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cnn.com — Lies McCain made during his convention speech.
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- JenniferInMO, on 09/06/2008, -7/+108How about that. I have been complaining that the media no longer does investigative journalism. Still none here, but at least they are relying on a nonpartisan source which ferrets out the truth. For the most part factcheck.org is reliable. There are only a few issues addressed here, but they are presented into easy to chew pieces for those who do not follow politics closely.
- GawtMilk, on 09/07/2008, -3/+17I don't think that these are "lies", just partisan inaccuracies. His sources and speechwriters aren't liars, they are trying to make his points look better. For example, if they were reading a quote of a range of prices on oil imports, lets say, $500,000,000,000 to $700,000,000,000, the Obama staffers might chose a number at the lower end of that range while McCain's speechwriters would choose the larger number.
I mean, look at the article that was submitted. It is titled "McCain's lies". The subheading on the article is:
Story Highlights
- McCain, Obama had a few inaccuracies in their convention speeches
- McCain misrepresented Obama on health care, trade
- Obama misrepresented McCain on Afghanistan, defining "middle class"
If you click on Obama's name, above where the pictures show, it shows the inaccuracies - NOT the lies - he relied on in his speech.
McCain got facts wrong in the following statements - ones about: Health Care, "Corporate Welfare", Energy Independence, Trade. Obama got facts wrong in the following statements - ones about: Fiscal Responsibility, Afghanistan, Defining "Middle Class", Personal Income.
As you can see, this CNN article did a very good job of staying neutral. The Digg submission, on the other hand, is a partisan load of crap. - twomeyw23334, on 09/07/2008, -5/+4I don't see how the last one can really be held against McCain. If Obama changes his position on something or says something he doesn't mean is it really the responsibility of the Republicans to keep up with his ever evolving stances.
- tannermenzel, on 09/07/2008, -4/+4http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20 ...
read that you closed minded, retarded liberals.- southwestnut, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2nice!
- tannermenzel, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2if you like that, please digg it. get everyone you know too. i want that on the front page. the people that don't wanna read it, need too.
- nihilville, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2wow... What a hateful piece of smear mongering.
And filled with inaccuracies to boot.
Buried. - tannermenzel, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2@nihiville: i have this feeling that you're one of the people i make fun of in school and pick on. just throwin' that out there.
- BevansDesign, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2Just go to FactCheck.org. Most of that stuff has been debunked.
Gritting your teeth in anger when you post something doesn't make it true. - Shirt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Like this is difficult to address? I'm a fairly moderate guy, but this article is the opposite of facts. For you entertainment, all 22 issues addressed:
1. Provides to citations, no sources, no quotes, no examples, basically nothing to give the statement any credibility whatsoever, and is a complete argumentative fallacy.
2. This one is just ridiculous. The Catholics that started this all point to the national bill designed to give viable aborted fetuses medical attention, but in fact the bill Obama was voting on was an Illinois state bill that included unfair liability issues that would allow to doctors to be persecuted in extreme situations. The Illinois State Medical Society also opposed this bill, not because they wanted infants to die, but because, like Obama, they wanted the bill to be redrawn. This is COMMON in a Senate. You don't vote yes on something that you think was designed poorly, unless you are a moron. More on this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next- ...
3. Ah yes, a touchy subject (I guess). I'm not sure where these examples come from, probably because they are from sound bites and it'd be too obvious that they are unrepresentative of the actual situation if you posted them. Still, a lack of real quotes invalidates this argument. And it ignores the fact that if McCain had been president when this happened he'd already be stirring up the red scare again trying to get us to be afraid of communists again. McCain said Moscow's action was part of "the centuries' old ambitions of the Russians to establish the Russian empire." WHAT? There is no evidence of this, only more evidence that McCain is still stuck in the past. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/obama-adv ...
4. He left the church after the "God Damn America" quote, not a political one. Also notable is that Rev. Wright denies claims of racism and anti-Americanism, but these claims are almost always just ignored. What happened to innocent until proven guilty, or do you people just love the way the US is run when it spins politics in your favor? But for ***** and giggles, here's a bit about the McCain-Hagee connection that the press completely ignored: http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_mccainhagee_c ...
5. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/0 ... Here are all the real facts about this little "controversy." You'll find that Ayers was not convicted of terrorism and also that there is no basis for saying he's anti-American. I won't argue that he's a good person, but the statement here rules out the possibility that a person could reform or change his ways, or "grow up" as you could say. He is now a distinguished professor and is a respected member of the Chicago Intelligentsia, so if you think this is some radical isolationist view, you are not looking at the facts.
6. If you are going to base your vote on flag pins, I doubt any rational argument I could come up with could sway your stupidity. But just for clarification, McCain was not wearing a flag pin at his convention speech (better start your anti-American campaign against him now), and Obama had put "God Bless America" at the end of many of his speeches before he started wearing the flag pin. But seriously, if you care about this you are stupid.
7. McCain does the exact same thing, only he has done it many more times because he's been in office longer. Name me a Senator who hasn't used earmarks. McCain is the real hypocrite here because he's the one parading around claiming to be such a reformer against them, when he's used them as much as anyone else.
8. These quotes are OLD, they came from a time that he ADMITTED he had not settled on a number he would like to see for capital gains tax. He has since clarified that he would like to increase the capital gains tax from 15% to 20% for people making OVER $250k. Compare that with 28% for most of Clinton's Administration. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/ob ... What I am unsure about is targeting the middle class for tax relief instead of targeting the deficit. But hey, McCain's "plan" is to lower taxes for everyone (making it more ironic that 95% of the country will be paying less taxes under Obama, yet Obama's would still bring more money to the government), which at best is idiotic, and at worst is the stupidest thing anyone could ever possibly do while in a "war."
9. I like how you fool's conveniently replaced the word "diplomacy" with "sweet talk" in order to spin your views into the mix. You bomb slingers need to shut the ***** up and let the people with IQ's high enough to remember to breath work out our problems with other countries. Do we need a backup plan? Yes. But should we ALWAYS try diplomacy first, unless we are specifically attacked? Yes. Obama has addressed all of this and none of you are listening. McCain just goes on and on about his war experience (his record, speaking of which, is facepalm-worthy) and never actually tells us what we are going to do about anything.
10. The surge has only succeeded on paper, statistically. As far as solid numbers there are fewer deaths in Baghdad now. But the Republicans never tell you (because most of them don't even know) about the sorry state of living. They don't tell you about the concrete walls encircling districts, about people that can't leave their neighborhoods because extremists will threaten their lives, about the fact that the standard of living was higher under Saddam Hussein. In some cases they can't go to school, they can't get the food and water they need because of the walls, they can't leave the city, they can't go visit friends or relatives. Oh but they have the right to vote, if they can get to a poll (most can't) so I guess that's all that matters.
11. This is maybe the most loaded argument in the race. The flawed idea that we are in a war. First, we are NOT in a war. We are occupying a country. We aren't warring with another governing body that sees things differently, or that attacked us first. We are occupying the nation of Iraq, and one thing history will teach us is this: you can't win an occupation. Everybody loses. If you people think we are going to change the Middle East anytime soon, you are incredibly naive. Here's what I agree with McCain on: it probably would take 100 years to change those people. Saying Obama wants us to lose is like saying that the majority of the soldiers and veterans that want us out of Iraq want us to lose.
12. You lunatics need to just admit that when you say someone hates America, what you really mean is that they don't see it the same way that you do, and that it frightens you. Almost all of Obama's dealings with Rezko happened before his investigation and all of them happened before he was indicted. When Rezko was under investigation in 2005, Obama spent $104.5k on a strip of land (owned by Rezko's wife) in Chicago to make his lawn bigger. He later said it was boneheaded. And as if this has anything to do at all with his stances on energy, taxes, social security, housing, the war on terror, health care, or middle income families, you people are acting like this is remotely significant. Every politician has skeletons in his closet. Look at McCain's good friend G. Gordon Libby. That guy is ***** crazy.
13. This exact same argument was used against John Kerry. How can they both be the most liberal in the Senate at the same time? You people are frightening me with your lack of logic or rational thought devices. Every election year, whoever is on the democratic ticket is magically the most "liberal" Senator, or the most "liberal" governor. Liberalism and Conservatism are not tangible things that feature specific goals or policies, that's what political parties do. No, they are mindsets, the way you look at life. Why don't you people focus on comparing actual policies of the candidates, like what they are going to DO about our countries problems?
