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Axel Springer’s 10,000 employees switching to Mac (Bye PC)

apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com — Axel Springer AG, one of Europe ’s largest newspaper publishers, with 10,000 employees and more than 150 papers in 30 countries, including its flagship Die Welt, announced on Friday that it is switching its entire operation from PCs to Macs

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  • HesNikke, on 07/06/2008, -3/+15Does someone have a subtitled version of that video? ;)
    • jacenat, on 07/07/2008, -1/+51Dear employees, i just want to inform you of a basic IT decision which concerns the company and which, i think, will make you happy.

      Effective emediatly, the Axel Springer AG will convert all PC workplaces to Apple machines. All desktops, laptops and mobile devices are gonna be converted to Apple technology step by step. This will make us europe's biggest Apple customer and 2nd biggest Apple customer worldwide after Google. That's a big step for our company and i believe this has many advantages.

      1) Apple is, traditionally, _the_ best choice for all creative and visual processes, including design and layout.
      2) Apple computers are easier to handle than any others. "What you see is what you get" is a very user-oriented apprioach which doesn't let PCs end in themselfs, but focuses on the users.
      3) Apple is building the most beautiful computers. The aesthetics and the design of the machines is unrivalled. Though this might be subjective, i think every workplace does look a little nicer with an Apple machine on it. And maybe you will enjoy going to work in the morning in the future, with an Apple laptop on it's desk.
      4) The decision is also econimically relevant for the company. The prices and the cheaper maintenance makes the switch more cost effective than the previous approach.

      I think this are a series of advantages (german sentence can't be translated directly, this is what he means). Of course this will mean that some of you have to adjust to the new environment and you will have to adapt to different processes and handling of the machines. But i think this will resolve itself very fast. I am happy that this decisions i not only an IT and technology decision, but also that it will speed up a cultural change within the company. I hope this decision will contribute to you enjoying your work.



      NOTE:
      i am no professional translator and this represents not a litteral translation but rather the meaning of the sentences. i tried to stay true to core, but my limited skills may taint some sentences in ways they are not in the original.
      • xtraa, on 07/07/2008, -0/+11very good translation @jacenat :)
      • MacGuy88, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4sehr gut. :-)
      • Dracusis, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Thanks!
      • timsline, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1"4) The decision is also econimically relevant for the company. The prices and the cheaper maintenance makes the switch more cost effective than the previous approach."

        I didn't read that at all.the article seemed to be comparing the cost of previous mac computers to what is available today. Just read it again. "Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the past" You know, the part about "than they were in the past" isn't a a PC vs Mac comparison, even if you want it to be.
    • CrowquillZ, on 07/07/2008, -1/+8Thanks Jacenat for taking the time to do that. The internet is a better place today because of you.
      • Janquisgran, on 07/07/2008, -3/+1yeah, why would anyone care about the stuff this stupid right wing devilish CEO is blabbering?
        In Germany, the period of Apple being something alternative has ended.
  • Steaminx, on 07/06/2008, -31/+14That's awesome. Hopefully they get much better use and productivity increases.
    • UltraMegaFilms, on 07/07/2008, -6/+6I doubt it.
    • jabberwolf, on 07/07/2008, -3/+2They are more likely to have HUGE productivity decreases and lost in costs.

      They get sold on inadequate document management systems that Apple claims is just as good. Instead its ***** up. You have missing or checked out documents, multiple copies throughout email. No one knows who is working on what.
      The IT department tries to fix bugs by rolling out fixes but has lousy macs to roll out, so users have to be a part of it, and about 10% screw things up or never do the update. Half have installed other crap on their macs. There is no organization... everyone winds up with a Unique Mac setup. IT has no way to administer stuff because users have turned off certain controls.

      Users then complain why the ***** we went to Macs !!
  • smmakira, on 07/06/2008, -14/+174It would suck to have been the IT support for this company.
    • dvsbastard, on 07/07/2008, -25/+121Actually I have a friend who decided to "specialise" his skill set to ensure he only supports Macs...

      He now drives a bus for a living...
      • zigspective, on 07/07/2008, -30/+16Where the hell is he living? Antartica? Because if you live where people live you can get jobs, and yes, live off, servicing Macs.
      • smashingmonkey, on 07/07/2008, -9/+21I'm sure you didn't make that up.
      • dvsbastard, on 07/07/2008, -8/+28He lives in Melbourne, Australia... And the story is true as it comes...

        I am not suggesting it is impossible to get a job in IT support for Macs... but limiting his skill set has in turn limited his oppurtunities - especially since he chose the platform in which jobs are much lower in demand...

        Apparently there is a reasonable demand for bus drivers though! :P
      • inhaler, on 07/07/2008, -2/+10I'm just glad your buddy has work! It's been a bear trying to get a job for me stateside lately..
      • strangewill, on 07/07/2008, -3/+8@zigspective:
        Along with every other CS dropout, "computer servicing" is bottom of the barrel in terms of shooting for a position like being a company's IT guy.
      • Rudegar, on 07/07/2008, -1/+10hehe so he specialised in not supporting pc's anymore?
      • majormunky, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2If anything, seems like he'd be able to cover both unix and mac systems.. It sounds like he just didn't try hard enough, or his original plan was to become a bus driver and took the scenic route.
      • atdakore, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3I'd have to say it was not his time.
        Now the industry is booming. And there is plenty of room for mac support in Melbourne.
      • Fubarepublic, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2He lives in Melbourne, Australia..?
        Population 4.2 Million. Biggest MAC users are Universities and Advertising Arts services. Thats 7 Universities with ? 150 macs? + another 70 in Media industries. Now add 16% of 4.2 Million and you can imagine why he does not have much work.
      • saikyan, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4That's why you don't "specialize" in Mac's without also knowing how to support PCs.

        If you know both, finding work is not hard at all.
    • kipmartin, on 07/07/2008, -28/+8my company, a top 5 insurance provider, allows your department to choose what you want. switching over would suck for a few weeks during the cutover, but its pretty hard to break a mac--fewer moving parts.

      imagine if they all went to Vista. now THAT would suck!
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -1/+34Fewer moving parts? Are you ***** me? What Macs don't have optical disc drives? I hope your IT department has a better grasp of what a computer is than you do.
      • smashingmonkey, on 07/07/2008, -0/+14Fewer moving parts - now THAT is comedy!
      • Velok, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4Who the hell use their optical disk drives at work?

        ...but... fewer moving parts? WTF.
      • UltraMegaFilms, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Maybe he is talking about MacBook Air. You know, that computer that doesn't come with a DVD drive.
    • specialK16, on 07/07/2008, -5/+48-IT, how may I help you?
      -Um hi. I just got a new computer, but something is not right.
      -What do you mean?
      -Well I can't find the start menu, and some of my apps are not working.
      -Really now? Umm.. How do I beggin.

