or is that only after you've been trained by them? Is it just jail till the war is over for not going along with a draft?
    • billymeade, on 06/25/2008, -8/+7No no, see, you'd be on America's side, not China.
    • darkhand, on 06/25/2008, -2/+28You're not a coward for standing up for what you believe in. I'd say that it takes even more courage to say no. Don't let them convince you otherwise.
      • TheCamino, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1
        Anyone can say 'no.' And then they can take the consequences.
        Real courage comes from the sweat of your brow, trying to fix things.
        Not sitting around and refusing to do something.

        I read a lot of posts here, and I am very confused why all of you think that all you have the power to do in the United States is say, 'NO' and then go to jail.
    • Codwhy, on 06/25/2008, -1/+15Dont worry, your being strong for standing up for your beliefs.

      Being a coward is blindly following orders that you know are morally corrupt.

      why rot in jail when you can just flee to another country?
      • TheCamino, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0
        "why rot in jail when you can just flee to another country?"

        Better idea, why not wait for WW3, but instead DO SOMETHING to stop it.
        You do live in a free country, you know.
        Advanced democracies require citizen participation.
        • Codwhy, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I consider myself an active citizen and i actively try to engage and pursuade people around me to be active in our government as well. You act like YOU can decide what happens with our government and our relations with other countries. Are you an Ambassador? Do you work in foreign relations in some very very high branch of the government?

          Didnt think so, So why dont you get your elitist ***** out of here and understand that i will fight to change the government, but IF that doesn't work-

          PEACE OUT
    • akamurph, on 06/25/2008, -4/+7Go move to Iran, China, or Russia r-tard. They all have mandatory military service. Then what would you do?
      • Cole2026, on 06/25/2008, -1/+3Well it would seem if World War III occurs the United States will be starting it. If I were a citizen of any of those countries, I would fight because I would be defending myself from an imperialist bully. In the same way, if the United States were attacked, I would fight for the United States as well.

        You see, change will not occur unless people take a stand and challenge the unjust values of the day. Why would you fight for a country that is an agressor toward other nations and allows for countless innocents to die? You must stop thinking that we are defined by our nations, and instead start thinking we are defined by our humanity. I will fight when the cause is just, but not when the cause is a lie.
      • michaelzhao, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2china doesnt have mandatory military service...
      • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1So just because other countries have mandatory military service I'm supposed to want to fight an unjust war? That makes no sense.
      • akamurph, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1"change will not occur unless people take a stand and challenge the unjust values of the day" - okay, I challenge you to move to Iran and challenge them for hanging young kids because they think they are gay. Or for their 'great' women values they hold. I could go on, but the list would be endless.

        "china doesn't have mandatory military service..." - try again: "onscription has existed in theory since the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949; however, because of China's huge population and therefore the large number of individuals who volunteer to join the regular armed forces, a draft has never been enforced.

        Conscription is enshrined in Article 55 of the Constitution, which states: "It is a sacred duty of every citizen of the People's Republic of China to defend his or her motherland and resist invasion. It is an honoured obligation of the citizens of the People's Republic of China to perform military service and to join the militia forces." [2]

        The present legal basis of conscription is the 1984 Military Service Law, which describes military service as a duty for "all citizens without distinction of race (...) and religious creed." This law has not been amended since it came into effect. [1] [4]"
    • emanangon, on 06/25/2008, -2/+5I agree. I was in Iraq for a year not understanding why, how, or when it was going to end, all the while things are still happening at home that I should’ve been present for. I wouldn’t want to put my family through that again.
      The problem is: How do we know a war is legitimate?
      Other than an actual invasion, (unlikely), anything else can be spun.
      To stand idle may possibly be worse than doing the wrong thing.
      We have the luxury of being relatively safe stateside to ponder the possiblities; but when surrounded by confusion, chaos, and the immediate need to act or do something?
      How would we know?
    • jdubdub, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1*kneejerk* communist!

      Oh wait... that's not what's cool these days. Terrorist!
    • finalbastion, on 06/26/2008, -2/+0How can you say a war is not just soley from the countries involved?
    • TheCamino, on 06/26/2008, -3/+4... Just a simple question.
      How would you describe the governments of Iran, China, and Russia? You're just so convinced that we're a "corrupted, morally bankrupt, bully, neoconservative run, imperialist nation."
      So, when WW3 comes along, they couldn't possibly be at fault?
      Oh, because Iran, China, and Russia are just happy utopias full of soft, huggable puppies, and rainbows!
      Lot's of candy rainbows!

      Also, if you think that WW3 would be guaranteed to be started with the USA because we're a nation of corrupt jerks, I would suggest, even radically so, you give up your citizenshp of this bastard imperialist hellhole, and go over and live in those countries.
      That'll shut you up.
      Actually, come to think about it, the secret police over there will shut you up.

