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  • primehifi, on 10/12/2007, -59/+434Dugg by someone running Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit.
    • kalleanka, on 11/08/2007, -39/+1972Dugg by someone using Windows Vista Pirate Bay version.
    • kazimir34, on 10/12/2007, -510/+136Does this mean that mac users are just to stupid to understand what are the differences between vista packages ?
    • igraham09, on 10/12/2007, -254/+135@kazimir

      no, it means that mac users aren't stupid enough to get caught up in the corporate ***** of multiple versions of the same OS.

      [edit] i am NOT trying to start a flamewar here, k?
    • phoggey, on 10/12/2007, -102/+424@kazimir34
      No, but the salesman wants to make a commission.. so what better product to sell? The 1500$+ apple system.
    • JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -173/+297"Dugg by someone using Windows Vista Pirate Bay version."

      The best thing about pirated copies of windows is that you can potentially get a free keylogger pre-wired into the CD image as an added bonus. Digg me down if you want, but there is no pirate group out there willing to guarantee your security. If you do pirate software, you should be doing it on a PC which has no internet/LAN connections whatsoever. If not, you're just opening yourself up to being part of a botnet or otherwise.
    • GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -11/+177That would make sense were it not for the fact that it would be obvious to spot it in action and the news would spread like wild fire.
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -54/+477@javertholmes
      I trust pirate groups a million times more than Microsoft when it comes to suspicion about spyware. Pirate groups are in competition to release the highest quality software. Software publishers are in competition to make the most money, regardless of their customers' privacy.
    • alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -59/+12-_- If you don't like it then just buy Ultimate.
    • JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -45/+10"That would make sense were it not for the fact that it would be obvious to spot it in action and the news would spread like wild fire."

      If that was a response to me, you should check out how the media responded to AudioGalaxy, a P2P program. Now AudioGalaxy itself isn't a warez release, but my example is to show how mainstream software can still get screwed over.

      Some versions of it came bundled with VX2, which logged data you filled out in online forms via your web browser and phoned home to send the data out. Wired covered the story ( http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,49960,00.html ) but it's not like all the major newspapers did.
    • shakin, on 10/12/2007, -24/+187"there is no pirate group out there willing to guarantee your security"

      And I suppose Microsoft will guarantee my security? No way. They have a terrible track record for security breaches in their software and for fixing those problems. I actually trust some of the big name pirate groups more than I trust Microsoft (although I don't intend to install Windows either way).
    • kris33, on 10/12/2007, -38/+23Yup. The first vanilla of XP actually had Alexa spyware bundled! And if you are stupid enough to download a "0wnng Vista 1337 rlz" from TPB, it is your own fault.
    • westoncampbell, on 10/12/2007, -12/+57If you want to try Vista without installing it, try the following link: http://www.vistatestdrive.com/

      You are remotely connected to a computer running Vista and you can mess around with the features and get the feel of the OS. I think that you only get to try out Business but that's good enough for me. Give it a try (and use Internet Explorer).
    • ZakMcRofl, on 10/12/2007, -9/+97"The best thing about pirated copies of windows is that you can potentially get a free keylogger pre-wired into the CD image as an added bonus."
      Ever heard of checksums. If you show me how you can produce a modified ISO of Vista with the MSDN checksums I'll buy you a Vista Ultimate copy.
    • oniroi, on 10/12/2007, -42/+23Dugg by someone running Windows Vista P. Bay version in Mac OS X ;P
    • mtappenden, on 10/12/2007, -66/+163Dugg by someone running Mac OS X 10.4.8 on MacBook Pro :D
    • zmigliozzi, on 10/12/2007, -58/+21Dugg by someone with a MSDN License XD , osx x86, osx ppc

      me > you.
    • jstem1994, on 10/12/2007, -6/+105"(and use Internet Explorer)"

      Damn, almost had me there.
    • venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -19/+6dUuuUGgg bii sum1 UZNG @ Wii

    • KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -23/+5Dugg.
    • stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -6/+258Dugg by someone running a Commodore 64.
    • crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -27/+6Dugg by someone using the PS3 browser.

      Okay not really.
    • naughtymonkey69, on 10/12/2007, -25/+195http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/484/untitleduh9.png
    • DonWilson, on 10/12/2007, -29/+5Dugg with the biggest penis
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -32/+178That's what I love about the Mac OS and Apple, they chose to do one version for users and developers, and one version for server users.

      X. Will you be running a server?
      Y. No.
      X. Well then you'll need Mac OS X.

      A. Will you be running a server?
      B. Yes.
      A. Well then you'll need Mac OS X Server.

      Really very self explanatory. There's no need for all the ***** version that Windows gives you, with Mac OS X you get the quote "Ultimate Edition" everytime. And not only that, but all the features will work too. In the end those facts speak for themselves, you can spin this whatever way you want, but if you're not running a server and you're using a Mac, you have one choice Mac OS X, it doesn't get any easier.
    • sam10685, on 10/12/2007, -14/+17been feeling like crap... that cheered mme up lots!
    • Scheissenegger, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4OSX/Vista dual boot:
      http://www.profit42.com/index.php/2006/12/09/vistaosx-1048-dual-boot-on-intelamd/

      (yes, it is my site)