      Funny story though, the other day a guy called me, pissed the ***** up because he needed some drivers for his dvd burner... problem was that he was in the wrong department (I don't support consumer *****)....... and in the wrong company. Pretty went like this:

      Me: Thank you calling xxxx, storage support, how may I help you?
      Guy: I'm looking for some drivers.
      M: Ok, driver for what exactly?
      G: My DVD drive.
      M: Your DVD drive? Is this a notebook, a desktop or a server?
      G: Well it's a notebook.... a Dell notebook (I'm not even working at dell).
      M: A Dell notebook?
      G: Yes
      M: Ok, uhmm (at this point I went all wtf). But this is not dell, this is xxxx.
      G: What do you mean?
      M: We don't support Dell products.
      G: But this is Tech Support, right?
      M: Yes it is, but, first of all, you are in the wrong department, and this xxxx, not Dell.
      G: So?
      M: That... we don't support Dell products!
      G: (guy freaks out of ***** nowhere and yells at me) What do you mean by not support Dell products!?
      ....

      In the end I just wanted to say "Listen moron, this is not dell and i shouldnt even be wasting my time with you *****. Instead, I had to call Dell and transfer the call myself.....


      • svensko, on 07/07/2008, -1/+13Dugg just for dragging out your post that far. Wow.
      • reformation, on 07/07/2008, -11/+10"There was this time at work, you're not going to believe this yeah, and SOMEONE CALLED THE WRONG NUMBER!!!"
      • DesdinovaEL, on 07/07/2008, -2/+8I would say composition isnt your bag.
      • specialK16, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1@desdinova: nah, I much rather write a script.... the reason I pretty much suck at writting is because I find it oddly hard to describe things. It's a shame since I have some crazy ideas in my head.
    • aussieNickuss, on 07/07/2008, -1/+16Seeing as they already use Macs extensively, then the tech support would already be more than qualified on both platforms to assist in the transition pretty seamlessly.
    • cadmiumpaint, on 07/07/2008, -2/+9The current IT support would prob get fired, and they'd bring in qualified mac support.
      • soopafly, on 07/07/2008, -2/+8Doubt it. If you're IT support with such a huge employee base, you bet your ass you gotta know Macs. Clicking through Wizards can only take you so far.
      • UltraMegaFilms, on 07/07/2008, -2/+8If you have 26 chromosomes, you are already over-qualified mac support.
      • timsline, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Any good company would offer Mac training for it's employees, for any kind of transition like that.
    • bradleyland, on 07/07/2008, -3/+16How many all-Mac networks have you administered? I do independent consulting, so I get the opportunity to do both. AD is probably the best product Microsoft makes, but that doesn't mean Apple is standing still. Apple has a server product called Workgroup Manager. It includes most common centralized group operations such as directory management (users and groups), kerberos authentication, and scripted application deployment. Other services available out of the box include mail, calendaring, directory, IM, and www.

      Obviously Apple does not have feature parity with Microsoft's Active Directory, but their products are built on top of open source equivalents and tied together in a very nice package that work very well together.

      It's a shame that people are so quick to assume that Macs are limited to what they see in peoples' homes or in Apples infamous "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials. Apple needs to do a better job of promoting these technologies in techie circles if they intend to make any inroads.
      • UltraMegaFilms, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3I don't know. I think they like the whole smug approach. People will dish out a lot of money if they think its the cool or best thing. That's the whole point of the commercials. They essentially are attacking s group that can't or won't retaliate. If they gain too much market share, then they start dealing with the issues MS has to contend with, and that's not fun and progressive anymore.
      • Fubarepublic, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7You can run Apache / MAMPP on Mac so whatever you need its already there. Mail exchange, secure services etc....

        http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-macosx.html
      • saikyan, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7Finally, somebody who knows what the ***** they're talking about.
      • Elranzer, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4Macs are designed in California. I hear there's a lot of smug out there.
      • tian2992, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2@Elranzer
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley
    • alperea, on 07/07/2008, -8/+3Silly, you don't need IT support for Macs. They 'just' work. And they are so intuitive, people need to training.
    • jabberwolf, on 07/07/2008, -5/+1Stupid comment of the say
      "Apple has a server product called Workgroup Manager."
      "t includes most common centralized group operations such as directory management (users and groups), kerberos authentication, and scripted application deployment. Other services available out of the box include mail, calendaring, directory, IM, and www."

      Um and administering updates,remote installs, etc???
      OOPs... you've just become MACTARDED!
    • thorn101, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Yes it would, they can fire half of them (maybe even more). Macs are way more easy to manage (Apple Remote Desktop).
      And yes I know, it is a cliche but mac os x is UNIX after all.
  • digitalpencil, on 07/06/2008, -31/+21Makes sense, my work (only 15 employees) switched to mac a few months back. Much nicer than my old windows box and the cinema displays are exceptional! I thought my old NEC was good but once i calibrated it with my spyder i haven't looked back.
    Makes me sad to go back to my crappy Belinea at home though ;)
    • digitalpencil, on 07/07/2008, -4/+7^^ did i just fart or something?
      • kibbledbits, on 07/07/2008, -3/+5I dunno but Microsoft trolls have venomous lately. Maybe they're just jealous of all the iPhone & Leopard buzz and all they get is Zunes and Vistas...

        Ahh poor MS Fanboys :-(
  • gamben0, on 07/06/2008, -16/+110Newspaper publishers? They should have already been on macs for years.
    • F9Phoenix, on 07/07/2008, -4/+22Every paper I've worked at, including the world's largest, Metro, all used Macs. I've never even heard of a paper using a PC.
      • redscofield, on 07/07/2008, -1/+6as a former journalist and graphic designer, i can assure you that aside from journalists and the designers, the majority of publishers have been using PCs. It's all about the overhead for them.
      • cawpin, on 07/07/2008, -5/+2F9Phoenix - So you've worked at one paper. Good for you.
    • jacenat, on 07/07/2008, -9/+11in europe, apple is still a small minority, even within creative circles.
      • blackjack75, on 07/07/2008, -2/+12Not sure what part you were talking about but in Switzerland macs definitely rule the graphics industry. I has gone done strongly around 2000 but is coming mac more and more every year.
      • eatsleepbreathe, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Sounds like nonsense to me... here in the UK the creative industries have been using Macs for as long as I can remember (quite a while).

        Most coders I work with also switched to mac when OS X first came out.
    • CarStan, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2They are the publisher of BILD, the german equivalent to The Sun. every year they join forces with ALDI (germany's Walm-Mart) to promote an affordable mid-range PC for the masses.
      I am surprised that these guys even know what a Mac is.
    • myranttoyou, on 07/07/2008, -5/+1All print media will be dead soon enough, so no real gains for Apple.
  • GrandBreton, on 07/06/2008, -21/+2lol
  • inetiatic, on 07/07/2008, -34/+34Have been using a mac for a few weeks now, and i can say it is MUCH easier to multi-task and accomplish typical daily routines much faster. It definitely would help the less tech-savy workers catch up on functionality and ability of work they can acomplish
    • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -26/+36Ummm... ALL modern computers multitask well. Trying to say Mac is better at it demonstrates your ignornace and the level of your fanboyism.
      • inetiatic, on 07/07/2008, -13/+13Really? Because im pretty sure Expose + spaces = very easy multi-tasking. Windows? Yeah Vista has that scrolly windowy *****, but its still slower.
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -9/+13inetiatic:

        Thanks for the encore showing of your ignorance and fanboy.
      • locojones, on 07/07/2008, -5/+12Yeah, Alt-Tab is sooooooooooo much of an inconvenience to multitask. *rolls eyes*
      • xtraa, on 07/07/2008, -9/+4@norman619: You can't beat a Mac when it comes to layout, printing and fonts. As well as you can't beat an XP machine when you are a gamer. This has nothing to do with fanboyism.