      I'm a flaming liberal, and not about the love it or leave it crowd, but the fact that at the time I posted this you got 94 diggs for spewing that self-important crap. I can't stand people like you, who make a life of pointing out 'what the hell you're NOT going to do' while pointing out faults. It's pathetic. And pathetic, loafing, loathing behavior is what keeps dictators in control for generations, and people like W in the White House. Loafing keeps the people of Zimbabwe down. So please, gripe some more.

      You know how you stop WW3? You fix things so it doesn't happen. I plan on fixing things. You, why don't you either get in the game, or sit on the sideline benches, and shut up, Mr. Whiny McSelfimportant.
      • Cole2026, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3Okay, so you're saying that intervention in Iraq worked tremendously? Oh, or lets go back a hundred or so years-- the West's so called "help" in Africa turned it into the hell it is today--but lets forget that. Let's look at how well the Bay of Pigs incident went or the CIA's installation of the Shah in Iran to protect the west's oil investments--oh wow, the Iranian Revolution.

        As far as Iran goes--what have they done? Tried to pursue nuclear power--those evil bastards. Why is it fair that Israel can bully all those countries in the middle east with support from the United States, with many nuclear devices--but we will go to war with Iran in order to prevent them from using Nuclear Power (EVEN THOUGH THEIR NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT WAS SUSPENDED IN 2003). Why are we so worried about those third world countries acquiring this kind of technology? Unilateralism is *****, and you know it.

        As far as Russia and China goes--when did I say they were utopias? You're assuming and you're making yourself look like an absolute ass. The evil one is the one that attacks the other, simple as that. And as I said in a subsequent comment--I would fight given that we were attacked.

        And well, forgive me if I'm wrong, but the thing that keeps dictators in power are assholes like you who will in fact not rebel given that the government is pursuing policy contrary to your beliefs. I will not fight for a government that does the kind of stuff that the USA does. And it is the most to blame because it is the WORLD's LAST REMAINING SUPERPOWER. It's approach on crushing and war before diplomacy and multilateralism are ridiculous.

        Tell me when you fix things; the neo-conservatives are doing a great job at it (Yes, neo-cons were born from the FAR LEFT of trotsky).

        The only change you are responsible to make is changing yourself. You cannot change the opinions of others or the way things work so easily.
        • TheCamino, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1
          When did I start talking about Iraq?
          Or African aid?
          Or the Bay of Pigs?
          Or the Shah of Iran?
          And now all of the sudden I am the a-hole that keeps dictators in power? Because I won't rebel? Who the hell said that we needed a rebellion right now? ME?
          What the hell does Neo-Conservatism have to do with Trotsky again? He died long before they were ever founded. And they're not leftists.

          Seriously, you're just making crap up about me now.
          I didn't even mention anything about your talking points.
          Let me say this. There have been a lot of rebellions. A lot of them have turned out to be worse than the one before. By far. Most of them create strongmen.
          I don't advocate overthrow here. What government are we going to replace democracy with? A forced new democracy? That wouldn't be democracy, now would it?

          Man, you're young. Just full of rage, and no where to put it, except on other people you don't know.
        • SuperVepr308, on 06/26/2008, -2/+2He is full of something but I don't think its rage. He has nothing to rage about (sitting comfortably at his keyboard with cool cell phone and HD tv I'll bet)
        • Codwhy, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2First of all, Supervepr - why dont you take TheCamino's ***** out of your mouth and stop trying to make a friend.

          The point is our government barely revolves around what is best for the American people anymore. Obviously something is wrong here. We will all do our best to change America back to what it once was (you seem to think you can do it yourself), but the point is, if we cant change it, and the Richest, most elite "Americans" decide that we are still nothing but pawns in their possibly most lucrative game of Chess thus far, I'm not willing to die so they can line their pockets.

          Bottom Line.
        • Cole2026, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Yes, I apologize for being such a dick in that response. It was totally uncalled for. Sorry about that man.
      • SuperVepr308, on 06/26/2008, -2/+3Well said, sir. We probably don't agree on too much but you are dead-on in your estimation of that idiot. The fact that he got so many diggs says volumes.
    • kuzotz, on 06/26/2008, -2/+1Why rot in prison when you can just flee the country.
    • bestsoccerdog, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1You may as well leave the country now. We don't want you here. You aren't a coward, but you aren't an American either, therefore, you deserve none of the rights as an American. Why don't you go to Venezuela and suit your needs. I'm sure you would much rather have Chavez as your dictator, I mean, at least he makes your decision to fight in war easier. Either you fight or you get your head chopped off. I'm ok with people who dislike the president, since they have the right to, but I'm not ok with people who dislike their country, and by not fighting for it when asked to, you don't deserve to step foot in this country ever again. I don't like war, but if I'm drafted, I'm ok with it, because I know I'm fighting to keep America free, and if you don't like that, there's plenty of communist countries out there.
  • colonelbuckshot, on 06/25/2008, -15/+108How the heck is this nutcase one of America's two choices for President?
    • Corrosionx, on 06/25/2008, -4/+17It's not like Republicans didn't have a traditional and pro-liberty option either.
    • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -7/+6Anyone who doesn't want to take the entire system and scrap it is a nutcase. Obama fits that profile. And until we scrap most of our current system we are merely going to travel down the same road until someone takes full advantage of our countries holes and problems and takes away all of our freedoms.
      • Franswahili, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4Bush already has, just wait until we all go to use our freedoms and discover they've been taken behind our back.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -1/+2He pushed certain legislation through (very crucial legislation to our freedom......), but this began a long time ago.

