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How big is the iPhone? Comparison to iPod, iPod nano and SLVR
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- chadu, on 10/12/2007, -14/+97is that an iphone in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
- ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -55/+101No, no iPhone in my pocket.
And yes, the $599 I'm saving by not buying one makes me very happy! - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -12/+165"is that an iphone in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"
No, it's a Sprint phone. Just a regular ol' Sprint phone. Oh, and a boner. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -20/+104Agreed . . . no iPhone for me.
If you're going to charge $599, that's fine, but let me choose my carrier and don't force me to get a "multi-year" contract with Cingular.
Do I have to sign up for 4 years of MSN dial-up at $23.99/month too? I don't like your attitude Apple. - blahtastic, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16I considered this since my cingular contract is fairly near to being up, but 600 dollars...you've got to be kidding me... I'd rather have a separate phone and mp3 player.
The other concern I had was the battery life, with a touch screen that big and an mp3 player it's safe to say I'd kill it pretty quick. What is the official battery life anyway? I haven't seen it listed.
Oh, and @ chatwithaninja below me, Cingular kills verizons signal in my area, but everybody gets verizon anyway cause of that damn IN thing...guess you can't please everyone.. - chatwithaninja, on 10/12/2007, -19/+16Nope - Cingular gets bad reception in my area....
Shame to tie a great product to a mediocre service. - aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -14/+34I'm a huge Apple fan, even a writer for the MacCast... But despite how great this phone may be I think the price tag is a joke. Especially considering the heck phones go through, and how often people end up having to replace them. It's just not worth the investment in my opinion. This years MacWorld was a bit of a letdown in my eyes.
I really want a 12 inch MacBook for college, as well as a new iSight. All I got was an AppleTV for the HDTV I can't afford yet (college kid) and a phone I wont buy in six months. But who knows, maybe they'll do an iPhone JR aka iPhone for people without a PS3 worth of cash to throw away on a phone. - Lazybones, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@blahtastic
5 hrs talk time (better than teh 3.4 to 4 hrs of most PDA phones)
16 hrs MP3 playback (Not bad probably MUCH better than most PDA phones)
Standby? - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37"I'm a huge Apple fan, even a writer for the MacCast... But despite how great this phone may be I think the price tag is a joke. Especially considering the heck phones go through, and how often people end up having to replace them. It's just not worth the investment in my opinion. This years MacWorld was a bit of a letdown in my eyes."
Have you seen how much the competition costs?
Treo 700 with 2 year service contract from Verizon - $499 in store
Cingular 8525 with 2 year contract - $399
And look how much better the iPhone is. The iPhone is very cheap compared to the competition. And as with the iPod, it will only get cheaper. - lifesagame, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Do consider the price of other phones on the market. You look at any of the newer sleek camera/music player phones on the market and you'll be paying from $400-$550. Apple premium + large-ish ipod video, etc, etc would make a price much lower seem hard to believe (though, I agree, much welcomed. And the multi-year contract thing does suck. What's the price of the iPhone with no contract, or just a one year one?)
- aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12It took the iPod a long time to get that $50 price drop though buddy. Yeah it's "better" you claim, but you haven't actually used it yet. For all you know the feel of it is terrible.
Your "cheap compared to the competition" claim is that of a Sony fanboy. Think about it, agian, sure it may be better, but is it so much better that you would spend $200 more, so that if the device breaks you loose the 400 and the 200 dollar device? Don't get me wrong, I like it, I want it, but I don't want it badly enough to spend that kind of money. Also, those other phone are available with more than one carrier. - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2It's not really a phone any more. It's more like a tricorder/communicator combo.
But still ... call me when it's got a phasor and voice-operated command line. - MrBlackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Guys, after seeing the God-awful smart phones and PDA's my provider's been hawking and their price tags (not a whole lot different than Apple's), I have to say that the new iPhone looks pretty good. It's a tad bit expensive, but not by much. No other phones I've played with have nearly as good an interface or features. And that's my biggest complaint about phones: NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO DEVELOP A DECENT MOBILE INTERFACE!
Watching Steve's demo, I kept saying to myself, "Oh! That's how you make this/that better! Why didn't Motorola/Sony Ericsson/Nokia/Audiovox think of that? Why didn't *I* think of that?! It's so simple!" And that's just what it is: Apple is master at design. This phone fixes EVERY interface complaint I've had with the many phones I've owned.
Anyone that doubts this product should hop on Slashdot and do a search the year 2001 for "iPod." - anewcomputer, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0http://anewcomputer.chipin.com/a-new-apple-iphone
- jsully, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@blahtastic
It has two batteries, one for the phone, one for everything else - that way you don't need to be concerned about using the media capabilities. - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"Your "cheap compared to the competition" claim is that of a Sony fanboy. Think about it, agian, sure it may be better, but is it so much better that you would spend $200 more, so that if the device breaks you loose the 400 and the 200 dollar device? Don't get me wrong, I like it, I want it, but I don't want it badly enough to spend that kind of money. Also, those other phone are available with more than one carrier."
