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Hilarious 'Don't Give Up on Vista' Web Ad from Apple
macrumors.com — Several readers have noted a new web-only advertisement from Apple that has appeared on a number of sites, including News.com, Engadget.com, and PCMag.com. The Apple advertisement features "Mac" and "PC" as played by Justin Long and John Hodgman in a web ad composed of two separate components. T...
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- mongushu, on 11/21/2007, -60/+321fanboys, on your marks, get set, GO!
- P373Y, on 11/21/2007, -48/+34vista is not as bad as you think
- metapop, on 11/21/2007, -31/+78it's worse.
- simg, on 11/21/2007, -4/+14great advertising copy.
*insert product name here* is not as bad as you think ... - Verdanic, on 11/21/2007, -5/+5I like how you assume that nobody who hates it has tried it and come to realize that it really is terrible for themselves.
- MagicCake, on 11/21/2007, -2/+3You do know that's the case 9 times out of 10, right? Most of the haters don't know what the ***** they're talking about.
- Verdanic, on 11/21/2007, -1/+2Everybody I know who dislikes vista (literally everybody I know who knows what Vista is) either has it and has gotten rid of it or has it and wishes they could get rid of it.
- moush, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1do they give a valid reason?
- Verdanic, on 11/22/2007, -0/+2Resource intensive for the sake of no apparent performance increase, incredibly intrusive and annoying security measures unnecessary on an XP install protected by a third party antivirus client, dumbed down and much more difficult to navigate system preferences, ugly, etc. Everything's been covered by the online community and I agree with most of the complaints.
- cowboy86, on 11/21/2007, -8/+14Fanboy is an Apple patented word.
- chesscat, on 11/22/2007, -1/+0I looked up the word retard in the dictionary and saw your photo next to the definition. Check it out here:
www.cowboy86isaretard.com
- chesscat, on 11/22/2007, -1/+0I looked up the word retard in the dictionary and saw your photo next to the definition. Check it out here:
- drastik21, on 11/21/2007, -3/+16I've been using and supporting Windows for the past 10 years and I have to admit, Vista blows
- Spanktacular, on 11/21/2007, -14/+79You may be right, but that's some clever webvertising right there. Witty, topical, and nice leveraging of current technologies. Oh, and it didn't obfuscate the entire web page to do it, either!
- HonoredMule, on 11/21/2007, -2/+21Non-intrusive too (defaults to no audio, no flashy animation or livid colors). I'm generally anti-Apple in sentiment, but that was beautifully done. Ripping a new one in Vista doesn't take any skin off my back, either.
- combatchuck, on 11/21/2007, -5/+16Webvertising is not a ***** word.
- thetanman, on 11/21/2007, -7/+4Oh, and obfuscate is? *What?* Well, I'm being told it is. We'll be right back.
- over90000, on 11/21/2007, -30/+9Just read some of the Leopard problems posted in that thread from non-fanboy apple users. Leopard is no better than Vista.
- luchid, on 11/21/2007, -6/+13So you're saying that a bug that caused data loss when using a non-standard way of moving data between shares, a few issues with spaces and time machine -even when the whole system runs much faster than Tiger did, even on older systems- is the same as the compatibility, performance and stability nightmare that was vista?
- over90000, on 11/21/2007, -13/+6yes, it was because first of the compatibility problems are due to the hardware makers and not MS, and second the performance and stability problems have all been fixed by now. If you read around the macrumor forums you will find plenty of people still complaining about the statibility of their Leopard.
- rspeed, on 11/21/2007, -0/+4The performance issues have been fixed?
- smoger, on 11/21/2007, -9/+9most of the "compatibility, performance, and stability" problems associated with Vista are myths, or at best, misplaced blame based on shoddy computer configurations. my Vista box, for example, runs 24/7 and only gets rebooted for system updates or when 3rd party software asks me to.
before you scream fanboy.. this comment was written on my Macbook - Audacitor, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1&smoger:
Of course it runs good on a Macbook. Macbooks, unlike HP and Dell crap out there, have had their hardware specially made to work with each other. Other systems are just this hard drive from that country and that RAM from that state and so on. And because of this, it's gonna be a few years before affordable systems can run Vista without slowing down.
- over90000, on 11/21/2007, -13/+6yes, it was because first of the compatibility problems are due to the hardware makers and not MS, and second the performance and stability problems have all been fixed by now. If you read around the macrumor forums you will find plenty of people still complaining about the statibility of their Leopard.
- jmlambe, on 11/21/2007, -4/+3i'm sorry but your statement that leopard is no better than vista is plain false. read some reviews and do some research. neither is flawless but it's hard to find any review from anyone respected in the technology field that would suggest that vista and leopard are comparable as of their current state today.
- luchid, on 11/21/2007, -6/+13So you're saying that a bug that caused data loss when using a non-standard way of moving data between shares, a few issues with spaces and time machine -even when the whole system runs much faster than Tiger did, even on older systems- is the same as the compatibility, performance and stability nightmare that was vista?
- GreenAlien, on 11/21/2007, -5/+34All the "fanboy" comments (from both sides) get old pretty quick.You'll probably find most people see the word "fanboy" and skip to the next comment out of habit now.
- threemagic, on 11/21/2007, -6/+18I agree.. the only people that use the term fanboy are fanboys themselves just on the opposite spectrum
- nastajus, on 11/21/2007, -0/+4antifans!
- BOFH2, on 11/21/2007, -2/+5To find a comment without that word is very tuogh.
- chrisbarr, on 11/22/2007, -0/+2Well, you just pulled it off, and so have I now.
- Etheo, on 11/21/2007, -2/+4Just so we're clear, am I still considered a fanboy if I simply hate one OS more than the other?
- Audacitor, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1If you use the actual definition of the word, maybe. A fanboy is defined as someone who favors product X or corporation X for no particular reason. On Digg, it is used as though fanboy is defined as somone who favors product X or corporation X. Period.
- threemagic, on 11/21/2007, -6/+18I agree.. the only people that use the term fanboy are fanboys themselves just on the opposite spectrum
- witebuddha, on 11/21/2007, -8/+15apple or microsoft? either way both make digg unbearable...
- LeeSoong, on 11/21/2007, -10/+2apple or microsoft?
Why, Ubuntu - of course.
http://www.ubuntu.com- combatchuck, on 11/21/2007, -1/+12OK, you win. All 3 make it unbearable.
- Protoss, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2So you use what? OS/2?
- Audacitor, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2Then you need to find another, non-technologically oriented social news site.
- keeganspeck, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2BSD, guys, BSD.
- LeeSoong, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1GEOS ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating ...
- combatchuck, on 11/21/2007, -1/+12OK, you win. All 3 make it unbearable.
- LeeSoong, on 11/21/2007, -10/+2apple or microsoft?
- chesscat, on 11/21/2007, -16/+6Vista SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2007, -6/+2Yeah I hate the anti-Apple zealot fanboys too. Fanboys go into stories about products and companies they don't like and post how much they don't like them. THOSE are fanboys you dumbass.
- Tyrghast, on 11/21/2007, -5/+4apple fnaboys go fap fap fap
- dukeochutney, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1digg up the dupe.
- ramsinks.com, on 11/21/2007, -3/+1Poor, mommies boys with Dell's.. on your marks, get set, GO!
- P373Y, on 11/21/2007, -48/+34vista is not as bad as you think
- cambrown99, on 11/21/2007, -71/+48Yesterday, I installed a Canon printer on the Vista machine at work. Everything went smoothly, much to my relief, but the entire process for installing the software took around 30 minutes. If I had been setting that up on my Mac at home, it would have taken less than 5 minutes.
- Sk8SkaNJ, on 11/21/2007, -41/+51If you weren't an idiot it probably would have taken 5 minutes on a PC too. Hell you might be able to get it done in under 10 for Linux if you're not half retarded.
- northernmunky, on 11/21/2007, -13/+15I had to help my work colleagues the other day who had been trying to set up a HP printer for two hours without success. Took me 5 minutes to figure out why it wasn't working, and another 5 minutes waiting around while it chugged along installing.
Then I plugged it into my Macbook Pro with Leopard and it auto-detected it and installed drivers or me in about 5 seconds.- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -2/+7the new hp consumer level printer driver installers on windows are rediculously long-winded. I installed one for a user here, and it really does take a lot longer than it ever should. what with downloading drivers, and all the other crapware that comes with it, to taking 20minutes of calibration.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/21/2007, -1/+6HP does offer the "Basic Printer Driver Only" package. It's still like a 30 meg download, but the crap that comes with it is seriously reduced.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -0/+430 megs basic driver only! I shudder to think the driver package with 'full features'. Seems HP is posing serious competition to Nero in making crapware.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -2/+7the new hp consumer level printer driver installers on windows are rediculously long-winded. I installed one for a user here, and it really does take a lot longer than it ever should. what with downloading drivers, and all the other crapware that comes with it, to taking 20minutes of calibration.
- astrosmash, on 11/21/2007, -3/+3Have you ever installed an HP printer? HP Printer software is terrible.
Smart people can tell the difference between software the sucks and software that doesn't suck, and will actively avoid bad software.
Stupid people will somehow try to rationalize that using crappy software makes them smart.- BinaryMadman, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1You don't have to install the software, just install the drivers. The rest is just bloatware and not necessary for the install of a printer. Assuming it even needs a driver; Otherwise, just plug it in. That's true for just about every PC Printer.
- Syphon8, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2I have an HP printer, and it didn't need any of the software it came with to work on Vista. (Yes I plugged it in, and it just worked. There was no installation.)
