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boston.com — Norton thought he was set when he deposited a $16,000 student-loan check to pay for summer classes and the fall semester. But when he started to pay bills for classes, rent, and other expenses last week, his checks bounced.
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- AlwaysAwake, on 04/20/2008, -84/+192The rich like the idea of having the riff-raff out of the way, instead of cluttering up classrooms. Higher gas prices keep them off the roads too. Higher food and merchandise prices make for quicker checkouts at the cashier, without all the common folks getting in the way. More expendable cannon fodder for the military too since not being able to go to school, they can join up to defend the properties and farflung interests of the rich and powerful.
- allowners, on 04/20/2008, -8/+78A former colleague contacted me recently saying his son has finished his current term in the Air Force and feels like he is in a quandary because the job market is so bad he doesn't like his prospects, yet, if he re-ups, he would face the prospect of possible deployment to Iraq.
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/20/2008, -29/+37Here's a thought. His son should get a civilian job. There are jobs out there. Sure, it might not be an ideal job and sure he may have to work two jobs but that's reality. Yes it sucks but I've done it and millions of other people are doing it right now. I'm not saying the military isn't a respectable job either. I've done that too. Either decision should be based on an individual choice. Somehow blaming the economy, the government or someone else is a lame liberal cop-out.
- Hobofuzz, on 04/20/2008, -15/+42Yeah, but some of us want to actually enjoy life.
- TinternAbbot, on 04/21/2008, -11/+32EVERYONE OF US wants to enjoy life. That doesn't excuse us from working for our keep.
- MikeSD34, on 04/21/2008, -5/+30Unless you've inherited a bucket of money, you're going to have to work, that's just the way life works. It's never been easy, and it's never going to be easy.
- Fafnir43, on 04/21/2008, -1/+12Having to work does not preclude enjoying life if you can get a job doing something you enjoy.
- lazyrussian, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7Which is rare, btu I agree, one must work hard to enjoy life.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -5/+44Under what conditions would you _start_ blaming our "leadership" ?
---> When you have to work three jobs?- wafflez, on 04/21/2008, -28/+8You only HAVE to work 3 jobs if you did horribly in school. Stop blaming others.
- pintomp3, on 04/21/2008, -3/+44"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —President George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism- ...
talk about out of touch. - magic6435, on 04/21/2008, -0/+10@wafflez
I dropped out of school to do media and design and im doing fantastic so what does school have to do with it. - sliksta, on 04/21/2008, -0/+9@waflez
You are an ass. Many things can cause financial hardships for a person despite how well they did in school. Think job layoff followed by medical bills. - LeeSoong, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6Blame the Universities for conning and scamming children.
'' Oh, sure you can be an Art major and pay $60,000 in tuition - just sign here. ''
Many Universities have the Ethics of the Nigerian Prince E-mail spammer:
"To get a great paying job - you need an education from Us.
We promise you the full opportunity to possibly acquire a very high paying job.
Just give us your bank account number and full access to all the funds you can get your hands on for 4 or more years.
After that, we are done with you, I mean - you can live the rich life of the well to do. Do not worry about our tuition costs going up 500 percent in 10 years. That is not your concern. Focus on making your payments and having a great time at school. "
Suckers born every minute. A local university built up a huge apartment for new students - Elite apartments that cost more than regular dorms.
The school pulls in more than $ 8 Million each year from the new buildings.
The apartments paid for themselves and the rest is pure profit - for an organization that does not pay any taxes!
It's a great scam - it even seems to actually produce some educated people to work better jobs for local corporations.
Billions of dollars funneled into higher education every year - what is the ROI?
Lower cost State Schools and Community College and old fashioned OJT produce more positive results than money wasting expensive private schools. - AZSanMan, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Exactly LeeSoong; colleges will have to lower their rates if less students can afford and are willing to afford the costs of going to college. The costs for a college education should be ruled by supply/demand economics and not artificially inflated due to easily obtained loans in the first place.
- GeneralFault, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1AzSanMan,
Then only the rich would be able to get an extended education. As a result, you would KILL the middle class. No, bad idea. Student loans are still a necessary evil (coming from a guy that pays $500/mo for the last 10 years and about 15 years to go for a 4 year education).
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -2/+17I'll actually blame the leadership of those responsible, and it ain't just the white house or on the hill either.
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -4/+23Life's great when every bill comes with a paycheck stapled to it, right?
And if millions of people have to work two jobs something's wrong.- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -14/+6Why exactly? I think you're mistaken when you start equating creature comforts with necessities... That's aside from your gross over-characterization of reality.
- Fafnir43, on 04/21/2008, -2/+15Somehow, I suspect if you're working two jobs you won't have that much /time/ for creature comforts. Unless you consider things like healthy food and electricity creature comforts.
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -1/+38Hey *****, our parents worked ONE job and owned a home that nobody ever foreclosed on. They had almost no credit card debt and gas was 75c a gallon. For most of the people in our generation, getting three paychecks from the same company over two years is like winning the ***** Super Bowl. So what's your problem? You need a map?
- sassip, on 04/21/2008, -1/+9Hey "Mr. White" (a bit pretentious don't you think?) I second cubicledrone's comment. And who is it exactly that you blame, care to elucidate?
- bjornski, on 04/21/2008, -1/+11@cubicledrone
Dugg up for a good point.
/also for *****. - MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -3/+9That's my point. Our generation feels that they can maintain the standard of living our parents introduced us to. Gasoline is more expensive, the dollar is tanking, life will be hard. Just because you feel entitled to have an easy life and not have to work two jobs doesn't mean it will happen. The rest of the globe is catching up to us and therefore if we want to maintain an extravagent lifestyle we will have to pay more.
- LeeSoong, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5Cubicledrone is right.
Europeans and people in other countries have double the vacation time that American workers have.
United Slaves of America - working twice as hard for half as much.
But the USA is still producing the most Millionaires on the planet Earth - so something is still working correctly.
- JointVenture, on 04/21/2008, -14/+10Wow, I know hundreds if not thousands of people that I have met over the years that work hard at one job and lead a complete and satisfying life.
You losers need to stop blaming other people, succumbing to your fears and get off your ass.
The Air force guy who "supposedly" re-upped because he was AFRAID to look for a job is a pussy. What did he do refueling?
He's a pussy because he didnt have the courage to face the unknown JOB MARKET.
A fear we all must face.- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -8/+8Bingo.
- brufleth, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2I agree with you up to the "liberal cop out" part. I would consider myself a liberal and I agree that many people bitching about the job market are just not willing to compromise or have stupid expectations all around. I'm pretty sure it is usually conservatives bitching about immigrants taking their jobs.
There are more jobs out there than people to fill them in many areas. So maybe the job market is slim in rural North Dakota. Here's a thought, go somewhere else. You can easily get seasonal work at resort locations year round since Congress has let the work visa program expire. That's high paying low skill work which can earn you a pile of cash for school or whatever pretty fast.
Sure it sucks if you lose a job after you've got a family to support and all that. ***** happens though. If you didn't prepare then doubly *****. Gotta get out there and do what you can though.
I've got friends with PhDs and friends who dropped out of high school all doing pretty damn well for themselves. If you can't compete then better yourself or settle for what you get.
- Hobofuzz, on 04/20/2008, -15/+42Yeah, but some of us want to actually enjoy life.
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/20/2008, -29/+37Here's a thought. His son should get a civilian job. There are jobs out there. Sure, it might not be an ideal job and sure he may have to work two jobs but that's reality. Yes it sucks but I've done it and millions of other people are doing it right now. I'm not saying the military isn't a respectable job either. I've done that too. Either decision should be based on an individual choice. Somehow blaming the economy, the government or someone else is a lame liberal cop-out.
- whatthefu, on 04/20/2008, -9/+67That's pretty cynical. It's far more complicated than you think. However, it's still *****.
- RGSPro, on 04/20/2008, -2/+5um i think that was sarcastic.
- ThetaDot, on 04/20/2008, -21/+50You really think this is all by design? Please.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -8/+23What is so "conspiratorial" about people with wealth and power wanting _more_ wealth and power?
- TinternAbbot, on 04/21/2008, -10/+11Wealth doesn't necessarily come at the expense of wealth for others. Read a book on economics and change your web browser's homepage away from Alternet.
- buckrogers1965, on 04/21/2008, -6/+8Everyone cannot be rich. Resources are limited. Wealth comes at the the expense of others.
- popfrogs, on 04/21/2008, -4/+1Right on Buckrogers. The pillars of America are built on the backs of the laborers. I just wish they'd quit raping us with fuel prices (NYMEX and ***** speculators, I'm looking down the barrel at you) so we could, you know, save money or pay off debt or buy a house or...
- TinternAbbot, on 04/21/2008, -3/+2Buckrogers -> Only because you define wealth relatively and not absolutely.
- starkruzr, on 04/21/2008, -3/+5This "zero sum" ***** derives from a fundamental misunderstanding of what wealth actually IS. It assumes that no value is ever created by the economy.
- LeeSoong, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Wealth: Saving and Earning more than you are spending and consuming.
Do you want to be wealthy - well, healthy and rich?
Earn More, Spend Less.
There - you now have been told the secret of millionaires.
Don't waste time complaining if that time could be better spent starting your own business or finding a better job, learning some new skill sets, or making the right connections with people.
- bobbarkerbilly, on 04/21/2008, -2/+5It all comes down to resources. There's only so much to go around. Energy, whether it's food or electricity, is limited by the planet we're on.. for now. Solar and wind power help, but we still have a long way to go.
- LeeSoong, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5There is no energy crisis: Earth gets more energy from the sun every day - than the whole human population could use in 1 year.
Paying for energy pumped out of the dirt is just stupid, 1800's backwards thinking.
Go solar & wind and live 'off grid'. Collect your own rain water, grow some of your own food, buy a compressed air powered car, and leave the dirty CO2 fuels in the dirt.
http://www.homepower.com/home/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_vehicl ...
