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100 Must-Read Books: The Essential Man’s Library
artofmanliness.com — There are the books you read, and then there are the books that change your life. We can all look back on the books that have shaped our perspective on politics, religion, money and love. Some will even become a source of inspiration for the rest of your life. From a seemingly infinite list of books of anecdotal or literal merit, we have narrowed..
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- psiaii, on 05/14/2008, -47/+13I like "The Great Gatsby" the movie more than the book
- rlray216, on 05/14/2008, -2/+19You gotta be kidding. The book was far better than the movie, and the casting of Redford sorta missed the whole point of the character too.
- ozroy, on 05/14/2008, -9/+14I thought they were both equally boring.
- freeth1nker, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4The Great Gatsby is an excellent tool for diagnosing children with ADD.
- cathars1s, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5philistine.
- debuggercll, on 05/14/2008, -13/+7Wtf is a book?
- DangerMouse9, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10Do you think it's funny to be retarded?
- shandyism, on 05/15/2008, -4/+1do you think it's funny to use the word "retarded"?
- xokas11, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3they are like porn magazines but with hard covers and usually no pictures
- DangerMouse9, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10Do you think it's funny to be retarded?
- robthom, on 05/14/2008, -8/+3Haha you got dugg down because fanboys think liking the book more than the movie makes them look intellectual. Like bitches with granny glasses.
- unique172, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Nobody cares.
- KeepOffMyLawn, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2You obviously have no basic understanding of literature.
- lucidguru, on 05/14/2008, -51/+30Very good list... I know I've seen most of these books available for free online before.
How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carnegie -- An odd one to include
Beyond Good and Evil by Freidrich Nietzsche -- great but exhausting to understand and get through
The Federalist Papers by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison -- A MUST read for most ignorant Americans
The Bible -- not worth reading.- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -4/+3How To Win Friends And Influence People was a great book, but I liked Winning Through Intimidation better
- quaunaut, on 05/14/2008, -2/+11Since when is The Bible not worth reading? It has some of the most scandalous stories and grand subject matter out there.
Regardless...damn, this list is good. All the books I *could* try and reccomend...are on it, being reccomended. /love- gutistg, on 05/14/2008, -9/+3The bible only needs to be one sentence long:
Treat others how you would like to be treated. - quaunaut, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6Problem is, is that then you would miss out on King David and the murder of a man for his wife(yet still being named a man after god's own heart), or the story of how another King tried to kill John of Patmos via dozens of methods, none of them working, even working his way up to throwing him into a vat of acid, and that failing, before just throwing him on an Island. Or the countless wars, or the character decisions...it cannot be summed up.
- gutistg, on 05/14/2008, -5/+2The bible is full of contradictions. It's best not to attribute them to the intentions of the authors, but rather to bad writing.
- sega01, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1http://web.comhem.se/~u18208324/min/contrad.htm
- DangerMouse9, on 05/14/2008, -2/+1Maybe you should also read the Koran.
- Tebixan, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2@gutistg - If that were true, christianity probably wouldn't have taken off like it did. The masses want an authoritarian figure to tell them what to do, because it makes decisions easier. Additionally, without the threat of hell & promise of heaven, the religion would not have had the power to control people that it does, and the masses would not have obeyed.
- gutistg, on 05/14/2008, -9/+3The bible only needs to be one sentence long:
- quaunaut, on 05/14/2008, -2/+11Since when is The Bible not worth reading? It has some of the most scandalous stories and grand subject matter out there.
- lennybird, on 05/14/2008, -5/+13Currently listening to Atlas Shrugged unabridged, and I'm loving it. Don't believe that a story about a trans-continental railroad spanning 1000+ pages is boring.... It has so much more meaning behind it.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9Just wait till you get till the end...there's literally an 80 page monologue that retells you all the information that you've picked up in the first thousand pages. I loved the book, but getting through that part was grueling.
One benefit to that though is that after you finish reading it, if you ever want to go back and brush up on the story again, well, you only need to read that small chunk. - suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -2/+11she completely ripped that book off Garet Garrett's excellent The Driver which is 700 pages fewer and available for free online at mises.org
- theshizzler, on 05/14/2008, -2/+6Atlas Shrugged is one of my favorite books, but I had never heard of The Driver until now. After reading the synopsis I can only conclude that Rand plagiarized the living ***** out of this.
