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owensperformance.com — iPhone users that like the 3rd party applications that are being developed have to communicate their unhappiness with Apple, otherwise they will continue on this course. If users flood them with requests to work with the community, they will have to.

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  • tacojohn, on 10/10/2007, -65/+1Starting to get a little excited about Leopard. There are some new useful features, nothing revolutionary though. Looks like Apple's taken Tiger and added a fine layer of polish to the interface and features.

    Hopefully 10.5.0 will be a very stable release. Good times ahead for Mac users!
    • jurvusbob, on 10/10/2007, -3/+31are you aware that this is a story about the iphone and 3rd party apps?
      • Aupajo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23rd party apps on the iPhone... All the developers want it, and that should be a good thing for Apple - for some companies, trying to raise hype in the dev community can be a huge effort. The only reason why developers are being slammed is the same reason why Safari plugins aren't supported: you can't trust the developer to do things right. And that filters down to consumers, who don't understand this and start to interpret problems with 3rd party apps as problems with a product.

        Apple is playing it safe, to keep their software safely in the elite zone. If only they could just open up, trust us, we could show them what could be done with a developer community behind them...
      • scoot2006, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I agree. Developers can make the iPhone what it should be. I've seen some of the 3rd party apps that are out there already and they're pretty awesome. I feel like they would be much better and more abundant if there was a SDK though.

        We should wait for the impending software update to write our bitchy feedback to Apple. That way if they add ANYTHING (which I doubt) we can be specific. This guy has the right idea about actually writing Apple instead of bitching on a blog though.
    • EBFoxbat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
    • Vazelos, on 10/23/2007, -7/+1I agree with you, Vista is a great OS! I mean the UI is sooo cool, and this Sidebar just rocks! :)
      • scoot2006, on 10/23/2007, -1/+4if (IQ < 72) { toComment = false; }
    • alex7575, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Tacojohn took the RTFA expression to the next level: he doesn't even read the summary, heck he probably just saw "Apple" on the header and starting typing.
    • prisoner24601, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1What does that have to do with Ron Paul!?!?
    • actorboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Hmmm, that statement looks familiar.....yup:

      http://www.digg.com/users/tacojohn/history
  • Sethwm2, on 10/10/2007, -5/+89Every chance I get to post about supporting the 3rd party applications for the iPhone I will. I am sorry for everyone who are sick and tired of the iPhone articles but I am fully behind the push to make the iPhone open
    • EBFoxbat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
      • BryanJK, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Thank you for your feedback regarding the iPhone. We cannot respond to you personally, but please know that your message has been received and will be reviewed by the iPhone Feedback Team. If we need to follow up with you on your ideas for improving the iPhone, we will contact you directly.