14. Wow, you gave me 3 things to address here. 1) Any source that ranks Senators from most conservative to most liberal is a ***** source. 2) If liberal policies are made of so much fail, then why did the last 3 republican administrations have us in over $100 billion in tax deficits ($100 billion for Reagan, $200 billion for Bush Sr., and over $400 billion for Dubya) and the last single democratic administration leave us with a $20 surplus? 3) If you think the electoral college is indicative of how AMERICANS feel about politics, you are a sorry misguided person. For example, AMERICANS voted for Gore in 2000, but Bush won because of the electoral college, which has been outdated and obsolete for over a century.
15. Oh my ***** God. Did you just say that our oil reserves are bigger than Saudi Arabia's? What the ***** are you talking about? The US would be able to drill for about 3% (estimated) of the world's oil. As a country we use 25% of the world's oil. None of the 3% would be available to us for 7 to 10 years, according to economists (who you people listen to apparently only when they further your agenda). If we haven't made significant strides in alternative energy in 7 to 10 years, I ***** give up. Obama has had a detailed plan laid out for his energy policy for a good while, but you guys seem to instead focus one his tire gauge quote, which was a response to an audience member who asked if there were small things they could do to help their own fuel economy and performance. As Obama said in response to this, "It's like they take pride in being ignorant."
16. This is all rampant speculation that concludes nothing. Not worthy of a response. All I will say is this: didn't any of you people take into consideration that the reason Obama keeps moving UP in the world is because he was given the opportunity to? If you were working on a product for a company and they offered to pay you twice as much to be an executive would you turn it down because you hadn't finished the original product yet? Or did you think that maybe the reason he keeps being given these opportunities is because he EARNED them?
17. Who cares? Nobody at the RNC actually talked about policies or what they would do to fix anything. Talk about classic empty-suit. They had a whole lot to say about why you shouldn't vote for Obama, and nothing to say about why you should vote for McCain. But wait, that's exactly what this article is, isn't it?
18. Lots of Senators voted for the war and then later said they were mislead. I established earlier that the surge was only superficially successful, and I personally feel that someone who voted against it showed more common sense than one who voted for it. In all likelihood the "peace" will only be temporary, and when mass fighting breaks out again they will be in a worse position than they were in before, because now people are hoarded into walled-in neighborhoods that they can't escape from.
19. Most of this is not true, and for me to disprove something it has to be proven first. It's well known that the reason Obama has made so much MORE money than McCain on the campaign trail is because of small donations from regular people. You can plainly see that corporations give much more money to McCain than Obama.
20. Have you people seen McCain speak? Holy *****. You try to make everything a black and white issue. For example, you come to this conclusion: If Obama doesn't want to do town halls with McCain, that must mean he is afraid to. Where is the logic in that? There can be other reasons, like maybe because he already had his campaign strategy planned out, events scheduled, etc? And maybe he wasn't going to change it on a whim of his opponent?
The Saddleback question about abortion was loaded to the teeth. It's unfair to ask someone such a specific question when their stance is not based on when life begins, it is based on the freedom of a woman to choose what to do with her body. He has proven that it is he who is trying to further projects to keep women from needing abortions. If you think making abortions illegal will stop them or lower them, you are an idiot. They will only make them more dangerous and more likely to claim the lives of the mothers.
21. At least he was there for the votes. McCain has been absent from Capitol Hill more than ANY other Senator serving, and he berates them for going on vacation? Give me a break. This is the guy who thinks offshore drilling will lower gas prices and that nuclear energy is clean. Give me a ***** break. Obama voted present 130 times in the Illinois state legislature out of over 4000 votes that he cast. And fence sitting is the least common reason for voting present. Usually it is coordinated by Senators to protest or call things into attention. Tell you what, I'll give you an article. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01 ...
22. The fact that this information comes from the openly neoconservative "Weekly Standard" invalidates it completely. Something so biased does not deserve a response at all. You berate one side for being biased but not the other, making you the definition of a hypocrite.
TL;DR: The original article was heavily biased and full of massive inaccuracies. - Shirt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1For the record, one significant typo I found up there is this: Clinton's surplus was $20 billion not $20, just forgot to add the "billion" on there. Word.
- PurdueJohn, on 09/07/2008, -0/+5It's hilarious how every anti-Republican article has "The Content in this Article May be Inaccurate", while most aren't inaccurate at all.
- BevansDesign, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Yea, we need an anti-bury feature. When something gets marked as inaccurate, we should be able to click something that says "no, this actually IS accurate".
- MyFriendMcCain, on 10/28/2008, -0/+0It's unbelievable how much this guy has been getting away with. Corruption and dishonesty have permeated our political world over the last 8 years...
Have you seen this John McCain lie counter as well?
"The 165 Lies of John McCain" - http://myfriendmccain.com/
- GawtMilk, on 09/07/2008, -3/+17I don't think that these are "lies", just partisan inaccuracies. His sources and speechwriters aren't liars, they are trying to make his points look better. For example, if they were reading a quote of a range of prices on oil imports, lets say, $500,000,000,000 to $700,000,000,000, the Obama staffers might chose a number at the lower end of that range while McCain's speechwriters would choose the larger number.
- KungF0o, on 09/06/2008, -16/+142The media is controlling this election. This race is not as close as they make it. Don't buy it.
We all know the polls are biased because they generally only registered voters with landlines. These are same demographic as people who still use AOL to get online, the same people who voted Ronald Reagan as the #1 greatest American.
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/greatestameri ...
We need to win in a landslide just to win, else they will just alter a votes in Ohio/Florida/Colorado and so on.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2005/09/more-p ...
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/wa ...
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1003-32.htm
Do anything you can, even if it's just telling your friends/family. I post on Digg and various other sites to spread the word. I'm not paid by anyone to do this. I am just sick of the republican institution that has destroyed this country I love over the last 8 years.
I can't afford it and will probably eat another 2 or 3 bowls of ramen because of it, but I just donated 15$ to Barack Obama's campaign for a car magnet. At least I can say I did -something-...
If McCain/Palin win or steal this election, god help us all.- dannydawg5, on 09/07/2008, -4/+27
I can see that you care about this election as much as I do. Will you please help me spread this around? I don't want any supporters to be denied because of a technicality.
For many states, the deadline to register to vote is 30 days, which is October 5th. If we don't vote, then politicians will ignore us, and statistics show our demographic never votes. Please register in time, so on November 4, we can make them listen to us!
If you haven't already, please go here to register: http://www.rockthevote.org/- userperson, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2"If we don't vote, then politicians will ignore us"
... and if we do I'm sure they'll maybe .. just maybe then, they or their predecessors will pay attention not you, but your demographic (or what would've been your demographic) while writing their speeches / shaping their rhetoric 4 years from now. Then after they get their votes they'll ignore likely ignore you, just like they ignore everyone else who does not have a lobbyist.
- userperson, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2"If we don't vote, then politicians will ignore us"
- ginestony, on 09/07/2008, -4/+17It's refreshing to see people so fired up about their country again. I admire your determination
- v01c30fr3a50n, on 09/07/2008, -21/+7You sound like a deranged cult member. If you love your country, then go get a job, start a company, get an education... Starving yourself to donate $15 to a life long politician shows your immaturity and how little you are prepared for life. Obama gets millions from lobbyists just like McCain, he will survive without your money. I'd imagine even Obama would rather you eat a decent meal and have some money in the bank.
- ginestony, on 09/07/2008, -2/+10The $15 donation is a gesture to himself, not to Obama. Idiot.
- KMye, on 09/07/2008, -7/+9Buying a magnet to pay for .0002 seconds of airtime for a political ad is not accomplishing anything. Neither is posting on digg. There's a lot more you could be doing if you actually care about Obama winning as much as you profess to...
- DanMiller, on 09/07/2008, -1/+10However, a million people giving $15 is quite powerful. Don't knock his willingness to sacrifice for his desired representation.
- KMye, on 09/07/2008, -4/+6I'm knocking his self-aggrandizing perception he's meaningfully committed to Obama's campaign. He should be volunteering, knocking on doors, signing others up to volunteer before and on election day, etc. if he's as concerned as he's trying to build himself up as being. Posting in internet comments spaces is not a way to influence elections.