      EDIT: Sorry, replied the wrong comment, scroll down to kris33's omment and you'll see that this isn't spam.
    • sembetu, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36Dugg by someone running a Timex Sinclair 1000
    • ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -12/+113Dugg by someone on a nintendo wii!!
    • 10scott10, on 10/12/2007, -10/+56dugg by someone running a key logger
    • Emanji, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14simplicity has always been Apple strong point and Microsoft weak point. I'm an XP user for 4 years and currently using Vista Business (Action Pack member::) edition. I really dont see the point of so many version of Vista. They really could do away with atleast the ***** home basic version. I think OsX is a better OS than Vista, but you're limit yourself to Mac hardware and software which is the main reason i'm still with Vista atm. I just got done building my new system with a core2duo, 2gig ram, 7600gs, and a 22in screen for under $1000, thats $500 less than a 20' Mac.
    • jcp20, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25criticizing someone for using another operating system is retarded. to each their own.
    • ramsinks.com, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2um, VX2 is easy to clean man.
      please.
    • leeg, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16"If you want to try Vista without installing it, try the following link: http://www.vistatestdrive.com/

      You are remotely connected to a computer running Vista and you can mess around with the features and get the feel of the OS. I think that you only get to try out Business but that's good enough for me. Give it a try (and use Internet Explorer)."

      So I go to try out Vista and it tells me I need IE 6.0 and ActiveX...I guess it's not a switch campaign because it wouldn't load on my Ubuntu box. You think that they would at least of had it cross-platform capable to make it easier for users of other OS's to try their new and improved version of Winblows!
    • vornan19, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Dug by someone who runs Linux and has purposely crippled his windows installation. Just for the fun of it.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -14/+14"simplicity has always been Apple strong point and Microsoft weak point. I'm an XP user for 4 years and currently using Vista Business (Action Pack member::) edition. I really dont see the point of so many version of Vista. They really could do away with atleast the ***** home basic version. I think OsX is a better OS than Vista, but you're limit yourself to Mac hardware and software which is the main reason i'm still with Vista atm. I just got done building my new system with a core2duo, 2gig ram, 7600gs, and a 22in screen for under $1000, thats $500 less than a 20' Mac."

      While I commend your efforts and credit your honesty, I myself would rather use that 20" iMac than build a PC any day. Most Mac guys think like this, and consumers are starting to come round to this way of thinking too I think. I'd be working on my second website, in a more secure and more user-friendly environment by the time you get done building your PC, to me that is most definitely worth an extra $500 anyday. Not to mention there's lots of people that would bet lots of money that your computer would go down first.
    • sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+48@ To those saying Mac OS X is more expensive then Windows
      Windows Vista Ultimate costs more then a Mac Mini with Leopard installed in Europe.
    • babyphatman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Dugg by someone running an Altair 8800.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -6/+86Digg by someone running from a fat woman.
    • northerncomfort, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14Dugg by somebody who's typing on an Optimus keyboard.
    • panique, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Buried from my Altair 8800. I punched the web browser into RAM one byte at a time via the front panel so I could view digg.
    • KitarP, on 10/12/2007, -4/+114Dugg by someone using FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8.
    • MackAttack87, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Dugg by someone running XP with an OSX theme....................sigh
    • tdilworth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Dugg by someone using an IBM XT, running an Intel 8088
    • bmwboy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23Dugg by someone using a computer.
    • therealduckie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Dugg by someone using a TRS-80
    • aetherworld, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Dugg by someone using OSX Pirate Bay version.
    • avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+67Dugg by someone with a shovel!

    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4^LOL^
      Dougless by someone without a shovel.
    • marcamillion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ JavertHolmes
      "The best thing about pirated copies of windows is that you can potentially get a free keylogger pre-wired into the CD image as an added bonus. Digg me down if you want, but there is no pirate group out there willing to guarantee your security. If you do pirate software, you should be doing it on a PC which has no internet/LAN connections whatsoever. If not, you're just opening yourself up to being part of a botnet or otherwise."

      If any such keyloggers are detected, the rls WILL be nuked and propered. Maybe getting the first rls isn't the best option, but waiting until everyone gets it, checks it out and certifies that it is "legit".

      Dugg by someone running Windows Vista Pirate Version Propered.
    • Musaffa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Coming from a neutral party, it never ceases to amaze me how extreme the MS/Apple fanboyizm is of the Digg community. Every time I peruse through one of the endless “your OS sucks” threads I picture the scene from Anchorman where all of the various networks meet in the ally with completely absurd weapons and totally pointless reasons of why they hate each other. While it always makes me laugh, it’s unfortunate that no one has been killed with a trident yet.
    • joestump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ZakMcRofl Depends on the hash you're using. I wouldn't exactly be trusting MD5's these days http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5#Collisions
    • stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Dugg by someone who can admit he likes XP, but agrees, Microsoft is going to confuse consumers and even make more of them consider OSX.
    • mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Dugg by someone using Ubuntu.

      Feisty Fawn, no less.
    • leaffan1973, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Ha Ha Ok we get it Mac OS X is the best! Apple rules! Yada yada! Max OS is still the number 3 when it comes to OS's so do you think MS gives a *****? You Mac guys are turds.
    • BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2OSX, you say? Would it be Tiger, Panther, Jaguar or....
    • diggimator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@BESTenemy

      Tiger is the only OS X version on sale. The other ones are outdated.
    • dilberter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Dugg by someone running.
    • PZoned, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ KitarP

      You really just made my day... really.