        yay. one step forward
      • colto, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Thanks man. I sent them this message: "The iPhone is an amazing product. It provides nearly everything you could want in a phone(hardware wise). However it troubles me that you don't have third party application support for such a great product. Why have you purposefully crippled your product? You know that those who want third party apps will perform various illegal modifications to run them. And now those users are potentially facing bricked hardware in a future firmware update. The early adopters, the Apple enthusiasts, and even the "hip" teenage crowd are asking for this support. What function does it serve to keep the public from using what software they want? You have the means to open up the platform, you have the developers, and you have the opportunity. I know several others many like myself who refuse to purchase the product until it has decent software to take control of the hardware. I even heard a 17 year old girl turn down buying an iPhone from the Apple store yesterday because it had no iChat or AIM that she could use. Her $50 phone could do it, why couldn't the iPhone? And there really is no reason for the iPhone not to have this capability. If Apple doesn't want to develop iChat for the iPhone then that's their choice, but locking out other developers from filling the needs of the community? It's a travesty. Apple used to be a company who represented choice, but now it is succumbing to the wills of corporation. My plea is this: listen to what the people want. Wisdom cries out from the streets, but soon even the most faithful will fall away. Perhaps we will see light at the end of the tunnel with an iPhone revision implementing Intel's Moorestown platform or a similar offering. This would allow for a full OSX experience backed by billions of lines of support in legacy code. But what of the current task at hand? Will Apple continue to shun it's faithful consumers or will it do the right thing and just listen to what the people want. The choice is yours." Hopefully it at least gives some kind of an influence on the issue, even if it is a minor one.
        • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Hopefully it at least gives some kind of an influence on the issue, even if it is a minor one." Why did you end such great feedback with on such weak terms. It pisses you off, so then tell them. If Apple chooses to do no SDK for the iPhone ever, then shame on them.
    • etandrib, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3While this is a good idea - it is going to take some time. I don't expect Apple to have a good solution available until WWDC 08. Having an open development platform wasn't in the roadmap. You can tell by how the iPhone is synced, the permissions on the iPhone, etc. They compromised with the Web development applications. It will take a while to make the iPhone open. If you don't like it then wait until it is open before buying one. I speak the truth whether you like it or not.
      • tpodr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I asked that at least they start the discussion, release some beta SDK with no promises of full functionality or forward compatibility. "Just throw us a bone and show you care"
    • donte, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Here's the thing though. All this posting doesn't mean anything. Do you think apple doesn't already know that the public wants 3rd party apps for the iphone? It's not a matter of enlightening them. Its a matter of company desire. They've obviously chosen to make that a lower priority item and no amount of posting on digg is going to change that. Not saying wanting 3rd party apps isn't an admirable desire, but this "crusade" isn't really going to accomplish anything (aside from possibly water digg down more than it already has).
    • streak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Jobs believes the wildly patent-pending touch interface of the iPhone is so compelling to consumers that the device needn't be opened up. Instead, because the device is closed, Apple can obtain more lucrative contracts with service providers and, in the end, make more money with lower associated support costs.
      screw'm.
    • MacBrowser, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1dug for excelent Yoda syntax!
    • mraustin1337, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3*annoyed that the os list does not include linux or even just "other os" *
    • drakethegreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1There are apple sites to vent your frustration. Just because you are pissed off about the iPhone not doing what you want doesn't mean you should punish digg with articles every night and day. So yes I AM SICK OF THE IPHONE. You knew it wouldn't have 3rd party apps and you bought it anyways go bitch someplace else please...
      • shampoovta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1ARE YOU KIDDING ME? For a second I thought you were serious. Digg was the Apple cheerleader. This is perfectly natural. Yes they should have known but now that they do they are pissed off and they need to vent. Let them.
    • toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why not just get the new Newton next year when the current iPhone will seem blase' ??
  • FatherTom, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Isn't that obvious that if Apple has any plan for opening the iPhone they won't do it before Leopard gets released? Presumably if any development tool that comes with OS X gets updated in the process then it's not worth porting the current version "to the iPhone". They'd better wait for the new OS X and let it all out then.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Exactly what I have been thinking - after Leopard we'll see where third party development goes.

      As for the story, compiled JDK - do not want, at least not when we could simply develop native apps for the phone. I am a huge proponent of Java but there's no Java API's really built around touch interfaces at the moment (at least it's not part of the standard). I wouldn't mind seeing a JVM as well but would not like for that to be the only possible execution environment...
    • CATSCEO, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The iPhone runs on Leopard so they won't open it up till Leopard is completed.
      Come on Oct 31!
      • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's provided Leopard is out by then. Besides Apple could have come out and said as much long ago. But no, let all the 3rd party developers do all the r&d for them.
    • ZackS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If this were true, they would have said something already to deter the awful, awful press they are getting. It's casting mud all over their brand amongst even the faithful.
  • OS2Guy, on 10/10/2007, -19/+4And every chance I get to post about stopping 3rd party applications for the iPhone, I will. I am entirely against the push to make the iPhone open. Apple needs full control and I've invested a lot of money and time into the iPhone and expect it to work for me and not against me. Third party apps will wreck havoc with the iPhone and hackers should be jailed.
    • YourMom1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6How does it work that if I put a third party app on MY iPhone, your iPhone will work against you?
    • noverflow, on 10/10/2007, -0/+43rd party apps are not viruses... You have a choice to install them or not. And try using the apps before you claim such things. I use my mobile to-do-list more than most of the normal apps.