And while $15x1000000 may be significant in aggregate, but it's not a personal sacrifice to publicly pat yourself on the back for, sit back and think you've done your work, even if you're making federal minimum wage... - SwedishNinja, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Yeah man, posting on Digg is kinda preaching to the choir.
FFS, there's even a "Donate to Obama" button on the front page.
Sadly, the 18-25 demographic doesn't vote in the record numbers that the older 55+ population does. Zogby, Gallup, et. al know this, which is why they have confidence that their polls are within +/- 3% of how the whole country would vote if the election were held today and therefore discount cell phone polling. I do admire your desire to change this trend, however. - Shirt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2@KMye
He specifically said that just the $15 might set him back far enough to be forced to eat ramen for a few days. It sounds like he needs to be getting a job if he doesn't have one, not knocking on doors. Some people can afford the time to volunteer and be active, others can't, and just because he can't doesn't mean he should have the pride he felt in supporting what he felt was a good cause taken away from him. Besides, without small donations, Obama wouldn't be the democratic nominee for president right now, whatever that means to you.
This was about making himself feel good about a decision, not about getting a magnet or paying for a tiny fraction of a commercial. Everything doesn't have to be literal, some things can be symbolic.
- splorpdotorg, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Sure, they had Reagan as #1 but, did you happen to see #6?
- saynotoscience, on 09/07/2008, -13/+4wow. for real? the media is controlling this election? is this a joke? just because the media makes it look like its a really close election, doesn't mean it is.
the media can make a pile of doo-doo look, sound, and even smell like cake if it wants to, but when its all said and done, its still a big ***** pile of *****.
the only the thing the media is controlling is your perceptions. and the only way something can control your perceptions is if you let them.
and i also love how you posted this in the article that points out inaccuracies in both candidates speeches, yet whoever dugg it decided to call it 'McCain's Lies.' this is exactly the kind of 'media controlling the election' ***** you're whining about in the first place.- videodroner, on 09/07/2008, -5/+2Wow. You must have hit the truth right in the head because they are digging you down.
Don't you just love the hypocrites on Digg?
+1 - MysticChipmunk, on 09/07/2008, -3/+3Of course! Digg is just turning into an advertisement for Obama nowadays. I can't even show up here without seeing 5-10 most dugg stories of something about McCain or Palin not using the correct silverware when they eat. Digg is kissing so much Obama ass right now, it's childish.
Grow up digg.
- videodroner, on 09/07/2008, -5/+2Wow. You must have hit the truth right in the head because they are digging you down.
- kreatre2007, on 09/07/2008, -14/+7"If McCain/Palin win or steal this election, god help us all."
So.... If McCain and Palin win this election (even if it's close), you won't accept the results. How very interesting. If a liberal Marxist Democrat like Obama doesn't win then, someone stole the election from him right? You're a ***** moron. EXACTLYLY how has the Republican party "destroyed" this country? Don't make charges like that and then leave a few web links. Is your opinion controlled by what other bloggers say? Can you make up your own mind or are you guided by the opinions of others before you know what you think? I bet you're one of those bitter whiners who is still pissed that Al Gore LOST the 2000 election by 537 votes. I bet you're one of those morons who doesn't understand why the electoral college system was created. You probably think it's just another way to "steal" elections from Democrats. I endured 8 years of Bill Clinton without bitching like this. I simply respected that he won the election and moved on. All the while, I was helping George W. Bush move upward. I voted for him 2 times for Governor of Texas and then had the privilege of voting for him 2 more times for president. Unlike you, I don't place my hopes and dreams and my livelihood into the hands of elected officials. I know that if I succeed or fail, it's because of my own actions... NOT those of people in government. If I lost my job today, I would not blame it on Bush. Instead, I would try to find a way to make myself better so that I wouldn't lose my job again. We are all responsible for our own lives. You rely too much upon government or else, you wouldn't be eating ramen noodles and giving your last $15 to some inexperienced, Marxist liberal like Obama.
I will say that I agree with you about polls. At least you're right about that even if you are an idiot.- mrsammercer, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4Do you really think you can take over his entire head? It's enormous!!!
- southwestnut, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2justdoitrite said " cant even spell"
I thought that there was supposed to be a ' between the n and t.
who can't spell? - nihilville, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2Heh...
"Lost the 2000 elections by 537 votes"?
The election was decided by the supreme court.
That's why nobody trusts you Republicans... You're just not honest. - kreatre2007, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2If you understood constitutional law, you would understand how the Supreme Court made that decision. Even after the court decision, Florida finished its recounts. The final tally showed that, despite recount after recount, Bush still won Florida. That's an inconvenient truth that Gore supporters have chosen to ignore. Someday, when you have read the Constitution you will see that presidential elections are determined by the electoral college system instead of direct popular vote. I won't go into the reasons for the electoral college right now, but there is a good reason for it to exist. I think it's very interesting that Democrats are totally OK with the decisions that the Supreme Court makes when it supports their interests but, when the court makes a decision outside of the Democrat interests, then it becomes a partisan decision. You can't have it both ways. We should all be glad that we have a system in place that gives us the ability to have a decision made to prevent turmoil after and election. Bush won the ***** election. GET OVER IT!!!
- danthepiercer, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3jesus ***** christ kreatre!
you are such a ***** *****!
of course its a partisan issue when ***** doesnt go our/your way. the republicans do it as much as the democrats. where the ***** have you been, you raging genius you.
im so glad to hear that there are assholes like you out there who are man enough to deal with election results without bitching...good for you. i am so ***** happy that you were able to deal with clintons presidency and the roaring economy that came with it just like a real man should.
the problem, *****, is that YOUR candidate has driven this country straight into a war (that by now youve heard the arguments for and against so ill spare you the joy of me explaining it), ***** us with a natl debt, pissed on our constitutional rights (you know, from the constitution you seem to be so ***** familiar with), and is most likely going to be tried for ***** war crimes (provided there is any justice in this universe)!
you ask EXACTLY what the republican party has done to ***** our country...theres the short list...if you need more, then pull your head out of your self righteous ass and read a ***** newspaper, you ***** douchebag! - southwestnut, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2@justdoitrite
Are you still here? I thought trolls went back to their caves when the light of day came out?
Let us see if this works on you!
http://www.just3ants.com/MilitaryMessageBoard/1_fi ...
- jwalt1776, on 09/07/2008, -12/+5Again, not the great *Policies* Obama says he has.
Your all talking out of your butt's, and are too scared to admit, your wrong on every level, just because your *Partisan."
You have no backing behind your claims and only want to cling to a non-reality, "That you were wrong!"
Tell me one thing of substance Obama has passed as a Senator? I've looked at his voting record. I can tell all of you it's *Pitiful* when the Vice-Presidential Candidate (Sarah Palin) has a *higher approval rating* at 53%(by Americans, through Rasmussen, the most Credible Report) than all three other candidates, including John McCain who was 5 point's under her, at 48% in second, and 5 point's under that, at 43%, is *Insane Obama*, and last but not least, Biden who has a disgraceful 27%, 16% under, Barack Insane Obama. 26% behind the front runner, *Sarah Palin!" FACTUAL-NOT-RIDICULOUS!
Look in the mirror, see your stupidity and admit too, *Lying-Pedant-Deceit!*- kreatre2007, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2Democrats and liberal kooks don't care about facts. They only care about what they want. Screw everyone else.
- uqdroma, on 09/07/2008, -4/+3@KungF0o (No insult intended)Do you live in Florida? If you did you would know that McCain can win here without stealing it. If you guys want to digg me down, that's okay, but let me at least explain why I believe this.