        You don't buy a Porsche, if you want to manage a desert ralleye.
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -7/+8xtraa:

        I'm a CG artist. I do 3D animation, video editing, photo editing, 2D artwork, video game work, some web-design, and other stuff. The computer you use is just a tool. I use a graphics workstation I built myself which is much cheaper than buying a Mac with the same kind of hardware inside it. Well the video card I have isn't available for the Mac so I guess there isn't really a Mac that matches my setup. Most of the apps I use are either not available for OSX or run like crap under OSX. Oh, and guess what? My system is a fantastic graphics workstation AND a kick butt gaming rig. You buy or build a system which can do EVERYTHING you need it to do which is what I did. No Mac out there is as versatile as the system I built for one very important reason. The same reason Apple have such a minuscule share of the desktop market. The major software vendors do not support OSX. Even if all I did was design work why would I spend extra money on a Mac when I can build a mainstream system that can do as good a job or better for much less? If you feel your choice of machine slows down your ability to do your creative work then you much not be as good as you think or there is something seriously wrong with your system. My choice in machines is based on access to the applications I must use for work AND the applications I enjoy using for my own entertainment and sanity.

        "You don't buy a Porsche, if you want to manage a desert ralleye."

        LOL!!! Too funny. This comment here smacks of fanboy. Oh and that's Rally not ralleye.
      • UltraMegaFilms, on 07/07/2008, -3/+6I agree with norman619. I use ***** Vista on my design workstation, and it is just as good and actually much faster than the Macs around me. Please, if you have some insight as to why Macs are better for design, please tell me, because when it comes to this, people talk a good game, but never bring the facts.
      • alex7575, on 07/07/2008, -3/+5"Please, if you have some insight as to why Macs are better for design, please tell me"

        It's on their website, it says "macs are better for graphic stuff than crappy PCs are".


        Seriously, I'm a recent Mac user, as much as I like OSX better than windows (for now), I hate the user base. It's like they'd shove anything up their ass as long as it has the Apple logo on it. If Apple does something *****, "ohhh, it's for a reason...", there's always a good reason Apple is doing ***** they do.

        Example at hand, the Macbook Air's superdrive, it's made so it'll work only with the Air. They went out of their way to cripple the drive so it can only be used with the Air. If you say that the drive uses more current than the usual drive, you're wrong, I'm using the same drive with a different pcb and it works with everything. Apple decided that they didn't want to support the Air's drive as a standalone product, if that's the case, why not just sell the Airs with the drive? Assholes.
      • xtraa, on 07/07/2008, -4/+4@norman619:

        blablabla... tool... blablabla...video card....blabla...fanboy.

        I was talking about: Layout. Fonts. Printing.

        You are talking about 2D Artwork, 3D, video, blah. See the difference? Off Topic.

        1. Show me the video card that does not work with layouts, fonts, printing.
        2. You simply don't have wysiwyg print-fonting on a Windows machine. Sorry, they just use a different technik, with other pros and cons. Google is your friend.
        3. Oh, and yes it's Rally. You know this is not my native language, so I don't give a fck.
        4. Sure, if you are an artist you must be on a Windows machine. Otherwise we would have read your name somewhere else, right? :)


      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2UltraMegaFilms:

        I was having stability issues when I was running 32bit versions of my 3D apps under Vista 64bit but after I swapped them out with their 64bit versions I was in heaven. The applications are rock solid and MUCH faster. Plus you gotta love having more than 4 GB ram to play with.

        alex:

        Finally a Mac user who didn't drink the kool aid. Thank you sir.
    • knute5, on 07/07/2008, -5/+3Somebody who's been using a Mac for only a couple weeks can hardly be a fanboy. A WinH8er maybe...
    • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -2/+5Hallelujah, brother!
      The prospect is that soon you'll start the "because it works" bs around too.
    • jwdav, on 07/07/2008, -4/+5Multitasking might not be the right word for it, but there is something to be said for working with a large monitor with 4-5 app windows visible at the same time, as opposed to maximising a single app and switching back and forth. So many Windows apps are stuck with MDI (window in a window) interfaces.
      • protogenxl, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3And that's the ways I likes it!
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3LOL!!! If you are really serious about working like that then why not do a dual monitor setup? One monitor is not enough. I speak from exp. I often need to be working in more than one application at the same time so I have the main application open on one monitor and use the other monitor to switch between the other apps I am using in conjunction with the main application. One monitor is a joke. You are seriously going to work in 4 - 5 different apps on a single monitor? Talk about wasting time...
      • inetiatic, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3Some of us don't like to bring an extra monitor to Starbucks or the anywhere else we bring a laptop..
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3inetiatic:

        Good because I don't haul my GRAPHICS WORKSTATION to Starbuck's either. Try to stick to the topic. We are not talking laptops we are talking desktops. My point still stands. If you need to have more than one app running ON YOUR DESKTOP it is more efficient to work with dual monitors. Shuffling between 3 or 4 apps on top of your primary application is a ridiculous waste of time. Try to keep up with the rest of the class.
  • moosepile, on 07/07/2008, -19/+6No *****, this should be titled "Newspaper publisher clues in that most newspaper publishers have been Mac based since the 9" screen"

    Edit: Even though Adobe is completely making itself a M$ Vendor Puppet with it's flagship publishing suite...
    • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -2/+7Oh yes. It's totally a bad business move for Adobe to focus more on the larger Windows market than on the MUCH smaller Mac/Linux market. It's not like they are a business and trying to make some money.
  • lebsoljah, on 07/07/2008, -84/+157Windows will always be #1, that's why mac fanboys (MS haters) get excited when they find news like this
    • SIRBERUS, on 07/07/2008, -7/+40What about us neutral-equal-opportunity-haters who still think it's good news?
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -2/+6Then it's win-win situation for you guys. CHEERS!!!
      • pintomp3, on 07/07/2008, -8/+4if you're neutral, why would it be good news?
      • PhillyMJS, on 07/07/2008, -6/+8We just can't trust you filthy neutrals! With fanboys you know where they stand, but with neutrals, who knows?
      • SIRBERUS, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3@pintomp3... sometimes I feel like the guy sittin on the top of a mountain, looking down at the fanboy wars. I could care less if it is microsoft losing to mac or mac losing to microsoft... I just like entertainment while the dust settles.
      • tidu, on 07/07/2008, -7/+6digging this with a mac
      • bratterscain, on 07/07/2008, -2/+6Competition makes us the winner. But this is not really the digg I used to know and love exactly. In the early days, Mac and Windows fanboys seemed about 1 to 1, now it's more Windows fanboys. And since this site is more popular now and mainstream, I don't doubt the less techy crowd has joined digg along with the ignorant fanboys.

        /btw, typing from a Vista box, triple booting Linux and Hackintosh. It's all good.
      • GassyTurd, on 07/07/2008, -6/+1Competition? Or stealing Mac ideas?
      • Dracusis, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2"neutral-equal-opportunity-haters"

        I must confess, reading that makes me want to hug you.
    • colincornaby, on 07/07/2008, -23/+16Windows won't always be #1, because the PC won't always be #1. Acting like Microsoft will have a monopoly from now until the end of time is absurd.