- LeeSoong, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5There is no energy crisis: Earth gets more energy from the sun every day - than the whole human population could use in 1 year.
- TinternAbbot, on 04/21/2008, -10/+11Wealth doesn't necessarily come at the expense of wealth for others. Read a book on economics and change your web browser's homepage away from Alternet.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/20/2008, -0/+7Convenience, perhaps. Many regular folks who do not consider the choices they make unconsciously contribute to the generally apathetic attitude towards solving these problems, leaving us with a fairly pro-state voting public.
- bobbarkerbilly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1If by "design" you mean human nature, then yes is my answer.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -8/+23What is so "conspiratorial" about people with wealth and power wanting _more_ wealth and power?
- raeshao, on 04/20/2008, -2/+52Dugg up as a cool setting for a dystopian thriller.
- inverselogic, on 04/21/2008, -4/+1I am Legend 2...this time...its personal..
- subterfuge, on 04/20/2008, -25/+67yeah, you know what? lets just get rid of all the rich people. we don't need business leaders. we'll just let the working man run the factory. they tried that in russia, and it worked really well.
- StaticThunder, on 04/20/2008, -17/+58Couldn't do any worse than the assholes that drive their companies in the ground and walk away with $50 million dollar severance packages.Keep defending the greedy, I'm sure they'll return the favor to you. Do you really think a business degree and an ability to rob people makes you a "business leader". Seems like thats all it takes nowaday, and enablers like you keep pushing this idea that its okay.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -18/+12No, he wants to like their boots and hopefully they'll let him marry one of their daughters...oh, whooops - he just gets to clean the toilet and a free turkey during the holidays. Sycophant.
- popfrogs, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I like their boots too, they're usually quite shiny.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -18/+12No, he wants to like their boots and hopefully they'll let him marry one of their daughters...oh, whooops - he just gets to clean the toilet and a free turkey during the holidays. Sycophant.
- danske, on 04/21/2008, -0/+13you need to take a class in white collar crime.
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -5/+6What the ***** is a "business leader?"
- Fafnir43, on 04/21/2008, -4/+15Someone who "leads" a "business" into the ground, then moves onto another business with a hefty severence package. I've heard rumours of other types, but they're unsubstantiated.
- jgtg32a, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Hey they do that at Fry's electronics, they try to promote from with in as much as possible
- graycat, on 04/21/2008, -3/+4That is not went on in Russia, you stupid *****. They never had true communism.
- jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3One despot's slave is another despot's "working man".
But you think despots are fairy tale characters. Gotcha.
- StaticThunder, on 04/20/2008, -17/+58Couldn't do any worse than the assholes that drive their companies in the ground and walk away with $50 million dollar severance packages.Keep defending the greedy, I'm sure they'll return the favor to you. Do you really think a business degree and an ability to rob people makes you a "business leader". Seems like thats all it takes nowaday, and enablers like you keep pushing this idea that its okay.
- hillbillyboy07, on 04/20/2008, -18/+13I feel really bad for u if u think that this is how the world works. Cheer up.
- TinternAbbot, on 04/21/2008, -7/+11What is this "The Rich" you speak of?
- Picaroon, on 04/21/2008, -21/+30Yeah... you're retarded. Learn some economics and grow up instead of blaming a massive rich person conspiracy.
I'm sure that Shell and Exxon are raising prices because the CEO doesn't want to deal with people on the road.- Airloss, on 07/18/2008, -4/+6Wait, so who is related to Obama? Clinton? Bush? Mccain? Celebrities, Royal blood, Owners of drug corporations, Alcohol manufactures, Porn magazines.. All of these people have ties to each other from family relationships or business partners.
But that is just all luck I guess.- toppgun, on 04/21/2008, -10/+6big whoop. I'm family friends with former member of the Reagan admin David Stockman and am personal friends with his youngest daughter, and the former CEO of coca cola. There is no freakin conspiracy. We all just happen to live in the same town so we all know each other from social events in the town. I know his daughter from school.
//Greenwich, CT
//registered independent- aukxsona, on 04/21/2008, -4/+2Don't try. They will blame you for not hanging out with the poor folks.
- jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I met Tiny Tim (tip-toe thru the tulips) once, outside a Furr's Cafeteria in Midland, Texas. Can I be in your club?
- starbar, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1careful, they can hear your thoughts too...better get the foil out.
- toppgun, on 04/21/2008, -10/+6big whoop. I'm family friends with former member of the Reagan admin David Stockman and am personal friends with his youngest daughter, and the former CEO of coca cola. There is no freakin conspiracy. We all just happen to live in the same town so we all know each other from social events in the town. I know his daughter from school.
- Airloss, on 07/18/2008, -4/+6Wait, so who is related to Obama? Clinton? Bush? Mccain? Celebrities, Royal blood, Owners of drug corporations, Alcohol manufactures, Porn magazines.. All of these people have ties to each other from family relationships or business partners.
- Lionhart, on 04/21/2008, -6/+8Paranoia and cynicism run rampant.
- superfuxxorr, on 04/21/2008, -17/+8wealth envy much?
- JaronDiggGuy, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1Buried for your name. Seriously?
- superfuxxorr, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1JaronDiggGuy was already taken.
- JaronDiggGuy, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1Buried for your name. Seriously?
- mastic, on 04/21/2008, -10/+3Damn straight...less poor people on the roads is only a good thing
- dockb0y, on 04/21/2008, -7/+4I hear when you're always awake, you misspeak. Perhaps you remember sniper fire, yes?
- uziko, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3i don't think that's how it works
- stray, on 04/21/2008, -7/+2I had no idea Leon Trotsky was a Digg member!
- RomeyRome, on 04/21/2008, -3/+2Heh. That's exactly how I think. Keep the little folk out of my way while I make real money.
- starkruzr, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1On behalf of the rest of the world, ***** you.
- RomeyRome, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2STFU. I'll buy 8 of you.
- starkruzr, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1On behalf of the rest of the world, ***** you.
- kdoyle55, on 04/21/2008, -9/+11that's the dumbest ***** i have ever heard....how did this get 41 diggs......this site is retarded
- popfrogs, on 04/21/2008, -4/+2So was your comment, looks like you're in the right place.
- cheappop, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2What a great retort. Fantastic. I have been intellectually stimulated by your reply. So witty and original. You have made my day. Thank you sir.
- popfrogs, on 04/21/2008, -4/+2So was your comment, looks like you're in the right place.
- bmystry, on 04/21/2008, -1/+9Hahaha this made me laugh cause I actually want that to happen... im going to get dugg down now.
- diggingaround, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4A little bit to harsh and unpolished comment ... but after watching ROME (HBO's serial)... you find out that the story line is the same ...just played by different actors today.
- allowners, on 04/20/2008, -8/+78A former colleague contacted me recently saying his son has finished his current term in the Air Force and feels like he is in a quandary because the job market is so bad he doesn't like his prospects, yet, if he re-ups, he would face the prospect of possible deployment to Iraq.
- allowners, on 04/20/2008, -16/+163Clearly there are no long-term plans for the average citizen in this country. What kind of country doesn't lay the groundwork for improving its future prospects by providing quality education for its citizens? And now they want to triple H1B quotas because there are no "qualified American applicants."
http://programmersguild.blogspot.com/2007/11/congr ...- zephyr42, on 04/20/2008, -8/+40It's all about eliminating the middle class :-(
- sovereign3, on 04/21/2008, -8/+6You guys sound like Lou Dobbs.
- Twee, on 04/21/2008, -8/+2My dad watches that guy. He talks about this and crap like illegal immigration which I don't care about.
- CiXeL, on 04/21/2008, -3/+6come to miami and see the end result of uncontrolled immigration - bodies showing up in canals, heinous murders and rapes on a daily basis.
- magic6435, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4@CiXeL
"bodies showing up in canals, heinous murders and rapes on a daily basis."
Humm thats sounds like the work of violent criminals........... what how does immigration play into it. - senatorpjt, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1If people are undocumented, they can show up dead in a canal and there's no record of who they are, I suppose.
- CiXeL, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2magic6435, in many latin american countries corruption is a way of life and the only way to survive. now add to this the fact that castro released their prisoners and let them float to miami to get rid of them. there are guys walking around miami with cuban prison tattoos.
there are more quack doctors and government funding-paid fradulent everything than anywhere else in the country.
- muckemuck, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5well.. he's the "outraged" mouthpiece.. if you really want to hear the sober facts then sit back and watch this http://youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A a Harvard law prof explaining why the middle class is doomed.
- Twee, on 04/21/2008, -8/+2My dad watches that guy. He talks about this and crap like illegal immigration which I don't care about.
- sovereign3, on 04/21/2008, -8/+6You guys sound like Lou Dobbs.
- DigitAl56K, on 04/20/2008, -16/+11And you would rather what? They don't hire skilled foreign workers and American businesses fail, or they ship more jobs over seas?
H1B workers make up a *minute* fraction of the workforce and they pay the US Government taxes on everything they earn, just like an American does.
Stop using the tiny amount of H1B workers as the figurehead for your problems. Your economy is tanking, the subprime crisis is not the fault of H1B workers, your president spends billions of dollars he doesn't have, and YOU do nothing about it but whine.
Who's to blame?- zephyr42, on 04/21/2008, -2/+11actually studies show american grads with professional technical degrees for the most part are more skilled than those they get from H1B's.
- DigitAl56K, on 04/21/2008, -5/+4For every study that shows one outcome, there are others that show the opposite. Regardless, what percentage of the workforce is made up by H1B visas?
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7Here's one study: wages have been stagnant for 35 years. Bitch all you want. It's the truth. Now let's talk about housing costs that have gone up 260% in the last three years.
- jgtg32a, on 04/21/2008, -3/+3Oh right, I forgot about that people apply, who weren't educated here.