First, Florida is made up of three main regions that are vital for the whole state to survive. However, there are only two main "political" regions. I know every state is like this but not so clearly divided on the map as it is in Florida. 90-100% of the west, north, and panhandle regions vote Republican, over 60+ counties. Within my personal margin of error, I would say that only 3-5 counties vote Democrat, Palm Beach, Broward, Dade, and maybe Monroe or Martin. Those few "blue" counties make up a vast portion of Florida's population. It consists of a highly diverse demographic. This creates a large Democratic influence in our election. Many are conservative also though. For instance, women. Very many of them are conservative in every way except they don't impress it on others. Very many of them are just straight liberal in their beliefs that nobody should tell them, or anyone how to live their lives. Plenty of women here would have or condone an abortion, but do believe in doing it for a just reason. Whether they actually believe it's right or wrong. They also don't mind teaching abstinence plus contraception. They realize kids aren't stupid no matter what they want for them. I like to think it's just having a flexible mind. People in general have to be that way here for Florida's functionality. But they still don't want the "socialism" of the far left. Even the Republicans like their "liberalism" here. Some of them are driven to the Libertarian party or other third parties. But their are two people those "flexible men and women like. Hillary Clinton, because she's not socialist enough for people to be worried, but conservative enough to let them believe in God. And she's a woman, awesome. The other is John McCain. For being a true liberal Republican, and standing for the people first before the President. Whether you believe that way or not, that is the way most on both sides see it in those "blue" counties. I observed this during the primaries, with McCain's stunning landslide here against Guiliani and others. I can't really say whether Hillary's victory over Obama was a matter of her campaigning here or not, but women here wanted her that I'm sure of. Those same women were already not afraid to vote for McCain because during the primary he only ran on his record and did not contrast himself to the others. Maybe Hillary because he knew he had his own primary locked, doesn't matter. His "image" to them is not much different than Hillary's. They believe she was genuine, whether they agreed on everything or not. I think most would've taken Hillary over McCain jsut because she is a woman. Sexist or not it's the way it is. Now that Palin is on the ticket many of them will subconsciously see that as a valid reason to take a chance on McCain. Because they believe he is genuine. Sure, plenty hate him and love Democrats to the bone and will vote Obama. But because the race here is so close because of the rest of the state being "red" the margin for Obama losing women to McCain/Palin is much lower than in other states. I would say Obama doesn't want to lose even 10-15% of them. I base this on watching the last three elections with my own eyes. McCain has been also leading the major polls here, albeit within the 3% margin of error. It also depends on turnout which in Florida is usually high on both sides, especially after the "chad" incident. I personally, am voting for McCain. Again, I'm not trying to say Obama will lose the election without Florida, I was just trying to explain why it should not be looked at as theft if McCain wins here. Whether what I'm saying happens or not, can you at least say that it is a well thought out piece of logic? Keep in mind I have the perspective of living here. Party lines aside.- danthepiercer, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1i live in Fl. (panhandle) and i have to agree...mcCain will win this area (and probably this state) without even trying.
from what i can tell...and i know i could be wrong...everyone i have encounter in fl. is just not ready for a black president.
actually the phrase i hear often is "***** that n***er".
its kind of the same everywhere, with some ppl just sticking with the party their parents always voted for and some actually making educated decisions...and then there are the ones who will vote for mcCain solely because of Mommy McWonderbitch.
trust me, the religious people around here are ***** fanatical...and the worst part is that all over this country they are one of the most dependable adn organized voting blocks.
- danthepiercer, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1i live in Fl. (panhandle) and i have to agree...mcCain will win this area (and probably this state) without even trying.
- solid12345, on 09/07/2008, -2/+4The media has been in love with Obama for 2 years now, not sure what you mean. Fox may be conservative, but it is obvious MSNBC, CNN and the big 3 news networks are pulling for him, how can anyone deny that no matter what their political affiliation is?
- Shirt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Have you noticed how the more liberal reporters always seem to be able to use more evidence to back up their claims?
Take Olbermann for example. Agree with him or not, you can't deny that he brings up a massive amount of evidence to back up his claims. Compare him with Bill O'Reilly and, well... yeah.
- Shirt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Have you noticed how the more liberal reporters always seem to be able to use more evidence to back up their claims?
- lsutiger, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Zogby has McCain with a 4 point lead. They were dead on last election. Good Luck.
- Loira1974, on 09/07/2008, -3/+0Let's not let the Republicans steal another election. I am a professional video editor and am working on a few anti-McCain videos to post online. I need help finding online video clips of McCain lies and stupid comments. Any help is welcome!
- southwestnut, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2try Digg.com.
Troll.......
http://www.just3ants.com/MilitaryMessageBoard/1_fi ...
- southwestnut, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2try Digg.com.
- SwedishNinja, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3So by your logic, the Republican Party, an evil organization that can hack voting machine, intimidate voters, and steal babies' candy at will, will be somewhat hindered by some Youtube videos?
Ok. - ASSASSYN360, on 09/07/2008, -1/+1Flying Spaghetti Monster save us all if McCain/Palin win or steal the election.
- spiffywilco, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Man, I don't know if it's funny or pathetic that both Elvis and Oprah are ranked much higher than Edison, the Wright Brothers, Einstein AND Henry Ford. If that make sense ***** off and listen to Elvis while watching Oprah. Just try not to hurt yourself and for gods sake, KEEP BUYING AND EATING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. Some of us have work to do.
Landline polls are officially over for me, forever.
P.S. EINSTEIN WAS AMERICAN!?!?!??!
- dannydawg5, on 09/07/2008, -4/+27
- Catspaw, on 09/06/2008, -6/+35More lies covered here:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/- tannermenzel, on 09/07/2008, -1/+1did you know obama voted against the war? but wait, don't you have to be a senator to vote? maybe that's just me.
- twoofmyfriends, on 09/06/2008, -46/+209McCain sucks.
Digg me up - McCain sucks
Digg me down - McCain is a cool- OfNumbers, on 09/07/2008, -1/+20It's like a glimpse in to the primaries!
- ThinkBox, on 09/07/2008, -13/+37You clicked the Obama tab too - Digg me up.
You are sheep - Digg me down- OstrakonX, on 09/07/2008, -1/+23I did, but if you look at his statements, it comes down to:
Obama - slight misrepresentations
McCain - Outright lies - EskNerd, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3Except for that last one about families losing $2k/yr on average from their income under the Bush administration--the numbers just don't back that statement up. Otherwise, I agree.
- OstrakonX, on 09/07/2008, -1/+23I did, but if you look at his statements, it comes down to:
- handenry, on 09/07/2008, -20/+4Are you kidding me?
Dugg. - ZachTorpy, on 09/07/2008, -2/+8I don't know if I should Digg you up or down, because "John McCain is a cool" could have been intended to say "John McCain is a tool", in which case you've given me too many good choices.
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: : : : : : :¯’’~~~~~~’’’ : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : | : : : : : : : : :- usbserial, on 09/07/2008, -3/+4No abortions for anyone!
Digg me down.
Abortions for all!
Digg me down.
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
Digg me up.
- usbserial, on 09/07/2008, -3/+4No abortions for anyone!
- llnylov, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2I have had it with these motha' *****' McCains on/and this mother' *****' Palin!
- Inohavehalos, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3...or, I could digg you down for being lame.
- cheeseplease, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Twoofmyfriends: This perfectly shows the intellectual depth of many diggers concerning the US elections.
I'm pro Obama myself but reading the comments and articles of other Obama supporters on digg makes me reconsider my preference all the time. To quote the best in 24h digg frontpage (just one page of stories!):
"Candidate McCain is absolutely, undeniably no different than the asshat currently sitting near the red phone"
"New GOP Spin: Palin's Not Ready"
"McCain Operatives Trying to Derail Palin Investigation"
"McCain operatives stole American Flags for a political stunt"
""Reformer" Palin Accepted Donations From Indicted Alaska Oil"
"In July, McCain Promised His VP Would Appear On Larry King"
...and then ofcourse there's the stories mindlessly praising Obama.
Digg is becoming a left-wing Fox news, but worse.- monroylobo, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2How can digg, a social bookmarking website become analogous to a news network?
- cheeseplease, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1I used the Fox news analogy because Fox is generally hated for its blunt bias. I didn't mean to say they are similar in their way of publishing stories.
- borez, on 09/07/2008, -11/+3Grab him and wrestle him to the ground
- cattletracks, on 09/07/2008, -38/+18Would you vote for John McCain?
On a boat or in a plane?
I would not, could not, vote McCain.
Not in a boat. Not on a plane.
Could you vote if he were blue?
Could he get your dog’s vote too?
My dog would not vote for him,
nor would my cat.
I would not vote for John McCain.
I would not do it and that is that.
How about in the pouring rain,
under an umbrella held by John McCain?
I would not vote for John McCain.
I would not do it in the rain.
Would you, could you, in Outer Space?
If he beat Ms. Rodham in the ‘08 race?
I would not in a boat or plane
Under an umbrella, out in the rain.
Not with my dog and not with my cat.
I would not vote for John McCain,
I would not do it and that is that!
How about with green eggs and ham?