- AlextheK, on 05/14/2008, -0/+11And she ripped of Zamatian's WE in order to write ANTHEM, too. Rand is only considered important by Rand cultists. No one else has any respect for her, either as a novelist or a philosopher. She was quite the legend in her own mind.
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2"Q: Libertarians advocate the politics you advocate. So why are you opposed to the Libertarian Party? [FHF: 'Egalitarianism and Inflation,' 1974]
AR: They are not defenders of capitalism. They’re a group of publicity seekers who rush into politics prematurely, because they allegedly want to educate people through a political campaign, which can’t be done. Further, their leadership consists of men of every of persuasion, from religious conservatives to anarchists. Moreover, most of them are my enemies: they spend their time denouncing me, while plagiarizing my ideas. Now, I think it’s a bad beginning for an allegedly pro-capitalist party to start by stealing ideas."
"Q: Do you think Libertarians communicate the ideas of freedom and capitalism effectively? [Q&A following LP’s 'Objective Communication,' Lecture 1, 1980]
AR: I don’t think plagiarists are effective. I’ve read nothing by a Libertarian (when I read them, in the early years) that wasn’t my ideas badly mishandled—i.e., had the teeth pulled out of them—with no credit given. I didn’t know whether I should be glad that no credit was given, or disgusted. I felt both. They are perhaps the worst political group today, because they can do the most harm to capitalism, by making it disreputable."
"Q: Why don’t you approve of the Libertarians, thousands of whom are loyal readers of your works? [FHF: 'The Age of Mediocrity,' 1981]
AR: Because Libertarians are a monstrous, disgusting bunch of people: they plagiarize my ideas when that fits their purpose, and they denounce me in a more vicious manner than any communist publication, when that fits their purpose. They are lower than any pragmatists, and what they hold against Objectivism is morality. They’d like to have an amoral political program."
Hypocrite? No… "Ayn Rand is the greatest person that has ever lived or ever shall live."
See also: The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2"Q: Libertarians advocate the politics you advocate. So why are you opposed to the Libertarian Party? [FHF: 'Egalitarianism and Inflation,' 1974]
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4 BTW here is the link to The Driver - highly rec'd by me:
http://mises.org/books/driver.pdf
- Tebixan, on 05/14/2008, -3/+2I tried to read The Fountainhead, but just couldn't get into it. I think if you don't agree with her philosophy, it's hard to really stick with the book. After trudging through it for a while, I misplaced the book, and haven't really cared enough to find it or get another copy.
- SpencerMc, on 05/14/2008, -5/+5Self serving, hypocritical, apologist ***** spread thinly over way too many pages.
Ayn Rand is useless except as a counter example to intellectual honesty and well developed thought. - BabyWookie, on 05/14/2008, -4/+8How can you love something that's so poorly written? I mean, it has some interesting concepts and ideas, for sure, but it reads like something an emo college freshman would write for his English 101 class. It blows my mind how Ayn Rand and L. Ron Hubbard, both created powerful cults based around their writings, while being some of the worst sci-fi writers to have ever gotten as much mainstream recognition.
- oneoverzero, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Well, Ayn Rand is hardly scifi, and the Ayn Rand cult isn't really a cult in the same way Scientology is a cult.
- lennybird, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Writing a story - fictional at that, isn't as... grammar or "proper" bound as say an academic essay. In what ways is it poorly written? I understand the atmosphere, I get the meaning and feel the (literary term) roundness of the characters.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9Just wait till you get till the end...there's literally an 80 page monologue that retells you all the information that you've picked up in the first thousand pages. I loved the book, but getting through that part was grueling.
- Wetzilla, on 05/14/2008, -7/+95The bible is definitely worth reading, if only for the literary references alone. I don't see how you can say a book that has had so much influence on the western world isn't worth reading.
- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -19/+3Just because a book has been influential doesn't necessarily mean it's worth reading. I shouldn't have to provide an example. On the other hand, consider that the bible really WASN'T influential because far too many believers have never really read it (or didn't really understand it).
You're bang-on about the literary references though!- cathars1s, on 05/14/2008, -0/+15go ahead, provide a counterexample.
influential books are exactly the type that should be read.- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -6/+1Anything written by Bill O'Rielly.
- Tebixan, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9There's a difference between selling a lot of books and being influential. Tom Clancy and Stephen King might be entertaining, but they have had little real impact on society. Bill O'Reilly is nothing more than entertainment for the right wing.