Funny thing is my girlfriend is from HK, and she needs a H1B visa to work here naturally, and she is smart and motivated. I don't understand why the government wouldn't be all over her trying to make sure she stays in the US, she's been educated here and is damn good. - brufleth, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1@cubicledrone
Most big US companies are owned by the people in the US via public trading. They've allowed CEOs to give themselves retarded slaries while the lower level workers get cost of living at best.
- DigitAl56K, on 04/21/2008, -14/+8That's right, folks, digg me down because the truth is unpopular. Stick your heads in the sand and look for someone to blame. Enjoy your economic stimulus checks that will cost $168 BILLION dollars the government doesn't have. You've learned nothing from the subprime crisis. Nothing.
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -2/+11You're the one sitting here arguing with 3 comments attributing them to the opinions of the entire country. Apparently you've learned nothing from the internet.
- sonofblacula, on 04/21/2008, -7/+4Dugg up cuz no one else is going to, and you're very right. WTB working financial system, $600
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6We lived up to our end of the bargain. We got educations and experience. Where are the good jobs we were promised?
- Fafnir43, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I agree that right now America's in deep ***** economically, but - what can I say? - I tend to obey people who ask me to digg them down.
- allowners, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2Our goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified US job applicant:
http://digg.com/world_news/Fake_Job_Ads_defraud_Am ...
- Farmer77, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6And how much of that money is sent back to the H1B's native homeland instead of being spent here in the States and going back into the Economy? Or is that a minute fraction too?
- DigitAl56K, on 04/21/2008, -4/+6Considering H1B workers have to pay for the same things as everyone else - rent, clothing, food, transportation, medical insurance, a decent life - most, if not all of your money is spent here.
So take the small fraction of the workforce that is H1B, then the small fraction of their income that can potentially be sent to another country, and you can easily see that H1B workers are really the least of your problems, but hey, when the economy or the job market isn't doing so well everyone loves to hate them, irrationally so.
- DigitAl56K, on 04/21/2008, -4/+6Considering H1B workers have to pay for the same things as everyone else - rent, clothing, food, transportation, medical insurance, a decent life - most, if not all of your money is spent here.
- *jooloop*, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2The president?
- cubicledrone, on 04/21/2008, -2/+3They should hire their neighbors. There are plenty of skilled U.S. workers. The rat ***** just don't want to pay for real skills. They want everything for free because they don't have the huevos to face running a business responsibly.
- allowners, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3Our goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified US job applicant:
http://digg.com/world_news/Fake_Job_Ads_defraud_Am ...
- zephyr42, on 04/21/2008, -2/+11actually studies show american grads with professional technical degrees for the most part are more skilled than those they get from H1B's.
- Protonz, on 04/21/2008, -0/+12They took our jobs!
- Twee, on 04/21/2008, -9/+2Dugg for the south park reference.
- slightlygifted, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7dey took yer job!
- frieddonuts, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2DERKADERR
- Sophistifunk, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Dey tooker jeer!
- JointVenture, on 04/21/2008, -8/+8I wish one of you morons could come up with an argument about how the EVIL CORPORATIONS profit from our Universities not turning out Engineers and Scientists.
Do you know how much more it cost to import talent? visas, relocation, the RISK that the person will not fulfill the contract , the list is so long its not debatable.- allowners, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6Yeah, that's the ticket moron:
Our goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified American applicant
http://digg.com/world_news/Fake_Job_Ads_defraud_Am ...
- allowners, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6Yeah, that's the ticket moron:
- merreborn, on 04/21/2008, -1/+16I worked for a guy who had the "there are no "qualified American applicants"" problem. Of course, the reason he couldn't find qualified domestic applicants was he was offering well under half the median salary for programmers.
- JointVenture, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4QUALIFIED, skiilled applicants from other countries are much more expensive than domestic.
Get a clue, its simple economics. Its even worse now with countries like Hong Kong and Singapore competing for these individuals. They can pretty much write their own ticket.
- JointVenture, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4QUALIFIED, skiilled applicants from other countries are much more expensive than domestic.
- GoneFishing, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4"Money not spent for education, will be money spent for jail."
- Anonymous - diggingaround, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2"Clearly there are no long-term plans for the average citizen in this country"... sure there is one... make you and your kids dumb as much as possible.
- Reaper2806, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1This isn't in the least bit racist, but do you have any idea how many people there are from South East Asia there are in our UK Universities? People from India, Pakistan etc, studying law and medicine. These are places that know the value of hard work and a good education, and they're reaping the benefits. The governments and the families focus on education as a way of improving their situation on and as a whole. Where as the US has fallen unbelievably far behind in education, squandering wealth and money because compared to 10 people living in a single room being common in a lot of areas of South East Asia, well the average american has it very good, and relaxed, but now it's come back to bite them.
- senatorpjt, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I'd rather have people coming here with H1B's than having the entire job move to where they are. At least with a H1B the infrastructure for the job stays here, so if another job is created, it'll be here as well - in which case there's at least some chance they might have to hire one of us. Besides, when you're paying a H1B worker, even if they'll work cheaper, they're still going to be constrained by the US cost of living. Eventually, if Americans become willing to accept that standard of living they'll be offered the jobs as well. However, American workers can't compete with overseas workers, period, because their cost of living is so much less. It costs more to survive as a homeless person in the US than it does to have a house in some of these places.
- brufleth, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2There it is! The amazingly stupid scapegoat of the H1B program.
You know what most of those H1B people are? They're just another type of migrant worker. They come for a season or two and work in a resort town and then leave when the season ends. Think Florida, Cape Cod, Virginia Beach, etc. These areas RELY on those H1B workers because the local populous doesn't have enough workers and US citizens aren't willing to relocate for the season.
Think those people won't hire a US citizen? Think again. I spent my summers, starting at 15 and on through college, working my ass off every summer on Cape Cod. I've sold sunglasses, watches, landscaped, served food, done construction, etc. There's more work than people to do it. My boss when I was landscaping would have hired 10 times more people than he did if he could find the workers and I was making VERY good money with more hours than I could want (60+).
People like you are full of it. Maybe the job market sucks in your area and you're unwilling to do something about changing your situation. Times change. Our economy isn't the same as it was 100 years ago and no amount of bitching is going to change that.
The guy I worked for when I was landscaping barely finished high school. He was too busy working even then to put much time towards school. He has a very successful business now. He works harder than I want to but my point is that complaining that a tiny number of H1B workers (mostly taking jobs that US citizens won't fill) is somehow causing a problem for you is stupid.
- zephyr42, on 04/20/2008, -8/+40It's all about eliminating the middle class :-(
- allowners, on 04/20/2008, -15/+106Be careful, those federal rebate checks may also bounce. If you have a yard, plant some edibles for hard times, so while your neighbors might have to eat herbicide laced grass, you can eat fruit from your trees and veggies from the garden. And remember, dandelions are both edible and very nutritious, think twice before murdering them for vanity. ;-)
- faizal5k, on 04/20/2008, -1/+17man, dandelions are really good. They're kind of bitter at first, but then you get used to them. It's just like spinach....but bitter :)
- secrity, on 04/20/2008, -5/+74You an also eat fruit from your neighbor's trees and veggies from their garden.
- pendrachken, on 04/21/2008, -1/+44You can also eat your nasty stealing neighbors o.O
- Edrick, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4It's going to be the "starving time" all over again. : /
- herkimer65, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3You can also get shot trying.
- pendrachken, on 04/21/2008, -1/+44You can also eat your nasty stealing neighbors o.O
- StaticThunder, on 04/20/2008, -7/+31Better just to buy guns instead of an immobile garden, then you can just take what you need and move on, not have to worry about defending it from the people eating herbicide laced grass.
- Rizmaster, on 04/21/2008, -2/+30No, best is having lots of guns and the immobile garden. For shooting bastards dumb enough to think they can get mine.
- StaticThunder, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2There are more of them then you have bullets for any arbitrary number of bullets. I hope you're two days walk from the nearest population center.
- Rizmaster, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Ah, but every time I shoot a bandit, I get his guns and ammo and supplies.
- StaticThunder, on 04/22/2008, -0/+2I think you might be confusing reality for a video game. Most people won't have guns -- they'll be starving, poorly equipped, carrying at most a blunt instrument. Yeah, you'll pick off the first couple hundred before you run out of ammo, and then what, you're going to use all the 'boards with nail' they left behind?
- Rizmaster, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1Starving people die off. People with food survive. It's a matter of outliving them. If you live in a rural area and keep active track of your land it's unlikely you'll keep running into people for years. Really after the first couple of months there won't be that many random people roaming around.
The only danger are gangs, at that point, but still. If you're off the beaten path you'll probably be okay.
- StaticThunder, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2There are more of them then you have bullets for any arbitrary number of bullets. I hope you're two days walk from the nearest population center.
- Rizmaster, on 04/21/2008, -2/+30No, best is having lots of guns and the immobile garden. For shooting bastards dumb enough to think they can get mine.
- bingobongony, on 04/20/2008, -17/+4Everything about your life is lacking.
- cvindustries, on 04/21/2008, -3/+8Why are you on our internet, hippie? (I kid, I kid).
Give off my virtual lawn!- Intamin, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Give! Give!
- Twee, on 04/21/2008, -9/+3Victory gardens? It's 2008, not WWII.
- sp3kter, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8actually its WWIII. get with the program
- MrESaulved, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6And how so little has changed for the better, you don't remember food rations, do you. Of course not.
- inverselogic, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Wow, somebody took 8th grade american history!
- feliks2, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3For about a month every summer I already eat black currant berries from my back yard for breakfast. Makes my stomach hurt if I eat too much, but still good *****.
- fyngyrz, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8...eating figs will also result in a good *****.
- stfucupcake, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1... dried prunes will do the trick as well.
- WauloK, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2I eated the purple berries.
They taste like burning...
- fyngyrz, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8...eating figs will also result in a good *****.
- soulkitchen, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5Mmmmmmm....Pine Cones
- StingingNettle, on 04/20/2008, -3/+48Well, on the plus side, schools may have be forced to start actually lowering the cost of tuition. But then you would still have to have money saved up, and well us Americans haven't been doing that.
