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Obama Apologizes Directly to Muslim Women
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com — Perhaps he really does mean for change...He personally called the women that were not allowed on stage with him to apologize. Can you see McCain doing this?
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- RUTHDFW, on 06/19/2008, -50/+282Class Act!
- ThickGreenPuke, on 06/20/2008, -3/+14So will they(muslim women) appear standing next to him on stage in the next conference? I think they should.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+21That would be giving too much importance to the event. I'm sure that Obama want this episode to be forgotten, and having them near him at the next rally would just fire the ire of some people who would accuse him on banking on the event.
Plus, those two Muslim woman might not want to have the crazies go after them to find some dubious link to try and use the whole event against Obama.- hittnrun, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1Well he is a Muslim, afterall.
- cdahlkvist, on 06/20/2008, -26/+9Why would it matter. They are Muslim women. Their husbands won't allow them to vote anyhow.
- malex, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5You don't know even a single Muslim person, do you?
- DavidBGie, on 06/21/2008, -2/+3Should read "Obama directly orders muslim women out of photo because that is what wanna-be muslim men do." Obama is a big phony.
- hempydave, on 06/21/2008, -1/+2you hit the nail on the head there!
- cdahlkvist, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1Of course I get buried for speaking the truth. I should have expected it from Digg.
It's funny how so many run to scream "injustice" when they hear about all the crap Muslim women put up with but then I make a comment on how it will be the typical "shut up woman" Muslim practice and I get buried.
Malex: btw, I know 11 Muslims so STFU. - fuse13, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1cdahlkvist, you got buried for saying nothing useful. You made a snide bigoted comment and that was about it. What do you want, a parade through the streets where we praise the magnificence of your glorious post?
- dystra, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5i think letting them sit behind him during his next speach would show real civility. it's what they wanted in the first place.
- acegi, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7This is a perfect setup. Now that the word is out, impact of those muslim women showing up behind obama will be minimal, as opposed to them appearing without any prior knowledge by the public.
Fox can't get a jump on this now.
Class act + smart move by obama. - Dysarthria, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1Of course not.
The Obama camp apologized because they got caught pushing Muslim American out of a picture; they won't make the same mistake twice as control of his photo ops and speeches will tighten before the election.
- known, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1And every religion is a covert mask for socio-economic collusion...
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+21That would be giving too much importance to the event. I'm sure that Obama want this episode to be forgotten, and having them near him at the next rally would just fire the ire of some people who would accuse him on banking on the event.
- gimmeslack12, on 06/20/2008, -2/+38Class act indeed, not necessarily by Obama but by the women having the humility to accept the apology and move on. Resolutions are nice to hear about in such cases.
- sconnor, on 06/22/2008, -0/+0That is if they were sincere & not selfserving...
- Rahodeb, on 06/20/2008, -22/+7Nothing classier than having to apologize for overt racism, especially from someone like Obama. You'd think he of all people would know better.
- 5urr3al5am, on 06/20/2008, -9/+1really. and McCain would NOT have had his people excuse them from the stage in the fist place, like Obama did -- what an empty apology. Democrats should also apologize for not wanting to fight for the Muslims (women especially) freedom, like Bush did.
- BigBinxter, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5Rahodeb, I think you missed the part where it says Obama's VOLUNTEERS navigated the two women off the stage.
He isn't an usher. He doesn't make his entrance until well after everyone is seated, and therefore had no direct involvement in the overt racism.
His volunteers probably thought they were protecting him from another opportunity for the media to call him a closet Muslim, but really worked against his goals. I hope they apologized, too.- hempydave, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1So it his supporters that are racist then?
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1perhaps, but what is more likely is that they were trying to protect Obama from all of the Rush Limbaughs of the world who would love to have an opportunity to "accidentally" call Obama "Osama" or to hint that he is muslim or that he hates America. I doubt the supporters are racist, given Obama's background and stance on racism. However, they were responding to the blatant racism coming from people on the other side of the aisle, which they would be better off not even acknowledging.
- PoopStick, on 06/20/2008, -19/+7Really? you believe it? Blahahahahah fools
- npowel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+8Believe what? I believe they tried to sit there, were denied, and were apologised too by Obama. Where's the reason to not believe that? I'm not naïve; it's obvious that this was mostly done for the media, but that really isn't the point, is it?
Your comment has no point and makes no sense. - npowel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Ugh, *to.
- npowel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+8Believe what? I believe they tried to sit there, were denied, and were apologised too by Obama. Where's the reason to not believe that? I'm not naïve; it's obvious that this was mostly done for the media, but that really isn't the point, is it?
- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -22/+30Class act my butt! This is Cover Your Ass because it became a story in the news. This was a political move, nothing else. Take off your rose colored glasses.
- gungaroo22, on 06/20/2008, -7/+3Seconded. See how well it's done for his image here on Digg? You can't buy this kind of good publicity - you have to create it like he did.
- why3th, on 06/20/2008, -2/+6Political stunt or not, he did it. Took at least some humility to publicly apologize to what one assumes to be a fairly small minority in the United States.
- jazzmann04, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7I'll agree with you that it was a political move. In fact, he kinda had to apoligize to these women. But do you actually think that he apologized SOLELY for political gain? Seriously. Do you think that he's so heartless (and/or anal) that he actually cares who sits where during his events?
And by the way, this did horribly for his image because whether or not there was an apology, damage like this can never be truly undone, since I'm sure this'll be brought up again in October.- sconnor, on 06/22/2008, -0/+0YES!!
- notanidiot, on 06/20/2008, -8/+3If I were an intelligent volunteer for Obama, I would have stopped these women from sitting behind him too. They speak of it as their right. Wha?!! I don't remember anything in the Constitution guaranteeing us the right to sit behind a presidential candidate, and if they were allowed to sit there, Fox news and several other organizations would have taken that clip and blown it out of proportion like everything else.
Since when are Muslim women so concerned about their "rights?"- suppazone, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3At "notanidiot" ...You ARE an idiot - by doing that you let Fox news set the agenda one again. They are not, I repeat, they are not to decide the course of this election. By showing fear of what they might say you let them control the whole process.
Sincerely - a concerned Dane/world citizen - notanidiot, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Don't be so quick to call one an idiot. Those women have no inherent right to sit there, they are lucky to be there at all! People who will show up on TV are always chosen strategically, and I personally see no reason to put not just one, but two Muslim women (a disproportionally large number) on TV right behind Obama, when its quite possible they may be paid by antiObama groups to sit there for smearfodder.
- suppazone, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3At "notanidiot" ...You ARE an idiot - by doing that you let Fox news set the agenda one again. They are not, I repeat, they are not to decide the course of this election. By showing fear of what they might say you let them control the whole process.
- gungaroo22, on 06/20/2008, -7/+3Seconded. See how well it's done for his image here on Digg? You can't buy this kind of good publicity - you have to create it like he did.
- banido, on 06/20/2008, -9/+16It doesn't change the fact that Obama's staff acted like bigots, does it? If it was with another candidate would you still call it a "class act"? I wonder...
- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7A volunteer, probably trying to do the right thing by shielding Obama from more racist associative crap in the media ("Barack HUSSEIN Obama"; "terrorist fist jab", etc), acts like a dick him/herself and personally insults two of Obama's supporters who went through the trouble of coming out to support the nominee. Obama steps up and offers his apologies for the treatment, even though he didn't have anything to do with it. He admits that it was a mistake and asks for forgiveness, you know, like an apology is intended to do. So, no, nothing was changed but I'm not sure what more you are expecting, unless you think that Obama should haul the volunteer responsible out on stage and put two in the back of the head on national TV.
I get that you don't understand what diplomacy looks like, since we haven't had any real diplomacy in our government for years, but that's how it is done. Take notes.- Dysarthria, on 06/21/2008, -1/+4That's a lot of assumptions.
It was no volunteer, this was the paid staff - and they apologized only after it broke on the news. - darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -2/+1@ Dysarthia: actually, it was a volunteer. And even if it was paid staff, they did so without the knowledge of Obama, and when he heard of it, he made not only his volunteers apologize, but he personally called the women and apologized to them.
and about him apologizing after it broke on the news: how the hell else would he have honestly found out about it. It's obvious that, despite the fact that the volunteer thought it was best for Obama, that person did not bring it up to anyone because they were either afraid of the consequences or they didn't think it was that big of a deal. The women didn;t go to Obama first, they went right to the media. As soon as he found out about it, he acted.
- Dysarthria, on 06/21/2008, -1/+4That's a lot of assumptions.
- notanidiot, on 06/20/2008, -5/+2If I were an intelligent volunteer for Obama, I would have stopped these women from sitting behind him too. They speak of it as their right. Wha?!! I don't remember anything in the Constitution guaranteeing us the right to sit behind a presidential candidate, and if they were allowed to sit there, Fox news and several other organizations would have taken that clip and blown it out of proportion like everything else.
Since when are Muslim women so concerned about their "rights?"- suppazone, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2At "notanidiot" ...You ARE an idiot - by doing that you let Fox news set the agenda one again. They are not, I repeat, they are not to decide the course of this election. By showing fear of what they might say you let them control the whole process.
Sincerely - a concerned Dane/world citizen - notanidiot, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1I would just rather the discussion be about issues, not about Obama's muslim connection. Its not that hard to understand. And its funny, I don't know how many idiots get 32s on their ACTs (top of the top 1 percentile)
- suppazone, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2At "notanidiot" ...You ARE an idiot - by doing that you let Fox news set the agenda one again. They are not, I repeat, they are not to decide the course of this election. By showing fear of what they might say you let them control the whole process.
- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7A volunteer, probably trying to do the right thing by shielding Obama from more racist associative crap in the media ("Barack HUSSEIN Obama"; "terrorist fist jab", etc), acts like a dick him/herself and personally insults two of Obama's supporters who went through the trouble of coming out to support the nominee. Obama steps up and offers his apologies for the treatment, even though he didn't have anything to do with it. He admits that it was a mistake and asks for forgiveness, you know, like an apology is intended to do. So, no, nothing was changed but I'm not sure what more you are expecting, unless you think that Obama should haul the volunteer responsible out on stage and put two in the back of the head on national TV.