Even if few Christians truely understand the Bible, it is the basis for their core beliefs. At least the church leaders have read the Bible, and they tell all the followers what to believe. So reading the Bible would help a non X-tian understand why the do some of the things they do. Plus, when you get into a debate with them, you can defeat them with their own book.
Just like if we had read Mein Kamph (spelling?) back in WW2, we might have had an easier time dealing with Hitler. Understanding your opponent gives you the advantage. - robthom, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Lol @ comparing a bill o'reilly book to the bible.
- DangerMouse9, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4Mein Kampf
- chavarin, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1most liberals don't understand their positions either. they go with what feels right, and Christians feel right about the bible. It's an amazing text that takes a lot of in depth study to even partially appreciate it's masterful storytelling and historical accuracies. Not every Christian makes it their business to do that but that doesn't make it any less worthy.
it just goes to show, people don't care about an opposing view point- they would rather listen to the sounds of their own voices than then open up their minds.
- dave122, on 05/14/2008, -3/+16I am about as anti-christian as you can get, and the bible IS an important book to read. False or not you cannot deny the impact it has had on our culture.
- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -7/+1Dang! I managed to edit out a sentence and screwed up the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say that the bible was not influential in and of itself but the people who were holding UP the bible were influential. How many participants in the crusades, for example, read the bible? This was a world of illiterates in a world nearly devoid of books.
- CerpinTaxt2112, on 05/14/2008, -2/+1I see we've all read Dawkins
- cathars1s, on 05/14/2008, -0/+15go ahead, provide a counterexample.
- ostracize, on 05/14/2008, -1/+13And just like the list says, it's essential reading *because* nobody reads it. A lot of people (*especially* Christians) *think* they know what it says but have not taken the time to actually read and understand it.
- dave122, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3ask fundies what the 10 commandments are. It's really quite funny, i'd say a good 80% of the time I have asked people this they can't name them all.
- Tigress74, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Taking away the whole "religious" aspect of the bible it is a work of literature.
- Fullvinyl, on 05/14/2008, -0/+11Exactly. I gave up Christianity at 20, but I still read it. Hell, in a religion class I took last year, I knew more about Christianity than the supposed "real" Christians.
- robthom, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Did you grow up in a house were they made you study it and then you rebelled when you became of age?
That can happen.
- robthom, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Did you grow up in a house were they made you study it and then you rebelled when you became of age?
- taradisiac, on 05/14/2008, -10/+6The Bible is full of atrocities, crimes and hateful acts. It makes me sick. I only read enjoyable stuff.
Plus it's all lies. Idiots being swayed by something doesn't make it worth my time.- robthom, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6Wow your so cool.
- taradisiac, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1Thanks man!
- frisk415, on 05/14/2008, -0/+8It may be full of lies and "hateful acts," but if you want to remain ignorant about (arguably) the most important book ever written then be my guest.
- Nobi-Wan, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5Good luck living in your safe little bubble-wrapped world. It's full of atrocities, crimes and hateful acts because that's the way the world is. It's also got a message of, you know.... love.
You're definitely one of those "glass is half-empty" kind of characters, aren't you?
- robthom, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6Wow your so cool.
- kaelyiesta, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Influential liturature, sure. Interesting in some literary way, no. The stories in the bible read like old school fairy tales(the ones that ended badly and were meant to scare children, not the disney modified ones) and there aren't any of the literary devices used like in any of the truly great fictional novels. Don't even suggest historical value, the more evidence that comes to light, the more the bible is shown to be lacking in historical accuracy as well.
Influence comes in many forms. Britney Spears is influential. Should that be the metric I use to determine what music to listen to? Kill me now if the answer is yes.
- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -19/+3Just because a book has been influential doesn't necessarily mean it's worth reading. I shouldn't have to provide an example. On the other hand, consider that the bible really WASN'T influential because far too many believers have never really read it (or didn't really understand it).
- ozroy, on 05/14/2008, -2/+10Hamlet is a weird one I think. It's a play, and as such needs to be watched and performed to appreciate.
- cathars1s, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Hamlet is actually better in text; it's a little bit too long to watch in one sitting and anyways it's barely ever performed unabridged since it's so long.
- employeeno5, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Not if it's performed well. I'll tell you though, it is truly almost impossible to find Shakespeare performed and directed by talented people who really have a deep understanding of the text and a good artistic vision for it. That said, if you actually ever encounter it, it will blow your mind.
In the mean time, it sure doesn't hurt to read.
But I agree that plays really do need to be seen in proper context to experience their proper weight and power. The difference it can make is staggering.
