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  • magicjohnson, on 06/18/2008, -47/+24Decent video ... It's entirely possible that Kobe is better than Michael, we just will never know it because of how hard it is to isolate players from their team. Compare their supporting cast and you have to give the edge to Michael--the dude had so many good players who knew what they had to do to win. I mean he had Scottie who is the best role player of all time.
    • flogistan, on 06/19/2008, -13/+32You know he's not because he went home without a ring last night.
      • fowleryo, on 06/19/2008, -6/+11right, because the other 3 don't matter...
      • 21Chucks, on 06/19/2008, -2/+14Michael had a great supporting cast, Kobe doesn't.
        • Warcrack, on 06/19/2008, -6/+10Yes, because Gasol, Odom, and Fisher suck, right?
        • john2kx, on 06/19/2008, -0/+18compared to Jordan's teammates, yes.
        • 21Chucks, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1"Yes, because Gasol, Odom, and Fisher suck, right?"
          -Right. Well maybe not Fisher.
        • equinoxChild, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Gasol, Odom, Fisher

          not equal to

          Pippen, let alone everyone else...
      • sonofashoe, on 06/19/2008, -4/+4Kobe gets a free pass from NBA refs, as in his 'all arm' steal in game 5. the league needs a heroic acrobat; Kobe's the man. MJ never jumped over a kiddy pool full of midgets, how can he be Great?
    • DeviateSeptum, on 06/19/2008, -2/+9Damn straight. Nobody, but nobody, could play D&D like Scottie. He was the best.
    • usherzx, on 06/19/2008, -16/+2scottie pippen sucked ass, are you kidding?
      i can say that because I'm from Arkansas.
      Scottie Pippen sucked, Jordan MADE him look good.
    • frazorblade, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2I agree the video is good, and I don't see the justification in digging him down for what he said. It's like supporting Kobe makes you akin to a republican or Clinton supporter or something...
    • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+26Let's compare

      Michael:
      10 scoring titles (including 7 in a row)
      6 titles
      6 finals mvps
      5 regular season mvps (should have been 8)
      rookie of the year
      2 olympic gold
      defensive player of the year (AS A 2 GUARD!)
      1 steals title
      30.1ppg (on .497 fg%)
      6.2rpg
      5.3apg
      2.3 steals
      0.8 blocks

      Kobe:
      1 scoring title
      3 titles
      0 finals mvps
      1 regular season mvp
      25.0ppg (on .453 fg%)
      5.3rpg
      4.6apg
      1.5 steals
      0.6 bpg

      So Jordan scored more points (with a better shooting percentage), more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, more steals, more mvps, finals mvps, won ROY and won Olympic gold...TWICE! We won't even mention his college championship. A lot of years, Jordan had more blocks than a lot of centers!!!

      Now, let's get away from the numbers and talk about intangibles. When his team needed him most, he delivered. I don't care if it was a practice squad. NO Jordan team's giving up a 20+ point lead in the 3rd quarter! Great, Kobe can score 81 against Toronto in December. You're telling me that in a close out game, Kobe scores 22 points on 7-22 shooting? What happened two years ago (the year he scored 81 points) against the Suns? Game seven, your team is down by 15 at half time to a team that plays ZERO defense. Kobe takes a grand total of *3* shots? From a mental toughness standpoint, from a dependability standpoint, you clearly don't remember when Jordan played if you think Kobe's better.

      Listen, Kobe's great. No one can take that from him. But this video doesn't prove anything. Ever see Dominique play? I guarantee you I can find a similar array of moves from him. What about Vince Carter? Ever see him jump *over* 7'2" Weiss? There are a lot of guys with freakish physical gifts. There's more to being the best then just matching Jordan in a game of H.O.R.S.E, so to speak.
      • BaudiIROCZ, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3i think you summed it up pretty nicely
      • uiguy3, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2Plus Jordan's stats would've been even better had he not come back to play for the Wizards for two years. (i.e. ppg would've been around 32)
  • NightcrawlerX, on 06/18/2008, -6/+157Good job to choose the similar moves, impressive video.
    I understand that there is this question: Kobe Bryant > Michael Jordan?
    Although Kobe is an awesome player, I don't feel that he shows the same leadership that Michael had throughout his career.
    • digidigg, on 06/18/2008, -8/+2he also started in the league at a much younger age, kobe definitely has room for getting more leadership
      • magicjohnson, on 06/18/2008, -7/+34If being in the league for 12 years and being the unquestioned star/leader on your team for the last 4 isn't enough experience to become a great leader, idk what is. Kobe's a great player and at times displays great leadership qualities, but MJ was always the guy who everyone looked up to. Its just not close leadership-wise.
        • Larsonal777, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4I'd digg your comment buuut... its already at 23 and 23 is a good number.
        • sfh1182, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1But 24 better than 23 on here.

          (not on the court, IMO)
    • arkboysooner, on 06/19/2008, -3/+88Record in the NBA Finals...

      Michael: 6-0
      Kobe: 3-2

      The only people who say Kobe might be better than Jordan are the ones that are too young to remember Michael. He's the greatest that ever was. No one has even come close.
      • fokov, on 06/19/2008, -1/+38That and everything Kobe does was revolutionized by the way Jordon played the game. Jordon also made everyone around him better, and forced the guys to play the best every night. That's why he is the greatest player.
        • lupka, on 06/19/2008, -12/+6true, but Jordan didn't win his first championship until he was 28, whereas Kobe is only 29 now. Also, Kobe started his career in Shaq's shadow and has only in recent years become the leader of that team. Not saying he's better than Jordan, but there's still plenty of time for improvement.
        • Larsonal777, on 06/19/2008, -1/+8THAT is *****... a leader doesn't need someone like Shaq to leave their team so they aren't overshadowed... a leader would bring their team together... work with the other players and make THEM better... not use them as pawns to their success.
        • Herrold, on 06/20/2008, -0/+2If MJ had Shaq on his team you might have seen a perfect season in the NBA.
          Chicago's C's were anything but dominant.