- keithb1984, on 06/20/2008, -18/+9COULD YOU SWING ANY HARDER FROM OBAMA'S D!CK?!?!?
- mummbleswers, on 06/20/2008, -5/+3Could you hate any harder? You need to stop drinkin' that haterade fool! It's not Obama's fault - you're mad at your father!
- dystra, on 06/20/2008, -3/+10still would like someone to explain to us why this makes him a "class act". Does the simple act of "apologizing" to someone make you one, because there's been plenty of that in the media over the past year or so, and i wouldn't call all of them "class acts".
- sublingo, on 06/20/2008, -4/+7Accepting blame and apologizing for the actions of someone working under you is classy. Better yet, it's good management. The fact that they were just street-level unpaid volunteers and he still took responsibility makes him a class act.
To help define through contrast - Rumsfeld and Abu Ghraib. - Dysarthria, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1You're right - its great to accept blame for bigotry, another to only do so after its in the news.
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1see above asshat.
- sublingo, on 06/20/2008, -4/+7Accepting blame and apologizing for the actions of someone working under you is classy. Better yet, it's good management. The fact that they were just street-level unpaid volunteers and he still took responsibility makes him a class act.
- k4f123, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3classier than the current president, or his opponent in this race.
- Stormwern, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2I could see mccain do this tbh. He's a good guy, just wouldn't make a very good president.
- SteveLRowe, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2A little research on the ladies in question
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/mu ...- hempydave, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Muslim Grievance Theater: Hijab Women Dissed @ Obama Rally Are Muslim Terror Front-Group Activists, Top Islamic Proselytizer
Terry wrists?
- hempydave, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Muslim Grievance Theater: Hijab Women Dissed @ Obama Rally Are Muslim Terror Front-Group Activists, Top Islamic Proselytizer
- doople, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I can't decide which I admire in Obama more, the thing he does right, or how he handles thing done wrong.
- ferkranus, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2While I don't agree with what happened - it's clear that it had nothing to do with racism. Most likely, his volunteers are aware of the idiots out there who actually still believe Obama is Muslim. Next thing you know, these women's mere presence is "proof" that Obama is in fact, Muslim.
I can see the John Stewart news montage of the even more idiotic newscasters now... - Dysarthria, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2Of course, it would have been classier not to discriminate agaist them in the first place.
- webguy52, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1This is so awesome to apologize to two radicals. Yay Obama!!!
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/mu ...
- ThickGreenPuke, on 06/20/2008, -3/+14So will they(muslim women) appear standing next to him on stage in the next conference? I think they should.
- alapoet, on 06/20/2008, -38/+107Well done.
- divrekku, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7I wanna believe in him as a decent human being so badly it hurts. But I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop with him for over a year now.
Am I just too cynical or is he actually going to do something positive for our country?- aaabatteries, on 06/20/2008, -10/+10Well, if you look into his policies and really dig into all he stands for--
Oh wait... - robertl30, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Ultimately, he's only human. A great human, but mistakes will be made. I judge more based on how errors are corrected. After all, it wasn't like he caused this directly, but a volunteer on his staff.
- aaabatteries, on 06/20/2008, -10/+10Well, if you look into his policies and really dig into all he stands for--
- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -9/+15He is covering his ass because this became a news story. Typical Politician move! There is no change, just a different version of the same ole politics.
- kevinzak21, on 06/20/2008, -5/+11Man, they really can't win, can they? If he hadn't done this, you would be saying, "He supports this kind of behavior! What a politician!" He tries to make it right, you say, "He's covering his ass! What a politician!" Not everyone's outlook on life is as cynical as yours. Go crawl in a hole and stop depressing everyone around you.
- NoStoppingUs, on 06/20/2008, -9/+6I think it's more about the response from his supporters more than the candidate himself. That's what truly worries me. Barack Hussein Obama can do no wrong in your book. Look at how Republicans treat McCain. We are able to criticize him left and right, but look at how democRATS treat Barack Hussein Obama - like the second coming of Christ.
At one point, I truly wanted Obama to win. But his supporters are the ones that showed me the light. Thank you. =)
And Rev. Wright WAS right. B. Hussein Obama is just a politician. Nothing more, nothing less. This is coming from a guy who knew Obama for 20+ years.
Scary.. - LordVance, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Don't be ignorant and lump all republicans into one behavioral pattern, and all democrats into another, "NoStoppingUs." You know DAMN well that there are plenty of Republicans who blindly back every single thing their major candidate says and does - and plenty of Democrats who do NOT do that... It is an individual's behavior - not a groups - that dictates that sort of behavior; both sides are plenty guilty for it.
Personally, I'm neither a democrat nor a republican - I support who I like best at the time. Currently, that is Obama - so I have been supporting him. What do I think about this whole chain of events? It was messed up on the part of his volunteer staff - but can you honestly NOT understand why they did it? I think he should have made a more public apology about the ordeal - but this is certainly nothing to get your panties in a not over.
Would I rather support a candidate who's volunteers do something like this for, most likely, ALL the right reasons? Or would I rather support a candidate who shares only a name with the man he was 8 years ago. Obama sure as hell isn't perfect, but hes an excellent politician and McCain is a hack - easy to see where my support is going in November. - mark925, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3@kevinzak: That's exactly it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If he hadn't apologized all these idiots here saying "it's a political move" would start conspiracy theories that would probably flood over into the MSM that we would hear constantly for weeks.
How can people not see that he's holding himself accountable for what happened?? Is that too much out of a politician to have honesty for christsake?
I swear some of you were probably dropped on your head at birth. - chukd, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1It was a political move for them to tell the supporters not so sit there. The rumor was out there about him being a secret Muslim. By not including them, it was a political move so it didn't give the people reason to believe he was a Muslim. However, he is about, at least in his words, a new form of politics. He is going to include everyone, bring people from the right to help him pass an agenda to make America better. What he did by not including these two supporters is undermine his message of inclusion. He had to apologize for the political reasons just like his campaign didn't want them there. He is a politician, all his moves are political in nature. They are calculated so he can gain the position of power.
- NoStoppingUs, on 06/20/2008, -9/+6I think it's more about the response from his supporters more than the candidate himself. That's what truly worries me. Barack Hussein Obama can do no wrong in your book. Look at how Republicans treat McCain. We are able to criticize him left and right, but look at how democRATS treat Barack Hussein Obama - like the second coming of Christ.
- podobuzz, on 06/20/2008, -1/+8Bah.
Had they sat behind him initially, it would have been used against him. "Look! Obama loves them Muslims!!!"
Had they been asked to leave, it would have been used against him. "Look! Obama won't let Muslims anywhere near him!"
If he apologized after the fact, it would have been used against him. "Look! He's just making a political maneuver! This is same old, same old!"
If he didn't apologize after the fact, it would have been used against him. "Look! He's just ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away! Typical liberal!"
Truthfully, I don't really care about Obama either way. It would be the same if it were McCain. No matter what anybody does, one side will go positive, the other negative.
Politics are so predictable.
- kevinzak21, on 06/20/2008, -5/+11Man, they really can't win, can they? If he hadn't done this, you would be saying, "He supports this kind of behavior! What a politician!" He tries to make it right, you say, "He's covering his ass! What a politician!" Not everyone's outlook on life is as cynical as yours. Go crawl in a hole and stop depressing everyone around you.
- ICSU, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7*****.
Scarves are symbol of women's oppression by medieval religious dogma.- sublingo, on 06/20/2008, -3/+6And all women wearing it are being forced to do so by their husbands? What about nuns? Who's forcing them? The swift back hand of Jesus? Come on.
Some women choose coverage as a means to force others to respect them for their own brain, not their physical attributes. To each her own.
Does that mean oppression doesn't exist? No of course not, it does. But to assume the argument is as black and white as what you say is terrible presumptive and ignorant.- allisonaxe, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5the men wrote the books of their faith, and also lead the faith. the books say "do this, as it is what you are supposed to do, or you don't get into heaven." so in effect, yes, men *are* forcing them.
- hempydave, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Read the book of Ruth in the Bible.
- sublingo, on 06/20/2008, -3/+6And all women wearing it are being forced to do so by their husbands? What about nuns? Who's forcing them? The swift back hand of Jesus? Come on.
- Alegoo92, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2I totally agree! Fabulous publicity stunt!
- divrekku, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7I wanna believe in him as a decent human being so badly it hurts. But I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop with him for over a year now.
- dinot, on 06/20/2008, -38/+112Class and civility all around.
- fuze44, on 06/20/2008, -11/+18Mere political pandering. Every politician knows that you do what you want and apologize afterwards. Obama was the one that approved a policy of separating himself from the Muslim image in the first place.
- WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -8/+8Um, not quite. As other people have pointed out, and which you've apparently ignored, is the fact that most politicians do what they want... and then DON'T apologize.
And as for separating himself from the "Muslim image in the first place"... well, he kinda had to, didn't he? Look at how many people *still* think he's secretly a Muslim just itchin' to blow up the White House.- NoStoppingUs, on 06/20/2008, -5/+2what proof is there that he isnt? theres tons of proof that he's truly a Muslim, yet the only thing I've seen is the fact that he attends a Christian church that hates America..
hmmmm
say it with me: ALLAHU AKBAR - WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Man, you really don't have any good arguments, do you?
"He might secretly be a Muslim!"
Yeah, John McCain might secretly be a Manchurian Candidate. Hell, YOU might be a terrorist. If you deny it, it's just because you know it's true.
"A church that hates America".