Liberally smeared with socialist jam?
Not in a boat, not in a plane,
Not in space and not in the rain.
Not with my dog and not with my cat
with eggs or ham or tit for tat.
I will not vote for John McCain.
I just won’t do it and that is that!
How about for a pat on the back?
How about if he promised you that?
Not in a boat and not in a plane,
nor outer space nor under the rain.
Not with my dog and not with my cat,
not even for promises of a pat on the back.
I will not vote for John McCain.
I will not vote for what’s-his-name!
And if he waterboards bad guys?
Will that change - maybe - the way he looks in your eyes?
It will not change however he looks,
he’s just another of the beltway crooks.
Not in a boat or plane
or dog or cat or in the rain.
not in space and not with jam,
that’s just not the kind of guy that I am.
I will not vote for John McCain.
I said it once and I’ll say it again!
Won’t you just listen
and give him a try?
He’s not as bad
as the other bad guys.
*Sigh* I will listen.
I’ll give you that much.
I’ll sit down and listen
to that old such and such.
Did you? Have you? Listened to John?
Did you hear the kind of a roll that he’s on?
I did listen! I did!
And he told me his plans.
How he’ll fix the broke berkas with his very own hands.
He spoke of tax-turbos and great medicare.
He told me to listen if only I’d dare!
He whirled his woo-wonka
and blew his own horn.
He fought against torture and terror and scorn!~
He promised to mend all the broken doo-dundants, the winky wank toogas and pundy pun-pundits.
He’d tell all those know-it-alls we’ll have no bad feelings,
or waterboard action or pincushion needlings.
We’d show the whole world that he really does care,
from his two swollen arches to his Santa-Claus hair.
He’ll reach across aisles and glad shake glad hands
and fix all our troubles with big rubber bands
and stern anxious warnings and strong finger wagging
and tough talk and pleading and sometimes just nagging.
He’d talk about torture while wearing a berka
and get Ted to wear one and maybe John Murtha
(though he doesn’t do much, ol’ Murtha these days, Nancy and Harry have adopted his ways!)
And when he was done I sat down for awhile
and thunkity-thunk till my think-thunker stunk.
then I realized a decision had come
with a klunk.
You decided? You decided?
And what you think?
I made up my mind.
THAT DUMB OLD GUY STINKS!
NOT IN A BOAT! NOT IN A PLANE!
NOT WITH CATS AND JAM AND DOGS IN THE RAIN!
NOT IN SPACE FOR THE PRESIDENT’S RACE!
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN!
NO IS NO AND DON’T ASK ME AGAIN!- abajaj2280, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2You must write songs for Britney Spears...
- Fjosnisse, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2Get off the net, you suck!
- saqer, on 09/07/2008, -5/+2stfu u fascist bastard
- facelesscoward, on 09/07/2008, -2/+3Aw, I like your Dr. Seuss John McCain rhyme. It's cute.
- saqer, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2that was awesome...and I don't care who it's coming from.
- twomeyw23334, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Just curious, would you vote for McCain if you were in a submarine, what about inside a golf cart? By the way, that poem stunk worse than my farts.
- welliwonder, on 09/07/2008, -4/+36It is a shame he has changed so much... for the worse... :-(
- Skafia, on 09/07/2008, -0/+9Yeah...
McCain used to be to the democrats what Lieberman is to the Republicans now. - twomeyw23334, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Good, the brainwashing is working!
- welliwonder, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1I like my brain washing warm. :-)
- Skafia, on 09/07/2008, -0/+9Yeah...
- Panzwhore, on 09/07/2008, -25/+24Weird because since its not some liberal blog site it also has Obama's Lies as well....
- Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -2/+9I dugg you up but im not sure its going to help.
I read both as well. Im interested in your opinion, which ones were worse?- jdunlop2179, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2I only really thought one of Obama's were bad. I wish Digg presented slams against both candidates and wasn't so biased.
- Panzwhore, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1Well i personally don't like either candidate, i think they both are wrong choice in terms of whats best for this country but that's just my idealist sentiment. I think either way they both tend to stretch the truth maybe McCain more than Obama; but you know, what can you do?
- twomeyw23334, on 09/07/2008, -0/+5Here are the full lists from factcheck
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecki ...
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecki ...
- Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -2/+9I dugg you up but im not sure its going to help.
- SpankkBankk, on 09/07/2008, -39/+3Heyy an unbiased news source CNN!!!!
/sarcasm...- Revlution4ever, on 09/07/2008, -1/+14a) look at this guys profile. He's a racist and a McCain troll. Really, a disgusting individual.
b) let me guess, you love the "unbiased" reports on Fox News, right?
If everyone who reads this reports him, we might be able to make a difference.- uqdroma, on 09/07/2008, -2/+1Yeah like the one where Obama is interviewed by O'Reilly?
- SpankkBankk, on 09/07/2008, -2/+1Yeah lets report the McCain Fanboy Yeahh that'll make Obama win in November Yeah Yeahh... ***** *****
- trogdoor, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Notice that, despite the title, TFA actually shows lies from both candidates.
- Revlution4ever, on 09/07/2008, -1/+14a) look at this guys profile. He's a racist and a McCain troll. Really, a disgusting individual.
- rdizzle, on 09/07/2008, -30/+49factcheck.org identified 7 lies Obama told in his speech. Digg has been destroyed by McCain/Palin haters. It's a waste of time. You're not swaying people. We can see through the BS and identify the things that are accurate and those which are not. On the flip side, I admire Obama's approach, but it's the crap on Digg that sways people to not like him because you start to paint him and McCain as people they are not.
- ThinkBox, on 09/07/2008, -3/+14Yeah, I love how obvious the slant is here. There is an OBAMA tab too. But seriously, if you speak about policy in vague terms and focus more on inspirational feel good speaking, its not like they can nail you as much...
- facelesscoward, on 09/07/2008, -3/+8Because McCain regularly talks in specifics, right? Face it. The McCain camp has been in issue-dodging mode non-stop. The only way they can win this election is to paint a deceptive portrait of Barack Obama as the big bad America-hater (he doesn't put country first!) to play on the fears of the ignorant Caps lock addicts. Barack HUSSEIN Obama has a MUSLIM father and went to a RADICAL MUSLIM MADRASSA in INDONESIA.
- bjornski, on 09/07/2008, -3/+5I haven't seen anything BUT sound-bites from the GOP this year.
".......lipstick!"
*shakes head in disgust as the morons cheer these idiots on.*
Christ, the GOP is trying to elect Grandpa and Margie Gunderson.
What the ***** has happened to the intelligence of this country?
- fuzzmeister, on 09/07/2008, -2/+27Even though I'm an Obama supporter, I would only digg this if the submission made it clear that both speeches had inaccuracies.
- Cattywampus, on 09/07/2008, -0/+8I agree...
Digg submission headline: "McCain's Lies"
First bullet point of actual CNN article:
"McCain, Obama had a few inaccuracies in their convention speeches"
- Cattywampus, on 09/07/2008, -0/+8I agree...
- gunwolf, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Bravo.
- Spoomeister, on 09/07/2008, -3/+1"I admire Obama's approach, but it's the crap on Digg that sways people to not like him because you start to paint him and McCain as people they are not."
If someone's decision on who to vote for is based that much on the opinions of strangers in the comments of a news aggregation website, they're too ***** stupid to vote, and should be castrated before they breed. - allnone, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2If someone doesn't vote for Obama, because people on digg are digging up too many positive stories on him and being biased. I'm not too sure they should be voting.
- flashingcurser, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Which positive stories? I would love to read one.
- flashingcurser, on 09/07/2008, -2/+1If you look at the profiles of the first 10 or so posters to this story the only things they have dugg are anti-McCain stories. I wonder how many other accounts each of them have. It would be so easy with a tiny bit of coordinated effort to control digg.
As a stark contrast look at the people in this thread, they have posted on variety of subjects. I don't think real diggers come here only to digg 2008 presidential election anti-McCain stories.
I think with the new zogby numbers that this approach is no longer working. Attack McCain/Palin on the internet and hope some of it sticks in the MSM. I think there will be a much more openly confrontational Obama with less effort on the internet.
- ThinkBox, on 09/07/2008, -3/+14Yeah, I love how obvious the slant is here. There is an OBAMA tab too. But seriously, if you speak about policy in vague terms and focus more on inspirational feel good speaking, its not like they can nail you as much...