Seeing good theatre is a rarity in most places though. Imagine if someone with no real talent or eye from film tried to remake a classic film and then I asked you to judge the quality of idea and art of the original based on that? Or instead if I just gave you the script to read?
When someone brings the play Hamlet "to life" in way that is truly honest and vital, it's a shockingly powerful piece of art. It doesn't feel too long to watch.
All of that said, the best performance I ever saw was in fact an abridged one. It was a Peter Brook project that performed in the States at B.A.M.
I think when you're Peter Brook though you have a bit more talent and experience at choosing how and why to abridge Shakespeare. - mewho, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2It's performed all the freaking time--try the local university or mid-sized theatre company. It runs about 3 hours normally, but people have interesting takes on it and it pull in crowds.
- employeeno5, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Not if it's performed well. I'll tell you though, it is truly almost impossible to find Shakespeare performed and directed by talented people who really have a deep understanding of the text and a good artistic vision for it. That said, if you actually ever encounter it, it will blow your mind.
- Tyrghast, on 05/14/2008, -2/+5I really really really like Hamlet and Macbeth better when reading them. My imagination > The interpretation of the director and actors.
- ozroy, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3But that's the thing. You imagination is always the same. Seeing other people's interpretation can give you a whole new appreciation for the text.
- cathars1s, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Hamlet is actually better in text; it's a little bit too long to watch in one sitting and anyways it's barely ever performed unabridged since it's so long.
- aidave, on 05/14/2008, -5/+11This is an well-made list but it focuses predominantly on fiction.
A *real* man's library should have alot of non-fiction, and thought-provoking controversial theories.
Where is Einstein, Darwin, Feynman, McKenna, Strassman, etc?
Also, if you are gonna have the Bible, have the balls to pick up the Koran, Buddhist Scriptures, and other religious texts.- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4McKenna and Strassman are pretty far into the realm of, "special interest" I'd say. I find McKenna interesting mostly on the basis that he answers the question "what happens when you take an old hippie with a high IQ and have him never stop tripping or writing books". In that genre of writers I much prefer Robert Anton Wilson. He didn't obsess so much over the psychedelic experience itself - especially in his later books, but instead developed a very meaningful and grounded (and humorous) philosophy out of his experiences.
- Scottamus, on 05/14/2008, -3/+1Eckard Tolle "The Power of Now"
I'd go for mind altering spiritual than egocentric religion any day. - robthom, on 05/14/2008, -9/+1"The Bible -- not worth reading."
Wow, the "intellectual" Christianity basher. The jews must get a hard on watching you trip over yourself to lick their boots.
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -4/+3How To Win Friends And Influence People was a great book, but I liked Winning Through Intimidation better
- profvegas, on 05/14/2008, -26/+30Great list, very creative with the image headers. Philosophical selection seems a bit narrow and antiquated. I'd suggest some Bertrand Russell or John Dewey to balance out the Rand, Nietzsche, Machiavelli, Milton... etc.. and speaking of Milton...
I was a little surprised by the inclusion of Paradise Lost, without a fairly strong grasp of the Bible and a lot of the deuterocanonical texts it really dosen’t make much sense.
I’d drop Paradise Lost and some of the Dostoyevsky to add in 1984 – another of Orwell’s classics. And toss in some Neal Stephenson – perhaps Snow Crash or his Baroque Cycle... at the least Cryptonomicon.- flashfry, on 05/14/2008, -6/+7I would disagree that you need familiarity with the Bible to make sense of Paradise Lost. In fact, PL uses about 10,000 lines to cover the plot of less than a page of Genesis (largely). Paradise Lost--like any great text, even satire--is self contained. And personally, I would add a few more texts by women and some more non-fiction, more contemporary stuff.... I mean cripes, I'm no feminist by a long shot, but this list reads like a who's who of 1950's canonical dead white lit. Not totally, but close. Would like to have seen more risk.
- Szandor, on 05/14/2008, -2/+5Although it is "artofMANliness.com", I think Flannery O'Connor would have been a strong inclusion.
- flashfry, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Yeah, even a "Man's Library" should contain a lot more variety than simply Franklin Mint Library titles.
- Szandor, on 05/14/2008, -2/+5Although it is "artofMANliness.com", I think Flannery O'Connor would have been a strong inclusion.
- br0ck, on 05/14/2008, -1/+13I agree with adding Orwell and Stephenson, but I absolutely disagree with dropping Dostoevsky to make room for them.
