Westboro Baptist planning protest Heath Ledger's funeral
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- willn91, on 01/23/2008, -16/+243thats really shady to protest funerals....
- ojk007, on 01/23/2008, -9/+240Shady?
ITs ***** sickening. Hijacking his death in such a way. No wonder no one has respect for the church any more.- mattatarms1507, on 01/23/2008, -11/+65There was respect for that church in the first place?
- damocle, on 01/23/2008, -13/+1my god
- markdr123, on 01/23/2008, -16/+14The church != the Westboro Baptist Church.
- ausfahrt, on 01/23/2008, -3/+13He did say "that church" ...
- Absinthminded64, on 01/23/2008, -3/+12The OP didn't.
- misterdrumz, on 01/24/2008, -0/+0I saw the programme on BBC by Louis Theroux, these people are sick. They protested funerals on that for soldiers that died in iraq, over the road from the mourners. luckily people driving past yelled abuse at them even throwing drinka cups from McDonalds at them. It hit one of their kids, who to be fair had no idea what they were doing and were just bodies to hold up signs as far as their parents were concerned.
The disturngin thing was that the parents didn't even care, or have some form of moment of clarity.
These people are scum and anyone who knows where they live should protest outside their homes at all hours. it isn't rleigion they preach it's hate-mongering
- chronichyjinx, on 01/23/2008, -7/+11Any more?
- exscind, on 01/23/2008, -4/+95The Westboro Clan is a full-on hate group that masquerades as a religious organization. Don't confuse those sick bastards with the real Church.
- mcgarry83, on 01/23/2008, -2/+34True that!...I love those guys on motorcycles that drown them out with there bikes. Its too bad we cant take it to a physical level, because I would love the chance to get to beat the ***** out of one of those WB pieces of *****!
- ChadUSofA, on 01/23/2008, -13/+4That would make you worse than them.
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/23/2008, -1/+5No it wouldn't. I hope some of them get shot at. That'll teach them to ***** with a funeral.
- viruz, on 01/23/2008, -31/+19The real church is no better. It incites fear and hate for those not of their religion. It condemns those to a hell that they don't even believe in. The church is still a hate filled organization that tries to prevent free thought and acceptance of people that are not believers of their one and only "god".
- Kauzman01, on 01/23/2008, -11/+18You are no better than they are when you try to force your beliefs onto others. You have a right to speak your mind, as they do, but to criticize someone's belief system (in this case Christianity) and try to offensively subject them to propoganda to change, is no better than the WBC.
- oldhick, on 01/23/2008, -3/+12Where do you get that from??? The Episcopal Church is openly ordaining homosexual pastors, the Presbyterian Church is pushing for the same, certain Methodist churches are urging for increased discussion... While there will always be some fire and brimstone preachers and churches, there numbers are minimal. Its simply that they are the most vocal.
- Veritate, on 01/23/2008, -1/+7Essentially, you're right, but most churches are more polite. The WBC are going beyond their message into the area of harassment. It's unfortunate that Mr. Ledger will likely have a funeral funded well enough to mitigate their effect, while many are too poor to afford comprehensive security and must suffer through it.
- airwalke, on 01/23/2008, -2/+9Way to generalize. Like oldhick said before, "churches" like Westboro are simply in a vocal minority. They give a bad name to real Christians everywhere.
- darkcooger, on 01/23/2008, -4/+6"The church" does not condemn anyone for anything. "The church," according to its own guiding documents and doctrines is incapable of condemning or saving anyone. Any group that condemns people is not a group that really represents "the church," regardless of what that group may call itself.
You probably already know what I'm saying, and I understand what you're saying too. As a Christian, I can assure you that I don't appreciate what so many "churches" do in the name of my faith. - Acolyte357, on 01/23/2008, -3/+2::cough:: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_Pope_Bene ... ::cough::
- cliffzdude, on 01/23/2008, -2/+13Westboro Church, is just a family. Literally, a family. Grandpa, kids, and grandkids. That's it. No other members. None. Nada. They are however very successful at getting the goat of those around them, successfully getting coverage for their beliefs by inflaming people on purpose.
To share your hatred for these people here on Digg is to further empower Westbro.- docbob84, on 01/23/2008, -0/+8They are also all or mostly lawyers, if I'm not mistaken. Please, if you get a chance, go counter-protest if it's appropriate (counter-protesting a funeral is NOT) and drown these bastards out, but don't do anything physical or verbally threatening. It would be a shame to put money in their pockets and give them more publicity by doing something you thought was good, only to be sued for it. Now that's not to say you can't pray/hope for some horrible tragedy to befall them, such as maybe something large and heavy falls on their protest or something of that nature. Just don't get yourself in trouble trying to get them to shut up.
- bulkhater, on 01/23/2008, -0/+17They make their living from lawsuits. The whole point of the protests is to get the police to try and shut down the protests (Sue the city for First Amendment violations) and get people to attack them physically (Civil lawsuits)
This isn't about God or religion, its about making a living by standing on a street corner shouting and then suing. - tekrat, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1The church actually has quite a following. Admittedly it usually the family plus a couple of other members that does the protests. If I remember correctly they were recently sued by somebody and Westboro lost the case. I think it was the way they protested a funeral (imagine that). Anyway the 'church' is in appeals and I believe the building is currently in lock up until the ligation is done. So they're doing home churches right now.
- jlmillstein, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2WBC came to picket a soldier's funeral right next to my campus and the Deans had to call an all school assembly to keep us from getting near them. This was a front page article on the 11 million dollar lawsuit against them:
http://digg.com/politics/Westboro_Church_of_God_Ha ...
- tekrat, on 01/23/2008, -2/+7If look at Christianity you will find its faith that saves you from Hell, not who you sleep with.
- viruz, on 01/23/2008, -5/+11There is no such thing as hell
- skeeterou, on 01/23/2008, -3/+1"There is no such thing as hell"
This. - RevJonathan, on 01/24/2008, -0/+5"There is no such thing as hell"
Then, tonight, where shall we dine? - Matri, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2He got cut off. What he really wanted to say was: "Tonight, we dine in Hell's Kitchen!"
- mcgarry83, on 01/23/2008, -2/+34True that!...I love those guys on motorcycles that drown them out with there bikes. Its too bad we cant take it to a physical level, because I would love the chance to get to beat the ***** out of one of those WB pieces of *****!
- Bishop256, on 01/23/2008, -9/+19hold the ***** phone do NOT be making broad generalizations about church and religion because of one church. Just because you and your little digg friends and atheist doesnt mean everyone has lost respect for the church
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -6/+6While I agree with you on the issue of blanket statements, I believe he makes a few valid comparisons criticizing all religion - not just yours. There is a thin line between what this organization is doing and what your church believes in.
- brad3378, on 01/23/2008, -2/+8Even the KKK wouldn't dare to protest a funeral. Is this like a ***** contest to these guys?
- ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -8/+3Now, imagine if Tom Cruise died instead of Heath Ledger and the WBC decided to protest at his funeral. I'm sure that you would see hordes of digg users joyfully marching alongside Phelps simply because they hate Cruise.
- Ataxia2008, on 01/23/2008, -5/+1We're hypocritical idiots, we've come to accept that now. Leave us be.
- Matri, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1We wouldn't. We'd be confused. There's the WBC on one side. And on the other side are the scientologists.
It's a paradox.
- mattatarms1507, on 01/23/2008, -11/+65There was respect for that church in the first place?
- NCSUspoon, on 01/23/2008, -6/+56They need to be tazed bro!
- rstarr, on 01/23/2008, -1/+16They need to be taken down on the net like we did with Scientology. Who's drafting up the flyer?
- NCSUspoon, on 01/23/2008, -2/+9Scientology was taken down? I don't think so.
- rstarr, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3"...taken down on the net..."
Not in general, just some net presence.
- rstarr, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3"...taken down on the net..."
- cliffzdude, on 01/23/2008, -6/+2Westboro Church, is just a family. Literally, a family. Grandpa, kids, and grandkids. That's it. No other members. None. Nada. They are however very successful at getting the goat of those around them, successfully getting coverage for their beliefs by inflaming people on purpose.
To share your hatred for these people here on Digg is to further empower Westbro.- Absinthminded64, on 01/23/2008, -1/+10"to further empower Westbro."
Don't West me bro! - heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4I think informing people of an organization based on hatred helps to dispel their power. It worked for the KKK. Make a belief system taboo by bringing into the light.
I don't like the idea that ignoring something is the way to get rid of it. "They'll just go away if we pay no attention to them"
- Absinthminded64, on 01/23/2008, -1/+10"to further empower Westbro."
- NCSUspoon, on 01/23/2008, -2/+9Scientology was taken down? I don't think so.
- bulkhater, on 01/23/2008, -1/+1Actually, that's EXACTLY what they want you to do. They make their living by suing the pants of people who attack them during their "protests."
- NCSUspoon, on 01/23/2008, -1/+4I would still like to see Fred Phelps with a monkey wrench in his teeth.
- Matri, on 01/24/2008, -2/+1IN his teeth? I'd settle for "between".
- NCSUspoon, on 01/23/2008, -1/+4I would still like to see Fred Phelps with a monkey wrench in his teeth.
- rstarr, on 01/23/2008, -1/+16They need to be taken down on the net like we did with Scientology. Who's drafting up the flyer?
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -1/+39makes me almost want to kiss a dude in front of them... just to make there hearts pump and give them a heart attack.. no evidence, no crime
- koft, on 01/23/2008, -1/+46and it's not even gay if balls aren't touching!
- alittleroy101, on 01/23/2008, -0/+8it's funny because it's true.
- sully213, on 01/23/2008, -4/+3Nah, go all the way and give him a Russian Trombone ;)
- mcgarry83, on 01/23/2008, -1/+11I thought it was Rusty Trombone?
edit- it is check urbandictionary.com - faskill, on 01/23/2008, -0/+8maybe one of the guys are russian?