      Hackers should be jailed? For what? Adding feature that need to be there?
    • vladin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Please tell me you're joking.. You are joking right?
    • tubeblender, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0He isn't joking vladin. This is the same douche bag that replied to the original blog post about his investment...

      I hope your phone bricks for no apparent reason at all. Odds are, you will drop your phone, it will crack the screen and you'll have to buy it again. I can only hope.
    • timothydonohue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0seems like someone has a case of the mondays, lol

      seriously though, if this guy is so proud to be a sheep, let him.

      baaaaa
    • Stirk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1He's being sarcastic if you can't tell
      • tubeblender, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Read his history, no he is not being sarcastic.
  • onezero2000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29I agree that of the apps so far, only a few have been very useful, but truthfully, no one is forcing anyone to install the Installer.app. At any time someone can delete it, or restore their phone. If an app is bad, then just take it off. Installer itself is in great shape, so is the NES emulator.

    Summerboard is pretty good as well. Generally most everything by "Nate True" is well written, and integrated into the iPhone UI. What I want is to continue to have the choice. With my OS X system, I can install or not install anything I want, it doesn't affect anyone else's experience. The iPhone is a computer, it should act like one.
  • PurpZeY, on 10/10/2007, -15/+8Let Apple know because they are not already aware. They have no idea that people want 3rd party apps. If they had any idea they would have included them in the first place...Seriously, they must be really stupid. . .
    • neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Right, not like it was one of the issues with the phone from the beginning or anything.
  • Vazelos, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6It is only a matter of time. Don't forget these are still early days for the iPhone and Apple's know-how of the market. We all want 3rd party apps today (for me the first two would be Skype and car navigation software) but I don't think Apple is ready for this move today. 3G, 3rd party apps open by Apple etc will happen in the near future, one step at a time.
    • neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Right, once everyone has bought the first generation. Then they will put out another generation with all of the proper features for a phone of that stature.
  • biskit495, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Please Apple.
  • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -10/+6So, tell me when Apple has ever actually listened to their disgruntled customers in the past??
    Especially when it meant losing control of a particular product!
    • phoomp, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5Very true. Apple is customer centered in that Apple tells its customers what they want, and they eagerly eat it up.
    • zydeco, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because, in the end, customers like to be told what to buy whether they realize it or not. If you give them all the choices, they freeze up.
    • iHippie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I disagree. Apple has phenomenal customer service, especially when it comes to listening to customer feedback. It's business, people.
    • trunkster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Quickly we forget the $100 store credit for early iPhone adopters.
      • Phatt138, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hah. They just gave the money back to themselves.
  • Trax91, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Send! Simple and nice. Only 2 sentence long. Enough to read it at a glance but detailed enough to understand.
  • hobgobbler, on 10/10/2007, -3/+55I'd bet my butthole they promised AT&T they'd do whatever it takes to keep Skype off the iPhone, and that's what's creating this ridiculous situation with no 3rd party applications.
    • rudy23, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2we have a winner
    • GeekSwag, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I, sir, will not take that wager...ever...
    • grapesofbaath, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3You're on, handsome!
    • trunkster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's probably not just AT&T but any cellphone company worldwide. But couldn't they have a developer agreement that there wouldn't be any VoIP application created otherwise it's a breech in contract?
    • timeshifter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Like Skype would run worth a ***** on EDGE. Maybe it'd be OK over Wi-Fi. I seriously doubt there'd be any lost revenue to AT&T with people making Skype calls over Wi-Fi. Hell, I'd be all for it if it'd keep they're crappy network from dropping normal calls so often.
    • CamperBob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0As long as the phone still requires a flat-rate AT&T contract, who cares if it supports Skype over WiFi? AT&T is not going to complain if they get paid the same amount per month for transferring fewer packets.
      • runeasgar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1They are if you UNLOCK the phone and THEN use Skype.. because then they aren't getting their cut from your iPhone.
        • jadedconformist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0And also what about minute overage charges. They wouldn't get that either.
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why would AT&T care, they are still getting their $50 or $60 a month either way.
  • FearTec, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6I left my suggestion, but I bet Apple do NOTHING because they still have 13 years ahead of them selling crap software on cool hardware because it is profitable and we will keep buying their crap.
  • Freigeist, on 10/10/2007, -9/+25Let Apple know by not buying it.
    • trunkster, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Yeah and then they drop the iPhone all together, smooth plan.
  • mechcon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7I rather let Apple know that there's more to the world besides the USA and the UK (yeah im talking about the ***** iphone)