- random19, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Yeah thats where his comment lost me. Right at the point where he suggested getting rid of some of the Dostoevsky.
- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -0/+81984 is on the list. really good list in general, many of those are on my "to do" list already. but since this is supposed to be a "manly" list, I can think of a few that need to be on their too - there's a couple Steinbeck novels but no "Of Mice and Men" which to me is perhaps the mostly "manly" of his stories. How about "Endurance" by Alfred Lansing - the account of Shakeltons disastrous antarctic expedition. It's got lot's of Hemingway, which makes sense, but no "The Old Man and Sea" (pretty obvious choice!). "Desert Solitaire" by Edward Abbey. "Roughing It" by Mark Twain. "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad
- Fullvinyl, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6Thank you for mentioning "Of Mice and Men"; I thought that was a glaring omission from this list.
- scuvball, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3I just read the book and thoroughly enjoyed it, ergo I felt the same way. Seeing as about 5 of Steinbeck's novels were on the list, I wish they would have replaced Grapes of Wrath with Of Mice and Men.
- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4whoever put the list together seems to have a prejudice against novellas. personally, I find that shorter books sometimes have the greatest impact and show off a writers skill most clearly
- scuvball, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3I just read the book and thoroughly enjoyed it, ergo I felt the same way. Seeing as about 5 of Steinbeck's novels were on the list, I wish they would have replaced Grapes of Wrath with Of Mice and Men.
- Fullvinyl, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6Thank you for mentioning "Of Mice and Men"; I thought that was a glaring omission from this list.
- oxilite, on 05/14/2008, -2/+1I feel compelled to point out that simply reading these books, without much reflection on their meaning wont do much for anyone, except lead to many things being taken out of context.
Having said that I would also like to say that if most people read and understood the Wealth of Nations, our nation would be far better off. - LuckyKarma, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2The Bible is on the list too btw
- Donwangugi, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1The cool thing about this list is, there are many of them for which you do not have to spend a dime. You can read a lot of these on google books.
- vind, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Paradise Lost (and John Milton in general) is the second most influential poet--second only to Shakespeare, of course. Milton gave a new shape to the use of language and diction that is evident in all subsequent poetry, even up to William Carlos Williams. Beyond his influence, Milton's epic expresses the milieu of his age in the way that Dante's Comedy did his.
Milton has earned his position on every top 100 must read lists. - GregFD3S, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1I think this is one of the most consistent lists of books I have read. I have only read a few on the list, but it is nice to hear an opinion from somebody that knows what they are talking about.
- danconia, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Snow Crash definitely doesn't belong on the list IMO.
- rrbest, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4someone should do a torrent of digger suggested books
- JesseJ, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Books taste better on paper. In a park, on the beach, in a train, on the bus, in the sun.
- DarkAlchemist, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5My favorite part in your post is when you try to act like you know what you're talking about.
- urbancontra, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Seriously. Drop Paradise Lost for Neal Stephenson? wtf?
- ThickGreenPuke, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1the book that should top the list should have been "Revolt Against the Modern World" by Julius Evola.
- benecere, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0Or Voltaire's Candide which I think makes a great balance to "Atlas Shrugged" and it's extreme black/white Harlequin world.
- flashfry, on 05/14/2008, -6/+7I would disagree that you need familiarity with the Bible to make sense of Paradise Lost. In fact, PL uses about 10,000 lines to cover the plot of less than a page of Genesis (largely). Paradise Lost--like any great text, even satire--is self contained. And personally, I would add a few more texts by women and some more non-fiction, more contemporary stuff.... I mean cripes, I'm no feminist by a long shot, but this list reads like a who's who of 1950's canonical dead white lit. Not totally, but close. Would like to have seen more risk.
- cococooky, on 05/14/2008, -7/+46Top list, though I would have included the following:
Perfume by Patrick Süskind
The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck
The Lord of the Rings by Jrr Tolkien
I was going to say Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance should have been included, but there it was at the end.- jackieokennedy, on 05/14/2008, -8/+4LOTR i agree
but the PERFUME ? please. we're not sixteen.- DDBdestroyer, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5LOTR agreed - and some of his less famous work is also great - but im upset that "Dune" and "Time Enough For Love" werent included
- FatLoser, on 05/15/2008, -2/+1It's a list of books for Men, not a list of books for nerds with 256-sided die and a ream of used pencil and paper RPG pamphlets filed away in folders ORDER BY amount_of_fun_i_had ASC, date_played ASC, num_fags_playing DESC
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -0/+12Have you ever read Perfume? It's an amazing piece of fiction written almost entirely in olfactory narrative. Not to mention its sexy as ***** and insane. That said, I'm not sure I'd put it in the top 100 books to read either but to say it's for a 16 year old is moronic.