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4maybe he means an actual trombone.. from Russia...
- Ataxia2008, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Haha, Wikipedia goes into a lot of detail. Pretty funny
- mcgarry83, on 01/23/2008, -1/+11I thought it was Rusty Trombone?
- sully213, on 01/23/2008, -4/+2C'mon if you're going to do it, do it right. Give some guy a Russian Trombone; leave nothing to chance that a kiss may be too tame to induce a heart attack.
- LoudNoise, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1Russian Trombone
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -7/+3its not gay if you close your eyes, its not gay if you wear a condom, its not gay if its family, its not gay if the lights are off, its not gay if you dont swallow, its not gay if you are the pitcher,
a few disclaimers.. - bulkhater, on 01/23/2008, -0/+22The dominant theory is that Phelps is gay and his entire "Church" is the result of guilt and self-loathing born of the conflict between his "faith" and his desires.
- Mercedes383, on 01/23/2008, -0/+11That actually makes more sense than most of the rubbish that comes from his mouth.
- koft, on 01/23/2008, -1/+46and it's not even gay if balls aren't touching!
- TheWorm, on 01/23/2008, -3/+132How do these people even call themselves "christians"? Since when did Jesus preach hate and intolerance?
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -10/+95"those who believe in absurdities, commit atrocities" -Voltaire
- soil, on 01/23/2008, -5/+51I think it was this:
"Those who can make you believe absurdities
can make you commit atrocities."
I'm a Christian and the point here is not "look how terrible Christianity is" anymore than one bad apple means you should give up eating fruit.
The point here is to be wise in your life, don't just take people's word for what you believe and how you act. This applies to Christians AND to atheists. We can all be deceived and we can all deceive. You're not immune just because you're not a Christian.- kidcodea, on 01/23/2008, -34/+9immune to what? what is this fear mongering thing you speak about? knowledge? we dont fear that. we have critical view of things. we dont follow a guide. back to the other sheep you go. shoosh
- Reese268, on 01/23/2008, -2/+15kidcodea, your rambling there makes no sense. You are not immune to deception, just as Christians are not immune to deception, just as muslims are not immune to deception, etc. You believe that what you believe is correct, that doesn't make you better than everyone who believes differently than you, so don't pretend as if it does.
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -1/+8Reese, I am not sure any of us really know what he was talking about???
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -0/+22agreed, friend, i just don't like Christianity to solve problems. you can worship your God, as much as you desire, but using God as excuse for murder, war, hate does not, and never will make sense.
hopefully you read this and answer me 1 question i do not understand about Christian conservative thinking, the death penalty.. the Bible says "thou shall not kill" it doesnt say "thou shall not kill, if, but or have a "*"" in there.. how can you be pro death penalty?
- oldhick, on 01/23/2008, -0/+13I think you answered your own question, you can't. Jesus preached love, compassion, and tolerance. His closest friends were whores, thieves, and outcasts. His final act on the cross was to forgive to criminals/thieves who were being crucified with him. I think it speaks volumes about capital punishment.
Capital punishment was used to kill Jesus (and who knows how many other great people) and Christians still support it... But remember the hypocrisies of the faithful is inevitable. - darkcooger, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6As a Christian, I can't answer whether or not the death penalty is acceptable. I agree with oldhick that Jesus preached love and forgiveness, and it hardly seems loving or forgiving to kill someone for their transgressions. On the other hand, I wonder if death might be more humane than a lifetime in prison. Personally, I'd favor a complete overhaul, from the least of offenses to the greatest, of our penal system, but I don't know what form such an overhaul would take.
Anyway, note that the original Hebrew text would be more accurately translated as, "thou shalt not murder," not "thou shalt not kill." There is a distinction between the Hebrew words for general killing and murder in particular. Apparently there's a whole long history involved with this particular bit of translation. http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_Thou ... has a pretty good run-down of things. - darkcooger, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3Stupid digg, cutting off my link. :P
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_Thou ... - heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3The problem, Dark, is that you're weighing human life, with the quality of that life. There is nothing more inhumane than murder. It's pretty much spelled out in its definition. We are not the ones to decide who lives and who dies, and for this reason, we have no place killing. I think that's clear in either "Thou shall not Kill/Murder"
This has always confused me as well. I don't see a difference between 'murdering' and 'killing' in regards to the death sentence. You are basically pardoning an executioner of murder, which is guilt by association or authority. I can't help but see the contradictions in "WWJD" and the actual acts of faith that occur "In the name of God"
/an agnostic - darkcooger, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2@heypetray:
The difference is that murder is in violation of law (by definition), and from a Biblical perspective, there are plenty of different sins for which the lawful punishment is death. In that case, the killing is not murder, because it is in accordance with the law (all of this from a Biblical standpoint, remember). So the distinction isn't based on the quality of one's life, but rather it's premised on the law.
This all works especially well for Judaism, but Christians have the complication of a loving and forgiving Christ to add into the equation. I don't know the answer, and I apologize if my previous comment suggested that I do. I suspect that there is a fundamental flaw in how we punish people at every level, but I can't put my finger on quite what's wrong with it or how it might be made better. One side of me says, "forgive and forget," but the other side tells me that doesn't really work in society. What about the guy who goes crazy and no longer acts rationally? Forgive, forget, and release so he can do whatever terrible thing he did again? I don't know what to do about it, honestly. I'm thankful that it's not my decision to make, and I honestly hope that I'm never put into position to make that decision.
Based on your perspective, as best I can figure it from your post, what you're saying makes sense. The most immediate obvious difference between us is that I *do* see a difference between "murdering" and "killing" with respect to the death penalty. However, I'm still not convinced that it's right. - heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3@Dark (Digg wouldn't let me respond to your comment. "Session Expired" BS):
Very well. Thanks for your reply - they're rare. I believe you are correct when you speak of our similar perspectives. What kills me is the self righteousness of authority to kill a killer. Hypocrisy... And while I too don't have a solution to change the way we punish criminals, I can observe and criticize our methods.
The problem I see with "Forgive, forget, and release so he can do whatever terrible thing he did again?" is the slippery slope fallacy. While many statistics suggest this to be true (releasing convicts who just go out and recommit the crime) it should not be assumed that this is true for everybody. This is why I tend to give benefit of the doubt in these situations. We should risk the occurrence of criminal activity and try to prevent it, not err on the side of caution ALL the time.
It's a difficult subject. I understand it isn't spelled out in your faith, and misinterpretation can lead to atrocities. It may just be a matter of human nature to stand above the 'sinners' but we must be careful, for there are many ways we can lower ourselves to their level without realizing it.
Again, thanks. - darkcooger, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2@heypetray (Yeah, the reply thing is a kind of a bummer.)
Thanks to you, as well. It's rare to have a calm and reasonable exchange of ideas on digg, and it's always pleasant to experience. Yeah, hypocrisy is a big problem, not just for the Christian faith but for others as well. On the issue of releasing criminals back into society, your point is taken, but just for what it's worth, I did mean specifically those people who could be counted on to offend again. And on your final statement, I don't disagree, but I would just like to throw in here that when a self-proclaimed Christian sets himself above a sinner, he's not acting very Christ-like at all. Though you might not be a Christian yourself, I think you would be well within your rights to point that out to them. :)
- oldhick, on 01/23/2008, -0/+13I think you answered your own question, you can't. Jesus preached love, compassion, and tolerance. His closest friends were whores, thieves, and outcasts. His final act on the cross was to forgive to criminals/thieves who were being crucified with him. I think it speaks volumes about capital punishment.
- R3Dirkulous, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2I am a Christian, and I agree with your comment khail250. I know I'm not supposed to judge people..but this protest makes me sick.
It seems like nowadays Christians are more pissed off than anybody(once again i know i shouldn't judge) People have certain believes, but its not our job to hate someone for it and to impose our will upon them. Whether or not you believe someone is "rotting in hell" you should show some respect..
- soil, on 01/23/2008, -5/+51I think it was this:
- ElAssoWipo, on 01/23/2008, -14/+9Which version of christ or the bible or God are you referring to?
- kidcodea, on 01/23/2008, -3/+290.2 beta i think.
- ChileanGoD, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Viruses have beta versions now?
- kidcodea, on 01/23/2008, -3/+290.2 beta i think.
- CZzyzx41, on 01/23/2008, -2/+8No kidding. What ever happened to "Turn the other cheek"? It makes for easier access!
- zoom1928, on 01/23/2008, -51/+4They're not Christians. They're Democrats that call themselves a church in an attempt to make Christians look bad.
It's interesting to see the huge percentage of people that don't follow the news that think these idiots are anything other than a group of Democrats.- sfgeek, on 01/23/2008, -1/+15I disagree, I think they really ARE that crazy.
Now Ann Coulter however, is probably, in fact most certainly, a man.- dondara, on 01/23/2008, -0/+7She is. She was using the urinal next to met at JFK. Big man hands holding her tiny dick. No wonder she is so pissed off.
- bahamutxd, on 01/23/2008, -0/+22Democrats? Right, because Democrats want to end gay rights? The only reason they're supported by the ACLU is because they have a right to free speech - albeit as repulsive as it is. Don't use these idiots as a way to fuel a partisan debate.
- breadfred, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1You peeked?
- rstarr, on 01/23/2008, -0/+14What?!
Now, stop me if I'm wrong, but MOST dem's that I know aren't big fans of the whole "gay bashing" thing. In fact, most of us think they should be able to marry. - khail250, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6interesting to see you have no facts to back anything up. I really wonder what kind of person you are... hard to profile from that moronic comment.. i really do see you living in a basement or an attic of your parents/uncles house though..
- pintomp3, on 01/23/2008, -0/+7wow, now that is a real conspiracy. i guess you can call it a false fag operation.