- gplpark92, on 09/07/2008, -8/+2http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lie
- FishHammer, on 09/07/2008, -20/+10So is anyone ever going to post anything about Obama's inconsistencies or McCain's positives? No? Anybody? Why is it so quiet...
- Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -1/+20click the 'obama' button, they're there.
- Archimboldo, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4Indeed, but look at how the submission was titled.
Any bias there? - Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4There is going to be bias everywhere you look, in all aspects of life. Its you're job to see through it and try to make a sound decision.
But, to take your side of the argument. Yes i see it, it is bad. But not because the bias exists in the first place, but because there are so many people out there that have no ability to see through it.
- Archimboldo, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4Indeed, but look at how the submission was titled.
- AtlanticVortex, on 09/07/2008, -3/+5This page also goes over Obama's inconsistencies, did you actually go to the link?
- mattw, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2I think he meant post it on digg. Instead of just posting McCain's Lies.
- bjornski, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4The "submit" button is right there. Go for it.
- Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -1/+20click the 'obama' button, they're there.
- monsterman1994, on 09/07/2008, -14/+5Obama FTW!
- Subriot, on 09/07/2008, -3/+12Read the article, I'm sorry to break it to you, but Obama lied too.
- snakesonasam, on 09/07/2008, -2/+84There is a section for Obama as well...
- v01c30fr3a50n, on 09/07/2008, -16/+12Yeah, but the digg title is "McCain's Lies". That is the problem. Digg is getting to be worthless...
- Thud, on 09/07/2008, -5/+3Only McCain's lies are lies.
Obama's lies aren't really lies. It's just that reality has a nontruthful bias.
- Raiderkid6, on 09/07/2008, -5/+34Im guessing you didnt need to include "Obama Lied: Things Obama lied about during his convention speech" as well...
- chr0nic21, on 09/07/2008, -12/+11I got sick of this news...It's like hearing the news of how Bush corrupted the economy over and over again......
I dont get why people still vote for his ass though....Are you all crazy?
But then again, when I saw a whole mess of white people dancing like bunch of kids with down syndrome in the RNC last week....I might already have my answer.- ThinkBox, on 09/07/2008, -6/+5Maybe you were just looking at the child on stage who had down syndrome, *****.
- Fjosnisse, on 09/07/2008, -6/+44McCain AND Obama lies. Ya douchebags.
sorry for that, i have low blood sugar.- RaynOfDarkness, on 09/07/2008, -1/+0STOPS COPIES ME!
- cash4chaos, on 09/07/2008, -32/+1Again ***** Osama Obama and his mama !
- BeeArePro, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4Was that space at the end really needed ?
- bjornski, on 09/07/2008, -1/+9Let's see. Racist AND childish. Check.
Republicans wonder why people think they're morons? Here's "exhibit 1".- uqdroma, on 09/07/2008, -5/+1No we don't Democrats and assholes like cash4chaos remind us Repubs enough, no offense to Democrats. But be honest I get reminded about how I'm a "repug" enough too. Without warrant.
- bjornski, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4At least they can probably work it into a semi-coherent sentence at more than a 3rd grade level, unlike our poster-boy, cash4chaos up there.
But you are right. I see it on both sides. But when I see political campaigns HIRING agencies which do nothing but pretty much that, well, you've just fully legitimized it. Don't be surprised when your "enemy" starts using the same tactics back.
I'm sick of it.
The problem I see on both sides is the pigs. Remember kids. Don't fight with the pigs. They like it, and you'll only get dirty and look bad.
This goes for BOTH sides of the aisle. For *****'s sake. Grow up already.
- ajames01, on 09/07/2008, -4/+16If the source isn't biased the digg title of course has to be. This is lies they've both told.
- DaviDTC, on 09/07/2008, -3/+5This wouldnt of made front page if it said Obama lies.
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3Wouldn't *have* made the front page.
HTH
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3Wouldn't *have* made the front page.
- DaviDTC, on 09/07/2008, -3/+5This wouldnt of made front page if it said Obama lies.
- Skafia, on 09/07/2008, -6/+8The people that will read this slideshow are the people that already know McCain is lying/grossly exaggerating.
...***** - HOTM, on 09/07/2008, -3/+36It's for Obama's lies too. Of course I'm sure I'll somehow be buried for supporting Mccain by saying that they both lie.
- BeeArePro, on 09/07/2008, -7/+6in b4 "Report as inaccurate"
- tbredofsin, on 09/07/2008, -4/+56You know it's Digg when an article about McCain AND Obama's lies gets labeled only as McCain's.
- TedLW30101, on 09/07/2008, -3/+21Funny, if you read the article it is information regarding BOTH Obama as well as McCain.
I wonder why the poster's headline is one-sided.....- Gryffydd, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4Because if it weren't this would have never come within a hundred miles of the front page.
- samimnot, on 09/07/2008, -13/+15Health Care:
McCain: Sen. Obama’s plan will force small businesses to cut jobs…
Fact Check: That's a lie...Sen. Obama's plan exempts small businesses
Corporate Welfare:
McCain: Sen. Obama passed another corporate welfare bill for oil companies…
Fact Check: Another lie...Sen. Obama actually “raised” taxes on oil companies by $300 million
Energy Independence:
McCain: Were going to stop sending $700 million a year, to countries the don’t like us...
Fact Check: Sorry, but that's just another lie...US imports 4.9 billion barrels of oil / $536 billion
Trade:
McCain: I will open new markets to our trades and goods...
Fact Check: Every word that comes out out of Sen. McCain's mouth seems to be a lie...Sen. Obama is the one that actually the wants to “renegotiate” NAFTA- cpovey, on 09/09/2008, -0/+1Nice of you to include the Obama side as well. How unbiased of you.
- gunwolf, on 09/07/2008, -7/+8I went to FactCheck.org and was interested on the part about how Obama was wrong on the ""average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush."
From the site:
"Obama also pulled some sleight of hand when he stated that "the average American family" saw its income "go down $2,000" under George Bush. That's not correct. Census figures show average family income went down $348.
As it turns out, when Obama said "average family income," he didn't mean "average," and he didn't mean "family," either. An Obama aide says he was really referring to median income – which is the midpoint – and not to the average. And Obama was talking only about "working families," not retired couples.
For all families, median family income actually inched up under Bush by $272."
What I'm interested in then is has the cost of living gone up under the Bush administration, and if so, is the Bush Administration tied to any of it?
Because I would think that if the income has gone up, it would also likely mean the cost of living has gone up (gas, etc); and if the average family isn't coming out with a surplus, that would explain our country's current pains.- HappyScrappy, on 09/07/2008, -2/+11"average" is an imprecise term and can refer to arithmatic mean, geometric mean, harmonic mean, median or mode, or indeed a lot of other things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average
Just because you usually think of the arithmatic mean doesn't mean that any other use of "average" is incorrect. - uqdroma, on 09/07/2008, -1/+1Weird, I saw the average family income stuff reported on FOX three days ago. Most of this ***** is also old news to a FOX viewer on both camps. Whether you believe it or not, I know what I saw.
- JigoroKano, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2Not that I would ever want to be an apologist for the Bush administration, but in considering incomes the mean is usually extremely biased by top earners. The median is more indicative of the average person. So Obama has really distorted the truth here.
From that census data, one can see that wages have really stagnated though. It's too bad he didn't stick to the facts, because there certainly are facts to talk about. - rytr23, on 09/07/2008, -2/+4Well, with wages essentially flatlined, and costs of everything up, oh and the dollar becoming the world's toilet paper.. I would be surprised if it was only 2K. You're salary today is worth less than it was 8 years ago, or even 4.
- Arrowette, on 09/07/2008, -1/+0Do these numbers account for inflation?
- HappyScrappy, on 09/07/2008, -2/+11"average" is an imprecise term and can refer to arithmatic mean, geometric mean, harmonic mean, median or mode, or indeed a lot of other things.
- melfster, on 09/07/2008, -10/+5We all know that all politicians LIE. There has never been a politician that has told the truth 100%. But some politician like Bush taking Lies to a new level. McCain is using same tactics as Bush and wants to emulate him as much possible.