- DDBdestroyer, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5LOTR agreed - and some of his less famous work is also great - but im upset that "Dune" and "Time Enough For Love" werent included
- AmandaZampieri, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5I agreed with you.
Perfume must be on the list :) - blueomega137, on 05/14/2008, -2/+7I cant actually believe Lord the Rings wasnt included.. thats pretty shocking. Good list though.
- chiefbandit2200, on 05/14/2008, -4/+10I don't really consider LOTR a must read...
- Lythium, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9One of my friends once made a good point: you can appreciate a book for its contribution to contemporary literature without _actually_ liking the book itself. It made me feel better that, despite numerous wholehearted attempts to read the series, I could never bring myself to finish OR enjoy it.
- chiefbandit2200, on 05/14/2008, -4/+10I don't really consider LOTR a must read...
- gutistg, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5That list has too many Romantics and not enough Pynchon.
- oneoverzero, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Agreed.
Gravity's Rainbow, or at least The Crying of Lot 49 should be on this list.
- oneoverzero, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Agreed.
- indigit4l, on 05/14/2008, -2/+1In Cold Blood was missing. As well as Richard Simmons: Still Hungry After All These Years
- Tyrghast, on 05/14/2008, -2/+23I would have included The Zombie Survival Guide. I highly recommend it, it's much better to be informed and not need it than need it and not know what to do.
- theshizzler, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5I'll throw in 'Of Human Bondage', by W. Somerset Maugham. A good read.
- sgxyay, on 05/14/2008, -3/+8Lord of the Rings is a good story, but does it say anything significant? It's been a while since I read them.
- TheThirdLevel, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9I think it's epic in the sense that he built an entire ***** universe around it. If nothing, it's at least entertaining.
- Midoc, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10It's more significant than the Hobbit.
- cococooky, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1You took the words right out of my brain.
- evilunleashed, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6LOTR holds much significance, including loyalty and the value of true friendship, and the importance of pushing through adversity when everything seems hopeless.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2LOTR is more than a mere adventure. Its an epic struggle, about how evil and tyranny threatens to encompass the world, and how it must be resisted and fought by righteous will, and it gets into themes like sacrifice to the greater good. Come to think of it, I really like the epilogue to LOTR, because one finds even when you win, you lose. Or that the good guys don't always get everything their way. Its a metaphor to the "Great War". Its certainly a more important trilogy than reading the Hobbit.
- BetterOffEd, on 05/14/2008, -8/+16C'mon... Tolkien doesn't belong on this list. It's a guilty pleasure for sci-fi geeks at best. I LIKED IT, mind you. But all of these books are on another level.
- cococooky, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2The Hobbit is already on the list, at least replace it with one that is not a childrens novel.
- gudnbluts, on 05/14/2008, -2/+5It's one of the most influential books of the 20th century. Pretty much every fantasy story that came since was affected. It's also a great read, and very cleverly written. Tolkein's use of language is amazing.
- evlpanda, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Lord of the Rings is not a man's book. Teenager yes, man absolutely not. Besides it is not ...
... bloody hell. Reading the article at same time (sometimes comments are better) - that is a very. very lame list. I honestly read half of those books at high school, even primary school (I don't live in the U.S.).
Perhaps "100 Must Read Books - The Essential Young Man's Library" would be more appropriate.
Knowing the Digg audience I'd recommend, highly, American Psycho. "..est" *modern book I've ever read - funniest, weirdest, most violent etc etc. Shame about the violence in it really, most overlook it because of that.
Or Dostoevsky - deepest characters ever written.- Earendil1, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1"Lord of the Rings is not a man's book. Teenager yes, man absolutely not. "
O'Rly? But The Hobbit is a "man's book"? BTW: What exactly is a "man's book"?- TheThirdLevel, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Chuck Norris' biography.
- Earendil1, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1"Lord of the Rings is not a man's book. Teenager yes, man absolutely not. "
- evlpanda, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2NO, I'm an idiot. Somehow scrolling through I missed the good ones. A good list.
