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Times: Giulini seized control after 9/11, acted as a 'benevolent dictator'

rawstory.com — A story in tomorrow's New York Times (reg. req.) is highly criticial of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's handling of the recovery operation in New York City following 9/11, claiming that his desire to downplay problems and return the city to a semblance of normality as quickly as possible has led to serious health problems for many of those who worked at

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  • 1greenback, on 10/11/2007, -25/+49Giulini seized control of the War on Terror Profiteering racket which has earned him millions and millions. Isn't it clear to everyone why he is still hanging on desperately to War on Terror fear mongering. The War on Terror is a joke like the War on Drugs is a joke. The only thing not funny is Rudy is awash in blood money. The man is a disgrace to decent American citizens everywhere.
    • futureb, on 10/11/2007, -7/+9comment abuse:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/nyregion/14giuliani.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=print
    • EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -15/+21In addition to consulting on "preventing" terrorism, his law firm has offices in several US cities, and strangely, one international office in Kazakhstan...

      Why? Because of the Caspian Sea oil (it says so right on the law firm's "about us" page), which needs a pipeline out to the open sea via our new friends in Afghanistan. Yes, Guiliani and his kin even profited by our occupation of Afghanistan.

      Guiliani is right on top of the whole neocon agenda of US imperialism, and the use of terror to make policy. He'll be like BushCo, only more authoritarian.
    • reeder, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7"When there is blood in the streets, buy property."
    • waveman216, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2I like provolone on my Giulini sandwiches.
    • DavidBGie, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4Giuliani is too liberal to be a republican, let the New York Times take him down.
    • moman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3I really don't know too much about Guiliani but I really don't think he's gonna get too far in his campain. It seems he's alienated the far right with the pro-abortion/gay-rights/gun-control stance, and alienated the far left with the crap listed in the article. He seems like he is trying to appease to everyone, which is just absurd and won't work. I'm not saying a candidate or a president should ignore any citizen, and all voices should be heard and all ideas contemplated, whether they are for or against his policies, but he shouldn't just go around trying to appease everyone.
    • Charlotte_Web, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11The latest poll in South Carolina shows Giuliani on top, and if it's a showdown between Rudy and Hillary, the smart money is on Rudy. Thus, the Times feels that it's their duty to take Rudy down.

      Rudy has the national stature, and his moderate stance means that Hillary would have to push left in order to differentiate herself.
    • mattmollysdad, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1mellow out... u r way to emotional to post a comment although u were the first... good job!
    • sandus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@1greenback

      You and the submitter are a disgrace to decent spellers everywhere. G-i-u-l-i-a-n-i.
    • dawg109, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2http://digg.com/world_news/A_Chilling_Tale_A_Brooklyn_boy_predicted_the_W_T_C_days_before_the_attacks
  • Jimmyb207, on 10/11/2007, -13/+10I dont know about you...but the man LOOKS evil.
  • thebrakelights, on 10/11/2007, -24/+22Yeah and he destroyed the 9/11 evidence as quickly as possible for the bushpig empire, sending the scraps of the wtc complex to asia ASAP - a felony in its own right. doesn't that make him an accessory-after the-fact?! or is he too rich to be charged with a crime? disgusting POS of a human being.
    • RossTizma, on 10/11/2007, -22/+23Tin Foil hats 4 sale!
    • mach32, on 10/11/2007, -14/+5show me how that is a felony.
    • Clogs, on 10/11/2007, -10/+18How is that a felony?

      Try Obstruction of Justice

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice

      You remember Justice don’t you?
    • moogle516, on 10/11/2007, -8/+6Ye I agree the whole 9/11 conspiracy theories are total bunk, this link explains in great detail why these people are wrong.

      http://educate-yourself.org/cn/coincidence911guide15aug04.shtml
    • SecondGuesser, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6Digg is where I come for fantasy allegations, ridiculous bias, unsupported claims, name-calling, and never-ending liberal paranoia. Most libs don't believe in an all-powerful God, but they sure do believe in an all-powerful global political movement that can do (and has done) everything evil in the world. No God, but the devil exists -- and he is Dick Cheney! You can't get better entertainment on Spike.