- Rossoneri22, on 04/20/2008, -1/+28Not UC's. Just last week I got an email saying tuition rates will be increasing next quarter, just like they did last quarter...and the quarter before that...oh and the quarter before that...
- Twee, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I don't really have a problem with tuition going up, but that's probably because I go to a CSU (Cal Poly Pomona) at a wonderful rate of $3500/year, so it's fairly cheap.
- mortey, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Yeah but the problem with the CSU system right now (I go to one) is that while the tuition is going up, we aren't seeing the expected benefits, i.e smaller class sizes, more classes, and are in instead seeing cutbacks in all departments.
- Twee, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I don't really have a problem with tuition going up, but that's probably because I go to a CSU (Cal Poly Pomona) at a wonderful rate of $3500/year, so it's fairly cheap.
- Hobofuzz, on 04/20/2008, -9/+3Schools have been raising tuition so they can continue to pay for the students. They can't just lower the costs like that.
- nullx42, on 04/21/2008, -0/+12Money management. If community colleges can do it, why cant big ones like IUPUI do it. IUPUI just built a new campus center for students that has escalators leading to each floor. Mother ***** escalators AND elevators. It looks like a ***** mall. That is unnecessary spending being taken out on the students.
http://www.iupui.edu/~sldweb/campus-center/inside/- goldfishey, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2whats wrong with stairs? walking is good for us.
- nullx42, on 04/21/2008, -0/+12Money management. If community colleges can do it, why cant big ones like IUPUI do it. IUPUI just built a new campus center for students that has escalators leading to each floor. Mother ***** escalators AND elevators. It looks like a ***** mall. That is unnecessary spending being taken out on the students.
- Hangly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5No I don't have any money saved up, but I have been accumulating a lot of debt for just such a crisis.
- saigumi, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2But, if they lower tuition, how will colleges afford football and basketball coaches with millions of dollar contracts?
- Rossoneri22, on 04/20/2008, -1/+28Not UC's. Just last week I got an email saying tuition rates will be increasing next quarter, just like they did last quarter...and the quarter before that...oh and the quarter before that...
- StingingNettle, on 04/20/2008, -3/+53"The chief of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, Eric S. Rosengren, said in an interview that no one expected the turmoil in the credit markets to last this long." That's an out right lie. Maybe no body he knew, but economists at the Daily Reckoning predicted the fall out years ago, and stated when it did happened it could last years.
- CamperBob, on 04/20/2008, -14/+21"Maybe no body he knew, but economists at the Daily Reckoning predicted the fall out years ago, and stated when it did happened it could last years."
So did my parents' neighbor with the tinfoil-lined windows, 35 stray dogs, and unusually-large gun collection. The question is, whom to believe, and when?
No matter how crazy things get, somebody, somewhere will have predicted it 5 years ago.- sonofblacula, on 04/21/2008, -4/+10Dugg down for logic.
- Hangly, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1All conspiracies turn out to be true in the long run.
- jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2I present you with the irrelevant comment of the day award.
- jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I predict that in 2008, 110,000 or so Americans will be killed by taking a prescribed drug at the prescribed dose at the prescribed time.
- sonofblacula, on 04/21/2008, -5/+6I predict that at some point in the next 50 years, someone will blow something in America up. A building, maybe. Or a plane. I'm not sure. But I predicted that, and when it happens you're all my witnesses!
- jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1I predict that 110,000 or so Americans will be killed from taking a prescribed drug at the prescribed dose and at the prescribed time this year.
- CamperBob, on 04/20/2008, -14/+21"Maybe no body he knew, but economists at the Daily Reckoning predicted the fall out years ago, and stated when it did happened it could last years."
- theorwells, on 04/20/2008, -12/+143Remember that before Reagan became Governor of California that the UC system actually provided TUITION-FREE college for qualified applicants. There are still many countries that place such a high-value upon having an educated populace that tuition is either FREE or heavily subsidized by the Government. If the US would stop engaging in WASTEFUL tax expenditures for Military Adventures that provide Corpoate Welfare for Contractors such as Haliburton---you'd have plenty of tax revenues available for at least a Government-funded dent in tuition costs (and let's not even get into health care!) Anybody remember all that money that the collapse of the Soviet Union would free up for social expenditures instead of supporting the military-industrial complex? It was called the PEACE DIVIDEND! And though we have been suckered back into that financial abyss...one day, soon, after the war in Iraq and the forthcoming war in Iran has thoroughly wrecked the US economy and driven even the war-profiteers into tears, one day, I hope, the American people will awaken as a whole and the powers that be will respond by significantly putting the tax-dollars into Higher Education for WE THE PEOPLE, as opposed to pouring funds into endless, needless, and futile Wars.
- subterfuge, on 04/20/2008, -7/+8last time i checked, the university of california is an excellent school. so whatever they're doing right now must be pretty good.
- erkokite, on 04/21/2008, -0/+13It wasn't the school that was the problem. It was the government. I'm fairly certain that the UC's have always been very good, regardless of whether or not they waive tuition for qualified students.
- mehan, on 04/21/2008, -13/+12Soviet Union had free tuition (and healthcare). This wouldn't work very well in America, it being so "communist" and "socialist" and all.
- KibibyteBrain, on 04/21/2008, -6/+1Well, the United States has basically had free tuition through absurdly lucrative and easy to obtain student loans. Basically, as long as you are a student for whom getting a degree is worth it in your current standing, you could have gotten the money to do it in America. And interest deferred loans are pretty much socialist to an extent as you are talking about probably actually paying back less real money than you borrowed in the long run. But the problem is right now we need long term students more than ever in science and technology. Not even grad students or Ph.D.s. More like Post-grads. In Europe they can do this easily but if undergrads are being denied money now in america it looks grim. Something tells me this is not just the war at work but also visas. Visas bringing talent from other countries means that corporations have to do less to support advanced education in America. Think about it it adds up. Sure, we need some foreign talent but these numbers aren't adding up anymore.
- Intamin, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3You are aware that "loan" is not "grant," right?
You have to give it back. Which means you paid for it to begin with, so it isn't "free." It's actually more expensive. - senatorpjt, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1Graduate students in science usually get paid for going to school anyway. It's not great, I make something like $22K/year, but we're essentially doing work for (and being paid by) corporations.
- Intamin, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3You are aware that "loan" is not "grant," right?
- buckrogers1965, on 04/21/2008, -1/+13It worked really well until they bankrupted their country losing wars in the middle east. Hey... That kind of sounds familiar.
- KibibyteBrain, on 04/21/2008, -6/+1Well, the United States has basically had free tuition through absurdly lucrative and easy to obtain student loans. Basically, as long as you are a student for whom getting a degree is worth it in your current standing, you could have gotten the money to do it in America. And interest deferred loans are pretty much socialist to an extent as you are talking about probably actually paying back less real money than you borrowed in the long run. But the problem is right now we need long term students more than ever in science and technology. Not even grad students or Ph.D.s. More like Post-grads. In Europe they can do this easily but if undergrads are being denied money now in america it looks grim. Something tells me this is not just the war at work but also visas. Visas bringing talent from other countries means that corporations have to do less to support advanced education in America. Think about it it adds up. Sure, we need some foreign talent but these numbers aren't adding up anymore.
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -13/+2So *gasp* jobs that don't actually require a bachelor's to do won't hire only those with degrees? Fantastic. I wasn't aware that higher education is a right. You can give an ignorant man a degree and he'll still be ignorant. Let's stop subsidizing the psychology majors.
- jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1Let's stop subsidizing Israel.
- JointVenture, on 04/21/2008, -11/+2You welfare ***** are just a bunch of pussy's that want everything for free, you don't want to be accountable for loans, and you don't want to be responsible for your own lives. Oh look at me I had to get a job to go to college..booo hooo hooo.
My girlfriend in college took a full load, graduated on time, and worked as a waitress 4 nights a week, and sometimes more.
She went on to Clemson, and paid for that too.
Oh yeah, she wasn't a philosophy major, she was a genetic engineer...pseudokinids or some ***** like that. She studied her ass off, it didn't come easy for her.
So guess what, quit bitching, if she could do it anyone can.- nycmac247, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4If you keep this up you'll be such a toxic ***** when you're old that you'll be guaranteed (!) to die alone.
Please think about it. - jaymzdean, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2She told you she was working as a waitress? LOL
- nycmac247, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4If you keep this up you'll be such a toxic ***** when you're old that you'll be guaranteed (!) to die alone.
- keviniskool, on 04/21/2008, -4/+11Caps on RANDOM words makes YOUR point more VALID.
- Intamin, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1I'll grant you that sarcasm and agree, but he emphasized accurate words, digg just needs the ability to type in italics.
- scamper22, on 04/21/2008, -2/+6you're talking about qualified candidates.
Now who decides who is qualified?
In many countries you are separated into Academic / Trade schools at a very young age (some as young as grade 6).
Do that and it makes sense to pay for advanced tuitiion. Yet, when every dimwit thinks they should get a university degree, you can't afford it.- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7you hit the nail on the head. Shame we're told from the moment we're born we can all be astronauts and millionaires.
- ebcreasoner, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Lies my parents told me!
- JointVenture, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2Id totally forgotten about that. I went to school in England grades 4 through 6, it was much more intense than the schools back in the states, came back way ahead.
That being said I had forgotten how just as I was leaving we were getting ready for these tests that would basically determine your future. Don't remember much about it, just that I wasn't as freaked out as my mates because I knew I was leaving.
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7you hit the nail on the head. Shame we're told from the moment we're born we can all be astronauts and millionaires.
- calon9, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4I went to university in Canada, paid $1k/semester in tuition and got a BSc. I eventually came to the US on an H1B and got a great job and eventually permanent residency.
I don't understood why some people argue that the higher education costs in the US ensure top quality, and yet education in most other western countries are accepted by US firms and universities as equivalent to US education.