:rolleyes: - darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1@ NoStoppingUs: where's the "proof" he's a muslim? It's all unfounded rumors. The was sworn in on his family Bible (of which there is video), he holds his hand over his chest when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance (of which there is video), he grew up in KANSAS (which is one of the most conservative areas of the country). So tell me, what is you proof? Other than, of course, his middle name and his father's nationality (which Obama had absolutely no control over).
- NoStoppingUs, on 06/20/2008, -5/+2what proof is there that he isnt? theres tons of proof that he's truly a Muslim, yet the only thing I've seen is the fact that he attends a Christian church that hates America..
- cdahlkvist, on 06/20/2008, -5/+5At least you get it.
This was a bait and switch and I am sure Obama (and any other candidate) knows full well that they can claim "the aides did it not me" and apologize and get away with it.- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1So how is Scooter Libby doing anyhow. Oh, that's right... You see, there is a difference.
- dinot, on 06/20/2008, -3/+3When you have 75,000 paid people working for you around the country and much more volunteers, you try reporting every single stupid ***** thing they decide to do. I'm sure he has other things on his mind besides telling his volunteers to shun two Muslim women.
The fact of the matter is that no matter what Obama does, you'll find an excuse to blame him for something. And before you accuse me of being an "Obama-bot", see my post: http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_s_Voluntee ...- cdahlkvist, on 06/22/2008, -0/+2Interesting. Wrong, but interesting.
I actually like Obama. I think he would make a great spokesman for the country.
I will not vote for him because he has no experience and has done nothing but hype us up for the "New and Improved" United States "Now with 30% more". He hasn't actually discussed his plans, his experience or anything other than value.
He is a great speaker but he has no experience and no visible path to what he wants to do.
Do I find an excuse to blame him? Other than those two points (no experience, no plan) I don't.
If you had read the full comment I made you would see that I didn't just say Obama. I clearly stated this is politics in general, no matter who the delegate is.
Of course you are so hardcore Obama (you've been brainwashed by his excellent speeches) that you automatically assume anyone speaking the truth is "out to get Obama".
- cdahlkvist, on 06/22/2008, -0/+2Interesting. Wrong, but interesting.
- WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -8/+8Um, not quite. As other people have pointed out, and which you've apparently ignored, is the fact that most politicians do what they want... and then DON'T apologize.
- hittnrun, on 06/20/2008, -3/+3Well, except for the part about shooing the Muslims away from the cameras to keep a photo from being taken that might be used against him. I hope tons of Muslims show up at his rallys now so we can get plenty of shots of him with his peeps.
What will his excuse be for running them off the next time? You can bet whatever it is, you obamabots will be right there slobbering all over his cqck.
- fuze44, on 06/20/2008, -11/+18Mere political pandering. Every politician knows that you do what you want and apologize afterwards. Obama was the one that approved a policy of separating himself from the Muslim image in the first place.
- PoliticalMan922, on 06/20/2008, -35/+89It's nice to see that it still exists, huh?
- Rahodeb, on 06/20/2008, -9/+11racism?
- samoan27, on 06/20/2008, -2/+11I take it you haven't watched McCain ever. There's been 3 instances I've seen this year where McCain took full responsibility for the improper actions of his volunteers and staff then frankly apologized. Politics aside, it's good to see BOTH candidates are men of integrity.
- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1I am glad that McCain is making an effort to locate the problems within his staff although it does seem sometimes that he just can't get on top of the situation. I don't know enough about his staff to venture a guess so he could be good to go now. I only hope that he didn't go the route of Bush and hire the political equivalent of the Mafia since the only way to clean up that administration is with a tac-nuke.
- LLamaStar, on 06/21/2008, -2/+3what about calling his wife a *****?
- Wagnerian, on 06/20/2008, -35/+94Nice apology and nice ladies. I'm glad Obama is willing to be accountable.
- yuanzhoulu, on 06/20/2008, -28/+3yes, now go impeach him for it. just like you did to hillary just because she said the word "assasination"
- swicken, on 06/21/2008, -0/+3Annnnnnd you make no sense.
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1you should probably look up the meaning of the word "impeach". Here, I did it for you:
im·peach - to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal of misconduct in office.
Now that you've done a little bit of research, try again.
- webguy52, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1They're awesome ladies. Yay Obama!!!
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/mu ... - dlite922, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1...ahem...unlike the past few presidents we have...
wait....who was the last president that took responsibility for his own actions? Lincoln? Jefferson?
- yuanzhoulu, on 06/20/2008, -28/+3yes, now go impeach him for it. just like you did to hillary just because she said the word "assasination"
- westbay1, on 06/20/2008, -33/+13Obviously... the way old right-wing neo conservative white men do things is better! That is evident by the last 8-years of Bush politics in the United States.
- flashback99, on 06/20/2008, -4/+1***** neotard.
- freshyill, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8I think everybody missed your sarcasm.
- ghostoftomjoad, on 06/21/2008, -0/+4holy ***** are diggers so retarded they can't tell ur kidding?
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -41/+137It's really quite fascinating. Objective people would see this as Obama covering his butt after a really embarrassing incident involving stark bigotry. Imagine if the same incident happened in McCain's camp. There wouldn't be enough bandwidth on Digg to keep up with the comments bashing him. But here, Obama writes a letter of apology, and he's an unsung hero. Just an observation.
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -23/+18I apologize. My mistake. All he did was call them. He didn't even write them -- but that gets him onto the NYT blog site.
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -3/+34Most people don't write letters, they have premade formats or interns write them.
Calling takes more effort than stamping a signature on a word document.- Rahodeb, on 06/20/2008, -4/+4Wow, what a hero!
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Yeah. I don't think any candidate has a prepared format letter to apologize for biggoted actions against supporters based on their ethnic and religious background. And, if he'd had an intern write a letter, that would speak worlds about his character. A hand-written letter (people really still do that, you know) would not only have taken more time, but made more of a permanent statement about his feelings on the record.
So, in short, I disagree.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1The problem is that most politicians nowadays would've denied it and tried to distance themselves from it. They do that with any scandal nowadays really, say, like an alleged affair with an aide.
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -3/+34Most people don't write letters, they have premade formats or interns write them.
- shawn1122, on 06/20/2008, -6/+38I agree. If this were McCain, everyone here would be saying "He damn well better have apologized."
That being said, a spokesperson for Obama had already apologized and I'm very happy to see that he has apologized personally to them. I thought that it was something that he needed to do, and judging by the kind of guy he is, I knew that he would eventually. I don't know if McCain would take that extra step to apologize personally, though I can't say that he wouldn't. It's just more of a sure thing with Obama.- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -4/+18Agreed. I'm not against Obama. I just really dislike subjective news (I use the term loosely) like this being made popular all the time on Digg.
- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3That's sort of the point of social media. It reflects the views of its participants. Otherwise it would be called mainstream news and reflect only the views of its owners.
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -4/+18Agreed. I'm not against Obama. I just really dislike subjective news (I use the term loosely) like this being made popular all the time on Digg.
- fbeecher, on 06/20/2008, -15/+38If the same or similar thing happened with McCain and he handled it in the same way as Obama handled his situation, I'm sure you'd get similar comments of "Well done" and "Class and civility all around," etc. I'll admit to being an Obama fanboy, but if McCain did this, I would definitely praise him for it. I expect many other Obama supporters would feel the same way. His insistence on civility and cooperation is a HUGE part of his draw.
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -8/+3Comments anyone?
- thh204, on 06/20/2008, -5/+19I definitely do not agree. Most Digbamans would look past the apology and continue to call McCain a bigot and a racist.
/sigh- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1actually, the main reason I am for Obama is because of his class. He is the kind of man who I can respect. He takes responsibility for the actions of those under him, he corrects his mistakes instead of ignoring them, and he listens to others and genuinely considers what they have to say (instead of just surrounding himself with "yes-men" who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear). If McCain did things like this, I'd have a little more respect for him. Instead, he changes his mind on issues when it's politically convenient and he calls his wife a *****. No thanks.
- chukd, on 06/20/2008, -5/+13I throw the ***** flag. 99% of the Obama supporters would be talking about this until November 4th. Just like McCain supporters will. Same old politics.
- vault, on 06/20/2008, -1/+8Oh please...Huffpo would be all over this, as would Kos, and you fanboys would be saying it's typical of the right and McCain's apology is nothing more than a coverup.
- Tenlow, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2I agree, if McCain did this the same way, I'd get a little respect for the senile old man. The fact is he wouldn't, at least not until it got blown up by the media. One of Obama's great strengths has been that he doesn't wait for something to get blown way out of proportion before he addresses the issue. Minus the whole reverend Wright thing, but I honestly don't see why that was an issue in the first place.
- SuperVepr308, on 06/20/2008, -13/+13Well, golly. What else would a sainted, Christ-child do but call and say, "sorry"?
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -13/+23Objective people DO see this as Obama covering his butt after a really embarrassing incident involving stark bigotry.
Does it change the fact that it was a nice gesture? Speculating about what would happen if it was McCain is not even remotely objective.- trixterIreland, on 06/20/2008, -10/+3and its comments like that which get you dugg down, no bias here, none at all.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5Yes, I give my opinion on the basis of the potential Digg they will get. It seems to work so well for you.
Also, bias? where? Because I see what he did as a nice gesture? please tell me, oh master of how Digg work, how could I have made that unbiased? By saying how it was just Obama covering his butt? oh wait... Thats exactly what I said.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5Yes, I give my opinion on the basis of the potential Digg they will get. It seems to work so well for you.
- ryesmall, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4It is objective to see a articles being promoted that praise Obama and a crowd following that reiterates the same message without regard to Obama's pragmatism all of a sudden become super pragmatic and dog on McCain.
Yes, you are super-fanboy or apologist extraordinaire!
- trixterIreland, on 06/20/2008, -10/+3and its comments like that which get you dugg down, no bias here, none at all.
- bjs3171, on 06/20/2008, -10/+4obviously he's covering his butt, but can you really see McCain taking the time to phone each person individually? if anything, he'd have his speech writer type up a generic apology letter, and McCain would STAMP his signature on it.