Huh? Sony has the most expensive console on the market. Apple is the same price as everyone. And the rest of the market is pretty crappy. Even if the iPhone is only as half as good as it looks, it's still better than everything else. - Furthur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11My contract will end in July, and I'll at least consider the new iPhone when it does. Aside from being a mac user for the past 3 years, I think they're great alternatives to the windows and blackberry based PDA's and smartphones. I also graduate and enter the "real world" in May, and I think that a phone that does calling, texting , mail, and internet browsing as well as this could replace me carrying a laptop.
PDA's on Cingular w/contract wo/rebate
Palm Treo 750 $499
Samsung BlackJack $449.99
BlackBerry 8700c $399.99
So $599 for a smartphone that's actually smart AND an mp3 player? Doesn't seem too bad. - dogoon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I was really hoping that the iPhone and Wide screen ipod would be 2 separate things. i just want to get to wide screen ipod. i don't want to spend $599 for the wide screen ipod, plus a bunch of other things i don't need
- texpundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've already got Cingular...and I will be hovering outside the Cingular store downstairs from my office the day this thing comes out. It's more of a bargain than any of the Blackberries or Treos I've seen. And Cingular reception in this area (except in the subway, where Verizon rules) is just fine.
I can't WAIT! :) - JohnyD, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5No, it's a blackberry pearl with push email, edge, bluetooth, a billion other features and it's MUCH SMALLER. I mean seriously... that thing is bigger than an iPod v1. OH, and it didn't cost CLOSE to the "iPhone".... and I've got 2 gigs in it too. I think it looks fabulous and will probably set a new standard in phones but they're charging a mint for it. Wait 6 months and buy a competitors product. Probably be better quality.... inna year people will be complaining cause their iPhone doesn't charge anymore. ;)
- biffnix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And the hell of it is that Apple will have Cingular sell this phone with NO discounts to subsidize hardware cost with service. Only a few other phones tried this (by selling handsets based on features and "cool" factor alone), and failed miserably. Most notable was Xelibri, a range of good-looking phones which Siemens tried to sell direct to the public before giving up in 2004. (quote from The Register in the UK). And although the phone is undoubtedly cool, will you REALLY shell out $599 undiscounted, when you can buy a PDA/Phone that can already play videos, play MP3s, has Bluetooth v2, has wifi for $299 plus the cost of a 2GB mini-flash card? (Samsung, UTStarcom, et al). Sure, they're not nearly as sexy, but *mass* adoption? It'll be a tough sell. I wish 'em luck!
Joe G.
Bishop, CA - warriorscot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Its a bit big i agree, personally ild rather have a small phone that does everything i want a phone to do you cant really beat the motorolas and samsungs as phones. Also price is a factor a RAZR for example is like £60-70 now if i lose it or its stolen no big deal i cant ake it out on a night out and not worry to much, if i was taking that thing i would worry after blowing half a grand on a phone.
Also my razr can go for a week or more without a charge, my HDD walkman goes two or three days(6 or 7 hours a day) both had better battery life that anything else i looked at and that was a big factor for me as i hate batteries dying(always happens when you particularly need them).
16 hours is about average for a mp3 player, and that's playing music i take it video will be the same as others 3-4 hours, not bad if it was an mp3/video player but its a phone too, sorry but that kind of battery life on my phone isn't acceptable its quite possible alot of people will have to charge it not only every day but twice every day if you are going out at night too. If it didn't have the phone in it i would probably consider buying it alot of the features look cool its very stylish and featureful might even balance the DRM crap factor and it would probably lower the price which would be even better. Two devices in one is fantastic but battery technology needs to improve considerably before i consider even trying it.
Also as a question would the battery be replacable, i dont buy phones or mp3 players unless i can buy spare batteries and replace them i ideally always carry a spare battery(also keeps battery life up as you run them flat before a full charge). - DPimp1262, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What razr do you have? Because when I had one it would last 2 maybe 3 days max. This phone's battery life is taking into account continuous use. They are saying that it will play music for 16 hours strait not that it will last 16 hours till it dies. I bet, especially since when it is in your pocket not playing music the screen is off, that it will last about as long as the other smart phones do. This phone is also not geared towards the market the razr is currently in. It's geared towards more power users that have the money to pay for it and are tired of their smart phones requiring you to sit with it for 3 days to learn exactly how to do everything. This phone is the definition of what apple makes. Simple yet powerful.
And no they can't go into the market for a simple phone because the market is already saturated with simple phones and unlike the users of smart phones, most people that use simple phones only want to use them to call people, send the occasional text message and maybe MAYBE take a picture of their drunk friend at a party. That's it. You know what? Current phones like the razr already do a damn good job of that. There is no market for apple there.