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2"Damn those Dems and their intolerance of human/civil rights!"
I dugg you just so people could see what a ***** ass you are. You represent a group of people I am disgusted by.
- sfgeek, on 01/23/2008, -1/+15I disagree, I think they really ARE that crazy.
- UberNick, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1Matthew 15:4-7? Luke 14:26?
- UberNick, on 01/23/2008, -9/+5If you're basing your understanding on this holy book, there are countless of examples where hate and intolerance are demanded directly by Jesus god and God god.
Even if you try to explain that away through interpretation, translation, metaphor, etc etc, you'll still need to refer to some authority as interpreting the "correct' meaning. I'd accept scholarly consensus, but not an appeal to what you think "true Christians" ought to read into it.- oldhick, on 01/23/2008, -1/+7Please show me where hate is demanded by Jesus.
- UberNick, on 01/23/2008, -1/+1@oldhick
see two examples above - giveer, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2Commandment #11. - Quit taking my words out of bloody context. You don't need to read anything INTO any of those verses. What you do need to do is read them IN context. Who was being spoken to, who it was written for and the context of the words being spoken. But you are correct that English fails to capture much of the original text's language.
- xevidentx, on 01/23/2008, -0/+8the word "hate" in those verses need to be softened due to the translation of the bible. you are taking it out of context. as usual, people like quote extreme one liners from the bible and not bother to find the true meaning behind them
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html
jesus never preached hate, that's something that christians of ALL denominations need to agree on.- UberNick, on 01/23/2008, -3/+2You're attempting to explain away direct commands to hate with "out of context" and "mistranslated". For the sake of argument, let's take the monotheistic point of view that Jesus god = God god. Westboro Baptist found direct instances of God commanding them to hate others. Personally, I couldn't care less what the "real" interpretation is. The perceived interpretation and actions resulting from it aren't any less dangerous or harmful because they're not the "true" interpretations.
Besides, what right do you have to claim tektonics.org is a better interpretor than Westboro? - ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3Yes he did! If you claim otherwise then you're a WBC supporter!!!!
/average digg member mindset - heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2It was only a matter of time until I'd hear "You're taking it out of context"
Bible verses are quoted constantly. It was written this way for a reason. Because this is the absolute word of "God" in all his perfection, I believe it is well calculated and written concisely, kind of like the 10 commandments. There should be no room for misinterpretation of context.
What I see is Christians taking their favorite verses. The popular ones that work and are inspirational are used while the ugly/contradictory ones are dismissed and spun. The bible IS the direct word of God, correct? Maybe I'm wrong. - cawpin, on 01/28/2008, -0/+1"There should be no room for misinterpretation of context."
That's the problem. You seem to be taking the worse view because it suits YOUR argument. As stated above, "Thou shalt not kill" is not a commandment. The CORRECT translation is "Thou shalt not MURDER."
- UberNick, on 01/23/2008, -3/+2You're attempting to explain away direct commands to hate with "out of context" and "mistranslated". For the sake of argument, let's take the monotheistic point of view that Jesus god = God god. Westboro Baptist found direct instances of God commanding them to hate others. Personally, I couldn't care less what the "real" interpretation is. The perceived interpretation and actions resulting from it aren't any less dangerous or harmful because they're not the "true" interpretations.
- UberNick, on 01/23/2008, -9/+5If you're basing your understanding on this holy book, there are countless of examples where hate and intolerance are demanded directly by Jesus god and God god.
- snurfle, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5I don't believe in the God they are showing to the world.
I wish people wouldn't look at WBC as a basis for determining whether to explore faith.- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1You should pray, not wish. I hear it's more effective.
- Zuggy, on 01/23/2008, -0/+7"I like your Christ, I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are very much unlike your Christ" - Ghandi (I hope I got the quote right pulled it off the top of my head)
I think the example of Christ is that just because he may not approved of something doesn't mean he showed hate towards them.- ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2I agree with Ghandi. I'm not a Christian because I like some lunatic from Kansas who yells "God hates fags", I'm a Christian because of Christ's teaching and The Ten Commandments.
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1@ Zerux:
So does God hate fags or not? WBC isn't the only religious organization who openly opposes homosexual lifestyle.- ZeRux, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Telling that you're against gay marriages isn't exactly the same as saying "fags die, God laughs".
I definitely don't hate homosexuals, but wouldn't want my children to be homosexual either.
- ZeRux, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Telling that you're against gay marriages isn't exactly the same as saying "fags die, God laughs".
- innocentsinner, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2They aren't "Christians". They're lawyers out to earn a buck.
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Don't forget. Jesus gave Bush permission to Invade the middle east in the name of freedom and democracy. WWJD? Send in the troops! ***** Yeah!
- taquitohater, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1"Jesus thinks you're a douche"
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -10/+95"those who believe in absurdities, commit atrocities" -Voltaire
- ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -53/+1From since when is protesting against the law? Sounds like you would enjoy living in a police state where people with opinions are shot in public.
- bsl4doc, on 01/23/2008, -0/+40Oh, well, if you feel all protesting is legal (despite the fact that it's not, just like all free spech isn't legal, ie can't yell fire in a theatre), I'm going to organize a group to protest outside your home and work place to protest against your molestation of children. I mean, sure you don't do that, just like Heath Ledger wasn't a "fag", but, since you said ALL protesting is legal, I guess it's okay to protest the fact that you're a child molester, right?
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Where do I sign up?
- juniorb, on 01/23/2008, -1/+19YES! I agree completely! I will run into the street screaming "***** and Jews should be burned alive!" It's my First Amendment right to be an intolerant jackass who uses hate to disturb peace that I disagree with.
If your peace is not my peace, prepare to be destroyed!
/sarcasm and disgust- exscind, on 01/23/2008, -5/+2It's not question of legality, Straw-man. It's a about people being douche-bags.
- cdahlkvist, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3Speaking of douche-bags, Westboro Baptists can be explained here:
http://digg.com/comedy/5_Douchebag_Behaviors_Expla ...
- cdahlkvist, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3Speaking of douche-bags, Westboro Baptists can be explained here:
- ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Try screaming "Christians should be burned alive!" instead. Many people here on digg would cheerfully join you. Yet how is that any better than screaming "***** and Jews should be burned alive!"?
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3@ Zerux. I don't hate Christians, I just think they're misguided. I don't think anybody should be burned alive. In this sense, I feel more aligned with Christ than many from your faith. Violence in the name of Christ is BS.
- exscind, on 01/23/2008, -5/+2It's not question of legality, Straw-man. It's a about people being douche-bags.
- CZzyzx41, on 01/23/2008, -2/+13I say let them protest. There will be no one guarding the church building at 3701 12th Street in Topeka. Please someone set that building on fire.
OH and since we know where they'll be, it'll make it easier to beat the ***** out of all of them at once. MAKE SURE YOU SLASH THEIR TIRES FIRST. Don't want them getting away so easily like last time.- LoudNoise, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4Funniest thing I've read all morning.
- ChadUSofA, on 01/23/2008, -5/+0You are worse than they are.
- abedward, on 01/23/2008, -0/+0no, hes right. go to their website and just read a litle bit. they truly make me sad to be an american and a christian.
- satandumpling, on 01/23/2008, -0/+9So you think if your child/parent/sweetheart dies a bunch of looneys should be allowed to yell, protest, tell you they're burning in Hell, and spit on their grave in the middle of the funeral? It's not about outlawing a protest, it's about showing a little respect and giving the family a chance to mourn.
- spacecoyote1966, on 01/23/2008, -0/+9Fred Phelps and his thugs have a right to protest at the funeral. And Heath's family members have a right to beat the crap out of them. Besides, won't the funeral be in Australia? I doubt any of the white-trash from Westboro Baptist could afford plane tickets to Aussie.
- smacksaw, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Actually, a better question would be why Australian immigration would allow them entry to the country.
Stupid Americans like these think they have a right to go to whatever country they want and they're wrong. If I were Australia I would let them fly for 20 hours to get there, refuse them entry, detain them for a few days and then send them home at their own expense. Which is actually all quite legal.
Even better, should they act up whatsoever I would have them arrested and try and convict them. That conviction, coupled with a deportation means that just about any country in the world can refuse them for no other reason than the fact they violated immigration of another country.
I don't know if they have any criminal records, but with a record they're basically inadmissible to most countries anyway.
- smacksaw, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Actually, a better question would be why Australian immigration would allow them entry to the country.
- GSnake, on 01/23/2008, -4/+2Grow up. You're either mentally retarded, or a baptist christian
oh wait, they're the same thing.- eosp, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6Did you just claim, without any argument whatsoever, that every last baptist in human history has been, in the full legal/medical sense of the term, one with mental retardation?
- ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3That's the exact kind of reply I was expecting. By calling all christians mentally retarded you're showing that you're nothing but an intolerant piece of trash, just like Fred Phelps himself.
- heypetray, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5GSnake doesn't represent my atheism, and WBC doesn't represent your faith. Can we just agree that there are idiots on both sides, hug it out, and call it a day?
- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1If I had the audacity to protest outside of a funeral, I would expect my my life to be threatened. Don't ***** with people in mourning, you never know for sure how loose they are hanging on by.
- bsl4doc, on 01/23/2008, -0/+40Oh, well, if you feel all protesting is legal (despite the fact that it's not, just like all free spech isn't legal, ie can't yell fire in a theatre), I'm going to organize a group to protest outside your home and work place to protest against your molestation of children. I mean, sure you don't do that, just like Heath Ledger wasn't a "fag", but, since you said ALL protesting is legal, I guess it's okay to protest the fact that you're a child molester, right?
- lnxfi, on 01/23/2008, -1/+12If people want to protest something, that's perfectly fine. However, people should jailed for protesting at a funeral. The family has the right to grieve in peace, not be cursed at in front of the casket.
