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- mastersquirrel3, on 11/05/2007, -16/+65Why is there still a 2 iphone limit?
- wonderchemist, on 11/06/2007, -6/+104Actually it's a per hands limit, rumor has it Apple will gladly sell you 4 phones if you have 4 hands and 2 heads.
- RevToTheRedline, on 11/05/2007, -29/+3Why does someone need TWO phones, unless you are an arms or drug dealer, I don't see the average joe needing TWO phones.
- superdoofus, on 11/05/2007, -2/+44christmas presents, birthday presents, for family, for employee appreciation...
the same damn reasons you would buy anyone a gift, for starters. - Lyph5, on 11/04/2007, -31/+1Superdoofus, how would you like it if I gave you a monthly responsibility that could ruin your credit if you ***** it up? Plus, it costs a couple grand to have the iPhone for the entire 2 year contract. It's the same thing with books and a pet. "Here, here's something you're now responsible for."
- ShrimpCrackers, on 11/04/2007, -0/+13With books? What? You know you could just resell the iPhone or hand it back to Apple unopened (with the gift receipt) and exchange it for an iPod Touch.
- Lyph5, on 11/05/2007, -7/+4When you give someone a book you're saying "Hey, spend a lot of time reading this thing I like. You'll probably hate it."
- superdoofus, on 11/04/2007, -1/+11actually, lyph5, my boss gave six of us at work iphones soon after they came out for hitting a huge goal. none of us have bitched about it and we all love our iphones.
and seriously what?! ruin my credit? anyone with a cellphone plan can manage that regardless of whether or not it's with iphone. and my two year contract isn't going to cost me even a "couple grand" with my current plan and taxes, so get lost.
- elcaminos, on 11/05/2007, -3/+19I bought a second Iphone for my wife. Of course YOU would never need more than one.
- superdoofus, on 11/05/2007, -2/+44christmas presents, birthday presents, for family, for employee appreciation...
- manitoba98xp, on 11/05/2007, -1/+39Wow, how prejudiced against amputees! I see a class-action lawsuit coming...
< /sarcasm >
- RevToTheRedline, on 11/05/2007, -29/+3Why does someone need TWO phones, unless you are an arms or drug dealer, I don't see the average joe needing TWO phones.
- badjoke, on 11/04/2007, -3/+39I believe it's to prevent reselling.
- hottyson, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Yeah. Piss off loyal customers by complicating the purchase further. Meanwhile the resellers are going to find workarounds to purchase iPhones anyways. What a no-so-Apple move this is!
- leejae, on 11/05/2007, -2/+81So that I don't buy 100 iPhones, hack them all and then sell them to European customers and make a nice profit.
- potp, on 11/04/2007, -2/+19Buy the unlocked French version and sell in Europe. no need to get the locked down US crap.
- r3zonance, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1The unlocked French version only has to be unlocked for French carriers, which incidentally have different carrier IDs to their foreign equivalents. (i.e. "Orange France" ID is not the same as "Orange UK"). I see these phones still being locked to the country, except where are roaming agreement is in place (but that would require a French carrier in the first place).
Basically, it isn't going to be as unlocked as people want, just as unlocked as the French require.
- r3zonance, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1The unlocked French version only has to be unlocked for French carriers, which incidentally have different carrier IDs to their foreign equivalents. (i.e. "Orange France" ID is not the same as "Orange UK"). I see these phones still being locked to the country, except where are roaming agreement is in place (but that would require a French carrier in the first place).
- iNunchuk, on 11/05/2007, -5/+3Right, with the American dollar as it is, how do you expect to make the profit?
- bipher, on 11/05/2007, -1/+7With the American dollar where it is, you are better off buying an iPhone in the US and paying up the contract in full. That's still going to be cheaper than buying the unlocked French version, given (1) the premiums that Apple slap on all their products in Europe; (2) the additional premium you will have to pay in France for the unlocked version (the French law only states that unlocked phones must be made available within 6 months of the original product launch, it does not say you can't charge more for them); and (3) the US dollar is down the ***** compared to pretty much every other currency going.
- GawtMilk, on 11/05/2007, -2/+2"The US dollar is down the ***** compared to pretty much every other currency going"?
What, the Euro and the Pound?- BrainInAJar, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6and the CDN $. and the Peso. and the Yen. and the Yuan, and the Rupee.... etc...
- r3zonance, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1I'm sure the 1 dollar is still worth more than 1 unit of lots of other currencies, but I also imagine it has lost quite a bit of it previous value. (e.g. $1 may be 30,000 Yen, but a few months ago it was 45,000 Yen) either way the dollar has been weakened, those figures are just made up for my example, BTW.
- potp, on 11/04/2007, -2/+19Buy the unlocked French version and sell in Europe. no need to get the locked down US crap.
- sjl127, on 11/04/2007, -20/+7He handled that transaction like a puss. I would have asked what the hell kind of dumbass policy is that? Take your phone, and shove it up your ass - in fact, let me do it for you.
- perfectbynature, on 11/04/2007, -3/+15No, that's called being inquisitive and courteous. Rather than making a fuss and acting like a jackass to "show them up" or get your way, you actually talk to somebody with...respect. Weird concept, I know.
- sjl127, on 11/04/2007, -6/+4What part of, "What the hell kind of dumbass policy is that?" If you can't answer that simple, direct question, you're a dumbass, too.
- MtheoryX, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1It's called carrying on a mature conversation. I know, it seems so weird to someone who spends most of his/her day on sites like digg.
Nevertheless, I assure you, this is how most information gets exchanged in the real world. You ask polite questions in search of information. Since you were respectful and polite, you are rewarded with the information you were seeking.
- MtheoryX, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1It's called carrying on a mature conversation. I know, it seems so weird to someone who spends most of his/her day on sites like digg.
- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -3/+5Fine. sjl127, what the hell kind of dumbass comment is that?
- sjl127, on 11/04/2007, -6/+4What part of, "What the hell kind of dumbass policy is that?" If you can't answer that simple, direct question, you're a dumbass, too.
- MonkeyFarts, on 11/04/2007, -1/+7Yeah, because acting like an irate jackass is going to get you really far. Notice how by being courteous and polite, and by maintaining a calm demeanor, the manager was actually going to help him to buy the iPhone with cash? Now I don't know about you, but if I were in the manager's position and I had a customer yelling at me about a policy that I have no control over and know nothing about other than "because the company says so," I'm not going to cooperate with him. I'm just going to tell him that that is the policy, and that I can do nothing about it, until the guy finally leaves.
- sjl127, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1He had to beg to give that guy money. Who begs someone to take their money?
- MonkeyFarts, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2Somebody that only has one payment method and wants to buy a product from a merchant that doesn't want to accept that payment method. What else was he supposed to do? Rob the store? Yell, "You'll take cash if I have to shove it down your throat!" That option doesn't really work when it's against company policy...
- sjl127, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1only an ***** doesn't take cash
- sjl127, on 11/04/2007, -2/+1He had to beg to give that guy money. Who begs someone to take their money?