      I actually have that CD-Key memorized. :)
    • PabloIV, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Dugg from a heavily modified abacus
    • rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3"The best thing about pirated copies of windows is that you can potentially get a free keylogger pre-wired into the CD image as an added bonus. Digg me down if you want, but there is no pirate group out there willing to guarantee your security. If you do pirate software, you should be doing it on a PC which has no internet/LAN connections whatsoever. If not, you're just opening yourself up to being part of a botnet or otherwise."

      ...

      BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Wow. You have no idea how pirating groups work. GTFO my internets.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Dugg someone.
    • DvS01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dugg while playing dig dug.
  • phantomstealth, on 10/12/2007, -100/+43This made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks for posting the truth!!!!
    • SlackerCSB, on 10/12/2007, -27/+167A bet a dog chasing its tail makes you laugh pretty hard too.
    • Br0wn, on 10/12/2007, -21/+111along with the comedy of Dane Cook
    • tonich03, on 10/12/2007, -116/+13dogs are O.K.
    • tonich03, on 10/12/2007, -137/+10haha I love how my comment got buried. Someone saw "dogs are ok" and said: oh man, that's not right - bury.
      Haha I love how diggers are overall RETARDED,
    • Nodren, on 10/12/2007, -5/+48@tonich03:

      how about the fact you were dugg down because your comment made no sense... "dogs are O.K." what does that even mean? no one was saying otherwise.
    • drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -4/+67@tonich03

      I didn't dig you down because your comment was "not right," I dugg it down because it was stupid.
    • michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24or a monkey washing a cat.
    • xipotec, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3"haha I love how my comment got buried. Someone saw "dogs are ok" and said: oh man, that's not right - bury."

      Thats exactly what I thought, and I stand by it.
    • royall64, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4@tonich03

      You're saying diggers are retarded, but aren't YOU a digger?
    • MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3It's a shame that you can't run OSX on a non-Apple computer, because this cartoon would have been a lot funnier, and I might actually consider running it.
    • RandomGuySteve, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3"You're saying diggers are retarded, but aren't YOU a digger?"

      I'd say that most digg users are either prepubescent or simply lack a lot of maturity, either which leads to being a crappy blog poster /website designer.

      That being said, I like the comment above that said "As the guy is recommending osx for a pc, I can only assume he works at best buy."

    • royall64, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What I meant to say was:

      If all diggers are retarded, and you're a digger, then you are retarded. Good job.

      Damn English language structure.
    • mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@tonich03: "Haha I love how diggers are overall RETARDED,"

      How right you are. QED.
  • kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -13/+140You can install osx on pc?
    • nhassan, on 10/12/2007, -32/+22yeh, you can install os x on pc.
    • phmfthacim, on 10/12/2007, -22/+9you could if you were a l33t h4x0r
    • noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -16/+48In a perfect world, you could buy a retail copy of OS X and install it on whatever you want... But that would just be wayyy too convenient.
    • SamsLembas, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33I hear you can without much of a problem. However, some apps won't work, and isn't the point of using a Mac that everything will work? Might as well just use Linux instead.
    • nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17It's like Rogers telling me to switch to Windows/IE6 to view my bill online, in PDF format. Surprisingly people think that advice like that will solve others' problems.

      (The kicker is that it worked on any browser on any OS that I use until some "upgrade" ... assholes)
    • tateswayz91, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5It wasn't a real life event it was just a joke.
    • kris33, on 10/12/2007, -11/+50Running OS X on pc is no problem today and all apps work perfect. Stable and fast as hell, atleast for me. It runs as great as on my MacBook.

      More information here:
      http://osx86project.org/

      Download: http://www.mininova.org/tor/535916
      then
      http://www.demonoid.com/details.php?torrent_id=597215&3876110/
    • soogy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3http://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=os%20x%20x86&what=search&page=0&orderby=se
    • kris33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here is a guide posted(and written) by Scheissenegger, but unfortunately he replied to the wrong post.

      http://www.profit42.com/index.php/2006/12/09/vistaosx-1048-dual-boot-on-intelamd/
    • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Running OS X on pc is no problem today and all apps work perfect."

      As long as you have a supported GPU and a CPU which supports SSE3 natively. Otherwise you'll have to use patched version and the more patches the less 'perfect'. That said I run it on my PIV with no particular problem except that games usually crash even though other opengl apps work. For my day job I use a real mac, but it's cool to have it on your little home server without having to buy a new machine.
    • mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@noseeme: "In a perfect world, you could buy a retail copy of OS X and install it on whatever you want... But that would just be wayyy too convenient."

      No, it would just be wayyy too bloated in able to handle all the countless internal hardware configurations possible with PCs. This is one of the major advantages of Macs over PCs; the OS is streamlined to be super efficient in regards to its specific hardware. Of course, it also has fantastic external hardware support, but that's far more standardized than internal hardware drivers.