          This started happening since the dawn of the 20th century. Hardin, Nixon, Bush have all passed legislation that allows the Government to control the economy, land and prisoner rights......
        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0Bush is only doing what the next logical step given the precedents of previous regimes and presidents. He just happened to be the idiotic lackey it has all been passed off on.
      • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Anyone who thinks we can take the entire system and scrap it is a nutcase. So we have to work with what we've got.

        Sorry, you're playing this awful game whether you want to or not.
    • ralphthemagi, on 06/25/2008, -3/+3Because this is actually the kind of person majority of American's relate to. The median age in this country is well above the draft-able age, as are many of their children now... and so they really don't care.
      • Joetwopointoh, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Draft proposals that have been repeatedly reintroduced lately are for 18-40 year old's. I'd say that's a fairly broad range. It's also now all people in that age range not just men and those who cannot serve in combat roles will still be drafted and required to serve by fulfilling "other" duties throughout society.

        This stuff has all been spelled out in black and white and is available to anyone curious enough to look for it. It's not nearly as undefined and ambiguous as so many appear to believe.

        They're going to have to come up with some way to put the vast majority of Americans to work soon. A huge unavoidable war and a draft will fit their needs to a tee.



    • cowsgonemadd3, on 06/25/2008, -6/+1Re-vote for Huckabee!
      • bravo1995, on 06/25/2008, -0/+4Out with Giant Douche, in with Turd Sandwich?
    • jabberwolf, on 06/25/2008, -8/+2He tells the truth.

      Media doesnt like that because they've been so wrong before.
      They cant stand it when someone is right.
    • Pillage, on 06/25/2008, -4/+2You know the republicans they never want to be outnutted by the democrats
    • thereisnostate, on 06/25/2008, -1/+7Because he puts his legs behind his head for the domestic neocons and the Israeli occupation. The mossad stream media likes this and gives this senile whore massive tv and newspaper coverage. At this juncture the only real remaining audience the mossad stream media has is the aging boomers. This is still the largest voting block and they do what the tv tells them to do. Eventually these zombies will die off of old age but it is unclear weather this will happen before they vote for a candidate who will destroy the world for Israel's sake.
    • Joetwopointoh, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1After 2004, do you really still believe there is a choice?
      • whereslindsey, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1If the GOP attempts to steal this election, i may have to exercise the 2nd ammendment and get my little ol' self a gun. You know, for the retaking of the government :)!
  • OffPiste, on 06/25/2008, -46/+5I fully support the draft.
    • PAlacrosse, on 06/25/2008, -1/+13good go on and enlist save some time
    • Chassit, on 06/25/2008, -0/+6That's because you hate the US as evidenced by every post you make.
    • gbates31, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3I support the draft, too. I fully hope a draft happens. A draft is the ONLY way to mobilize an apathetic public into meaningfully opposing and bringing about an end to this war.
  • theNazz, on 06/25/2008, -6/+10Like Phil Ochs sang... I ain't marching any more! Especially for these corrupt and criminal politicians and their thug law enforcement goons. Go ahead and put the gun to my head, I'm still not going to follow or obey.
    • Labyrinth336, on 06/25/2008, -8/+5dude, this is from the Huffington post... they dont use facts
      • bababoosh, on 06/25/2008, -2/+3Dude, you are not clever. It is so tired. Everyone knows that the Huffington Post is just opinion and not "news"
        Give it up, and stop wasting your time. I know this might be a bit difficult to wrap your head around but, people keep digging Huffington Post articles because sometimes we agree with them. :::GASP:::

        Besides, you know what they say about opinions, they are like Labrynth336's, everyone has one... or was that like something else? Nope I was right.
        • Labyrinth336, on 06/25/2008, -2/+2aww... did you not get a handshake at the Obama rally... call the wambulance
        • bababoosh, on 06/25/2008, -1/+2Labyrinth, you inability to provide a substantive response is only proof that you are either desperate or ignorant. You guys had your chance and failed miserably. Your era is over.
  • Carl306, on 06/25/2008, -6/+30Those of you Diggers who are still in high school and are contemplating going to college or not, I'd say this should probably motivate you to enroll yourself in higher education.