On the other hand smart phones have been built from the ground up just wrong. In becoming powerful they forgot the fundamental factor that people still want their stuff to be incredibly easy to use. This phone is easy to use and is incredibly powerful (I really want to know what ungodly processor powers that behemoth) and is incredibly thin and is competitively priced with current smart phones. Also we are hearing the price without a plan as 500 and 600 respectively. Who's to say that cingular won't tie it in to a 2 year plan and drop the price 200 bucks? - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This phone is also about the size of the Zune...
111.8 x 61 x 14.7mm Zune
115.0 x 61 x 11.6mm iPhone
Basically the Zune is about 3 mm thicker but the iPhone is a bit more than 4 mm taller. - spazmotron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Here's a video of Steve Jobs holding the iPhone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_f-KK140vM
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- ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -55/+101No, no iPhone in my pocket.
- The_Ox, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Very cool - thanks for making this.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2I wish you would have included some of the phone's competitors, like the Treo, Blackberry, Sidekick, etc..
- bradleyland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Feel free to stop by and add any device you'd like:
http://www.sizeasy.com - anewcomputer, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0http://anewcomputer.chipin.com/a-new-apple-iphone
- iching, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20I wonder how long until the iPod video 30g and 80g will be updated with some of features of the iPhone?
- ajchavar, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5like what? the majority of the features are based off of the wireless and the touchscreen, which the 30Gb and 80GB don't have.
unless you are talking about new products and not firmware updates, but i don't think they'll make a sort of hybrid anytime soon (or at all), or else they would have announced it.
what would be the point of a hyprid between this and an ipod anyway, IMO, it would have just enough functionality to piss you off that it doesnt have more functionality.
i suppose they could add cover flow and widgets, but they wouldnt be live updating. - cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2you mean like the Multi-Touch input system.. my guess very zune!
- flake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Would be pretty hard to do most of the features since the iPhone is running OS X and has different hardware sensors. Most of the nicest features are about the convergence anyway, close to impossible to do on an iPod without having some way for it to hook to a phone.
- dpcdomino, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Full screen and bluetooth would be nice
- KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7What you should really be wondering is, how long before they discontinue the iPod video. If this thing can function without cellular service then there won't be any point to them carrying the iPod video much longer. They would obviously need to address some pricing issues and storage space with that though.
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Except for, you know, the miniscule memory? 8GB is nowhere near enough for a decent video player.
- iching, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I was sorta relieved they didn't update the iPod yet.
I would like to have a widescreen and the touch features the 80g hard drive could handle a better 0S system to allow it.
I just had to replace my iPod photo, it was in a flood, with the iPod video, so I hope they won't update
the iPod video to widescreen until spring or summer. - anewcomputer, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0http://anewcomputer.chipin.com/a-new-apple-iphone
- SnyderMan32x33, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0he was talking about a new generation ipod with iphone like features not updating the firmware for current gen ipods.
- ajchavar, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5like what? the majority of the features are based off of the wireless and the touchscreen, which the 30Gb and 80GB don't have.
- celestial, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6i wonder if they'll still sell the 5g after this year
- cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19this isn't going to replace the ipod.
- jsully, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'd imagine they'll move on to another G, possibly 6.
- tacom8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I do hope thats where they are taking this as the new ui to ipods/phones... ie a non phone version with the touch screen (the ipod video with wifi that everyone wants). I would buy that.
- antique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2notice how apple.com completely separated the iPhone from the iPod; I doubt that will happen.
- pmac23, on 10/12/2007, -22/+0You're a Penn Stater!!!! I saw the ArtsFest photos on your flickr site! Let's go State!
- dpcdomino, on 10/12/2007, -18/+50Too big for a normal Joe Schmo cell phone
No exchange server limits it as a business phone
8 gigs limits it as an iPod.
Who is this market for? Yuppies with a s-load of expendable income? I thought that went out with the tech boom.
Please let me have a real new iPod.- jo42, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27> No exchange server limits it as a business phone
For how long? It's running OS X. Someone will no doubt develop Exchange support just like yer Crackberrys. - clinko, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17"Who is this market for? Yuppies with a s-load of expendable income? "
If you live in a major city, you can't afford an apartment or parking anymore. Why do you think every other person in manhattan has an iPod? The gadget yuppie is a product of the housing market :) - flake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4A valid argument but I wonder what kind of iCal support it has...?
- ratpH1nk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12As you can see, it is really no bigger than the slvr, definitely less wide than the blackberries. I access my exchange server through imap...so that is clear.
How does 8 gigs limit is as an iPod more than the shuffle or the nano? - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Aren't all the iPod owners seen like that already?
- ericksoncn, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9$500 for basically a Mac doesn't exactly sound like Yuppie money to me.
- cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7those who would buy a macbook or macbook pro. I can't wait to hand over $599 to apple for one of those beauties.. even thought i'm not happy of being locked with cingular...
- bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4anyone who owns a cell phone and an ipod nano or ipod mini might consider buying an iphone. Anyone renewing their contract w/Cingular who doesn't think 5-600 for a device w/out exchange isn't expensive. Anyone with a HD based ipod and cell phone who would sacrifice max song-count limitations to have an all in one device.
- Lazybones, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Price fits the NEW PDA phone device price range just fine.. Probably price drop like every other PDA phone on the market after a year.
- mgkwho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10People who buy smart phones are usually willing to pay a lot of money.
People who buy smart phones + ipods are now willing to spend the same money for both on one package.
I thought that was obvious.
-=|Mgkwho - tomvendetta, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19@ericksoncn:
$500 for basically a mac? Can this run Photoshop, iMovie, or any other memory intensive program? I think this is very far from "basically a mac." - ericksoncn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2@ tomvendetta
So it can't run memory intensive apps. My basic point is that Apple makes great products at a great value. I'm just tired of people characterizing Apple product owners as "Yuppies". - broomett, on 10/12/2007, -18/+1And belonard...you knwo what that means? FEWER iPods sold now.
Guess who wins? The Zune! Their market share is guaranteed to increase now . Few iPods will definitely be sold now.
Good move Apple. You cannibalized your biggest profit maker...the only product that you are actually successful with...to enter a ridiculously crowded market and alreay cut yourself off from the vast majority of people.
If they think that people are going to pay a termination fee AND $600 to get out of thier current contract, they are idiots. And people who are happy with their providers (or unhappy about past contract with Cingular) are NOT going to switch just to get a ***** phone.
Most people have enough self confidence that they don't feel that owning a phone will make the gain soical acceptance. I realize that Apple fanboys (and most of Digg users) DON'T have that social acceptance. But that is a teeny tiny amount of people.
This phone is for fanboys only. And they don't seem to realize that most of the iPod users are casual users. (If they were fanobys, then more then 8% of iod purchasers would buy a Mac. - broomett, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5But dpc...8 Gigs is plenty for an iPod. Most people surveyed say they don't care about 40, 60 Gig of storage. Tehre are a LOT of casual users who do not want to rip every single song off every single CD they own, and/or put every single MP3 they have downloaded on their iPod. And even many that do don't have tha many songs. (A lot of people have LIVES and don't spend it downloading music.) Also, most people don't give a ***** about video features.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"Good move Apple. You cannibalized your biggest profit maker...the only product that you are actually successful with...to enter a ridiculously crowded market and alreay cut yourself off from the vast majority of people. "
Music phones and integrated devices are the next big thing. Who cares about the Zune? Let the Zune stay on the trailing edge of technology. Apple is about the next big thing. - toppur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"No exchange server limits it as a business phone"
I'm pretty sure Steve said it would have exchange in the keynote. POP and IMAP too, so it's a pretty good business phone in my opinion. - Lazybones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@toppur
No, he said it does not need exchange and went into how they will have push email through Yahoo and support IMAP and POP. Sort of left us with the question "What about all those with big corporate emails servers?"
I have a feeling this is the iSomething version and that there will be a PRO version with corporate features later on. - dpcdomino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38 gigs is enough for casual users but how many casual users are going to pop $600 for a phone/iPod? The Nano succeeds because of its size and price point, and not its flash drive.
This is not a casual users product.
And I am not calling Apple buyers "yuppies." I am just trying to find a target market. - broomett, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0colincornhole...who says that MP3 playing phones are the leading edge of technology? YOU? And you being a ***** nobody would know HOW exactly? Hate to tell you but ALL surveys of cell phone users come to the same conclusions. They want FEWER bells and whistles and more focus on hte ...GASP...PHONE.
And the Zune is trailing edge? It is more technologically advanced that the iPod.
You have proven to he world why no one will ever talk to you in a serious fashion. You will always be looked at as the guy to go to when you want to laugh at someone behind their backs. - Mirag3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Broomett
Yeah I know exactly what you're talking about man. You know all those cool features that cell phones have nowadays? Who needs that?! And TV? Pff! Who needs color? What happened to the good old days before all those yuppity kids got all "inventive" and "artistic"? Damn kids, get off my lawn! - JonDiggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2will all of you ***** poor asses stop bitching about the cost, its a revolutionary product, its not going to be cheap, so keep bitching about how much it costs, when i pull one out your going to put your KRZR away and look away in shame!
- jo42, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27> No exchange server limits it as a business phone
- yomamadudeyo, on 10/12/2007, -21/+5I just want the phone and email stuff -- not the crap iTunes, etc.
- gardnmi, on 10/12/2007, -38/+3http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/affiliate?vendorid=ONLINEMEDIA&jspName=/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=preZip&ziprequired=false
Go to the PDA/Smartphone section and look at the very last phone. Looks a lot like the IPhone.- yomamadudeyo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Not. Even. Close.
- mugdecoffee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It really doesn't...