      And in a perfect world, everything would be free and perfect, and there would be no arguments of one system being better than another; they would all be awesome. So who cares about what things are like in a perfect world?
    • mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, I should qualify that last statement by noting that the Mac OS efficiency is a major advantage for those that don't need to constantly add or replace internal hardware. This may not be the case in business situations or similar scenarios, which is why Microsoft continues to hold the market share in that sector.
    • Aninhumer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Are you saying that it's impossible for mac osx to support all the hardware, that everyone else already supports?
  • damndj, on 10/12/2007, -95/+11Marked inaccurate. They all come on the same CD.
    • nhassan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41yeh, but the serials change what you can install
    • gert2, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2What?!? Go jump in a river after you come out from under your rock.
    • netnifty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22You still have to choose which version you want, and therefore what box you want, so the cartoon is accurate.
    • TheAkolyte, on 10/12/2007, -5/+174This is a comic. How the ***** do you mark a comic as inaccurate?!
    • mikepictor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22not really the point is it? It's a joke, not a news report.
    • gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"What?!? Go jump in a river after you come out from under your rock."

      He's right though. You do realize one can just download the ISO, install the version you want, and then buy the key online right? (Actually, that wouldn't have been a bad marketing idea. Give all stores free Vista disks which they will give away for free to customers and have the users pay to be able to activate it.)
    • Rapishorrid, on 10/12/2007, -42/+38It's a joke, but it isn't funny. Honestly am I the only one who is tired of this "I love apple" crap on digg?
    • joelmole, on 10/12/2007, -1/+102"Marked inaccurate. They all come on the same CD."

      Your comment marked as inaccurate. They all come on the same *DVD*

      ....If you're going to be a pedantic nitpicker.
    • nmathew, on 10/12/2007, -22/+15@Rapishorrid

      Quiet you, or you'll bet burried by the fanboys.
    • alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -13/+94"Honestly am I the only one who is tired of this "I love apple" crap on digg?"

      This is my favorite Joy of Tech comic:
      http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/796.gif
      :)
    • RandomSkratch, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5@joelmole

      dugg for "pedantic"

    • actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ alwaysmc2

      That's an almost verbatum retooling of an SNL sketch featuring William Shatner at a Star Trek convention. Check out the original if you can...it's funnier.
    • kb0x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I'm going to mark it as inaccurate too... Those aren't even real people.
    • Barryke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Point is stil valid!

      Lets compare this to Linux..
      that'd be about 100, if i'd stick to english mainsteam distributions only.
      Source: http://www.linux.org/dist/list.html

      /marked lame
  • Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -17/+12That was hilarious!
    • Vironex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11No it wasn't. I only smiled on the inside.
    • matt0baba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I laughed Quietly to myself ( LQTM)
    • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Isn't that known as the British LOL ?
  • SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -12/+12Who the hell cares if they "all come on the same CD." The point of this was not to show that, it was a parady of the many versions of Vista. Marked accurate.
    • gert2, on 10/12/2007, -27/+21. They don't come on CDs, they come on DVDs.
      2. They don't come on the same DVD.
      3. The point was that you have to buy the version you want instead of getting them all on the same disc.
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They do indeed come on one DVD (though not in the same box).
    • aguilera, on 10/12/2007, -3/+81- you must be a hoot in parties!
      2-bleh...
    • gert2, on 10/12/2007, -12/+0Yes, each version comes on its own single DVD, but not every version is on one DVD. Why am i getting dugg down?
    • wheaty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@gert

      Each box has the same DVD in it. The cd key is what allows you to install one version over the other but they all are on every DVD.
    • cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4wheaty,

      The Enterprise version is not installable from the same DVD as the rest.
  • noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -19/+4Yep. That's called "Getting the MicroShaft."
  • EddT81, on 10/12/2007, -44/+11Change OSX to Linux in that comic and I'll laugh.
    • DarthSupero, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30*sigh* Fanboys...
    • Reziarfg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Not to be accused of feeding the trolls, but.
      The point of this comic has nothing to do with the opposing OS, rather that OSX happens to only be one version.
      As a matter of fact, the various flavors/distros of Linux would be antithetical to the comic.
    • wing05, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Too many Linux distros...

      How's about changing it to FreeBSD and you'll laugh. 8)
  • kllrfoot, on 10/12/2007, -31/+4Ubuntu... whoota
    • diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+56Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu 32-bit, Ubuntu-64bit, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xbuntu, or Ubuntu Christian Version?
    • GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17You missed Satanic Edition and Flubuntu.

      //edit - not to mention things like eBuntu//
    • SAOSiN, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1christian?
    • diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Look it up. Maybe God runs Linux, I don't know.
    • strabes, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6@diggsit: Your comment would be correct if all of those "versions" were 1) not free and 2) provided different amounts of functionality. The only thing multiple versions of linux do is give the user more freedom of choice, not added functionality if you buy the better version.
    • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"christian?"

      It's basically like a jew. Except they think God loves them.
    • sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know why you all digging strabes down, he is 100% right
  • bkraft, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Classic
  • SleeStaK911, on 10/12/2007, -30/+0OMG, if my wife caught me looking at this, I would be more shamed than if she caught me looking at 16YO prOn!
    Geek more?!
    • Jeifurie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36OMG, you don't have a wife.
    • westoncampbell, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6@SleeStaK911

      Were you confessing that you DO look at kiddie porn? I think so...
  • marcusb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Truth is, most people will be interested in only 2 versions- Home Premium or Business. Home Basic is for aging hardware essentially, Ultimate is for enthusiasts or business users who may also like to use media center and enterprise won't be on the shelf at local stores and the right people will know if they want that version. This cartoon is dumb.
    • GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9No when it gets hacked properly everyone will be running Ultimate. Personally I'm abstaining from going near Vista until I can hack out the DRM.
    • JustinPM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, a good amount of folks will be interested in Ultimate for a good reason. I've read that if you get Ultimate, you two licenses for Home Premium for $50 a piece. Pretty nice and cheap.
    • marcusb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've read that too; but haven't found it from an official source. Hopefully it is true.
    • gordigor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For those looking for the official announcement of the family pack deal:

      http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-17ConsumerOptionsPR.mspx
  • flag564, on 11/08/2007, -17/+202Hi, I would like to install Linux. F**k M$!

