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Muslim Parents to Blame for Children Turning to Extremism

telegraph.co.uk — British Muslim parents are to blame for leaving their children open to the lure of Islamic extremism, according to an influential academic Dr Farhan Nizami CBE, a key adviser on Islam to the Prince of Wales, accused British Muslims of failing to make sure their children learn to speak English or supporting them in their education

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  • InvisibleInk, on 06/11/2008, -42/+5Parents are always to blame, right? It doesn't have anything to do with the romance and lure of extremism itself, does it?
    • UberNick, on 06/11/2008, -1/+25Romance and allure!? Please elaborate.
      • punx, on 06/11/2008, -0/+8I actually think the allure part is true, although InvisibleInk may have used the wrong word. Imagine being taught from a very young age that those who aren't Muslim are evil, and that your religious beliefs completely define who you are. Now, imagine being taught that it's an honor to die while killing as many non-Muslims as possible. Now you're a martyr, the highest honor in your religion. This would account for the allure part. When you have a child, you can mold that child into anything you want, their minds are blank pages at first. Add to that religious extremism from the very beginning and you can see where they grow up believing in this nonsense. The fact is, that if you choose to be religious, it should only enhance your life, not rule it, and that's where all fanatical religions hurt people, but especially Muslims.
      • hmunkey, on 06/11/2008, -0/+572 virgins.... HELL YES!
        • tony23, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I'd rather have 72 slutty chicks who know what they're doing.
    • ZimbuTheMonkey, on 06/11/2008, -0/+29I always did fantasize about self-exploding in my younger years.
    • jabberwolf, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6Romance allure?

      You mean:
      desperation, depression, loser of a life, nothing really to live for, and needing someone else to blame.
    • pitlord, on 06/11/2008, -0/+399% of kids who end up in trouble would've had a much better chance to avoid problems if their parents had been more involved in their up bringing. Too many people come to western countries and expect the government to provide everything including day care and child rearing.
      >.>
      These people come to our countries, dump their kids on the public school systems while they run around spending the millions they got from their families sudden oil wealth and when the money is all gone and their children have no future they blame western society and they wonder why their kids want to blow them selves up? If I had been neglected like these kids I'd probably want to end my life too.
      -_-
      Keep an eye out for attacks on British interests in response to this. You cannot expect these people to tolerate the dishonor of taking responsibility for their own children or they will kill you.
      >.>
    • Twinnie, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Go ahead and dig this guy down, he probably bares a better point than most of the people here. Just like a lot of marriages fail because people are lured into a false sense of 'destiny' because of Disney movies and ***** like that, people over-romanticise their lives and try to determine some kind of spiritual meaning for their petty existence. For some people who consider themselves to have a totally meaningless life then someone comes along and tells them they were supposed to do such-and-such a thing for the benefit of mankind they're inclined to believe. It's like those films where some bum is told he has to save the world, some people just WANT to believe that.
  • m0tbaillie, on 06/11/2008, -7/+116Uh well yea. Since your parents are the once you conceived you, had you, and raised you during your most formative years I'd go ahead and say that 99% of the time it's their ***** fault if their kid turns out to be a *****-heel.
    • Eezyville, on 06/11/2008, -15/+6If onl American parents can get a clue. Oh well. :^/
      • sentinel106, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2If I had to guess I'd say it's us 'clueless Americans' that are burying you into oblivion. I hope you have a shovel.
    • MWeather, on 06/11/2008, -5/+9So it's not the terrorists' fault, it's their parents?
      • wolferz, on 06/11/2008, -2/+7Partly... yes.
        • MWeather, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5So much for personal responsibility.
        • wolferz, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1Didn't say they weren't responsible. Just that their parents were too.
      • m0tbaillie, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Uh, I think you're reading way too far into the issue. Lurk more.
    • dtfinch, on 06/11/2008, -2/+4Or maybe the parents' parents fault...
    • jabberwolf, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4Can we start throwing parents in jail ?

      I'm not kidding, some actually get paid for their children's deaths by Iran.
      Maybe freezing of their accounts or investigation to make sure nothing is given to them?
      If money is given to them and they accept it on behalf of martyrdom, throw their asses in jail.
    • damonic, on 06/11/2008, -1/+10In other news, most children of Christian parents chose to become Christians themselves...
    • bullhead2007, on 06/11/2008, -3/+2I'm pretty sure it's the ***** up religion that dictates killing, martyrdom, jihad, supreme law, etc that turns them into terrorists. Sure it's the parents' fault for believing in such *****, but it goes all the way up the chain to the religion and stupid beliefs. Religion was never meant to be anything but hardcore and fundamental It's only in the last 100-150 years that there are not so fundamental/fanatical religious people around.

      Basically I believe it's the faith based ***** that tells them to be terrorists that makes them terrorists. Parent's aren't any more to blame than the kids, because the parents were brough up by their parents that way too. The root is the religion and culture.
      • m0tbaillie, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2I'm pretty sure you're a ***** idiot who knows nothing of Islam and therefore should shut the hell up.
    • BludneyPlud, on 06/14/2008, -1/+0The one thing that the radical Muslim community achieved was to convince Americans that they are totally dedicated to our destruction as a free and open society. That generations to come will be brought up to reflect the same ideas and ideals.

      This fact has caused much concern and yes, even hysteria, on the part of the American people. Even soccer moms were screaming for blood just after 9/11.

      One of the under reported by-products of this hatred for the west is that many Muslim people have been denied the opportunity to evolve. Denied the opportunity to open information, good and stable housing, nourishing food, education and the ability to watch their children grow and prosper.

      Without tolerance of other's religious preferences and a desire to ignore the host countries that Muslims have emigrated to, they are painted into a corner. At an impasse with the 21st century.

      One of the most egregious sins of the radical Muslim people is the insistance that they live under Sharia law in free countries like France and Great Britain. Why don't they want to assimilate if they bothered to make the long and arduous trek to these countries?

      Let's make a deal between Judeo-Christians and Muslims: We'll resist the urge to make snap judgements and succumb to prejudice and they will stop preaching hatred and violence.

      If this doesn't happen, the most humane thing that can be done is fight the ultimate holy war to it's total and utterly catastrophic conclusion. Totally wiping out the enemy and starting over. Otherwise, we stay in limbo, or worse, we lose a slow motion war of attrition and lose our free countries that were founded on our western religions.