          Ewing's dominance of Chicago's big men is the main reason the Knicks vs Bulls series were even close.
      • iceooo3, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Amen!
      • parentingteens, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1Lebron looks like he could overthrow MJ for the greatest of all time! Time will tell. MJ is so competitive that's the biggest difference between him and everyone else. He just wanted it more.
    • DaySeven, on 06/19/2008, -2/+5Funny how during this year's Finals Kobe himself said that he just wants to play his own game without being compared to Mike. But everyone just can't resist.

      BTW good work on the video
      • bashar129, on 06/19/2008, -0/+6All the sportscasters were comparing him to Jordan...until the Lakers dropped a 24 point lead. Then the comparisons stopped instantly.
    • topgun553, on 06/19/2008, -1/+32Leadership Aside:

      The one thing about Jordan is that there was never a time when he could be shut down. I mean you think Kobe or any other of the new young stars have targets on their backs when they play, but Jordan was known as the greatest ever when he played. No matter what the situation or how teams tried, Jordan could not be denied. Watching Kobe get shut down completely and then just try to force plays was a pathetic excuse for anyone trying to mentioned in the same light as MJ.
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+10Completely agree. Remember, when Jordan played hand-checking was allowed, so defenses were much tougher. Anyone remember the Jordan rules? It really didn't matter what you threw at him, Jordan was getting his points.

        This is the second time in the playoffs where Kobe was shut down (the first being the detroit series in '04). And him taking three shots after being down by 15 in game seven against the Suns will always stick in my mind as a reason why, mentally Kobe's not as tough as Jordan. He *quit* on his team that game.

        Did anybody see Jordan's flu game? The whole game? During timeouts, Jordan wasn't even in the huddle listening to plays. He was just sitting on the chair in agony. I still remember one sequence in which he scores, Phil calls timeout and Jordan goes to the bench. A kid goes over to him with a cup of gatorade. Jordan just looks at it for about 5 seconds, contemplating whether he has the strength to drink it. After a while, he just shakes his head "no" to the kid and slumps in his chair!
    • glxyjones, on 06/19/2008, -2/+19The difference between Kobe and MJ?

      Easy... Michael doesn't LET his team lose in the NBA Finals.

      Bottom line, put MJ (even after his prime) on the Lakers this year instead of Kobe, and their celebrating a championship.
    • iceooo3, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Absolutely, Jordan pulled a team together and marched thru the ***** with glory, kobe's just a ball hog most of the time.
    • parentingteens, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Kobe has played on better teams then Michael Ever did. If MJ played on those teams that lost in the finals instead of Kobe, Michael never would have lost to the Pistons or Celtics.

      As well as won it ever year with Shaq. Not to mention he would not have worried about who's team it was and focused on winning titles.

      Kobe is good but Michael would kick his ASS.
  • bigdawg, on 06/18/2008, -1/+35Awesome video, pretty cool to see the similar moves on each shot. That had to be time consuming.
  • diggNoah, on 06/18/2008, -26/+196Gotta bury this - game 6 last night took care of this debate. Kobe's no Michael Jordan. MJ would have stepped up and been taken to the next level by the Celtics, Kobe folded and quit (along with the rest of the Lakers). The Cs and P^2/KG in game 4 showed LA you never give up...game 6 LA folded like Jack Nicholsoln's court side seat.
    • Boshow, on 06/18/2008, -8/+43I agree, no more comparisons. Kobe might have the skills, but not the heart. Jordan would have given everything he had before he lost. Kobe mailed most of the second half.
    • spidoman, on 06/19/2008, -20/+29Yeah, judging entire careers on one game makes a lot of sense.
      • horizonsonfire, on 06/19/2008, -4/+21True, but there are games in a player's career that are evocative of the whole thing. Take Jordan' s flu game. This finals game may end up being a defining piece of Kobe's legacy.
      • arkboysooner, on 06/19/2008, -6/+10Jordan never lost a championship so yeah, I think it's a fair judgement.
        • Fun4Two, on 06/19/2008, -5/+2One game can make a player. That might not be fair, but thats the way it works.
        • spidoman, on 06/19/2008, -2/+8He never won one either. His team won championships, and Jordan had a much better team around him.
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6Actually, it's more than one game. Look at this entire series. Kobe shot, I believe, 31%. Name me a team that Jordan was on where he let a 24 point bulge slip away? Name me a game where when his team needed him most, he decided to take a grand total of 3 shots (kobe: game 7 against phoenix 2 years ago did this after half time)?

        Jordan performed best when needed the most. Against Utah, his team's down by 3 with less than a minute left. What does Jordan do? First, he scores. So now Utah has the ball. They need a steal, right? So Jordan steals the ball. Well, they're still down by one. No problem, Jordan scores again. Those kind of heroics became so routine you took it for granted.
      • incredibilistic, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1Thank you.

        Just remember this folks, Kobe was the league MVP. The Lakers beat every other team in the West to get the Finals and NO series in the playoffs went 7 games. Okay, so they got whupped in the Finals. Someone has to win, someone goes home with their head down and their face a few inches longer.

        Still, you can't take away the fact that between Jordan and Kobe, Kobe is one of the most exciting players to play the game today.
        • uiguy3, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1The only reason Kobe is the most exciting player in the NBA is because Jordan is no longer playing
    • smthop3, on 06/19/2008, -2/+24Well, it was THE most important game he played the whole season.
    • Sroek, on 06/19/2008, -5/+8As great as Jordan was, he couldn't have done it single-handedly either, which is unrealistically expected of Kobe Bryant.