    Ok, which one would you like?
    Ubuntu
    Xubuntu
    Puppy
    SUSE
    Red Hat
    Knoppix
    Gentoo
    Xandros
    PC linux
    Arch
    Ark
    Zen Walk
    Edubuntu
    Kubuntu
    bio
    blackcat
    DSL
    Leetnux?

    Um, never mind, just give me the Vista with Gate's siginuture
    • gert2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44Which version of Vista with Gate's signature?
    • aragami, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3i found that amusing so i dugg you up, no doubt everyone else will do the opposite :-)

      @ qert

      the only one that has gates signature on? like windows vista home premium numbered signed edition or something
    • gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Which version of Vista with Gate's signature?"

      There's only one. Vista Ultimate Edition (upgrade. Wow. A signed upgrade edition. One would think they would've made the full version with signatures, not the upgrade. God bless MS Marketing and their unusual tactics.)
    • diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+53I'll take all the Linux. How much?
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30"'ll take all the Linux. How much?"

      How much you got?
    • Noobuntu, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4Flag, there is a real difference between all of those linux distros. Most of them have huge GUI changes between them & they are coming from different organizations. Plus 90% of linux distros don't cost anything.

      Vista on the other hand has the same gui but a features taken out on the cheaper versions, but its all the os.
    • payshunz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2...or you could buy OS X...
    • diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Cheaper Versions? How much are those?
    • titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4That's the main reason why (at least in my opinion) Linux won't be a huge hit amongst consumers on a massive scale, way too many versions. With Vista, consumers will just use basic versions or whatever comes on their PC. If you're Tech savvy then you are going to care about the many versions of Vista but the average joe will get the version recommended by Geek Squad at Best Buy.
    • Soave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think we've shown that it's better to have more choices; you obviously want to install the version of Linux that best suits your needs. Hence, you want to install the edition of Windows that best suits your needs. I don't see why that's such a bad thing.
    • Kazbaeden, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Soave has it right. Microsoft here is offering choices to consumers and they're getting so much flak for it. I'll tell you I was 100% more confused when I tried to get into linux; They didn't make it easy at all to decide which distro to go for, and when I went to the community for help, my question would always turn into a flame war about which distro was best.

      It's pretty obvious with vista which one is meant for you.

      * Windows Vista Home Basic - Get this if you want vista but don't want to pay a lot
      * Windows Vista Home Premium - Get this if you want vista but don't want to shell out for ultimate
      * Windows Vista Ultimate - Get this if you are a power user
      * Windows Vista Business - Get this if you're a business
      * Windows Vista Enterprise - Get this if you're an enterprise
      * Windows Vista Starter - Get this if you live in a third world country

      I really don't understand how it could be easier without removing the choice from the customer.
    • waxdart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"I really don't understand how it could be easier without removing the choice from the customer."

      Umm... maybe by eliminating some of the needless segmentation in their product line. Especially when that segmentation is based purely on MSFTs bottom line. By selling "premium" and "ultimate" versions of the software they're picking up a few extra dollars, sure, but at the expense of all of this ridiculousness.

      Honestly, just bite the bullet and include the whiz-bangs in the standard consumer package. The positive PR would pay off.
    • horanghee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"* Windows Vista Home Basic - Get this if you want vista but don't want to pay a lot
      * Windows Vista Home Premium - Get this if you want vista but don't want to shell out for ultimate"


      hahaha I saw what you did there.
    • macinbest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/199.gif
    • blizzok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Kazbaeden, Linux is a learning experience. It's for geeks, by geeks. Just choose something, and if you don't like it, try something else.

      Oh BTW, after installation do a "sudo rm -rf /". It brings up a nifty config panel.
    • grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3... Ubuntu, a good choice sir.

      Would you like KDE, Gnome, .....
    • tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm sorry but that little explanation didn't really help me. I mean honestly, how the hell can you tell if you are a power user? Where do you draw the line between power user and regular user?
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"There's only one. Vista Ultimate Edition (upgrade. Wow. A signed upgrade edition. One would think they would've made the full version with signatures, not the upgrade. God bless MS Marketing and their unusual tactics.)"

      Admit it: if they'd made the full version with Gates's signature, you'd be pissing and moaning that to get the one with Gates's signature you had to buy a full version when all you needed was an upgrade.
    • linuxeventually, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@blizzok
      Its people like you that keep users from switching to linux. Yea cause its good advice to tell someone to delete their ROOT directory.

      Ubuntu users especially simply copy any line of code into terminal. So anyway sudo gives you temporary root user (administrator) permision. rm is remove. -r removes everything in the directory. and / is the root directory which typically is the ROUGHLY the equivalent to C: So after installing, you would then delete everything.
  • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -40/+16Marked as lame. The customer clearly states he wants Home Basic. The only valid question after that was Full or Upgrade. The rest is a poor attempt at humorous exaggeration and free advertising to Macintosh.