      Christians have had to endure the crucifix with Christ on it in a jar of piss and some people calling it art. Let the Muslims understand that this is a perverse part of free and open countries. But tolerance must be insisted upon.
  • Maynza, on 06/11/2008, -6/+63no *****
    • gplpark92, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3indeed
    • suckanucka, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2No other comments needed, ++.
    • Porbeagle, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Exactly what I said.
    • gtlogic, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1Seriously. I mean, Catholics leaders have known this for what, nearly 2000 years now?
      • banik2008, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Islam has only been around 1400 years or so.
  • letierri, on 06/11/2008, -5/+65In another breakthrough research it was discovered that the grass was, indeed, green, and the water - wet. More on this at 6.
    • Stavrosian, on 06/11/2008, -0/+10It's nice to see a prominent muslim not offering any excuses though, even if it seems clear to the rest of the world.
  • crazy25000, on 06/11/2008, -8/+28In my neighborhood all the Muslim parents push their children to be doctors or engineers lol......so we're forced to study all the time =(, but its worth it in the end.
    • Codwhy, on 06/11/2008, -20/+5when your dead.
    • chanop, on 06/11/2008, -17/+5Excellent, we need more Docters and Engineers in Gitmo
    • mjamesa, on 06/11/2008, -18/+6lol!! You guys (Muslims) really are okay! Just a bunch of hard working people looking to be doctors or engineers. All that death to the west stuff and suicide bombing is just propaganda from George W. But you know, maybe if you stayed in you're own country and worked hard at being doctors or engineers the Arab world wouldn't be the crap hole that it is today.
      • Cuchanu, on 06/11/2008, -0/+11Look if you think Muslims are all bad you might as well hate all christians cause the KKK says the bible justifies their racism, or hate all hispanics because some are here illegally or hate all cops because you got a ticket, etc.

        If you knew what you were talking about you would also know that the reason the Arab world is in the "crap hole" is not because of the people it's because of the OIL. The US gov. has had it's hand in keeping the middle east in turmoil because they don't want the people to own the oil so they help ***** people run the country instead of people who actually want a better country. Thank Exxon for that. Hey the middle east is in turmoil and they are posting amazing record profits- but I'm sure that is a coincidence.

        And finally if your house was bombed and your child or another family member died would you be any different? A MINIMUM of 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians have died and do you really expect their surviving family members to want to thank us?

        BTW I live in an area with a 10-15% muslim (Somali) population and they don't want anything different than the average christian family.
      • munawarali2, on 06/11/2008, -1/+11And I guess if all those Europeans had just stayed in their own country, America would still be run by Native Americans and they wouldn't be ruining the Earth.
        • Cuchanu, on 06/11/2008, -9/+3Hey you commie if it wasn't for the U. S. and A. you wouldn't have TV or FREEDOM!
    • pintomp3, on 06/11/2008, -1/+14muslims in america are very different from muslims in france or britian. they are much more integrated and educated. you don't see the same kind of extremism in the states among muslims as you do in britian. there are a lot of theories as to why, but most of solutions involve the government working with local leaders to decrease the poverty and isolation that breeds such contempt and hate.
      • cbreaker, on 06/11/2008, -3/+5Yea, Muslims aren't a problem in the US, really. Our big problem with immigrants is illegal immigration from Mexico and surrounding areas. I wouldn't even care if they came here illegally if most of them honestly tried to integrate into our society. But they don't. So get the ***** out of here.
        • Cuchanu, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6How can they integrate when we won't let them? If you come here illegally you risk deportation if you integrate too much. I know a couple of people that have had to live their entire life under the radar because their parents came here when they were babies. It's a situation that most people (including me) can't really judge because imagine this:

          We make about 10x or more of what a typical mexican worker makes. Now imagine that in Canada they made an average of $300,000 per year. YOU'D SEE A LOT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION from the USA to CA, wouldn't you?
        • Travelsonic, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3The problem is, too many people are confusing integrate with "leave your values and culture behind" That is not everybody, but a very un-american issue that we do face
      • hmunkey, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7Muslims in America have plenty of Jewish and Christian friends. So at least here, there isn't a problem. We don't really count them as Muslims, but as Americans.
      • scamper22, on 06/11/2008, -4/+3I hope you see the irony in the statement.

        Compare America which basically just lets people in the country without any 'plan' of integration or sensitivities.

        Compare that with Europe which has all kinds of integration plans and laws against hate / political correctness.

        Once again, freedom seems to have solved the problem much more than government planning.
        • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1If America were in Europe, you might have a point. Better luck next time.
    • jabberwolf, on 06/11/2008, -3/+6Most muslims are ok,,, but most muslims seem to turn an eye to the evil sect of their religion.
      They pretend, oh that's not my religion, so I wont say anything about it.
      HECK I wont even say anything BAD about it.

      Silent condoning of muslim terrorist acts is tantamount to creation of it.

      Thus muslims who are becoming doctors and engineers need to make sure their voices are loud against terrorism... they claim they are,,, but it is rarely if ever the case.
      • toshibu, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Muslims do all the time, it just isn't shown in your media...
    • jozb, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5why the heck are people jealous just because the OP said he'll be an engineer or a doctor. you have the same opportunity as them, yet majority of you just watch porno and waste your life.

      and whats with the hatred against muslim. first of all he is a human just like you. second this isn't youtube, keep your racisms and hatred over there.
  • Testies, on 06/11/2008, -8/+19I agree.
    There is a saying that goes like this: Leaf does not fall too far from the tree.

    • GoKings, on 06/11/2008, -0/+14Don't you mean apple?
    • NeoCortex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+12What if it's windy?
    • Murdats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3what if there is a cyclone? I have seen leaves float pretty far.
      I think you mean "the apple does not fall far from the tree"
    • Testies, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7Just go with it. Think about it as not being an apple tree.
      Sheeshh
      Does everything has to be about Apple?
      ***** Steve Jobs
    • akamurph, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1um, fail. apple.
      You don't say "it's the grass that broke the camel's back"
  • Piontek, on 06/11/2008, -3/+13wow. thanks for sharing, sherlock........ -,-
  • CloseYetFar, on 06/11/2008, -11/+22Parents to blame? How could anyone resist 72 virgins? Now if it was 71, maybe.
    • GorfTron, on 06/11/2008, -10/+5I would have 72 non-virgins(but not too slutty). I dated a virgin and she drove me crazy until I dumped her ass. NO virgins for me ever again. If a girl can't have some sex without 100000 conditions, then she can ***** off.
      • FairDinkumMate, on 06/11/2008, -1/+15LMAO - Made me think of you in the afterlife with 72 virgins that wouldn't put out for you!!!