- smoothoperatah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6/edit
damn you guys are fast.. - ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I have that phone and it looks NOTHING like the iPhone.
Whatever point you were trying to make....you failed miserably. - aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5A PDA phone with a slide out QWERTY keyboard and a nubby anntena....
Yup ... JUST like the IPhone. Douche. - MrBlackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, that phone is a piece. They tried hawking one to me last time I upgraded my phone. Not impressed. It runs clunky Windows Mobile, and it's almost as expensive as the iPhone, besides.
- Lazybones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have the 6700, it is nearly 4x as thick, I call it the bright. It has a smaller screen and not half of the SIMPLE phone functionality demoed, without going and getting piles of 3rd party software to FIX all the lacking built in features. Install a bad 3rd party app and the damn thing is unstable.
I will be watching the iPhone closely, that is for sure, looks like they got the PDA/PHONE right! - nomski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Windows Mobile doesn't even look anything like OS X running on the iPhone.
- ajamer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1anyone else having trouble loading the pictures?
- Permanent4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4So not that much bigger than a 5G iPod, or the Archos Gmini 402 in my pocket. And thinner than the Treo 650 on my hip. Impressive. I sure hope the CPU doesn't burn a hole in my pocket...
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like I posted earlier...
It is much larger than the 5G iPod... in fact its about the size of the Zune (although cooler but probably as heavy if not heavier considering the electronic hardware, the double batteries, the sensors, and the touchscreen).
111.8 x 61 x 14.7mm Zune
115.0 x 61 x 11.6mm iPhone
Basically the Zune is about 3 mm thicker but the iPhone is a bit more than 4 mm taller. So its not a small baby.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like I posted earlier...
- azxplorer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Hey People,
Lets all start pushing Cingular for an upgrade path to the iPhone.
Anyone know where to start a on-line petition or something like that?
Johnny- bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2http://www.google.com/search?q=petition
- broomett, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4More proof that Apple fanboys have the inteligence level of 10 year olds. This guy thinks that online petitions work.
- MrBlackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Using the term "Apple fanboys" proves that you are 10 years old.
- Mirag3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"inteligence"
Oh god, the irony.
- zyle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3How big is it compared to the Moto RAZR? If comparable I'll almost certainly pick it up next year Jan when my contract expires.
I've never been a big apple fan, always thought the whole mac/ipod thing was severely and grossly overrated.. and I'm surprised at how "interested" the iphone has got me...- badtz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just checked on this also ...
basically, it's a hair thinner than the RAZR. a hair wider. And a touch taller. - Pests, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6RAZR v3: 98 x 53 x 14 mm
iPhone: 115 x 61 x 11.6 mm - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow this must mean that Badtz has 1-1.5 centimeter hairs... just what sort of creature are you?
- badtz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just checked on this also ...
- DJSdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The important thing for me is comparing the iPhone to my Blackberry 8700c that I use currently. The iPhone is ony 0.2" longer than my Blackberry, 0.3" less wide but almost TWICE as thin!
- Kalan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."
Above is the fine print on Apple's website about the iPhone. I am sure they are going to get it, but wouldn't it suck for Apple Inc., if they didn't? - rkoopmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7dug for the http://www.sizeasy.com reference. i always ended up folding a piece of paper to the dimensions, but i like this more.
- gelgod, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1bury
- gelgod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Mock-up I did to get a better idea of size. http://www.jameskocsis.com/blogimages/ClintandiPhone.jpg
download your own at: http://www.jameskocsis.com/iPhone.pdf
Print it and cut it out.- bram, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How'd it sound?
- gelgod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sounded a little flat.
hahaha...oh man, i'm good.
- sl33stak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm on Verizon now, and I know Steve probably couldn't convince Verizon not to cripple the iPhone, but still, with all the web features, wouldn't the EVDO network have been something worth negotiating for? Given the high speed of EVDO.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stupid CDMA network. I'm under Alltel so I couldn't buy this thing off of eBay when I got some money and reprogram it. Stupid stupid stupid CDMA.
- thedraft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Price with a 2 year Cingular contract is a dagger, no two ways about it. Apple may have revolutionized cell phone hardware, but I wish they'd turned their attention to cell phone service :(
- broomett, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1LAdies and gentlemen, we have a new winning is the most pathetic fanboy contest. This Flickr moron is expecting an update on the iPhone by March! The damn thing is not even AVAILABLE yet and he is expecting updates in 2 months?. It may not even be available by then.
- Theophany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Actually, that would be March '08, not '07 as you assumed.
- broomett, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Why are you burying him? He was right. I didn't see it said a YEAR from March.
But there is another thing about why this Apple phone is not the guaranteed success.
There is hype for it now. On average, most people are stuck in contracts for one more year. That hype will be over, and competitors phones will be announced by then. The cell phone market has fanboys of its own. They are loyal to their current products/providers. The cell phone industry has haters of its own. Those that hate Cingular are not going to give them another chance just for the priviledge of paying a ridiculous amount of money for a phone.