- pintomp3, on 06/20/2008, -13/+7mccain has muslim supporters? he hardly has women supporters. i doubt the mccain campaign will be confronted with this dilemma.
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4It's true. Why would any Muslim supporta blood-thirsty neocon *****, who wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth, for his Zionist buddies?
- paigeinphilly, on 06/20/2008, -9/+4and a poor one at that...
Recieving a direct, personal PHONE call...makes a stronger statement than just sending a letter (as you so incorrectly pointed out) That in itself changes the perception and impact of the gesture..
so uh...take some time and actually read something before you make an "observation".
;o)
Obama/Webb 08
PS...and um..NO I cant see McCain taking the more personal approach.... - wex98x, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4Obama is smart and knows the media will eat this stuff up as they are already setting him up to be the next president. I think whether or not he is covering his butt is irrelevant because any good deed he does will get plastered all over the news and he will be praised for being a revolutionary.
I do think it was a good move on Obama to speak against racial discrimination. Being a voice of equality is something the next president must address as there is still much racism and sexism in America today. As far as other issues go only time will tell if he can hold up to the pressures of office as big business comes knocking on his door.
As far as McCain is concerned, there is skepticism from the general pop about the Republican camp, probably rightly deserved, but if you're going to be objective, let's just call what Obama did for what it is...politics.- timsline, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Digg is far from objective. Everyone here is anonymous, and everyone's motive is in question. It's about as fair and balanced as FOX News.
- wex98x, on 06/20/2008, -0/+0touché...agreed. I guess I'm trying to be the minority here.
- timsline, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Digg is far from objective. Everyone here is anonymous, and everyone's motive is in question. It's about as fair and balanced as FOX News.
- apextek, on 06/20/2008, -5/+2I see your point but still think Obama's the man
- dstz, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2"Objective people would see this as Obama covering his butt after a really embarrassing incident involving stark bigotry"
And a cynical would see this as a ready-made "embarrassing" "incident" from the start. - starkruzr, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1If it were McCain, he wouldn't have apologized. He would have dodged it.
If he HAD apologized, I would have both been shocked and demanded that my fellow liberals cut him a break. But that wouldn't have happened. - noface28, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3I find your take on the situation both fascinating and maddening.
Obama didn't tell the women to move. Two misguided volunteers did. But when the story broke (which, I have to point out, was probably the first time Obama even heard about the incident) he took *personal responsibility* by apologizing directly to them.
He wasn't just covering HIS ass, he was also covering the asses of the people who work for and represent him. And that, to me, is just another testament to the man's incredible leadership abilities.
Where does the buck stop? It stop's right there, people. Right there. - doople, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1We've had a president and many politicians over the past 8 years who would not offer this apology. Often, there are excuses. The thing I like about Obama, and the thing I think generates alot of this hype, is that Obama doesn't make excuses for his mistakes. He outright said this was unacceptable, he contacted the people rather than issuing a statement. Sure, he is covering his butt. But he's doing so by admitting mistakes. He's not trying to justify his or the actions of his campaign.
- SwedishNinja, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3That's because McCain isn't the Hero of the Internet and the Black Jesus.
- rawheadrex, on 06/21/2008, -1/+2You really have to take in the past histories of these two people. This feels right because it's believable that Obama would do this in a sincere fashion. That is how he has built up his image through his career, both before and after entering politics. Whether it's 100% accurate or not, nobody will know, as none of us can look inside his head.
On the other hand, if McCain had done something like this, many would feel it's not quite as believable. That's his image. If Hillary had done something like this, we'd all think she was lying through her teeth. She really built up that image.
So is there bias playing a role here? Sure. But are those candidates also responsible, in a big way, for those biases to have formed? Absolutely.- ghostoftomjoad, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1Maybe because Obama is black and had a muslim step father makes it easier to believe? Because to the rest of us its clear that this is sincere. Don't be a dumbass
- mcomfort, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1I think it'd be basically the same, only everyone would be tacking on disclaimers like "I'm no big fan of McCain, but..."
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -23/+18I apologize. My mistake. All he did was call them. He didn't even write them -- but that gets him onto the NYT blog site.
- borez, on 06/20/2008, -35/+94Can somebody please tell me why (on Digg) does any anti-Obama story ( not this one obviously ) never quite make it to the front page? The story about his NAFTA turn-around the other day was shocking...yet it disappeared like Houdini on steroids?
FTR: I'm neither pro, or ant-Obama, the guy has no view point on scrapping the federal reserve, so as far as I'm concerned, he's: A. just another puppet, B. has no balls or C. he's completely naive ( which is highly unlikely )
Digg me down, but... do it with a reasonable point of view please, coz this comment is meant to spark debate... not hatred.- hotlatte, on 06/20/2008, -14/+10Not to oversimplify things, but it's because this group owns the site and any political fodder made popular on it: http://www.chrisfinke.com/digg/topusers.html
- ssn697, on 06/20/2008, -2/+44According to your account, you were here on Digg last August-December.
How many negative Ron Paul stories made front page, when he was the Digg darling? Same thing, just in a much larger scope now.
The two couldn't be much further apart ideologically, but this is Digg. Digg Darlings happen all the time.- borez, on 06/20/2008, -7/+1"According to your account, you were here on Digg last August-December."
Was that aimed at me, or hotlatte??- ssn697, on 06/20/2008, -1/+12That was for you re: why don't anti-Obama stories make front page
see: Ron Paul during his Digg heyday...
Same story, different candidate. It is Obama's turn on Digg to have diggers not allow any questions that don't show Obama in a positive light to become popular.
It is analogous to the Ron Paul "you hate freedom" of 9 months ago, whenever anyone posted anything that questioned his policies. - borez, on 06/20/2008, -7/+2Interesting point mate. I'd love to see what would happen to digg if Google ever bought it?
FTR: Google is a member of CFR . - onetimer, on 06/20/2008, -1/+10CFR? isn't that the think-tank group that has its meetings broadcast on C-SPAN?
- borez, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1Yes and...no
- ssn697, on 06/20/2008, -1/+12That was for you re: why don't anti-Obama stories make front page
- borez, on 06/20/2008, -7/+1"According to your account, you were here on Digg last August-December."
- hamobu, on 06/20/2008, -9/+21Seems to me that things have been turning against Obama on digg. Three reasons for that:
1. AIPAC kiss fest
2. NAFTA flip-flop
3. Public financing flip-flop.
I think most people on digg will quickly turn on anyone who is obviously BS-ing, and Obama is doing just that since he locked in nomination.- bruce86, on 06/20/2008, -2/+15Don't forget his TERRORIST FIST BUMP
- hamobu, on 06/20/2008, -1/+16Terrorist fist bump is now the biggest concern in our society since communist high-five went out of fashion.
- Dimbleby, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1Public financing flip-flop? If you'll recall, a few days ago he denounced public financing, just like he said he would.
I cannot say anything about those other 2 issues since I don't know anything about them.
- bruce86, on 06/20/2008, -2/+15Don't forget his TERRORIST FIST BUMP
- fuzzmeister, on 06/20/2008, -3/+4A previous article about this same incident, before Obama had reached out and apologized, hit the front page the other day. So, Digg isn't completely adverse to airing negative press.
- zombies187, on 06/20/2008, -1/+9Wait till he wins. There will be piles of anti Obama stories.
- apextek, on 06/20/2008, -1/+9MSM already has enough time pointing out Obama's faults, and painting McCain as a saint. People are looking for the untold story here. if I wanted to hear him being criticized over his priest, his religion, what his wife said or his name sounding like a terrorist Id go to fox news or some other mainstream outlet.
- notanidiot, on 06/20/2008, -6/+10Because AntiObama stories are redneck *****, and Diggers don't like that kind of thing.
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4So not liking Obama makes one a redneck?
Wow, good to know.- notanidiot, on 06/20/2008, -1/+6No, but its hard to write a story off of not liking someone. AntiObama stories are filled with desperate attempts at attacks on Obama, based on ridiculous sources, and being that they are so stupid, I called them "redneck." Forgive me, I should have said "retarded."
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 06/21/2008, -0/+4I don't think he necessarily meant someone ranting against Obama (and believe it or not, you can not like the guy without being a redneck), but any story that makes Obama look bad. How many negative stories on McCain have there been versus negative Obama/Ron Paul stories?
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4So not liking Obama makes one a redneck?
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -5/+3I saw like three anti-Obama hit pieces hit the FP in the past two days alone. Stop whining.
- maxgoedjen, on 06/20/2008, -7/+1Pretty much any Obama news that makes it's way to digg is along the lines of "OMG HE'S A MUSLIM DON'T VOTE FOR HIM."
No. - tjrecord, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7Just as there are ignorant conservatives that wont hear a word that strays anywhere away from the extreme right, there are ignorant liberals who refuse to acknowledge anything negative that may be associated with Obama. It's unfortunate that Digg seems to be full of such "sheep" who aren't willing to listen to all the news stories.
I'm an Obama supporter, but it's not because I am blindly following whoever is the Democratic nominee. - meeko81, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1I don't know what causes a story to be placed at the front of the line on digg. Pbly participation....but I don't know. Definitley worth checking in to. I will say though that I am an Obama fan and generally digg on the stories relating to him...bad or good.
- culbeda, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1I'm sure that in your view that we should deregulate everything and let the free market will out. Well we've seen how well that worked for the price of oil and gas.
- smitty7789, on 06/21/2008, -0/+0Are you kidding me? You are telling me that government has not interfered at all with the price of gas or oil in general?
How about government refusing oil companies the ability to drill for oil where they see fit in the United States? How about not allowing oil companies to build new refineries in 30 years?
How about providing dictators in Saudi Arabia and other locations across the world money and making deals?
How about invading foreign countries thus pissing off the people that actaully control the oil?
Consider these examples and more and then you can honestly say the free market has been given a chance?