- Philbert, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3Being an ass will never get you anywhere in life, even if you're upset keeping your cool and being nice will always get you much further.
- MtheoryX, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Who would digg Philbert's comment down? This is just common sense.
Unlike conversation and comments on sites like this, what Philbert has outlined is how mature, rational people communicate in the real world when they want something.
- MtheoryX, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Who would digg Philbert's comment down? This is just common sense.
- perfectbynature, on 11/04/2007, -3/+15No, that's called being inquisitive and courteous. Rather than making a fuss and acting like a jackass to "show them up" or get your way, you actually talk to somebody with...respect. Weird concept, I know.
- djphatjive, on 11/04/2007, -5/+11Duh, they do it so people won't buy them and unlock them! Man this is old news, move on!
- R0CKY, on 11/04/2007, -2/+10So somebody asks a question that is answered in the freaking story, and they get a thumbs up?! What's wrong with you people?!!!
- SPECOPS, on 11/04/2007, -1/+9welcome to digg, where common sense doesn't make any sense at all.
- crazymunch, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5The fact that this is Digg, try reddit if you want more sensible up/down modding on comments
- AvidPreatorian, on 11/04/2007, -9/+4i paid cash for my iPhone. unless it's a new policy, this is innacurate
- Bamborzled, on 11/04/2007, -0/+18It's a new policy.
- NYankee2003, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Yea, It'd be great if we could digg another 2 or 3 dozen iphone limit stories per day.
- richardhenry, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3I loved the way they did a big undercover scene, learnt nothing and then stated the obvious. Thank you, ZDNet!
- aduzik, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Playing... whatever the opposite of devil's advocate is... could it be simply that Apple is enforcing a 2 per customer limit because they're expecting a rush for the holidays and the credit card requirement is a way of enforcing that? I read somewhere -- probably here -- that the touch screens are harder to come by right now so their manufacturing capacity may be diminished.
- wonderchemist, on 11/06/2007, -6/+104Actually it's a per hands limit, rumor has it Apple will gladly sell you 4 phones if you have 4 hands and 2 heads.
- WiseWeasel, on 11/05/2007, -57/+29Lamest video EVAR! He didn't even get an answer to the question! So the reason they won't accept cash is "just a company policy"... Thanks for that awesome detective work, ZDNet! Spare yourselves the two minutes watching this useless video...
- RubberBinder, on 11/04/2007, -3/+44If you watched the whole "5+ minutes" you would see that he did find the reason.
- RevToTheRedline, on 11/04/2007, -9/+1Yep, exactly.
- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Well, if you're not going to watch the whole article or RFTA, then go elsewhere. The whole comment system concept is built around the idea that commenters know what they're talking about. Indeed, the whole digg/bury system is built around that. So either RTFA or GTFO.
- WiseWeasel, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6Uh, no, at the end, he finally graces us with a rationalization for their behavior, but the whole freaking "undercover" video was totally worthless. He could have just come out and said the bit at the end, and saved me the 5 minutes of stroller-cam boredom...
- RevToTheRedline, on 11/04/2007, -9/+1Yep, exactly.
- perfectbynature, on 11/04/2007, -1/+11If you didn't have the attention span of a goldfish you would have heard why.
- RubberBinder, on 11/04/2007, -3/+44If you watched the whole "5+ minutes" you would see that he did find the reason.
- Ireland, on 11/05/2007, -15/+52Look guys, the limit and this whole credit card thing is to stop people reselling the iPhone, it's that simple. It's like what they are trying to do with concert tickets, some people will find a way, but it will stop the majority of the reselling. The main point I take away from this video is that if you really want to get one with cash they will give you one, eventually.
- cassarani, on 11/05/2007, -7/+14Yeah, I think it's quite reasonable, and frankly I see no other way of applying this 2-iphone limit. The staff at the Apple Store seemed genuinely sorry for the hassle, so nothing extraordinary IMHO. It's not like the guy was verbally assaulted by an angry manager because he didn't want to use his credit card, he could have spared the effort of taping it really.
- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2Privacy? I mean really, comeon.... I would never purchase it by card only for the fact that they store a connection with my credit card data in their system, or at least have that much access to it at any point. That is a huge identity theft situation waiting to happen. They could easily use the sim card information or other unique data that has no connection with your actual accreditation.
Not only that but the idea that the only way that you can use their physical iPhone product is by either going to an AT&T store(funneling business only to AT&T) or by dling iTunes(bundling their product with their software ONLY). I believe Microsoft had this same issue a few years back involving a couple of their software apps.
And it still costs too much. ha- cassarani, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Given that you need an AT&T contract in order to use your iPhone, you can't protect your privacy there. Your personal data is going to turn up in their database whether you like it or not.
- r3zonance, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1"I would never purchase it by card only for the fact that they store a connection with my credit card data in their system, or at least have that much access to it at any point"
Most personal information laws (i.e. Data Protection Act in the UK) strictly forbid this, as the information can only be retained where "REQUIRED", (i.e. no CC info held for anything other than purposes of charging the card for the purchase of the phone).
- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2Privacy? I mean really, comeon.... I would never purchase it by card only for the fact that they store a connection with my credit card data in their system, or at least have that much access to it at any point. That is a huge identity theft situation waiting to happen. They could easily use the sim card information or other unique data that has no connection with your actual accreditation.
- banmaster, on 11/05/2007, -12/+6Thats a load of rubbish! The iPhone is easily available pretty much at ant AT&T/Apple store. There is no shortage of demand, therefore anyone trying to on-sell them iks not going to be able to make any real money out of them (unlike ticket scalpers).
Apple are just being their usual bunch of douche bags and this time they're not only telling people what to do (like with their software) they arte forcing people to do what apple wants them to do, even though its potentially robbing them of profits!- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2Totally an Anti-trust issue if you ask me. This bundling of iTunes software or using only one phone provider (AT&T) is way anti-trust or monopoly at least.
- sardiax, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I really can't tell if you're being serious or not.
- mosmiley, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Hmm, I see how this works. The first reply is for sardiax's comment and the this reply is for my first comment.
- mosmiley, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1ahahaahhaa, lol, man that reminded of Jim and Andy in the Office, when they're discussing how to celebrate dwight's sales). I know its in season 4. Good stuff.
- sardiax, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I really can't tell if you're being serious or not.
- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2Totally an Anti-trust issue if you ask me. This bundling of iTunes software or using only one phone provider (AT&T) is way anti-trust or monopoly at least.
- Lindane, on 11/04/2007, -11/+5"Look guys..." omg what a pussy.
- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -1/+9"omg what a pussy."
Uh oh, it's another MySpacer. I'll get the whip...
- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -1/+9"omg what a pussy."
- potp, on 11/05/2007, -5/+25But stepping over privacy policy the credit cards of the consumer is a pretty bad ***** move. Keeping corporate interest over customer interest is a petty ***** thing to do. By law they cant store any credit card details of the customer. They are not only doing something morally wrong but are even breaking many laws in the process. i hope Visa and Mastercard kick apple in the nut sack for being such a douche bag.