    Terrible idea...
    • dmwhipp, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0If you read recent articles, proposals, and legislation regarding reinstating the draft, almost all agree that being enrolled in college will no longer work as an exemption. That is rightfully viewed as being unfair as it results in sending the poorest and least educated to fight for our country.

      Links to articles are here: http://www.stopthinkvote.com/facts/militaryfacts.h ...
  • floridiot2, on 06/25/2008, -11/+88Sorry nationalism, i don't believe in you. I'll never die for a country.
    • Deadpixel1221, on 06/25/2008, -8/+31God damn right, the nutjobs supporting this maniac only know of war as a video game.
      I'd like to send a few of them back in time to WWI, then they'd understand true horror, they'd understand what it means to die in a meaningless war.
    • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -9/+4Nationalism isn't the only reason to die for a country. Do you know where we would be if no one was willing to die for their country? Barbaric.
      • stealthc, on 06/25/2008, -0/+13I think we'd be free, because "dying for your country" is the sick romantic tale expansionist empires feed their soldiers when they go on conquering binges.

        But no one is willing to die for his country. The tyrants are immediately robbed of power. Yay!
        • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -3/+1I wish I still had the same idealized view of reality.....But the fact is tyrants aren't just robbed of power because of the conscious decisions of their enemies.
        • stealthc, on 06/25/2008, -0/+6You're right! I was referring to the conscious decisions of their CONSTITUENTS in your hypothetical situation.

          You're 0 for 2 so far Iztikeit. Let's hope that logic muscle of yours tones up.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2"Dying for your country" and "Dying for a just cause" sometimes overlap. Before you attack my logic you better not make any sweeping statements, like this one.

          "But no one is willing to die for his country. The tyrants are immediately robbed of power. Yay!"

          Because that's how easy it was to solve the world's problems!

        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1You don't read much, do you?
      • Crucible1001, on 06/25/2008, -1/+5If no one would be willing to die for their country there would be no war.
        • Ramenhood, on 06/25/2008, -2/+4But the enemy is always willing. All evil needs to rule si for good men to do nothing. That sort of thing. :) I'm proud to be an American and proud of the veterans t hat have died so that I could be free.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2Some people will always be willing to die, not just for their country but for power.
        • Brassbud, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2I assure you that there were wars before there were countries.
        • univers3man, on 06/25/2008, -1/+4I hate to tell you, but there would still be war even if no one was willing to die for their country. Take the radical Muslims for instance. They fight a war not for their country, but for their religion.
      • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1You're right nationalism isn't the only reason people waste their life to war. The other common cause of war is religion.

        In fact, in Europe, warfare was absolutely brutal pre-16th century. The 30 Years War was the bloodiest conflict in europe with the exception of both world wars. It was fought because people were beginning to break away from the Catholic church. After people came to accept that people could practice different types of Christianity in aftermath of the 30 Years War, the brutality of warfare went away. With little religious tension, the period between the 17th century and the 19th century was a period of relatively low causality wars because people had nothing serious to fight for. It wasn't until people became fiercely nationalistic in the 20th century did warfare become brutal again and a war was finally able to end more lives than the 30 Years War (World War 1).

        What we can learn from all of this. If you remove religion and nationalism from the equation, soldiers have very little to fight for, and subsequent "wars" will never play themselves out in a barbaric manner.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -0/+0You do know there are things worth losing your life for, right? You call them abstract but I call them divine, it's what separates us from beasts and mere animals. You do know animals fight "wars", right?

          Long before this abstract idea came around, things were ***** fighting. You do realize this, right?

          But we still need to do basic carnal instincts in certain times, like fighting wars. I don't want to live in a world that isn't willing to fight for things greater than mere physical apparitions. I hope you live until you're 150.
    • solid12345, on 06/25/2008, -3/+27Nationalism isn't about dying for your country its about making the other SOB die for theirs!
    • DiggGeek24, on 06/25/2008, -11/+9So you would let your country be invaded you wife,mother,sister raped or killed you life destroyed.

      What would you fight for?
      • stealthc, on 06/25/2008, -0/+18"Country" is an abstraction.

        My family is made up of actual people.

        Die for an abstraction if you like. I plan to live for the reality.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -5/+2We live in very unique times because we don't have people towering over us telling us how to live our lives.

          Dieing for "abstractions" such as freedom isn't a worthwhile cause? Do you know where we would be if no one stood up for themselves and fought against the evil tyrants?
        • stealthc, on 06/25/2008, -0/+7Iztikeit: look closely at the word you used. "...if no one stood up for *themselves*..."

          That's exactly what just about anyone in their right mind would do. What I don't plan on doing is stand up for the abstract product of someone else's imagination.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0"That's exactly what just about anyone in their right mind would do."

          History would tell me that this isn't the case. *looks around world* Do we live on the same planet?