If I wanted to get my MSc in the US, my $2k/year Canadian BSc would have been a sufficient equivalent prerequisite. I [honestly] don't fully understand why tuition is so expensive in the US if it doesn't produce a proportionately more educated graduate?- scamper22, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2education in the US is not really that much more expensive.
Tuition at University of Texas (Austin) is only $5000 / semester. About the same as the University of Waterloo in Canada.
You can get very affordable tuition in the USA. Yet, there are also very expensive and so called 'prestigious' universities that will cost you an arm and a leg.
It's really a myth that education in the US costs an arm and a leg. It only costs so much if you choose it to.- sat0shi, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3$10,000 a year for a college education is ridiculous.
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Really? explain?
- senatorpjt, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Well, if you do science, you can go to a cheap public school for undergrad. My undergrad school was something like $6K/year. Then, get paid to do your grad work somewhere fancy (undergrad tuition/fees at my grad school are 45K/year).
- sat0shi, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3$10,000 a year for a college education is ridiculous.
- scamper22, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2education in the US is not really that much more expensive.
- Elchonon, on 04/21/2008, -6/+3BLAH BLAH BLAH..
The constitution CLEARLY and many times lays out how government may tax for war.. I see no where in my constitution anything about taxing for education...
WE THE PEOPLE! Yessir, quit taxing my ass as I work my butt off.. oh no i'm not rich.. neither are my parents.. in fact my dad is a pharmacist and never has money.. because of welfare to who know where..
I heard the halburtron line enough times to puke.. See richard minter's "disinformation" where he dispells this myth.
However, we have been funding crack mothers for many many years.. and the result ?- scamper22, on 04/21/2008, -1/+0i agree. Now go get a lawyer and challenge the constitution in the United States.
- rottencod, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1Of course, the Constitution was written prior to the Industrial Revolution (not to mention the Information Revolution we're in right now). Luckily, it is sufficiently elastic to allow for broader social programs than were necessary, possible, or even conceivable in 1787. We just need people like you to quit bitching about taxes (which are already among the lowest in the developed world anyway) and making ignorant demands about your "right" to reap all the benefits from your society without owing that society anything in return.
- imjustsayin, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3That's why the Constitution has a prescribed way to modify it. Don't like what is/isn't included? Change it. Don't just walk around saying, "If they knew about X, they would have Y." If you can't get enough support to change it, it doesn't belong in the Constitution.
- warriorscot, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1A poor pharmacist, wow the US must be ***** up all the pharmacists I've met have been pretty well off it being a professional position and in medical terms second only to a doctor at least for medical non surgical issues. Or do you mean he was a pharmacists assistant, but maybe the US is just screwed and qualified pharmacists aren't in high demand.
- scamper22, on 04/21/2008, -1/+0i agree. Now go get a lawyer and challenge the constitution in the United States.
- tastypaste, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2The countries that provide free tuition also have far fewer graduates than America does. Students don't appreciate a free education and very few of them finish college. They treat it as something to kill time for a couple of years. They don't bother studying because it's not their money, so they flunk out. In America, you pay for your own college and you don't waste your time and money. You get in and get out as fast and as cheap as possible and then move on to a career.
- warriorscot, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2Show me some numbers, in countries where you don't immediately have to pay for university you work your arse off to get the grades to get in, its getting to the point if you want a good career the degree is mandatory so you don't just drop out. Maybe in community colleges that happens allot but not in universities, there are allot of reasons you drop out not because you were wasting time milking the system.
I should also point out most of the free tuition systems are just government pay later systems they tax you for it after.
- warriorscot, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2Show me some numbers, in countries where you don't immediately have to pay for university you work your arse off to get the grades to get in, its getting to the point if you want a good career the degree is mandatory so you don't just drop out. Maybe in community colleges that happens allot but not in universities, there are allot of reasons you drop out not because you were wasting time milking the system.
- subterfuge, on 04/20/2008, -7/+8last time i checked, the university of california is an excellent school. so whatever they're doing right now must be pretty good.
- strafefire, on 04/20/2008, -31/+81Peter Schiff, The Daily Reckoning, the Mises Institute, and even Ron Paul called this turmoil years ago.
I know that I am going to get buried to hell for this, but those that did not vote for Ron Paul deserve every little bit of this.
I know that it is very mean spirited to say this, but oh well. What is done, is done.
Hopefully, those who are in Congress will learn from this and stop creating deficit budgets, and inquiry more into what the hell Federal Reserve did to put us in this mess. But odds are, they won't...- onetimer, on 04/20/2008, -20/+24Dude... Ron paul (PBUH) plugs are SO 2007...
By your logic, those that DID vote for Ron Paul deserve a country where there are no Anti-trust/Corporate regulation laws...- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -3/+12How about a repeal of incorporation itself?
- sliksta, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8Truly. Business entities having the legal rights of a person is one of the crookedest frauds ever perpetrated in this country.
- sliksta, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8Truly. Business entities having the legal rights of a person is one of the crookedest frauds ever perpetrated in this country.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/20/2008, -5/+5Rights do not exist to protect popular activities. Subsequently, it is not consistent that the majority pave the foundation of their desires over the aspirations of the minorities of society. What is it that is so essential in seeking solutions from government that people would rather cede their authority and hopes upon one man or woman, than to proclaim their desire for independence and build a life on their own terms??
That said, I don't think people who didn't vote for Ron Paul deserve any less liberty, unless they willfully take it from others.- onetimer, on 04/21/2008, -12/+2Popular activity? Is that what your pet name for collusion, and other unethical activities are? The anti-trust laws fit within the impetus of the federal government to protect the welfare of this country. The people wanted those laws, so they got them.
Funny, you raise up the point that the majority shouldn't try and pave their desires over aspirations of minority in society. Yet ron paul (PBUH) wants to send the decision of abortion back to the states, when in fact states should have ZERO RIGHT to tell people what they can do with their own bodies (individual liberties). THAT sounds inconsistent to me... - MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -3/+5From a non-rhetoric angle (agree on the abortion thing) the main thing Paul would have been was a big red pen.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5I think Paul is wrong on abortion. He argues his position on abortion is libertarian, but it's not accurate. People, having ownership of their bodies, must have the opportunity to determine whether or not to carry a child to term. He may be correct in arguing that you cannot with purpose 'murder' the fetus, but you clearly have the prerogative to remove it from your body.
The rest of your argument appears to be projecting my positions as if they were Ron Paul's positions or concluding that I support anti-liberty positions.
Anti-Trust, however, is something to be considered in greater depth, as creating regulatory organizations to debate over the behavior of corporations is superfluous to the issue at hand: Corporate mercantilism is a problem outright, and we shouldn't be endorsing irresponsibility through fictional entities. What you're revealing is that people want to rely on government to fix a problem they created. - fantasyflamz, on 04/21/2008, -2/+5I agree with abortion I just have a problem when people try to justify it with the whole "it is her body and she has a right to do whatever she wants". I mean, technically, a child is not 'her body' because there is a difference in DNA there. The child does not have the same DNA as the mother, therefore, the child is not part of the mother's body. I disagree with that reasoning.
I also disagree that women can just have abortions even when the man wants the child to live and wants to raise it himself. I mean, as a woman I understand that pregnancy is hard, but it isn't just her child and it definitely isn't "her body."- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4You make a well thought out argument.
Assuming we recognize the predominant convention that birth parents are the default guardians to a child, it is reasonable to suggest the father have say in the raising of the child. However I believe it is essential to establish clear contractual agreements, rather than simply making assumptions, as some societies may respect the man's wishes in the relationship or some may not.
Assuming no contracts are in place, it's the choice of the individual carrying the.. parasite, whether to remove it or not. That still doesn't mean they can outright kill the child/fetus. Pro-Life individuals, or husbands in general should have an opportunity to negotiate for the life of the child, or promote technological advancement making it feasible to grow the fetus without the mother.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4You make a well thought out argument.
- onetimer, on 04/21/2008, -12/+2Popular activity? Is that what your pet name for collusion, and other unethical activities are? The anti-trust laws fit within the impetus of the federal government to protect the welfare of this country. The people wanted those laws, so they got them.
- kaluzak, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4As counter-intuitive as it might sound, and as well-intentioned the government might have been, it is no secret that Anti-Trust laws have acted in the opposite ways as expected, to the detriment of the consumer. Examples abound, but regulatory commissions set up to govern Trucks/Trains, Steel, etc. Even the anti-trust lawsuit as recent as Microsoft was a joke as it defined the "market" as all "PCs with a modem running on an Intel chip." In nearly every case, anti-trust laws have been called upon to "help" the consumer, when in fact, the consumer was already getting the better deal (free browsers in the MS case, lower steel prices, etc). A free market will correct itself, the market insures that. Paying millions of dollars employing government services to control entities that the population itself controls is superfluous.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -3/+12How about a repeal of incorporation itself?
- BigW, on 04/20/2008, -3/+7Republican primary for my state isn't even until June. Can't blame me that McCain is the nominee.
- sonofblacula, on 04/21/2008, -12/+7Dugg down for juggling Ron Paul's balls? Are you serious? I
'm surprised you haven't broken +100 yet...- pcgeek101, on 04/21/2008, -5/+5Best comment of 2008 award.
- superkendall, on 04/21/2008, -8/+3Ron Paul may well have called this years ago, but how would voting for him help now when the problem is obvious to all?
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -4/+4Because despite many seeing the problem, certain organizations think the solution is to throw money at the problem... In other words, if you can solve a problem by having more money, then it's not a problem.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3Seeing that I'm being dugg down, perhaps people don't understand my point.
If you don't have enough money, your problem isn't money, but the means to obtain said money. And if you have a huge pile of money and that still doesn't solve your problems (Like Government), then growing the government and taxing more money is not going to solve it. The problem is bad ideas. Think, damn it!
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3Seeing that I'm being dugg down, perhaps people don't understand my point.
- ssn697, on 04/21/2008, -4/+8I predicted this well over a year ago. Elect me President...
- Herkimer56, on 04/21/2008, -4/+6You've got my vote.