- StephenCIreland, on 11/04/2007, -1/+12prepaid credit card perhaps ?
- DeathByStereo, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2Now that is a brilliant idea. Good thinking. I know that Discover will issue you a temporary card number, but I think your prepaid idea trumps that since once you used it, you could toss it in the trash (or shred it actually).
- spiffytech, on 11/04/2007, -1/+11Isn't there some kind of law saying it's legal to resell things?
- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Null comment. Misread above comment.
- bieber, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Umm, no, why would there need to be? Once you own something, it's perfectly legal to do what you want with it and then resell it, provided that it was legal in the first place and you haven't made illegal modifications.
- bieber, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Umm, no, why would there need to be? Once you own something, it's perfectly legal to do what you want with it and then resell it, provided that it was legal in the first place and you haven't made illegal modifications.
- phoomp, on 11/05/2007, -4/+11What, exactly, is wrong with people reselling iPhones? Besides the fact that Steve has decreed it as wrong ...
- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -8/+3As long as it is equal or less than the store's value (which would only make sense and be what someone gets out of an iPhone) than it is totally legal.
- Buelldozer, on 11/04/2007, -0/+8The selling price has NO basis on whether a transaction between two parties is legal or not. If you purchase an Iphone from me for 3,000 US dollars it's still legal.
- daldredge, on 11/04/2007, -0/+7Why would it be illegal to sell it for more than the store does?
- piwy, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Probably nothing by law. But since those resold phones are probably unlocked, Apple probably is trying to keep their and AT&T's pocket contractually filled untill the exclusivity period ends.
- dn11, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4Apple doesn't want people reselling unlocked iPhones. Apple doesn't want people using unlocked iPhones because they make money every month for each AT&T subscriber.
- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -8/+3As long as it is equal or less than the store's value (which would only make sense and be what someone gets out of an iPhone) than it is totally legal.
- dn11, on 11/05/2007, -5/+7Look guys, Apple just wants to be greedy assholes, stop whining
- jjmckay, on 11/05/2007, -5/+3Sounds like Apple wants to monopolize on the iPhone market. To me this seems like a morally questionable practice. Its none of their business what I do with their product. I'm with the Angry Nintendo Nerd - ***** on it.
- rabidg00se, on 11/05/2007, -4/+2Apple wants to monopolize on the iPhone market
Apple monopolize iPhone
Apple iPhone
OH *****- chaosium, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED
- rabidg00se, on 11/05/2007, -4/+2Apple wants to monopolize on the iPhone market
- BGog, on 11/05/2007, -1/+5It is foolish to find this practice acceptable. Once I purchase a physical product it is mine and I can do with it as I please. If I resell it for 10x what it cost that is not the sellers buisiness (tickets are different because there is a physical limit on the number available, apple could build 2billion iphones). If they produced enough of them / actually payed attention to customers wants and didn't require a specific carrier. Then there would be no grey market. I am an Apple fanboy but they were assholes for tying the phone to one carrier. It should be available at many or all carriers and then there wouldn't be a problem.
The practice of locking phones to carriers is also unethical if you ask me. That is like saying "Than you for buying a Ford. You can ONLY buy gas from Shell." It's bull *****.
- cassarani, on 11/05/2007, -7/+14Yeah, I think it's quite reasonable, and frankly I see no other way of applying this 2-iphone limit. The staff at the Apple Store seemed genuinely sorry for the hassle, so nothing extraordinary IMHO. It's not like the guy was verbally assaulted by an angry manager because he didn't want to use his credit card, he could have spared the effort of taping it really.
- whymanwhy, on 11/04/2007, -5/+35You can taste the tension in that video.
- rpj2k002, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Has anyone tried giftcards or those prepaid creditcards?
- otatop, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3They don't take gift cards, either. Prepaid credit cards would probably work.
- ahoyhoy, on 11/04/2007, -7/+1Tastes like Grade-A(pple) *****
- Macskeeball, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2What video? The title and the comments here reference a video, but I don't see one anywhere on that page.
- roberto_deneero, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Yea, what video? Editor pulled the plug. Apple's lawyers must have sent a takedown request....or even a free iPhone if he pulled the video.
- rpj2k002, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Has anyone tried giftcards or those prepaid creditcards?
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 11/04/2007, -25/+6Why would anyone resell an iphone? Its not like there is a shortage.
- nizzy1115, on 11/04/2007, -0/+31To sell them unlocked
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -6/+0Unlocked and unupdatable??
Yeah, right.- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Yeah, as a matter of fact, right. There is a healthy market for unlocked iPhones in countries abroad.
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -6/+0Unlocked and unupdatable??
- mb3581, on 11/04/2007, -7/+2because it takes a whole 2 secs to unlock one?
- darlyn, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2Yeah, like most people even know that ...
- potp, on 11/04/2007, -0/+13you have no idea how scared people are of "Hacking" stuff. I made a killing downgrading PSP because people were too stupid or too scared of bricks.
- darlyn, on 11/04/2007, -3/+9Dear god ... for that, I shall revoke your Digg rights.
- nizzy1115, on 11/04/2007, -0/+31To sell them unlocked
- chris9902, on 11/07/2007, -57/+136What a load of *****. How elitist does your company have to be that you won't sell your product to people? Apple know they can treat their customers like ***** and take full advantage of that and they just keep coming back. pathetic.
- koven, on 11/05/2007, -7/+29Maybe AT&T are forcing their hand. If they're aware there are 250,000 iPhones without an AT&T call plan they've committed a lot of of money to Apple and aren't getting much back. I doubt Apple are innocent though since they get money from the plans as well.
- chris9902, on 11/05/2007, -8/+16It's Apple. They are a big corporation in fancy packaging. People just eat that up.
- deuceswilde, on 11/05/2007, -12/+2It's a good thing you can confidently say that, because a random digg user I'm sure has access to all that information.
- potp, on 11/05/2007, -2/+16Apple. Now Delivering Corporate Whoring in a Pretty white Box.
- johnpaul191, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1250,000 "lost iphones". nobody knows if they are hacked, used without contract or what. Apple is still on track to sell at least 10,000,000 iphones in the next year. i think AT&T will be ok.
- chris9902, on 11/05/2007, -8/+16It's Apple. They are a big corporation in fancy packaging. People just eat that up.
- TheNik, on 11/04/2007, -13/+5I am a Mac user and haven't had any problems with them. The biggest fault they've had was their slow Up-To-Date shipping (a week!?).
- chris9902, on 11/04/2007, -9/+5What does that have to do with anything? It's people like you I'm referring to in my post. Bahhhhh
- Audacitor, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Were you not listening? He came back because they didn't do anything bad (as in, didn't screw him over). All Apple wants to do is honor the contract they made with AT&T, and keeping track of who has how many iPhones is the best way to do that. You don't even have to pay the whole thing with a credit card, you can just pay a dollar with a card and the rest in cash.