          Standing up for just yourself isn't enough. If it was, we wouldn't have that particular piece of paper. The world isn't that pretty. There isn't some 50/50 ratio between ignorance and rationality, so sitting on your ass only caring about yourself and your immediate family doesn't cut it.

          You know the people who took the initiative during the Revolutionary War weren't all peasants fighting because of mistreatment. There were plenty of very affluent people who were fighting for these "abstract" ideas because sometimes "abstract" ideas are valid.

          Freedom is from someone else' imagination?

          "Country" may be an abstraction but this planet surly isn't. If you want to shack yourself up and only care about your immediate family you are one lost soul.
        • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1People should recognize that war is never black and white. The forces you are fighting against DO believe in what they are fighting for, keep that in mind.
        • Iztikeit, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0And some beliefs need to be exhausted. You may like the whole "equality of ideas" but not all ideas and beliefs are created equally.

          We, living in the 21st century, have been dealt the hand of the present and we must play it accordingly. If we sit patiently waiting for improvement to happen accordingly we might be surprised to wake up to a worse condition. The powers of evil don't take breaks, the good among us mustn't either.

          Like I said, we don't live in a world where good and evil are at a 50/50 equilibrium. Don't neglect your duty to do good.
        • sonnybobiche, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1There are people defending this country so that your selfish ass doesn't have to. Will you let the country be invaded until they're at your family's doorstep? Will you fight only then?
        • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1You guys are ridiculousl. There is no one in the world with either the power or the willpower to really begin any serious tactical attack against the United States. Additionally, when you use words like "forces of evil" you show just how narrow minded your viewpoint of the world is. Hate to break it to you, but the world is not easily divided into two sides like Star Wars.
        • SuicideMouse, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Want freedom? Stand up and walk around your nearest city.
          This isn't freedom, you can do anything when you're free.
          Go ahead and try walking around naked in that city and see what happens.
          You have an illusion of freedom.
          You are not free.
          You are a slave.

          Oh and you're apparently blind too, sorry to be the one to have to tell you.
        • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Your actions create victims. Only victimless crimes should be considered the right of the free.
      • veijeri, on 06/25/2008, -0/+8If we were invaded we'd fight. If we're invading it should be justified. We're already in one unjustified conflict.
        • mshtml, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3We're in two unjustified conflicts. Bombing Afghanistan then staying for 6 years is insane. Its like saying if the Mafia attacks the NYC docks we're going to bomb and occupy Italy while declaring a hundred year War on Gangsters.
        • Monk22, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1not according to congress.
      • JointVenture, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1It would, look at its profile image.
    • thepeacemaker, on 06/25/2008, -2/+22"don't pledge your allegiance to your country, nationality, or flag. Rather pledge your allegiance to justice, peace, and equality"

      ...even tho i sucked at public speaking (only international student in that class), my instructor gave me an A for that line. My class mates were like 'what the hell is this guy talking about' :-)
      • transform100, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2Your so right I've been telling people this for years! eat that *****!
      • rotundo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1100% right on.
      • lacronicus, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1The thing is, to me at least, my country and flag *are* freedom and equality; certainly, only in the abstract sense, but I know my freedom comes directly from the country I live in, and stems directly from the efforts of those who have come before me. I think the distinction shouldn't be between justice and my country, but between my country and those who lead it.
    • jamesLankford, on 06/25/2008, -11/+4"Sorry nationalism, i don't believe in you"

      *****, I bet you're there rooting for your country during the olympics

      you're all for nationalism as long as it doens't cost you anything
      • Iztikeit, on 06/25/2008, -4/+0American's are extremely nationalistic. I wish I could convey to them that being "anti-nationalistic" is just another face to the same coin.
      • crazy0, on 06/25/2008, -1/+1nationalism is a suburban syndrome nowadays....
      • snassiri, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1What I don't get is jackasses like the Fox news crowd that would call people anti-american when they protest this war and stuff, or when BIll Oreilly said that the movie Rendition was anti-american because it was making a statement against torture.

        It's a pretty sad day when protesting government abuse and calling for stronger adherence to the bill of rights can be labeled as anti-american and peddled to the masses.
    • sonnybobiche, on 06/26/2008, -3/+1If you're not willing to risk your life to defend this country, you should really consider leaving.
      • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -1/+2And your attitude is how war begins in the first place...
        • sonnybobiche, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1*****. War happens with or without you. Unless you're France, you can't expect anyone to come to your rescue. That means the people have to step up and defend their nation. Those who won't because they would rather bend over should honestly just leave preemptively.
        • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3Get over your nationalism. Wake up and realize that while we may have our differences, it is never logical to kill one another to voice those differences unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary. That point will never happen between any nations if we don't take a hawkish stance against eachother. It's the uncompromising policies of neocons that lead us to war.

          If the population of a country does not hate, it will not fight other countries. It's that simple.
        • whereslindsey, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1sonny, don't forget that France helped us win independence from the British in the first place :)!