- ssn697, on 04/21/2008, -3/+4Hell, I predicted the housing bubble bursting back in 1999, when I sold my house in the Bay Area. Now, 9 years later, I am a geeeniiiusss!!!!
Vote me all-powerful leader. Let's get me some delegates!
- ssn697, on 04/21/2008, -3/+4Hell, I predicted the housing bubble bursting back in 1999, when I sold my house in the Bay Area. Now, 9 years later, I am a geeeniiiusss!!!!
- Hangly, on 04/21/2008, -4/+4What's your name, I'll write you in.
- Herkimer56, on 04/21/2008, -4/+6You've got my vote.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -4/+4Because despite many seeing the problem, certain organizations think the solution is to throw money at the problem... In other words, if you can solve a problem by having more money, then it's not a problem.
- scamper22, on 04/21/2008, -4/+4you live in fantasy land my friend. People will not 'get what they deserve'
What the government will do is do what keeps the majority of people afloat. That means printing money and devaluing your savings.
So expect everyone to be bailed out, which will only hurt responsible people. So why be responsible? exactly. - ssn697, on 04/21/2008, -13/+7So that 18 year old kid deserves to not be able to go to college because Ron Paul won't be President next year? How exactly does your ***** make sense? I can see why you are a Ron Paul supporter. Common sense isn't on your agenda...
Oh, and predicting the end of the world for three decades isn't genius.- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4Exactly...Ron Paul would be for removing federal money to pay and individual's college tuition.
- OneLess, on 04/21/2008, -5/+1Do you honestly think a pro-Ron Paul comment is going to get massively dugg down? You joined Digg a year ago- show some common sense.
- onetimer, on 04/20/2008, -20/+24Dude... Ron paul (PBUH) plugs are SO 2007...
- moolaismyfriend, on 04/20/2008, -15/+49No Child Left Behind baby
I don't understand why every kid should not be given a low interest rate loan to go and educate himself?
Are the Republicans afraid that once people go to school and evolve out of the retard stage of their existence they will no longer vote for them any longer?- diggrnumber1, on 04/20/2008, -15/+8yes. the republicans are not getting the credit they deserve. there are 2 types of republicans: the stupid ones (Bush) and the evil genius types (Cheney). the evil genius types are the ones that are really making the policies. they manipulate religion to subdue the populace into submission, just as the feudal lords did in the middle ages. they are afraid of an educated populace, lest they overthrow the government in a revolution. their primary interest is the stability of the current unfair system.
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7I fear more from someone who treats political parties like football teams...
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Our team is the best! Their team is destroying the country. Let's pass some laws. Let's vote for OUR ruler!!
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7I fear more from someone who treats political parties like football teams...
- loggia, on 04/20/2008, -5/+12Yes.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/20/2008, -7/+16We probably have more to fear from statists in general, Republican or Democrat, who think the solution is to grant free education at the expense of everyone and to the decline of a functioning economy. If people go to learn without applying the knowledge in order to produce and prosper, the education isn't worthwhile.
Some wise words:
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. "- erkokite, on 04/21/2008, -2/+7Will you still be saying this when you have to pay $200k just to go to college? Your words sound nice in concept, but seem to have little basis in reality. College tuition is exorbitant, yet many people need a college education to get a decent job. Think everyone has $200k to cough up? No.
However the government has a ton of money that they are spending on wars and pork barrel projects that could go towards educating people and thus benefiting them. A better educated workforce will advance our standing in the world and boost our economy.
This isn't a matter of people wanting handouts. It is a matter of people wanting relief. Don't go talking about the "statists." It is the PEOPLE who would like some relief in helping pay for college.- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -3/+6If everyone didn't go to college a degree would actually means omething and not every job would require one. There is no sense in subsidizing someone's bs in psychology during an economic depression. As the degrees dry up, so will the requirment for them. In the meantime, get a lower paying job and save. God forbid osmething isn't given to you immediately.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5I couldn't afford college a few years back. I certainly can't afford it now.
There are a few professions where college is currently essential, such as law, or medicine. Many other professions require technical or trade schooling... Some people, on the other hand, get out into the work force and move up into management by the time college students make their way through the 4 years.
"This isn't a matter of people wanting handouts. It is a matter of people wanting relief. Don't go talking about the "statists." It is the PEOPLE who would like some relief in helping pay for college."
Handouts would be a favorable form of relief for many, unfortunately. Things are unduly hard right now, and the problem boils down to artificially high prices and exorbitant taxation that leaves many asking the government to 'give back'. They should stop taking in the first place.
If there is no respect for the individual, then how can we have respect for a society of individuals? By supporting the state as the sole provider of solutions, you shortchange the people you claim want relief. I myself want relief, but I don't look to politicians to give it to me because it is not theirs to give.
- superkendall, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2How do you think lawyers go to college? They take on huge loans, that THEY pay back. Students have the option to help themselves without having to dip into government funds. There's always some need for pure grants for the truly needy, but someone from a well-off family who is getting a good education should realistically be able to deal even with a pretty large loan.
That said I feel like a lot of colleges are overpriced, and people looking to go to school should seriously consider a lot of places that do not have as big a name, but are more reasonable in cost.
- erkokite, on 04/21/2008, -2/+7Will you still be saying this when you have to pay $200k just to go to college? Your words sound nice in concept, but seem to have little basis in reality. College tuition is exorbitant, yet many people need a college education to get a decent job. Think everyone has $200k to cough up? No.
- mcsenget, on 04/21/2008, -4/+1i thought NCLB was a republican thing?
- DestroyFascism, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1So then America is at selfishness to complacency, 2 more steps to go.....
- olenick, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Student loans increase the supply of easy money and run up tuition. Schools won't allow their students to withdraw for lack of funds en masse. A legitimate school should be easily able to either lend the money for tuition directly, or ask the alumni to raise a fund to do so. "Culinary institutes" that charge $100K will hopefully just go out of business, leaving their students to take jobs learning their trade in the marketplace, at about the same rate they'd be paid with their cooking school certificate though without student loan payments to burden them. This is a good thing.
- diggrnumber1, on 04/20/2008, -15/+8yes. the republicans are not getting the credit they deserve. there are 2 types of republicans: the stupid ones (Bush) and the evil genius types (Cheney). the evil genius types are the ones that are really making the policies. they manipulate religion to subdue the populace into submission, just as the feudal lords did in the middle ages. they are afraid of an educated populace, lest they overthrow the government in a revolution. their primary interest is the stability of the current unfair system.
- Kaervek, on 04/20/2008, -23/+15When I received my discharge from the Navy, they wanted me to pay back all the housing allowance that they provided me. Too bad any money I'd give to them now isn't worth the paper it's printed on. We're going to hell in a hand-basket, and I couldn't be more pleased.
- TheLeeDynasty, on 04/20/2008, -6/+11O wow, I'll keep that in mind just in case the Army tries to pull the same ***** on me.
- kylere, on 04/20/2008, -2/+25Why were you discharged? I have never known an honorably discharged service member asked to repay housing allowance.
- sonofblacula, on 04/21/2008, -2/+8He didn't say honorably, did he?
- troye, on 04/21/2008, -2/+4Yeah, that's BS. There is no way I'm paying back my housing allowance. ***** that.
- tom6a, on 04/21/2008, -2/+6What's the rest of the story?
I've been in the military for 6 years and never heard of anyone paying back a housing allowance unless they shouldn't have received it in the first place (ie. government was providing housing or something). - mrjit, on 04/21/2008, -7/+4Why would it please you that we're going to "hell in a hand-basket?" Let me guess, you're bitter about (voluntarily) joining the Navy, you're bitter about being dishonorably discharged (probably drugs, harassment or insub, like most), so now you're all *wave fist* at the Gub'mnt ra-ra-ra I hope you fail and burn ----- while you still live here and you and your family and friends will feel the effect of it. That makes sense.
- joemc72, on 04/21/2008, -3/+7Hm. You likely defrauded the government out of your BAH, are/have been discharged for it (less than honorably), and now you're pissed about it and want to make us feel your pain.
Sorry, not happening. Enjoy flipping your burgers, hero.
- imacbook, on 04/20/2008, -16/+9In some areas of the United Kingdom, tuition is free!
- Fafnir43, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Namely, Scotland. Interestingly enough it was Scottish MPs who pushed the ***** tuition fees through Parliament in the first place a few years ago. Funny, that.
- TonyLocNE, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2In any college level economics class that you may take, you will quickly learn that the word "free" does not exist. Nothing is ever free, the money will always come from somewhere, most likely in this case, in the form of taxes.
- prcrash, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Would you pay a little more tax if you knew that when you're children needed an education, you wouldn't have to sell your soul away to give them that education?
- tibbon, on 04/20/2008, -1/+20Student loans will be the next thing to hit the fan. Unlike a home, car, or boat.. the banks have nothing to reposes in the short term. Bankruptcy doesn't clear most student loans but that doesn't mean that they can sucessfully collect on them immediately either. They were low margin loans to begin with and few are secured well. The market/economy goes down the hole, the cost of college is increasing and soon people will be unable to pay and the banks unable to get their money.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/20/2008, -7/+4Eventually higher education will not be able to justify the high salaries of their teachers with the loss of students... and maybe costs will go down, but in the mean time you can be sure that certain individuals in government will put on the pressure to create more "free" education.
- ajb312, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5High salaries of their teachers? How much money do you think a college professor makes? Let me tell you, it's not nearly as high as you think!
Most universities take roughly a 50% cut off of every grant that a professor brings in, so if a professor gets a 100k grant then the university takes 50k off the top. Thus, most professors in the sciences and engineering fields bring in far far more money than their salaries cost. What is your tuition money paying for? Good question.... I don't know, but those 500,000,000 buildings on campus might be part of it.- fantasyflamz, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I got angry this year when I saw what my school was doing with my tutition money: dig up all the plants in front of a building that was placed there the year before (the plants looked perfectly fine) and place completely different plants in there that looks worse than before.