(But no, no way Lord of the Rings.) - hairydotus, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2tolkein is one of the greatest writers of all time. the man created an entire world so deep that it seems real. He created his own languages for crying out loud.
- Fission, on 05/14/2008, -0/+21Where the hell is Fahrenheit 451? That is one of the most well-written and thought-provoking books of the 20th century. So many movies and other books that deal with a post-apocalyptic world got their inspiration from it.
Also, where is Of Mice and Men? That book was so deep it was ridiculous. It's hard for a book to make you cry but I think everyone shed a tear when they got to the end.- gramathy, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5Most of the list I would agree with, but the exclusion of Fahrenheit 451 is the most glaring omission EVER.
Personally, i was worried about not seeing Catch-22 and 1984, but those both thankfully made the list.
- gramathy, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5Most of the list I would agree with, but the exclusion of Fahrenheit 451 is the most glaring omission EVER.
- frostedflakes, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3The song "Scentless Apprentice" was inspired by Perfume. It was supposedly one of Cobain's favorite books. I highly recommend it myself.
- ICSU, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2also Dracula
- history1me, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1The Monk by Matthew G. Lewis (A great book!)
- history1me, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1The Monk by Matthew G. Lewis (A great book!)
- Poochyfud, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I have no idea why "Candide" by Voltaire wasn't on the list.
- TheLastFreeMan, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2*Piggybacks by adding a book to your list*
Also, dugg for including the Good Earth. - Xander512, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2i had to read Night by Elie Wiesel earlier this year for a class....
it's an intense read but also a very memorable and important one for sure
- jackieokennedy, on 05/14/2008, -8/+4LOTR i agree
- mciampa1214, on 05/14/2008, -1/+107Only 1/5 of the way there. If I spent as much time reading as I did on Digg I'd probably be done by now.
- fugazied, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9I'm pretty surprised to find myself about 50% of the way there thanks to a bachelor of arts degree. But some of the books (lord of the flies for example), I haven't read since I was in my teens.
- drewsheldon01, on 05/14/2008, -10/+2I dont see how these books make you manly. A manly book would be the sas survival guide, chuck norris against all odds, steven colbert i am america and so can you, and The zombie survival guide
- mciampa1214, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6None of those are legitimate books, they're more like coffee table accessories. [SAS survival guide may actually be useful, but still not really literature]
- silversword990, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Don't read them just because this list told you to. "A truly good book teaches me better than to read it. I must soon lay it down, and commence living on its hint. What I began by reading, I must finish by acting." - Thoreau
- danconia, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2It's okay if we listen to them in audiobook form, right? Otherwise I'm not sure I'd be able to get through all of these books before I die...
- trcook01, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1With the ammount of time people spend in transit (subway, car, etc), I would hope so...
- pensivewombat, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2This list looks like my high school reading list. I'm pretty sure I read two thirds of these by the time i was eighteen, and that's in Alabama public schools. In other words, it's a pretty safe, boring list.
- gezgin, on 05/14/2008, -1/+34This is actually a pretty good list, and taking the time to photo the book covers brings it to life. I will avoid a 'dont judge a book by it's cover' joke at this point. Dharma Bums is great.
- nagual678, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Dharma Bums instead of On The Road ?
- dreiman7, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Kerouac got respect for both. This list makes me feel nostalgic...
- nagual678, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Dharma Bums instead of On The Road ?
- rlray216, on 05/14/2008, -5/+60I would have included Cat's Cradle instead of Slaughterhouse Five - to me it's a better choice from Vonnegut.
- Wetzilla, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Cat's Cradle also seems much more pertinent ( I think thats the right word) to our current times than Slaughterhouse Five, though both books are very much worth reading.
- rentmitchum, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2We would have also accepted relevant.
- wingo123, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6I totally agree. But I'm also glad they included 'Bluebeard'. Oft overlooked, but one of the most moving books ever written, IMHO.
- dwilljo, on 05/14/2008, -3/+7WTF R U CRAZY!?!?! Slaughterhouse five is a friggin masterpiece
- bwa236, on 05/14/2008, -0/+19...spoken as a true literary critic.
- Vodd9, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3I never thought so.
- CanceledCzech, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Really? I thought it was great, or at least I really enjoyed it. Though I've never read Cat's Cradle.
- mxmj, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Both are good, Cat's Cradle is just better.
- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -0/+19read both
- negativenancy, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Never!