- Navicerts, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1They have laws in place so you can't protest within a certain distance of the funeral; so yea, that was looked into.
- bsl4doc, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Who is "they"? A majority of states have no regulation on protesting at funerals at all, hence why WBC was and still is able to protest right by soldier's funerals and why a biker gang (can't remember their name at the moment) have volunteered to blockade the entrance to funerals for the grieving families.
- Navicerts, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1They have laws in place so you can't protest within a certain distance of the funeral; so yea, that was looked into.
- satandumpling, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5So you think if your child/parent/sweetheart dies a bunch of looneys should be allowed to yell, protest, tell you they're burning in Hell, and spit on their grave in the middle of the funeral? It's not about outlawing a protest, it's about showing a little respect and giving the family a chance to mourn.
- roosterjm2k2, on 01/23/2008, -0/+16I hope they Bury him in AU...and that they take the trip to protest...
I mean...there's alot of place a group of people like that could get lost and never been seen again...just sayin....- iddybiddy, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1A Funeral Co here in Perth is already making arrangements so I assume Kim is bringing him home after the autopsy.
- fireman452, on 01/26/2008, -0/+0I saw an interview with Mr. Ledger's Father - I think from his tone that he loved his son as much as any father and it has been my experience having traveled extensively that Australians Play Hard, Work HARD, and take no prisoners - Mr. Ledger's father would be well within his rights to gift these self righteous church goers some of God's own mineral in itsy bitsy pieces of lead, the folks from downunda did not come by the nick name of "Digger" by accident - they fight hard too!!
- snurfle, on 01/23/2008, -0/+32"...So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."
John 8:7- spartan2, on 01/23/2008, -10/+3That quote is meant to be taken as a bit of irony, not literally. If one were to be without sin and then "cast a stone" at someone, they would then have let anger take control of them and sinned. Since no normal human is without sin, no one should be casting any stones, preaching intolerance, or casting others down for perceived impurities.
- DJPhoenix, on 01/23/2008, -1/+9I don't think that's ironic at all. It seems rather literal to me.
You are correct, though. It does mean not judge others because you're not perfect either. - Animal, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1It's too bad that more of the bible isn't taken ironically instead of literally.
- DJPhoenix, on 01/23/2008, -1/+9I don't think that's ironic at all. It seems rather literal to me.
- Commodore84, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4I wish I could digg that twice. And that's actually something JESUS said, not something from the Old Testament law from which the New Testament has lifted us.
- SiliconRain, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Aye, very good, but unfortunately these people *genuinely believe* that they are living righteous lives in the eyes of their god. You can't argue with people that are not amenable to reason.
- spartan2, on 01/23/2008, -10/+3That quote is meant to be taken as a bit of irony, not literally. If one were to be without sin and then "cast a stone" at someone, they would then have let anger take control of them and sinned. Since no normal human is without sin, no one should be casting any stones, preaching intolerance, or casting others down for perceived impurities.
- whorunbartertwn, on 01/23/2008, -7/+5Things like this cause quite the conundrum for general digg opinion. The freedom of speech rallying cry doesn't feel quite as comfortable now.
- djbon2112, on 01/23/2008, -0/+12Your freedom of speech is trumped by their right to privacy, and a funeral is pretty ***** private. You have freedom only until the point it infringes on someone else's freedom.
- moskaudancer, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6My freedom to swing my fist ends at the tip of another man's nose.
- whorunbartertwn, on 01/23/2008, -5/+0I agree they should have no right to yell/protest at the funeral, since it's a private event. But man you should hear digg scream "freedom of speech" when that tool at the Kerry event couldn't just yell as long as he wanted whenever he wanted.
What right of the funeral attendees is being infringed on?
- djbon2112, on 01/23/2008, -0/+12Your freedom of speech is trumped by their right to privacy, and a funeral is pretty ***** private. You have freedom only until the point it infringes on someone else's freedom.
- spookyuk, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Couldn't you guys muster up enough people to turn up and kick the living ***** out of them?
- innocentsinner, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2That's what they want.
- MISDIREK7ED, on 01/23/2008, -5/+4This ***** reeks of Cindy Sheehan..
- skyshock1, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4$10 to the first person to YouTube them being chased away and beaten down by an angry mob.
- zKman, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFVjg79_iM
- parasight, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3I'm not entirely familiar with US law, but does this not constitute hate speech/defamation/slander/libel (not sure which of those terms apply) of sorts?
- nonym, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Nope. It's definitely not libel or slander, as it's all true. No one's denying his involvement in Brokeback Mountain. (Fortunately,) as long as they follow time/place/manner restrictions, this is protected speech... not that I'll be upset if a mob of unidentifiable fans has its way with the elder Phelpses...
- davidsmero, on 01/23/2008, -0/+15Everyone call and tell them what you think!
785-233-4162 - BillDoor, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3What idiots !!! Don't they realise that he is an Australian and most likely will be buried in Perth, Australia, his home town ? And don't even think about coming here to Australia to protest because it's illegal to enter this country for the purpose of creating trouble. They'll be arrested and deported in the blink of and eye.
- DCGaymer, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3Um, would you guy's be kind enough to keep em for a while. We're really over them.
- innocentsinner, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4They exist solely to get sued. They piss people off and hope to get attacked. Then they sue those people. Then they also sue the city's police for not protecting their rights. This family consists mostly of lawyers, using Christianity as their 'cover' or whatever.
- oxdeltaxo, on 01/23/2008, -0/+8Looks like a another job for anon. When they're done with $cientology wetboro could use a kick in the nuts.
- keepinithamsta, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2If I lived closer I would protest the protesters.
- XNihil0Zer0, on 01/24/2008, -0/+12here's the whole list of phone numbers, i would like to recommend a combination of jajah.com and t4m on craigslists.org erotic services section for pranking.
Fred W. and Margie M. Phelps, Sr.
Westboro Baptist Church
3701 S.W. 12th Street
Topeka, Kansas 66604
phone: 785-273-0325 and 785-273-0338
fax: 785-273-9228
Karl and Deborah Kay Hockenbarger
James Hockenbarger/Jennifer Hockenbarger
1929 S.W. Lane
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: (913) 233-1848
K-K-Karl’s work: 785-296-3959
Fred W. Phelps. Jr. and Betty Phelps
3600 S. W. Holly Lane
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-272-4135
Jr.’s work: 785-296-3195
Margie J. Phelps
3734 S.W. 12th
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-273-7380
work: 785-296-3317
Ben Phelps
3632 S.W. Churchill
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-233-4162
Rebekah Phelps-Davis and Chris Davis-Phelps
1216 S.W. Cambridge
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-272-7741
Shirley Phelps-Roper and Brent Roper-Phelps
Sam Phelps-Roper
3640 S.W. Churchilll
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-273-1445/273-0277/272-1619
Shirley’s work: 785-233-4162
Brent’s work (Foot Locker) 785-273-0068
Jonathan and Paulette Phelps
840 S.W. Watson
Topeka, Kansas 66606
Jonathan’s work: 785-233-4162
Elizabeth Phelps
2001 S.W. 2nd Street
Topeka, Kansas 66606
home: 785-234-9694
work: 785-233-0822
Abigail Phelps
3636 S.W. Churchill
Topeka, Kansas 66604
785-273-7262
work: 785-296-7709
Charles W. and Mary Hockenbarger
711 N.W. Page
Topeka, Kansas 66617
home: 785- 246-1567
Rachel Phelps Hockenbarger and Charles F. Hockenbarger
1284 S.W. Hillsdale
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-271-1619
Tim and LeAnn Phelps
3743 S.W. 12th Street
Topeka, Kansas 66604
home: 785-273-4780
Tim’s work: 785-291-5100
Leann’s work: phone: 785-233-4162
Theresa Davis
3632 S.W. 12th Street
Topeka, Kansas 66604
work: 785-291-700 - caspy7, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2I just want to speak up and say that I am a Christian and what these people are doing is *wrong*. In fact I believe that the overwhelming majority of Christians would denounce what they are doing. It only takes a very small minority to give a bad name to a group that doesn't characterize the majority.
Please don't believe this is an accurate characterization of all Christians (or even most). It's not.- radix2, on 01/26/2008, -0/+0Caspy7: Although an atheist myself, I certainly don't think these sick ***** are characteristic of your religion as a whole. But these idiots are not the only ones to give religion a bad name. Various denominations of Christianity for instance cover the full spectrum of hate and vilification through to moderate and functional spirituality. I hope you belong closer to the later. Peace out.
- ojk007, on 01/23/2008, -9/+240Shady?
- darkchild82, on 01/23/2008, -19/+340*****' attention grabbers...sorry, I'm not digging this article. I don't want their names to be known to the public. Thats what they want anyway isn't it ? stupid pricks !
- BlindingDawn, on 01/23/2008, -3/+46If you don't know who they are, you have lived under a rock. This should be the time to shut the ass hats down. FOR GOOD.
- ojk007, on 01/23/2008, -3/+6or he lives in a different country, this IS the ***** internet.. JEEZ
- vhold, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5The only way to shut them down is to ignore them, unless you want to get rid of freedom of speech. Their enemies are their best promoters.
- StrikerObi, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3Agreed. I think it is important that people know about insanity like this, but at the same time I don't want anybody who agrees with these hate-mongers seeing this. As such, I'm burying it.
- laserdog, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3Amen vhold.
They clearly pick targets that are likely to generate opposition.
This is all about them painting themselves as "oppressed christians" to their followers.
Provoke until someone says something and then cry foul is their entire gameplan.
- r1y23, on 01/23/2008, -1/+15I honestly hope that someone finally snaps and kills all of them and then gets away to live happily in Mexico.
Thats not bad is it?- Arth718, on 01/23/2008, -0/+11Do we get to picket their funerals?