        Now that'd be hell!
      • PopcornDave, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5Don't get married then.
    • mickhead, on 06/11/2008, -3/+11"We're playing Magic The Gathering, wanna join?"
      • credence, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6hm, I'd [tap] that?

        I know, M:tG puns are awful, but I saw a shirt of it the other day and yeah.
  • poidh, on 06/11/2008, -27/+42Riiiiiiiiight, so it's nothing to do with the fact that Islam itself teaches that Christians and Jews are to be kept as semi-slaves and that everyone else is to be killed, enslaved, converted or raped. It has nothing to do with the fact that imams preach jihad and justify their words with reference to the Qur'an and hadiths?
    • DaDrake, on 06/11/2008, -14/+43You do understand that historically, Muslims been more accepting to Jews and Christians than Christians been to others? Also the fact that many Muslims see Christianity/Judaism as a necessary component of Islam (*****, half of their religious text is verbatim to each other).

      The radical movement is a reactionary movement towards a society seen as amoral. It has less to do with faith and more to do with how different the cultures are. *****, if 1800 America met 2000 Tokyo with their anime-porn-tenticle-fest-crap .... Americans will be suicide bombing anime conventions.

      It is a clash of cultures =p
      • Digger1218, on 06/11/2008, -0/+14Nonsense, the American's would just send some blankets over.
      • CosmicJustice, on 06/11/2008, -5/+6You don't understand anything.
      • known, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3And every religion is a covert mask for socio-economic collusion...
      • GreenBlanket, on 06/11/2008, -3/+4What humans have done in history is act like humans. The belief systems themselves are what we are talking about. Christianity does not promote violence, hate, anger, or malice, but Islam seeks to destroy all that is not Muslim- "infidels." What you are calling radical is what their belief system calls for and it is a good thing in my opinion Islam has gotten watered down to what we now call normal Islam. You can "culture clash" it into the ground...their culture is their religion.
      • BOFH2, on 06/11/2008, -3/+2Proof? I'm just asking for something to go on other than your word.
      • minapolos, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3Can I also add that with most religions it is a belief system so a Buddhist or Christian can coexist in a society that isn't theirs. Islam on the other hand has a social and judicial system that needs to exist for Muslims to be able to function according to their religion. The lack of these systems in the west leads some Muslims to feel disenfranchised. The problem though is that Sheria law is so backwards that no one in the west would be willing to put up with it. Many people will point to American and Canada and say but those Muslims have no problem existing in western societies. That statement is actually not true most non-practicing Muslims or liberal ones who do not wish to practice Sheria law have no problems but practicing Mulsims do and proof of that is the ongoing debate to allow Muslim Sheria law in divorce courts in Canada.
    • MrErr, on 06/11/2008, -11/+15Just so you know that the talmud also says that gentiles are be treated as semi-humans.
      Oh and there are some christians who say that the bible teaches that blaks should be slaves.
      • poidh, on 06/11/2008, -4/+3The difference being of course that the Bible and Torah are not seen as being the literal, unchangeable word of god. In november 2005, the Vatican even released a statement saying that the Bible was not the word of god.
        • pintomp3, on 06/11/2008, -3/+6that hasn't stopped creationists, homophobes, and fundamentalists from interpreting it literally.
    • foopirata, on 06/11/2008, -2/+9@MrErr

      It seems you have no knowledge of what the Talmud really says. Try not to soak into the usual white-power and anti-semite web sites and you may learn something:

      http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/
      http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/man.html

      "We see from Gittin that the Talmud considers the phrase Bnei Adam (sons of man) to refer also to gentiles. We see from Avodah Zarah that the Talmud considers the term HaAdam (the man) to refer also to gentiles. Clearly, gentiles are considered human. Why then does the Talmud in Bava Metzia understand that gentiles are not considered Adam (man)?

      The explanation is that these are different terms and only a superficial reading would render the term Adam in Bava Metzia as man. Gentiles are absolutely considered human as biology clearly dictates; there are no physiological differences between Jews and gentiles. All people are ultimately descended from the same ancestors, Noah and Adam.

      However, the Jews, as a unified nation, are one organic entity. We are obligated to treat each other as close family members and are responsible for each other's actions.

      When the Talmud sees the Hebrew word Adam it sees an allusion to Adam of Genesis 1-5 who was at one time the only person. The Talmud understands this as referring to the Jewish people who are an organic unit like one person. Gentiles do not have this organic national bond with each other and are therefore excluded from this concept.

      Other terms referring to people, Bnei Adam (sons of Adam) or HaAdam (the man), are understood to refer to the species ***** sapien of which gentiles are obviously members just as Jews are.

      Thus, with regard to ritual impurity and holy oil, which are uniquely Jewish concepts, the Talmud sees an exclusion to all those who are not part of the organic Jewish nation. With regard to practical matters such as the purchase of land or individual matters such as spiritual status, gentiles are included. An understanding of all of the relevant passages in the Talmud shows that Gentiles are considered human but not Jewish and the accusations against the Talmud are false."

      • MrErr, on 06/11/2008, -4/+1Thank you for the reply. I used semi-humans more figuratively rather than literally. What i was trying to say that the talmud allows for the jews to treat gentiles in a disrepectful way.
      • foopirata, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2And you'd be wrong again. In numerous places in the Talmud, comments of in this vein can be found:

        Tosefta Bava Kamma 10:8
        It is worse to steal from a gentile than from a Jew because of desecration of [G-d's] name.

        Talmud Chullin 94a
        As Shmuel said: It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile.