    • r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You did see their release plan didn't you? It includes other countries. This is what is called a phased implementation. Allows for better management of the demand for the hardware etc. so that they can sort out the production and get high quality before being forced to ship a high quantity of product.
  • dillweed33, on 10/10/2007, -13/+19This is pointless. Do you really think Apple is going to change their policy based on a small percentage of users? I bet most people are perfectly happy with their iPhones as is. Yes, that's right, MOST iPhone users are NOT elitist Digg users but are average joes who want the iPhone because it's "cool". Here's a thought people: If you want an 'open' platform then don't buy an iPhone. Buy something else and stop complaining.
    • javaroast, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Here's a thought if other people's ideas upset you so so much stop complaining and read some other article.
      • tracydanger, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Here's a thought: You realize that you could take that same advice about reading his comment? There was nothing wrong with him giving his opinion. If it upset you so much, read another comments section.
        • TheSolomon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Today on Digg: Fun with circular arguments! :-)
          • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2No, it's fun with CIRCULAR arguments.
    • Phatt138, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Exactly, dill. Apple is under no obligation to anyone to 'open' the iPhone platform. People seem to be missing the point that the iPhone is closed for the same reason (well, one of the same reasons) that OS X is locked to Apple hardware: as soon as you open the door to third-party software, you're asking Apple to provide support for countless products that they have no control over.

      "But...but people accept the risk of third-party apps!" No, YOU, an informed computer user, accept the risk of 3rd-party apps. The average home user might not install "iphonesexyscreensaver 3.2" with the understanding that they're doing something that could potentially damage their expensive phone, and if Apple seems to support such additions in any way, they WILL be burdened with the problems of inexperienced users calling in to report that "OpenMeI'mSafe!" started spamming people in their address book or replaced their children's pictures with ads for penis enlargement.

      It won't happen, and for perfectly good reason. You're willing to take the risk of installing unsupported software, you say? Well you can already do that NOW. Just don't expect Apple's blessing.
      • unitedatheism, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1The digg users also bought that because it is cool, or at least looks cool.
        No difference from the standard joe, in fact, 95% of Apple's sales are based on the same concept.