- chris9902, on 11/04/2007, -9/+5What does that have to do with anything? It's people like you I'm referring to in my post. Bahhhhh
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -11/+4"What a load of *****. How elitist does your company have to be that you won't sell your product to people? Apple know they can treat their customers like ***** and take full advantage of that and they just keep coming back. pathetic."
You're a terrible consumer that wouldn't buy one, let alone four. I'm sure they're glad to not have your business.- Galactabung, on 11/04/2007, -6/+5Hey chaosium, keep consuming slave.
- perfectbynature, on 11/04/2007, -5/+1Wow, that was witty. Because he's a consumer to a different company than you or somebody else is, he's a slave. Glad to have tangible logic and reason here!
- Galactabung, on 11/04/2007, -6/+5Hey chaosium, keep consuming slave.
- deuceswilde, on 11/05/2007, -14/+8It's sensationalist to say that Apple treats their customers like *****. Aside from some annoying policies Apple treats their customers extremely well, so you need to look at the big picture.
- banmaster, on 11/05/2007, -3/+7Its NOT sensationalism! Its the utter truth! The whole company and all of their products are a perfect example of the "Our way or the highway" attitude that they are finally being caught out on!
But keep on consuming their glossy while/black garbage, and steve jobs will personally set aside a place for you in heaven!- Audacitor, on 11/05/2007, -4/+2You, obviously, don't purchase Apple products, so you shouldn't be telling other people about they're our-way-or-the-highway attitude, since you don't have an in-depth feel for doing business with them.
- supermanred, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Youve never been in an Apple store, have you. They treat you like a king, ESPECIALLY if you have a problem with one of their products. Theyve been real nice to me with my ipods, and now my macbook, having replaced my battery and soon to be replacing the entire outer shell for me.
They treat you like gold, so you obviously have never shopped at Apple. To say they have a "our way or the highway" attitude is total *****. They helped me install Ubuntu and XP on my system, which was OBVIOUSLY running a leopard pre-release (the dock kind of gave it away)... is that their way or the highway?
Gimme a break, Apple hating is so obsolete, get over it. Its a good computer that now runs any OS you choose.
- chris8535, on 11/05/2007, -3/+5Actually over all I have gotten the worst treatment from Apple employees than almost any other company.
- Audacitor, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2Well, can we hear about that in a bit more detail? I'm not calling pics-or-it-didn't-happen, but it's kinda hard to believe that when you don't even present a story.
- mancat, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1What "big picture?" As the customer, I don't care about the "big picture." Sell me the ***** product, or don't. Don't attach all these little ***** rules and red tape to the purchase.
This attitude towards customers really has to change.- supermanred, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2A credit card has been necessary to sign up for celphones for years now unless you get a 50 dollar pre-paid phone. I dont see the big deal here.
Although it should be usabale on any network. Here in Canada, all you have to do is pop your sim card into a new phone and it works.
- supermanred, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2A credit card has been necessary to sign up for celphones for years now unless you get a 50 dollar pre-paid phone. I dont see the big deal here.
- banmaster, on 11/05/2007, -3/+7Its NOT sensationalism! Its the utter truth! The whole company and all of their products are a perfect example of the "Our way or the highway" attitude that they are finally being caught out on!
- Kazbaeden, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4Hey, it worked for Cartmanland.
- betasp, on 11/05/2007, -4/+9Have you ever thought that they seem elitist because you feel inferior?
- deadbaby, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3No one cares. The average buyer purchase one iPhone, on a credit card, regardless of any Apple Store policy. That's why they "get away" with it. If you're buying an iPhone you're going to end up registering with Apple/AT&T/etc anyway.
- darkciti2, on 11/05/2007, -2/+3They must be doing something right, because their business model is working. People don't buy ***** products.
If that is elitist, you must be a Microsoft shill. - nastajus, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Selling is not just a one way direction. This is trade, a product for money, that is agreeable to both parties. They don't have to accept cash if they don't want to... Wait. I just remembered something about money having printed on it "must be accepted as legal tender" or something to that effect, and the laws we survive on depend on this being enforced.
- supermanred, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Dell doesn't take cash either at their online store. :)
- koven, on 11/05/2007, -7/+29Maybe AT&T are forcing their hand. If they're aware there are 250,000 iPhones without an AT&T call plan they've committed a lot of of money to Apple and aren't getting much back. I doubt Apple are innocent though since they get money from the plans as well.
- airiox, on 11/06/2007, -7/+123Basically if you don't watch 'til the end, Apple uses the Credit Card info to look up your name and make sure you haven't purchased more than 2 iPhones.
- adambadam, on 11/04/2007, -11/+4What if you have name like John Smith? A credit card doesn't carry more information than your name, couldn't one John Smith with four credit cards get at least 8 different iPhones
- TridenTBoy, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6Probably.
- jmeskimen, on 11/05/2007, -1/+25If you think that only your name is associated with a credit card, you may want to cut yours up.
- jmeskimen, on 11/05/2007, -15/+3If you think that only your name is associated with a credit card, you may want to cut yours up.
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -4/+1I, like most others I would assume, have more than 1 card.
- cherish592, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3I'd like to see what happens when you purchase 2 phones with one card, and then another with a different card. Sure, this still limits you to a couple dozen if you have a lot of cards. Also, what about gift cards? those don't carry much info.
- pyrates, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2You can't buy an iPhone with gift cards either. Has to be with a credit card.
- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2@ pyrates what about pre-paid credit cards(basically a credit card in gift card form)?
- Clevelandsteemr, on 11/05/2007, -5/+4I didnt even watch the video and I know that owning even one iphone obliterates any trace of manhood and drops the iq by 30.
- Katana314, on 11/06/2007, -5/+3Holy *****. So this means that even if I want it to be a one-time purchase, and that I never want to be associated with their store again, they will still store my credit card number? Privacy Policy anyone? ***** ILLEGAL, anyone?
- adambadam, on 11/04/2007, -11/+4What if you have name like John Smith? A credit card doesn't carry more information than your name, couldn't one John Smith with four credit cards get at least 8 different iPhones
- Kidman13, on 11/05/2007, -7/+69Pretty good video, however I still have one question. When you have purchased 2 iPhones, the maximum, when can you purchase another one? 1 month, 1 year, 2000 years?
And I mean who doesn't have more than one credit card?
You know your company has it made it BIG when you can tell a customer that brings his money to you, that you don't want it.- ncaauwe, on 11/11/2007, -1/+12Yeah that is interesting. I thought it was a 2 iPhones per person per visit, not overall. So yeah, when CAN you buy another one? 2nd Generation? What if you're a rich guy who wants to buy a bunch as gifts? Or hell, what if you're getting them for the five people in your family but charging it to mom & dad's credit card? What, only two people in the household can have an iPhone?!
- nastajus, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Gold used to be a limiting factor in trade. Then we switched entirely to paper money. Now it seems ipods are that, a rare commodity highly sought.