This will get a very small market share. Anyone expecting millions or even tens of millions (as some idiots has suggested) sold this year are complete fools. Anyone expecting an iPod like dominance need to leave this planet now.
And again...every iPhone sold is one less iPod sold. They've cannibalized their iPod market share. And the Zune wins. - MrBlackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What cellphone "fanboys" are you talking about, exactly? I've owned four different cell phones by four different companies. In fact, I don't know one person that has any loyalty to one cell phone maker. Why do you think that is? It is because no company has released a stand-out product. The closest are the RAZR (WOW, it's thin! But wait... Sanyo just released the exact same phone under the name Katana.) and the LG Chocolate because it looks like an iPod. There is NO brand loyalty in the market, because the phones all do the same stuff (and generally not very well).
The thing that sets the iPhone apart from the rest is that it has features and an interface that no one else offers. Other companies will try, now that they've seen the iPhone, but I'd tend to guess that Apple's patents will stop any blatant copying (see: iPod click-wheel vs. Zune useless-wheel).
If you're denying this is a ground-breaking product, your hatred for Apple and their "fanboys" as you so childishly call them far outweighs your ability to reason. At first glance, this product fixes every complaint I've had about the mobile experience. I'm just glad somebody **ANYBODY** had the design knowledge and experience to finally do so. - Timit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2broomett: I was about to dig you up, then you just have to ruin it with your last line...*sigh*
Blackthorne, sorry i accidentally dug you down, apologies - MrBlackthorne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Haha, that's OK... I'm used to getting dugg down, anyway.. :)
- KJay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A lot of people seem to be disappointed with the iPod Video not being updated with a touch screen, but I am thrilled that it isn't. I'd hate to have to constantly watch videos through finger prints. I'd be constantly accidentally stopping the video while trying to clean the screen.
- JonMcL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How do you know they won't have an iPod video with similar technology out in time for Christmas of 07? Something with 80GB (or more) and the same touch screen technology. Without the phone. Obviously it would have to be thicker to accommodate the HDD, but it could maybe be shorter without all the phone requirements (mic, speaker, etc)
- JonMcL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How do you know they won't have an iPod video with similar technology out in time for Christmas of 07? Something with 80GB (or more) and the same touch screen technology. Without the phone. Obviously it would have to be thicker to accommodate the HDD, but it could maybe be shorter without all the phone requirements (mic, speaker, etc)
- lasombragh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love Apple and this phone looks like it'll be amazing, but there's no way in ice-cold hell I'd be roped into a "multi-year" contract with a ***** wireless company and then still pay upwards of $500 for it. The trade-off just isn't worth it.
- PowerCat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html
- harris2004, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2poor guy..he is suspended because of Digg..
- cloudcity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I made a printable foldable version...
http://digg.com/apple/iPhone_printable_foldable_mockup_to_scale_Hold_it_today - jakem1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Perhaps I should wait until more specs come out but so far this doesn't look that great. Although it's thin, it's taller and wider than most phones, the resolution is better than an iPod (although that wouldn't be hard) but it's still lower than VGA which is available on Windows Mobile phones/PDAs, no hardware buttons at all seems like more of a hassle than anything else, and that screen is going to need a lot of protection to stop it from breaking/scratching. The price is high but presumably you will be able to get cheaper it on a contract. I don't see the point of a full version of Safari without 3G. 8Gb of RAM is pretty good but it would be nice to be able to extend that with memory cards. I don't see the point of it running OSX since little to no existing software will run at that resolution or with the included hardware - it seems like they just couldn't be bothered writing a phone OS.
Basically, this just seems like a Pocket PC with more built in RAM, a different OS and a weird resolution.- Timit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"since little to no existing software will run at that resolution or with the included hardware"
I guess it's because it's just announced today? they did show Safari running on there I suppose. I wonder how much time will it take to port simple OS X apps to the phone, it seems like widgets are compatible already (e.g. the stock market one). - talikan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I don't see the point of a full version of Safari without 3G."
It has WiFi and while EDGE isn't exactly blazing, it is enough for simple web surfing. I'll be visiting digg on mine :-)
- Timit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"since little to no existing software will run at that resolution or with the included hardware"
- broomett, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Wow! Did you see the idiot that thought that the cost of the phone INCLUDED 2 years of service!
Apple fanboys really ARE idiots!- NamelessCoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@broomett: You have valid arguments to offer, but the packaging of your arguments suck. Calling people "a ***** nobody" and constantly referring to other users as apple fanboys and idiots is not going to be the most convincing way of getting your points across, but you know that already. Probably. I just wanted to tell you, just in case you didn't.