      Boston is just a far superior team and too good defensively.
      • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -2/+7Um, Kobe didn't try and do it alone. He's got Gasol and Odom on his team, both of whom have been/are All-Stars and Olympians. It's not like he's going out there with untalented hacks.
        • Sroek, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Odom was never an all-star. Gasol was an all-star once in his career.

        • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Hence, All-Star or Olympian:

          Odom - 2004 Olympic team member: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_Odom
          Gasol - 2006 All-Star, MVP of the FIBA Tournament, and an Olympian for Spain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau_Gasol

          Point being, Kobe wasn't going out there trying to do it alone. He had capable help. No one was expecting the series to be Kobe Bryant vs. the Celtics. The Lakers were heavily favored to win the series before it started because most pundits felt the Lakers were a better team.
      • ClemsonPoker, on 06/19/2008, -1/+7I don't think anyone is claiming Jordan would have won the game, but he'd have given far more effort than Kobe did, IMO.
        • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -1/+5He definitely wouldn't go 7-22 for 22 points, that's for damn sure!
      • defcon11, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6Saying Kobe bottled it, shows how little some people on Digg know about basketball. He kept coming back at the Celtics, but like the Detriot D against Jordan. They swallowed him up, because he had no help. Odom, and Gasol bottled almost the entire series. This is a very young Lakers team they will be back, and so will Kobe.

        Also I love how when Kobe takes over and scores 50 he is a ball hog, yet when he passes he is isn't trying.
    • rb329503, on 06/19/2008, -4/+2As I type this, there are 81 comments. Get some Jordan.
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2That's great. He scores 81 against a (at the time) bad Toronto team in the middle of the winter. Then that same year (after blowing a 3-1 series lead) he takes a grand total of *3* shots after half time, even though his team is down by 15.

        A lot of guys have scored a lot of points. David Robinson once score 71. David Thompson (not a great player) scored 73. There have been *many* games where players could have scored more points but circumstances didn't allow it. Like, for one, passing to teammates. Jordan scored 35 against Portland in game 1 of the '92 Finals. It was a blowout, so he only played two minutes in the second half. Scoring *when your team needs you*, is WAY more impressive.
        • uiguy3, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1It's not how many points you score it's whether or not you win the game.
    • ryan00davis, on 06/19/2008, -10/+3so jordon won the NBA finals every year he played? this is news to me.
      • jimmies, on 06/19/2008, -1/+10He never lost a Finals he played in. Kobe has.
    • Blademan88, on 06/19/2008, -1/+4i was gonna digg this comment until you referred to paul pierce as P^2
      • gapingass, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2I see you don't want to refer to him as PP.
    • highstdawg, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1sounds like you are an injured laker fan....or just a kobe hater....he never compares himself to Magic because he's a great player in his own right....its the stupid media that keeps bringing this up....so maybe you should stop hating Kobe for all the achievements he's had.....and start blaming media....
      • incredibilistic, on 06/20/2008, -1/+1AMEN!

        I had this exact debate with a co-worker who talked about how arrogant Kobe is and how he seems to gloat over his success and talks trash about other teams. I quickly countered the fact that almost EVERY PLAYER IN NEARLY EVERY SPORT does this. What makes Kobe so special? The fact that the media has painted this picture of him being arrogant and no matter what Kobe says no one will believe him even when he says the opposite.

        But that's life. People need someone to hate on when they're not happy with themselves. There are certain players I've never been a fan of (like the Spock-like emotionless expressions from Tim Duncan) but I respect their game and give them proper credit when they or their team has a good game.
  • xOKxWhy, on 06/19/2008, -24/+247Kobe shouldn't even be compared to Jordan.
    • RockStarMVP, on 06/19/2008, -3/+6Everybody wants to be like Mike lol even Kobe
    • TheInformer, on 06/19/2008, -2/+4Kobe should be compared to Scottie Pippen.
    • bloggerjul, on 06/19/2008, -4/+2as much as I admire Jordan. Kobe is an extremely exceptional player in his own right...
    • rjam710, on 06/19/2008, -1/+4Yeah seriously, MJ was in ***** SPACEJAM! End of story.
  • machocheese34, on 06/19/2008, -10/+60I doubt Kobe is ever going to have Micheal's godly image
    • Whaines, on 06/19/2008, -1/+11Michael* Why can't anyone spell Michael?
    • Larsonal777, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Haha... my brothers name is mike... took me a few years to remember A before E... I'd always write it look and say thaaat doesn't look right!
  • SoopaflySAM, on 06/19/2008, -7/+30Those who endure, conquer.

    Gatorade.
  • Thrilltone, on 06/19/2008, -26/+4Showboating
    Neither man is near the Champion that Bill Russell is.
    He played 13 years and he won 11 Championships.
    No one will ever come close to Bill Russell's success.
    • newsfully, on 06/19/2008, -0/+19you're right because there were only eight teams in the league when he did that.
      • Thrilltone, on 06/19/2008, -4/+28 when he started. 14 during his final Championship.
        He overcame obstacles like Wilt Chamberlain.
        Russell had 51 rebounds in a single game!
        • newsfully, on 06/19/2008, -0/+7He was a great player and pioneer for the sport, but he played during a time when the talent pool wasn't at the level it is now. If Kobe or Jordan had played then, they would have had their way with the league.
        • rahamm, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Chamberlain Had 61 rebounds in a single game and they still lost the game.
    • jahurt, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Russell usually played on better teams, but no player is featured as prominently in the NBA record book as Wilt Chamberlain.
      • Thrilltone, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2What is the one record that really matters though?
        • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -0/+8Number of groupies banged, and Wilt still holds that record.
        • Thrilltone, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Touche' Wes
    • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2There are way too many reasons why you can't compare Russell's era to todays. Besides what was mentioned above, there was no free agency back then. Imagine:

      "You know, we're a good power forward away from winning it all. How can we get our hands on David West from NO?"
      "We can't. We have to stick with the team we have every year and hope our players just get better."