          So thank France for making your freedoms possible!

          What are we defending ourselves from in Iraq? Oil? Because that's just getting worse. If we wanted to defend ourselves from that, I think we could solve that problem domestically.

          Wow-imagine if all the money we had spent in Iraq on this unnecessary and wasteful war, had been instead invested in developing renewable and green technologies!

          Even though i didn't like him at the time, now i kinda wish Gore had been president.


  • chicoer2001, on 06/25/2008, -5/+15WWIII. Is this the same guy that said that war should be a last resort? What has Iran done. Sure they're an ass, but you dont start wars because someone's mean.
    • meghalc, on 06/25/2008, -5/+2Iran prolly is the most powerful in middle east as USA is to North America. Why would a powerful nation bow down to anyone else?

      Also, We dont know half the ***** USA (we) have done to middle east.
    • girwen, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1you're correct on that score, the only reason they want nukes is to stop the invasion bush promised.
  • Harabeck, on 06/25/2008, -9/+97Holy crap, actually read the quotes and think about the context. He is not at all saying he supports the draft. Bashing McCain is a worthy cause, but at least find real arguments, this is just plain ignorant.
    • kidjay, on 06/25/2008, -0/+7precisely!
    • alpha19, on 06/25/2008, -0/+9Thank you for catching this and pointing it out! I was about to post it too. Fearmongering is so stupid.
    • zomglolcats, on 06/25/2008, -0/+17digg is all about being ignorant.
      • BeyondDGrave, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Digg = Propaganda for Obama, at any cost.

        *ahem*
        Chaaaaannnggeeee
        */ahem*
    • davidg11, on 06/25/2008, -3/+3They keep finding these weak ass arguments to bash McCain. Unfortunately it only hurts their cause.

      How desperate are these Obama nutjobs?

      Look, if you oppose military bases in Iraq, Japan, Germany. Fine. Do not equate 100 years on a military base to 100 years "at war".
      The democratically elected Iraqi govt does not want our military to leave. Kapish?
      Either argue rationally about McCain or go to your Obama sites and bash him and Hillary on your own time.

      • snassiri, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2actually, a lot of them do want us to leave and are trying to pass laws that say we cannot establish a permanent military presence there.
      • whereslindsey, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1I want diplomacy, better education for all, renewable technologies, and a responsible end to this unnecessary and costly war in Iraq.

        If those are my pet issues, then why would i vote for McCain? Obama is much more likely to deliver on those issues than our presumptive Republican Senior Citizen. I also like the idea of equal pay for equal work, which Senator McCain failed to support.

        Regardless of what McCain says, I don't need to bash him. I already have REAL reasons (i.e. ISSUES) to not vote for him.

        Also the GOP is responsible for the most heinous bashing and smears towards Obama. If this is all McCain gets as bashing, then he should consider himself lucky, because Obama has to deal with irrational hate and prejudice. its sad that these prejudices and lies are what many who want to vote against him are basing their opinions off of.

        Those of you with Baracknophobia should educate yourselves on the ISSUES. Please, for the good of the country. Google The Blue Print for Change and at least read about the issues that affect you most and if you still believe McCain's your man, then at least you will have a rational platform to argue on.
    • floridiot2, on 06/25/2008, -2/+2The headline is still correct.
      • 1gunners4, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2The sensationalist rhetoric of the article is not.
    • drmangrum, on 06/25/2008, -0/+7Well, It IS the huffingtonpost. Even the staunchest of liberals admit that site is horribly biased.
    • shauncorleone, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3But that would require READING the article. You know nobody likes doing that!
    • chrismusaf, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2The poster starts with "McCain:" and then shows a quote from Newt Gingrich. Pure sensationalism. Buried as Inaccurate.
  • PoopStick, on 06/25/2008, -3/+24if they are invading this country then yes instate a draft.
    • gnuyen, on 06/25/2008, -5/+7If the price of freedom is slavery, the price is too high.
      • prince87x, on 06/25/2008, -1/+0A draft is much worse than slavery... I don't count on being sent to my death for something stupid like oil.
        • lacronicus, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Apparently you missed the part about "If they are invading this country."

          Fighting in a war to defend what this country has long stood for is IMO an honorable task, and I would be more than willing to accept it if called upon to do so. There is a very distinct difference between devotion to my government and devotion to my country; perhaps for others, they are the same, but for me, my "country" is my freedom, and I would do anything to protect that for myself, my family, and every other citizen of this nation.
      • Yoda900, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1That is possibly the most asinine comment I have ever read. Try reading it over a few times.
    • davidg11, on 06/25/2008, -1/+5WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • snassiri, on 06/25/2008, -1/+1If a uniformed enemy invaded this country, there would be no need for a draft. The 2nd amendment would finally come into focus for people, and we'd rally ourselves to fight the enemy.