- northernmunky, on 11/21/2007, -13/+15I had to help my work colleagues the other day who had been trying to set up a HP printer for two hours without success. Took me 5 minutes to figure out why it wasn't working, and another 5 minutes waiting around while it chugged along installing.
- gadgetuk, on 11/21/2007, -11/+58OK, fair enough - now try sharing that Canon printer with some other Macs on a network. Here's a hint - you'll need the GIMP-Print drivers, probably have to use an HP one too, chances are it'll never work. For some added flavor, try printing to it from a Windows PC - even using Bonjour it'll probably never work. Now, try sharing that Canon printer from a Windows PC host, other Windows PCs will print to it perfectly using the correct driver - no Mac will ever print to it though.
Now, the real problem is that Canon are idiots when it comes to cross-platform integration. It's not Microsoft's fault or Apple's fault - just like in your example. Your point is moot I'm afraid.
BTW, I own 2 Macs, I love them. I also run Windows and Linux, I'm not a fanboy (although I hope Linux wins :) ). I draw the line at Vista though, I've gone back to XP like so many others.- akhomerun, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1you point out one printer manufacturer that has problems on mac, just like HP has problems on windows. but does windows come with thousands of printer drivers already installed? that already gives OS X a leg up.
for serious printer sharing, you should really have a dedicated print server anyway, shared printers shouldn't depend on the host computer being on and running at all times.- HolyChimp, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1OS X has 1000s of printer drivers installed by default, and it annoys the crap outta me! I've only got a finite ammount of space with my XP partition, photos, music and my games (on the XP partition obviously). I don't need a gig of printer drivers. I only own one printer. And I never use that.
- akhomerun, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1you point out one printer manufacturer that has problems on mac, just like HP has problems on windows. but does windows come with thousands of printer drivers already installed? that already gives OS X a leg up.
- Grahamajdale, on 11/21/2007, -25/+18Yeh Macs are quite simple, simple things for simple minds. For those who know what they are doing, there are PC's.
- astrosmash, on 11/21/2007, -5/+181986 Called. They need their argument back.
- sparkrainfir, on 11/21/2007, -3/+16i love the "macs are simple for simple people" argument. the gui is simple, and it does "just work" for the non-techie crowd. but have you forgotten that osx is built on unix? fire up the terminal and go crazy if you want to.
- Otto, on 11/21/2007, -5/+2BSD != Unix.
- DaManDOH, on 11/21/2007, -1/+2True enough, Otto. However, one could also argue Linux ≠ Unix. Yet both Linux and BSD were built on Unix. Apple has customized the original OpenBSD kernel so much that one could easily argue BSD ≠ Darwin and furthermore that Darwin ≠ Mac OS X. However, Darwin ε Mac OS X, obviously. And Darwin is as much Unix-based as BSD and Linux are, both of which -- again -- claim to be built on Unix. Plus, wouldn't Product C, having been built on Product B which was built on Product A, necessarily have to be considered built on Product A by the transitive property? Thus, a very crucial element of Mac OS X -- the kernel -- was arguably built on Unix. To say that the Darwin kernel was built on Unix isn't inaccurate.
Is it really that much of a stretch for Apple's marketers to go from "Our kernel is a version spur off a very popular Unix-based kernel" to "Mac OS X is built on Unix?" Heck, maybe there are some people out there still using System V Unix who would take exception, but let's face it: they should be using OS X anyways. /me winks.
Windows, of course, has never had anything to do with anything during its many design phases... at least anything universally standard. Commercially and internally standard, perhaps, but hardly ISO. Might be one of its chronic problems. - ropers, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Caution, your clueless-n00bness shows.
BSD is a genetic AND functional Unix. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like#Categories
NB: As far as trademarked UNIX goes, I would also argue that the UNIX trademark has long since been genericised and the people still trying to fight over their supposed ownership of the UNIX trademark are demented ***** trying to assert "rights" and "intellectual property" (hello oxymoron) they don't actually have.
For more in-depth info see here: http://www.jus.uio.no/sisu/free_for_all.peter_wayn ...
This is only for your education.
- DaManDOH, on 11/21/2007, -1/+2True enough, Otto. However, one could also argue Linux ≠ Unix. Yet both Linux and BSD were built on Unix. Apple has customized the original OpenBSD kernel so much that one could easily argue BSD ≠ Darwin and furthermore that Darwin ≠ Mac OS X. However, Darwin ε Mac OS X, obviously. And Darwin is as much Unix-based as BSD and Linux are, both of which -- again -- claim to be built on Unix. Plus, wouldn't Product C, having been built on Product B which was built on Product A, necessarily have to be considered built on Product A by the transitive property? Thus, a very crucial element of Mac OS X -- the kernel -- was arguably built on Unix. To say that the Darwin kernel was built on Unix isn't inaccurate.
- Otto, on 11/21/2007, -5/+2BSD != Unix.
- kodax, on 11/21/2007, -2/+8Wrong. PCs are for games and tinkering. Macs are for serious work.
- lsweet, on 11/21/2007, -3/+1Link to Solidworks and EPlan for Mac plz?
Exactly. - MagicCake, on 11/21/2007, -1/+2That's why the windows do fruity things like suck into the side of the screen when you minimize then, right?
SERIOUS WORK!!1! - uglymike, on 11/22/2007, -0/+2Wrong again kodax. Vista is for people who want to take control of their system, Macs are for people who want a non customizable sandbox.
- lsweet, on 11/21/2007, -3/+1Link to Solidworks and EPlan for Mac plz?
- lebruf, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3It seems you've confused "simplicity" for "simple minded".
Simplicity is beautiful. Case in point, the iPod. The sheer numbers sold (110,000,000 by now) versus any other media player speak for themselves. Think before you put forth arguments based on your poor understanding of the English language.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/21/2007, -6/+2030 minutes? What are you, stupid? I've never had a printer install on Vista last more than like 2 -- And that's only because HP had to bloat the hell out of the installer.
- pcpimpster, on 11/21/2007, -5/+1330 minutes to setup a printer... in Vista... digga please.
They make books for your type.- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -1/+0Once I installed a network card in Linux within 2 seconds. Well, technically.
(Ok, it was Ubuntu and the ethernet card icon showed and started to work automatically 2 seconds after I booted for the first time.)- pcpimpster, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1That's nice, sounds like Ubuntu has finally conquered plug and play.
- pcpimpster, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1That's nice, sounds like Ubuntu has finally conquered plug and play.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -1/+0Once I installed a network card in Linux within 2 seconds. Well, technically.
- EXreaction, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2Printer setup here takes a whole 15 seconds. Plug in printer via USB -> Turn on printer -> Vista automatically finds and installs driver -> Done
- snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1So.. you were installing on the same machine then ?? (comparing apples with oranges??)
- Sk8SkaNJ, on 11/21/2007, -41/+51If you weren't an idiot it probably would have taken 5 minutes on a PC too. Hell you might be able to get it done in under 10 for Linux if you're not half retarded.
- schestowitz, on 11/21/2007, -35/+85I set up an HP scanner in Linux the other day. Just plugged USB, ran the scanning software (it comes preinstalled with the distro) and the drivers, well... they are already part of the O/S as well. Took me about 20 seconds.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -3/+45and herein lies the truth. if the os has the drivers it's quick and easy. if you have to install them it takes longer. it's hardly a surprise is it?
- JonForTheWin, on 11/21/2007, -2/+10Which is 99.9% the time a fault of the manufacturer. Don't buy from manufacturer's that hate their users.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -6/+0That,s well and good. Just curious, what was the size of the driver? I'm planning to buy a scanner myself... just wanted to know how much bloated HP is.
- andycr512, on 11/21/2007, -0/+7On Windows, I've always ridiculed them for having insanely large drivers and having someone else's kid pop up on your screen whenever you open the scanner cover (what. the. heck.). On Linux, they're pretty small, and just integrate with the printing system that's already there.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3Nice. Thanks.
- cstrippie, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1Great retort: how much time did that put you back?
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3Nice. Thanks.
- andycr512, on 11/21/2007, -0/+7On Windows, I've always ridiculed them for having insanely large drivers and having someone else's kid pop up on your screen whenever you open the scanner cover (what. the. heck.). On Linux, they're pretty small, and just integrate with the printing system that's already there.
- Boondoggle, on 11/21/2007, -3/+24I set up a laptop with Ubuntu the other day. Wireless still doesn't work with WPA and my card. So I tried Fedora 7. Would not install.
- JonForTheWin, on 11/21/2007, -5/+4broadcom sucks ass, don't buy from them, don't buy laptops with broadcom chips.
- Thuktun, on 11/21/2007, -0/+10Sometimes you have to work with what you've got, not with what you think you should have.
- xspinkickx, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1try fedora 8.
- asaturn, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2try ndiswrapper - it lets you use Windows wireless drivers on Linux
- dignation, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1except its a pain in the ass to set up
- dankCIA, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2welcome to linux. It's a great operating system but things like wifi or the fn key not working makes it unsuitable for laptops. hard as i tried i couldn't have a practical functioning laptop and ubuntu.
- linuxlucas, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1I was suprised the other day when I tried the Ubuntu 6.10 Live CD on my Toshiba Portege A200.
The only thing that didn't work is the Fn key, but I never use it anyway.
- JonForTheWin, on 11/21/2007, -5/+4broadcom sucks ass, don't buy from them, don't buy laptops with broadcom chips.
- HyperionHK, on 11/21/2007, -2/+3Nice. I did the same thing with the last 2 printers I've used with Vista ;)
- Kitsun, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1No UAC on Linux though
- danieleran, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I tried to plug in a standard IDE/USB hard drive enclosure. No love from Vista. Works on XP, works on OS X; XP installs various bridge support drives and volumes, while Leopard just works immediately. But I couldn't get Vista to recognize my basic standard hard drive for anything. That's why people are pissed at Vista, not because you can install a brand new printer and find a Vista driver pre-installed.