      Remember when the Spurs beat the Nets in the Finals? Imagine that five or six or seven times. With the same players!

      Jordan won six championships with Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley at center! His only consistent player was Scottie Pippen.
  • Weejay, on 06/19/2008, -8/+35They're both great players. Nice video :D
  • legendxx, on 06/19/2008, -12/+1Except the championships without a superstar sidekick.. but yeah.. they're the same .. lol
  • n0t0kayipr0mis3, on 06/19/2008, -10/+46Kobe got his moves, his finesse and his style from Jordan, so have so many others in the NBA
    Micheal Jordan is the greatest player ever so far, Kobe is a great player but he isn't close enough to being compared with MJ like diggNoah said, Jordan would have stepped up against the celtics,
    This video prooves nothing, you can do this with so many players,
    • F9Phoenix, on 06/19/2008, -0/+7/agreed
    • OhROFL, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Yeah, but even Jordan couldn't have single-handedly stopped the Celtics when his team fell apart.
  • Animan351, on 06/19/2008, -2/+5I thought you had to be dead before getting reincarnated? I guess some of his skill was reborn early.
  • rkintigh, on 06/19/2008, -19/+147Michael has 3 more championships than Kobe.
    Kobe has raped more girls than Michael.
    • diskopo, on 06/19/2008, -3/+27That you know of.
    • philostrato, on 06/19/2008, -2/+5scoreboard!
    • bigmrpig, on 06/19/2008, -6/+12That's true (the championships part), but to be fair, at Kobe's age Michael only had 3 also. Jordan was 33 when he won his fourth. Kobe's what, almost 30? And with Bynum back, and having Gasol for a full season, plus Odom, the Lakers can certainly compete next year. They lost 2 very close games this series before it even made it to game 6. Bynum has gotten to be a very good center, and he provides exactly what the Lakers needed the whole series: someone strong to bounce around in the paint. He certainly COULD have swayed both of those games if he was playing. Obviously we can never know, but a Laker 4-1 victory very well could have been the result with Bynum in uniform.
      • rdgn, on 06/19/2008, -2/+2if bynum hadn't gotten injured i doubt the lakers would've ever traded for gasol. so in the end boston would've won regardless.
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Yeah, but Jordan also had to go up against Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics and Barkley and Stockton and Malone and Olojuwan and a Young Shaq and Reggie Miller and Ewing and Drexler and Robinson and Payton (when he was still the glove and not the mitten!) and Ralph Sampson and 'Nique and Mark Price and Daugherty and Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullen (the gym rat) and Larry Nance and Isaih Thomas with the Bad Boy Pistons.

        I give Kobe credit for him and his team getting past a great Spurs championship-quality team. However, there is not NEARLY the quality of player today as there was back then.
        • Cglass, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1I strongly disagree.

          The league today has some great players. Yes those times were great too, but to say that Deron Williams and Chris Paul are nothing, and exclude Kevin Garnett, as well as Yao Ming, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Baron Davis, Ray Allen, Dwyane Wade, Elton Brand, Carmelo Anthony, Tony Parker, Emanuel Ginobili, David West, Predrag Stojakovic, Shane Battier, Dirk Nowitzki, Smush Parker, ok that was a joke lol, Dwight Howard, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Vince Carter...

          The point is that this league is very difficult, and only getting better every year. I'm not saying Kobe played great, he did fall short this year, and it was sad to watch, because he is so great. People seem to forget Jordan had his off nights too, he did NOT win every game. Also, Kobe's current team is VERY young, many have never seen this far into the playoffs, let alone the Finals, whereas Jordan's teams had very experienced older players to support him.

          Jordan was great, no doubt, but I will laugh next year when Bynum returns and all these same people start awing at Kobe ;)
      • ch3zyp00fs, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Michael had a gap between his 3rd and 4th championship because he retired after his 3rd championship. Let's be honest, Jordan could and probably would have won every year inbetween his retirement and comeback. Not to mention Kobe started playing in the NBA earlier than Michael because he chose not to go to college. So bringing up his age is somewhat of a flawed argument.
      • uiguy3, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1If Jordan hadn't retired he could've had an eight peat! Think about that for a second. SNL did a skit in the early 90s about how the Bulls would have a minimum eight peat as a joke but it could've been true if MJ hadn't left.
    • Duglas, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1So who does the edge go to?
    • calibration, on 06/19/2008, -8/+8Raping 0 people isn't more than raping 0 people.
      • RobotLeAwesome, on 06/19/2008, -6/+8Raping 1 people is more than raping 0 people.

        fixed.
    • arkboysooner, on 06/19/2008, -2/+16Michael 6-0 (would have been 8 or 9 had his father not been murdered)
      Kobe 3-2

      That's all you need to know.
      • ClemsonPoker, on 06/19/2008, -0/+12Man, if Michael had played those two years...this wouldn't even be in question right now. Probably 8 straight titles? In the 90's?

      • Valiantheart, on 06/19/2008, -2/+0As great as Michael was I'm not entirely sure they would have beaten the Rockets both years if he had chosen to say in the game. The Rockets were notoriously difficult for Chicago because of Olajuwon. If you look at Jordan's numbers against them throughout his career they are remarkably off his average.

        People underestimate just how awesome Olajuwon was during this period (which led Barkley to call him the greatest player he had ever seen).