      Look at the handheld market. The handheld market is likely to be the next big computing market, and Microsoft is getting the crap kicked out of it, both by OS X and Linux based OS's.
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -2/+11How big is that market compared to the desktop and server market?
      • sexybobo, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12lol Try doing any work on a hand held. They work good for checking email and such but try working on any large spread sheets and tell me that the desktop is on its way out. Even laptops are bad for daily work. Every single person at my work who has a laptop has a docking station monitor and full size keyboard and mouse because it is hard working on laptops.
      • Syphon8, on 07/07/2008, -1/+8"The PC" is not a monopoly. Macs would be a monopoly.
      • speakafreaka, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3When you can grasp the amount of money it would take to re-develop every single business app for a different platform, repeat that statement.
      • cleric85, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3Well PC are winning in sales, when Mac gets remotely close let me know, or when every game is made for it. But until then spare us your desire for Apple expansion.
      • Elranzer, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Windows PC may not be #1 forever, but it's not going to be replaced by a fascist proprietary "we-design-both-the-hardware-and-software" system such as Mac. If anything, open-source will kill them both.
    • pradaaddict, on 07/07/2008, -8/+15even a small victory is still a victory when something you love is concerned.
    • superkendall, on 07/07/2008, -20/+9Only #1 in volume my friend. Which is why Mac Haters such as yourself feel so worried they have to point out WIndows is still on top in something.
      • kipmartin, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4its good news because choice is always good.
    • dzw120, on 07/07/2008, -9/+27Windows will always be #1? Really?

      Because there was a day when Bell Labs was the #1 telephone company. Or when Ford was the #1 car company. Or when the Apple II was the #1 personal computer.

      Granted, some companies have gone to the top and stayed there (Deloitte, Wal-mart, and Microsoft to-date for example), but predicting that any company apart from the ones most deeply entrenched in infrastructure (such as Nicor with natural gas lines) will forever remain at the top is ignorant.
      • speakafreaka, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2They are deeply entrenched.. see my last comment, businesses wont spend the money re-developing business critical apps for new platform if there is too much risk to do so.

        We are still trying to get rid of access 3 dbs at my bank
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2@speakafreaka
        That's true today, but the next gen of critical business apps will more likely than not be platform neutral. That's not to say that Macs will take over however
      • dzw120, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1@speakafreaka
        Microsoft is entrenched, but not to the degree of Nicor. I specifically included Bell Labs on my list of "no-longer-top-dog" companies to show that even companies that are "fairly well" entrenched can fall from the top spot. Plenty of infrastructure and economic barriers to entry, and the competition still caught up to Bell Labs.

        Technology (especially in software) just moves too quickly for anyone to make predictions that will be good for even the next 10 years, not to mention for all time. FireFox, for example, has gained enormous ground against IE, even with IE having nearly the entire market at its entry and with IE having the advantage of coming pre-installed on every Windows machine. IE is still #1 today, but it just goes to show how quickly things can change.
    • boonesfarm, on 07/07/2008, -17/+15Axel Springer finds way to quadruple IT costs while only alienating 95% of software vendors! Springer also amended its vision benefit program to mandate pretentious dark rimmed glasses. I find their newspapers so much more credible now.
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -7/+12Are you saying Macs are 4 times as expensive? Because that would kinda make you an idiot. Are you saying that it takes 4 times as many people to support Macs? Past trends would kinda say the opposite. Are you saying that none of the software a typical newspaper (or most businesses) would use can work on a Mac? Like MS Office or every Adobe app? Sure there are Windows specific vendors, with specialized software not available for any platform besides Windows (some accounting and CAD software springs to mind), but for most generalized tasks, either OS is well suited and both are generally easy to support within a network.

        Maybe you should be a little less biased?
      • versualize, on 07/07/2008, -2/+9Uh oh...someone's a little butthurt
      • jblack15, on 07/07/2008, -5/+4Ah yes, because the MacParrot knows everything when it comes to bias.
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3Tell you what JB, read my statement and tell me where I'm wrong or showing bias? Aww, too bad you can't in either that statement or any other I've made on digg. I don't insult Windows users for being Windows users (as I'm one too), I don't bash Microsoft, or Linux. Just idiots with too much time on their hands repeating 10 year old misinformation.
      • boonesfarm, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3I can walk into a Walmart 8 miles from my office and buy a perfectly capable Dell with 2 gigs of memory, XP OS, and a 19" LCD for $500. There's no Apple vendor within an hours drive for me, the comparable iMac costs $1500, and there are far fewer Macs in the workplace, so yes, a Mac IT staff would be harder to come by, hence more costly. And, there are many people who haven't used Apple's OS, so you'd likely incur training and help desk costs.
        And yes, newspaper employees can run Office/Word/Acrobat on both platforms... so why switch to the more costly alternative? I must point out that there is no creative thing that can be done on a Mac that can't be accomplished on a PC. If your preference for personal use is Apple, that's understandable... migrating 10,000 users is a different story entirely.
      • versualize, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Is.....is that /thread? Because I think it is.
    • soopafly, on 07/07/2008, -5/+15Yes, Windows will have the #1 in sales. Does it mean that it's better? Nope.
      • Fixadent, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2"Yes, Windows will have the #1 in sales. Does it mean that it's better? Nope."

        Truth has been spoken...Get used to it lebsoljah and quit your bitchin
    • junkwheel, on 07/07/2008, -3/+5Mac fans don't give a flying ***** who is #1 in sales. Were quite content having a far better product from a far nicer company.
    • robrohan, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2Always is a long time.
    • mark579, on 07/07/2008, -4/+0I have never seen a headline saying that a large company is switching from Macs to PCs. What does that tell you?
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1It does happen. There are many companies that started on Macs but as they grew decided that WinPCs were the most bang for the buck. I don't agree, but I'm not running a company either
    • clockdist, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2Enron will always be number 1!
  • GorfTron, on 07/07/2008, -43/+105Now they need to hire some extra snotty staff to use those Macs.
    • soopafly, on 07/07/2008, -5/+14Haha.. have you worked with IT staff in general? They're all snotty.
      • Billman1, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4Being a member on an IT staff this is all I have to say. It doesn't take long to become bitter and somewhat snotty with the people you have to deal with. When everyone blames their computer problems on you (even though the main problem is usually between the keyboard and chair) its hard not to be snotty.
  • Skod, on 07/07/2008, -19/+7Gah...way to take a step back! I'm all for abandoning Windows, but Apple is NOT the answer!
    • kipmartin, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3as if Linux is? love Linux, but imagine your sales force on Linux. yikes!
    • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3Abandoning Windows for Apple is like... leaving the enjoy-DRM and your-soul-belong-to-us policies to live in a new, enjoy-DRM and your-soul-belong-to-us(and-you'll-feel-proud-about-it) kind of life.
      This is dumb and ***** up, if you want to keep being enslaved, at least be enslaved within a useful platform.
  • rlbond86, on 07/07/2008, -11/+54So? A company switched from one operating system to another because they thought it was better suited to their needs.
    • Suzuka09, on 07/07/2008, -4/+18thank you, Im sick of all this mac vs pc *****, each OS has its own ups and downs
      • utnow, on 07/07/2008, -4/+4yeah... as a recent switcher I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say that particular bit of cognitive dissonance has become.... well... false, at some point in the last few years.