    Waiting to get Dugg down for not the ridding the anti-Microsoft poopo-train in 3...2...1...
    • aguilera, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16no, you will be dug down for you anal way of life, it's just a comic strip!
    • Gryph1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10You really didn't look at the comic too well did you? He didn't say what version he wanted, it might be near him but the bubble is not coming from him it's just extended from what the clerk is saying.
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1"no, you will be dug down for you anal way of life"

      As if you have known for years /rolls eyes

      "it's just a comic strip!"

      LOL! And a lame one.
    • gk128, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The customer just stated they wanted Vista. Not which build. The bubble from the salesman just seems to look like the customer is saying it.
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3"You really didn't look at the comic too well did you? He didn't say what version he wanted"

      Second bubble: "no problem which one would you like?"

      Third bubble: "Microsoft Windows Visa Home Basic"

      Sounds like he knows what he wants.
    • willwnet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6
      The third bubble is coming from the salesman!
    • SpoonDogSVT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6- Third bubble: "Microsoft Windows Visa Home Basic"
      - Sounds like he knows what he wants.

      Um, nope. The customer's only lines are in the first and last frames ("I'd like to buy..." and "...which do you recommend?"). The rest of the text is shown to be spoken by the salesperson.
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1"The third bubble is coming from the salesman!"

      EEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      lol!
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3I think its time we request a disinterested third-party arbiter to mediate this dispute.
    • wafflemania, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Third party mediator says: orbit loses. Go kill yourself.
    • AphyX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Learn to read comics..
      http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1879/pictbhnk3.jpg
      Its quite obvious which person is talking.
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2"Go kill yourself."

      Go choke on a ***** *****.

      8======D 0-:)
    • Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1The cartoon was written by an Apple fan-boy so of course it has obvious falls that any astute obsever would notice, but they then you should give them the benefit of the doubt because Macs are SOOOOOO 1337!!!!!

      GO APPLE!!!

    • tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Alright now I'll try to explain this clearly for you...
      When reading a comic, each character usually has a 'speech bubble.' Each speech bubble belongs to a certain character in the comic. Now here's where it gets tricky, to tell which bubble belongs to which character, there is a small triangular protrusion from the bubble that points to the character. If the bubbles are connected (ie. don't have a line separating them) then they are all coming from the same character, again identified by the triangular protrusion coming from the bubble.

      I hope that helped.
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ tylerni7:

      Can you repeat that?
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nevermind.
  • CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8Yay more abnoxious fanboy crap. Maybe that would be funny if I didn't read that in the comments every time I check digg anyways.
    • clackerd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6speel chekk dude. it makes you sound intelligenter.
  • scratched, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I work at Staples so I have to answer all kinds of questions about Vista. This is one of the things that really annoys me about microsoft. Even a lot of the employees can't remember the versions and all of the differences between them. It's ridiculous. I understand that it makes things cheaper for the end consumer, but that's all it does. Nothing is "easier" really.

    And the worst part is that they sell you a DVD with everything on it. It's not like it really costs more for MS to distribute ultimate, they're the same thing. The only real difference in the physical tangible product is the Product Key.

    I don't hate microsoft, but a lot of things they pull like having so many different keys for different versions of windows (even the same edition, like the several different kinds of keys for Windows XP pro so that you can't install XP with different CDs) and having the WGA validation that doesn't work quite too well all the time, and the product activations that don't work after so many installs. It's very annoying to say the least. I like the products themselves though, it's just their business tactics that I really can't stand.
    • krisper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft's counting on people doing the "easy upgrade" thing, which is fairly cheap for individual users, but which I'm sure they've number-crunched to show will actually generate more income than the cost of releasing multiple versions.
    • scratched, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4fir3ball:

      My point is that they charge different amounts for the same IP based on the label they stamp on the disc. The OS has been designed already and MS is going to get paid no matter how they split up the versions.

      I personally wish they would go back to the days of windows 98/95, etc. where you get the whole OS. Perhaps if they just let you change the profile settings based on if you want to use the OS for home, business, or other. That way the home user doesn't have to deal with business related features, but they're there if you want them to be.
    • agimat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2No wonder you're stuck working at Staples.
    • scratched, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@agimat:

      Who said I was "stuck" working at staples?

      I work there to pay for college. I could easily get a job working for a bigger company making more money programming software or being a unix admin but then I wouldn't have time to go to school and do homework to get that nice piece of paper that makes most people's salaries become bigger. I work at staples because it's close, I can work less hours, and I can sell something that comes naturally to me. I have no problem remembering the differences between vista versions and office versions, but a lot of people at the store do. That's why I don't like Microsoft's idea of having 4 different commercial versions (8 if you count the upgrade edition) and even more if you count the corporate editions.

      Then again, Linux has over 100 distros, they just don't charge you $400.
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"My point is that they charge different amounts for the same IP based on the label they stamp on the disc. The OS has been designed already and MS is going to get paid no matter how they split up the versions."

      Yes, the OS has been designed already. There's this thing called cost-benefit analysis that goes on when the decisions are made regarding implementing additional features in future versions. They don't charge more for the label, they charge more for the key that activates the features, which means they charge more for the features. You know this because you said it, but then you turn around and oversimplify.