- chaosium, on 11/05/2007, -8/+4All corporations have the right to refuse service to abusive customers (speculating resellers, etc.)
I'm fairly certain that if you buy two and need another four months down the line that you could speak to a manager and resolve the issue.- phoomp, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3How do you know if someone is a "speculating reseller"? Simply by the number products they purchase? What if you are buying a bunch of iPhones for your employees? A company I was working for gave all 300 employees iPods last year as Christmas gifts.
And, what, exactly is abusive about resellers, anyways? - 360modena, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1"What if you are buying a bunch of iPhones for your employees? "
Then deal directly with the business office, who would have no problems selling you 300 iPhones.
- phoomp, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3How do you know if someone is a "speculating reseller"? Simply by the number products they purchase? What if you are buying a bunch of iPhones for your employees? A company I was working for gave all 300 employees iPods last year as Christmas gifts.
- Niightwitch, on 11/04/2007, -1/+22000 years.
- aliceinreality, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2you CAN buy more than two. you just have to go through the small business guy instead of a regular specialist.
it might help to ask the store these types of questions.
- ncaauwe, on 11/11/2007, -1/+12Yeah that is interesting. I thought it was a 2 iPhones per person per visit, not overall. So yeah, when CAN you buy another one? 2nd Generation? What if you're a rich guy who wants to buy a bunch as gifts? Or hell, what if you're getting them for the five people in your family but charging it to mom & dad's credit card? What, only two people in the household can have an iPhone?!
- reeder, on 11/04/2007, -35/+28Apple is just like every other corporation: greedy and self-serving. The only difference is that they have a slick, round-edged rectangular marketing package designed for people who think they know javascript and use twitter. That package doesn't prevent them from using slave labor, inside compounds, where a massive number of abuses take place everyday.
- bshellenberg, on 11/04/2007, -4/+1If this was about being greedy and self serving, wouldn't it make sense to not limit you to 2 phones, and instead try and sell you 20?
- greevar, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1Besides, if they let you buy 20, you could unlock them and sell them for a profit in a market that can't get them yet. That means competition for Apple to sell their own product.
- bshellenberg, on 11/04/2007, -4/+1If this was about being greedy and self serving, wouldn't it make sense to not limit you to 2 phones, and instead try and sell you 20?
- MasterKale, on 11/04/2007, -48/+7I am gay
- potp, on 11/04/2007, -5/+7You must own and apple product for each and every hole in your body.
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3Well done, me too, but is this really the most appropriate place to announce it?
- dteresh, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3Yeah, seriously. This being Digg, it's just assumed.
- neiltc13, on 11/04/2007, -30/+1Alert: I am not a lipreader so you better provide some audio. Capturing the conversation on video isn't good enough.
- joshrice, on 11/04/2007, -16/+1They only take CC's so they track who bought the iphone when it shows up unlocked on someone else's network.
- chris9902, on 11/04/2007, -2/+8And people complain about WGA.
- adambadam, on 11/03/2007, -0/+4They have no way of monitoring activity on someone elses network
- joshrice, on 11/20/2007, -0/+0If you didn't have a data plan, you're absolutely right. Not saying it phones home or anything, i'm just saying it *could*
- dagamer34, on 11/03/2007, -1/+2Isn't that pretty illegal? Data-mining? Sounds like using your CC info for stuff post-sale.
- TridenTBoy, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1That's not true not all.
- Tserk, on 11/05/2007, -5/+55Good lord, I wish I was in a position where I could refuse liquid payments and refuse to sell 'too many' of my item.
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5They make more money in the long term than with unlocked phones.
- darkciti2, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3It's a strategic move, not a tactical one. Apple is doing both it's customers and it's shareholders a great move by doing this, IMHO.
- bieber, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4wtf? Strategic and tactical mean almost exactly the same thing. And how in the ***** is Apple helping their customers by refusing cash payment?
- devin_mm, on 11/11/2007, -5/+11I am thinking of going down to the states this coming week, I wonder if I could use a Canadian credit card to buy an iPhone?
- TheNik, on 11/04/2007, -2/+7And it will be cheap for you, too!
*****, I'm from the US. :( - phoomp, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Probably. Canadian credit card information is as easy to track as American credit card information. In fact, in many cases, they probably wouldn't even know if your credit card was Canadian.
- sofa0ne, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Just make sure your Credit Card company doesn't charge a fee for foreign transactions. I say that because some will hit you with a pretty high fee.
- TheNik, on 11/04/2007, -2/+7And it will be cheap for you, too!
- ruddy, on 11/03/2007, -10/+4
- crimson117, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1I agree with your theory though I think $1200 is a bit high. At that rate, Apple takes a $800 loss on each phone, and would need 44 months of service ($18/month goes to apple) just to break even. With customers required only to sign a 2-year contract, that mean Apple would bank on these bleeding edge customers to keep the same iPhone for 2 more years? That doesn't sound like Apple at all :)
I'm sure they take some hit on the hardware, but not $800 worth.
- crimson117, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1I agree with your theory though I think $1200 is a bit high. At that rate, Apple takes a $800 loss on each phone, and would need 44 months of service ($18/month goes to apple) just to break even. With customers required only to sign a 2-year contract, that mean Apple would bank on these bleeding edge customers to keep the same iPhone for 2 more years? That doesn't sound like Apple at all :)
- RevToTheRedline, on 11/04/2007, -12/+2Good video.
- pbdyhcky189, on 11/04/2007, -18/+2That mall is down the street from me btw. not that anyone cares.
- jonnyfive, on 11/04/2007, -13/+5Who cares!? This video is stupid.
- badjoke, on 11/04/2007, -18/+4"Oh, I have to download iTunes?"
What an idiot.- RevToTheRedline, on 11/03/2007, -2/+14He was just keeping conversation going, moron.
- LazyEric, on 11/11/2007, -9/+17If their goal is to limit it to two iPhones per person, tracking purchases by credit card is not the right way to go about it. Imagine a father with two teenagers. He buys one with his credit card for himself, his daughter buys one with her father's credit card, and then the son is prevented from buying it on that credit card? Even though it's three different people?
Person != Credit Card- Lindane, on 11/04/2007, -0/+10It gets worse. Imagine a father with five teenagers!!!
- Jholder112233, on 11/04/2007, -1/+10It gets even worse. Imagine a father with six teenagers!!!
- thenewmadmax, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5it gets even worse, he cant aford to buy condoms!
- daldredge, on 11/04/2007, -4/+3Well you appear to be unable to buy a keyboard with capital letters or the ' key on it...
- Buelldozer, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2He also couldn't afford to buy Iphones!
- thenewmadmax, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5it gets even worse, he cant aford to buy condoms!
- Jholder112233, on 11/04/2007, -1/+10It gets even worse. Imagine a father with six teenagers!!!
- Lindane, on 11/04/2007, -0/+10It gets worse. Imagine a father with five teenagers!!!