        Oops: reply was supposed to be at dillweed
    • digudown, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3You are a fool sir! At this moment most of th iphones are owned by early adopters. These are technically inclined people amd most of them want 3rd party app's. Plus even the average people understand the need for cool apps once they know the possibility exists. Just look at PSP homebrew scene.
    • picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1At least I sent them an iPhone feedback to do my part. If enough people do that maybe we won't seem so small after all...
  • pengas, on 10/10/2007, -13/+9Let apple know you are a fanboy by digging this useless article...
    • wush, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6a fanboy of what? that word gets thrown around far too often
  • kjmatthews, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20"If users flood them with requests to work with the community, they will have to."
    As long as the community continues buying iPhones, "they" will pretty much be able to do anything they want.
    • zydeco, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, not really seeing the other side of the threat here. I'm sure an online petition or email flood will REALLY make Jobs turn that ship around pronto.
  • diggusrbin, on 10/10/2007, -8/+9If you want 3rd party apps......don't buy an iphone. Logical enough for me.
    • pirania, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0if you don't want us to want 3rd party apps.... don't comment here... Buy all the iphones so there are none available to others. Logical too?
    • nytejade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There are plenty of high quality 3rd party apps on the iPhone right now, and Apple's going to potentially be brought to court if they decide to invalidate warranties for installing third party apps. There's a law on the books that prevents this. Unless there is solid proof that the 3rd party app is the cause of the device failure, they have to stand by the warranty. So, you don't really know what you're talking about.
  • diggless, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4i would rather have a usable internet connection. I have used the phone and like it, but it took me 2 minutes to load gmail. My sprint treo takes about 5 seconds. and the battery lasts several hours. The battery life thing brought up by apple is silly, Just make the battery removable, then i can have 2.
    • neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1But that's because you're on a Treo and on Sprint. EVDO ftw!
  • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I don't get it, without 3rd party apps the thing is useless. What is apple's deal with making sure this phone doesn't work like a pda? Are they going to make a separate product to compete with windows mobile? Apple is a company known for trickling out features and making sure it's customers must buy 300 things to get it all, but crippling a device that clearly can perform the functions of a pda is ridiculous. People can only be tricked for so long.
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Don't count on it. We're talking about apple fans here, they pay money to be tricked and will fight any attempt to NOT be tricked.
    • neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1But dude, PDA functions are so, like, businesslike and boring. That's like for PCs or something. This is Apple man. We're all about fun and music and being elegant and something about design.

      Seriously, Apple makes its money catering to those who want simple and pretty, not those who want to customize and do serious work.
      • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Because youTube videos are elegant?
  • singletrack861, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I feel like, given all the attention that has been given toward this issue, Apple already knows this.
  • Agapytho, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3The iPhone is too long a step for Apple, due to the simple fact that they have powerful competition (Blackberry, HTC, etc), that not only have more experience, but are less restrictive. They work. Cool as the iPhone may be, is carries restrictions that reduce it's appeal. I wanted to buy one. I don't anymore. Bought an iPod. I am very close to returning it, since they are simply making the mistakes Microsoft made with Windows all over again.

    For an intelligent person like Steve Jobs, I am surprised he is ignoring History.
  • Jaxim, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Can anyone tell me if someone has figured out how to get flash player to run on the iPhone? That's one of the features that I am waiting to see on the iPhone before i buy one.
    • nytejade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1There is no flash plugin for the Safari browser at the moment. I have no idea why this is.
    • smhill, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2From what I understand it is in the works. But the problem isn't an issue of porting it to work on the iPhone, it is one of interface.

      The iPhone's touch screen is very different from mouse. There isn't a "click" in the same way that there is wiith a mouse. How do you differentiate touching the screen from a click? Double tap? What about flash apps that have double click? Triple tap? How do tell the difference between a click-drag and just touching the screen and moving the mouse. It can be overcome in the flash player to a degree, but there are so many ways to actually write a flash app, that it is a safe bet that not everything will work as expected. Apps for the iPhone were all built with the touch interface in mind. The hundreds of thousands of flash apps floating around on web were not.

      My guess is that we will see special player for the iPhone with a set of libraries or document of best practices to allow developers to design their interactions to work on that platform.
  • defylogik, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1"For an intelligent person like Steve Jobs, I am surprised he is ignoring History."

    LOL. true. true (have a budweiser)

    but you also maybe dont remember the very poorly made mac clones that tarnished apples reputation...
    • Agapytho, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I said intelligent, not perfect.
      But you have to admit that "borrowing" stuff from Microsoft was intelligent. And gutsy. And speaking of Gutsy...oh, nevermind...
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Poorly made Mac clones??? WTF? Many of the Mac clones were of very good quality, coming out with features and hardware before even Apple. Power Computing and Umax in particular made some very great models. Power's 604 series and Umax's entire line were well built, and a great design.