      • bj7777, on 06/20/2008, -0/+1houston rockets with olajuwon, drexler, barkely lost to utah and that utah lost to bulls..so ...
  • ziyaad, on 06/19/2008, -3/+43Whenever I watched MJ on the TV it had a completely different feel and experience compared to...Uh...I dunno...Today!
    • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5To understand what ziyaad's talking about, just look at this video

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxvxCZ5GxH8

      Game 1 '92 Finals. Bulls vs. Blazers. Still the best finals performance I've ever seen. I get goose bumps even watching it on youtube.
  • TYEZ, on 06/19/2008, -6/+0well the camera angles make them look simular.
  • shai969, on 06/19/2008, -9/+87The difference is that MJ is liked and respected, Kobe isn't.
    • F9Phoenix, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6Bingo.
    • TitanX13, on 06/19/2008, -4/+1actually for many their is no difference except the nobody tired to taint his image
    • Disneyisevil50, on 06/19/2008, -1/+15No, the difference is Space Jam, which ends the conversation, Michael Jordon is the best
      • equinoxChild, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2dugg for space jam reference.

        Kobe needs some of Michael's magic water.
  • Darian6, on 06/19/2008, -6/+38Thats crazy, but Jordan is a legend, Kobe isn't.
  • TwoKill, on 06/19/2008, -5/+19Just look at how much further back Michael is on every dunk in that video compared to Kobe.
    • skratchnerd, on 06/19/2008, -2/+6Jordan's dunks have more style and ORIGINALITY than Kobe's. I mean Jordan did make up all of the moves that Kobe was filmed doing. I am sure that makes Kobe a biter.
  • RaysinX, on 06/19/2008, -4/+161jordan- 5 MVPs 6 Finals MVP's

    kobe- 1 MVP 0 Finals MVP's

    it's not even close
    • sonofashoe, on 06/19/2008, -1/+10This is where the rubber meets the road. The rest is globetrotting.
    • Temo1, on 06/19/2008, -1/+8Jordan should have had at least one more MVP too.. the one they gave to Karl Malone was *****.
    • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+10And there were many years where they were just sick of giving the MVP to Jordan so they rented it out to someone else. He won it when his team won 72 games. The following year? His team "only" won 69 games so they gave it to Karl Malone. They met in the finals that year. The results proved who was the real MVP.
  • blackrage, on 06/19/2008, -7/+43 rings
  • duke1981, on 06/19/2008, -8/+36Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the best he kicked Bruce Lee in the chest.
  • bigdaddyguido, on 06/19/2008, -7/+71Kobe Bryant has done an excellent job of modeling his physical game on the court after Michael Jordan, this video shows this well. However, to claim Kobe is comparable to Jordan as a complete player is ridiculous. He clearly can gives up in situations (in bad games or bad seasons), whereas Jordan never gives up, ever, period. Kobe plays unbelievably good defense, sometimes, when he's not working too hard on offensive. Jordan actually won a defensive player of the year award, as a guard, in the same season he scored over 32 points a game.
    Jordan would fly off the handle on people who didn't work harder than you can imagine, but he was a great leader for people who did work that hard. Kobe is too much of a prima donna concerned with his image and not with sheer dominance on the basketball court.
    • jahurt, on 06/19/2008, -0/+13Now that you mention it, the Bulls did get All-Star production out of perennial head-case Dennis Rodman in the Jordan era.
    • DeQuinceysDiet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Enough with the myth that Kobe plays great defense!! Pierce tore him up all series. His D, like many superstars before him, is badly overrated.

      Jordan, on the other hand, was the best defensive 2G in the league.

  • kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -14/+26MJ had Pippen.
    • rocketman42, on 06/19/2008, -5/+20And Kobe had Shaq. What's your point?
      • kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -4/+11MJ never went to the NBA Finals without Pippen.
        • ClemsonPoker, on 06/19/2008, -0/+12Kobe has yet to win one without Shaq.

          And no way is a SF as important as a dominant big man.
        • rocketman42, on 06/19/2008, -1/+13Of course he didn't. Pippen was drafted three years after Jordan. Unlike Kobe, Jordan was drafted into a crappy team. I have to assume you are too young to have actually watched Jordan play if you really believe he is overrated. Kobe just had a terrible series. Jordan never had a series like that, even when he was still fresh out of school. I don't know of a good excuse for a superstar in his 12th season to look confused in the finals.
        • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+7Jordan won six championships with Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley at center. 'Nuff said!
      • Larsonal777, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4ExActly... MJ supports his teammates... Kobe wants them gone when they take up to much of his spotlight.
    • Chutch, on 06/19/2008, -6/+12Shaq > Pippen
    • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -1/+19Odom and Gasol aren't exactly slags. Both have been All-Stars and Olympians. To say Jordan had it easier because he had Pippen is ridiculous. Kobe has a strong supporting cast as well.
      • utopiaNow, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Odom has never been an all-star. Jus' sayin'.
    • brettmurf, on 06/19/2008, -0/+20You got it wrong.

      Pippen had MJ.
      • kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -13/+2Pippen won a Championship without MJ, MJ has never been to the Finals without Pippen.
        • ClemsonPoker, on 06/19/2008, -0/+6When did Pippen win one without MJ?
        • ClemsonPoker, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Oh, he didn't, check the Wiki page.

          Career highlights: 6x NBA Champion
        • jimmies, on 06/19/2008, -0/+6I hope you're not going to try and convince anyone that Pippen was a better player than Jordan...
        • kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2oops.
    • Temo1, on 06/19/2008, -0/+6MJ never let his team lose a 24 point lead. MJ's final-winning team in '98 was no better than Kobe's team this year. Pippen had a bad back that year, he was playing at half speed most of the season and all through the finals. MJ willed his team to the title that year.
      • DeQuinceysDiet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2That is nonsense. The '98 Bulls were no better than this year's Lakers?