      Liberal Diggers lose credibility with every word that appears on the page. Don't any of you liberal clowns have ANY common sense?
  • DildoOreilly, on 10/11/2007, -14/+13Bill O'lielly's topics this week...

    Guy sleeping at Obama speech
    Anna Nicole's corpse
    Alec Baldwin's phone messages
    Hillary's fake country accent
    Duke Lacrosse rape
    ACLU courting Pedophiles
    Redneck Skanks missing in Aruba
    White Suburban Runaway Brides
    Shark and Alligator attacks in Florida
    Chinese Pandas
    McDonald's courting designers for "hipper" uniforms

    "Democracy"?!

    Democracy my ass! Between fundies, fake cable news and Diebold, America never stood a chance.
    • dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -11/+7you are right
      in a democracy there needs to be freedom of press
      people need to be able to make up their own minds with the evidence presented
      but with the likes of fox news telling people what to think all the time ...
      democracy is doomed.
    • swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Its not about freedom of press. Our press is free. Its about corporate ownership of media, and about media monopolies. The same corporate fatcats profiting from the current system are the ones who own the organizations that provide us with news. So why would they release information that could be harmful to the system, when it would result in them losing profits? The fourth branch, just like all the other branches of government, has been co-opted.
    • moogle516, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Love mr. fair and balanced. He only attacks and degrades democrats, and praises republicians.
  • dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -14/+7Adolf Giuliani
    • soulonaroll, on 10/11/2007, -11/+8I think "Rudolph Hitler" has a better ring to it.
    • spucky, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Rudolph Guiliani is bad enough. No need to bring Hitler into it.
    • gharding, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Godwin'd. Good job.
  • DeskFlyer, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2"But there was a unified attempt to do everything as fast as possible, to get everything up and running as fast as possible. Anything in the way of that just tended to be ignored."

    Kind of sounds like sex. ;P
  • SwissCamel, on 10/11/2007, -7/+6Guilani hijacked an aircraft?! My God.....
  • vguard, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5"Band-standing, Blood Soaked Collaborator" sounds more accurate than "benevolent dictator".

    Rudy was the "fixer". Like father, like son.
  • AlexWills, on 10/11/2007, -10/+16Buried for linking to a biased news source.
    • TrueXtremeIcon, on 10/11/2007, -8/+7Yet this biased news source links back to the New York Times article. Way to dismiss the messenger before actually taking a gander at the message.
    • TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14You might as well as bury the other half of the political news stories that are submitted.....


      Convenient that the Times would print this article now....sine 9/11 was years ago.....I wonder why they decided to print it NOW?
    • SecondGuesser, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7And linking back to the original news source sure resolves those issues of bias and out-of-context, right? Whatever, losers.
    • spucky, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3That is just stupid. Everyone is biased. You need to try to use that thing on the top of your neck and look at multiple sources to find out where the truth lies.

      Michael Moore is biased. He documents what he thinks is important and leaves out what he thinks is not. He is biased. Is what he documents wrong? Or is it just showing one side. Use your brain and get the other side and figure it out for yourself.

      No one can hand you intelligence.
    • gharding, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3So you bury EVERY SINGLE NEWS STORY EVER? Because journalism is NEVER unbiased. Robots can't write articles.
    • blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@gharding

      "So you bury EVERY SINGLE NEWS STORY EVER? Because journalism is NEVER unbiased. Robots can't write articles."

      Not yet....
  • michaelb1, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8worst typo in digg subject line history.
  • Dhalsim007, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13Rudy did his best to get NYC back working and back to productivity, to limit the economic damage. Firefighters and police did what they are trained to do -- recover their own. And they KNEW the health risks going in. Many of them said so at the time. To come back now and sue is pathetic.
    • sprkoolguy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1The importance of proving that New York City was not crippled should not be discounted, as dhalsim007 said, he did his best which was likely better than most.
    • telemart73, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It's not the firefighters and cops who are suing, it's the cleanup workers for the contractors.
    • schnoggi, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Ghouliani is ALL about the collateral damage, he steamrolls his way over anybody in his path. Need to get the site cleaned up (and uh, why was that so important to rush?), whatever, yes there will be lawsuits but we'll just lobby to make a new law limiting the city's liability, next question. it's how he does everything, uses a flamethrower to mow his lawn.
      but reading the actual NYTimes article, it's a little stupid for the workers to be suing now, they had plenty of opportunity to wear the provided respirators, but had big hard-ons to do their duty and refused. not that i would want to take away from any effort to kneecap this bastard once and for all...
  • bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Can we really trust that world leaders only have benign intentions?
    • CaspianXth, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Someone above is selling tinfoil hats. You may want to look into that.
  • mcscooter, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Why did Rudy have to run around the streets being a take charge, cowboy mayor? Because after the first WTC bombings in the 90s, when the FBI and others recommended putting his emergency response headquarters in a bunker in Brooklyn, he decided it should go in the WTC.