      I had a Umax C600 (240Mhz 603e that I later upgraded to a 200Mhz G3) that I used for years until OS X made it obsolete. Their J and S series of 604 machines were top notch. Apple couldn't compete at the same price points and did two things to kill the market. They bought Power Computing outright and refused to license OS 8 (which was re-named from 7.7 for the opportunity to demand higher licensing fees) at the same deal given for OS 7 to any of the cloners. Down the tubes they went.

      The StarMax Moto clones were pretty much crap though.
      • javaroast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I gotta agree with MacParrot here some of the Mac clones were very nice and as the saying goes Apple liked Power Computing so much that they bought the company. And Daystar had the very cool Quad processor system.
      • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I had forgotten the DayStar clones. Good pull
  • donlaverty, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9dear steve, dear whoever,

    i live in germany, so all i know about the iphone is from the media - i never saw a real one.
    from what i've seen the iphone is one of the greatest new gadgets around - it's so much more than just a phone with a great music player

    but please:
    - allow _real_ 3rd party apps for the iphone (the widget stuff you recently announced does not count), allow pretty much every thing you can (maybe despite of the simlock, i do understand that the carriers _love_ simlocks)
    - support developers in any possible way (you are good at that - look at all the nice sdks, tutorials, manuals, development tools out there) - there is so much great software for the mac out there that would not have happened otherwise.
    - stop telling you have to be protective to preserve the user experience or to maintain security - it's os x it is running (at least you keep telling that), don't you trust it's security anymore?
    - stop ripping off european customers (EUR399 is $560) - that applies to all apple products!
    - allow easy and affordable battery replacements
    - allow linux synchronization (that applies to the whole ipod line as well)
    - stop messing with ring tones - if i buy a song at the store or import a cd there is no reason not to allow - don't listen to the labels who say otherwise
    - stop scaring us - if you allowed reasonable interaction with the phone nobody would have to end up with an ibrick!

    i will be patient for some time, but if you don't change your policies i promise i will get me a nokia n95-8g or the like despite of it's crappy screen, it's crappy look, it's crappy interface or it's short battery life.
    now stop ***** us, stop taking our freedom away, stop scaring us and go to work (oh and please don't forget 3g and gps while you're at it)
    • neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Heh good luck. Not a chance in hell. People in the US were all asking for the same things and did not get them. If you want those things, you're probably better with another device. The iPhone is cool but it is what it is and it's not those things you mentioned.
  • arma, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I think that first of all I will have to let Apple know that we want their iPhone in Canada
  • bpapa, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3This is stupid and Apple won't listen to it, they do their own thing. 3rd party apps will be on the iPhone whenever Apple feels like putting them on, which they may never do. Buried as lame.
  • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Apple will allow 3rd party apps for the iPhone when it suits them and not before. They have followed this line throughout their history and I doubt they'll change it anytime soon. I didn't buy an iPhone for various reasons (mostly because I didn't need or want one) and lack of apps was one of them.

    I don't care about 2g vs 3g wireless coverage, but not being able to add any functionality beyond stock makes it pointless for me. I'll wait until I have a need for it, or its iPod functionality makes it killer. So far, neither is worth $399 IMO.
  • MattL920, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Listen people, it doesn't matter if apple is going to suddenly say "you know, these guys have a point" by sending a letter. The point is to get as many people as possible to express their unhappiness with apple's policy of locking down their hardware. I sent them a letter and made a point of saying that even though i'm a fan of apple products I'm not buying an iphone because of this. If they get enough messages like that, they'll eventually look towards the bottom line and realize that this aspect of their product is turning off possible customers.