- electrolemon, on 09/07/2008, -10/+4Hey guys, McCain here. Just figured out how to get onto my web! I just hope I can get off without 'blowing the computer'! hahahaha. that's the correct terminology you guys are using nowadays, right? Well, i've got to go now, we're going to laugh at orphans at nearest shelter. If you want to come along, just give me a call at "3" or send me a message at mccainb4b13powpowpow@aol.com. Seacrest out!
(*****, how do I get off of this web)- goosegoosegoose, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Humor fail!
- urazn13, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1yeah, you overdid it. buried
- BillOReilly08, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Where did you get that fine bud you just smoked?
- gmacnay, on 09/07/2008, -5/+18As a lifelong Conservative voting Canadian, I identify with the US Democrats 90% of the time and can not imagine McCain and Palin for the next four years. GOD help the US steer themselves in the right direction for the betterment of themselves and the World.
- ginestony, on 09/07/2008, -1/+6God's on vacation playing an early copy of Spore, trying to see where he went wrong.
- v01c30fr3a50n, on 09/07/2008, -7/+0"GOD help the US steer themselves". You sound more McCain/Palin than Obama/Biden. Also, don't Canadians have their own digg? And their own politics to worry about?
- ginestony, on 09/07/2008, -4/+17I love how this election is the educated vs the uneducated. Why would anyone want to make their base voters the middle-class uneducated white vote? Apparently the uneducated white middle-class voters that are McCain's base are too uneducated to realize that they don't mean anything to him except for a vote. It's been made plain obvious by the choice of Palin, and by their decision to keep her away from the media. They don't want the educated voters to ask her educated questions and have her give a stupid answer that would actually make the uneducated voters' brains start working and saying "hey, you're a ***** douche!".
This election is like playing a chess game with a stupid highschool jock. His only defense to your good moves are to yell at you incoherently and get his other stupid followers to heckle you out of the building.- v01c30fr3a50n, on 09/07/2008, -6/+1Republicans on average are better educated and wealthier than Democrats. I believe you are thinking of Hilary vs Obama campaign. "Apparently the uneducated white middle-class voters that are McCain's base are too uneducated to realize that they don't mean anything to him except for a vote." As opposed to the "educated" Obama supporters who think they mean they are anything but a means for Obama to achieve his ends? Just because you are on digg and support Obama doesn't mean you are "educated", it means you are just cynical...
- ginestony, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4Kettle, meet Pot
- Wartyboskfapped, on 09/07/2008, -1/+7"Republicans on average are better educated and wealthier than Democrats."
Cue: picture of guy with placard at RNC saying "MAVRICK" - crimsonalucard, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2He probably meant "conservatives" not "republicans"
- morcheeba, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1@warty - I loved that guy!! I wanted to pair that image with McCain speaking earlier about how people should volunteer to tutor illiterate adults.
Edit: Whoops - someone already did... or there are two mavrick guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9AoWRxigNY
- schuder, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Better educated also means more extreme and the more you identify with a party (anyone who identifies with a party can't be that smart, they both suck). Education is not everything, I took classes at Harvard and all the undergrads there were complete douches who had never worked a day in their life.
- v01c30fr3a50n, on 09/07/2008, -6/+1Republicans on average are better educated and wealthier than Democrats. I believe you are thinking of Hilary vs Obama campaign. "Apparently the uneducated white middle-class voters that are McCain's base are too uneducated to realize that they don't mean anything to him except for a vote." As opposed to the "educated" Obama supporters who think they mean they are anything but a means for Obama to achieve his ends? Just because you are on digg and support Obama doesn't mean you are "educated", it means you are just cynical...
- LaComedia, on 09/07/2008, -1/+24Article titles like this are exactly why people are asking if Digg is partisan. The CNN and FactCheck.org article linked here outlines BOTH McCain's and Obama's "lies" during their speeches. I am voting for Obama in the next election, but titles like this that mislead people are getting tiresome.
- schuder, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1Clearly you are correct, but if you expect to get a story to the front page it generally has to follow this trend. I was on the fence this election, I'm really not impressed by either but Obama's fans like this have certainly made me all but ensure I'm not voting for him.
- chall2001, on 09/07/2008, -8/+6I wonder how many Obama disciples will digg this before realizing it includes Obama's lies also?
Both men are good candidates but what the hell has happened to the Democratic party? I'm a life long democrat and I've never seen my fellow party members resort to such slime ball tactics. The attacks on Hillary and then McCain are sickening and demean the entire democratic process. I was hoping the dems would not lose the moral high-ground but its too late now.- Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -4/+3Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike? This article? wha?
btw did you watch the RNC? Dems moral high ground is lost?
Im guessing you're a fake.
- Shiftgood, on 09/07/2008, -4/+3Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike? This article? wha?
- charm803, on 09/07/2008, -2/+8What happened here is not that they both lied, is that they misinterpreted each other's speeches about hypothetical scenarios.
But the title is misleading, it is McCain's AND Obama's lies....
I consider a lie about something they said they did not do something but did, or didn't do something and said they didn't. - tikited, on 09/07/2008, -3/+6I know mccain lies, is wrong, and forget what to say. I choose Obama for 2008 best choice. I loved, what Triumph the Dog said at the RNC. He could die during presidency and evil Palin would be president which would be a bad choice.
- TKD2K1, on 09/07/2008, -3/+9I love how the title on Digg says "McCain Lies...". What about Obama AND McCain BOTH lie?????? The link has an equal section that shows the same number of things that OBAMA lied about too. But of course you liberals would never want to bring to light that your new idol has ever not been truthful about anything.....
Obama is a politician. He too will lie.....and he does. If he gets elected, what will you all say when he doesn't make good on all of these things? Like every other election.- arkaycee, on 09/07/2008, -1/+0All true. However, Obama has been relatively more consistent in his positions than has McCain. Still, I'm disappointed in them both -- just less so in Obama. Had McCain run in 2000, I might well have voted for him based on my understanding of his positions back then. But now, he makes maverick claims with nothing much to back them up.
- schuder, on 09/07/2008, -0/+1I had a moment where I thought while reading Digg I was in North Korea again. Not comparing Obama to Kim, but Obama's fanatics are a lot like the North Koreans.
- Ceeman, on 09/07/2008, -2/+17They both lie stop following blindly just because someone has a R or a D next to their name.
- JLSN, on 09/07/2008, -8/+5The republican party is based on the big lie. They just keep saying they will support the middle class but never ever do. The amazing thing is that the average fing voter keeps buying that *****.
I remember a president under which we all did well, rich and middle class. The sick thing is you people say Clinton was a nightmare. Give me a break. You just don't want Obama to suceed because you are scared it will be really good, and will highlight your failed policies.- uqdroma, on 09/07/2008, -0/+0NAFTA destroyed the job market here in Florida.
- Dawnrazor, on 09/07/2008, -6/+5All politicians are liars, some, like McCain, are just worse than others.
- trogdoor, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3Now, does that mean that others lie less, or that they are just better at it?
- kreatre2007, on 09/07/2008, -7/+3Sure. I'm going to take CNN's word for it. Next, I will be asking Karl Marx about how great Capitalism is.
- soccerman90, on 09/07/2008, -1/+6just because a majority of us are democrats, doesnt mean we have to be biased. There is a section for obama too.
- wizzroom, on 09/07/2008, -2/+3where does he get this ***** from? seriously.
- HappyScrappy, on 09/07/2008, -6/+4A couple weeks ago, Digg investigated, and said the "McCain bury brigade" didn't exist. Well, maybe it didn't then, but it does now. Any anti-McCain story gets marked as inaccurate, regardless of accuracy.
Digg, it's time to act. Bury brigades go against the spirit of Digg. Act now before your users lose faith.- theblt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4Are you out of your ***** mind? Bury brigades? Anyone who speaks against Obama almost always gets an insta-bury here on Digg. And you want to further advance the huge circle-jerk that Digg has become?
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/The_Real_Palin_S ...
^^^^^^^
These stories are buried because they ARE inaccurate. Name one in the picture linked above that was actually accurate.- HappyScrappy, on 09/07/2008, -3/+2going down the left:
#1 is accurate, in that Palin said that she thought both sides should be taught. A direct quote from her.
#2 is undetermined.
#3 is currently deemed inaccurate. The party now says Palin was not a member, just her husband. This may be a cover-up, but it's the only info we have, so we have to go with what it says.
#4 is accurate. It accurately recaps the media circus.
#5 is accurate. McCain calls himself "the original maverick", and you want to say he's lying about himself?