    • munawarali2, on 06/11/2008, -2/+7Geez, Learn a little about the subject , before spreading your ignorance on the topic
    • loganhid, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4Biggest crap I've ever heard. Islam doesn't teach those things - learn about the religion before coming out with false allegations like this you ignorant fool
      • poidh, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Suck a dick, ***** for brains. Islam does teach those things and a read of the Qur'an and hadiths will confirm this.
      • akamurph, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Biggest crap? "It has nothing to do with the fact that imams preach jihad and justify their words with reference to the Qur'an and hadiths?" - So you're saying that statement is false? You can say all you want that Islam is the religion of peace and yadda yadda, but a lot of the people "teaching" Islam do not teach peace!! A large majority I'm guessing.
    • placidified, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1@poidh

      you are the incarnation of an ignoramus
  • GeoNine, on 06/11/2008, -26/+18wow...I'm not buying into this at all. If you don't teach your kids English they will become extremists.

    How about don't invade their countries, rape their women, and steal their oil.

    • poidh, on 06/11/2008, -9/+17'Their' countries? 'Their' women? 'Their' oil?

      You mean the UK, British women and North Sea oil?

      Or are you just an *****?
      • GeoNine, on 06/11/2008, -4/+9what does this have to do with me being *****? If you disagree fine, how about some intelligent discussion.

        You're going to have to try a little harder to get a rise out of me.

        But yes, believe it or not some people DO identify with their religious group before and above their country. To some spirituality is more important than country.
        • poidh, on 06/11/2008, -3/+5Intelligent discussion? With you? After your assholic comment earlier? Are you a comedian as well as an *****?
        • solid12345, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Name what country we invaded, raped their women, and stole their oil to justify 9/11?.
      • inkyblue2, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5now that you mention it, that sounds kind of fun! now, where did i put my viking helmet...
    • mjamesa, on 06/11/2008, -13/+9Yeah you're right! All Muslims are just fun loving peaceful people, kinda like hippies but without all the evilness of pot and sex. The real terrorists are those crazy Americans and their British friends, always passing laws and restrictions on terrorism. Muslims are the victims, they are forced to blow themselves up because the dirty Americans are rich and good looking and are friendly to those evil Israelis.
      • Murdats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6lol, you think americans are good looking.
        and as a whole most americans are pretty poor.
        • mjamesa, on 06/11/2008, -1/+0I'm sorry their poor compared to who? Which third world country are you trying to compare them too?
        • Murdats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1why only compare america to the worst? they certainly arent the best, or are you saying any country that isnt a third world country is rich?
        • Monk22, on 06/11/2008, -0/+240% of people below the poverty line OWN their own house. please find me any country that has a compareable rate. not to mention how many people below the poverty line have TV's, AC, maybe a computer, maybe even a car. your out of your ***** mind.
        • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -1/+0mjamesa: What do countries not aligned with NATO or the Soviet Bloc have to do with anything? That's a very strange and arbitrary restriction on the comparisons.

          Did you even know what a 3rd world country is?
        • mjamesa, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0MalenfantX, Are you new to earth? Let me be the first to say Welcome! America's GDP is more than any two other countries in the world combined. Even the poor in America are better off than the majority of the world.
          Like or not America rules the majority of the world, Remember that every time you're posting a stupid comment on the Internet that America created.
        • Murdats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1so no one has steped up to refute my americans are not good looking statement, interesting.
      • michaeltime, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3Americans are, by and large, very very fat. Look it up, not a lie.
    • erikwithaknotac, on 06/11/2008, -2/+19If you immigrate to a new country and don't even try to assimilate, yes, your children will feel marginalized.
      • GeoNine, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5Absolutely, I see what you are saying and to overlook it as a factor in the creation of extremists would be a mistake.

        I guess I feel like there are other reasons that play a bigger role.
        • textrant, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2No, if the children assimilated into British culture, they would not be so easily turned to extremism. However once you do have a resentful young Muslim, trapped in a western country who he feels are against everything he believes, he is easy pickings for recruitment.
          So while you are right, yours are secondary reasons while the cultural assimilation factor is primary.
        • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Textrant: Don't know what fools are digging you down, but you are correct. No one who considers themselves British would attack their own country in support of Muslim fanatics. They would have to consider themselves Muslims rather than Britons, and identify with the crazies rather than with their countrymen.
    • GreenBlanket, on 06/11/2008, -3/+5Man stealing that oil is getting expensive...$4 a gallon on average in the US.
      • GeoNine, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1ummm.. yeah. Someones making money off that oil, and its not the people at the pump. Nice observation. (sarcasm)
  • hamobu, on 06/11/2008, -4/+11It is some guys opinion quoted as a fact. It is crap like this that frames discussions about Muslims and Islam. I would love to know real crime and education statistics of British Muslims.
    • poidh, on 06/11/2008, -3/+12Well, 12% of all prisoners are Muslim whereas they only make up about 3% of the population.
      • textrant, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3Why do some people digg you down for quoting statistics?
      • hamobu, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5in the US, blacks are 13% of the population, but 49% or persons in prison (41% of persons in Jails). I guess Muslims in UK have about the same socio-economic status as Blacks in USA do. May not have anything to do with religion though.

        Also here in the USA, 67% of Muslims have bachelors degree compared to 44% national average. This is despite the fact that Muslims are younger than average Americans.
        • poidh, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Muslims are not a downtrodden group in the UK. The reason why there are alot of Muslim criminals is that from birth, they are told that infidels are to be despised and treated harshly, in line with Islamic teaching.
        • hamobu, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Than why do Muslims in USA do better than average and Muslims in UK do worse than average? maybe it is because of prejudice like the one you are showing.
    • kotatsu, on 06/11/2008, -3/+10In some British prisons over 50% of the inmates are muslims. That was only on the news in the UK a few weeks back. Is your memory so short?
      • dude001, on 06/11/2008, -4/+2What was their religion before they went into jail?

        Prisoners tend to become muslim once they are in jail.
    • jabberwolf, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4A high percentage of the British Muslim population also is without jobs and on the dole.
      Why not stop immigrating to a country and living off their good will, then blaming them for not succeeding?