        Gamers used to complain that there weren't any games on macs... except that 90% of major games migrated over to consoles and only exist for Windows because of what appear to be microsoft subsidies.

        Really the only thing still giving windows any advantage at all anymore is financial software. Specialized financial software seems to only exist on windows through their msi crap that loads up through some bastardization of IE and .Net and allows the people making their high priced (and usually crappy) software to control it entirely.

        Unless you're a stock trader, a financial book keeper... or want to watch netflix movies online... windows has zero advantage these days... plenty of headaches though.
    • GezusK, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3Guess the joke is on them. Its the applications that matter, not the OS. So, you buy all new PCs, then repurchase Mac versions of all your applications that you were using. AND then retraining the entire staff should be fun too.

      Guess it does simplify future purchases...no more taking bids.
      • clockdist, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1The departments at this company that still used PCs probably only needed MS Office anyway--which is available on Macs.
        Most corporate apps run using web services these days.
  • blanketfury, on 07/07/2008, -34/+27Windows > Mac

    That's right. I said it.

    And I didn't blink.
    • superkendall, on 07/07/2008, -17/+8"And I didn't think"

      Fixed that for you.
    • kipmartin, on 07/07/2008, -9/+3sure. where > is 'gayer'.
      • Persian5Life, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4as a straight guy i am offended.
      • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1it's REALLY funny and/or strange to hear that about a comparison between Windows and Mac.
        Yeah, we all know that though guys use Mac.... ........and that metrosexuals hate Macs also.... ....................probably..............
  • nastronomical, on 07/07/2008, -4/+80Newspaper sales are in decline worldwide so uhmm....shouldnt they be focused on something else??
    • fugazied, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1Yeah I was just thinking that.. a bad time to be forking out huge dollars to upgrade computers when the future is bleak for most newspapers.
    • sexybobo, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2it is obviously the operating system they are using that is causing the decline in sales hence the switch.
      • sagegoku666, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3if that was their exact reasoning, then i am beginning to see why they decided to also switch to mac
    • kipmartin, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4did you read the article?
    • griffinjam, on 07/07/2008, -4/+5The reasons they list sound like so much B.S. to me.

      * Most of the company’s layout work was already being done on Macs
      So?

      * Macs are more user friendly than other computers
      This is personal opinion and up to each person, I avidly use Linux, Windows and Mac and don't find my Mac any more user friendly than Windows.

      * Apple creates the most elegant computers
      What, are you putting pictures of your employees computers in your paper? What does this have to do with anything?

      * Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the past
      But still more expensive than Windows PCs.

      My take on this is that anyone that pays attention knows that Mac "users" are more like a cult and avidly support anything Mac related. Being one of the largest purchasers of Mac computers in the world will get them business from people that otherwise wouldn't be buying from them. Mac fans will want this company to do well in order to prove how awesome the Mac is.
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -1/+3"My take on this is that anyone that pays attention knows that Mac "users" are more like a cult and avidly support anything Mac related."

        Yawn...another "Mac=cult" loser. That's right skippy and we'll NEVER invite you to our secret free drinks/Bowling/hot lesbian sex speciality night parties.

        Not being a native German speaker, does this mean I have to buy Die Welt now? Most Mac users really don't give a crap about who else uses Macs. We're just getting our jobs done in whatever platform we use for work (in my case that's WinXP which works just fine and I have no burning desire to see Macs in every cube)
      • griffinjam, on 07/07/2008, -0/+0Obviously not every Mac user in the world is on a die hard mission to convert everyone else into a Mac user, but I've met a large number who are like that, who have even openly admitted to me that they try to "convert" everyone they can.

        I work with something that talks about it like it's an RTS, tell me about how many departments she can fully or partially convert, how much floor coverage, who she's currently attacking, it makes me want to tell her not to overextend herself or she'll run out of vespene gas.

        I can appreciate that *you* don't give a crap about who else uses a Mac, but my personal experience with Mac users suggests that your statement is incorrect.
    • SverigesKung, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2People still read in Europe.
  • TheCash, on 07/07/2008, -20/+43Uh, Whooptee *****? You gonna report it if they switch staple brands next week too?
    • dorkino, on 07/07/2008, -0/+25Some Swingline fanboi might.
      • shank2001, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7I'll set the building on fire.....
    • boonesfarm, on 07/07/2008, -0/+4sheya right... Bostitch FTW!
    • yetAnotherCroc, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6U Swingline fanbois are retards! Rapid is where its at!
    • orlyfactor, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7Have you seen my stapler?
    • PlayingGangsta, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2And then they switched from the Boston to the Swingline and... I'm gonna burn this building down.
  • llsethj, on 07/07/2008, -12/+1http://9to5mac.com/axel-springer-mac

    This is the 1st big company to adopt the mac. Wholeheartedly...besides apple of course
    • Nar1117, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2Untrue. Check out this little company named Google. I think they take the cake.
      • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -5/+3WHAT???????????/////////// Since when google does even emply a single Mac?
        Are you just plain dumb or what?
        Their anthem is do/be-no-evil, not buy-some-evil.
  • raydeen, on 07/07/2008, -11/+4I'm kinda surprised at this. I would've thought that ANY publishing agency in the last 15 years would've been on Macs due to QuarkXpress. I hated Quark myself (No layers so I loved it when InDesign came out) but Quark was the defacto standard for years for DTP. Maybe they were using the PC version all this time.
  • ufia, on 07/07/2008, -18/+5Sorry to burst your bubble, *****. Mac is also a PC. Did you believe it was a mainframe or something? PC is not necessarily equal Windows, it can be Linux, etc.
  • KDAY12, on 07/07/2008, -11/+63I really don't understand why people think a Mac is not a PC, especially now that they are running the same hardware. "PC" hasn't always implied the Microsoft Windows operating system...
    • iceyone, on 07/07/2008, -1/+47My guess would be THE APPLE COMMERCIALS
    • appleswitch, on 07/07/2008, -15/+15It's a reference to the IBM-PC. Stop playing dumb and pretending it means you're smart. We all know the connotations of "PC" by now, whether it agrees with the original definition or not.
    • GassyTurd, on 07/07/2008, -8/+1Nobody thinks that.
    • waspbr, on 07/07/2008, -7/+6Because Steve job's says so...
    • freshyill, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3But for most of the last 20 years it has.
    • benofmerion, on 07/07/2008, -6/+0iceyone... your half right.

      In the apple commercials they say.. I'm a mac... and I'm a PC. Most PC's run windows, and the guy even says in one of the episodes I run windows. Since Macs only run OSX, they don't really need to say their OS.
      • MikeSetera, on 07/07/2008, -0/+5Wrong, Macs can run any flavor of Windows or Linux. Ever heard of Bootcamp or Parallels or VMWare?
  • Incidents, on 07/07/2008, -18/+32Most of the company’s layout work was already being done on Macs
    Understandable.

    Macs are more user friendly than other computers
    In a business environment, I don't see that. Who are you hiring?

    Apple creates the most elegant computers
    Uh?

    Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the past
    Yeah - Macs are cheaper, but still the most expensive choice. Considering the costs of using PCs w/ Linux, IT departments can drastically cut costs by not using Macs.
    • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7They are hiring the elderly or wild monkeys.
    • kipmartin, on 07/07/2008, -2/+20we tried Linux for 6 weeks and were swamped with tech support calls. we used Linux Susse and all we heard was "My computer wont [fill in the blank].' the head of IT who thought this gameplan up was let go.

      sorry, i can work with linux but most corporate drones cant.
      • norman619, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5But it's so easy to use....
      • godzilla8nj, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3Buried for laziness. Try educating your IT staff on the OS so it can be properly configured before rolling it out. Then train your users so they aren't lost. Linux is an alternative, not magic.
      • mrtrevin, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Yeah. You really can't just put a different OS in front of someone and expect them to know how to use it. The customer support department of the company I work for uses Ubuntu. They are far from tech savvy, but with minimal training, they don't have many problems.
      • Fubarepublic, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1OH ***** Ctl Alt DLT opens the shutdown UI? How will I ever stop this buggy face book page from fragging my browser?

        (Hint Click on panel, add to panel. force quit)

        mm force quit, unlike windows, it shuts the bastard down then and there.

        Linux would have to be the most user freindly approach there is. Fast, 5 ways of doing anything and easy to set up.
      • rlbond86, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1@Fubarepublic: xkill
    • Syphon8, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2
    • th3wiz4rd, on 07/07/2008, -1/+9Apple creates the most elegant computers
      So what?

      Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the past
      Cheaper than in the past?? possibly... but have you seen the price of a decent x-serve lately?

      *They forgot to mention this reason:
      Mac ads are really neat.
    • knute5, on 07/07/2008, -4/+10There's nothing more expensive than your people. Given the 3-year avg. life span of computers, it makes no sense to quibble over a few hundred dollars if it makes your employees happier and more productive.
  • ut2k4king, on 07/07/2008, -5/+21The fact that one newspaper company, albeit a large one, switched to Macs won't put a dent in MS's market share. Apple doesn't have the resources to put a dent in MS's market share. Dell, HP, Toshiba, etc. produce machines that run Windows, only Apple produces machines that run OS X (legally). I don't think there's going to be any "Year of the Linux Desktop" or "OS X Toppling Microsoft's Monopoly" I think we will end up seeing the two gaining enough footing to force more developers to produce multi-OS software and for Microsoft to really have to innovate. The main reason we haven't seen a PC software revolution, and only an evolution of past technology, is that for years there's been really no competition. (Sorry for getting off topic, by the way.)
    • doubleaught, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Your argument amounts to "Apple won't be able to outsource enough to meet demand." Can't see how that'd be true.
  • DanTopultis, on 07/07/2008, -10/+0isnt that the same paper that make racist cartoons of jews
    • boonesfarm, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Actually, I believe European newspapers are better known for their Mohamed cartoons.
    • cyberdork, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1"The Axel Springer AG is criticized by German leftists and Muslims especially because it openly supports Israel. The Axel Springer AG is the only German publishing house which refused to publish the advertising campaign of the Left Party in 2005."
  • camilos007, on 07/07/2008, -13/+3What is most amazing is that no one gives a crap.
  • mrcabnit, on 07/07/2008, -8/+15Will Axel Springer be giving away 10,000 computers? I want in.
  • reverland, on 07/07/2008, -9/+13I like Macs. I think their OS is very intuitive. That being said I can't see spending X amount more for a Mac compared to a PC. Their absolute cheapest MAC starts at $700 not including a monitor. What kind of a business decision was this? I don't even care what OS you put on it, Windows, Linux, Free BSD, anything would have been cheaper than a MAC. Price is the main issues businesses don't use MAC, I wonder what the cost justification was for such a large purchase.
    • Certain, on 07/07/2008, -2/+11I think they are expecting overall maintenance to be less.
      • reverland, on 07/07/2008, -3/+2I don't see how, they are the same hardware as a "normal" PC.
    • PhillyMJS, on 07/07/2008, -8/+8It's a matter of upfront cost vs. TCO. Macs break less often, remain viable longer, and generally require less care and feeding. If they cost more to purchase, that's not a huge deal if you can reduce the size of your support staff by switching to them.
      • WhoDoneIt, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7Macs break less often? Please show me a reliable stat. I'm not arguing against, but that is a pretty large statement to make.
      • reverland, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3I don't see how they break less often, they are all getting their parts from the same place. The MAC's are just more expensive.
      • soopafly, on 07/07/2008, -3/+11Too true. My job has over 2,000 employees, both Macs and PCs split down the middle. The IT department is usually swamped with tickets concerning the PCs. The Macs putt along without any issues.
        But guess what, the PCs keep the IT department with a paycheck every two weeks
      • strangewill, on 07/07/2008, -0/+5I've actually hard more hardware issues with the Macs at work over the Dells, however user complaints (aka: users that have no clue what they're doing) had less issues with the Mac.

        However, I set up the Dells to be very resistant to users screwing them up, so typically I was educating users, not fixing the software issues with the Dells.
    • Suzuka09, on 07/07/2008, -0/+5Hackintosh?
    • aussieNickuss, on 07/07/2008, -3/+7They also have low power consumption (the iMacs using laptops parts) which also reduces their TCO.
    • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -7/+4With "intuitive" you mean more nifty-looking icons than the ones you've being used to see.

      Now, that's the main reason you buy a computer, for sure!
    • AModlin, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7MAC? Media Access Control?

      Oh, you mean a Mac, which is short for Macintosh and not an acronym.
  • camino262, on 07/07/2008, -4/+12I am glad Apple is starting to get some corporate users, however I do not see how "Apple creates the most elegant computers" can be used as a justification for a business to switch from PC to Mac. When I am at work all I am concerned about is getting my job done, not how elegant my computer or office may be.
    • aussieNickuss, on 07/07/2008, -6/+9Maybe the elegance of the machine sparks creativity in the staff? Maybe it makes staff happier when using the computer...making them less likely to get frustrated or procrastinate?
      • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -6/+4And then Mac users still try to say they're not gay.
      • clockdist, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1@unitedatheism
        right...the whole staff at Google is gay.
        /s
    • cadmiumpaint, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7Germans value design. In America we place very little value on aesthetics as compared to our European friends.
  • soapyeyejoe, on 07/07/2008, -10/+63You know, as a Mac user, I'm getting really sick of being presumed as a "snotty fanboy who can't shut up". Why? Because I'm not like that. I don't strut around telling people Apple is the greatest thing since sliced bread and saying their products "just work". I use OS X because I like it, I think it's a well designed operating system. That being said, I think Apple makes plenty of mediocre products as well. I obviously can't speak for all Mac users, but come on, enough of the stereotypes already.
    • ut2k4king, on 07/07/2008, -3/+8Ditto. I like my Macbook, and I wouldn't trade it for anything with the exception of a better model or maybe an Alienware with some good stuff in it, but I don't go around telling everyone that they have to switch to Windows, lest they incur the wrath of His Steveness. That's the kind of ridiculous fanboyism normally referred to cults like the Sony Defense Force.
      • krische, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Not too be off topic, but the Sony Defense Force is actually fake and was created by some Xbox fanboys to discredit Sony. Just saying.
    • Syphon8, on 07/07/2008, -12/+7You are an enormous minority.
    • reverland, on 07/07/2008, -8/+2I want to buy a MAC. I just can't afford it. That's why we call you fanboys. You buy this product because it's Apple, not because it's better or because it cost less. At the end of the day we can both do the same job using our hardware, but if I bought a MAC I would have paid just about double for the same hardware.
      • killtrocity, on 07/07/2008, -3/+11Two trains take you to the same place in the same amount of time. One train is white and clean. It is not infested with vagrants and hobos (viruses). The other train is filthy. The white train is pretty and has useful features that make you more productive, like power outlets so you can charge your laptop. The dirty train has ratty seats and broken railings.