- djbon2112, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4I hope that person leaves their leader guy alive, so he can see the funeral picketing. Then hopefully hang himself.
- damocle, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2yeah
- Navicerts, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3Nothing wrong with wishing they would get killed. There would be something wrong with wanting (seriously) to kill them yourself.
On the other hand a lot of these people never had a fair shot, it's kinda sad really.
When the killer you are wishing for is pointing a gun at a 6 year old about to shoot, do you still support it? These people need help and I think the only way to do anything and have any legal ground at all is to take their children away in the name of abuse (mental at least, i wouldn't doubt sexual or other).
- Arth718, on 01/23/2008, -0/+11Do we get to picket their funerals?
- darkchild82, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3Hey BlindingDawn, sorry but as ojk007 said I'm not living in the U.S & I really don't know who they are. If they are already well known then I guess I'm wrong in saying they want attention to become popular. Anyway, lost cause - made it to the Digg front page anyway :-) It's not that I wouldn't digg your shouts or anything, I just didn't believe in promoting their "cause". So what other shenanigans have these guys been up to ?
- christoast, on 09/04/2008, -6/+11Agreed, even though hes has good intentions and i respect that, i think hes wrong and darkchild82 should be dugg down. Digg this story up so people know who to hate.
- ehalasey, on 01/23/2008, -1/+6" . . . so people know who to hate"? Are you for real?
Isn't that just validating their actions? The wisest way to deal with this business is to DROP it. These people are just looking to draw attention to their cause. By pouring hate on them, you only make it easier for them to claim that they're being stifled and censored.
- ehalasey, on 01/23/2008, -1/+6" . . . so people know who to hate"? Are you for real?
- SuperWinner, on 01/23/2008, -1/+31Considering Heath Ledgers popularity, this might be an incredible bad/dangerous move for them...
- unicronband, on 01/23/2008, -0/+29They don't care. They're already one of the most hated groups in the US. If they didn't get killed protesting the soldiers' funerals, I doubt this will be much different.
Anon should take on these inbreeders after they're done with Scientology.- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Be careful what you wish for, sometimes Anon delivers.
- pintomp3, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6they usually target the funerals of soldiers. they probably welcome backlash and attention.
- MattB123, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6They definitely do. The worst we could do to them would be to ignore them.
- bills534, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2or run them over with a truck during one of their protest.
- unicronband, on 01/23/2008, -0/+29They don't care. They're already one of the most hated groups in the US. If they didn't get killed protesting the soldiers' funerals, I doubt this will be much different.
- jonatne, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2You may be right about limiting the publics attention about this matter.
But you may also be wrong.
Enough people obviously don't care about their protests of military funerals. Maybe a movie star can convince enough people to have something done about this.
Or maybe there isn't anything that can be done at all. - dimplemonkey, on 01/23/2008, -2/+12On the flipside of the argument, this isn't the kind of attention most Christians want on themselves. We already know that the wages of ANY sin is death, that God doesn't "rank" one sin more than the other, it's all the same in HIs eyes. But there is redemption from sin and it may be possible that Heath Ledger found salvation before his death but only he will know this. No one is accountable to anyone but ourselves to God. Westboro Baptist forgot that Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin, that we shouldn't be a stumbling block to others with our faith, and that all have fallen short of God's Glory. It's disappointing to see this happening but why should we insist on negating the hate with more hate? Just bury the whole story, my comments, and let's move on to improving ourselves while we still have a life to live.
- DJPhoenix, on 01/23/2008, -0/+10I'm a total Atheist, and for the most part I shun religion. That said, I don't hate spirituality. Those two things are compeltely different and seperate in my mind. Based on your comments I think you might be the kind of believer I can respect. Too bad these days you seem to be in the minority.
- HunterSeeker42, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4We have a total winner here. My thoughts exactly.
- Phatt138, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Well said dimple. Just so's -you- know, most people -I- know find positions like yours totally respectable. Just as most Christians are not deluded misanthropes, so most agnostics/atheists recognize that the goal of the human mission is happiness and personal fulfillment, be it religious or secular in nature. It's always good to hear those quieter voices, and I appreciate your comment. If all Christians believed like you did, we wouldn't be having such an unfortunate discussion.
- gudnbluts, on 01/23/2008, -1/+0"loves the sinner but hates the sin"
That old cop-out always annoys me. I've seen enough hatred of gay people from Christians to know how false it is. When the "sin" is such a fundamental and unchangeable part of the person, you can't help but equate the two. Maybe Jesus was different, but Christians do not make that distinction, apart from parroting that phrase.
- roosterjm2k2, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6Digg it up so people can see how sad this is...
I wish I could find the paper I read a while back about them...
Basically, the grandfather pretty much brainwashes them in such steep dogma at a young age...by they time they are adults...they are as certain that they are truly doing what GOD wants...as certain as you are that you have to breath to live...
On top of that, the kids, ALL of them, in the videos you see of them, how they interact with their parents/grandparents (note, this "church" is a family...), multiple psychologists have said that they all exhibit classic signs of physical and sexual abuse in their actions around the adults... kinda ***** up.- MarkOfTheDead, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1It's because no one with a right mind would procreate with them. Give it another 10 years,they'll all be ***** each other and knocking each other up to spawn more.
- blackmage439, on 01/23/2008, -2/+2Agreed. These people are nothing but classless, closet fags. The only place they're going is the hell they believe in.
Digg this story so people can know what and abomination their "church" is. - gadgetlust, on 01/23/2008, -1/+40I'm a Christian. Pastor actually. I believe in dinosaurs and evolution, I believe that sexual orientation is very likely biologically determined, that killing people for profit is wrong, that radicalism/fundamentalism is so destructive that it probably outweighs the good things that people do in the name of the faith, and that the leaders of Westboro Baptist are *****.
I wish I could say they were not Christians, so that I wouldn't have to take responsibility for the damage they are doing. Sadly, they are, and it falls on the rest of us to stop them. I hope that a good counter-protest gets organized.- roosterjm2k2, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5That's what needs to happen...we need counter protests...
Get mass of people to go where they protest, and sing/chant good things. When they are picketing Soldiers' funerals...sing God Bless America...etc...sing it so loud that they are downed out. Carry signs (even blank white ones) that are much bigger than their hate-filled ones...and keep them out of view...so the families dont have to see it...There are only a few of them..they arent a large group...100 people could easily handle them.- bobcatred, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1The freedom riders follow them around and attempt to block their protests, but only at military funerals. They've made a point of that. I suppose they'd all have to quit their jobs if they followed the WBC around to every damn thing they protest.
Fortunately, in this case, Heath Ledger's family and friends have enough money and connections to hire security to keep them away, and hopefully out of the hearing range of the poor family. Doesn't make it right, but they are in a better position to protect the funeral than most.
- bobcatred, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1The freedom riders follow them around and attempt to block their protests, but only at military funerals. They've made a point of that. I suppose they'd all have to quit their jobs if they followed the WBC around to every damn thing they protest.
- ours, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4Claiming they are Christians doesn't make them Christians. It's what we do everyday that makes someone worthy to claim following Christ. I'd go as far as saying that more people from other religions (or atheists for that mater) are more "christian" then this bunch of loonies. I must have missed the part of the Bible where Christ goes on a picketing trip at someone's funeral.
And on top of all, Ledger wasn't even gay, he had a family, a girl and all... so these guys aren't even coherent in their stupidity. We'll see who will be burning in hell. - lalop, on 01/23/2008, -1/+7I'm an atheist, but dugg your post, 'cause it helps show we don't live in a checkers world, where everything must be black or white
- gadgetlust, on 01/25/2008, -0/+1And I dugg yours, because some of the people who have had the most thoughtful perspectives regarding God (and some of my most treasured friends) have been atheists.
- Navicerts, on 01/23/2008, -2/+2"radicalism/fundamentalism is so destructive that it probably outweighs the good things that people do in the name of the faith"
I know if i should compliment you for being a pastor and trying to help with the problem you have identified here or condemn you for choosing to devote your life to something that causes more pain than love :(- gadgetlust, on 01/25/2008, -0/+1Dugg you up because the question about whether or not to go pursue a "normal" career is one that has been on my mind a lot.
Religious people can be a pain in the butt to work with -- but some of them are wonderful too. My hope is that my net contribution to the world we live in will be positive -- but ultimately, I'm fumbling my way through like everyone else is. Some days I hate my work and think it is pointless. Other days it's profoundly meaningful... perhaps I'm just bipolar. *shrug*
- gadgetlust, on 01/25/2008, -0/+1Dugg you up because the question about whether or not to go pursue a "normal" career is one that has been on my mind a lot.
- roosterjm2k2, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5That's what needs to happen...we need counter protests...
- bebop717, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2I agree, I undugg the story.
- Bodhinature, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3Yes. Crazy should be marginalized.
- xt0ph3r, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1I completely disagree. A very bright spotlight needs to be shown upon them and the populace should take a good hard look at them and identify them as crazy and evil.. Pretending they do not exist is not a solution.
- bubba9999, on 01/24/2008, -0/+2I can't wait until Phelps Sr. dies. I'm going to drive all the way the ***** out there so I can scream my ***** head off at his funeral and drive his family nuts and try to hurt them as much as possible (verbally).
I'm guessing that the local law enforcement folks will be "tied up" somewhere else in town that day.- bobcatred, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Will you carry a big sign that says "God hates Fred?"
- Goodanswer, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1They were supposed to be protesting the Marines Home Coming from Iraq at Camp Lejeune in Jacksonville, NC this Saturday. That is what they said last week in one of their hate mails posted on their site. Too bad they just couldn't fill out the necessary permits right,,,Not to mention they would probably end up in jail after they got their asses kicked in.
- SolidSnake24, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Thought i would share this, a BBC documentary titled "Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family in America"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-441338814 ...