      It seems to me that Islam is all about blaming someone else for your problems.
      • hamobu, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3Actually Muslims in USA do better than general population. Maybe there is something wrong with Britain.
  • deanoplex, on 06/11/2008, -2/+29I watched a child pick up a firework after it had gone out. His dad took his wrist and slapped the firework out of his hand. There was a look of shock on the child's face. He had learned that picking up a smoldering firework causes a frightening sting to his hand. That is good parenting.
    • chuckDontSurf, on 06/11/2008, -4/+6Or you could just explain to him why it's dangerous to pick up smoldering fireworks. Associating negative consequences with certain actions is better suited to animals that can't reason, like dogs.

      Then again, you didn't say how old the kid was. Kids can't really reason before a certain age, so maybe that was the best course of action.
      • deanoplex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6Yes, the child was to young to reason with. That's why I was impressed with the method of the lesson.
        • WELLDOITLIVE, on 06/11/2008, -7/+1Associating negative consequences with certain actions isn't the proper way to train a dog even. Use positive reinforcement, same as with kids.

          Sorry, hit wrong reply button
        • deanoplex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2So when the child had picked up the firework the dad should have done what?
        • serif69, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6WELLDOITLIVE: Stop being friends with your kids and start being a parent.
        • chuckDontSurf, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5WELLDOITLIVE: I agree with you for the most part, but there are certain circumstances where positive reinforcement doesn't work, basically when you want the dog *not* to do something. You can't use positive reinforcement to train a dog not to get up on the counter or not to eat something poisonous. In these cases, negative reinforcement is called for.
    • tony23, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1And as many of the responses indicate, many people won't see it that way
  • GorfTron, on 06/11/2008, -13/+5My friends pitbull attacked him. Guess why? Because it is a pitbull.
    • dondara, on 06/11/2008, -2/+5There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
      • textrant, on 06/11/2008, -1/+0Yes, but some dogs remain bad after having bad owners. There aren't enough Cesar Millan's in the world to 'correct' the behaviours of the bad owners and their dogs.
  • Hassassin, on 06/11/2008, -2/+28I always thought video games were to blame?
    • Murdats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2unless you are muslim, then its your religion.
      video games only affect westerners.
      • Anonchrist, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4video games = the one true religion
  • thatguy11, on 06/11/2008, -4/+10Think about yourself as a young teen. Now imagine yourself in their shoes, where they feel opressed, and even with good parents they look on them as if they are bowing to oppression. The extremists look powerful, and the culture is based on power, machismo.

    Parents are always a reason, but external circumstances might take the cake on this one.
    • iticu, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8How are they oppressed?
      If their parents aren't bothering to teach them English while living in England, then that's a pretty big barrier that doesn't have to be there.
      • Pstmann, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2True but being oppressed and "feeling" oppressed are two different things. It is very difficult for first generation children to try and span two distinct cultures. A large percentage of them will feel marginalized and will fall prey to the vultures portrayed as community/religious leaders.
        Most of these parents don't have the educational skills to teach their children any more than what they knew back home, which makes it worse.
    • textrant, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Why do they feel oppressed? They live in a multi-cultural society where people respect each others faiths and beliefs (publicly so as not to be called a facist.) There are given some of the world's best healthcare and education without charge, and all society expects in return is for them to contribute in what ever way they choose.
      They feel 'oppressed' in the same way teenagers do. They are in a perpetual state of arrested development and will not be taken seriously until they lose their victim complex. I mean, ffs, they are the murderers here.
  • hermes369, on 06/11/2008, -5/+15How's this? If parents didn't indoctrinate children with religion, how long would religion survive? One generation? Two? Religion is taught.
    • SuperWinner, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5Taught and indoctrinated, yes. I think children should be allowed to choose their religion, (or no religion) when they come of age and can do so with full consent. My guess is, most would chose none at all.
      • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1You could never get the religious to stop indoctrinating their children. When people mistakenly think the supernatural is real, they tend to take it very seriously. They don't understand that they're crippling their children's minds, because they don't understand that their cherished beliefs are primitive superstition.
        What do you do about well-meaning but seriously misguided parents warping their own children?
    • scamper22, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3sadly that is a myth.

      Just look at muslims who emigrated to Canada in the 60s 70s... Often completely secular people. Their kids, against their own parent's wishes are adopting a stronger version of Islam; wearing the hijab, praying 5 times a day...

      It would be nice to think the parents are forcing this on the kids. In many cases, this is not true.

      It's not too complicated . They're secular muslims. Yet, they're not quite western and are never 100% comfortable with western culture. So they group up with an identity crises. Then voila...there's Islam. A clear identity they can grasp on to. So they cling to it.

      • SharkyTech, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1The problem is not that they indoctrinate theur children into an extreme form of Islam, its that they teach their children that the Koran is a source of divine truth at all that is the problem. By teaching kids that religion and religious texts are something not to be questioned or challenged at all you give them a good reason to become further indoctrinated.
  • jonnyfatman, on 06/11/2008, -0/+28If you take away the title's sensationalist references to Muslims, terrorists and extremism you're basically left with:
    "Parents are to blame for children"
    Which applies pretty much universally, independent of race, belief or otherwise.
    • Sumudu, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0I was just about to make that comment. Well done.
  • StMac, on 06/11/2008, -3/+8Here we go again...
  • kotatsu, on 06/11/2008, -9/+44"But on Tuesday some Muslim groups said it was unfair to point the finger of blame at parents, and that the Government should commit more funding to language lessons for immigrants"
    No, that's *****. If you come to live in another country YOU LEARN TO SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU GET ON THE ***** PLANE. Anything less is beyond retarded and spectacularly rude.
    • FairDinkumMate, on 06/11/2008, -12/+9OK. Try this. I'm Australian & married a Brazilian. My wife's mother got sick so we came to Brazil to look after her. I didn't speak Portuguese at the time.
      According to you I:
      A) Should have stayed in my country & seperated from my wife
      B) Should have kept my wife with me & said stuff you to her mother
      C) Am beyond retarded & spectacularly rude!

      Get a grip. The world doesn't work on your simplistic terms you self-centred, ignorant PRAT!
      • jonnypage, on 06/11/2008, -1/+10I don't think most people emigrating to other countries are moving to look after ailing inlaws.. So

        A, B) You are an exception. No one said you should do anything of the sort, but thanks for assuming.
        C) Yes.

        Get a grip. The world's situations don't revolve around you and your simplistic thinking, you self-centered, ignorant PRAT!