        The '98 Bulls, despite Pip's sore back, were a sensational team. When Pippen played, the Bulls went 38-9. Followed that by going 15-5 in the playoffs.

        Pippen's "half-speed" still managed to make him the best SF in the league. Rodman was the best rebounder in the league, Kukoc had his best season yet (key performance in that tough game 7 vs the Pacers), Harper played his usual excellent D.

        The Lakers were nowhere near those W-L numbers, or that level, as anyone with some hoops savvy could attest.
    • undershirt, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1I like Derek Fisher more than Kobe actually.
  • ndheav, on 06/19/2008, -4/+61MJ will always reign supreme..NO COMPARISON.
  • MetalGear7, on 06/19/2008, -6/+3Scary
  • sup4141, on 06/19/2008, -8/+24Kobe- 0 rings without Shaq
    • kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -7/+10MJ- 0 rings without Pippen
      • piratearggghhh, on 06/19/2008, -3/+22Shaq- 1 ring without Kobe.
        Pippen- 0 rings without MJ
        • baylat, on 06/19/2008, -0/+9BINGO
        • cRmtIMe, on 06/27/2008, -0/+1Kobe doesn't have anyone on his team that contributes as much as Dwayne Wade did when the Heat won.
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Yeah, but MJ was the top man on his team. Shaq was the top dog when Kobe won his rings.
      • WaRdRivR, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2i see where you are going there...but Pippen was not Shaq!
  • huntdizzle, on 06/19/2008, -5/+85Micheal never lost an NBA Finals game by 39 points.
    • CocoaPuffs23, on 06/19/2008, -2/+6Or 39...
    • CocoaPuffs23, on 06/19/2008, -2/+6Or 39...
    • jsaic, on 06/19/2008, -2/+21MJ never lost an NBA finals.
    • Herv3, on 06/19/2008, -1/+12Yeah, he won one by 40+ against the Jazz.
    • kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -8/+4He never went without Pippen.
      • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Kobe had Gasol and Odom, who were/are both All-Stars and Olympians. They're not hacks.
      • baylat, on 06/19/2008, -0/+6What the hell is this guy. Next would be, 'MJ wont go to the bathroom without Pippen'
        • skratchnerd, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4following the thread and finding this made me chuckle. oh the rewards in following comment replies. dugg for making me chuckle.
    • Herv3, on 06/19/2008, -0/+8Pippen is a great player that is sometimes undervalued, but they(Chicago) had their chances without Jordan and hit a wall against New York in 94. I give more credit to Phil Jackson though. Either way Jordan was the reason that team was so competitive and with his talent and therefore influence on the team, you had to listen to him. He pushed that team along with himself on both sides of the court. That team without Jordan may have been good enough to win a title without Jordan, but with Jordan they were a dynasty.
    • elarson, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Yes yes yes!
  • ironyCurtain, on 06/19/2008, -3/+3010 years apart? Kobe was wearing at least 3 different jerseys in that mashup.
    Kobe is pretty good, but he's no Jordan.
  • lrhunt, on 06/19/2008, -6/+45Kobe's an Arrogant Prick, Jordan let his skills talk for him...
    • timbellomo, on 06/19/2008, -4/+9Jordan wasn't arrogant? Come on!
      • skratchnerd, on 06/19/2008, -2/+5Jordan wasn't arrogant until someone pushed him enough. he at least had the game to back it up. Kobe is not consistent like MJ. Never will be. Go Celtics!!!!!
        • Cglass, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2Kobe is consistent, MJ wasn't perfect..
  • bobangitanov2, on 06/19/2008, -21/+2Somebody's either gay, or likes (basket)balls too much.
    In any case that person, for some reason, made this video.
    That person is wasting too much oxygen and producing too much CO2 to be left alive.
    • Lucainboy, on 06/19/2008, -1/+10Or maybe they just found something else to do besides waste away their life making useless digg comments.
      • bobangitanov2, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1my comment was useful cause it indicates the uselessness of something useless, unlike yours :)
  • rocketman42, on 06/19/2008, -2/+41Where's the video of Jordan wilting in the finals? Oh right, that was just Kobe. I think the 'Is Kobe the next Michael?' talk should finally be put to rest now.
  • roffelmeh, on 06/19/2008, -15/+9Give Kobe Pippen and Rodman , or as a matter a fact; give Kobe a team like Jordan had and then compare him.
    • Scagli3tti, on 06/19/2008, -0/+6Yeah, I was still a kid, but I remember the Sports Illustrated headline that went something like "Are the Bulls So Good They're Bad for the NBA?" Notice the use of "Bulls," not "Jordan."

      While the Bulls were obviously nowhere near who they were with MJ, no one can argue he would have had the success he had without his supporting cast.
    • piratearggghhh, on 06/19/2008, -2/+18They did give him a team like that - Shaq, Karl Malone, GP, remember? The difference is Kobe pissed everyone off and destroyed the team instead of making everyone better.
      • pasher1221, on 06/19/2008, -0/+7Thanks for saying that. Saved me the key strokes!
      • fdsarawr, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. ALL of those players wanted to be number one. Pippen, Rodman, and Kerr all knew their roles and knew Jordan's role.
    • Chutch, on 06/19/2008, -1/+9Kobe had a team that was better Jordan... People forget just how dominant Shaq and Kobe were, and how annoyingly great that whole lakers team was... But Kobe drove away Shaq, who was able to win a Championship with a godaweful Miami Heat team. MJ brought players to Chicago, Kobe drives them out of LA...
    • philliplowe, on 06/19/2008, -1/+10Kobe was given one of the most dominant centers in SHAQ, and look where that went. You think Kobe's leadership skills could keep Rodman and Pippen playing as a team?