- kreatre2007, on 11/05/2007, -10/+17This is stupid. The Apple Store employees know exactly why they can't accept cash for iPhones. The reason for this is that there are a lot of unlockers buying the phones. This is against the terms and conditions of the use of the iPhones. Legally, Apple has to enforce this or else, they could be sued by AT&T for not finding a way to enforce the terms and conditions. I think it sucks ass but, if it weren't for the unlockers trying to hack the iPhone they wouldn't need to do this.
- chris8535, on 11/05/2007, -2/+11I can't count the number of times I can tell Apple has told their geniuses and workers to lie to me. I remember the original ipod shuffle crapped out pretty regularly. The Genius told me he had never seen this problem before, even though there were other people in line with it! Then he claimed to lost the record of me having this problem already 2! other times. I asked to see his screen and he refused put his hand over it. I told him he was lying and he told me to leave. I wasn't even raising my voice, just frustrated (along with other customers) that apple was clearly mandating that these guys lie.
- nastajus, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1ah that just seems like a normal human. i sent out hundred of electronics to repair at radioshack for over 2 years. i only ever saw a handful of symptoms. i wasn't the repair-shop guy myself. my highest concern was to get an accurate description of the problem and send it off.
- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5I love how you are trying to exonerate Apple from blame, making it look like they are ONLY doing this because big bad AT&T is making them to.
Nope. - raymore, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2yeah sorry, but I think it is bs that Apple can just say " We are going to keep some sort of info from your credit account, and then track you, and make sure you aren't buying too many of our product." Ok, whatever U.S. Government's little brother.
- xkorbin, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Simple. You buy pre-paid credit cards (they make them in visa, mastercard, you name it) and buy many this way. The tards working there won't question your home-made macgyver-be-proud peel-on mustache.
- Bitgod, on 11/05/2007, -0/+4Guess what smart guy, just because some company makes a rule, that doesn't mean the peons know "exactly why" that rule exists. There are plenty of rules the company I work for has, some I could guess why, some I can't, and I'm not going to spend time explaining to someone why they can or can't do something, it's not my decisions, I'm just a cog in the wheel. You got a problem with it, contact corporate, I've got better things to do than deal with people with their panties in a wad.
- chris8535, on 11/05/2007, -2/+11I can't count the number of times I can tell Apple has told their geniuses and workers to lie to me. I remember the original ipod shuffle crapped out pretty regularly. The Genius told me he had never seen this problem before, even though there were other people in line with it! Then he claimed to lost the record of me having this problem already 2! other times. I asked to see his screen and he refused put his hand over it. I told him he was lying and he told me to leave. I wasn't even raising my voice, just frustrated (along with other customers) that apple was clearly mandating that these guys lie.
- kelsosmythe, on 11/06/2007, -1/+58Get cash, go anywhere that sells prepaid visa cards, load it up and use that.
- acr2001, on 11/04/2007, -1/+12And this is exactly why this rule is only harming innocent people just like so many other laws and rules in our stupid world. If I was in the business of unlocking iphones and selling them I would just go around using prepaid cards from the supermarket. Costs me nothing, I can buy infinite iPhones, and the idiots at Apple have no idea.
- nastajus, on 11/08/2007, -1/+2wait, you have infinite money? can i have some :)
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -5/+2That's fine by them. The card will have your name on it. They'll have what they wanted from you if you used your regular credit card. And you'll pay a service fee to the prepaid card company.
- timmerk15, on 11/04/2007, -0/+10No, prepaid credit cards *don't* have your name on it.
- bieber, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1A perfect scheme. Now not only do the credit card companies get a service fee from Apple when you buy the phone, but also when you buy a prepaid card!
- acr2001, on 11/04/2007, -1/+12And this is exactly why this rule is only harming innocent people just like so many other laws and rules in our stupid world. If I was in the business of unlocking iphones and selling them I would just go around using prepaid cards from the supermarket. Costs me nothing, I can buy infinite iPhones, and the idiots at Apple have no idea.
- chkdg8, on 11/04/2007, -3/+15Can you just imagine holiday sales? What a nightmare, specially if you're buying more than two for friends and family. Total control.
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -5/+3Total control is Apple's middle name (if they had a surname anyway).
Everything they do is to the sole end of locking people into their ecosystem.- prammy, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1All the people who have allowed themselves to be locked down into the shiny apple ecosystem are clearly digging you down for your comment.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1I'm kinda hoping this holiday will have a Google Phone in my stocking personally. I'm sure they'll have a proper GPS in their phone.
- mitchlourens, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1and 3g capabilities...
- johnpaul191, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1and a battery belt to keep it active? no phone uses "proper GPS", they use something involving triangulation between cell towers and not satellites. that's why, in some ways, it works better than proper GPS (like it works indoors!, better battery life), but worse in others.
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -5/+3Total control is Apple's middle name (if they had a surname anyway).
- esquire360, on 11/04/2007, -7/+1It has a good explination of the reason at the end... but with people having 3 to 20 cc today, why would this work
- NightOwl4, on 11/04/2007, -12/+5i am a mac fanboy and have been for years...but I find this to be rediculous....
- NightOwl4, on 11/04/2007, -5/+1the fact that apple will not sell you more than 2 iphones? thats stupid...
- Vaeduus, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2A true fanboy would support such lunacy. You and Apple both fail.
- neiltc13, on 11/04/2007, -6/+17Is anyone else not just a little suspicious of the way they are being manipulated by Apple? They now know that no matter what they do, people on the web are going to be all over it and it might even make it into mainstream media. They cut the price and it's all over the papers, they give the refund and it's all over the papers and now they do this and it's headline news again.
I've got my iPhone but I am sick to death of these stories. It's just a god damn phone!!!- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Apple landed an unreal contract with AT&T that no other phone company could have gotten, so I guess there must be a danger of Jobs being taken into the Blue Room and beaten senseless if Apple doesn't fight on AT&T's behalf. =)
Apple gets money from AT&T for every phone they sell *for the life of the phone*, so long as it's locked onto AT&T. Unlocked phones on T-Mobile or in Europe don't gross any monthly service kickbacks. What's more, once they DO start selling in those markets, the early adopters will already be using gray market phones so Apple won't get squat from service contracts for those users.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Apple landed an unreal contract with AT&T that no other phone company could have gotten, so I guess there must be a danger of Jobs being taken into the Blue Room and beaten senseless if Apple doesn't fight on AT&T's behalf. =)
- hyaena, on 11/05/2007, -7/+43Apparently, they can legally reject cash.
http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal- ...- leif77, on 11/05/2007, -10/+3except for this whole part... "There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise." ... now point to the state law and youve got me.
- micromause, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Nice
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -1/+14Why shouldn't they have the right to refuse purchase?
- strangewill, on 11/04/2007, -5/+2Because thats the essence of what makes the American currency system work. (as far as not allowing cash in place of credit, as for refusing service to a customer because of other reasons, sure they should be able to within reason)
- leif77, on 11/04/2007, -3/+2forget i said that ^^ i read your comment wrong...