    That's why they did such a ***** job. The #1 terrorist target in the city housed the emergency response center. Rudy is just your average dumb ass politician that only knows what his handlers tell him.
    • schnoggi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3actually, no, he's a very bright megalomaniac with lots of tricks up his own damn sleeve. he doesn't have any handlers, he is a big loose cannon. that's what makes him extremely dangerous.
  • JJsays, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4So Dem's are pissed because they offered no leadership, they offered nothing after 911, but excuses for the terrorist and an envy of Bush and Giuliani. Yes I remember everything you said.


    Truly pathetic.
  • Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1OMG the notorious Hyram P. Giulini Esq. is up to his old tricks, the knave.
  • generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"9/11 First responders" even had an episode on The View. They had severe respiratory problems.
  • sentime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8
  • migtex1234, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Giuliana is what NEW YORK needed at that time. How disgraceful for people - now to put him down...
    IT YOU LIKE BLOOMBERG THEN YOU LOVE "HIS BIG DADDY" SOCIALISM....
    BLOOMY HAS NO IDEA --PERIOD - JUST CONTROL AND POWER--- SO HE CAN MAKE
    MORE MONEY. WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM THE STATE THAT ELECTED HILLARY.
    NO ONE I KNOW WOULD LIVE IN NEW YORK...TAXES, TAXES, CONTROL, CONTROL PLUS NY AWFUL LEGISLATURE.... WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THEY MIGHT BE TRANSFERRED TO NY
    TOTALLY REJECT THE THOUGHT.. YOU HAVE TWO KINDS OF FOLKS IN NEW YORK.... THE RICH WHO PAY FOR ALL THE ONES ON PUBLIC HANDOUTS...
    BLOOMY WOULD NEVER, NEVER BE ELECTED IN THE NORMAL STATES....YUK!
  • craka, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2LOL, Libs your in an echo chamber. The Stalinist and Trotskyite tactics that you employ don't work because there is only about 10 to 20 % of you, and thankfully many of you will see the light after you graduate college and start to mature a bit.

    We already know that you think all conservatives are evil, we get it, your not convincing anyone just alienating clear thinking Democrats.
  • CaspianXth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5This is absurd. Trying desperately to find fault with someone more popular than Hillary, we are to hate Rudy because he didn't enforce that people wear respirators strongly enough. Perhaps he figured people could take responsibility for their own protective wear and not sweat over deatails. Does anyone at the times remember that day? Rudy had bigger fish to fry, and yes getting back to normalcy was one of them. They're right, he's not a typical wade-thru-miles-of-red-tape politician. He gets things done.
    • Jubilation43, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Workers at the site were pressured under threat of termination to get the job done as fast as possible. Granted, a speedy return to normalcy was their chief goal, but the city also had to pay the cleanup crews for their time. Every day's delay cost more money and the potential for public criticism. Cumbersome respirators slowed them down, so many opted not to wear them, even though they were told to do so, for fear of losing_their_jobs. The full article describes how federal agencies were pretty much pushed to the sidelines in the cleanup/rescue effort, and they were the ones trying to warn everyone of the need for safety. Also, Giuliani was warned of the potential of 10,000 future lawsuits "over the next decade" popping up due to negligence and asked congress to cap the future costs of that at $350,000. Safety meetings for the crews were held daily, but emphasis was not placed on the need for respirators, even though it was known to be a problem. Instead, it was downplayed at the same time they were receiving warnings about it...