Recall the other "Get a Mac" commercial where Hodgman tells people in his campaign "Ask not what Vista can do for you, ask what you can buy for Vista!" People don't want to buy all new stuff just because they bought a $400 Vista Ultimate operating system that doesn't do anything new beyond nag and throw in a lot of translucency. - snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1I ran SUSE 10.3 Live CD on a brand new Toshiba today and it failed miserably to detect the Wireless LAN. Not only that, they've still not sorted out and bundled the Synaptics Touchpad drivers even after about 7 years of then being commonplace in the field.
I've still yet to find a SUSE linux distro which configures the network on bootup without fiddling.
Not much of a positive comment on Novell given that other distros manage to get it right even on live CDs - Tehrab, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1Wow, I am totally switching to Linux.
Right after I roll my Night Elf Mohawk to 70.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -3/+45and herein lies the truth. if the os has the drivers it's quick and easy. if you have to install them it takes longer. it's hardly a surprise is it?
- sweintraub, on 11/21/2007, -86/+305vista IS kinda ***** but these commercials are getting old. I like my mac but the smugness is a turnoff to the 90% of the population that aren't rabid fanboys.
In case you are wondering if you are a rabid fanboy Check your mouth for foam. then digg me down- evilregis, on 11/21/2007, -25/+66I don't think they're getting old. I think they're amusing as long as they keep them fresh and they're doing a decent job of that. Plus John Hodgman is just plain awesome.
Oh, and I do not nor have not ever owned a Mac. So it's not a fanboy giving the thumbs up here.- schoate09, on 11/21/2007, -26/+56They're not "fresh", they're cheap attacks. Rather than advertise all the great things OS X offers, they constantly attack their competitors.
- DrMonkeyLove, on 11/21/2007, -5/+12Right. I have no idea why Apple is better from these ads. All I know is that Microsoft sucks. Why don't you tell me why I should buy Apple instead of why I SHOULDN'T buy Microsoft.
- Boondoggle, on 11/21/2007, -2/+3Well there have been a lot of adds. Many of them do bring up advantages. The point of these particular adds is to encourage people to look at apple as an alternative, something many many people do not even consider.
- thunderer, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3There's a reason it's only on Engadget, PCMag, etc.
People browsing these sites already know the facts and specs, and are more likely to be swayed to consider a Mac through little jabs at their product of choice than an infomercial.
- Boondoggle, on 11/21/2007, -2/+3Well there have been a lot of adds. Many of them do bring up advantages. The point of these particular adds is to encourage people to look at apple as an alternative, something many many people do not even consider.
- Khabi, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Because the average consumer has an attention span of maybe 15-20 seconds. Ads need to be clean and to the point to get it across. "SWITCH TO MAC" is exactly that. Not to mention the average consumer won't understand wtf they're talking about if they boast stuff like 'better user seperation, based off of open source technology, etc etc etc.'.
You put your ad out for the lowest common denominator, unfortunatly in the computer world.. thats very very low.
- DrMonkeyLove, on 11/21/2007, -5/+12Right. I have no idea why Apple is better from these ads. All I know is that Microsoft sucks. Why don't you tell me why I should buy Apple instead of why I SHOULDN'T buy Microsoft.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -20/+12but leopard has 400+ great 'innovations', ripped directly from competitors products!!
- nastajus, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2Isn't this good natured good clean fun? I like a little war going on between companies, keeps things interesting. It's my least hated, and actually liked commercials
- schoate09, on 11/21/2007, -26/+56They're not "fresh", they're cheap attacks. Rather than advertise all the great things OS X offers, they constantly attack their competitors.
- ddcrandall, on 11/21/2007, -12/+5i definitely see what you mean. at the same time, though, part of me says that it can't get old until microsoft fixes some of these issues. these apple ads aren't saying that vista is fundamentally *****, because it isn't - it has quite a few great features (i'm still waiting for os x to get application-specific volume controls). however, there are some serious problems with it, and microsoft has been slow to respond. they have an obligation to their users that they are simply not fulfilling.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -3/+10the problem is peoples' awareness of leopard, and vista. People are still believing leopard is a whole fresh new operating system, which it is not. it's essentially a service pack, and then some. vista, on the other hand, has taken windows 2003, and then drastically changed and updated most of the underlying and core strucutre.. it is a new operating system.
yes, it's not as good as XP in certain ways, in much the same way as osx 10.0 wasn't as good as osx9, or any other OS at the time, for exactly the same reasons.
acting like an angsty / abusive / smug little child is just pathetic, and got old about 5 years ago. jobs, please move on, it doesn't suit a man of your age.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -3/+10the problem is peoples' awareness of leopard, and vista. People are still believing leopard is a whole fresh new operating system, which it is not. it's essentially a service pack, and then some. vista, on the other hand, has taken windows 2003, and then drastically changed and updated most of the underlying and core strucutre.. it is a new operating system.
- staticneuron, on 11/21/2007, -14/+50I used vista for a short while. Amazingly enough I didn't have any troubles but that doesn't stop me from laughing at these ads. Yeah.... the rabid fanboys are smug.... but who cares. The ad is still funny.
- LeeSoong, on 11/21/2007, -2/+2Vista is great - just go into the control panel and turn off all the extras and all the eye candy.
Then you'll get most of your CPU power back...- thetanman, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1Or grab a Mac, get all that eye candy and more, and keep your CPU power.
I use a PC I built 80% of the time for work, but I enjoy my 1.5 year old macbook pro's interface 10x more. So I'm saving for an iMac with a Penryn chip to finally leave PC's behind for good, and I won't look back. - TheAcclaimed, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1The GUI doesn't even use CPU it utilizes the GPU, thats why it is efficient. If you run a full screen app that needs the GPU it suspends the GUI in the background.
- thetanman, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1Or grab a Mac, get all that eye candy and more, and keep your CPU power.
- LeeSoong, on 11/21/2007, -2/+2Vista is great - just go into the control panel and turn off all the extras and all the eye candy.
- anachronaut, on 11/21/2007, -14/+4John Hodgman is great, but I could definitely do without his greasy-looking, smug hipster sidekick.
That being said, I don't care much at all for any Apple products or Vista, so I'm not exactly the target audience. - proton, on 11/21/2007, -11/+11A few months ago I was contemplating getting a Mac for my next laptop because I'm due to upgrade that old beast. I'm a Unix guy at heart so OSX appealed to me (and I dislike Microsoft but use their OS for games). This ad campaign, the rabid fanboism seen across the net and the thought of "what if Apple was the only real player in town" has turned me off making that purchase. Not that anyone cares....
- soopafly, on 11/21/2007, -3/+4Hmm.. maybe you should get a mind of your own and not base your purchase around an ad campaign?
- joebagodonuts, on 11/21/2007, -6/+9A whole 90%? Really? Wow.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -1/+0Yeah.
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2007, -12/+11Oh, the good old 'smugness' line. What a dumbass. Is Pepsi and Coke drinkers 'smug' because they advertise against each other? etc. etc. Get a mind of your own loser.
- anillop, on 11/21/2007, -3/+3Is it just me or does the Mac guy come off as a real ass. I think the commercials are beginning to get a little annoying and if apple was smart they would come up with a new idea.
- thetanman, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1Done and done. *click*
- evilregis, on 11/21/2007, -25/+66I don't think they're getting old. I think they're amusing as long as they keep them fresh and they're doing a decent job of that. Plus John Hodgman is just plain awesome.
- newbill123, on 11/21/2007, -9/+26I think John Hodgman's acting is a treat in this web ad. I partially got to notice it because of the technical problems and stuttering of the video track. His agape reaction when he looks at the sign is priceless. The ad itself doesn't say very much about Apple, iMacs, or Leopard, but it's still a nice treat if you don't forget it's all just an ad.
- metapop, on 11/21/2007, -27/+50i lol'd. that was pretty funny.
- Murdats, on 11/21/2007, -17/+9how? I have never found these ads funny, they seem little more then a pathetic smear campaign.
- Sidzilla, on 11/21/2007, -4/+8I am a Windows user, for the most part, and I still find these ads funny. More to the point, I heard that Apple considered replacing the smug 'I'm a Mac' guy because so many people identified more with the 'PC' character. The ads actually sell more PCs than Macs.
- Boondoggle, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3People identify with the PC character because just about everyone has had frustrations with computers. Those computers were most likely WIndows boxes, even if only because of the huge installed base.
There is absolutely NO evidence that these adds sell more PCs than Macs. - HolyChimp, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I'd say that was because the depiction of the PC is reasonably truthful. He has his flaws, just like everyone does. The Mac is practically perfect in every way (since it's a Mac advert) so you just want to poke him in the eye.
- metapop, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1John Hodgman's character is endearing, and likeable... however, I certainly wouldn't say that it goes as far as to sell PCs. Based on Apple's market share increase since the commercials started... are you sure you want to suggest the commercials sell more PCs rather than Macs?
- Boondoggle, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3People identify with the PC character because just about everyone has had frustrations with computers. Those computers were most likely WIndows boxes, even if only because of the huge installed base.
- astrosmash, on 11/21/2007, -1/+13What kind of loser would be personally offended by a computer ad?
Oh, there he is! Murdats! - altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -3/+0s/little/nothing
- Murdats, on 11/21/2007, -6/+1when did I say I was offended, I just find them petty and boring.