- smitty7789, on 06/21/2008, -0/+0Are you kidding me? You are telling me that government has not interfered at all with the price of gas or oil in general?
- fiveness, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Personally, I'm so convinced of his judgment and ability to navigate nuanced issues that I'm willing to give him a fair amount of wiggle room in what he chooses to run on in his campaign. I want the blue team to win this time and if it takes a little Machiavellian cunning to get to the office, I'm not going to be too upset. I think his ethical standards are in tact and that he may well reverse some of these positions once he has the office. Not perfect, but tolerable, and highly preferable to the opponent.
- sconnor, on 06/22/2008, -0/+0Here's a hand up borez...your observations alone are a comfort!
- ryanparke, on 06/20/2008, -17/+37Maybe it's because more people like Obama, just a thought.
- Dibou, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5The phrase is not 'like'. It is more "slavishly idolize". Or "blindly follow".
- notanidiot, on 06/20/2008, -2/+6Or maybe it's called, "have an intelligent opinion about the only remaining candidate who isn't senile and retarded."
- Dibou, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2You are not very good with words.
You need to look up what senile means. For a good reference on 'retarded' though you just have to scroll up to the first few comments posted on this page.
To top it all off, your choice of these words, "only remaining candidate" is inferring that there is just Obama and McCain left, which is far from the truth. - aptanalogy, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1He said "only remaining candidate WHO ISN'T SENILE AND RETARDED." There are several other candidates, obviously. Maybe he just meant that only one of the several isn't senile and retarded? Or, perhaps more likely, he meant to say "out of the remaining candidates who have any chance of getting elected, the one that isn't senile and retarded".
- Dibou, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2You are not very good with words.
- notanidiot, on 06/20/2008, -2/+6Or maybe it's called, "have an intelligent opinion about the only remaining candidate who isn't senile and retarded."
- rtl924, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Or most of the respondents had a double shot of Kool-Aid today. Just an idea.
- aptanalogy, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1You mean grape drink.
- Dibou, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5The phrase is not 'like'. It is more "slavishly idolize". Or "blindly follow".
- pjpark, on 06/20/2008, -42/+75Yes, I can see McCain doing this. There is nothing super-human or extraordinary about having manners as good as a five-year-old's. The only difference is, a five-year-old would not release a statement to the press congratulating himself for apologizing.
Let's give Obama a big lollipop as a reward for his good behavior.- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -11/+6Look at our president.
*sigh* - kooft, on 06/20/2008, -20/+14"Yes, I can see McCain doing this."
Unless then were Indonesian Muslims, in that case McCain would have called them... ...gooks.- asianautica, on 06/20/2008, -5/+16If you're gonna use derogatory name for a group of people, at least get the group of people right.
- Rsulliv1, on 06/20/2008, -3/+4I think that's the point kooft is making.. McCain has proven time and time again that he can't tell what people are from where, nor what they believe...
- kooft, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2First off, It's not my term, it's McCain's term, secondly 'gook' refers to Asians and I'm fairly certain that Indonesians are considered Asians.
- bloosteak, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1gooks actually refers to koreans and koreans only.
- dgaspard, on 06/20/2008, -5/+7If i was tortured by a group of people for years. I'd have a few names to call them to. I'm not gonna mad at the guy for that one.
- kooft, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4Yeah, but you're not running for the presidency of the US. As a 'leader of the free world' you have to be diplomatic and put your issues in your past behind you. Running around slandering half the world's population doesn't lay the best foundation for a sound foreign policy.
- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1What group of people? Concentration camp guards? NVA? Vietnamese? Asians? Slightly tinted people? Where do we draw the line as to when our president can or cannot be openly racist?
I honestly want to know, just in case I decide to run some day. ;)
- mplumb, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1You've got that right, buddy! Everyone knows that McCain can't stop uttering racial slurs. That's his big weakness.
- asianautica, on 06/20/2008, -5/+16If you're gonna use derogatory name for a group of people, at least get the group of people right.
- whiterice0, on 06/20/2008, -12/+2Oh, SNAP!
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -10/+2Yes and then if there wasn't any press release, you crazies would accuse him to trying to fix things behind closed doors, of not coming clean with America, asking if we really wanted a President that doesn't fully disclose his actions and waaa waaa waaa
There is no way to win with the likes of you, and he did the best he could with a difficult situation. This might be seen as self glorification by people like you, but it's seen as being able to peacefully resolve a conflict by reasonable people.- verdouxkai, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1word.
- bjs3171, on 06/20/2008, -0/+20HOLD ON. You have lollipops?
- SSCrow, on 06/20/2008, -7/+4A 5 Year old, really?
I don't think a 5 year old would understand the complexity of why those women were not allowed to be behind Obama, let alone realize the proper course of action to reconcile the situation with a sincere apology.
You would be surprised how rude and ignorant people are. You should downplay his actions merely because you think it should have been expected, Nor should you use this article as some sort of media ploy.- pjpark, on 06/20/2008, -0/+31. I think you are under-estimating five-year-olds and over-estimating the complexity. They were taken away because someone thought it would be embarrising for them to be seen with him. Little kids can understand that well enough.
2. You are correct in that a 5-year-old might require some prompting to know what to do. But I am cynical enough to doubt that Obama acted in this situation without consulting his advisors. In fact, if that press release was Obama's idea and not one of his advisors', I would only think less of him.
3. You would be surprised at how polite and well-mannered people are. Regardless, praising an adult for the least bit of civility is either patronizing or fawning - either of which I find annoying.
- pjpark, on 06/20/2008, -0/+31. I think you are under-estimating five-year-olds and over-estimating the complexity. They were taken away because someone thought it would be embarrising for them to be seen with him. Little kids can understand that well enough.
- spoons10, on 06/20/2008, -5/+3Right and one could see McCain voting yes to extending the benefits of our veterans, but he voted NO. Now how can a POW and war veteran vote no to this!?!
After 8 years of political ***** and war mongering it is time for a change, and McCain will not bring that to us...rather he will continue the billion of dollars (per month) of spending in a war that has had no direction from its beginning...- mplumb, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4It must be nice to have your kind of knowledge. To be able to know instantly, effortlessly, and with absolute certainty that we're worse off at war that we would be if we stayed home and watched Oprah. That must be nice.
I am not quite as bright as you, but I do know that we've lost over 4000 troops since the war began. If the terrorists were as successful in their next attack as they were in the last, we'd expect to lose around 3000 civilians which, fair enough, is less than we've lost in the war. But if the terrorists upped the ante, or were slightly more effective, the numbers could go the other way.
War is ugly, but we were at war with violent, Islamic fundamentalist terrorists long before Gulf War II (check the history since the first WTC bombing, or go back to the US barracks in Beirut in the 80s if you feel like being more thorough). The fact that we're fighting back now is a good thing. We were passive for too long.- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1And that's why we destabilized Iraq and provided the greatest recruitment tool to extremist groups in decades! Hey, wait...
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -2/+1what you seem to fial to realize is that before March 2003, Iraq != terrorism. Now post invasion is a different story...
By all means, pursue the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afganistan, but don't go doing that kind of ***** and making us worse off now than we were.
- mplumb, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4It must be nice to have your kind of knowledge. To be able to know instantly, effortlessly, and with absolute certainty that we're worse off at war that we would be if we stayed home and watched Oprah. That must be nice.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2So the "moral" thing to do from your point of view would be to let the press slander you, don't say anything to anyone and just know you did the right thing?
Good deeds can also benefit the do-er. It's not all about altruism, especially considering he wasn't the one that did the offending. In my mind, he apologized on behalf of someone else, which is far better than having to apologize for yourself.- pjpark, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I was not speaking to the morality of his actions, I was mocking the fawning of his fans (or fanning the mocking of his fawns - depending on your point of view).
Specifically, I was answer the question "Can you see McCain doing this?" As if "this" were something other than completely ordinary.
- pjpark, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2I was not speaking to the morality of his actions, I was mocking the fawning of his fans (or fanning the mocking of his fawns - depending on your point of view).
- msk275, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Only if Lieberman is whispering in his ear..
- ahawks, on 06/20/2008, -0/+4And to top it off, the women's statement sounds completely staged.
I can just see a campaign PR person getting on the line after obama and reading the statement to them and asking "do you agree with this?" and then using it as a quote from them.
"We acknowledge that this injustice has been taken seriously and that Senator Obama does not tolerate discrimination against Arabs, Muslims or any community."
Could that be any more carefully constructed? - xDynaBlade, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Actually, a 5-year-old would have to be prompted by their mother in order to apologize and even then they would only sheepishly say, "Sorry" and consider themselves off the hook.
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -11/+6Look at our president.
- ryanparke, on 06/20/2008, -8/+15We just need someone different. So far he is the only one that "seems" that way. Or at least the only electable candidate that seems that way.
- TheSenator624, on 06/20/2008, -5/+4Different? He's got half the Clinton administration working for him. How is that representative of change?
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4Firstly, half is extreme exaggeration. Secondly, they're working for him. He calls the shots. Thirdly, you picked the wrong thing to compare it to. By different, ryanparke meant...
...compared to the conservative white senior citizen who harps on this war and that war, on the war record he won't totally release, the tax program that barely benefits the people who need it, the religion he says should be involved in government, and the jobs he'll cut to try and make up for his poorly allocated spending.
So yeah. Different.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4Firstly, half is extreme exaggeration. Secondly, they're working for him. He calls the shots. Thirdly, you picked the wrong thing to compare it to. By different, ryanparke meant...
- KDAY12, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2After this election is over, it will be interesting to see if people still believe that Obama is their savior. It amazes me how people continually think the government is the solution to the problems. Too much government is the SOURCE of the problems, and that won't change because some guy has charisma. The entire political system is disgusting and corrupt, and that is something that not even the President of the United States is going to change.