- orp2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm so sorry that Apple hooked up with Cingular. Cingular SUCKS! In so many ways. I had an AT&T phone and as soon as Cingular bought them the signal degraded. I thought they were cutting power to their towers in an attempt to save some dollars to service the dept they took on in the acquisition. Turns out they actually sold off some of the AT&T towers to service the dept. Obviously, not because they were redundant either, because my signal wouldn't have gotten worse if that was the case. To make things worse they started their smoke and mirrors "more bars in more places" campaign to lend the psychological effect that they were working hard to give people a stronger signal while they were actually doing the opposite. Sometimes it seems like Karl Rove is running their friggin' company. Treat me like an idiot and I shop elsewhere. Won't be getting an iPhone until it can work with other services.
Verizon has always been good to me.- jsully, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Apple isn't gunning for Cingulars wireless customers, they're going for their business customers. Cingular provides my company with Blackberry dataservices in New York City, and it's nothing short of top notch.
- kwisatzhaderach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2well, knowing Steve's penchant for perfection I'm sure he wouldn't sign on with Cingular unless he got assurances that they (Cingular) would improve their service.. case in point - he dumped IBM..
I'm only hopeful that crappy cingular pulls up its pants.. - fatherspud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1359 After discount.... Interesting, will be nice to see if Cingular will give standard employee discounts.
- whoisgregg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I knocked together scale photos of an iPhone, SLVR and RAZR:
http://www.whoisgregg.com/blog/2007/01/comparison-of-iphone-to-razr-and-slvr.html - DaveClarkOne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Apple's new iPhone? Love it, Love it, Love it.
Cingular service? Hate it, Hate it, Hate it. - uggidi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The iPhone looks good, but $599 and Cingular service suck !!? And what about the accessories, how much might they cost? It's a touch screen.. I obviously have to spend more on protecting it.
- guitarmaniac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I probably won't get one due to the cost, but at the same time I understand. Eventually the price will drop, for now some people who have the money will buy it. I think you have to consider the tremndous amount of top of the line technology that is in that little phone. New technology is always expensive.
As for the cingular thing, they probably should have made it available on all networks, they definetely would make more money on it. more networks=more people= more profit. Although it's a good move for Cingular.... - toastiepostie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1But how long till one of us apple fan boys figures out how it all works and figures out how to make it work for Verizon, or Sprint. Just wait, all great ideas must grow from poop, i.e. the original ipod.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ehm, I can't wait to see you reprogram a GSM PHONE to work on a CDMA network (Verizon, Alltel, US Cell) and whatever Sprint uses
- hiro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Nah, not really the answer, but a bloody good first try
- stevenharrell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2For those of you that say "the iPhone is too expensive for me", that simply means it wasn't made for you. There are lots of people who can afford to pay that and lots of people who will. Stop being jaded and just marvel at the technology from a distance.
- popra, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1iPhone videos (FLASH):
http://vlabs.vidavee.com/free4all/index.php?p=show&id=1704
http://vlabs.vidavee.com/free4all/index.php?p=show&id=1703
http://vlabs.vidavee.com/free4all/index.php?p=show&id=1706
http://vlabs.vidavee.com/free4all/index.php?p=show&id=1705- stuma9000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The above flash movies are great - really show the phone in action.
- benlundquist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The above movies are total rips from the apple web site. Stop spamming.
- galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4About the price:
Ok, I guess I am arrogant, but for a middle class adult person, $600 is not that much. For perspective, I paid $610 for electricity in August (AC in Texas), a roundtrip ticket coast-to-coast is about $400 (after all fees, taxes) coach, rent/mortgage is around $1000 - $2000. All those items are usually recurring expenses. Whats so outrageous with $600 for a really advanced gadget, like the iPhone???
I mean, yes, when I was a teenager, $600 was a lot of money. But now, it isn't a big deal. Heck, I'll pick up my car in an hour from the shop (40k service), which is about $500.....
If the iPhone is as good as it looks from the keynote and Cingular coverage is good in my area, I'll get one for sure. No, I am not rich, but have a typical middle class salary. - Ogre73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What we're seeing here is basically not only the next generation of 'smart phone' targeted at pro-sumers, but the preview for the 6th Gen true Video iPod for next Fall. It'll utilize the same multi-touch control scheme and screen size, as well as the boards the iPhone is based off of, decreasing unit cost for Apple for those components through economies of scale. Hopefully this will mean the first price drop for the iPhone by the start of 2008. Remove the cost of including GSM hardware and instead add larger lithium ion battery for longer playback, while keeping the wifi capability and opt for the traditional 1.8" micro driver over costlier flash. This delivers a ~$349 100GB 6G video iPod to integrate all the functionality for those who don't want the phone convergence or to buy in at that higher price point.
It also serves as a more compelling demonstration of the platform to draw over switchers, by highlighting the cool factors (Expose, Widgets, etc) of OSX. - Maturola, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to agreed to may of the comment in here, it is a bit pricey to have a 2 year contract with a limited carrier. Is not Even a 3G phone, they are working with OLD technology, Soon all Cingular Network will be 3G and this phone will be obsolete. AS i said on another history this is like introducing a MacBook Pro with a Intel Quad-Core CPU with a 5 1/2 floppy Drive and 64KB memory
- Holocaust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Eeeeh....Since when are you forced to sign up to a wireless service to use and wide screen ipod?