    It takes two minutes to write a letter on that page, if we all did it it might have some small effect.
  • theghoul, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Yeah! Lets get some quality 3rd party apps just like my windo.. uh..wait a sec.
  • glabbage, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think this is a very similar to the battle for the PSP that is taking place right now. Buyers were inside that thing from the day it was released. Even though Sony has taken enormous steps to keep them out, we are still able to run homebrew, emulators, and backup games on the latest firmware. I'd be surprised if Apple changes their stance on this issue, and I'm guessing it has a lot to do with contractual obligations. I think the difference between Apple and Sony is that they are watching closely what developers are doing with their product for future updates, rather than engaging in a war they cannot win.
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sony has more to lose, game sales make the money not the PSP
  • slayerab, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1How about letting apple know by not buying the iphone? I'm sure they'd get the message then
  • sotarts, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Personally I'm all for 3rd party apps on the iPhone, but I can also understand Jobs logic when he says that the average user will not put up with phones braking down because of some app. This logic how ever doesn't seem to be valid when it comes to the iTouch. Why couldn't Apple at LEAST open iTouch and see how that went. Am I missing some point here, cause nobody seems to be talking about this?
    • rudy23, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1skype on itouch = no one needs iphone
      • Bootes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3iTouch has no mic, Skype would be useless.
  • kotatsu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2To be fair Apple never mislead people in the run up to the iPhone launch, they said no third party apps and people bought the phone regardless. You knew what you were buying, so to bitch and moan that it doesn't do something it was never advertised as doing is a bit much.
  • FoxMcCloud1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey all. Please ask for a "open in new window" for Safari on iPhone feature. If you could just hold a link for 2 seconds and then have it open in a new window it would be fantastic.

    Also dont forget to req 3rd party support / SDK.
  • z0mbie2099, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Want an iPhone? Wait for the Neo1973 come out to the public.
    • johnnybluejeans, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I want something twice as ugly and half as slick.
  • camkerr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure Apple knows.
  • rudy23, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If users flood them with requests to work with the community, *** they will have to.***
    Yeah ok
  • mrdibs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1They don't "have to" do anything. No amount of letters is going to change Steve's mind. Pointless...
  • betojf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
    um here is the mentioned feedback form, digging it won't help you.
  • neckaros, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The SDK is a must for the iPhone in europe as edge won't be really unlimited. I don't want to pay a huge bills just to use thos web apps!
  • akatsuki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Hmmm... you could just not buy an iPhone.
  • fuseideas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I finally hacked my iPhone. Now I have GPS, games, a customizable interface and...... wait for it...... and Etch A Sketch!
    Now if someone could get the Flash plugin ported over to iPhone I'd stop complaining about limitations!
  • adwarereport, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I don't know how people can complain about the battery life on the iPhone. I get a solid 5 days of standby time, at least a full day with the iPod running, and a solid 5-8 hours of talk time. The only thing I've found that makes the battery go quick is playing video ... my phone usually can't last more than 2 hours while I'm YouTubing. If you aren't getting comparable battery life, you should exchange it for a new one.
  • sonycam, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Apple needs to understand that people creating third party apps, do so because they're passionate. Any company which ***** on their passionate stand to lose a lot.
    • dluv, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0They lose nothing. Stop being an idiot. You know you'll buy their 16 gb iphone, then you'll buy the 32 gb iphone 9 months later.
  • rafal_m, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1in last 3 years i bought iMac, 3 MacBooks and 5 ipods.
    but i will not buy iPhone till it has 3rd party app
  • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3"Let Apple know that you want 3rd party apps!"

    Apple Knows.

    Apple doesn't care.

    You might as well ask Microsoft to open their APIs.

    Oh No! Here come the digg-downs from the Brainwashed Apple Fanboy Squadron for daring to use the truth to say something negative about Apple!
  • SirBotchness, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1LOL like this sort of bitching hasn't been going on since Janurary Ever since they found out there were no 3rd party apps. And NOW you suggest letting apple know. Hey, why not tell apple to make OS X for other computers than their own.
  • onezero2000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This is true, however a lot of people will post comments everywhere, and won't send it to apple's feedback form or directly to King Jobs himself. If they get an idea that everyone wants them to work with App Tapp via direct feedback and measurable numbers, not a bunch of comments on a thread somewhere, it might just change their minds.
  • jesuswuzanalien, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yeah of enough of these asses and elephants! WE NEED A NEW GOD DAMN PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh wait this is an apple fanboy article? digg me down...
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