- xkorbin, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4RTFLink? It says right there that they can deny it if it is a private business. Legal tender is only for DEBTS. You aren't in debt until you have taken the product and have not yet paid for it.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -4/+3Personally, I'd make everybody play in Euros the way the USD is sucking these days.
- leif77, on 11/05/2007, -10/+3except for this whole part... "There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise." ... now point to the state law and youve got me.
- metateck, on 11/04/2007, -16/+5Is this even legal to not accept cash?
- crimson117, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3It's legal to decide not to do business with a person for any reason. The only thing it's illegal to do is to hold someone in debt (like you gave them a loan a month ago) and then refuse to take cash to settle that debt. Because then you could refuse all forms of payment for a while to let the interest grow, and the person would be screwed.
- daxsymbiont, on 11/04/2007, -12/+2i've done a university lecture related to that, it's not 100% bad. for example, by knowing where most people get food and correlating that data with their housing or activities they can project (on a geographic information system(g.i.s.)) where fast food shops are more suitable for the consumers. do you think it's a coincidence many mcdonalds are next to burger kings?
- Vaeduus, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1And here I thought they were just trying to take away each other's business. Enlightening.
- Rotzooi, on 11/04/2007, -14/+2Apple fanboys, rejoice!
- SuperJimmyJimbo, on 11/04/2007, -8/+2Great video. I wish all video on the web had this level of production value and professional presentation.
- compgeek, on 11/05/2007, -3/+9I agree with some of the above statements here. if someone is buying 3 Iphones for their family it's a retarded thing to say oh you can only buy 2 I can see apple losing a lot of business over this
- vagarach, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3The number of families in this situation is rather small, and in that case there would almost always be someone else in the family willing to pay for it with credit and get reimbursed in cash.
- Vaeduus, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2The reply button is also under that comment for a reason.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2So you go to the AT&T store and buy them there. If you walk in saying you're buying 3 iPhones with 2-year contracts, I bet they ask you if you'd like a beverage. Apple doesn't sell phone service.
- EAMUS1CATULI, on 11/05/2007, -17/+10I was just going to get one but if they have this policy, then ***** them, and its not because i was going to pay in cash but its the principle of the fact that they do this. ***** Apple and their iphone!!!
- blocguy, on 11/05/2007, -3/+7Wow, who would have known not accepting cash was one of your buttons.
I think someone was just looking for an excuse to bash Apple. - louiemantia, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6Oh, you weren't going to buy one anyway.
- blocguy, on 11/05/2007, -3/+7Wow, who would have known not accepting cash was one of your buttons.
- JiHaDExTreeMist, on 11/05/2007, -22/+21Never bought anything from Apple and I don't plan on doing it any time soon
- NightOwl4, on 11/04/2007, -15/+4your loss pal
- chaosium, on 11/05/2007, -8/+7Who the ***** cares?
- Useight, on 11/05/2007, -4/+6You're a good man.
- roberto_deneero, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3Face it, you are kicking and screaming at the writing on the wall. Apple is the new king of consumers and your hallowed M$ is on the way out the door. Poor baby. Most likely you've already purchased an iPod because of its ease of use and brilliant experience. If not yet, you will soon. All of my PC friends have bought iPods, even after years of trashing products from Cupertino. I break wind in your general direction!
- Volcanite, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2thxu fr being so sane
- dolvlo, on 11/04/2007, -13/+20This is pretty lame, and I wont be buying anything more from apple. Consolidation of power always leads to corruption, and the support of credit companies over cash is a bad step for our society. Hopefully the gphone system doesn't disappoint too much, since it appears to be our only hope right now. I really hope google designs their system to be like a home computer (free of regulation where you can put any software that you want on it).
- louiemantia, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3As replied to another comment, you weren't going to buy one anyway.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Has centering your computing world on Microsoft been all gumdrops and rainbows up to now?
- sparkleprincess, on 12/10/2007, -17/+19Last time I checked my cash still says "This Note Is Legal Tender For All Debts, Public And Private".
- bingobongony, on 11/05/2007, -0/+19It isn't a debt. He didn't have the iPhone yet, so he owed nothing. Apple just refused to sell it to him. No sale = no debt. Hence, they don't have to accept the cash.
Learn the law before you try to quote it. - akkibaba, on 11/05/2007, -1/+8That's how they get ya : By refusing you service altogether, there's no debt created and therefore no obligation to accept cash.
- apollyon, on 11/04/2007, -10/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender - yup. Apple's new policy is blatantly illegal
- Buelldozer, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Yup, you're a blatant idiot.
- roberto_deneero, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1You're all complete dolts. Legal tender for all debts states that the note is ABLE to be used with in the U.S.A. for purchases. It does not say that it MUST be accepted. Besides, a credit card is just a representation of cash...so, technically, they are accepting cash - your representation that you have cash to pay and that you're giving the authorization for Visa to pay up front and you will pay Visa back with cash. It's a cash transaction. When you pay Visa back, you have to get that money from somewhere - checking account. How did you get money into your checking account? Either by depositing cash or via direct deposit from your job. Guess what direct deposit is? Cash! It's a note stating that X amount of cash was transmitted into your account.
Anyone afraid of what Apple's doing should be more worried about what that porn site you subscribed to is doing with your credit card info. Bulgarians FTW!!
- bingobongony, on 11/05/2007, -0/+19It isn't a debt. He didn't have the iPhone yet, so he owed nothing. Apple just refused to sell it to him. No sale = no debt. Hence, they don't have to accept the cash.
- ocellnuri, on 11/05/2007, -4/+48Yeah, that's really hard hitting journalism! An undercover investigation demanding an explanation from an employee that makes what? $10/hr? How about talking to someone at Apple that makes these policies, instead of getting confrontational with an hourly sales associate. (who may suspect reasons for the limitation, but you know hasn't gotten an official explanation for the policy). Even store managers are going to be in the dark on this one. They weren't in the meeting at Headquarters when this policy was thought up.
Next, I'm going to go to the gas station and ask the attendant why Big Oil is inflating prices! That'll get some real information!- raymore, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4It was that he was trying to show that even the sales persons and managers don't know. Not exactly a "confrontation".
- thenewmadmax, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3being someone who makes 8.50 in retail, i woulda had no problem wth him, he was very polite, its the yellers that i hate
- crimson117, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2He wasn't demanding at all! He acted in a very civil manner and was polite to each person he talked to. He never got confrontational, or gave any ultimatums. He just asked about the policy when he was presented with it. And he didn't pry for answers, he let the employees do most of the talking.
And if you RTFA you'd find out that the store manager was NOT in the dark about this one - they had a process they could perform to allow cash, which he identified as looking up your name to find out if you've bought iPhones before.
- mrblue182, on 11/05/2007, -6/+26soooo....
a family of 3 can't all get an iphone on the same card???- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -5/+13A family of three that feels they all need iPhones needs to remove themselves from society anyway.