When Obama drastically increases the size and scope of American government, our money and trust will not just be going into his hands, but into the hands of Washington. As long as I have been interested in politics, the unchanging theme that I have noticed is that the government screws the living crap out of everything they touch. Hes a likable guy, but I'd prefer to keep my money and liberties in my own control. - zombies187, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3If you want different, vote McCain. He uses a different brand of toothpaste than Bush.
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2true, but they both use the Braun Oral-B toothbrush.
- zombies187, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Obama too. Sigh...What are ya gonna do? Its a two party system.
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2true, but they both use the Braun Oral-B toothbrush.
- Lythium, on 06/20/2008, -0/+5All politicians promise the stars and the moon and the Kuiper Belt to boot when they're campaigning.
Does Obama _sound_ good? Yes indeed, most of the time.
Is he less scary than McCain, and less likely (in my unprofessional estimation) to make the rest of the world want to nuke us? For sure.
But real Change, with a capital letter, the way Obama's campaign promises? I simply don't buy it. It takes my breath away to consider the possibility, but let's just say that I'm not _holding_ that breath waiting for it to happen. Call me jaded, but all I'm willing to give him is the benefit of the doubt. Talk is cheap; I'm waiting to see what he _does_ before I make the final call. - sconnor, on 06/22/2008, -1/+0Then check out: info@bobbarr2008.com
- TheSenator624, on 06/20/2008, -5/+4Different? He's got half the Clinton administration working for him. How is that representative of change?
- Jeffler, on 06/20/2008, -19/+49How long until Fox News finds a way to spin this to make him somehow being an extremist muslim?
- Quenlin, on 06/20/2008, -6/+1A day or so, and it'll get more Diggs than this I bet.
- LinkGCN4, on 06/20/2008, -12/+6Are diggers ***** stupid? Somebody makes some retarded comment about Fox News on EVERY article and gets dugg up ridiculously. I'm sick of this *****.
- metaliq, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Yeah. Holy *****. Six digs.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7Coincidentally, I'm sick of fox news. We're both sick of *****.
"Baby mamma"
"Terrorist fist jab"
"Muslim"
"Racist"
Fox isn't a news source, it's a slandermachine programmed by the right. The only thing that makes me more outwardly disgusted than fox news is knowing that there are people who genuinely consider it news.- mogebier, on 06/20/2008, -4/+2Fox News haters like yourself are just jealous that it is pounding CNN and MSNBC into the ground.
There is a reason why it's ratings are so high: People watch it. And people watch it because they give the other side of the news and not just the Liberal Leftist side like the rest of the news media. - shakbhaji, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3It pains me to know that there are people even stupider than you in our country. Why would we be jealous that Fox has better ratings than other outlets unless we had some sort of vested interest in those other outlets like stock? You sound like an elementary school child taunting a classmate with a new toy, "You're just jealous!"
And I like how republicans continue to cite Faux News ratings as if they are some sort of measure of correctness or validity of the views expressed by the talking heads on that channel. Congratulations! You're able to propagandize more people than other "news organizations." The fact that Fox gets better ratings doesn't mean anything other than that there is an increasing number of people in this country who are easily manipulated. No main stream news outlet is trustworthy anymore, but FN is by far the worst. - phike, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4mogebier -- has it ever occurred to you that FOX News has higher ratings because ratings are higher on their priority list than important, factual news stories? Talking about how Americans continuously die in Iraq isn't necessarily a ratings magnet........LET'S CALL OBAMA A TERRORIST! NOW FOX WILL HIT ITS RATINGS QUOTA!
Importance of specific stories is not correlated to the interest-level of those stories. - there, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2 You know what bugs me about Diggers and Fox? Not that I don't think Rupert Murdock isn't a violent slimeball that wouldn't sell his mother's soul for a ratings boost... it's that Diggers keep buying his products.
They are all heroes at complaining about human rights atrocities of others but when it comes time to making sacrifices themselves to stop them... instead they fund those pushing for them. They can't even manage something as trivial as missing the latest 20th Century FOX summer movie.
If they'd stop buying his products that's the only thing that will have any meaningful effect on Fox (and any other irresponsible companies). Otherwise they really don't give a crap about their whining since they know they are junkies who desperately needs their fix to keep their miserable lives happy. Fox knows that when push come to shove they'd suck their ****s rather than miss the next installment of X-Men.
So Diggers.... either start showing some rational behavior and spine by boycotting Fox products... or please shut up about them. No one... (left or right) respects a hypocrite.
- mogebier, on 06/20/2008, -4/+2Fox News haters like yourself are just jealous that it is pounding CNN and MSNBC into the ground.
- apextek, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2...and ironically you always get buried.
- mogebier, on 06/20/2008, -8/+3Geez Jeffler, you really are retarded.
- Dibou, on 06/20/2008, -4/+4A lot longer than it takes Diggers to yell, "Obama is pure class for having women kicked off the stage because of their looks and then apologize and hold a press conference about how classy is about the whole thing."
- had3l, on 06/21/2008, -3/+110 hours, 20 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLsJryWc5XE
- itzdiceman, on 06/20/2008, -52/+54Wow, Obama is actually pretty smart.
He removes the Muslim women from the camera shot. Which avoids any Muslim association, as well as keeping the audiences attention on him.
Then he turns around and makes a publicity stunt about his apology.
He's sticking it to the Muslims and protesting it at the same time. Keeping the robots in line.- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -11/+7"Someone told me you guys were asked to move. I am sorry about that."
"QUIT MANIPULATING ME MAN! STAY BACK!"
"Are you ok?"
"FOIL! FOIL!"- bruce86, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7First
Outside
Inside
Last?- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Stop manipulating my equations!
- bruce86, on 06/20/2008, -0/+7First
- fuzzmeister, on 06/20/2008, -3/+16See the picture earlier up in this page to disprove your point.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -3/+14It's putting his neck on the line and personally apologizing for something that volunteers did on their own accord.
Yes, he is pretty smart.
/Cue to the "ooohhh you are an apologist" crazies - Rsulliv1, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8If you read the stories, you'd know that he wasn't involved in their initial removal. He's not apologizing for anything he directly did, but something his volunteers did.
The difference is that Obama understands that he is responsible for anyone working for him. He could have just laid the blame on these volunteers (FEMA/Brown, anyone?). - nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6So you're where conspiracy theories are born, eh?
- BabyWookie, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2He didn't remove any one from the camera shot, you slimy, right-wing scumbucket. He had no clue that it had happened, until he was told about it later.
- kittnerrules, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1How do you know he's slimy?
- kittnerrules, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1How do you know he's slimy?
- exomni, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2Repetitive man is repetitive.
- kittnerrules, on 06/22/2008, -0/+1Network was messed up on my end.
- theaceoffire, on 06/20/2008, -11/+7"Someone told me you guys were asked to move. I am sorry about that."
- ryanparke, on 06/20/2008, -11/+28I seriously doubt he knew anything about it until after the fact.
- borez, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1FYI Ryan, when commenting on digg, hit the reply button within the comment and then comment within that mate. Otherwise people will just think it's a new comment and won't see the reference, I could be wrong, but it looks like that's what you're doing ;0)
- johnhummel, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8Actually, that's correct - every story so far says it was volunteers who told the women to move. I've volunteered at these events, and really volunteers just point and say "Sit there", and the Obama folks are usually just doing some communications from elsewhere.
On the one hand, it gives volunteers a chance to interact with the people. And since we need to be already energized and ready to serve, that can help. It lets the Obama team save money and save their financial powder for the times its needed.
On the other hand, volunteers are, by definition, hardly professionals, and sometimes you have situations like this. It happens, because last time I checked, the volunteers are human being who can make mistakes. - goddessophia, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2I've done a lot of volunteer work in my day and can personally say that many people are stupid and will make these types of decisions based on what THEY think is right and not based on the values of the organization. I worked for a non-profit agency where we were trying to get health care and pre-school for all children in the state of Texas and they all preached about equality and some were racist anyway. The woman who was one of the founders of the organization was extremely passionate about her cause but some people just wanted a job with no background check and low responsibilities. Some people only help campaign for personal gain and I've known of a girl who helps campaign to have something to talk about or a reason to hang out with frat guys.
- borez, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1FYI Ryan, when commenting on digg, hit the reply button within the comment and then comment within that mate. Otherwise people will just think it's a new comment and won't see the reference, I could be wrong, but it looks like that's what you're doing ;0)
- whataboutdave, on 06/20/2008, -11/+35It's obvious why his staff tried to keep them out of the picture, and that reason wasn't to offend Muslims. Imagine the fallout from the "Obama is a Muslim" crowd if too many pictures came to light of him with young supporters wearing Hijabs. It would find its way to every middle aged person's inbox in a week, and people would get uneasy about his candidacy. It's an unnecessary risk. Yeah, its an ugly reality, but that's the way that electoral politics must be run.
It makes me wonder why they stopped in Detroit in the first place. There are many practicing Muslims there, and they must have known that something like this could potentially happen and disrupt the campaign.
It's an unfortunate situation all around, but I hope these girls know why it happened. Sometimes we loose sight of the purpopse of campaigns - especially feel-good campaigns like Obama's. At the end of the day, Obama needs to win. Otherwise there is no point in spending so much money and mobilizing so many people.- ender7074, on 06/20/2008, -6/+5Its obvious that his campaign is all about image. If you think he knew nothing about this then you are blind. He just got caught.
- whataboutdave, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6My point was that all campaigns are at some level about image. Underneath all the feel-good rhetoric is a political machine that wants to win and will minimize risks to that goal.
- Rahodeb, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Lots of pictures with people in Hijabs is different than moving everyone with one out of camera range. This is bigotry. It would be called that if it was any other candidate, and any other group of people.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3If you think there's any campaign out there that isn't 90% based on an image, then you sir are the blind one.
- whataboutdave, on 06/20/2008, -0/+6My point was that all campaigns are at some level about image. Underneath all the feel-good rhetoric is a political machine that wants to win and will minimize risks to that goal.