- BlindingDawn, on 01/23/2008, -3/+46If you don't know who they are, you have lived under a rock. This should be the time to shut the ass hats down. FOR GOOD.
- ArmedWithAMind, on 01/23/2008, -58/+0Duplicate story
- InfamousAtheist, on 01/23/2008, -2/+5AND???
- groberts1980, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6And, he probably submitted it and he's miffed his didn't get Dugg to the front page. Everybody give ArmedWithAMind a cookie.
- bigsteve, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5On a site that relies on it's millions of users for content? NEVER
- InfamousAtheist, on 01/23/2008, -2/+5AND???
- littlemanclan, on 01/23/2008, -8/+438Let's see here: In real life, Ledger was a heterosexual, but portrayed a gay man in a fictional movie. You know, doing his job: making believe he was somebody he was not. Never mind that though -- this is enough to incur the holy bat ***** crazy ass wrath of the Westboro Baptist Church, of "God Hates Fags" infamy. This is frankly no more offensive then this group's practice of picketing the funerals of our slain troops who sacrificed themselves for this country. And, while I'm not the violent sort, nor do I recognize violence against those who practice vile, offensive speech as an acceptable American tradition, I'm beginning to ponder some revolutionary new ideas for dealing with these sub-humans. For example, at the next Westboro function, I'm seeing maybe a few cases of beer, a couple of bottles of Jack, perhaps a little speed, the Hells Angels and enough firearms and ammunition to takeover a smallish country. You know, just enough to make it interesting for the old Baptist folk. What do you think?
- unicronband, on 01/23/2008, -2/+119I'm thinking "Will it Blend?: WBC Edition"
- ApokalypseNow, on 01/23/2008, -1/+18I like where that train of thought leads - straight into a bunch of high-velocity spinning blades.
- Mattja, on 01/23/2008, -0/+8Amen to that.
- FallenWings, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1The ONLY time that comment has been pulled off in the past several months. Well done.
- ApokalypseNow, on 01/23/2008, -1/+18I like where that train of thought leads - straight into a bunch of high-velocity spinning blades.
- Coven, on 01/23/2008, -2/+20I'd say lets tar and feather Fred Phelps in a public square, then let the Gimp have his way with him.
What do you mean the Gimp is sleeping? Go wake him up! - shaka776, on 01/23/2008, -15/+3I'd say be a bit careful with the Baptists, they'll have their own guns.
- weside, on 01/23/2008, -59/+2If "doing his job: making believe he was somebody he was not" was what it was, advancing the homosexual agenda, then yes, go WBC.
- edjenkins234, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4weside is so gay it makes my anus hurt
- daveydla, on 01/23/2008, -0/+0Look at his picture. Dude is just angry he has never been laid, by a man or woman.
- mattmy, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2you can go ahead and step out of the closet anytime you want to
- EmberJGT, on 01/23/2008, -16/+3you don't think Hell's Angels hate fags?
- JaimeD26, on 01/23/2008, -0/+24c'mon, what's gayer than a bunch of dudes wrapped in leather with handle bar mustaches riding their bikes together?
- 100Slinky, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Never even see them anymore. Guess they're off pissin on each other's clothes, as usual. Homosexuality is pretty mild compared to what the Hell's Angels do to each other.
- JaimeD26, on 01/23/2008, -0/+24c'mon, what's gayer than a bunch of dudes wrapped in leather with handle bar mustaches riding their bikes together?
- Asvetic, on 01/23/2008, -0/+13If the 10 Commandments are the words of GOD, wouldn't that trump anything else found in the bible? Especially if that found phrase was loosely translated and then paraphrased itself? If I recall, one of those commandments is, "Love Thy Neighbor."
- johnnall, on 01/23/2008, -1/+7Amen. These people really piss me off. It's getting harder and harder to be a Christian without people like this tarnishing what should be a beautiful thing. I consider myself Christian not because of the church I go to but because I believe we should all behave as Christ did. If you truly believe that Christ died for your sins and that you should live your life as Christ instructed then there is no room for hate. I admit it's not easy and I'm not always successful but there is a huge difference between my failing to completely Christ-like(which is impossible) and hating and condemning people to hell. To me the WBC is no different then the Klan or Neo-Nazis. Even though their hearts, words, and deeds are filled with hate I pray for them. It truly makes me sad to see such things done in God's name.
- tomee, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2Not to nitpick, but "Love Thy Neighbor" is not a commandment.
- daeggman, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6I believe he's referring to the part in the New Testament where Jesus basically boiled down the Ten Commandments to two: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind," and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Go over the list of Commandments and you'll find that each one of them falls under either one or the other.
- cyberprunes, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2The bible is full of contradiction.
- daneathon, on 01/25/2008, -0/+0most fictional books are.
- screamokid, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2i wanna put stickers on them saying "may contain fictitious *****" or "one of the best selling fictional books of all time!"
- samcrut, on 01/23/2008, -0/+11I think an errant Hummer jumping the curb would give this story a happy ending. I'm generally not a violent person but these WBC guys really turn my stomach.
- korvan504521, on 01/23/2008, -15/+6Right, because the best way to respond to hate is with more hate. Way to go.
- AvidPreatorian, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1go lick their nuts then, go show some lovin
- LeopardGirl420, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4I'm thinking they would like it, along with a few dozen pizza deliveries from all over the city, taxi cabs, male strippers, emergency tow trucks, chimney cleaners, repairmen, and dozens of chinese delivery orders.
Here's to hoping they might catch /i/nsurgency's sights - Jordan117, on 01/23/2008, -0/+15Well, considering that they protested the funeral of MR. ROGERS (apparently on account of his not hating gay people), I'm really not surprised that they'd do the same for a man that gave a passionate portrayal of a gay relationship that was seen by millions.
- screamokid, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3THEY DID!!!!
those douchebags
- screamokid, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3THEY DID!!!!
- MysticSavage, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Your views intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. And supply you with weapons.
- bobjohnsonmilw, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4I think spraying them with Santorum would be pretty funny.
- Navicerts, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3I think they can be "dealt with" without killing anyone. Child abuse. Kids are getting born into this group of outcasts and will never have a normal life because of it. These kids are, essentially, in danger of loosing their lives.
This is not an organization people seek out and join, take away their ability to breed and own children and they will eventually go away. - heatman, on 01/23/2008, -0/+11Hell? Nah, that's boring. I like to think Heath as suddenly being spiraled down to the Underworld where a sage is awaiting him to give him an epic quest. Armed only with a mystical sword, he must battle his way through hordes of the undead to Charon where he will be given passage across the river of the dead. Onward he will trek to fight Cerberus on level 5, then there will be a water level, and ice level, and a space level (which will be tough, but he'll need the exp and power ups). Finally he will fight Hades which will be totally awesome and mostly done with CG...eventually he will take his place in Elysium with the rest of the heroes!
I like my fairy tale better than theirs...
/We'll miss you Heath, you were destined for greatness in this world...I like to imagine you destined for greatness in the next :)- terriblelie, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1You forgot to mention the battle with Batman!!!!!
- octoquake, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1i cringe to imagine him becoming an RPG character
- andywebb95, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5These guys are not Baptists and I would not consider them Christian either.
To my knowledge (and I have read the bible) there are no verses that would lead me to behave in the way these clowns are.- radix2, on 01/26/2008, -0/+0They self-identify as Baptists/Christians. Therefore to all intents and purposes they are. Be careful before denouncing that, for you may find yourself excluded by another group too. This is what is so ***** up about religions as they stand. Too many denominations and narrow focus on particular events or writings. All are cults to each other. Cults are bad. mmm kay.
- TheTSArt, on 01/27/2008, -0/+1NO, they are not Baptists. They do not belong to any of the Baptist Conventions--they are not Baptist. I do not know of a single real Baptist who can identify or would endorse these wackos. If someone decided to arbitrarily take your name, that you don't even know or met, does that make them family?
- radix2, on 01/26/2008, -0/+0They self-identify as Baptists/Christians. Therefore to all intents and purposes they are. Be careful before denouncing that, for you may find yourself excluded by another group too. This is what is so ***** up about religions as they stand. Too many denominations and narrow focus on particular events or writings. All are cults to each other. Cults are bad. mmm kay.
- Teanuh, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5As much as it seems like they should all be exterminated, I think getting rid of just Fred Phelps and his daughter would be enough. I saw a BBC video on youtube about a guy who lived with this family for I think two weeks or something--Though the children talked about "fags" and the "devil" and how basically everyone but them was "going to hell," their words were clearly just what Phelps and his daughter had brainwashed them to believe. They are just innocent children that have been isolated from anything that may lead them to think for themselves. It's sad.
- limpl0uie, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2I'll bring the Jack
- rarson, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1They will surely argue that he promoted homosexuality by playing one on the big screen, but the reality is that they can't tell the difference between movies and real life.
- oxdeltaxo, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2I'd wanna see anon in on this, finish off $scientology then I'd pay to see what they would do to wbc.
- SwedishNinja, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Don't try and use logic. They picketed the victims of the Minneapolis Bridge collapse funerals because Minnesota gives money to a gay charity or something retarded like that.
- unicronband, on 01/23/2008, -2/+119I'm thinking "Will it Blend?: WBC Edition"
- trotskyist, on 01/23/2008, -5/+210Like I posted in the other story, I honestly don't think words can accurately describe my disgust.
The membership of this church is a disgrace not only to the true teachings that Christianity supposedly stands for, but the human race as a whole.- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -12/+17"Those who believe in absurdities, commit atrocities" - Voltaire
- shaka776, on 01/23/2008, -20/+8"I can stick a somewhat appropriate comment anywhere and hope it will get dugg." - shaka776
- commernie, on 01/23/2008, -11/+5I don't understand The flyer quotes the bible, doesn't it? Isn't the bible full of the teachings of Christianity? How is it a disgrace to what Christianity supposedly stands for? It seems perfectly consistent to me.