      Consider XP MCE. That was a separate SKU you had to pay more for in the XP product line. Now it's something you can get in multiple SKUs of Vista depending on what other features you need. The SKUs purchased also let consumers spend less, and thus contribute less toward the recovery of development cost in Vista, based on what consumers want and need.

      In addition, this makes it possible for people to upgrade more easily if they choose to do so later. This means less hardcopy production cost since the consumer can buy an upgrade key. It's good business sense. And I bet with a little bit of studying, it won't be hard for you to explain this to any customer who asks.
    • scratched, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1saska:

      The difference between Windows XP MCE and Windows Vista is that Vista (no matter what version you buy) comes with essentially the same binary data on the disc. Different versions of windows XP (as far as I know, after SP2) don't do that. They sell different products.

      Obviously the different versions have different features that are beneficial to different people, but the OS was designed with all of those features in mind and then those features were later split up amongst the different versions by way of product key as a way to sell 4 different products (and more than that if you count the variations of the versions)
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2scratched:

      My point is that you are not buying the data on the disc. You are not purchasing the intellectual property. You are purchasing a license that permits you to use certain functionality in the operating system. Thus you only have to pay for the things that you want and you can pay less than someone who wants everything on the disk enabled. What license people purchase will tell Microsoft which features are important to home users. This is part of the cost-benefit analysis and it is also a nod to consumers who don't need all the bells and whistles, a way of not socking them for the same retail price as a power user with a giant media center.

      Whether or not you like this method of selling software is not a conversation I'm having, by the way. I'm just saying that the argument "but it's all on the same disk" is a non-sequitur.
  • jasonpoon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Maybe the best salesman in the world lol
    One question...who wants the "Limited Numbered Signature Edition"...are there 20000 Bill's fans?
    • jus1haz2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Its cheaper than the normal vista ultimate
  • krisper, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Now THAT's funny. Give that salesman a raise.
  • Grumps, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Er Linux?
  • alexace, on 10/12/2007, -31/+26I have used OS X. I am now running vista ultimate (32 bit). Vista blows OS X out of the water. Please, don't trash vista unless you have actually used it. and I am talking about RTM, not the ***** betas.
    • orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17"Please, don't trash vista unless you have actually used it."

      Now! Now! You are asking waaaaay too much!

      /sarcasm
    • payshunz, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23"I have used OS X"

      Yeah, sure, for the 5 minutes a friend let you sit at HIS Mac.

      From what I've read and how I use my computer, Vista looks like it will almost be on par with OS X Tiger. Of course, Leopard will be quite the improvement. I might put Vista on my Windoze machine in the basement, as it should be an improvement over XP SP2, which gives me problems. When, that is, Vista SP1 comes out.

      Hasta la Vista, Vista
    • carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5I think you mean HER mac
    • waxdart, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22"I have used OS X. I am now running vista ultimate (32 bit). Vista blows OS X out of the water. Please, don't trash vista unless you have actually used it. and I am talking about RTM, not the ***** betas."

      I have used the Vista RTM. Extensively (doing contracting work for MSFT). I'm an OS X user at home. And if you think Vista is a better product... you're fooling yourself. It has some nice ideas built in, most of which are watered-down versions of what it _should_ have been, and most of the whiz-bang features are badly-implemented versions of OS X. Search is nice, but Flip 3D is a joke. Aero glass is purdy, but useless. And the gadgets? Like I want _more_ noise on my desktop? Would be nice to at least have the option of viewing them as an abstracted desktop layer.

    • rytr23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8The RIAA and MPAA thank you for making the right decision...
    • Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I have used Vista and am now running Windows 3.1. 3.1 blows Vista out of the water.

      Weeee I can also make comments like that :). Seriousness aside, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I like VIsta, I think it's a step forward (once all the driver issues are take care of by the respective hardware companies) yet I still like OSX. It is not because I'm more confortable on OSX because its what I've used all my life or anything; I just switched to OSX about a year ago, I just like it better.
    • clontzman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7"Yeah, sure, for the 5 minutes a friend let you sit at HIS Mac.

      From what I've read and how I use my computer,Vista looks like it will almost be on par with OS X Tiger"

      Heh... so in other words, you bust on the guy for trashing OS X without ever having used it, right before you rag on Vista without ever having used it? Well done.
  • oogee, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1some things are funny because they are true, but this proves that things which are true are not always funny. In fact, it's that kind of humour that makes it impossible for me to identify with mac fanboys.
    I'm pissed that loading that page brought the universe closer to heat death . . .
  • otaleks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'd rather get Vista Ultimate
    • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Is that the one with Jean-Claude Van Damme?
  • RealHyperX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28Trying out vista is what made me get my first Mac in over 20 years of PC ownerships. Thanks Microsoft for showing me the way.
  • Verdanic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Retarded in the manner that those are choices and don't make the product suck, but it made me laugh.
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, but the choice is: how would you like your software to be disabled.
  • bdawg923, on 11/07/2007, -3/+5mirrors

    http://i3.tinypic.com/2ngzibm.gif
    http://sixpop.com/images/images/35574466.gif
  • Snaggy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Aw Smartpants, ... we do appreciate that you like the comic, but please link to our html pages, rather than just the image.
    :-(

    http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/915.html
    • sxtxixtxcxh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15i came in here just to say that it's horribly rude to direct link to the gif like that. the only thing worse would be to have blogged it, hot linked the img, and then submitted the blog post.
    • Goosemaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1agreed.
  • xizax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I thought every version of Vista from Home Premium up comes with both 64 bit and 32 bit, not just the business and ultimate. Still this version thing is really confusing, even for IT people.