I seriously couldnt tell they were meant to be funny, there seems to be no humor in them at all, its just bashing accompanied by light music.- Boondoggle, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2you're not offended by what you consider to be a pathetic smear campaign? Where are your principles man!!
- metapop, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1"bashing accompanied by light music"? how PC of you to not like jokes. i suppose you're entitled to your opinion, even if it is an unreasonable one. as evidenced by + & - diggs, most people disagree with you.
- Sidzilla, on 11/21/2007, -4/+8I am a Windows user, for the most part, and I still find these ads funny. More to the point, I heard that Apple considered replacing the smug 'I'm a Mac' guy because so many people identified more with the 'PC' character. The ads actually sell more PCs than Macs.
- Etheo, on 11/21/2007, -7/+12I used to find these commercials funny too, back when they still had substances (e.g. comparing the difference in approach in networking between Windows and Mac), where the commercial is actually selling a point. Now it's just a blatant "HA HA! I'm better than you" statement pleasing fanboys. It serves no purpose and advertising NOTHING about Mac. Bravo Mac, you've stooped yourself to the level where Pepsi used to be.
- cowboy86, on 11/21/2007, -1/+4ZING!
- sst4ab, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Yeah I ***** hate pepsi!
- digggggggggg, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Even so this was pretty damn creative. I gotta applaud them for that.
- Murdats, on 11/21/2007, -17/+9how? I have never found these ads funny, they seem little more then a pathetic smear campaign.
- fryloc, on 11/21/2007, -28/+79I used vista for about 3 months before I gave up on it. Went back to xp and now all I can do is try to forget all the wasted time.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -6/+10I tried Ubuntu for 3 months, and am finding myself more and more booting into Ubuntu rather than XP. I use XP only to play games now.
- Vorin, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1i did the same thing, and now i only boot into xp for games and photoshop/dreamweaver.
- Acqua206, on 11/21/2007, -3/+21I tried Ubuntu for about a week. Deleted it and went back to Vista. Imagine that, a difference of opinion.
- 1807, on 11/21/2007, -1/+4I absolutely agree with you sir. My roommate is always quick to tell me how much better the Mac is than Vista, but to be honest, I don't really see much of a difference between XP, VISTA, OR MAC OS other than the visual. It's almost like OS Racism or something.
- Gimpishi, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2I agree, as it is now the same things can be accomplished on all three platforms, just with differences in method:
Vista: use and installer only to have it break because of user access control and DRM *****, or it works seamlessly.
Mac: use the drag and drop super easy install on Apple's Library of software, and a small collection of software.
Ubuntu: Install from a command line, and spend a while configuring everything and learning, leaving (usually) completely satisfied for free
Just for different lifestyles at this point.
- Gimpishi, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2I agree, as it is now the same things can be accomplished on all three platforms, just with differences in method:
- 1807, on 11/21/2007, -1/+4I absolutely agree with you sir. My roommate is always quick to tell me how much better the Mac is than Vista, but to be honest, I don't really see much of a difference between XP, VISTA, OR MAC OS other than the visual. It's almost like OS Racism or something.
- lowerlogic, on 11/21/2007, -2/+2my college laptop came preinstalled with Vista. I used it for about 2 weeks, and then installed Ubuntu 7.10. I went to the computer help desk on campus where the guys knew how to get me on the campus wireless VPN, and I was good to go. However, since Ubuntu doesn't have support for the latest games like team fortress 2 and portal, I probably would be insane right now if I didnt have my desktop pc running windows XP.
- tugger, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I've helped over 2000 customers upgrade from vista to xp...
I've also helped over 800 customers upgrade from xp and vista to OSX
No-one has yet gone the other way.
- altrego99, on 11/21/2007, -6/+10I tried Ubuntu for 3 months, and am finding myself more and more booting into Ubuntu rather than XP. I use XP only to play games now.
- LimeParrot, on 11/21/2007, -46/+176I find this whole 'pay out Microsoft' advertising strategy by Apple pretty stupid. It's funny and all... but to me it makes Apple look like a whiny little crybaby... how about advertise about what makes Macs good, not what makes Vista bad.
- davidlow, on 11/21/2007, -9/+17For a lot of older technophobes, who don't know the difference between a browser and a dialog box, there is simply no other way to explain that Mac is separate from Vista. How else do you prevent these people from walking into a computer store and saying something like, "Oh yeah, I want the latest Windows program. I've heard this new Mac thing is pretty good; can I get one of those?"
These are the only people who a salesman can easily push Vista onto, and they're exactly the people who would benefit the most from a Mac's simplicity.- proton, on 11/21/2007, -9/+4Then they should be marketing this simplicity if it's so damn good. There's a serious problem with a company if all they can do is bash the competitor (not that MS doesn't deserve it).
- davidlow, on 11/21/2007, -1/+6Do you know the kind of people I'm talking about? Think about your grampa, or an uncle who works with his hands and never bothered with computers before. These are people who could really use a simple alternative to Windows.
You tell me. How should a 'simple operating system company' market themselves to the people who really need their product the most, in a way that they can understand, and without stooping so low as to mention their competitor by name?
- davidlow, on 11/21/2007, -1/+6Do you know the kind of people I'm talking about? Think about your grampa, or an uncle who works with his hands and never bothered with computers before. These are people who could really use a simple alternative to Windows.
- proton, on 11/21/2007, -9/+4Then they should be marketing this simplicity if it's so damn good. There's a serious problem with a company if all they can do is bash the competitor (not that MS doesn't deserve it).
- RichLatherX23, on 11/21/2007, -9/+12"... how about advertise about what makes Macs good, not what makes Vista bad."
I think they just did. It seems to me they're saying, "See all these problems Vista has? We don't have those."- GreyICE, on 11/21/2007, -4/+16You know what else doesn't have Vista's problems?
A toaster.
Why don't they tell us what they DO?- shadowman99, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1>> You know what else doesn't have Vista's problems? A toaster.
So you're saying the Cylons have given up on Vista?
>> Why don't they tell us what they DO?
They have a plan.
- shadowman99, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1>> You know what else doesn't have Vista's problems? A toaster.
- smoger, on 11/21/2007, -5/+5you're reading too much into it. it's more like "haha, a bunch of people don't like vista".
most of those ads are outright lies or half truths, as if the off the chart smugness wasn't enough
- GreyICE, on 11/21/2007, -4/+16You know what else doesn't have Vista's problems?
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2007, -8/+8It actually makes Windows fanboys look like whiny little crybabies, because that's all you see posting in these threads are people like you bitching and complaining about Apple. Stop being so jealous and wasting your time posting about how much you hate something! Goddamn diggiots.
- Vorin, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2i don't hate apple, although i do find their advertising infantile, and their computers overpriced.
i don't dislike people who use apple products, it obviously works for them.
i do dislike those who try to tell others what they should think.
between my laptop and desktop i have 7.10, xp, and vista.
i use ubuntu the most.
- Vorin, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2i don't hate apple, although i do find their advertising infantile, and their computers overpriced.
- MauiMac, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3Who the hell wants to look at apple tutorials?... Id rather watch this...
- theprez, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2What better way of saying one product is better than the other than by comparison? The advertiser or writer reminds you of the problems you've had with its competitor and let you know it won't happen with the featured product. This is seen with car ads, ISP ads, cell phone carrier ads, articles, reviews, etc. Hell, read anything about the Zune, I'm sure the name iPod will be included.
- delmar14, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Just looks at the sales numbers and judge for yourself which company has been better at marketing the past few years.
- davidlow, on 11/21/2007, -9/+17For a lot of older technophobes, who don't know the difference between a browser and a dialog box, there is simply no other way to explain that Mac is separate from Vista. How else do you prevent these people from walking into a computer store and saying something like, "Oh yeah, I want the latest Windows program. I've heard this new Mac thing is pretty good; can I get one of those?"
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 11/21/2007, -30/+102Give up on Vista and stick with XP.
- madpie, on 11/21/2007, -0/+4Maybe we could all agree to stop buying useless upgrades to technology that is already more than adequate for the tasks to which it is applied. I use my computer to type, blog, read email and watch YouTube. I don't need an OS upgrade every couple years. 85% of other computer users probably don't need it either.
- Totalchaos02, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1So that you can whine that these companies have become stagnate and aren't releasing anything new? People buy Vista and Leopard because they like new features, even if they don't think they need them. 3 years ago I never would of thought voice recognition software would be cool to have, let alone useful but it has made writing essays and research papers for school a hell of a lot easier.
- kiesow567, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1xp is a great OS. I have used xp since its first release and recall that there were several problems before the release of SP1. I now also use Vista and agree that Vista has some issues, but lets wait until SP1 comes out and then we can drive the final coffin nail if needed.
- SimonSezz, on 11/21/2007, -0/+0I;ve been using XP for a couple years and a month ago I bought a laptop that came with Vista, I almost returned the laptop until I installed XP on it and it ran much faster and smoother. Everybody knows Vista is a major failure for Microsoft. It is major bloatware. I'm waiting for SP3 for XP because it's supposed to have even more performance improvements.
- madpie, on 11/21/2007, -0/+4Maybe we could all agree to stop buying useless upgrades to technology that is already more than adequate for the tasks to which it is applied. I use my computer to type, blog, read email and watch YouTube. I don't need an OS upgrade every couple years. 85% of other computer users probably don't need it either.
- LargeTrout, on 11/21/2007, -14/+46I'm trying to see a pattern here in why everyone is being Dugg down. Windows fans, Mac fans, and Linux fans are all being Dugg down. Is there another OS I'm not aware of that the Digg community is keeping hidden from me?
- staticneuron, on 11/21/2007, -4/+49GLAdos. Every other OS fan is jealous because their OS's do not come with cake.