        :)
        • Tyorant, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Win.
        • FairDinkumMate, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1The original comment was directed at ANYONE that moves to another country - in no uncertain terms. Yes, I agree, I am an exception. But the whole problem with generealising as the original poster did is that there are many exceptions to any generalisation!
          I'm sorry if what happens in my life is SIMPLISTIC thinking to you.
      • jabberwolf, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4A- THAT IS YOUR OPTION

        B- YOUR OPTION STILL

        C- You will make the impression that you are retarded if you use being lazy to not take language lessons yourself.

        Who is ignorant? You are simply lazy and assigning blame and effort to someone else to deal with.
        • FairDinkumMate, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1Your self centred right wing arse may believe that options A & B are my choice & that may well be the way you treat your loved ones & family jabberwolf - but some of us are still human!

          And if you weren't so lazy & keen to assign blame(typical of you though - all mouth, no comprehension) & could get READ ENGLISH(maybe you need some language lessons) you would have seen that I didn't say I hadn't learnt the language, I just hadn't learnt it before I came here for the reasons explained.
        • Codwhy, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1just ***** buy a book on porteguese, pirate a rosetta stone dvd, or buy a ***** little electronic translator

          stop being so dramatic
    • Nenb, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5Thank you. I will keep that in mind when I see pictures of a genocide in some african country. They people running away from their burning homes should stay the ***** there and learn the language of the country they are fleeing to!
      • jonnypage, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Obviously Refugees are an exception..
    • TheUngod, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6That does only go for flying. If you're from Mexico jumping into the US, it's fine to not learn English. Apparently.
    • buba1243, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3So then how would any one be able to flee an oppressive government? It becomes the job of a host country that allows people in to the teach them about the country.

      Way back during the German immigration to America there ended up being more German speaking people here then English. If we had not taught them anything imagine where we would be right now. And yes there was a lot of people hating Germans then.
    • sentinel106, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2You have obviously never been to America, where the majority of the latin-American immigrants fail to learn English, even through several generations.
    • jozb, on 06/11/2008, -3/+3http://xkcd.com/84/ really, then why aren't you all speaking Cherokee?

      Definitions of hypocrite on the Web:
      * a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite
      • Monk22, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1because that situation is completely relevant in modern society.

        Dictionary:
        idiot (ĭd'ē-ət) pronunciation

        1. A foolish or stupid person.
        2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
        • jozb, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1really, is that what you are. i'm really sorry to hear that, hope you get better soon.
      • SharkyTech, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I was waiting for someone to post that comic. Thanks for saving me from looking for it.
    • Fremen93, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3This shows that you don't have a clue.
      Learning another language is very difficult, and usually can only be accomplished by living in the new country and immersing yourself in the new language. once you're an adult, its too late!
      you might learn some basics, but not enough to be fluent.
      now people who come here are usually in economic despair and can't wait the years it might take to learn the new language before escaping their situation.
      You are lucky that you were born in a good country that has opportunities...but don't act like you are somehow a better person or what not...it was just luck...
  • TheLogic, on 06/11/2008, -12/+4Well, if you're being force-fed Christian values while trying to grow up Muslim, no ***** you're going to become more likely to turn to extremism. Note the outrage that pours out of any Christian area where views aside from their own are taught to kids in school. Parents are responsible for the moral upbringing of their children, so if they're actually teaching them to bomb subways and cars, they should be held accountable for their *****. If the parent isn't doing anything of the sort, and the kid's normal until they start facing adversity for their beliefs and feeling their way of life is being attacked, society needs to take a step back and check themselves. It doesn't surprise me much when people turn out to be pieces of *****.
    • saxreturns, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5The UK isn't like America. Many of our schools don't have any kind of religious affiliation, and Muslims are certainly not being 'force-fed' any Christian values. It's more likely that those young Muslims who are separated from UK mainstream society and grow up learning in Muslim schools - without much knowledge of the English language or the majority of the people who live here - will be the ones turning to extremism as they are often taught biased information and develop dangerous misconceptions about Western society. Segregated communities are almost always breeding grounds for extremism.
      • Nenb, on 06/11/2008, -2/+0Is not the UK one of a very few nations in the world without a separation of church and state?
        • yawaramin, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Yes. That's what saxreturns just wrote.
        • Nenb, on 06/11/2008, -1/+0saxreturns wrote "Many of our schools don't have any kind of religious affiliation, and Muslims are certainly not being 'force-fed' any Christian values."

          How can that be true when UK schools have to teach christianity because there is no separation between church and state?
        • saxreturns, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Nenb, I've been in the UK education system since I was 4 years old. Not once have I been taught any religion in school (except within the context of religious education lessons, when we were taught the basics of all major religions), or told to pray or sing a hymn. As for a separation of church and state, I'm not really sure where the line is drawn in the UK, but the boundaries seem to be just as blurry in the US at the moment.
      • q254, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2"Segregated communities are almost always breeding grounds for extremism."
        That's the best reasoning I've seen so far.
    • iticu, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1"Note the outrage that pours out of any Christian area where views aside from their own are taught to kids in school"

      Seriously? Which part of England?
      I haven't encountered any of this yet, though I do know alot of people that use Muslims as scape goats because they're different - alot of those people aren't religious at all though.
    • rlh1, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Man, I didn't realize that there was such repression coming from the British Christians !!
      Force fed Christian values....no wonder those they bombed the tubes.
  • FeartheKnighted, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8The parents are ALWAYS the reason. For everything from gangs to Harvard, look at the parents. They are by far the most influential figures in a child's life, and kids look to them as role models and for advice.
  • tufftugg, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6 American Parents blamed for Americans...Russian Parents blamed for Russians...Republican Parents blamed for Republicans...Doh...what a herd
  • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -2/+20I think it is funny when you see muslims in Europe protesting free speech. The idea of protesting free speech is just so absurd. You are protesting the law that allows you to protest.
  • coffee200am, on 06/11/2008, -8/+14But you see...It's really not the Muslims fault for turning to radicalism....125,000, 10000, 5000, 1000, 500, 100, 50, and 5 years ago, Muslims were just trying to get along with everyone when other people started to tell them what to do and how to do it. They didn't like that. It's just simple "fighting for our rights" stuff and we should always welcome suicide bombings and other bombings and try to learn from them and learn how the Muslim feels about all this bullying from other people.....Besides...it's our fault for making Muslims who live in our land obey our rules............../s
  • diggerphelps, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5
    Parents are responsible for how ***** up their kids turn out.
    Film at 11.