- johnhummel, on 06/20/2008, -3/+10I should mention it wasn't "his staff" - it was volunteers who were just directing people where to sit. When "his staff" found out, you can see the response: an apology.
- TheSenator624, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Oooh, so like his former VP selection head, they weren't actually "working" for Obama, so it makes it okay? You honestly don't believe that Obama has any control over the people who sit behind him at events? Have you forgotten the "I need more white people!" kerfluffle?
Give me a break. Whether you are a volunteer or a paid staff member, you are representative of the campaign, especially when you work at a rally at which the candidate is appearing. Those volunteers refused to let those women sit behind Obama in two separate incidents. It's hard to believe that they both just 'happened' to decide that the women in hijabs couldn't sit behind him.- johnhummel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2I've been a volunteer at these events. I helped sit people "behind Obama", and my job was to point and say "There. Here, here's a sign." (Since people behind aren't allowed to carry signs in.) About the only direction for not sitting people behind him was "If someone's wearing a rude T-shirt move them."
So yeah, I don't think there was a concentrated effort by staffers to only vet pretty people. Volunteers - at least at the events I've served at - do most of that, and just get general direction from the official staffers (of whom there was 2 or 3 there helping us set up). - TheSenator624, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1It had nothing to do with "pretty" people. It had to do with two women expressing their freedom to worship by wearing hijabs, and the intent of someone working for the campaign to prevent them from being seated behind Obama. And in one case, the woman was explicitly told that she was denied seating on the stage for political reasons.
"General Direction from the official staffers" you say. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I find it hard to believe that this happened by chance in two separate occasions at the same event. I won't say (and haven't said) that Obama himself told staffers not to seat people in hijabs/head scarves behind him, but I bet those volunteers got some kind of direction from one of their superior staffers. In any case, someone from the campaign discriminated against these women, and I'm glad to see that Obama's addressing that it was wrong and apologizing. He should.
- johnhummel, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2I've been a volunteer at these events. I helped sit people "behind Obama", and my job was to point and say "There. Here, here's a sign." (Since people behind aren't allowed to carry signs in.) About the only direction for not sitting people behind him was "If someone's wearing a rude T-shirt move them."
- TheSenator624, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Oooh, so like his former VP selection head, they weren't actually "working" for Obama, so it makes it okay? You honestly don't believe that Obama has any control over the people who sit behind him at events? Have you forgotten the "I need more white people!" kerfluffle?
- Antonton, on 06/20/2008, -2/+0Just because there was a reason to do it doesn't mean it was valid or acceptable. I totally understand why supporters and campaigners would want to avoid the "Obama is a secret Muslim" propaganda, but that doesn't mean supporters should be barred from his presence. Kudos to Obama for reaching out, at least SOME people in Washington still have soul.
- jontalisman, on 06/21/2008, -0/+2Good point, why really bother with Michigan anyway? He didn't want their votes to count in the primaries so why should he care about them now?
- sconnor, on 06/22/2008, -1/+0Thought Obama was supposed to be the great uninter...what an opportunity he missed.Also,why does he pass himself off as "black" while dissing the rest of his heritage for the most part?Seems his "white" heritage was there for him growing up.I'm proud of my blended family...I just don't pick-up on that from him or his background/assoc.'s.
- ender7074, on 06/20/2008, -6/+5Its obvious that his campaign is all about image. If you think he knew nothing about this then you are blind. He just got caught.
- banderwocky, on 06/20/2008, -14/+23I don't think McCain has publicly apologized for dropping the C-bomb on his wife. Or his "bomb-bomb Iran" song. Or that "His God is the best God".
- Wonderama, on 06/20/2008, -9/+6The "C-bomb" comment was made in private and leaked. What someone says privately, with no reasonable expectation it will be repeated by others in a public forum, is their own business. It may gore the sacred cow of political correctness, but even that doesn't trump personal liberty, free speech, or the right to privacy.
- dondara, on 06/20/2008, -3/+11And really, she is a ***** so it's not like he was lying.
- GassyTurd, on 06/20/2008, -0/+12Whatever. What kind of idiot calls his wife a ***** in front of others?
- banderwocky, on 06/20/2008, -1/+7heh, the kind of idiot that "might" run the United States of America.
- Technohamster, on 06/20/2008, -0/+12I thought it was in front of reporters?
- sulthernao, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8Privately in front of reporters...?
- Tuxbunta, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1The reporter fact obviously shows that book is *****. I can't imagine any reporter being too moral not to report that story if it did happen, which it obviously didn't.
- Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2She has more money than God and stayed with him anyway, so if it happened that way she probably enjoys being denigrated by him. I've seen it enough times not to be surprised. As long as it doesn't affect me, knock yourselves out.
- gabangel, on 06/20/2008, -2/+7Instead of apologizing for the "bomb Iran" song, he told people to lighten up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeThckstKNE
If anyone is offended, then too bad. :P- Technohamster, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1McCain doesn't know how to work a computer. He literally doesn't know that people are looking up the things he's said online.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--mMyoDZGYk
- Technohamster, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1McCain doesn't know how to work a computer. He literally doesn't know that people are looking up the things he's said online.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1shhhhhh! don't wake up the McSamite!
- jimminy, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1Are you guys serious this McCain is really a presidential nominee?
- Iztikeit, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1What's wrong with bombing Iran? It isn't like we'd be aiming at civilians.
And why should you apologize for any of that? If any of those things offended you.....You must not get out much.
- Wonderama, on 06/20/2008, -9/+6The "C-bomb" comment was made in private and leaked. What someone says privately, with no reasonable expectation it will be repeated by others in a public forum, is their own business. It may gore the sacred cow of political correctness, but even that doesn't trump personal liberty, free speech, or the right to privacy.
- Quenlin, on 06/20/2008, -14/+7Well I wouldn't want someone sitting behind me in Detroit.
Seriously now, those volunteers had absolutely no right to deny them just because they wore head scarves. From this, we can all know that Obama is one man who will uphold a policy of acceptance, which is much better than tolerance. - ender7074, on 06/20/2008, -12/+7Whoopie.
- apextek, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1woo hoo
- Scrappy1850, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1YEE HAA!
- darksideownedu, on 06/21/2008, -1/+1Oh. I see what you did there.
- Scrappy1850, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1YEE HAA!
- apextek, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1woo hoo
- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -25/+16He says that referring to him as muslim is a smear. He says that using his middle name is racist. He makes sure that muslims dressed in their misogynist garb is not on camera and then renders an apology.
is there anything genuine about him?
How many lies does he have to tell before he is considered a liar and how many times must he plant the seeds of religious bigotry before someone calls him on it? When he visited Kenya and there was a photo of him dressed in traditional garb he called the publishing of that photo "hateful" and "fearmongering" so we are left to conclude that dressing as an ordinary Kenyan is hateful and anyone dressed that way should be feared.
So, his apology is weak at best and too little too late.
Americans are beginning to see Obama as the two faced liar he really is.- fbeecher, on 06/20/2008, -4/+6When inflammatory right-wing radio show hosts call him a Muslim, then yes it's a smear (in addition to being false). They are doing so purposefully to discredit him. They are making a conscious effort to make people afraid of him. It's not the name or the photos that are hateful or fearmongering, it's what right-wing media *does* with those things that is hateful and fearmongering.
Okay, on to your bit about lies... what evidence for dishonesty can you point to? And "planting the seeds of religious bigotry?" Really? How has he done this?- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2Given the fact i don't listen to talk radio I have no clue what you are writing about there.You believe that being a muslim is discrediting? Wow.
Dishonesty. Destroyed eight years of records from his time in the Illinois Senate, and claims he could not afford a file cabinet to store them.
Went to Idaho and in his speech said he was not going after guns but has made gun grabbing the cornerstone of his political career.
Said he would never turn his back on Wright Said he had never prayed in a mosque but can perform the call to prayer in perfect Arabic.
Said he was going to use the federal financing system for campaigns, how many more do you want?
He has planted the seeds of religious bigotry by claiming that referring to him as a muslim is a smear and that showing a picture of him in a turban is hate and using his middle name is fearmongering. There are nearly a billion muslims, probably at least a million people named Hussein and yet he is calling these things bad.
It seems that every week he is complaining about being referred to by his middle name or something.
- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2Given the fact i don't listen to talk radio I have no clue what you are writing about there.You believe that being a muslim is discrediting? Wow.
- mlrigsby, on 06/20/2008, -3/+5Are you being deliberately dense?
Calling someone a Muslim is not in itself smear. Calling Barrack Obama a Muslim when he is actually a Christian in order to exploit ignorant people's fear of Muslims is a smear.
Using Obama's middle name is not in itself racist. Using it in a derogatory fashion in order to exploit ignorant people's fear of Arabs is racist.
Distributing photos of Obama in traditional Kenyan garb is not in itself hateful fear-mongering. Distributing said photos out of context in order to exploit ignorant people's fear of foreigners is hateful fear-mongering.
Context makes a difference.- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Are you being intentionally obtuse? Is everyone named hussein an Arab? You seem to agree that referring to his muslim background is wrong.
I don't fear muslims and in fact my favorite Indy car driver and owner is Bobby Rahal and your post seems to prove the point that he's planting the seeds of racism with his comments.- malex, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2No, Mlrigsby is right. I think if you consider what he said objectively, you'd recognize that.
- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Are you being intentionally obtuse? Is everyone named hussein an Arab? You seem to agree that referring to his muslim background is wrong.
- jgzman, on 06/20/2008, -5/+1You are being intentionally stupid. However, I will attempt to help you, futile though it may be.
Consider: You masturbate. I'm pretty damn sure everyone here does, or at least a significant percentage. There's nothing wrong with masturbating.
Would you want images of you masturbating posted? Or a detailed description? How about if the news began to call you a 'pocket fisherman' claiming that you were a master bater?
Does this analogy help any? I'm pretty sure that you are beyond help, but I feel that it is worth the effort to try.- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1No, your analogy does not make sense. I fractured three cervical vertebrae more than twenty years ago.