      Jordan > Kobe anyday. And anyone who disagrees is too young to have watched Michael Jordan play.
  • Rocketbird, on 06/19/2008, -1/+15So over the course of 10 years, the guys had a few moments where they did the same things, or made the same moves. There are only so many moves you can make in basketball, and considering that there's about 800 games to draw from (per player), I don't think this video really proves anything.

    That said, Kobe's pretty ***** good. He's not as epic as Michael was, and that's what the difference is.
  • jonmac, on 06/19/2008, -2/+15I'm sorry, but to me, the there is such a difference between the quality of play between these two men and even the eras of the league that they represent.

    MJ ftw. No contest.
  • gabe37, on 06/19/2008, -3/+9Mike FTW.
  • ProjectGSX, on 06/19/2008, -3/+16Kobe isnt the next Jordan, he's the next Scottie Pippen. Cause Kobe isnt winning a championship without Shaq.
    • starphish, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3I agree that he isn't the next Jordan. He has the skills, but is missing some of the nuance that Michael Jordan had that made him greater. However, we don't know if Jordan would have won without Pippen either. All 6 championship teams Jordan was on were also with Pippen on the team. I believe that he still would have been just as great, but we'll never really know for sure.

      I would also argue that Kobe isn't even the next Scottie Pippen. I think Pippen was much better. When Jordan left the league for those few seasons, Pippen took it up a notch. He lead the Bulls in assists, and the entire league in steals. In 1994 he he earned the All-Star Game MVP, three straight All-NBA First Team nods and finished third in the MVP voting.

      Then Jordan came back.

      It's my opinion that if Jordan never existed, Pippen would have have had an entire career like he did During the Jordan hiatus, and with the extra time alone, along with being younger, he may have even been better than he was during the hiatus. All just speculation though.
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1I completely disagree with you. Jordan made Pippen. If you remember Pippen's first year in the league, he couldn't shoot a jumper. Jordan pushed him during practice to be the great offensive and defensive player he was. There have been many players that were great because another teammate "switched them on", so to speak.
    • l0wbyt3, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Oh damn.
  • Wargalas, on 06/19/2008, -8/+3Who's got more rings? That's all that counts.
    • Krodis, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Robert Horry does
      • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -2/+2Bill Russell does.
        • RobotLeAwesome, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Mandarin does.
        • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Well played.

          To be fair though, Mandarin never had to drag Wilt up and down the court for 48 minutes.
    • Namakemono, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2Who's only 29 years old? Oh yeah, Kobe.
      • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2Who's still considered an insufferable douche by his coach and teammates? Oh yeah, Kobe.
  • jsaic, on 06/19/2008, -10/+2kobe is indeed the greatest since MJ. is anyone else here old enough to remember how the piston's made the bulls their bitch for jordan's entire career until 91. remember thejordan rules? well the celtics put in the kobe rules. and the league is lame andput in a stupid zone defense. anyone who scores 81 points is good enough.
  • scottperezfox, on 06/19/2008, -3/+48No one ever says "I want to be like Kobe"
  • StabmasterArson, on 06/19/2008, -9/+4The video makes no sense with that song.
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    • mlbwebdesign, on 06/19/2008, -2/+32There has never been a more appropriate time for ascii art.
    • baylat, on 06/19/2008, -3/+24♫ I believe I can fly ♫
    • Gotar, on 06/19/2008, -1/+12If I could have dugg that twice I would have. Completely awesome.
    • iggy2012, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6Epic ascii
    • InSectWar, on 06/19/2008, -0/+9That was cool to come across scrolling down with my mousewheel :) +1
    • the3dolla, on 06/19/2008, -9/+1Wait.... is this MJ or Kobe?
  • chaos7, on 06/19/2008, -4/+21i think jordan blows away kobe
  • bigtimslim, on 06/19/2008, -10/+13Jordan never jumped over a moving car or kiddie pool of snakes.
    • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -4/+44Kobe never saved the Looney Tunes from certain doom.
    • pasher1221, on 06/19/2008, -1/+9Neither did Kobe
    • dollar0dot02, on 06/19/2008, -4/+2Kobe never played professional baseball.
    • diggerphelps, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1So he's got THAT goin' for him.
  • Jenadae, on 06/19/2008, -2/+15Basketball is a 5 vs 5 sport which MJ understands and used well everyday he played, When Kobe starts to understand that you can compare.
    • TitanX13, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1hence them being compared now. kobe was a great leader this season
      • Temo1, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2Helllll no. You see Kobe on the court? He constantly berates his team, and they hate him for it. Watch the game sometime.
        • salwud64, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2MJ was an absolute perfectionist and would get in the faces of his teammates if they were not performing to his expectations.
        • DeQuinceysDiet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Yeah that's a weird thing to bring up in an MJ vs Kobe comparison. MJ was CONSTANTLY screaming at Kukoc, Longley, Grant - you know, the dumb players.

          And ripping 'em in the vicinity of reporters too.

          Here's MJ going off on Stacey King: "You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward."