        Again, both trains take you to the same place, but one makes the ride more pleasant.
      • reverland, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2That's not a good analogy for a business that answers to shareholders. Next time your company sends you on a trip, see if you're flying coach or first class.
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -0/+6Except you're not paying double. Most Macs are within 25% of a comparable PC running Windows. Note that I said comparable and not the special last year's clearance model. There have been many studies comparing TCOs of WinPCs and Macs. Macs "generally" come out less expensive. And no, I'm not going to provide links. Google works just fine for IE too
    • WhoDoneIt, on 07/07/2008, -4/+18You know, as a PC user, I'm getting really sick of being presumed as a "stupid, uninformed loser who should know that I use an inferior product." Why? Because I know better. I don't miss deadlines at work, I get that for 3 years everything I've plugged in does work and drivers get updated regularily. I make money from my PC and it's helped me reach my personal goals at work.

      I use Windows because I like it, I think it's well designed for me. That being said, I think Microsoft makes plenty of mediocre products as well. I obviously can't speak for all PC users, but come one, enough thinking that I use an inferior product and you are all better than me.
      • soapyeyejoe, on 07/07/2008, -2/+10I have absolutely nothing against windows users. I'm not one of those "M$ is teh evil" sort of people, I actually like Bill Gates as a person a lot more than Steve Jobs. Like I said, I use OS X because I like it, if you don't, that's fine. Just use whatever OS is best for you.
      • davidaod, on 07/07/2008, -1/+0I'm not exactly why you're trying to do here, but ooooooook.
    • soopafly, on 07/07/2008, -3/+11I actually know a lot of Mac user.. and none of them are like what the PC users portray them as.

      Can we get a group hug??
    • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1Check out 3 posts below, the one from from "CheeseNRice".
      This is how an Apple user is like to be, I don't know if you are like this or not and this is certainly none of my business, but how can one say "you're a loser because you don't own a Mac"?
      Well, perhaps he was told to be so thanks to some advertising Apple often do. Perhaps, he's just a socially deprived loser of the world...
      • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -1/+4Except CheeseNRice does NOT represent the typical Mac user. Don't be a dumb-ass (and no, thinking you're a dumb-ass has nothing to do with you preferring Windows)
    • timusca, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2Wow, you people are a bunch of whiny little bitches! You're acting like 6-year-olds on the playground crying about someone calling you names!
  • BananaGrabber, on 07/07/2008, -2/+8I'm pretty sure it's because they're losing productivity with all the games the employees are enjoying on their pc during work hours.
  • stoopie, on 07/07/2008, -4/+28the 10,000 employees will soon be 5,000 the way newspapers are shrinking.

    money well spent.
  • CheeseNRice, on 07/07/2008, -16/+8I love the apple haters. If ever you wanna see the socially deprived losers of the world perk up and come out of their mothers' basements, just lure them out with a "pro apple" comment or article. Predictable and hilarious.
    • blanketfury, on 07/07/2008, -4/+8I bet the iphone got you out of your mom's basement.
      • CheeseNRice, on 07/07/2008, -9/+3Awww.. did I offend you? Do you want a written apology? Or should I just text it from "my iPhone"? :)
    • th3wiz4rd, on 07/07/2008, -3/+8Cool a hip mac fan. Could you type something hip so I can make my Macintosh say it?
    • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2CheeseNRice, either you're being sarcastic and you're a complete and total idiot. You make Mac users look bad with your type of comments. Please be quiet.
  • Syphon8, on 07/07/2008, -18/+12I would sooner quit my job than be forced to use a shiny piece of *****, unless we were free to install our own OS.
    • blackjack75, on 07/07/2008, -1/+5Seriously? You'd quit your job for being "forced" to use a mac? That's absolutely fascinating. Hey how many mac users at home have to work on a pc at work? Do they all leave because they don't like the ugly icons?

      I don't know about your job, but if my job required me to use Ubuntu instead of my mac, I guess I'd do what I am told, since they are the ones paying for it.
    • Velok, on 07/07/2008, -1/+6In what way is OS X a "shiny piece of *****"?
      Have you ever used it for more than 5 minutes?

      I just bought a MacBook Pro (my first Mac), because i want to use Aperture 2, and I'm kind of impressed so far (after 10 days of use). Some things take a little googling to figure out, but all in all a pleasant experience. What is it you can't do in Os X, that makes you think it's a piece of *****?

      The laptop itself is well thought out, and it's easy to see that more energy have gone into the design of the MBP than my IBM Thinkpad (or any other laptop I've ever used).
      The magnetic connection of the power cord alone is gonna save my laptop a lot of abuse over the next years. Yes, it's kind of expensive, but I don't feel ripped off in the least :)

      I have both Windows and Linux installed on my other computers, so I don't think I qualify as a fanboy either :]
      • protogenxl, on 07/07/2008, -3/+3"So I don't think I qualify as a fanboy either"

        "Yes You Do"

        -Lord Yahtzee Croshaw The Herculean Exemplar
      • infernal6, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1There is a large difference between being a fanboy and simply enjoying a product.
  • th3wiz4rd, on 07/07/2008, -7/+20Well, where I work, over the past 2 years I've replaced about 1,000-1,500 Macs with Windows PCs (and saved a ton of money BTW -- thanks Dell!)... Where's my article in Fortune?
    • CheeseNRice, on 07/07/2008, -9/+3Everybody should take financial advice from the guy who uses numbers for letters in his ultra "adult like" name. :)
      • th3wiz4rd, on 07/07/2008, -2/+6LOL, you're one to talk "CheeseNRice".
      • CheeseNRice, on 07/07/2008, -10/+3"LOL", I'm not trying to explain how "I saved my business money". Now hurry back to your world of warcraft, the world may slip into a paradox if you spend too much time away.
      • th3wiz4rd, on 07/07/2008, -2/+11Dang Cheese, you're fast. You must be using Safari 3.0 to whip out those insults. I see some more anti-mac sentiment at the bottom of this page, get them! Quick!
      • dasdef, on 07/07/2008, -4/+5you're one to talk th3wiz4rd!
    • soopafly, on 07/07/2008, -3/+4You have no idea what TCO means do you?
      • sab0tage, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3TCO can depend on lots of factors if you include time taken by IT staff to resolve issues for an asset. By factors I also include the people who mash at keyboards and call IT because they can't find the "any" key (this can be reduced through education)

        Discounting the users, comparing the whole-life cost of assets is worthwhile and likely would show non-Apple PCs to have the lower cost over it's lifespan.
      • kibbledbits, on 07/07/2008, -2/+2TCO is a word Microsoft guys throw out there to try to prove that it's cheaper over the long haul. Very few people actually quantify TCO and it's just thrown around like a pinball.