#6 is a dup of #3. Inaccurate.
#7 is inaccurate.
#8 is inaccurate. A pretty ***** hit job if you ask me. Who do the writers of this article think would reasonably follow their stupid pretzel logic that leads to that conclusion?
#9 is accurate. Palin not only backed the "bridge to nowhere" until it was clear it would never be built, but even took the federal money to build the access roads to the bridge that will never be built.
#10 is a dupe of #9. Accurate.
#11 is a comedy article and is filed as such. It can no more be inaccurate than an Onion article can. Accurate.
#12 is a dupe of #7. Inaccurate.
#13 is a dupe of #7. Inaccurate.
#14 is a dupe of #9. Accurate.
#15 is a matter of opinion. In my mind, it is very accurate. It's difficult to mark an opinion piece as inaccurate, even if you disagree with the conclusions. Not unless it gets the facts the opinion is drawn from wrong.
#16 is accurate. He did only meet her twice.
#17 is accurate. She's pro-drilling, like it says in the summary. And the quote is accurate too.
(now over to the 2nd column)
#18 is accurate. VECO. These contributions are significant and accurately represented. They are also worrying in my mind.
#19 is a ridiculous hit piece. I personally didn't mark it as inaccurate since there is no evidence either way, although I did condemn it in a comment. You just can't write an article like that with no evidence. I wouldn't complain about someone who marked it as inaccurate.
#20 is accurate. And frankly, it's scummy. The clip was short, but give me a break. Using the death of innocents to scare for political gain is beneath contempt.
#21 is accurate in the facts but is in my mind probably misleading. Yes, the Dems raised $8M. No, it's not clear there is a causal link to Palin's speech. But that's not quite a disproof in and of itself. I would consider marking it inaccurate to be petty and wrong, given that it is based upon accurate facts.
#22, #23 and #24 aren't even duplicate Digg articles. Someone just listed the same article 3 times. Ridiculous.
#25 is accurate. Every politician stretches the truth, why deny it? Romney said we should "ground Al Gore's private jet" even though he doesn't own one. He said Palin sold the Alaska Governor's jet on eBay at a profit, when it neither sold on eBay not was sold at a profit (Palin accurately said she put it on eBay, not mentioning it didn't sell and was sold in a private deal at a $500K loss).
#26 is accurate. Is it really her fault? Dunno. But that's the outcome.
#27 is accurate.
#28 I have no idea if this is accurate. I suspect it is, but that's not enough.
#29 is completely accurate. This is the worst example of people marking truth as inaccurate. This woman gave her opinion and it is reported accurately. Just because you don't like someone's opinion doesn't make it an inaccurate report.
#30 is accurate. The Repubs are trying to say everything Obama has done in terms of leadership and representing 230,000 people is invalid while leading 7,000 people in a part-time job is a big deal. That's a ridiculous distortion.
#31 is accurate. Palin wishes it were not, but she has to deal with it. That's the tough part of being in office.
#32 is accurate I guess, by virtue of using a zillion weasel words. I'd personally ignore this article, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily inaccurate, more so lame it doesn't matter.
#33 is in the wrong topic. Mark it as "wrong topic". It was clearly comedy.
#34 is accurate and also immensely stupid. It gets the facts right and then draws absurd conclusions.
So that's 20 or or so accurate articles that people buried, most of them because they didn't like what the articles said.
Anyone who would bury an article like this because they don't like what it said shouldn't be on digg. Go to newsmax, you won't find anyone who will inconvenience you with truth you don't want to hear over there.
And you can't bury every huffpo and kos article accurate just because you don't like the source. Even newsmax gets some stuff right!
- HappyScrappy, on 09/07/2008, -3/+2going down the left:
- uqdroma, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3Funny, I've noticed more positive responses toward McCain on the weekend. I've been following nothing but for two weeks. Evening and weekends are definitely Republicans finest hours on digg. What's that say exactly?
- Gutterpunk, on 09/07/2008, -3/+1That you are a biased prick who want to imply that unlike Liberals, Republicans have jobs when you are here yourself glorifying McCain 24/7, making you one of those jobless losers you hate so much.
- uqdroma, on 09/08/2008, -0/+0"That you are a biased prick who want to imply that unlike Liberals, Republicans have jobs when you are here yourself glorifying McCain 24/7, making you one of those jobless losers you hate so much."
You said it, not me. Is your attitude a reflection of how you feel about yourself?
Resorting to insults and assumptions. Typical digg troll. I work in IT and own my own small business. My schedule is flexible enough. The fact that I'm one of few Republicans here during the day still says something. My point was that just because digg has a majority Democratic base doesn't mean it is a thermometer of the mood of the country. There are plenty of people that don't agree with the diggers. They usually come out in the evenings and on the weekends. Research it for yourself. I also don't "glorify" McCain just because I agree with him. I don't act like he is Jesus, which is more than I can say for the people crying and passing out at Obama rallies.
- theblt, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4Are you out of your ***** mind? Bury brigades? Anyone who speaks against Obama almost always gets an insta-bury here on Digg. And you want to further advance the huge circle-jerk that Digg has become?
- gunwolf, on 09/07/2008, -0/+5I sent my friend this link and he reminded me of a quote from "The West Wing" that I can't verify at the moment; where in one of the characters explains that "politics is about making less mistakes than the other guy."
- Aguyinachair, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3I expected the list to be alot longer.
- morningmatters, on 09/07/2008, -6/+6Sheesh. I wonder how long will it will take for the paid RNC posters to bury and get the "inaccurate content" flag to appear next to this news piece. Truth will get out no matter what.
- theblt, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4Paid Republican National Convention posters? Are you high?
- mikemarino, on 09/07/2008, -12/+16Digg is now left wing garbage.
Every time you digg this comment down Rush Limbaugh gains 4 strength and 4 stam.
- DeuceDiggalow, on 09/07/2008, -10/+4Hey guess what? You suck.
- theblt, on 09/07/2008, -2/+6And in that pile of left wing garbage are a bunch of flags.
Zing! - hoshinokoe, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4***** mike i lol'd hard!!!
- mikemarino, on 09/07/2008, -1/+5I'm glad to see that there are at least a few individuals that have not become brainwashed by this obama frenzy.
- djtomorama, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2But gains no hearing.
- DatVillain83, on 09/07/2008, -2/+3why can't adults have opinions? geez!
- stevedriskill, on 09/07/2008, -2/+2Rush Limbaugh is the Stephen Colbert of the radio. He really doesn't believe everything he says, he's entertaining his audience.
- homercles337, on 09/07/2008, -3/+2"Left wing garbage"? You ***** dope those facts come from factcheck.org. Why does your "small town values" hate facts so much?
- UNCsucks, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Did you even read the first line of the article? It's about inaccuracies in McCain AND Obama's speech...but the submitter only bothered to say "McCain's Lies" in the headline.
Bias.
- UNCsucks, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Did you even read the first line of the article? It's about inaccuracies in McCain AND Obama's speech...but the submitter only bothered to say "McCain's Lies" in the headline.
- SwedishNinja, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2"Is now"
LOL. It's been this way for months now. It's part of the reason I've switched to Reddit (Although that's nearly as bad) and only occasionally come back here.
- M00nshield, on 09/07/2008, -11/+4John McClane for president!!
- albinorhino101, on 09/07/2008, -2/+1YIPPIE KAI-YAY MOTHER *****!!
- gavintlgold, on 09/07/2008, -1/+2http://picpaste.com/hmm_1.png ....
- Shuk, on 09/07/2008, -1/+3Wow... I'm pleasantly surprised to see this from CNN. Pure facts. I liked how they cleared up BOTH Obama and McCain's spin. The submitter is a partisan hack though. I like Obama as much as the rest of you, but lets remain objective here.
Yes, politicians lie and spin, they all do, every single one of them. The judgment comes from if their lies actually affect their policy and decision making, or if they are just engaging in an old fashioned bash-fest. In this case, both McCain and Obama are just doing some light political boxing here. You can't expect a speech at a party convention to be an honest, reasoned discourse. - dyvvyd, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4The linked article shows four examples of what both Obama and McCain got wrong. It never uses the terminology "lies".The poster of this item on digg is either intellectually irresponsible or not mentally qualified to vote (re: Ron Paul supporter) j/k RP has some good ideas, just a lot of weirdness baggage.
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