- Chiko, on 01/23/2008, -0/+10Well Christians don't approve of homosexuality, but the bible doesn't say anything about doing things as disgusting as protesting at someones funeral. And the bible says to love your even your enemy. Although I'm not Christian, I know enough to say that those people are not True Christians, considering their actions.
- tomee, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3The meaning of "True Christian" has changed over time, and means different things to different people, depending on what they consider important. If you ask me, that makes the phrase meaningless. Now if they were true humanitarians or something, that would be meaningful. And they are clearly not true humanitarians.
- DarKnyht, on 01/23/2008, -2/+3Well the flyer does quote the Bible, however it takes the quotes out of context. I can make the Bible say all kinds of fun things if I cherry pick the scriptures I use and not put them into their proper context. An example of this is that the Bible says "And throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed; and he went and hanged himself.", Matt 27:5 and "Jesus told him, 'Go and do likewise.'"" Luke 10:37. If you put that together than everyone should be hanging themselves because Jesus told us to.
The passage from Lev 18:22 was part of the Law given to the Jewish nation. It was their societal code based on the fact their were to be a priestly nation for the world. The scripture in Ephesians is part of instructions to believers (not non-believers on how to conduct themselves), again because we have been made holy before God.
God loves all of his creation, he just cannot abide by the sin in our lives. If you really want to go there homosexuality is no different than adultery, murder or even lying in the eyes of God. There is no sin-scale to God, that is something mankind has created.
If they were really Christians they would be showing Christ's love to their neighbors. "Love your enemies" and all of that. - carbonetc, on 01/23/2008, -2/+5This is why a part of me likes the WBC. They do a good job of demonstrating what a life lived by biblical standards REALLY looks like. They cherry-pick too (ignoring the love thy neighbor parts and all that), but they cherry-pick less than most. Their philosophy, horrid as it is, isn't blurred and watered down like the typical wishy-washy churchgoer's.
It seems to me that the people trying to raise the bible to modern ethical and intellectual standards, by getting more and more liberal and abstract with their interpretations of it, are the people truly distorting the "word of God" and redefining what Christianity is.
Seriously... the book can't be perfect and revisable at the same time.- commernie, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3That's exactly my point. Modern Christianity doesn't make any sense. A lot of people nowadays call themselves Christians, but they disregard the most awful ***** in the Bible, even though it's supposed to be "the word of god". As you pointed out, this is inconsistent.
I think people who believe in "god" but don't follow the bible should just stop calling themselves Christians. By adhering to Christianity, they are somehow giving legitimacy to organizations like the WBC. Besides, why would anybody want to be associated with scum like that? - OUChevelleSS, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1Dude...you're stupid.
- LlamaKing, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2And as Dawkings put it, you can't just nit pick the parts of the bible that sound good. It just gives people an excuse for making their own laws and claiming its because of their religion.
- commernie, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3That's exactly my point. Modern Christianity doesn't make any sense. A lot of people nowadays call themselves Christians, but they disregard the most awful ***** in the Bible, even though it's supposed to be "the word of god". As you pointed out, this is inconsistent.
- Chiko, on 01/23/2008, -0/+10Well Christians don't approve of homosexuality, but the bible doesn't say anything about doing things as disgusting as protesting at someones funeral. And the bible says to love your even your enemy. Although I'm not Christian, I know enough to say that those people are not True Christians, considering their actions.
- westkoast, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3Does anyone have a link that points to this being real? Its disgusting all the same (whomever made this should be ashamed), I'm just always skeptical about some flyer in JPG format on photobucket.
- secrity, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2It should be on their website, http://www.godhatesfags.com Their site seems to be down for some reason. The flyer looks legitimate, they send them in jpg format, and this is exactly something that these Christians would do.
- Incomp3tnt, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Some reason. Oh anonymous, we do love you.
- Psytherium, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1They are far from being Christ-followers.
- secrity, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2It should be on their website, http://www.godhatesfags.com Their site seems to be down for some reason. The flyer looks legitimate, they send them in jpg format, and this is exactly something that these Christians would do.
- calon9, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3I dislike Scientology and fanatical religious following in general. But all things considered, Anonymous should've waged an all out war on these flakes instead.
- Hincapie, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1intolerant assholes
- mikehrp, on 01/24/2008, -4/+1http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/2215205187_1a8 ...
equally sad
- khail250, on 01/23/2008, -12/+17"Those who believe in absurdities, commit atrocities" - Voltaire
- Tunguska, on 01/23/2008, -21/+9No respect. A man should be able to RIP.
As the Brokeback Mountain crowd would say: "Heath Ledgerndary" (say it)- wattznext, on 01/23/2008, -1/+25That's a terrible pun
- Sabrielle, on 01/23/2008, -6/+0You're only repeating yourself.
- Smokersroom, on 01/23/2008, -4/+2Brokeback Mountain Crowd? Do you mean Gays?
- wattznext, on 01/23/2008, -1/+25That's a terrible pun
- richmessenger, on 01/23/2008, -6/+227I can't believe someone would act this way in the name of any religion. One day they will see they wasted their time filling their lives with hate.
- Waskonator, on 01/23/2008, -2/+113If your church's MAIN WEBSITE is www.godhatesfags.com, you aren't a church; you're a hate group.
Grrrrr these ***** make me mad.- mufasa, on 01/23/2008, -1/+4Can't someone hack that site to hell!?
- dondara, on 01/23/2008, -0/+4It's been done but they just keep popping back up like the ***** roaches they are. I think it is time to have some fun with them. If all the /i/ 's put their minds together, it would be cake. I think the IRS should be brought to bear on these clowns. I'm sure somewhere there is a chink in their tax shelter armour, we need to find that.
- kyouteki, on 01/23/2008, -0/+6I hate fags, too. The smoke really messes with my asthma.
- mufasa, on 01/23/2008, -1/+4Can't someone hack that site to hell!?
- markormesher, on 01/23/2008, -2/+8seeing as people blow themselves up in the name of their religion, I'm pretty sure that this is not as bad.
- koft, on 01/23/2008, -10/+11This is what religion is all about.
- IglooBurner, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1you clearly don't know what religion is all about.
- fireman452, on 01/26/2008, -0/+0no and of course you do - Mark Twain said it best - members of churches are all very ready to put down and destroy what is sacred to others but can not themselves understand why or WHY it happens to THEIR church and THEIR God - maybe we all should be a little less sure and a little more tolerant
- IglooBurner, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1you clearly don't know what religion is all about.
- bbqsalad, on 01/23/2008, -17/+3They have every right to do this. I will fight for there right.
- banq59, on 01/23/2008, -0/+14I will fight for your right to learn grammar.
- kjajames, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3That is heartless, respect should be paid this man. His funeral should be a sanctuary for that respect. In my opinion, the protest should be considered a public disturbance and should not take place. Plus, what the hell could they be protesting?
Screw off Westboro Baptist. This church is beyond ridiculous. - logicalnoise, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1I agree they have every right to talk but should have to stand at least 5 miles away from any funeral.
- sfgeek, on 01/23/2008, -3/+10People have done far, far worse in the name of religion. Look at the spread of fascism, it was backed and supported in countless countries by the Catholic church, and nearly every death in Iraq is because of relgious reasons. These people just preach hate, in many cases people are cutting off heads because of religion.
Would an Atheist cut off your head because he disagreed with you?- Myonosken, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2If he was a nutter perhaps.
- leadingzero, on 01/23/2008, -2/+9If he was Pol Pot or Stalin perhaps.
- IglooBurner, on 01/23/2008, -0/+7or mao
- radix2, on 01/26/2008, -0/+1An atheist might cut off your head. But not because he was an atheist. He might do it if he was mentally disturbed in some way. Come on dude. I'm an atheist, but I don't think we are perfect as a "group" either. Now the athorists however... That is another thing..
- secrity, on 01/23/2008, -7/+2Just good old fashioned Christian love.
- DiggerUpper, on 01/23/2008, -1/+3In this case, just good old fashioned hypocrite love.
- lalop, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Most likely they won't
- jbeezer, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5I work in downtown Topeka, and many mornings I have to walk past 6-12 of the Phelps kids holding his signs saying 'God hates fags' etc. I never see old man Phelps out there myself. These are young kids too, some of them don't look any older than 5. Poor kids are in for the shock of their lifetime when they growup and realize how they were taken advantage of.
- ukfoole, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah.. the Phelps laugh all the way to the bank for sueing people.
- ncc74656m, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1The next time you see them, inform them that I'm going to kill them and their whole family. God hates people who take his name in vain far more than "fags."
- jbeezer, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Will do, although I'd probably get sued into oblivion. Small price to pay really if you actually do kill them
- Waskonator, on 01/23/2008, -2/+113If your church's MAIN WEBSITE is www.godhatesfags.com, you aren't a church; you're a hate group.
- Philosomatika, on 01/23/2008, -19/+135This makes me sick. Religious nut jobs need to be snuffed out.
- SuperWinner, on 01/23/2008, -19/+8The problem with faith is that is harbors extremism. If you want the extremists gone, you have to get rid of the whole thing.
- srhus15, on 01/23/2008, -4/+16these people are not extremists. extremists believe in something and take it too far, these people just hate and use religion as a facade
- gummih, on 01/23/2008, -2/+19Are you sure it's not the other way around? Extremists use religion as a tool.
- shinythingy, on 01/23/2008, -1/+10No, religion is the tool that these people use. They are just *****
- andycr512, on 01/23/2008, -2/+10"you have to get rid of the whole thing."