          There are dozens of MJ rants like these floating around.
        • TitanX13, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1you should watch the game temo1? you probably don't even know all the rules of basketball.
  • batista86, on 06/19/2008, -8/+7Kobe can perform on a level with Jordan stat wise on a nightly basis. But come playoff time, Jordan raised the bar several notches. Kobe just keeps performing at the same pace, which these finals prove, is not always enough.
    Only Dwayne Wade has had a NBA FINALS performance that was worthy of a Jordan-comparison.
    • bigtimslim, on 06/19/2008, -1/+9I was with you until you brought wade into the same conversation.
    • kiantech, on 06/19/2008, -4/+2are you retarded he didnt get past the first round this year.
    • wesleyzero, on 06/19/2008, -1/+9He's not saying Wade is closer to being Jordan-esque than Kobe is. He's saying that Finals-wise, no one has had a Jordan-like dominance in a series like Wade did against the Mavs. That's a valid argument.
      • ClemsonPoker, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Yeah, obviously it would take several like that (like what MJ did) to be comparable.
    • Temo1, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2Wade got foul calls galore that series against the Mavs. It doesn't compare to Jordan.
    • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1So you read the espn article, huh? While I don't necessarily agree, some would say that the record 90+ times Wade went to the line was due to suspect officiating.
    • DeQuinceysDiet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Even stat-wise Kobe can't touch MJ. Kobe's stats are eye-popping, but he never averaged 35/8/8 for a season.

      MJ's numbers are better in PPG, FG%, RPG year after year...not to mention in more stat geeky stuff like PER and eFG...not to mention team Ws (none of those Shaq/Kobe squads came close to 72-10)
    • DeQuinceysDiet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Even stat-wise Kobe doesn't match up to MJ. Kobe's stats are eye-popping, but he never averaged anything like 35/8/8, or scored 3000 pts in a season.

      MJ has him beat in PPG, FG%, RPG year after year. Not to mention in more stat-geeky things like PER and eFG.

      And of course team wins...the Shaq/Kobe show never came close to 72-10.



  • vanguardanon, on 06/19/2008, -4/+26MJ could rape Kobe.
    • Jenadae, on 06/19/2008, -2/+32I think Kobe has more experience in that field
  • defaultdigger, on 06/19/2008, -3/+7Dugg for dre (no eminem)
  • TripleAStacked, on 06/19/2008, -4/+19Please, i don't ever want to hear a Kobe vs Jordan comparison. Blowing a 24 point lead in an NBA finals? Almost setting the greatest margin defeat in an NBA finals(Game 6, lost by 39. Record was 42.)?

    www.kb24overrated.com.

    Lets move on now.
    • cli006, on 06/19/2008, -8/+3Kobe had a bench full of rookies and they played the 08 Celtics. This Celtics team would have given Jordan a run for his money.

      Did you also forget about the all-star cast Michael Jordan had around him?
      • blackinthmiddle, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1Wait, and the Celtics were a team of vets? How many times did Kevin Garnett play in a finals? Or Paul Pierce? Or Ray Allen? What Kendrick Perkins has experience I don't know about? Or Rajon Rondo? Let's make it easy. Other than Sam Cassell and Posey, the Celtics had no championship experience. The Lakers main man won three rings as did Fisher.

        Also, Jordan had one all star in Pip *and* he was also going up against hall of famers! Finally, if the Bad Boy Pistons couldn't stop Jordan (by actually physically trying to beat on him), nothing the Celtics would have done this year would have phased him.
    • TripleAStacked, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3Hm..
      Fisher = Veteran PG ( Highly Skilled)
      Odom = An All-Star player
      Gasol = All Star player
      Kobe = All Star Player.

      ....
      Boston
      Allen = All Star
      Pierce = All Star
      Garnett = All Star
      Rest of the team = *****.

      I don't know what you are talking about....What rookie? Rondo is a second year PG if you are forgetting.
      • cli006, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2"Kobe had a BENCH full of rookies"

        House, Posey, and company came off the bench laying down 3s. What did Vujacic, Farmar, Walton, etc. do off the bench besides Vujacic's 20 pt game? Nothing.

        Actually read what I wrote next time.
        • DeQuinceysDiet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1None of those guys are rookies. They suck, but jeesus Walton's been in the league like 8 years.
  • NightOwl4, on 06/19/2008, -7/+37I CANT STAND PEOPLE COMPARING KOBE BRYANT TO MICHAEL JORDAN....ITS RIDICULOUS! THERE WILL NEVER, EVER BE ANOTHER MICHAEL!
    • loveforkarma, on 06/19/2008, -5/+1Dwight Howard.
      • jaimierossboss, on 06/19/2008, -1/+0Chris Bosh.
        Better than Howard, a Youtube legend AND the leading candidate for Space Jam 2 (After rejecting the leading role in Kazaam 2).
  • malonie, on 06/19/2008, -8/+33So where do they differ?
    Mike = charismatic
    Kobe = Jackass
    • cli006, on 06/19/2008, -5/+4Kobe is one of the most charismatic players in the NBA right now.

      Why do you think he's the head figure in just about every NBA commercial? Have you forgotten all his viral commercials? Have you seen any of the press conferences?
      • Gotar, on 06/19/2008, -3/+4Well, he has a big head and is a jackass.
        • cli006, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2How's Kobe a jackass Mr. I-don't-have-an-argument?

      • Machters, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3he had all those viral add because he was named the MVP, therefore he got popular for that short period of time..
        Then only other time he was charismatic was with Shak but when he chased him out he lost everything becoming a Complete JACKASS......(that also raped a girl)
        • cli006, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2Please, Kobe Bryant is arguably the single best player in this competitive era of basketball.

          Kobe Bryant doesn't need to rape women. Women go to Kobe Bryant. Have you forgotten what his wife looks like?

          Oh yeah.. wasn't a certain Michael Jordan responsible for adultery too?
    • Cassanova, on 06/19/2008, -1/+7I dunno why people give Kobe such a hard time. Jordan was extremely cocky and overly competitive and if you hear stories about him from other teammates and opponents and whatnot he sounds like an ass..but who cares..we watch them play for what they do on the court and not to be best friends with them.
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