- smoger, on 11/21/2007, -0/+5my copy came with no cake. the cake is a lie :(
- mrmacky, on 11/21/2007, -1/+10I was running GLADos until someone took out my wireless card, sound card, graphics card, RAM, and my processor, and apparently through them in an incinerator.
- Totalchaos02, on 11/21/2007, -0/+5They probably didn't even know what that was even for... so stupid.
- schoate09, on 11/21/2007, -3/+28The BSD and BeOS fanboys are out in full force today.
- stevedclarke, on 11/21/2007, -3/+4God I miss Be.
- Chewie67, on 11/21/2007, -0/+8CPM for life!
Welcome to 1983... - guy6600crazy, on 11/21/2007, -2/+8Yeah there is another OS which the government is hiding from us. It was introduced to the earth by aliens. The truth is out there! OMG!
- delmar14, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1You forgot to mention how the aliens helped Bush pull off 9/11 and that he would have gotten away too with it if it weren't for Ron Paul...
- repeater75, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1You mean you haven't HEARD of the HURD?
Now here's an OS with a humble opinion of itself!
And, I quote from the landing page: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
"The Hurd is not the most advanced kernel known to the planet (yet), but it does have a number of enticing features" - Thuktun, on 11/21/2007, -0/+5I think a lot of people in the middle are tired of extremism, even when it applies to OS advocacy.
- chesscat, on 11/21/2007, -2/+6There are Windows fans?
- DeadElephant, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1Yeah, I have fans in my computer to keep my RAM cool while Vista hogs it all. Theres plenty of fans. :o)
- tugger, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1yeah there are, but only because the havn't tried anything else yet...
That makes them newbs..?? - delmar14, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I honestly know many windows users but I don't know a single one of them who actually likes windows.
- HolyChimp, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1That's probably because most people turn on their computer, open the internet, read some emails, check their myspace and then chat on some form of messenger. What do they care who wrote the code that's making it all happen?
- nastajus, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1It's each kind of user digging down the two other kinds. It's like a vicious cycle. The net result is nearly everyone that offends anyone is buried into obscurity.
- Bamborzled, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1AmigaOS 4evar.
- staticneuron, on 11/21/2007, -4/+49GLAdos. Every other OS fan is jealous because their OS's do not come with cake.
- daxsymbiont, on 11/21/2007, -31/+136is digg sponsored by apple?
- Tooltucker, on 11/21/2007, -15/+9Seems that way doesn't it? More like there's a spawn of Apple Bots out there digging Apple promotional material.
- Entheoddity, on 11/21/2007, -4/+6makes me wonder if the ron paul people are same people doing all this apple *****.
- starsky51, on 11/21/2007, -5/+22No, Microsoft! http://blog.digg.com/?p=89
- Chewie67, on 11/21/2007, -7/+5Actually, they're Microsoft's bitch -- thanks to the huge advertising deal they signed earlier this year.
You can expect that these pro Apple posts will start disappearing in the next few months...- surfing, on 11/21/2007, -2/+8Promise?
- Tooltucker, on 11/21/2007, -15/+9Seems that way doesn't it? More like there's a spawn of Apple Bots out there digging Apple promotional material.
- spiri, on 11/21/2007, -17/+3http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Advertisement_on_CNET_ ...
- scratt, on 11/21/2007, -10/+31Love the adverts. *Just appreciate them for what they are.
*People who even mention being or not-being a fan boy are just as bad as each other.- GreenAlien, on 11/21/2007, -1/+3Well said.
- Heavy, on 11/21/2007, -13/+49I love to upgrade to mac... if i did not have to REPLACE my working dual core computer for no good reason just to run mac osx..
- LoveWidescreen, on 11/21/2007, -9/+4http://www.osx86project.org/
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -8/+9indeed. they wont be taken seriously until they open their OS up to the entire PC architecture, like windows and linux. what are they scared of?
- GreenAlien, on 11/21/2007, -3/+8Not a matter of being scared. It's to do with their business model, their idea of "it should just work", and not wanting to support a ***** load of hardware out there.
- michaelz92, on 11/21/2007, -3/+1well said.
- dysonlu, on 11/22/2007, -0/+2So, that means "it should just work... but only with some hardware". Imagine if the world was different, where Apple has 90% market share and Windows PCs only 10%. Everyone would be crying about lack of hardware choices, imprisoned in a walled garden.
- luchid, on 11/21/2007, -7/+10OS X isn't taken seriously? Well you better tell the hundreds of thousands of video, audio, print, design and engineering companies out there, because they must be making a mistake!
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -3/+9ask the other millions upon millions of much bigger companies, with massively larger revenues which platform they take seriously. it wont be osx for client or servers.
- soopafly, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1"ask the other millions upon millions of much bigger companies, with massively larger revenues which platform they take seriously. it wont be osx for client or servers."
And who would we ask? The IT department. I know a lot of IT people, and most would be out of the job if it wasn't for Microsoft's "operating" system
- SouthsideIrish, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Becoming a monopoly. Jobs considers them to be a hardware company, not a software company.
- GreenAlien, on 11/21/2007, -3/+8Not a matter of being scared. It's to do with their business model, their idea of "it should just work", and not wanting to support a ***** load of hardware out there.
- astrosmash, on 11/21/2007, -11/+5You bought the wrong computer. Sucks to be you, I guess.
- scyon, on 11/21/2007, -2/+6If Apple had to support as much hardware as Microsoft, it would "just work" about as well as any other *nix OS available. This would be perfectly acceptable to nerds (such as myself) who don't mind a little administration to get a computer up and running.
However, many of Apple's customers would be frustrated, switch back to Windows, and Apple's support costs would rise significantly.
As I'm not the target demographic Apple is trying to sell to, I'm not offended that I can't install it on a 3rd party computer.
- flipnaman, on 11/21/2007, -19/+12hillarious
- alpharouge, on 11/21/2007, -2/+10Hmph, you just had to drag politics into this!
- Mcl0vin, on 11/21/2007, -24/+29I cant see the massive problem people seem to have with vista. Ive had no major issues with it and been using it for months now ..hey maybe people are looking for faults .... digg me down !! :D
- Ahweb, on 11/21/2007, -10/+2Full sized Flash here : http://speed.pointroll.com/PointRoll/Media/Panels/ ...
- PolarBearFire, on 11/21/2007, -12/+6Really funny and creative ad, but if someone did that to my company I would pull some ads from CNet. For a few weeks at least.
- danjal, on 11/21/2007, -34/+31You can praise apple all you want... but when the apple os lets you use as many hardware devices as windows vista then you have a leg to argue on, face it, apple is a closed hardware environment, of course its going to run smooth, they only let you run a certain amount of items in the first place, microsoft have the openness to 3rd parties that apple fans can only dream off.
- ZeRux, on 11/21/2007, -12/+23Linux supports much more hardware than Mac OS yet it runs smoother than any version of Windows.
It's not the hardware, it's the foundation which makes OS good or bad - Linux and MacOS are both UNIX-based, while Windows isn't.- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -4/+11i'd argue that windows is far more open to hardware than linux is, currently.
other than that, your point is valid, and well made.- Parkinsons, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1I'd argue that Linux is far more open to hardware then Windows is. Other then that, your point is valid, and well made.
- smoger, on 11/21/2007, -2/+4i would have to give the "openness" to linux, but it comes with the price of a difficult setup. windows strikes a far superior balance of openness AND usability.
how many typical users could get a wireless card from a retail box to a working state on windows? on linux?- andycr512, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3It's easier, in my experience, to get wireless cards working on Linux. I just plug them in and they work. No driver install, no reboot, no nothing - I plug them in a connect to a network; done. On Windows, I have to find drivers, install, often reboot (though thats less common these days), then use some strange custom utility in many cases to connect. So far, I have tried about 4-5 random wifi cards chosen off the shelf, and they are all automatically recognized by Ubuntu (not sure about other distros).
- killerofkiller, on 11/21/2007, -2/+3i've never had problems w/ vista and wifi cards.. after a fresh install as soon as i log in it says " wifi networks available"
- ZeRux, on 11/21/2007, -5/+1Then you must be full of crap because WiFi card didn't worked on my laptop. Then I removed that Ubuntu crap and installed Vista on it as well as drivers (and you have to be a ***** retard if you can't install a driver on Windows) and my laptop lived ever happily afterwards...Linux? Never again.
- andycr512, on 11/21/2007, -1/+3"Mine didn't work, so it must not work for anyone!"
See the logical flaw there? Not everyone happens to have your wireless card.
"you must be full of crap" "you have to be a ***** retard if you can't install a driver on Windows"
Immaturity - perpetuating ad hominem attacks since the beginning of time.
- andycr512, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3It's easier, in my experience, to get wireless cards working on Linux. I just plug them in and they work. No driver install, no reboot, no nothing - I plug them in a connect to a network; done. On Windows, I have to find drivers, install, often reboot (though thats less common these days), then use some strange custom utility in many cases to connect. So far, I have tried about 4-5 random wifi cards chosen off the shelf, and they are all automatically recognized by Ubuntu (not sure about other distros).
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -4/+11i'd argue that windows is far more open to hardware than linux is, currently.
- coolbru, on 11/21/2007, -9/+17"microsoft have the openness to 3rd parties that apple fans can only dream off"
Yup, like Vista's open-source kernel. Oh sorry, that's Leopard. If you hadn't noticed, OS X _IS_ UNIX, certified and all. OS X and Linux are very close these days - pretty much anything that runs on Linux will run unmodified on OS X. - boomchockalocka, on 11/21/2007, -2/+5My point exactly. Microsoft is bloated because they are winning the war. They have to be everything to everyone. When Apple has to do that, they will have the same bloat and virus problems.