    Dont forget you got the Enterprise version and the Sever version which I think are diffenret too.
    • cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No more confusing than Windows XP Tablet Edition, Media Center Edition, XP Embedded, Home, Pro, and Starter.

      Those were not confusing because most people did not have to deal directly with all the versions, just as in the case of Vista, most people will only have to deal with the choice between Business and Home Premium editions, with Ultimate as the kitchen sink version. 64-bit will be more attractive initially with IT and enthusiasts who want to push for more support of 64-bit systems.

      The Enterprise version is only available to businesses that purchase it as part of a volume license, and the Server verision is still in Beta, expected to be out later this year.
  • brainded, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14This would be funny IF you could buy OS X and install on any machine...
    • Mekun, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6I guess the fanboi's forgot that.
    • zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Then Apple will be out of business again.
  • Snaggy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1or better yet, dig the original digg. :-)

    http://digg.com/apple/Hilarious_new_Joy_of_Tech_comic_Decisions_decisions
  • randomvictim, on 10/12/2007, -21/+3OS X, for users to ignorant too even know which version of the superior OS they should use for their home computer.
    • payshunz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"OS X, for users to ignorant too even know which version of the superior OS they should use for their home computer. "

      how about "...for users too ignorant to even..."

      What say we just chalk that one up to ignorance.
    • waxdart, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Mac OS X, for users who have better things to do with their lives than sift through unnecessary product divisions"

      ^^ I fixed it for you.
    • aladdinhourani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2you are a moron at best.
  • aceslick911, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10but... MAC OS X... SUX!!?!! *runs*
  • Mr.Chainsaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2/sarcasm

    I dont get it.
  • hostilefreak, on 10/12/2007, -19/+6Haha, digg...
    Are you laughing at Vista because it gives to the users the choice to buy the features they want on the platform they want?
  • NWFackler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4that clerk is one smart cookie
  • swoopdog, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3why not just stick with XP?

    also the guy wearing the purple shirt is the one recommending MAC OS X

    just something to think about.
  • theNEOone, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4I get the feeling that people are generally getting dumber and dumber. What's wrong with having OPTIONS?!?!? "Oh no, I have to choose??! I think me head is going to explode."

    Macs are increasing in their popularity because they appeal to the largest common denominator.

    The iPhone is damn neat though....too bad it runs OSX.
    • waxdart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You mean like people who don't know the term _LOWEST_ common denominator?
  • sefirot66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Dugg as FUN!
  • veeshy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Bhahahahh!
  • IGotApluscom, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0ahahah Mac OS X... i dont like mac but that was funny !
  • NavySeal, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4HAHA I love that last comment from the salesman
    So which one do you prefer.... Mac OS X
    • Mekun, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2YA to bad he cant run it on his PC. doh......
    • BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@Mekun
      What you digg him down for the truth, god damn fanboys are blind. You can not build a PC and run OS X on it, belive me I wish you could. If you could I would actually use OS X but you can't so, Apples loss.
    • Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7HAHAH yea, i love jokes with punch lines!!! HAHAHAHAH A
  • MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I just got Vista Business in the mail the other day. Didn't pay a cent for it. Thank you Microsoft.
  • rjodwyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've tried business and ultimate from msdn.microsoft.com, i prefer business as ultimate only has a couple of extras i dont use, like media center
  • MahRain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It's funny how people respond with "for Mac OS X you have to buy a new computer" while for Vista, in most cases, you also have to get new hardware!
    • aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4well, (apparently) OSX will install fine on my PC, but Vista needs two hardware upgrades. Whats up with that?
    • gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12 pieces of hardware is much cheaper than buying a whole new computer.
    • steven401, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1800mhz processor, 512mb RAM and 10GB hard drive - please tell me you don't meet those requirements.
  • uniacid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not to mention Vista doesn't fully work for some people, like me because of certain unfinished drivers.... cough* nvidia *cough
  • scjones, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0FAKE
  • abhorsen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Installing vista just vies your pcc to RIAA and MPAA big mistake.
  • dAbReAkA, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1i didnt find that funny.. marked as spam..
    • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Spam?

      Why not mark it as child abuse while you are a it? It's supposed to be a comic...
  • dn11, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2Mac Fanbois: keepin it real stupid since 1984
    • clackerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Mac hating window-philes: supplying used, worn-out, unoriginal quips to bulletin boards since 1984.
    • 10scott10, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2here are your winnings sir

      (casablanca reference)
    • dn11, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Touche sir, touche.

      hey listen, we all know windows has it's problems but some of us are forced to use so we can um... eat and stuff. Can't the Mac Elitists have some compassion instead of always adding insult to injury? I don't hate Macs or OS X - I think the recent generations are great products. The problem is the users - most of the flame wars I see are started by the Apple Zealots with their "I'm too cool for the room" attitude. I'm just sayin...
  • kilodelta, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8oh look, a microsoft bashing!
    apple fanboys ganging up?
    linux fanboys chiming in?

    on digg?

    i'm shocked!

    what has this world come to?



    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What are you talking about? The ratio of Sensitive Microsofties to everyone else is at least 10 to 1 on this thread.
  • tanuki0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows slapping...that's just insane!!
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