Great, so my tuition is going towards unnecessary landscaping! - stfucupcake, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1Unis are highly profitable. They pick and choose what programs to fund and raise tuition annually.
Alabama's Nick Saban -- $4 million per year
Oklahoma's Bob Stoops - $3 million
Ohio State's Jim Tressel, Florida's Urban Meyer & South Carolina's Steve Spurrier -- $2 million annually.
Paterno -- $500,000.
etc., etc.
- fantasyflamz, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I got angry this year when I saw what my school was doing with my tutition money: dig up all the plants in front of a building that was placed there the year before (the plants looked perfectly fine) and place completely different plants in there that looks worse than before.
- ajb312, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5High salaries of their teachers? How much money do you think a college professor makes? Let me tell you, it's not nearly as high as you think!
- StaticThunder, on 04/20/2008, -2/+13They'll bring back debtors prison or indentured servitude... just wait. Enlisting college grads that default on their government issued student loans will help with stop-loss.
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -3/+8income tax is indentured servitude...
- sliksta, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5You got that right. But just wait for someone to pipe in saying "Hey nobody made you get a job".
- StaticThunder, on 04/21/2008, -2/+3Income tax is what you pay for being allowed to live in a country that doesn't have indentured servitude. Freedom isn't free and all that.
- sliksta, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5You got that right. But just wait for someone to pipe in saying "Hey nobody made you get a job".
- MrWhite7, on 04/21/2008, -3/+8income tax is indentured servitude...
- punkcat, on 04/20/2008, -1/+6student loans require a guarantor, likely the parents. if the student defaults its then them who are hit.
- sat0shi, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Not true. I got a student loan with no guarantor at all.
- tibbon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Right. Go after parents who have likely lost their homes in subprime mortgages. Or better yet, the home is the only thing they have and in many states Sallie Mae couldn't reposess that. This is exactly what we need right?
- RetlawST, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5Student loans also happen to be one of the most secure investments to make. I can't remember the figure but it was substantially higher for total repayment than other loans.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/20/2008, -7/+4Eventually higher education will not be able to justify the high salaries of their teachers with the loss of students... and maybe costs will go down, but in the mean time you can be sure that certain individuals in government will put on the pressure to create more "free" education.
- Zanarkand, on 04/20/2008, -5/+21hmmm, so if my student loan bank goes under do I stop sending checks???
- secrity, on 04/20/2008, -1/+20No, you just have to send it to someplace else.
- nycmac247, on 04/20/2008, -1/+16nope - the debt will be bought by someone else
- buckrogers1965, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5Ironically this debt will be bought for pennies on the dollar, but you won't be offered the same deal to just pay it off.
- inverselogic, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3double edged sword there , if you croak , debt is passed on. lovely aint it?
- Dukaso, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Unless the terms of the loan state that if you die then you are forgiven your debt so they can't hound your family.
- inverselogic, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2dugg ;)
- Dukaso, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Unless the terms of the loan state that if you die then you are forgiven your debt so they can't hound your family.
- CCmachined, on 04/20/2008, -27/+4you mean "Cheques"?
- zephyr42, on 04/20/2008, -2/+21No, in US news, we use US terminology.
- fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -7/+5In real English we use cheques that aren't made of rubber.
- *jooloop*, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3So they've never had a "cheque" bounce in England? Interesting...
- northernmunky, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1The rest of the English speaking world says 'cheque'. Using 'check' confuses the word with correction checking. Its dumb English.
American English: Can you check the check and then check the form to say you've checked it.
International English: Can you check the cheque and then tick the form to say you've checked it.
- fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -7/+5In real English we use cheques that aren't made of rubber.
- zephyr42, on 04/20/2008, -2/+21No, in US news, we use US terminology.
- chrisaug18, on 04/20/2008, -6/+13Universities are a business and until that changes they are not going to lower their prices. And as much they seem to be on your side, they just want your money.
- kdoyle55, on 04/21/2008, -0/+0true they are businesses.....less available capital=lower tuition or at least not as many increases in tuition past inflation
- mcnasby, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Correction - They are a *NON-PROFIT* business. While they do need money, the intention is to also be altruistic in nature (you know- reinvest the profits to keep improving the facilities and faculty in order to keep improving our nation's human capital). Problem is - those actions hold up about as well as a utopian theory. Besides tuition, universities participate in the injustice of facilitating that corporate ass-reaming known as mandated text books. I love how universities require certain text books, then enjoy watching bookstores like B&N rape college students' wallets, while standing back and saying they take no part in it.
- kdoyle55, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0I don't really care about the textbook issue...most all of my professors use open source, 2 years of school with under 500$ paid for books. AND colleges/universities aren't REALLY nonprofit...the profit is just renamed as an endowment.
- superdog87, on 04/20/2008, -3/+18This is not good... I sure hope this problem clears up some before I need a student loan.
- MicroBerto, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6My advice to you: Don't get a student loan. Don't put yourself in the position of 'needing' one. Stop owing anyone anything.
You can work a job, you can choose a state college, and you can take a semester off here and there to co-op at a full-time rate (assuming you kept your grades up).
- MicroBerto, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6My advice to you: Don't get a student loan. Don't put yourself in the position of 'needing' one. Stop owing anyone anything.
- PeppermintPig, on 04/20/2008, -3/+22FTA: "But the slowing economy has many parents in worse financial shape than in the recent past."
It can't be stressed enough: So many media outlets generalize the problem as a slowing economy and wait with baited breath for the Fed or gov officials to indicate the status of the economy, but the media should really get on the ball and call this for what it is: The Federal Reserve's humongous series of *****-up bailouts which are destroying the value of the USD.- Hangly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+5Finding out what's going on takes intelligence and skill in journalism. Our media has neither.
- AbhishekGoyal, on 04/20/2008, -10/+1Surprizing
- wildmXranat, on 04/20/2008, -1/+35This is a good time to review $20,000 - $45,000 tuition fees. WTF!!
Average fees north of the border: $5,000 .- stinger666, on 04/20/2008, -1/+11Even cheaper in Quebec
- ThunderIT, on 04/21/2008, -1/+11I only pay $1250/semester @ Mohawk College (Hamilton, Ontario, Canada), but I live off campus
- wildmXranat, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Yeah, that's the standard fee for Colleges as far as I know. Most Universities go for about $2,500 / half of academic term which is roughly equal to a 4 month semester.
I understand that education is a guarantee path of assurance if a person wants to contribute to society. Obviously, the bureaucrats don't want other people to succeed if the bar starts at $20,000.- bigbadgoat, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Memorial University of Newfoundland: $1250/4 month term.
Thats for 5 courses/term. Its even less if you do less courses.
- bigbadgoat, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Memorial University of Newfoundland: $1250/4 month term.
- wildmXranat, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Yeah, that's the standard fee for Colleges as far as I know. Most Universities go for about $2,500 / half of academic term which is roughly equal to a 4 month semester.
- Tyrghast, on 04/21/2008, -0/+8I live on campus and pay a little less than 5k at West Texas A&M for each semester, thats with every expense including books rolled into one.
- Nudar, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1That's because 99.9% of the population doesn't know that West Texas A&M even exists.
- erkokite, on 04/21/2008, -0/+7I think for many state schools in the US, it is still fairly cheap (although not as nice as in Canada) if you are a resident. However, many people do choose to go to private schools, which are mind bogglingly expensive. I actually don't know how they get away with charging so much. I don't know how people can afford it. When you end up paying close to 0.2 million USD for a couple years of schooling, and the rest of the world pays under $50k, something is seriously wrong.
- syriusblack, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3My wife's school is ......30k a year before books and meal plans etc. etc. Its an "expensive" private school. We dont care much because she got a full ride (1590 FTW). Why do they charge so much? Well her school dosent have TA Graduate students teaching undergrade..... Her professor is a PhD chemist. They all are. So I think that cost a little more. I remember when I went to Auburn University that almost all of my first 2 years where taught by grad students or worse (voluntary teachers)......
Its worth it IMO.....you reep what you sow....the good and the bad. Study hard and you shouldnt have a problem getting a good education. State "tech" school are good too. Look at UAH (University of Alabama huntsville. What do you think all of those nasa guys do in their retirement? Tech at UAH of course.
- syriusblack, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3My wife's school is ......30k a year before books and meal plans etc. etc. Its an "expensive" private school. We dont care much because she got a full ride (1590 FTW). Why do they charge so much? Well her school dosent have TA Graduate students teaching undergrade..... Her professor is a PhD chemist. They all are. So I think that cost a little more. I remember when I went to Auburn University that almost all of my first 2 years where taught by grad students or worse (voluntary teachers)......
- bigbadgoat, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3* for Canadian Students.
- talonstriker, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4I pay 4k per semester at University of Maryland. But I live off campus.
- kurejibitch, on 04/21/2008, -1/+6I'm an American student going to a Canadian University (UBC in Vancouver) this fall.
Tuition: Hovering around $30,000 (they're giving me a $5,000 scholarship though)
I love the school, but it pisses me off that the Canucks have to pay a SIXTH of my costs, even though that stands relative for Int'l Students in the US, too. ):- thesonofdarwin, on 04/21/2008, -2/+7It's the same in the USA for out-of-state students...
For example, Kansas Vet instate: $14,700/yr out-of-state: $34,750. Penn Vet Instate: $30,212/yr Out-of-State $35,902/yr.
Please, allow me to drop my pants and bend over. - Aroundtown27, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3It's more then fair that you have to pay more if you're not from Canada.
- kurejibitch, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Why? I have a bunch of relatives from Canadia, I live two hours outside the border. I can see paying double, even triple or four times as much, but SIX TIMES? It's already incredibly expensive for me as an "international" (US student, we're so different and soooo far away, amirite?), come on. SIX TIMES as much? Make me pay ten, fifteen, or twenty, fine. But thirty-thousand compared to five? It's not really "more then fair".