    Thanks to Dr. Obvious we now know this.
    • sentinel106, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2It's Captain Obvious actually, but thanks for the honorable mention.
    • diggerphelps, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1The story quotes a Doctor, so I altered the cliche.
      That's allowed, isn't it, Mr. Rocket Surgeon?
  • MrErr, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4I think there are several reasons why they maybe prone to become terrorists. It can be education, non-integration into the larger soceity, lack of good morals., discrimination against them and also their muslim brothers being treated like dogs in other places. Education is a good place to start for change but it cannot be used as a substitue for having good foreign policies.
  • Bots, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Did they really need an article to state the obvious? Sounds like a slow news day......
  • Modizzle, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2I don't think the English part is even necessary.
  • kvanderslice, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4I'd do some crazy ***** if I was promised a bunch of virgins upon killing myself in an explosive display of martyrdom. Not necessarily the parent's fault, although I'm sure they're just as ***** up as any parents in the US. Instead of dying their hair black, listening to Linkin Park, wearing make-up and polishing their nails, they strap on some dynamite and express themselves that way. We're just different, that's all.
  • trenchfever, on 06/11/2008, -15/+9Pedo muhammed sucks allahs *****.
    • sexMeUp, on 06/11/2008, -3/+2i take it your not christian
    • RemovesTime, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3Jesus did Mary...right?
    • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -2/+4To be honest I do not even think jesus or muhammed existed. And if they did they were both ***** and manipulators. They definatly were not blessed by God or were God.
      • SuperWinner, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Ok, just one more tiny step is all you need.... try no gods at all. There you go, now you are a fully rational human being.
        • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2I just do not care either way. If there is a God or if there is no God. Either way it is not going to change the way I live my life.
      • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Isn't that a little obvious, since gods are imaginary, and religion is a means of control.
  • FeloniusMonkey, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2*****' DUH!
  • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5Extremist = Emo's with bombs strapped to there backs. The cutting yourself does not seem that bad now.
  • ImperialSoren, on 06/11/2008, -6/+7If you are not "extreme" by western standards, you are not a muslim. There is no muslim moderate- they are the same as an infidel in the eyes of Islam. Our bleeding heart tolerance towards Islam will never be reciprocated as per the "word of god"- unless you convert.
    • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1How nice of you to tolerate a religion.
      • ImperialSoren, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2I don't tolerate religion personally. I'm wondering if the people who digg my comment down are doing it because they think I am factually wrong or just don't like the concept. seems like religious behavior to denounce something you can't find fault in.
        • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1so what you go and force people to give up their religion?
        • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0I think you're being dugg down for that extremely wide brush you're wielding. Plenty of Muslims are as harmless as a modern liberal Christian. People don't all take their holy books at face value.
    • haterofps3, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1I don't have the energy or the words to explain to you how wrong you are.
      • ImperialSoren, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1don't waste your time trying to find the words, they aren't out there.
        • haterofps3, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Muslim Moderates exist but with all religion, the belief its self is extreme. There are those who do not feel superior just because they have religion. But their religion does give them strength, and a focus that is used to lead their lives.

          We can take offenseissue with the theology but I think we should leave the spirituality alone.
        • ImperialSoren, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1I see what you meant by "not having the words"...
  • rperiod, on 06/11/2008, -5/+4Or maybe its the sour foreign policy against Muslim countries? Half of you diggers would be considered "extremists" if and only if you were Muslim... because of your views on Palestine, Iraq, and Iran.
    • solid12345, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1How is our policy against nations that happen to be Muslim an affront to Islam?

      We've bombed white German Christians in WW2, does it mean we had it out for Christians or was it because of secular politics?
      • rperiod, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0Similar to how an angry Muslim over secular politics becomes an "Islamic extremist" rather than a simple objector.
      • rperiod, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0Similar to how an angry Muslim over secular politics is labeled as an "Islamic extremist."
        • solid12345, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Well when they are in the street chanting "Allah Akbhar", speaking of Jihad and virgins in paradise you can't avoid but label it as religious in nature.
  • Khyber00, on 06/11/2008, -7/+1Parents are not the one to blame. It's the unjustice done by certain Governments attracting people to take revenage or to fight back. It's very sad that diggers have digg up an inaccurate news.
  • sexMeUp, on 06/11/2008, -2/+0wtf is the difference between this and the parents faults that raise criminals on the streets of america
  • amightywind, on 06/11/2008, -3/+6The children turn to terror because their parents tacitly sympathize with terror. As a nation, why do we feel the need to import this hostile and troublesome entity? Teddy Kennedy seems to have closed the immigration debate. We should reopen it.
    • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -4/+6I agree we should completly cut off all immigration to the US for any reason. You can visit but you cannot live here. We have 300 million people already that is more than enough.
      • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -1/+0Why not kick you out to make room for someone friendlier?
    • banderwocky, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Why are the parents teaching their children these gorilla/terrorist tactics? Failed nation building? Blow back? It's all part of the same hate talk I see coming from people like you wind. It was the same thing in Ireland, in South America, or in a hundred other societies through out time. You're not SOLVING the problem or addressing the original issues as to Why, just avoiding it with knee jerk reactions and hoping it will go away.
      • amightywind, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1If my filing my SUV with gas is gonna make a muslim terrorist then there is not much I can do. They have been killing infidels for 1600 years. The US can be very selective about who it lets in. It is high time we were. Let Canada take the basket cases. It is not hate. The US is not capable of resolving muslim psychoses and making them happy American citizens. So why bother?
        • banderwocky, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Then your gonna have to address several constitutional issues and remove the following from the statue of liberty;

          "Give me your tired, your poor,
          Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
          The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
          Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
          I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
        • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -1/+0We can't even solve the Christian extremist problem in America, and have to deal with big-government, phony conservative, Republican scumbags in office because religious extremists are easily manipulated through their own superstitions.

          Of course we can't cure Muslim extremists. We can however be accepting of the less-insane religious people, and not lump people who have harmless wacky religious beliefs in with the truly dangerous kooks.
        • amightywind, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1@banderwocky Ellis Island was closed decades ago. The islamists closed the statue of liberty on 9/11.
    • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2yes thats right all muslims are exactly the same.