        Working in IT I do have an idea about TCO and you could make a compelling argument for Mac or Linux in the enterprise.
    • damian75, on 07/07/2008, -3/+5You must hand image all your machines and not have them attached to any windows servers. I work in IT for a company that is 90% mac and every time they buy new Windows PC's it is like pissing away money you have the per seat Ghost license, and don't even get me started on the Windows server licenses you buy a mac and you have no more costs OS X server has unlimited client license and image deployment can be done with ASR which is built in. Most of the savings of PC's isn't really there if you look at the total cost of ownership in a corporate environment
  • ruddy, on 07/07/2008, -12/+5its bye bye WINDOWS! Unless apple is selling an UNPERSONNEL computer, mac's are still a PC. educate yourself.
    • unitedatheism, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2Mental note: Please remember to forward this incredible find-out to apple "Mac vs. PC" advertising department.
  • insomniac8400, on 07/07/2008, -7/+21# Macs are more user friendly than other computers
    # Apple creates the most elegant computers

    If those factors are half of your decision process, I doubt this plan is well thought out. You'd think they would have said something like administering a network of half pcs and half macs was costly, trying to train people to use both was time consuming, incompatibility issues between the two, etc. But telling everyone your decision was made on pretty colors and user friendliness just makes you look like an idiot.
    They should have a set of applications they use. If those apps are on pc and mac, then the user friendliness is most likely the same on either platform. If they have some apps that are mac only and others that are both mac and pc, then obviously if you want to get everyone on the same platform, you would have to go all mac. Clearly this CEO has no idea what he is talking about. I just hope someone actually did the research behind this decision and it was based on a lot more than the mac being cheaper than it used to be and beautiful colors. And costs should be the last thing you look at in a situation where you are purchasing something to power your whole business. The most important thing should be that you need it to work. Cost is a secondary metric.
    • rimantas, on 07/08/2008, -1/+1The most important thing is how you feel about your work. Means you use for it add to that feeling.
      Everything else is for the bean counters.
  • WhoDoneIt, on 07/07/2008, -3/+7A smart company this size would ponder this large decision and make a change based on it's findings. It's not surprising that a company in the newspaper publishing industry might find it cheaper to make the switch if all their associates are using Macs. For years Mac has had the upper hand in this type of industry. If it's going to save them money over the years than it's worth the change.

    I've used Mac for years and I've used PC's for years. Each to their own. They both have their ups and downs.

    This isn't surprising though. What is surprising is that someone though that this was news worthy to post. Even a fanboy for Mac surely isn't this obsessed with a story of this size.
  • zgf2022, on 07/07/2008, -5/+10You gotta feel sorry for their tech support department. Its gonna be hell for the next few weeks over there.
    • cadmiumpaint, on 07/07/2008, -0/+7if they're still employed...
    • clockdist, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1It's no different than any other big deployment at a corporation. It's nothing new. You just do it in "chunks"...one department at a time.
    • phibit, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1Why can't I right click anymore? :(
  • cinmrc, on 07/07/2008, -10/+5i see lots of mac haters in the house, or should i say lots of MS Windows fanatics in house!!! but if it was up to me, I'd have the entire system run on Linux.
  • Axtell2k5, on 07/07/2008, -11/+17Who gives a *****? Honestly? In the grand scheme of things, 10k users is a drip in a gigantic bucket.

    But to the apple fanboys of the world, they think this means something. I feel bad for those users, having to use ***** like mac osx for work? Blech!
    • phrenzy, on 07/07/2008, -2/+1mac os x (blech)? as opposed to ....?
      • nickweston, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1dude, you really don't know what you're missing!
    • Velok, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3Have you ever tried OS X?
      How is it ***** compared to other OS?
      What do you do at work that OS X would suck at?

      I've only used OS X for 10 days, but don't find it "Blech!" at all.
      It's a little different than what I'm used to (Windows and Ubuntu), but nothing yet has pissed me off.

      I feel sad for you fanboys out there, must suck to be you....
  • twylight, on 07/07/2008, -6/+3ya Mac running VM windows or citrix back to their windows applications farms is more like it...

    Corps dont buy macs cause they dont work with applications that make money...its nothing more than that. Cool and sexy and useless without the backend.
    • MacParrot, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Other than AutoCAD and some specialty accounting programs, what major business apps don't run under OS X? Can you name any?
  • merwin, on 07/07/2008, -13/+7Isn't a Mac a PC by definition? OS X is an operating system, that runs on hardware created by Apple. Don't tell the fanboys that the hardware is the same ***** that runs Vista computers... Just more pretentious and expensive. They get mad when you say that.
  • gsiliceo, on 07/07/2008, -7/+6Wow somebody is pretty rich or is scamming investors big time.
  • spacebuddy, on 07/07/2008, -10/+1Mac owns Windows.
  • nickweston, on 07/07/2008, -8/+2SUV's, Starbucks, Republicans, PCs....

    all outdated, lame dinosaur ***** I won't miss.

    go see "Wall-E," perfect example. Mac is to PC what Pixar is to Disney. Hurray to the innovators, the crazies, the creators, the rule breakers!!!!!!!

    PROGRESS!
    • jacenat, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2apple is no "rule breaker" company anymore.
      they were 15 years ago. have you really slept this long?
  • knute5, on 07/07/2008, -3/+10Apple is entering the enterprise market with the 3G iPhone and the X86/Leopard PC. This is just the beginning, but in the end it means more competition, and we all win when more players get into the game.
  • TheMachine1, on 07/07/2008, -5/+10Axel Springer sounds like a talk show with an ***** host.
  • j2002, on 07/07/2008, -3/+9macs are pcs
  • Barackalypse, on 07/07/2008, -4/+6Uh, OK, but as of October 2007 over 88 million copies of Windows Vista had been sold, so this is what we term "statistically insignificant".
    • xtraa, on 07/07/2008, -2/+4No this is what we call wrong data, because these are mostly preinstalled OEM versions that has been uninstalled after approx. 20 days of use.
      • Trat, on 07/07/2008, -0/+0LOL, so true. Hasta La Vista!
      • belumaves, on 07/08/2008, -0/+0and this is what we call no data, or in some circles, wishful thinking.
  • Pake, on 07/07/2008, -6/+6Call me when majority of the engineers and scientist start using Macs more. Then we'll have a news story. Until then, a company based on journalism using Macs is not news.
  • Earendil1, on 07/07/2008, -6/+6Axel Springer = BILD newspaper = THE SUN of Germany = crap

    "Bild hat mitgeschossen!" (Bild shot at him too)
    RIP Rudi Dutschke
    • Janquisgran, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2It should be mentioned as well that BILD and a Polish newspaper - BOTH owned - by Springer used WW2 metaphors and really drastical language before the Eurocup match Germany - Poland. Really poor strategy and just another example for the lousiness of this company.
  • diggitydad, on 07/07/2008, -7/+0While many people struggle with the Mac is a PC issue, here is a thought for the advanced class. Is OS X an OS, or is it really a shell?
    • jacenat, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1since when is osx open source so that you could find out how different it is from other *nix systems? last time i checked it wasn't.
    • xtraa, on 07/07/2008, -2/+1It is a GUI for Darwin with advanced features.
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