      However, these days we fight against people in no uniform, which is why the Iraq War is so stupid. We WON the war against the uniformed government of Iraq. Now we fight against an enemy we cannot see or know. We only rely on speculation and whispers to know who the enemy is and what they are planning.

      It's a new world. You can't use the same tactics you once did. Putting your uniformed soldiers out there to police a country in hopes to quell a rebellion.

      Times change, tactics change. You need special force operations to deal with the threat of terrorism, not the full force of the military.
      • Yoda900, on 06/26/2008, -1/+1Unfortunately, we're slowly but surely being stripped of our 2nd Amendment rights, so in a few years there might not be any trouble getting a uniformed army inside the US.
    • Cuchanu, on 06/26/2008, -1/+4I agree. Iraq was never preventing us from having "Freedom" (a word republicans have ruined). The current administration would have no qualms about calling something WW3 in order to reinstate the draft.

      But if anyone were to invade our soil (no I'm not talking about immigrants you racists) it would warrant the draft. But I'll never, ever, ever, ever, fight for America's corporate interests, ei Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Vietnam, etc.

      I'll move my ass to Guatemala and eat rice and beans in the mountains with the natives before they draft me or my kids for something like that.
    • gbates31, on 06/26/2008, -1/+3if someone invaded this country there would be no need for a draft.
      • lacronicus, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Actually, there would very much be a need for the draft. Keep in mind, invading the US isn't something you take lightly; a militia really isn't going to stop anyone trying to do it. Modern war is as much about the technology as the men, and that is technology only the government can provide.

        You could almost go so far as to say the draft (in proper circumstances) is the modern form of militia. You are given modern weaponry, and taught how to use it effectively, while given proper leadership.
  • MoralThreat, on 06/25/2008, -1/+40Nothing like trying to scare the masses to get some votes.
    • jabberwolf, on 06/25/2008, -2/+6Who is the one scaring this time?

      Looks like democrats are trying to hack bits and pieces from quotes to do just that.
    • xOKxWhy, on 06/25/2008, -2/+2Works with religion
  • chaserm, on 06/25/2008, -14/+6Sure draft us to go fight to defend our Israeli masters! Wake up America!

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman ...
    • solid12345, on 06/25/2008, -1/+3You are mentally ill, look at one of your comments

      "Just like they did in WW1 by making a deal with England to get Palistine in exchange for getting the USA in the war against Germany...do you see a pattern here."

      Who is they? Just come right out and say "Za Jews, Za Jews!" instead of trying to hide behind an ambiguous anti-zionist curtain.
    • bravo1995, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1Go ahead, call us "sheeple." You know you want to.
  • whatthefu, on 06/25/2008, -3/+11Maybe it WOULD justify a draft, but there is no reasonable scenario in the near or even somewhat near future where a World War III would be a "noble fight against evil" like World War II. And at this rate America would probably be the one to start it.
    • solid12345, on 06/25/2008, -2/+2Well WW2 wasn't all that noble either, yeah the Nazis were evil but we are allied with another evil, the USSR.
      • lacronicus, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1"Allied" is a pretty loose term here; sure, we were both fighting Germany, but that didn't make us friends by any means. The only difference is that Russia largely kept to itself until after the war, at which point we did begin to get a bit hostile towards eachother.
      • Joetwopointoh, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1And the current President's Great Grandfather did business with the Nazis throughout the entire war.

        Hmmmm...

  • allengeer, on 06/25/2008, -6/+14two comments
    "I know not with which weapons world war 3 will be fought, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones" -Einstein

    WWIII would justify a move to Canada. Unless of course WWIII was with Canada. In which case it would justify a move to Mexico. Unless of course WWIII was with Mexico and Canada. In which case it would justify a move to my bunker, 50 floors below sea level.

    Must. Get. Older. Faster. Whats the draft age cut off?
    • SmpleJohn, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1Not too sure we'd have to go anywhere if it were a war between Canada and Mexico. Just bust out some cerveza's for the south and, well, it Canada. How hard could that be eh?
      • CedEx, on 06/25/2008, -0/+0You'd never get past our hockey sticks.
    • rhartman, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1In the case of a World War, I doubt moving to Canada would be an option.