      Just like all Americans are thick biggoted *****.

      Oh no wait thats not right at all.... though the comments on this site doesn't often go out of their way to show a different side of the American "persona"...
      • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2We are all bigots. So are you. If you didnt believe your way of life was the best way to live why would you live that way?
        • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1you clearly don't know what the word bigot means.
    • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3@banderwocky. I agree with you somewhate. We are causing problems in the middle east because of our horrible foreign policy. But I also agree with wind when he says we should completly seal the border and stop allowing immigrants in. As I mentioned you can vacation here but unless you were born on american soil then you can never be american citizen.
      • lemur, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1"As I mentioned you can vacation here but unless you were born on american soil then you can never be american citizen."

        That kind of contradicts everything that the United States of America has stood for since it was founded in the 18th century.
      • Hetman, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2I hate to mention this. But america was also founded on slavery, sexism, and racism. Should we bring those back also? The beauty of America is that it changes. That is why we can amend the constitution.
        • Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -2/+1the definition of "All Men are created equal" just needs to be expanded to "all people are created equal"
    • Fremen93, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1That is such nonsense.
      Parent's don't tacitly approve of terrorism...muslims in general are just like everyone else.
      This effort to demonize them is a weak attempt.
  • thedogfatherx, on 06/11/2008, -3/+3This deserves a big ***** DUH!!
  • rlh1, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2So the parents are the reason why the Muslim children become radicals.
    What's the cause of the Muslim parents making there kids radical ?
    I assume that the parents were this way before, I wonder where they get their ideas from?
  • ericjohnson0, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7Is it extremism when a Muslim kid in NJ refuses to attend his HS graduation because it is held in a church?

    http://thesaloon.net/blog/_archives/2008/6/10/3737 ...
    • jonnypage, on 06/11/2008, -0/+8No, it's attention seeking.
    • mrjoshua28, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6No, but it's assholism to sue the school because of it.
      • JointVenture, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1No, its no different than the punk who burns a flag just to EXPRESS his 1st amendment rights.
    • lemur, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5It's not particularly violent extremism, but it is bigoted not to visit a church *just for a graduation*. What Islam actually teaches is that since churches are houses of worship to the one ultimate God (monotheist), that makes them special places and sanctified to Muslims. If a Muslim wants to pray and he is near a church, it is best for him to pray in the church. In the United States, where mosques are few but churches are plenty, Muslims consider churches to be the best substitute, often seeking permission to use church facilities for gatherings, worship, etc.
  • afgizmo, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3Watch out, the politically correct police will be here any minute. I can't beleive they've allowed this article to socially profile muslim parents!!!!
  • JamesMorris, on 06/11/2008, -10/+6***** muslims, gtfo england.
    • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3That would be the same england that went and conquered everywhere.

      The same england that still controls part of My country: Ireland.

      Why don't you get the ***** off Digg you stupid racist *****.
    • xs11ax, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1thats what we said to you lot when you invaded india. it took you 200 years not mentioning the raping, looting, false imprisonment, etc etc.

      we started coming to england around about the 1950's, so i figure we still got another 150 years to go for payback.
      by then you will be dead and hopefully so will mentality like yours, so who gives a *****.
      • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1we started going to England around the same time and they came to Ireland 800 years ago... we should give em another 750years..haha
        • xs11ax, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0the english should be the last to tell others to gtfo england. hypocrites
      • Andrwmorph, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1I love watching Indian movies where the English are the bad guys.

        Lagaan (***** if I know how to spell it) was a good one.
    • KegBol, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2I'm English, and even I think you are a silly little *****. You gtfo.
  • Owwmykneecap, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7In part, Ghettoisation, isolation, non-integration, a poor education system, urban sprawl, lack of facilities, boredom all play a role too.

    Of course the Parents play a major role too.

    But look at ***** up kids who aren't Muslims... there are obvious patterns.

    People who are integrated into a nice community, with positive roles, who don't feel discriminated agianst, and can carry their culture while mixing with the local one don't often blow themselves up.

    Allowing the mixing of cultures is where a lot of these parents fall down, wanting to live in a new country but following the old ways to the letter simply doesn't work. it creates isolation, mistrust and disgust.

    Massive diggs down a-coming.
  • grungegbunny, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1Durr You think?
  • Willravel, on 06/11/2008, -2/+4This title is misleading. Most Muslim parents are good parents and good people, raising responsible members of society. A few irresponsible people are teaching their children extremism. Moreover, though, ANY parent who holds ideals over the value of human life is to blame for extremism. If you teach that God is worth taking a life, be you Muslim, Jewish or Christian, you're responsible for teaching hate and extremism. That's the failure, and that's what should be addressed... not Islam. Islam doesn't kill people; people kill people.
    • JointVenture, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2I think the title would have been better if it said
      "The parents of Muslims who become terrorist" instead of MUSLIM PARENTS.

      The point is real simple, bad parents have bad kids, be they Christians, Jews or Muslims.

      Of course there are exceptions.

      There was a situation where all these male calf elephants were placed in a shelter together with no adults. They became violent and unruly so they placed one BULL in the herd and guess what, all the "kids" shaped up.
    • Hartley1942, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1I believe one of the core beliefs of Islam is to fight for Allah. If that is not a blatant call for violence I dont know what it is.
      • Willravel, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1"Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war..."
  • thelastwarrior, on 06/11/2008, -4/+2Why the ***** are we even having this discussion...?
  • mariecordona, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4Yes, it's totally the parents' fault. For the same reason that mock elections always predict the presidential winners, kids repeat what they hear at home.
  • 55mph, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6Poverty, persecution and oppression are the primary reasons for Muslim extremists.

    check out the film 'Paradise Now' for insight into the mind set of a suicide bomber.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/movies/06para.ht ...
  • pintomp3, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5first the catholics, now the muslims. i wonder if it's something britian is doing.
    • lemur, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Most insightful comment I've read all day
  • DefenceMinister, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Ignorant people are attracted to extremism.
    • MalenfantX, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Yep. It helps reduce the confusion, and instills a sense of certainty. That's very tempting to a weak mind.
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