- mizzaxx, on 04/21/2008, -2/+2UBC's awesome
- thesonofdarwin, on 04/21/2008, -2/+7It's the same in the USA for out-of-state students...
- superkendall, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Not all schools are that expensive, the big name ones are the worst. Look around and you can find much better values at smaller schools, or expensive schools that offer good scholarships.
- DesdinovaEL, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1Private New England school, Berklee College of Music (world class school btw).....i went 2.5 years. I owe $80,000. Thats $750/month right out of college for 20 years.
- Chicken, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2I pay around $2k a semester at Brooklyn College and I live off campus.
- MihaiM, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1In Romania the average fee for any University is under 1000$.
- LordHelmet, on 04/20/2008, -1/+24Wow, a lot of people here have no idea whats really happened with the student loan industry. Congress has decided to limit the types of student benefits that banks that offer for private loans. In effect, they have made it unprofitable for banks to loan kids money that is not guaranteed by the federal government. Banks are folding their student loan departments because there is no way for them to make money by lending students money.
- h3smith, on 04/21/2008, -1/+12My private student loan interest rate begs to differ!
- Sidicas, on 04/21/2008, -1/+4I was able to get 4.5% after I started direct depositing my loan payments.. I thought that's about the same as inflation... So yea, student loans aren't profitable for banks, and even less so when there's rampant inflation..
- h3smith, on 04/21/2008, -1/+12My private student loan interest rate begs to differ!
- loggia, on 04/20/2008, -2/+57Once upon a time... as in about 20 years ago, lower income students received most of their financial aid in Pell Grants. Well, the Republicans (and some Democrats) had a swell idea. Why not just loan the money to students in need, and create a very lucrative private industry of lending students money. In fact, it would such a good deal, that if the student didn't repay the loan, the government would step in and pay it.
Twenty years later, numerous scandals tying financial aid officers to loan companies, and now lenders who can't even remain solvent when their loans are guaranteed?
What the hell happened? And what will happen to the students who used to get grants, then got loans and now are being told they and their family better have rock solid credit?
Did anyone forgot what student financial aid was supposed to be? It was never supposed to be an industry for profit...- Dukaso, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5The Pell grant is still around. It currently allows for $4,700 or so per year at its maximum. While that is a large around of money, it doesn't go too far towards the cost of education today. I'm going to be in debt for a long time.
- Derrekito, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3How can Bush stomach spending large amounts of money in Iraq? His stimulus package (for me) will go straight to the tank and tuition. With that said, I'm still going to have to get loans.
Education in the U.S. is a sham from day one. We should take notes from countries such as Germany and Japan.
- Derrekito, on 04/21/2008, -1/+3How can Bush stomach spending large amounts of money in Iraq? His stimulus package (for me) will go straight to the tank and tuition. With that said, I'm still going to have to get loans.
- jgzman, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3Health care isn't supposed to be for-profit either.
Nothing survives in America unless someone is getting rich doing it.- droplet, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I will second that sentiment...
A brief story (or fairy tale if you cast lots with the omgcommies spammers that may chime in after)
I am an american citizen living in a country that has socialized medical care for citizens. 3 days ago i had to take a trip to their version of the ER to get treatment for an abscess. From start to finish i waited a total of 2 hours, even though the place was pretty busy. A full exam (including establishing some medical history because they had none for me), direct exam of the problem causing the visit, a prescription for 1 week of antibiotics, 1 week of painkillers, and less than 90 minutes later i was back home..
ER total: 55usd (keep in mind this is at noncitizen or 'full' charge)
Pharmacy Bill: 26usd
Now don't go fooling yourself into thinking that has something to do with lower ability to pay for care here, the minimum wage is over 3x what you can expect in the US, even before the dollar tanked. Oh yea, i almost forgot.. the workweek is 35hours to qualify as 'fulltime', you get mandated 1 month of vacation paid, minimum. It is a right that you can take up to 8 months paid maternity and/or paternity leave, with up to 1yr unpaid optional, as long as you have been working 10 of the last 18months up to the birth(not positive on that last part, but approx) Tuition to higher education is covered by the gov't, encouraged even, ***** my wife can even get her government to pay her tuition if she decided to go to school IN THE US. And all medical care is nationalized, except for dental nonemergency procedures.
Yes, taxes are high, so are wages though, and in the end I have to say that it is a pretty fair tradeoff going on up here.. I truly get sick to my stomach thinking how far my own damn country has gone astray all for fearmongering antisocialism and keeping taxes as low as possible(or so we thought?) It is time that true Americans stand up and decide to stop treating other Americans like crap. I couldn't even walk into an ER back in NY without incurring $100+ charges before even getting charges for actually getting mecial services.. enough with the profiteering nonsense.
- droplet, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3I will second that sentiment...
- Dukaso, on 04/21/2008, -1/+5The Pell grant is still around. It currently allows for $4,700 or so per year at its maximum. While that is a large around of money, it doesn't go too far towards the cost of education today. I'm going to be in debt for a long time.
- Strongo, on 04/20/2008, -3/+35Com'on. Bush said anybody that is sick should just go to the emergency room. His advice for college students is going to be "Anybody that wants to learn should just to the library, they're free after all"
- loggia, on 04/20/2008, -2/+15Heh. Heh. What? You can get videos at the library for free? Heh, heh. Didn't know that. That's good. That's good. They even have Dr. Doolittle there, I hear. That's a funny movie. The animals. They talk to each other. Uh, we don't torture. Next question.
- nycmac247, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Dolittle?!?!?!
http://www.bushorchimp.com/
- nycmac247, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Dolittle?!?!?!
- talonstriker, on 04/21/2008, -1/+7I'd do it if they gave me a degree.
- MrESaulved, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1They do. Now go learn something (this is just one example out of many free online curriculae):
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/home/home/index.htm - Plewt, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4"OCW does not grant degrees or certificates."
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/web/about/about/index.ht ...
- MrESaulved, on 04/21/2008, -3/+1They do. Now go learn something (this is just one example out of many free online curriculae):
- dupswapdrop, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2also remember ketchup is a vegetable. So if your hungry you know where to go.
- loggia, on 04/20/2008, -2/+15Heh. Heh. What? You can get videos at the library for free? Heh, heh. Didn't know that. That's good. That's good. They even have Dr. Doolittle there, I hear. That's a funny movie. The animals. They talk to each other. Uh, we don't torture. Next question.
- Stochio, on 04/20/2008, -7/+6Lowering the market price of anything causes shortages -- capital for school loans included. Fewer basket weavers and more engineers might be a good thing. The removal of subsidized loans is low on "the list", of course. Higher on "the list" are ridiculous wars, corporate subsidies, protectionist tariffs, and bailouts for Wall Street.
- ligyron, on 04/20/2008, -11/+3Move your arm, I believe your shirt has misspelled "dumbass"
- jdepp, on 04/20/2008, -4/+14this is where the American system eats it's children. Start studying Chinese.
- Emnsta, on 04/21/2008, -0/+6its
- Hangly, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1学会了。然后呢？
- northernmunky, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1是啊，可是我學正體字
- DuffyDirect, on 04/20/2008, -6/+18My gov't tax return for $1.37 (don't ask) bounced the other weak. I had to cough up $10 because of it :sadpanda:
- redfox2600, on 04/20/2008, -0/+13If I was you i would forward the bill to the government and fine them for the hassle.
- fkr3, on 04/21/2008, -7/+5I can't believe you went to a bank and stood in line waiting to cash a $1.37 check....what'd that take $2 of gas + parking + 30 minutes of your day?
- rocke86, on 04/21/2008, -0/+14nothing if you go to the bank anyway.
- bxblox, on 04/21/2008, -0/+2Or you could walk to the bank, and put the check in the atm next time you withdraw funds...
- stfucupcake, on 04/21/2008, -0/+3dugg for :sadpanda:
- YodaJones, on 04/20/2008, -2/+21Those college dorms better make room because whole families may have to live in them soon.
- stinger666, on 04/20/2008, -13/+6My last semester cost me 120$. Gotta love socialism!
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/20/2008, -15/+13Instead of handouts shouldn't people work their way through college? There are plenty affordable colleges out there that the average citizen can attend. You may have to work full time and go to school part time but it's possible. Quit feeling sorry for yourselves and quit wishing that you were rich and earn it yourself. It will be much more rewarding if it isn't handed to you.
- greenlight2001, on 04/20/2008, -2/+22Try working your way through medical school. Good luck with that one.
- allenwrench, on 04/21/2008, -4/+5"Instead of handouts shouldn't people work their way through college?"
No.- stfucupcake, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1There's nothing wrong with having a part-time job during school for the extras but to live on it...that would be a lot tougher. Double that if a person was going back to school with a family to feed and had to work full time.
If our govt. can choose to spend billions on wars (such as the Iraq) it can surely fund a decent grant/student loan program for its own citizens.
- stfucupcake, on 04/21/2008, -1/+1There's nothing wrong with having a part-time job during school for the extras but to live on it...that would be a lot tougher. Double that if a person was going back to school with a family to feed and had to work full time.
- erkokite, on 04/21/2008, -2/+15If you tell me how I can make $40k a year without a degree while attending college and getting passing grades, I will be impressed.
If it was a state school, and an easy program, I would agree with you to some extent.
I am an engineering student. Last semester I spent 19 hours per week in classes alone (6 classes+1 lab IIRC). Homework tends to take 1-4 hours per assignment, with about 1 assignment per class per week. I payed about $40k for 1 year. It was tremendously stressful already, I would have to find another 50-60 hours per week for a year to pay it off. That comes out to about 100 hours of time spent working or studying. If you sleep for 8 hours per night and devote another 2 hours to eating, washing, etc... you would be left with 14 hours of daytime to work and study. 100 hours per week requires about 14.3 hours per day. So in essence, you would be working around the clock 7 days per week for the school year, and 14 hours per weekday during vacation.
I am fairly certain that this would drive any normal person to nervous breakdown/suicide in short order.- siekosunfire, on 04/21/2008, -0/+4Scho