You are an ass.
- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1No, your analogy does not make sense. I fractured three cervical vertebrae more than twenty years ago.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -2/+4If "Americans are beginning to see Obama as the two faced liar he really is" over the events that you depicted, then Americans are more idiotic than we all though.
Publishing the picture in the context they were used for (ie : accusing him of being a terrorist) IS "hateful" and "fearmongering". The _CONTEXT_ is "hateful" and "fearmongering", not the pictures. The only one who are "left to conclude that dressing as an ordinary Kenyan is hateful and anyone dressed that way should be feared" are the kind of idiots who renamed French Fries as "Freedom Fries"
But you know that, and you are just being a *****.- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1The depth of your intellect is duly noted.
- WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -2/+5"He says that using his middle name is racist."
Hell, when people use it, it IS being racist. Okay, so his middle name is Hussein. So? McCain's middle name is Sidney- when was the last time you heard anyone refer to him as J. Sidney McCain? We've seen several Diggers here that constantly refer to Obama as B. Hussein Obama- now, why would they be doing that, except to not-so-subtly link him to terrorists?
Is there anything genuine about Obama's detractors? - nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+4It's undeniable that the present administration has fuelled a good bit of energy into villainizing muslims, especially muslim extremism, to the point where people who aren't even muslims are getting cries of "terrorist!" in the street. It's deplorable, but it's a fact.
When media outlets associate him with being a muslim - mostly on the basis of his skin color, I'll add - what they're trying to lay down the image that he's affiliated with potentially violent muslims, which IS racist. Calling him by his middle name, which isn't something respectable you do to anyone is in an effort to attach him to Saddam Hussein.
He never said (meant?) being associated with muslims is bad, he meant preying on the current administration's fear mongering to slander his character is bad. And it is.- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Here we have a perfect example of Obamalanders and lame excuses. You blame Bush for creating animosity toward muslims?
At the 1972 Olympics, who kidnapped and murdered Jewish athletes? In 1979, the U.S. Embassy in Iran was taken over by whom? During the 1980s, who kidnapped Americans in Lebanon? In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by whom? In 1985, the Achille Lauro cruise ship was hijacked and a 70-year-old, wheelchair-bound American was murdered by whom? In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked in Athens and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by whom? In 1988, Pan Am flight 103 was bombed by whom? In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by whom? In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by whom? On Sept. 11, four airliners were hijacked and used to destroy the World Trade Center and the Pentagon; who were the murderers? U.S. military action in Afghanistan is against whom? Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by whom?
Oh yeah, it was Bush who gave muslims a bad name.
Are all Obamalanders this far off base or do just a select few think that saying you are a muslim is a smear.
All of the muslims I know are far better people than Obama. None of them consider their religion ans a smear. Millions of people are named Hussein, you mean all of those people are bad?
I think the ones who are playing on ignorance is the Obamalanders and their lame excuses for what Obama actually said.
While we are on the subject, have a look at this and make some more excuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs- WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2And there are quite a few people named Sidney. Why isn't John McCain instead referred to as "J. Sidney McCain"?
Because there haven't been any terrorists named Sidney, that's why.
Give it up, cashman. There's no way you can justify anyone referring to Obama as "B. Hussein Obama." It's a cheap attempt at deniable racism and fearmongering, and you know it. - cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2Oh yes, as long as you can scream racism everything else is justified.
I am so sick of race baiters whose lives seem to revolve around pointing out a sliver of racism while ignoring the timber in their own eye.
Obama said the words, repeating his word or referring to him by name is not racism or hatred except in the eyes of the racebaiters and hatemongers.
Are all Obamalanders like what I see here in this thread? - WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Dude, you're the one who keeps racebaiting these threads! Ask yourself this- why do you feel the need to remind everyone that his middle name is Hussein? Does it add ANYTHING to the threads, except to remind everyone that he's got a very common middle name?
Of course, I know you're not actually going to answer that. You know very well why you do it, and so does everyone else. You're just acting the fool. If you're a representative sample of the kind of person who's going to vote against Obama, he's got the Presidential race locked down.
Oh, and that new word of yours- Obamalanders? Really? That's the best you can do?
- WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2And there are quite a few people named Sidney. Why isn't John McCain instead referred to as "J. Sidney McCain"?
- cashman57, on 06/20/2008, -3/+1Here we have a perfect example of Obamalanders and lame excuses. You blame Bush for creating animosity toward muslims?
- fbeecher, on 06/20/2008, -4/+6When inflammatory right-wing radio show hosts call him a Muslim, then yes it's a smear (in addition to being false). They are doing so purposefully to discredit him. They are making a conscious effort to make people afraid of him. It's not the name or the photos that are hateful or fearmongering, it's what right-wing media *does* with those things that is hateful and fearmongering.
- IslandDog, on 06/20/2008, -30/+51LOL. You people are just suckers. This is called political opportunity.
- DooM, on 06/20/2008, -5/+11So what is the proper thing to do when local un-paid volunteers create as collossal a ***** up as they did in this situation..? Is it better to ignore it so no one calls you an opportunist or is it better to apologize to the wronged parties..? What would make you happy?
- Lythium, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2The apology was clearly the best choice both ethically and politically. The two aren't always mutually exclusive, you know.
- DooM, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1You've cleverly saw through right to my point.
- Lythium, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2The apology was clearly the best choice both ethically and politically. The two aren't always mutually exclusive, you know.
- Defuser, on 06/20/2008, -4/+4It must be sad going through life as cynical and hate-filled as you appear to be.
- Iztikeit, on 06/20/2008, -2/+0It's called American politics. You don't think you need to approach it with a bit of cynicism and hate? You've got a little growing to then.
- PolishLogic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2As opposed to rose-colored glasses and praising Jesus 2.0 as if he's incapable of doing wrong?
- CannedMango, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2You had better believe that no matter what, they aren't going to let Obama be photographed with people in full Muslim garb before the election. It's too much fodder for the right.
So, I completely agree with those that say this is a political move by Obama. He'll apologize and "crack-down" on discrimination all day long, but in the end he's avoiding a difficult situation. - Scrappy1850, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1i will believe his sincerity when he has his picture taken with these women in hijabs.
- sconnor, on 06/22/2008, -0/+0AMEN!!
- DooM, on 06/20/2008, -5/+11So what is the proper thing to do when local un-paid volunteers create as collossal a ***** up as they did in this situation..? Is it better to ignore it so no one calls you an opportunist or is it better to apologize to the wronged parties..? What would make you happy?
- FeartheKnighted, on 06/20/2008, -36/+25No, I can not see McCain doing this because he wouldn't have pulled such a stunt in the first place. You Obamabots sicken me.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -2/+8Yeah. I have to agree with you! McCain has been seen with Muslims NUMEROUS times!
/usually escorted with a full battalion and wearing a bullet proof vest- Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -9/+2Maybe after you follow Obama, you can start to follow his crazy priest.
HOLY ***** THE WHITE MAN GAVE BLACKS AIDS!!! *****!!!- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8The white man should have used a condom maybe?
/Stupid replies warrant a stupider one - Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -5/+2Holy *****, Gutter follows a man that believes a crazy priest. He's *****!!!
- phrenzy, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3You are 12 right?
- Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -3/+2Why would you assume that? I'm merely quoting a fully grown priest that Barak Obama loved for 20years.
Hmmmmm. - nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -2/+3And if I combed you for every sound bite you've ever said, I could catch some crazy *****, I'm sure.
- Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2I don't think you'd find that I said the white man gave the black man aids lol.
*****' retard. - Memitim, on 06/20/2008, -2/+2Don't trust Whitey.
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -1/+2Stallionism : "HOLY ***** THE WHITE MAN GAVE BLACKS AIDS!!! *****!!!"
Why would you say such a thing? Do you really believe that?
/See? You just said it!
//Out of context quotes : The best kind of quotes!
///You are a moron
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -0/+8The white man should have used a condom maybe?
- Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -9/+2Maybe after you follow Obama, you can start to follow his crazy priest.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+3Would anyone in McCain's volunteer pool have done it? Can you say no because you know them all? I mean, really.
Obama didn't slight anyone. A volunteer did. It's not the same.- Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1I doubt you hold other politicians to the same standards lol.
It's funny how hypocrisy grows when you have a hard on for your candidate.
- Stallionism, on 06/20/2008, -2/+1I doubt you hold other politicians to the same standards lol.
- webguy52, on 06/21/2008, -1/+0that's terrible, because Obama is just AWESOME.
You silly neocon.
read about how great these two chicks are:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/06/mu ...
Silly oil monger
- Gutterpunk, on 06/20/2008, -2/+8Yeah. I have to agree with you! McCain has been seen with Muslims NUMEROUS times!
- rthakidn, on 06/20/2008, -13/+5Are you kidn me?
- kotrin, on 06/20/2008, -12/+5people are funny
- dorrin26, on 06/20/2008, -19/+14At least Obama has the balls to admit his mistakes, (unlike the current president in office)...and then tries to at least make up for the mistake.
- LinkGCN4, on 06/20/2008, -6/+3You're a tool.
- nevetssav, on 06/20/2008, -1/+5You mean he tries to make up for other peoples' mistakes. His volunteers' mistakes. That's called compassion.
- shakdang, on 06/20/2008, -19/+14'Mr. Obama we have a situation, the scarf girls that we didn't allow near you have written a letter and I think they are gonna write some more ... and this time to journalists, we think you should at least say sorry cuz otherwise no muslim votes for you ..'
'uh?, yes do it please/'- malex, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1Cool story, bro.
- oneredeye, on 06/20/2008, -25/+19It's too late! It doesn't matter if he apologizes now, he already publicly kicked them aside.
- WasabiBomb, on 06/20/2008, -1/+13HE didn't "kick them aside." Volunteers working at the event did. He apologized for his volunteer's actions.... what would you want him to do?
- spoons10,