Personally, I think Mac is prettier and there are things I like about it more than Windows, but there are things I don't care for that are more important to me. When I maximize a window, I want it totally maximized so I'm not distracted. I like Windows' right-click better. I like the Taskbar in Windows better. When Apple creates a great IDE for web-based database application development I'll take them more seriously. Right now C#.NET, IIS, and SQLServer cannot be touched for ease of use, functionality, and integration.
Oh, and who friggin' cares anyway. They are just operating systems. People have turned this into a Holy War. - lebruf, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2A leg to argue on? Is that a new idiom?
- ZeRux, on 11/21/2007, -12/+23Linux supports much more hardware than Mac OS yet it runs smoother than any version of Windows.
- StokieBread, on 11/21/2007, -14/+34Now I'm all there for a bit of a joke, but calling this hillarious is a bit over the top, I didn't laugh at all, did anyone else?
- coreyb, on 11/21/2007, -1/+8I will admit that I did...
- bitweever, on 11/21/2007, -1/+5I did.
- combatchuck, on 11/21/2007, -2/+6i lol'd
check your funny bone - tugger, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3yep, was funny.
- silverwolf761, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1Wasn't funny at all. Slightly portly businessman has a big red button, attached to sign..... How could that NOT be hilarious?
Also, did anyone ever notice how the Mac guy NEVER knows what the PC guy is doing? Could this be inside commentary on how clueless Mac fans are?- ElwinRansom, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1I think it was very well done, you don't see many multi section ads like that that aren't annoying as hell, at least I've never seen another one done so well.
And the fact that people are having to downgrade back to XP is funny in itself.
- ElwinRansom, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1I think it was very well done, you don't see many multi section ads like that that aren't annoying as hell, at least I've never seen another one done so well.
- Ashura2k, on 11/21/2007, -18/+13Lame.
- Flashman, on 11/21/2007, -8/+20Oh, that's really quite creative.
- Frostman3D, on 11/21/2007, -6/+67There's a difference between Hilarious and Mildly Amusing.
- nofactor, on 11/21/2007, -13/+12Longhorn had some interesting ideas, such as WinFS, Indigo, Avalon or WinFX. Most of them were axed from Vista, because Microsoft feared the new feature set was too ambitious. So they focused on some cosmetic changes, which make Vista more evolutionary than revolutionary. I think that if Microsoft took more risks and pushed technologies they regard as innovative, instead of following hypesters such as Apple, it would regain its glory days.
- Sinbios, on 11/21/2007, -8/+8Er, Avalon, WinFX, and Indigo are all implemented in Vista.
- Darcy, on 11/21/2007, -1/+5The only thing that was axed from vista was WinFS. Avalon became WPF, and Indigo became WCF, both became part of .net 3.0 along with Windows Workflow Foundation (WWF) and Cardspace. Most of the WinFS technology will be used in future versions of SQL and ADO.net.
- nofactor, on 11/21/2007, -1/+0It's obvious that i'm still using Windows XP. Maybe it's time for me to have a look at Vista.
Nevertheless, .NET 3.5 is available for Windows XP, so i can get WPF and WCF without having to upgrade to Vista, can I?
- gothicform, on 11/21/2007, -15/+7How hilarious! I suppose this doubles for humour with fanboys. Not only that but I see "the Mac" is played by the stupid kid actor who ruined one of the best film franchises around, Die Hard, with his infantile wining. Even more reason to watch it...yippee kay yay mo'.
- Endemoniada, on 11/21/2007, -3/+4kid actor? He's almost 30 years old...
- HolyChimp, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1But he does have a baby face...
- Endemoniada, on 11/21/2007, -3/+4kid actor? He's almost 30 years old...
- fcukbush, on 11/21/2007, -21/+9smug *****.
Just another "at least we aren't windows" ad from apple... How new and innovative! :/- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -5/+4certainly sends out a mixed message, what with bootcamp, and them going on about pc virtualisation and the ability to run windows on a mac, now they sold out to intel.
but then apple has always been about mixed messages.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -5/+4certainly sends out a mixed message, what with bootcamp, and them going on about pc virtualisation and the ability to run windows on a mac, now they sold out to intel.
- iamdon, on 11/21/2007, -9/+83errr...what ad...
****tweaks adblock+****- andycr512, on 11/21/2007, -1/+3I had to cut about 20k out of my hosts file and disable adblock before I even knew what it was talking about. I didn't even know the page had an ad...
- blackgt93, on 11/21/2007, -3/+3Why do people insist on posting this type of crap? Its like the Internet equivalent of "nana nana boo boo"...
I realize Ad-Block is available, but I'm a shallow, fat, consumerist pig, trend-whore, and I MUST have the most IN products. How am I supposed to know what to buy if ads don't tell me? - brainScan, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRAUlK8_2VE
- SlipstreamLucas, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2i know what you mean, i was browsing on a mates PC the other day, and i was like WTF is all this add *****??! i'd totally forgotten just how well adblock works with a good set of filter rules.
- cquilliam, on 11/22/2007, -0/+2Took me a while to figure out how to disable to adblock to see this ad too :)
- sl0play, on 11/21/2007, -8/+5Interesting use of webspace. Although I frequent engadget, I also run firefox with adblock and noscript. So thanks for the link (I never would have seen it otherwise).
- maarten, on 11/21/2007, -14/+9That is hilarious? Jesus... those damn fanboys. What a lame ad
- Andy1369, on 11/21/2007, -24/+19Amusing, but immature.
*waits to be dugg down*- maarten, on 11/21/2007, -9/+4I will digg you up. What a bad ad this is or diggers have no taste at all
- Entheoddity, on 11/21/2007, -4/+8Fanboys don't need taste, just a shiny white laptop.
- guy6600crazy, on 11/21/2007, -3/+3dugged up.
- maarten, on 11/21/2007, -9/+4I will digg you up. What a bad ad this is or diggers have no taste at all
- singletrack861, on 11/21/2007, -18/+36Am I the only one that finds ads like this annoying?
- musters, on 11/21/2007, -1/+8Nope, Apple has been overplaying these types of ads for WAY too long now.
- PunkRockRalph, on 11/21/2007, -8/+15i'm not a fanboy of anything, i've dabbled in both apple and microsoft. they've both been amazing. apple strikes me as the company that is really in a position to attack microsoft while microsoft just does its business and still owns a 90% market share. i'm about positive im about to but the new macbook pro, only because of its design factor which really impresses me. i like both companies, but i tend to prefer microsoft.
i dont like companies that feel they are weak enough to be in a position to blatantly attack companies that clearly have a better history than them. - juicebag, on 11/21/2007, -13/+5l2actuallydiscussthemeritsofyourownproductsandnotjustbashthecompetitor
- Fracture98, on 11/21/2007, -3/+2My product has a space bar and shift key.
- Slagar, on 11/21/2007, -11/+28I dunno why everyone hates vista so much, I've been using it for awhile now. It's pretty, has some nice features, and the not so nice ones you can turn off. I dunno about other people but in my experience it works with all my hardware perfectly, the only drivers I had to install were for my graphics card. Overpriced, sure, but the next ME people make it out to be? Far, far from it.
- jrbrewin, on 11/21/2007, -7/+17you forget, the average macbot would never objectively look at facts.
- m00nmaster, on 11/21/2007, -3/+2That's why they say YMMV.
- aptasi, on 11/21/2007, -2/+4I agree with you on several counts: it's pretty, has some nice features (some of which are pretty important for the sake of security), and it is overpriced. I certainly don't relate to it as the next ME, as it is MUCH more stable than Windows ME ever was.
But based on our in-house testing and research, we will not be deploying at our company even after SP1. The bug affecting copying large numbers of files is a show stopper, period. Beyond that, UAC is poorly executed, and we're not willing to take the performance hit. Microsoft seems to forget that its corporate users have REAL work to do using multiple software packages, and that other programs also need system resources.
Here's another way to look at it: http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-intel-gi ... - mohaine, on 11/21/2007, -3/+5I've been useing Vista for most of a year and had to switch back to XP on Monday. Why? Because Vista refused to read a MSDN Dvd. All Vista would do was pop up the "To use this disk it must be initialized". WTF? Vista even knew the correct free space, or what would have been the free space had the disk been writable. Installed XP and everything worked great.
Vista is a piece of ***** and seems to be getting worse not better. Some things in Vista are really nice, but over all, it just isn't worth the pain.- snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Ah-haa! - someone who actually uses his PC for something more than a pwetty paperweight ;)
- ScottDaMan, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1"It's pretty"
F U C K that. See, I want an OS with function over eye candy. This is why I stay with XP and install Vista on >50 year old people's computers because to them, pretty over function is good..- snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1The arguments in favour of Vista are probably "Style over substance" and the perception of it's abilities an example of valuing "Form over function". It's not a new issue to any area of design work.
There are always neophiliacs who will praise ***** but new products which fail to perform and the techno-illiterate fail to see the intrinsic beauty of elegant but simple functionality. (i.e. how cool it is to have summat basic that just works!).
Vista could have been good but as it stands it appeals merely to those who are fixated on visuals at the expense of being able to gain maximum productivity from it. Ironic really, given Microsoft's constant mantra of productivity enhancement and cost-reduction.
- snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1The arguments in favour of Vista are probably "Style over substance" and the perception of it's abilities an example of valuing "Form over function". It's not a new issue to any area of design work.
- ButchersBoy, on 11/21/2007, -9/+21Why don't Apple concentrate on illustrating their own portfolio instead of bashing that of others.