- farazyashar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3wtf happened to this: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/the-iphone-lives-but-the-trademark-belongs-to-cisco-222336.php ?
- hotdamn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly... and will it work with the dock like the video iPod?
- nobogeys217, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1the phone looks cool, but $600? That is a lot of money for a phone. Too much for me to spend on a phone. I destroy them too fast.
kind of a letdown. - Oeryk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I realize that it is WAY too early to speculate on anything considering this beautiful device. However, I cannot help but think about the PDA/Smart Phones I own/have owned and think about what the iPhone CANNOT do.
There was absolutely no mention of some of the most basic and necessary functions of the PDA, such as spreadsheets and PIM functions. There IS a contacts list, calculator and calendar (although we did not see the calendar).
Since this is built on the Mac OS, do you think that Apple or third party developers will try to incorporate more of these things? The two things I use on my PDA on a daily basis are the calendar/to do list and spreadsheets.
If it has the ability to ADD programs like current PDAs, then I am 100% sold on it. There is little else I would need in a converged device.
Also, do you think that later this year there will be revamped video iPods with touch screens minus the phone/PDA functions but with larger HDs? I could suffer with my current smart phone if I had a better iPod.- scstraus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm with you.. It looks beautiful, but...
I have 4000 contacts.. I'm afraid of what that would mean for this phone;s contact list.
I sync with Outlook, not a mac. No mention of compatibility, and I've learned to not trust 3rd parties when it comes to this stuff.
I have to use a VPN to get to my work mail servers which run on exchange.. Possibly a show stopper.
How will an onscreen touchscreen keyboard compared to a dedicated hardware one. I doubt well.
One handed use looks limited for writing sms's, etc. Which I do all the time.
I use multiple sim cards. Gotta be unlocked.
I hope they come out with a businessey one with a slide out keyboard a la kevin rose's description. - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I have 4000 contacts.. I'm afraid of what that would mean for this phone;s contact list."
Why? I'm pretty gosh darn sure it's going to have search.
"I sync with Outlook, not a mac. No mention of compatibility, and I've learned to not trust 3rd parties when it comes to this stuff."
This will be interesting. Maybe Apple will do Outlook compatibility? Port iCal to Windows? Not worry about Windows compatibility? Who knows.
"I have to use a VPN to get to my work mail servers which run on exchange.. Possibly a show stopper."
It's OS X. I don't doubt it will be able to easily do VPN, if not with minor 3rd party support. We'll see about exchange support.
"How will an onscreen touchscreen keyboard compared to a dedicated hardware one. I doubt well. One handed use looks limited for writing sms's, etc. Which I do all the time."
We'll see about this, I'm worried about getting prints on the screen." - fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it syncs thru iTunes, so as long as iTunes syncs your contacts/address book (Windows: Outlook (express or Office); Mac: Address Book).
I would hope that the virtual hold switch that they show could be activated at anytime just because it could allow you to clean the screen at any given moment (eg: just before you watch a tv show/podcast).
- scstraus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm with you.. It looks beautiful, but...
- digitallysick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1is it wifi?? i have looked at the apple site, but didn't see all the specs?
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, WiFi and Bluetooth.
- HUKI365, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wifi - yes. But with the same limitations as the Zune. IE, LAME Wifi.
- rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only problem is storage: 4GB is not very much for Mac OS X, music, movies and photos. Maybe they should have included a 30GB drive for the same cost and just made the thing another couple of millimeters thick.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I highly doubt that it is a fully-featured MacOS X OS, probably a very slimmed-down version. OTOH, if they can fit OS X on a phone, what's to stop them from everything else?
- billygoatzz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I work a at Adultcare home, and this Iphone thing was on the news and one elderly lady leaned to me and said
"Can you believe what George bush wants to do? He wants to change apples,
God made apple and theres nothing George Bush can do that god can't"
I ask another resident what he thinks of apple and he said he wanted one with cinimon on it.
So we are split fifty fifty on this issue here. - PabloMac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They are losing thousands (if not millions) of immediate sales by restricting the release to one carrier. I just spent a couple hundred on a new phone, and can't afford another right now, but I guarantee if T-Mobile had them, I would find a way to get the $ together. The thought of scraping the $ together AND downgrading to Cingular shuts it down for me. And I can't be the only one in this boat.
- jamima69z, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you'd might as well use two tin cans and some string rather than cingular in the nyc metro area.
- jamima69z, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you'd might as well use two tin cans and some string rather than cingular in the nyc metro area.
- jamima69z, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1$600 ?!?!?!?
like most apple products,built for the people with too much money to spend. -
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