      I'm not sure it's fair to point the finger of blame at the workers for being too stupid to protect themselves. Future illnesses weren't presented to them as a very real danger, and they were pushed to work as fast as possible night and day.
  • arpsito, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0This Blows....
  • showpig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Oh yeah, much better if Guliani had let FEMA handle things. Then we wouldn't be stuck with that big hole in Manhattan; it would be full of FEMA trailers.
  • cru99, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3I'm originally from NYC.
    After the NYPD shot at Amadu Diallo 41 times, Giuliani said they were not to blame for his death.
    I will never vote for him to be president.
  • heynow21, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I havent seen anyone mention the fact that his top lieutenant (Kerik) was completely corrupt and had mob connections. I mean what does that say about Giuliani.
  • akirakurosawa, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Giualiani = smart, experienced, tough, proven, leadership/executive experience

    Hilary and Obama = inexperienced, unproven, does not have executive/leadership/managerial experience
  • sgrizzard, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Oh yeah, and FEMA would have done such a better job with their "expertise". Perhaps the mayor of New Orleans should have also told the feds where to stick it instead of running around confiscating firearms that people were using to defend themselves in the Katrina aftermath.
  • Sapperlite, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6There is no end to Diggs liberal bias. Were any of you even around when Sept 11, 2001? I mean really, are you all blind to what happened? There are forces in this world that need standing up too. Rudy Giualiani is not your enemy.
    • cru99, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Yes, I was living in New York, and working in Manhattan that day, and yes, he did a good job at that time, but the rest of his time as Mayor, he really sucked.
      I experienced 2 terms of him as Mayor, and I would not want a minute of him as President.
    • Look4Truth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Giuliani = NWO Shill.
    • appleann1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1"Were any of you even around when Sept 11, 2001?"

      From what I've been reading all day, they were still in elementary school.
  • fiver22, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2without the commentary: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/nyregion/14giuliani.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
  • minox, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4The left really must think that Giuliani will steal independent votes because I have never seen a smere like this before against him. If any one of the 14 year olds on this side had been to New York City before Giuliani in the Dinkins era, they would see what a difference he actually made.
  • strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Dear Rosstizma,

    Your comment almost made me piss my pants.

    That is all...
  • geekee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4swift boat
  • jlhoben, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You mean there are good and bad kinds of dictators? Oh.
  • showpig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0What means tin foil hats?
  • strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Tin Foils hats are used to keep "Them" from reading your mind...



    Karl Rove Facts:

    When Karl Rove talks, everybody listens. And dies.

    There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Karl Rove is in Washington D.C.

    If Karl Rove is late for an appointment, time had better slow the ***** down!

    Karl Rove doesn't actually write books, the words assemble themselves out of fear.

    Karl Rove can divide by zero.

    The grass is always greener on the other side, unless Karl Rove has been there. In that case the grass is most likely soaked in blood and tears.

    Karl Rove once sued the Houghton-Mifflin textbook company when it became apparent that their account of the war of 1812 was plagiarized from his autobiography.

    When Karl Rove was denied an Egg mcmuffin at Mcdonald's because it was 10:35 AM, he glared at it so hard that it became a Wendy's...and the Manager was killed...

    Wilt Chamberlain claims to have slept with more than 20,000 women in his lifetime. Karl Rove calls this "a slow Tuesday."

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    If you Google search "Karl Rove getting his ass kicked" you will generate zero results. It just doesn't happen. Same thing for "Bush getting Impeached". It just ain't happening either...
  • laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Pax Guilianii, eh?
  • laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Rudolph, the brown-nosed mayor
    had a very filthy nose.
    And if you ever saw him,
    you would even smell Karl Rove

    All of the other mayors
    used to laugh and call him names.
    They never let poor Rudolph
    forget he dresses up like dames.

    Then one tragic September day
    Karl Rove came to say:
    "Rudolph with your smelly knob,
    won't you help my inside-job?"

    Then all the Bush camp loved him
    as they shouted out hooray,
    Rudolph the brown-nosed mayor,
    Now we're in Iraq to stay!
  • Schfuture, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Ron Paul '08!
  • indyattic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0When Rudy took away the right of the general public to photograph the site of the attack, he lost me immediately.
  • LinearChaos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Scoop and Dump Ghouliani and ship him to China (but save a little of him to fill potholes).
  • ragnar0kk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Giuliani is a Fascist neo-con whore, Ron Paul is the only hope for the Republican party!
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