What's this? Someone complaining about extremism and advocating the use of extremism to get rid of it? - typicalusername, on 01/23/2008, -3/+2Yay! Go diggers who don't automatically bash anything "religious"
- HonestAbe, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2"Religious nut jobs need to be snuffed out." Nope. No extremism there.
Extremism has nothing to do with religion OR lack of religion. It's an orthogonal problem. - JigoroKano, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1There is actually a salient argument here that Sam Harris makes a bit more eloquently. Basically these people are doing foul deeds because (according to them) an invisible spirit instructs them to. And we are hampered in criticizing their entire world view because religious moderates give normalcy to believing in invisible spirits and taking orders from them. In this sense, religious moderates give cover to religious extremists in that they validate their bogus epistemology.
- ElAssoWipo, on 01/23/2008, -20/+16The only difference between these people and other religious people is that they speak out loud.
- bbqsalad, on 01/23/2008, -9/+5Not sure why you were dugg down.. You are completely correct.
- kjajames, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2No, not exactly. I attend a non-denominational Christian church, and sort of a calvinist.
But the Westboro Baptist Church are (I am going to use some secular lingo) *****.- ElAssoWipo, on 01/23/2008, -1/+1Christian and calvinist = denominations.
- keenfrenzy, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Actually, no. Christianity is a religion, not a denomination. Non-denominational means they don't adhere to an established doctrine dictated by any of the denominational associations such as the Lutherans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, etc. It means the pastor is free to preach according to his own interpretation of the Bible and the people are free to agree or disagree. What kjajames is saying is that he personally leans toward a Calvinist belief system. And just so there's no misinterpreting my post as another "religious nut" let me assure you that I am a Christian and I think these WBC folks are complete phonies and a complete misrepresentation of what Christianity is meant to be. Jesus taught truth, acceptance, love and peace.
- kjajames, on 01/23/2008, -1/+2No, not exactly. I attend a non-denominational Christian church, and sort of a calvinist.
- gametavern, on 01/23/2008, -0/+12not all christians believe homosexuals and their "enablers" are sinners. Get a grip man.
- CoolWind, on 01/23/2008, -0/+5certainly the gay Christians don't
- elint6, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1I'm not Christian. so can you please explain whether those Biblical quotes are accurate?
- darkcooger, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2@elint6: They are, but keep in mind that Christians subscribe to Christ's teachings which supersedes the law as told to Moses. The old law says that people are to carry out the punishments against other people, but the new law says we have no right to judge because we are imperfect ourselves.
I view homosexuality like this. First, homosexual desire (e.g., one man's desire for another man) is not sinful, and the Bible never indicates that it is - it condemns the actions following the desire, not the desire itself. Second, assuming that homosexual activity is a sin, it is no worse of a sin than any other and should not be set apart. The Bible says that "the wages of sin is death" and does not say, "the wages of some sins is death, but the wages of other sins is a few minutes in time-out." So basically, it's saying that sin is sin is sin (in terms of punishment).
Given that, I find it hard to justify some Christians' attitude towards homosexuality. It's a sin just like eating too much. It's a sin just like cursing. It's a sin just like gossiping. They all carry the penalty of hell, and they can all be forgiven, so what's the big deal about this one particular sin?
For what it's worth, I find it odd that Christians are so hung up on sexual sins in general. - JigoroKano, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3@elint6
The bible quotes are accurate. They come from the Old Testament which contains Judaic Law that Christianity is rooted in.
@darkcooger
Matthew 5:17, “I am come Not to Destroy the Law or the prophets. I am come Not to destroy, but to fulfill.”- darkcooger, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Indeed, Christ is the fulfillment of the law. He is THE judge. :)
- ElAssoWipo, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2Not all religions are christianity. Not all christians read the bible. Not all oppressed are gay.
Pick your topic: human rights, rights of women, abortion, stem cell research, evolution, cosmology, history, racism, jihad, etc.
- bbqsalad, on 01/23/2008, -9/+5Not sure why you were dugg down.. You are completely correct.
- dafragsta, on 01/23/2008, -9/+5Thou shalt not make Greek Gods, then Roman Gods, then One God, and all the other Gods of the world that conflict, and yet no one can prove any particular one exists, yet they all insist they are right. Organize religion is for the sheeplike morons who've never once taken a hard look at the science in front of their noses.
If you base your existence on something that is arbitrary, you are not a rational person.- keenfrenzy, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2To discredit or dismiss an idea just because you have not personally observed it can also be considered irrational. I don't doubt the existence of the planet Jupiter, but I've certainly never seen it. I rely on the word of those who have seen it to know it exists.
- dafragsta, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1You're missing the point. People don't accept that Jupiter exists in a different state and with varying powers and rules that govern them based on where they are born. Religion is the ***** that you're fed as a small child and you accept it because every authority figure in your early life might as well be God, because few children ever question the sanity of their parents, even if they are certifiably insane. This is why we have hate and intolerance in the world, and that's how it gets perpetuated.
Jupiter exists. No one has an interest in creating a mythology surronding it that varies from one person or group of people to the next. The world is big enough for these ideas, but if someone said the planet Jupiter had told them that only one person was truly righteous and that person should kill all infidels, then the rest of the world would unite in calling that person "***** crazy."
Religion is observed to varying degrees, with varying beliefs, with no one unified belief. If you think that your religion is right and everyone else is wrong, you're living in a self-enforced delusion and you believe in something that is divisive and irrational. Nothing you can say can change that because you are basing your beliefs on something with no evidence. People have taken pictures of Jupiter and looked at it in the night sky. Try again.
- dafragsta, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1You're missing the point. People don't accept that Jupiter exists in a different state and with varying powers and rules that govern them based on where they are born. Religion is the ***** that you're fed as a small child and you accept it because every authority figure in your early life might as well be God, because few children ever question the sanity of their parents, even if they are certifiably insane. This is why we have hate and intolerance in the world, and that's how it gets perpetuated.
- keenfrenzy, on 01/23/2008, -0/+2To discredit or dismiss an idea just because you have not personally observed it can also be considered irrational. I don't doubt the existence of the planet Jupiter, but I've certainly never seen it. I rely on the word of those who have seen it to know it exists.
- zoom1928, on 01/23/2008, -5/+15Pay attention to the news. They're not religious nuts. They're not even religious. They're a political group that pulls these stunts as an attempt to make Christians look bad. Don't you understand the concept of a troll? You're posting on Digg so you should have picked-up on that concept.
- bicyclethief, on 01/23/2008, -7/+3Proof?
Some Christians-- not all-- make themselves look bad. You really think it takes a fake group? - JigoroKano, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1If you were to listen to interviews with them, it becomes pretty clear that they really do believe what they have to say. Their world view is quite coherent and well thought out as well, probably much more so than the vast majority of Christians.
I believe there was an interview on the Infidel Guy if anyone is interested.
- bicyclethief, on 01/23/2008, -7/+3Proof?
- 24imac, on 01/23/2008, -1/+8I believe in God, and at the same time, I also believe those people are going to far. I was disgusted when I read their ad. That is wrong.
- HonestAbe, on 01/23/2008, -2/+1Maybe you should protest their funerals.
- elint6, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1I'd rejoice instead.
- Ireland, on 01/23/2008, -1/+5Religious nut jobs?
This has nothing to do with religion. It's kind of like the way Scientologists call that thing a "church". Free speech is one thing, but I think it's high time the *****' government stopped these mind-bending ***** hole cults. - allengeer, on 01/23/2008, -0/+3its not a church of religious nutjobs, its a church of lawyers. and the lawyers commit these harsh tests of free speech and wait for someone to stop them from practicing their first amendment right, they sue them and then score a settlement. All their writings are intended to make people interfere in the right to practice free speech.
- colonelbuckshot, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1You saying they need to be wiped out? Just ignore them. The bottom line is that everyone has a right to their religion and to peaceful assembly.
- Rich711, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Your rights as an American only exist so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights. You can't yell fire in a movie theater because it may cause a panic which could result in people coming to harm trying to get out. But you are also not allowed to talk about terrorism, bombs, etc anywhere and anytime you like, for example, on a plane where no one can get out so it is not a matter of panic but mental distress. So they have the right to speak but due to distress they should not be allowed to speak there at that time. Plus this is Australia so I hope their laws are lenient on people who open a can of whoop-ass on hateful crazy blasphemous protesters.
- Rich711, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1Your rights as an American only exist so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights. You can't yell fire in a movie theater because it may cause a panic which could result in people coming to harm trying to get out. But you are also not allowed to talk about terrorism, bombs, etc anywhere and anytime you like, for example, on a plane where no one can get out so it is not a matter of panic but mental distress. So they have the right to speak but due to distress they should not be allowed to speak there at that time. Plus this is Australia so I hope their laws are lenient on people who open a can of whoop-ass on hateful crazy blasphemous protesters.
- Rich711, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1This is beyond religious nutjob. This is a family that made their own church. I'm not joking when I say it appears mental illness runs in the family. Then there's the issue of the reporter (find it on youtube) who asked the woman who leads the church "does your son know who his father is?" The woman shut up like she'd been slapped in the face. He turned to the adult son and asked, "Has your mother told you who your father is?" ...There's never an answer on the documentary but I am dying to know. I'm guessing her crazy father that started the church.
- ZeRux, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1It doesn't matter if you're a religious or anti-religious lunatic since you're a lunatic above all else.
- Dibou, on 01/24/2008, -0/+1You think people should be killed because of a protest?! These people should be ignored and you go calling for their death.
- SuperWinner, on 01/23/2008, -19/+8The problem with faith is that is harbors extremism. If you want the extremists gone, you have to get rid of the whole thing.
- dontaskagain, on 01/23/2008, -4/+91I can't decide who's worse, Westboro Baptist Church or Scientology on the scale of; People really believe this *****?
It's such a paradox to believe they are trying to change the world because god's pissed off when supposedly god made the world in his Infinite wisdom. It's c