      While Canada would never start one (as a nation we simply haven't the inclination or frankly, the military to do so), you can bet when life and liberty is at stake Canada would be there on the front lines. It was the US that was late to the party for the last one... ;)
      • docbob84, on 06/26/2008, -1/+0If I remember right, it was us (admittedly with help) that ended the "party" for the last TWO ;)
  • booyahbitch, on 06/25/2008, -7/+9This is NOT World War III...it is the war on terror...better know as Bush/Cheney torture-fest!!!
  • vampiregirl, on 06/25/2008, -8/+1Everyone else is throwing out links so how about one more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjyGJE21ijE
  • Labyrinth336, on 06/25/2008, -11/+43I thought this was an intelligent source... but then I saw it came from The Huffington Post...
  • porplem, on 06/25/2008, -9/+18My grandchildren will have nothing to play but World War III shooters.
    • mmmmmbiscuits, on 06/25/2008, -4/+12HINT: you need to get laid at least once before you have a chance of producing offspring
    • snassiri, on 06/25/2008, -0/+6I think there are already quite a few of those on the market.
    • Yoda900, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1If your grandchildren survive WWIII, they will probably have extra limbs with which to play, so it should be a unique experience, anyway.
  • Pronoiac, on 06/25/2008, -10/+10Typical knee jerk reactions...
    Nothing could be worse for the neocons and their middle east warmongering than a draft. It would bring it to the peoples' doorsteps and when you and everyone of your neighbors are having your children shipped off to war, it makes it real. Most people don't really know what's going on over there(including myself) due to apathy and shoddy/corrupt media coverage. A draft would throw it in everyone's faces and give the public the jolt it needs to stir up real resistance. Bumper stickers and talk over coffee would be replaced with marches, protests and real action. Support for a war will quickly dwindle when peoples' children are coming home in coffins like crazy. Obviously I hope it never comes to that but in a way it would wake the American people up and force them to make the hard decisions that we blow off and ignore right now.

    On another note: As a 19 year old male I know I'd be going but I wonder if they would draft women as well?
    • bravo1995, on 06/25/2008, -0/+2Assuming it happens in the next year or two, you'd be among the first to go. I remember worrying about the draft as a 19 year old right after 9/11.

      First they take the 20 years olds, then the 21 year olds, and on to 26, I think. Then, if they're really desperate, they take the 19 year olds, and finally the 18 year olds. I turn 27 on inauguration day, so it won't be my problem anymore.

      Not that I think it's going to happen. I think it's just ultra-left-wing fear mongering, which I find very disappointing.
      • nepidae, on 06/25/2008, -0/+0My guess is that women would start being drafted after they went through the 18-26 year old men seeing as only men have to keep their selective service stuff active. I'm not sure what the order would be after, whether you get 18-26 women first, or 27+men/women.
    • sylvok, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3No, consider it sexism, except the older feminists didn't want to work for this and it gives one of those best of both worlds things.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2I bet the people that dugg you down didn't read your entire comment. Even the best and most fair-minded people can have trouble Critically Thinking when enraged, even when the rage is completely appropriate and justified. "Emotion clouds the mind". And that is how we are manipulated.
    • Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Women should be in the draft. A terrible compromise would be to remove women from combat roles, but even that is better than the current situation where women don't have any obligations.

      But I think we should all agree the registration system should end regardless.
  • SOS84, on 06/25/2008, -12/+9I wonder is McCain knows that if he or Bushie bombs Iran, we will be on the verge of world war 3.
    • zomglolcats, on 06/25/2008, -1/+5I'm wondering if they would even care.
      • SOS84, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3They may rejoice.
      • snassiri, on 06/26/2008, -0/+3they'd probably have their ducks in a row so that WWIII would be insanely profitable for them.
  • veriix, on 06/25/2008, -1/+14See, you don't care about gas prices that much now do ya?
    • cJw314, on 06/25/2008, -2/+3"Quick! Look over there!"

      :McCain points, accepts envelope full of cash from big oil:
  • sTERNKERN, on 06/25/2008, -9/+4The U.S: is fighting in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and thinking about attacking other Middle-Eastern countries... who is talking about a world war?
    Just quit making war.
    • nikitab, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah... and let em trample on their civilian population, let em support groups like Hezbollah, let them stone people for thinking differently.... The Taliban is great and the Mullahs are the victims... It's the US that is paying money and American lives to try to bring sanity to that region of the world that seems to be stuck in the Middle Ages that is the aggressor...

      Bah, claiming that US makes war given the circumstances seems to me a completely ridiculous assertion.
  • jinsundo, on 06/25/2008, -12/+6Quite frankly, I'm just like, totally, totally flabergasted (sp?) that McCain can even count to three.

    • skeeterbug84, on 06/25/2008, -0/+3If you are going to insult his intelligence, you could have used a ***** spell checker.

      -Flabbergasted
      • vNES, on 06/26/2008, -0/+2Or, Firefox.
        Just had to say it.
      • jinsundo, on 06/26/2008, -0/+1Sorry, I didn't mean to insult the intelligence of a man who potentially can have his finger on the nuclear button and is also willing to "veto all beers."

        Or did he really mean "veto all bears"?
  • wonky73, on 06/25/2008, -10/+25Sheesh.. could these leftington post morons get any stupider and evil. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the huffington post filter. I mean digg filters all conservative websites why not the wonkoid far left ones.
    • tcpik, on 06/25/2008, -5/+3Please give me a right wing filter so I don't have to listen to you McCain war loving republicans on Digg anymore. The countries gone blue fellas, yo