- daldredge, on 11/04/2007, -2/+5Why?
- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -5/+13A family of three that feels they all need iPhones needs to remove themselves from society anyway.
- Lindane, on 11/04/2007, -10/+13Lots of people don't have credit or debit cards. Guess they're *****.
- lien, on 11/04/2007, -1/+11If you can afford getting a $400 cell phone, you can get a credit card. You can even go on Dr.Phil and cry about using it afterwards. It's a stupid policy by apple, but still...
- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -1/+10And how mnay of them are getting 2 year cell phone contracts without debit or credit cards?
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Yes, exactly.
- pintomp3, on 11/05/2007, -4/+3couldn't this logic be applied to any locked phone?
- D3koy, on 11/04/2007, -9/+2"This note is Legal tender for all debts, public and private" dollars say that for a reason...
But that guy was being a dick holding up the line like that, especially since he bought nothing...- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2There was no debt.
- D3koy, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Were they going to give him a free iPhone? No, there was a debt...it was a debt equal to the price of a iPhone, and it was expected to be paid immediately...
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1"Were they going to give him a free iPhone? No, there was a debt...it was a debt equal to the price of a iPhone, and it was expected to be paid immediately..."
Only if they agree to sell him the device. - bingobongony, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1No debt unless he has already purchased the iPhone. Any store may refuse a purchase. That is what Apple is doing. And until that purchase is accepted, there is no debt.
Go to a restaurant and eat...NOW you are in debt. They must accept cash. Hire some painters to paint your house...you are in debt and they must accept cash. Go to a store and try to buy something...no debt.
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1"Were they going to give him a free iPhone? No, there was a debt...it was a debt equal to the price of a iPhone, and it was expected to be paid immediately..."
- D3koy, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Were they going to give him a free iPhone? No, there was a debt...it was a debt equal to the price of a iPhone, and it was expected to be paid immediately...
- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2There was no debt.
- sparkleprincess, on 12/10/2007, -6/+1I just read the link that Hyaena provided. I guess my above statement is now mute. Thanks for the info Hyaena.
- akkibaba, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4moot != mute.
- MaynardJK, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5moot
/pet peeve
- jimoase, on 11/04/2007, -10/+2
- amneosis, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3hehe why do blowhards always feel the need to sign-off by telling people their name?
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2People died so the Treasury could get an exclusive contract on US currency? The law is that you have to accept cash for DEBTS, not for things you haven't agreed upon yet. They could require goat dung if they wanted to and nobody would have to die for that bit of barter.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Yeah so if you go into the store and smash one against the ground, then you can pay for it with cash.
- chiefbttlwshr, on 11/04/2007, -12/+6Wow.
This probably sounds crazy to you but....
I don't use credit cards, I have them, I don't use them.
I go to ATMs and pay cash for whatever I want.
I send checks to pay my bills and do no online banking.
None of my utilities have my real name or social security number.
You probably think I wear a tin foil hat, but I have a 780 credit score and never worry about someone stealing my information.
and by the way: DEATH TO THE CORPORATION- onus88, on 11/04/2007, -1/+8What do you mean that your utilities don't have your real name? Is that legal?
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6He's stealing the basement power from mom.
- ZigVicious, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6yeah, utilities couldn't care less who you register as, so long as you pay your bills on time.
- chiefbttlwshr, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Does it matter?
- bingobongony, on 11/04/2007, -3/+7And soon you will be living alone in the woods making mail bombs.
- roberto_deneero, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2LOL
- chiefbttlwshr, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1that's already been done.
i'll be much more original.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3Your hat is made of much stronger metal than tin foil.
- deadbaby, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4You can get "one time use" debit cards very easily. Once you make a purchase the number is useless.
- onus88, on 11/04/2007, -1/+8What do you mean that your utilities don't have your real name? Is that legal?
- Mrnut333, on 11/04/2007, -13/+6Revelation 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Where do you people come from?!
- daldredge, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2Please look up sex on wikipedia.org. That will explain it for you.
- chaosium, on 11/06/2007, -1/+2That's just it, how do they have sex while screaming about the rapture and black helicopters 24/7?
- daldredge, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2Please look up sex on wikipedia.org. That will explain it for you.
- jimmys, on 11/04/2007, -1/+0Mississippi
- Nerys, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2Well you got to admit its coming true. Just not for the reasons people think. It did not forsee the future only repeated the past learned lessons as being inevitably repeated again and again in the future as "power" tries to take over the masses :-) Its a cycle. Whoever wrote that part of the bible just recognize this repeating pattern of abuse of power and currency (rome anyone) and gave it a devilish religious twist :-)
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Woah... Is your Visa number tattooed on your forehead?!? How do they check your signature? Is the CVS code tattooed on the back of your neck?
Sam 42:18 - And though I start with a preposition, know ye that a time will come when all the peoples of the world will be free to communicate and common sense will prevail over superstition, and there will be much rejoicing. - roberto_deneero, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Lucifer 666: He whoth useth "Mrnut333" for onlineth ***** of bull shall be lov-ed forever by ye all mighty torment and evil in the name of Satan! Amen.
- chaosium, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Where do you people come from?!
- TheKorn2, on 11/05/2007, -18/+12***** apple
- max1574, on 11/06/2007, -6/+6***** you
- daldredge, on 11/04/2007, -5/+2You act like apple is you god or something...
- max1574, on 11/06/2007, -6/+6***** you
- ramshaw, on 11/05/2007, -13/+3This is retarded since when do Apple not want my money...
- onus88, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6The no cash policy really doesn't have to do anything with Apple not wanting money. They are obligated to keep the iPhone on the ATT network and constrict the spread of the gray market.
- allenu, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4They're getting more from AT&T than they will ever get from you.
- Theli, on 11/04/2007, -0/+0Or perhaps more correctly: They make more money from the service sold by AT&T than they do from the hardware.
This is kind of a departure from Apple's traditional business model as they have predominately made their money on hardware.
- Theli, on 11/04/2007, -0/+0Or perhaps more correctly: They make more money from the service sold by AT&T than they do from the hardware.
- ukrainial, on 11/04/2007, -9/+1If you offer to pay for something with cash, and they refuse, you've completed your obligation, if I remember my law correctly.
- samcrut, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4Sounds about right. But if you're BUYING something, they can say "No sale." and THEIR obligation is completed.
- onus88, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2This was a nice investigative article. I didn't really understand the reason behind the no cash policy until now. The most interesting tidbit was the description of data laws: "that Apple might not only be in violation of PCI DSS, it could also be breaking some laws (some of which are based on PCI DSS) as well as breaching the terms of its agreements with card issuers and credit card companies such as Visa, MasterCard, and American express..." It seems that Apple is stuck in a difficult place because they are obligated to keep the iPhone locked on the ATT network, but at the same time there seems to be some legal obstacles with the use of credit card information for tracking purposes.
- skimmas, on 11/04/2007, -5/+2man... you live in a pretty ***** up country
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