- DemonWasp, on 11/21/2007, -1/+7Because it's easier to hate than to love.
- cowboy86, on 11/21/2007, -3/+12Because they don't want people to realize how overpriced their hardware is.
- PhillyMJS, on 11/21/2007, -3/+3Because the point of the ad is to spark curiosity about the Mac and get people to visit apple.com or stop in at their local Apple Store to find out more.
If you're going to bitch that the ad doesn't "illustrate Apple's portfolio," please tell me-- when was the last time a Microsoft ad laid out the product's features? Because all I remember are catchy slogans like "Our software, your passion" and "The wow starts now." - combatchuck, on 11/21/2007, -3/+1I can read a list any time. Give me something witty.
- archivist, on 11/21/2007, -2/+2this will probably win a cyberlion next year in cannes
- hamidious, on 11/21/2007, -17/+14I honestly think Vista is crap. What is important for me is Performance and reliabily, not how visually appealing the operating system is. Vista brings computer performance down so to hell with it, it has driver problems. DX10 was meant to be forced down our throats but it was just another hyped Microsoft attempt at forcing users to upgrade.
- chris9902, on 11/21/2007, -10/+12what Apple site did you copy and paste that from?
- tugger, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1The problem for me is that to date all MS OSs have been crap. And waaay overpriced for what they do, and considering how many people have bought them. So MS say to us okay, we've made a big effort to give you something that actually works properly out of the box. It's years late and we're really sorry you've had to put up with XP for so long. Here's vista, go enjoy.
So we go spend $399 on an OS that is seriously short of features, and the damn thing is a broken bloated piece of crap. Pop-ups everywhere, failing driver support, it can't hold a wireless connection longer than an hour, it's busy uploading all kind of ***** to MS, downloading security updates, my battery time is reduced by 30% because the ram and hard drive are maxed out and vista interrogates the cdrom every 10 minutes, the 32bit version needs 2 gigs of ram, but can't access more than 3gigs.
Vista is a missed opportunity. If MS can wipe the slate clean with Office (which is an awesome piece of software) every now and then, they really need to do the same with the OS, and get rid of those 5 million line of crap that even they are unsure what it does.
- Dunhamzzz, on 11/21/2007, -12/+7buried due to not actually providing the full ad
- wesd, on 11/21/2007, -1/+10The last sentence of the article: "A full video capture of the advertisement is mirrored here."
The 'elusive' mirror it speaks of? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRAUlK8_2VE
- wesd, on 11/21/2007, -1/+10The last sentence of the article: "A full video capture of the advertisement is mirrored here."
- LeRenard, on 11/21/2007, -7/+18These ads are a great way for Apple to spread its message to the people.. as long as that message is "Macs are like this smug douche right here." What ever happened to "Think Different"?
- cowboy86, on 11/21/2007, -4/+6Then people wonder why we hate those who carry iPhones.
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2007, -5/+2Whose 'we'? You? Is that 'we'?
Do you wonder why I hate you?
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2007, -5/+2Whose 'we'? You? Is that 'we'?
- DrMonkeyLove, on 11/21/2007, -4/+2"Think Different" always bothered me. Shouldn't it be "Think Differently"?
- Kyderdog, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1No dumbass its not.
- DrMonkeyLove, on 11/21/2007, -4/+1.
- HypocriteDigg, on 11/21/2007, -4/+2Do you even know what smug means you Faux News viewing idiot?
- cowboy86, on 11/21/2007, -4/+6Then people wonder why we hate those who carry iPhones.
- Entheoddity, on 11/21/2007, -12/+27I would be willing to bet that 80 percent of people who bash Vista have never even used it.
I wish Microsoft would stoop so low as to make an attack ad against another company, though i doubt that will happen because ad hominem attacks just make you look smarmy and arrogant as a company. Bravo Apple, keep representing your user base!- aptasi, on 11/21/2007, -5/+5You might be right, and I wouldn't bet against you.
But we are testing it on several computers at work, and are so far unimpressed. It does look pretty, etc, etc, but it still has some serious issues that we are sad to see are apparently not being addressed in SP1.
Me, I don't own a Mac. But I do have a sense of humor, and I think the ads are funny. In the end, I hope the competition will result in a better version of Windows.- Etheo, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1If the ad was taken alone as a video, then yes it'd be funny. But this is an "advertisement", meaning it's suppose to SELL something, or convey a message for the product, at least. In this case, it fails to fulfill its purpose and ended up looking like a jackass trying to be funny for no good reason at all. Me? I don't use Vista, and I'm no Microsoft fanboy. I'm just fed up with all the "Mac > Windows" campaign smeared in smugness. It really make you look like the bully in this nerd war Apple.
- bitweever, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1You mean llike this?
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/def ... - faet, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2To be fair 80% of the people bashing apple probably have never used it.
MS doesn't care, most people i know with Intel Macs have installed windows on their mac. Apple sells their stuff, windows does too. Everyone wins. - snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I'd counter-bet that over 90% of those who say Vista is great haven't "used" it for serious productivity
Which raises a whole interesting argument about why people buy PCs and why bother even making an OS secure, stable or productive even if they spend their lives primarily as paperweights.
Booting up Vista to impress golfing partners with the "pwetty" screens doesn't count as "use". Nor does surfing half a dozen web pages a day, hunt-and-peck typing in a couple of emails or adding up your golf score in Excel.
Try doing some IT support. Imaging a few laptops, transferring backup image and media files over a network or doing time-constrained network maintenance and user-support and you'll soon find out how much Vista sucks compared to XP.
The lack of any perception, mention or acknowledgement of it's most glaring flaws accepted even by Microsoft suggests I might well be right here ;)
- aptasi, on 11/21/2007, -5/+5You might be right, and I wouldn't bet against you.
- iwinyoulose, on 11/21/2007, -9/+20When Apple can make an ad where they promote their own product instead of just telling me whats wrong with Windows, I'll begin to take them seriously.
- astrosmash, on 11/21/2007, -7/+4No you won't.
- CressCrowbits, on 11/21/2007, -5/+11I wonder if Apple were saying the same thing about OSX when that first came out? Don't give up on OSX! Don't go back to OS9! Really, it'll be fine once it's out of Beta ... well, fine once we've got to 10.1 ... ok make that 10.2. ALRIGHT 10.3 IT'S FINE NOW OK!!!
- mpauley, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2You're absolutely correct, they were. And that was after several false-starts and a full-on revolution of the management of Apple. Also, by this time (6 months into 10.0) Apple had already released the *FREE* 10.1 upgrade that vastly improved performance on the same hardware. Apple was lucky in that a) there were fewer users to herd and b) the previous OS was really way more broken than XP is. So Apple just said "tough luck" to legacy (and has been saying so ever since). That being said, even Microsoft would have to admit that Apple is an absolute champ at platform migration ( apple II -> 68k Macintosh -> PPC -> OSX PPC -> OSX X86 -> OSX ARM (iPhone)).
- jeremyduffy, on 11/21/2007, -11/+9Huh. Made it to the front page twice. Well, same comment then:
God. Damned. Brilliant. - anjinash, on 11/21/2007, -7/+16Eh, Vista isn't nearly as horrible as people like to say it is. It did fall short of all of its promise though and needs far more powerful hardware for tasks that XP can do without breaking a sweat on 5+ year old machines. I "switched" to Macs over the Summer and am quite happy with them, but you have to admit that if Apple had to support even a fraction of the hardware that Microsoft does, they'd be in the same position. You try maintaining that much code and keep it stable and secure. It's just not possible.
Hodgeman is a blast though, always fun to watch him. Long just needs to crawl under a rock somewhere though.- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -4/+5I'm impressed, not very many people realize how difficult it must be to make an OS work with thousands and thousands of different hardware combinations. OSX is just an OS tailored to a couple dozen different machines not nearly as impressive. I'm sure linux would be amazing (more so) if the developers only had to fine tune it to a couple dozen different configurations, in fact I'm certain it would surpass OSX if that was the case.
- mpauley, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2I understand what you're saying, but I disagree: according to the BSD 4.4 book only 6% of modern operating system code is platform specific, and they've got to support big-endian / little-endian / RISC / CISC and differing addressing schemes all in one body of code. What is needed here is clear boundaries between architecture-specific algorithms (usually forked as optimizations) and non-specific algorithms. My personal theory is that Linux does the job well because open source software _requires_ a comprehensive validation process, and a clear integration process which greases the wheels across the board. I would hate to imagine how much magickal code is in the MS source base, you know code with comments like /*here be dragons*/, or /*DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!!*/ . I mean in my experience even public MS API is broken (I'm looking at you threaded, asynchronous WinINet), do people not test this stuff?
- gordonf238, on 11/21/2007, -0/+0My Mom got a new Compaq desktop with Vista preloaded. After a week, it takes the desktop 10 minutes to load. No message, no anything. Finally, it displays "error loading [some system file] /system]. Furthermore, her IE7 seems to crash after a few minutes of browsing. She installed no malware, spyware or any other internet utility. I tried to get her to buy a Mac. She said they were too pricey. Now she's paying for it in time. Lots of time. Just waiting for her desktop to load in hopes she could browse the web for a few minutes before her browser crashes.
- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2ever hear of firefox?
- MagicCake, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1What makes you think that's the normal Vista experience? Something obviously went badly wrong with that machine.
- HolyChimp, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1How does she know she's installed no malware or spyware? These things are pretty sneaky, they don't just pop up with "Install SpyWare2.0! Your PC could be 50% less productive and 300% more unstable!"
10 minute boot ups and crashing browsers aren't the norm. My machine boots in *checks* 30 seconds.
- snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Try using Vista over a local area network or wireless LAN (WLAN) to copy files. I've had Vista taking 5 minutes to copy a 500kb file (thats KILO bytes!!! FFS!!). That's barely faster than dialup speeds for network file transfers.
UPGRADING to XP has facilitated transfer of hard disk backup images of GIGABYTES in size in a matter of minutes rather than hours even over WLAN. Even after applying known patches and tweaks such as remote differential compression features etc. After hours of "swimming through treacle" XP was blisteringly fast. Vista just doesn't cut the mustard when pushed. What's more this behavior is constent and repeatable and has already been accepted as a "bug" which was not spotted during beta testing.
Try using the habitual ALT+ENTER accelerator keys to pull up a drive properties in Explorer. Not funny if you're a power user with work to do to find even common shortcuts aren't implemented.
If you're a professional support tech Vista is a nightmare - esp. if you are regularly working against the clock. Time is money here and there's no time to "big up" Microsoft at the expense of one's own pocket where they've clearly screwed up. I'd give Vista till at least SP2 before most of the really annoying faults are addressed. By then the next version of Windows will be on the horizon anyway along with the next O/S bill and rollout plans to replace the then "future redundant" IT kit.
Yep, I'd agree Vista is great and very pretty - if you want to sit and look at it, maybe surf a couple of web pages and impress your golfing partners with your next executive toy. BOFHs will probably see things differently. "You pays yer money and makes yer choice" (or not in this case since Microsoft want to ensure you have no consumer choice)- MagicCake, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1I routinely copy large files back and forth between a Vista and an XP machine. It's not slow at all. Zero problems. So...?
- anjinash, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1I don't have your file copying issues, are you sure you have file sharing set up properly? I copy files to and fro my Vista box with Ubuntu, OSX and XP without any issues. When in Vista, the built in copy/move has been documented to be slow because of the drm ***** attached to it. Just use a little free util called Teracopy to do your copy/moves in Vista and you'll be blazing.
- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -4/+5I'm impressed, not very many people realize how difficult it must be to make an OS work with thousands and thousands of different hardware combinations. OSX is just an OS tailored to a couple dozen different machines not nearly as impressive. I'm sure linux would be amazing (more so) if the developers only had to fine tune it to a couple dozen different configurations, in fact I'm certain it would surpass OSX if that was the case.
- peterkatheter, on 11/21/2007, -13/+7I m not a Mac fan, would never buy one of those, but anything that criticizes against Vista is good :)
- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -7/+10I wish Microsoft would release some attack ads against Apple.
- WarMace, on 11/21/2007, -6/+34Hi im a PC, Hi im a Mac. (PC)-I can game. (Mac)-I can game too! (PC)- Here is my list of exclusive games. (PC Starts reading games list, fade to black after 3000 or so are listed)
- JoeyDeacon, on 11/21/2007, -1/+14Harsh but fair
- Kyderdog, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1(Mac)Well PC most of those titles are crap... but if I want to run them I can boot in it windows via boot camp. And the ones that are worth anything get ported to the Mac.
- Darcy, on 11/21/2007, -5/+2But that would be called FUD
- meshman, on 11/21/2007, -4/+12Microsoft (not that I'm praising them too highly) tells you what their products will do for you. Apple says Windows sucks. That's their whole ad campaign. Windows sucks.
One of the most important rules in business is that you don't bad mouth your competition because it makes you looke far worse than they are. Apple obviously hasn't learned this yet.- bawjaws, on 11/21/2007, -2/+4To be fair, badmouthing MS doesn't seem to be doing them any harm though.
It's not that impressive a claim though, is it - being better than Windows. It's a bit like being the tallest dwarf.- B1663r, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1For an astonishing amount of the Microsoft hating hive mind, simply not being Microsoft, makes it a better product. Thankfully haters are an extreme minority, if very loud.
And people that derive identity from brand loyalty are scarry on so many different levels.
- B1663r, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1For an astonishing amount of the Microsoft hating hive mind, simply not being Microsoft, makes it a better product. Thankfully haters are an extreme minority, if very loud.
- bawjaws, on 11/21/2007, -2/+4To be fair, badmouthing MS doesn't seem to be doing them any harm though.
- zezerik, on 11/21/2007, -1/+4Attack-ads are so far below Microsoft. Now, midnight-kidnappings, torture sessions, insider-trading, blowing up Apple kiosks in crowded malls, secret agents... thats more Microsoft's Style ;)
- flux1, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2When the competition is that far behind you in market share, you have no need to release attack ads against them. No matter how annoying they are.
- snowball69, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1That might trigger an embarrassing scrutiny of what the actual deal is here by potential punters. Don't think the Redmond boys haven't punted the idea around. If you have a product which is ***** then keeping a low profile might be the most appropriate course of action.
- WarMace, on 11/21/2007, -6/+34Hi im a PC, Hi im a Mac. (PC)-I can game. (Mac)-I can game too! (PC)- Here is my list of exclusive games. (PC Starts reading games list, fade to black after 3000 or so are listed)
- meshman, on 11/21/2007, -14/+48Why should I buy a Mac? Because Windows sucks.
What can a Mac do for me? Windows sucks.
How does the Mac do things better? Windows sucks.
Nice ad campaign.- GreenAlien, on 11/21/2007, -5/+6http://www.apple.com/getamac/
They're actually well made. And just about everyone on the net knows about them so pretty effective adverts if you ask me. It's a little childish but Apple can get away with it because of their market share - if they were close to or bigger than Microsoft then they wouldn't want to acknowledge them.- B1663r, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1Actually, looking at the raw market share data, the advertising done by apple the last 5 years has really only stemmed their slide. They have a ~little~ bit of growth in market share, but that is coming from Unix market share. So really by any traditional measure, they have totally failed to capture the target demographic, which leads me to believe they do these add to reassure people who own Macintosh computers and prevent them from looking at vista.
- Protoss, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1Coming from Unix market share? How do you know that?
- B1663r, on 11/21/2007, -2/+1Actually, looking at the raw market share data, the advertising done by apple the last 5 years has really only stemmed their slide. They have a ~little~ bit of growth in market share, but that is coming from Unix market share. So really by any traditional measure, they have totally failed to capture the target demographic, which leads me to believe they do these add to reassure people who own Macintosh computers and prevent them from looking at vista.
- cowboy86, on 11/21/2007, -4/+4Sounds to be like Apple is the Rudy Guiliani of the computer world.
- diggFunction, on 11/21/2007, -1/+2if they only said Bush sucks it would be like every democrat
- organicpixels, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1No, More like Ron Paul.
The underdog doing what the people want him to do.- Bamborzled, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Apple and Ron Paul... in ONE THREAD?
Uh-oh. Guys, get in the nuclear bunker. The apocalypse has begun.
- Bamborzled, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Apple and Ron Paul... in ONE THREAD?
- gordonf238, on 11/21/2007, -2/+2You've never actually used a Mac, have you? Thought so.
- ubergeek09, on 11/21/2007, -1/+3Yes I enjoy how they tell how you how horrible Windows is every five seconds. Then not too ago they were bragging that Windows could be run on a Mac, and they acted like it was a good thing? So does Windows suck? If it sucks so bad why would you want to run it on your overpriced piece of crap Mac?
- dysonlu, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1Eventual buyer: "uhmmm, what's this vista thing I keep hearing? Let's find out..."
Apple: "Doh!"
- GreenAlien, on 11/21/2007, -5/+6http://www.apple.com/getamac/
- Araxen, on 11/21/2007, -10/+15I found this commercial humorous but too bad Macs are overpriced compared to PC's with Vista. Apple needs to lower their prices if they really want to compete with the PC market.
- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -7/+9Nah they have a niche market with elitist *****, they're doing fine and can continue to do fine catering to this demographic.
- zezerik, on 11/21/2007, -3/+5Don't forget, only on Apple computers can you "make movies" and "listen to music" !!!
- organicpixels, on 11/21/2007, -3/+1Um,
Microsoft Vista Basic = $99.95
Microsoft Vista Premium = $159.95
Microsoft Vista Ultimate = $259.95
OSX Leopard = 129.00- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3He was talking about hardware not software. "Macs are overpriced compared to PC's"
- organicpixels, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1But you get what you pay for. Would like a Ford or a Honda?
- dezman2003, on 11/23/2007, -0/+1Both companies have nice vehicles and crap vehicles, I would do some research and find which one suits me best instead of blinding buying something based on its brand name alone.
- organicpixels, on 11/22/2007, -0/+1But you get what you pay for. Would like a Ford or a Honda?
- iiDLii, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2who actually pays for PC software in the days of piratebay :)
- Stirk, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1People that want to support the developers of the software
- faet, on 11/21/2007, -0/+2OSX Leopard through school = $109
Vista Business through school = $0
Windows XP pro through school = $0
- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3He was talking about hardware not software. "Macs are overpriced compared to PC's"
- dezman2003, on 11/21/2007, -7/+9Nah they have a niche market with elitist *****, they're doing fine and can continue to do fine catering to this demographic.
- proverbs17, on 11/21/2007, -8/+7This ad is funny, but I like the new one that apple is running on TV where the windows guy admits to going back to xp.
BTW, I run XP @ home, OSX @ work, and Xubuntu while traveling.- musters, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1So does that mean Apple just admitted that XP was a great OS?
** edit ** XP SP2 that is.. XP SP err uhh 0 plain sucks. - gordonf238, on 11/21/2007, -2/+4Wow, Windows, OS X AND Linux? You're way cool man!
- musters, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1So does that mean Apple just admitted that XP was a great OS?
- bawjaws, on 11/21/2007, -4/+1My sides! My sides!
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