- employeeno5, on 05/14/2008, -0/+13Slaughterhouse Five is a masterpiece, but Cat's Cradle is an even better book in my opinion. It's fast and easy read, but don't let that deceive you. I think it's Vonnegut's greatest work and I'm always disappointed that "Slaughterhouse Five" will end up on reading lists as the "one Vonnegut book you must read". I'm not saying that "Slaughterhouse Five" isn't one of the greatest books ever written; it's just that for me personally, if you could only hand one Vonnegut book to someone to read, and you knew that they would never be able to read another, I'd give them "Cat's Cradle".
- jiveturkeyblues, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1i have always felt the exact same way
- jankind, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Absolutely. 100% agree with you on that one. I suppose Slaughterhouse Five IS the masterpiece by most standards but I just enjoyed Cat's Cradle more...
- zombies187, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Galapagos is my favorite.
- jawbreaker4fs, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5I'd choose Sirens of Titan.
- acparks1, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0Man, I would've included *insert any Vonnegut novel here*, because they're all amazing.
- Wetzilla, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Cat's Cradle also seems much more pertinent ( I think thats the right word) to our current times than Slaughterhouse Five, though both books are very much worth reading.
- rlray216, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9I would have also included The Fool's Progress by Edward Abbey.
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -16/+53surprisingly good list, although I would just add that only the Old Testament is worth reading. There are some good stories of epic battles, venomous rage, deceit and revenge in there. The New Testament should have been dropped by the editors all together. It's totally repetitive and keeps going on about a guy named Jesus who always told unfunny stories and ultimately got himself thrown in prison, which is where I stopped reading.
- doublefelix, on 05/14/2008, -7/+62SPOILER ALERT ---- Jesus dies in the end.
- w00kiekrisp, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2What the hell man!?
- nartvq, on 05/14/2008, -3/+28SPOILER ALERT #2 --- Jesus comes back and the world ends as we know it.
- ostracize, on 05/14/2008, -12/+6The old testament doesn't make sense without the new. The new testament is the conclusion of everything that is talked about in the old.
- Lythium, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8You, uh, do know that the New Testament was added a couple THOUSAND years after the Old? (Hint: that's why the word "NEW" is in the name.) It made sense to several, SEVERAL generations as a stand-alone.....
- ostracize, on 05/14/2008, -3/+2Of course, but the old testament itself is a cliffhanger.
- ZeusLaughed, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4If you are a Christian, the "old testament" does not make sense without the new. However, if you adhere to one of the oldest extant religions (Judaism), the "old testament" makes a whole lot of sense on its own.
- BSeffrood, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2you're an idiot
- Lythium, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8You, uh, do know that the New Testament was added a couple THOUSAND years after the Old? (Hint: that's why the word "NEW" is in the name.) It made sense to several, SEVERAL generations as a stand-alone.....
- Willy99, on 05/14/2008, -7/+30SPOILER ALERT #3 - Jesus grants eternal life to those who believe in Him
- natchiketa, on 05/14/2008, -15/+9SPOILER ALERT #4 - Jesus doesn't really exist! He's just like, in your heart or something. Sorry.
- tyywebb, on 05/14/2008, -7/+6SPOILER ALERT #5 - Jesus secretly hates all of you.
- tocsy, on 05/14/2008, -0/+7@ spoilers:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*****, I'm right in the middle of that book! - WorldLeader, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4SPOILER ALERT #6 - Jesus wasn't finished, he is coming back to absolutely destroy the earth and all humanity (except his followers, who would be gone) with some of the craziest and most terrifying things I've ever read about. The Book of Revelations is probably the scariest book I've ever read.
- tyywebb, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDJAOmF8DB8
- manova, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3As one of my literature professors said, you should read the New Testament as one of the greatest works of propaganda ever written.
- doublefelix, on 05/14/2008, -7/+62SPOILER ALERT ---- Jesus dies in the end.
- Aidenf77, on 05/14/2008, -10/+46#101 - The Alphabet of Manliness
http://www.alphabetofmanliness.com/- Holle, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3I plan on giving that to my son to read when he's turning 18. It's quick and well worth the time.
- redheadguy719, on 05/14/2008, -0/+7“So manly that even its sentences don't have periods.”
- bfchickenchaser, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1*****, YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!! XD
IT'S THE ULTIMATE MAN READ
- Odenized, on 05/14/2008, -12/+9Very interesting to see that a few books by female authors made this list, including Christine De Pizan. I feel like this blog has created another comprehensive list for men.
- stillasleep00, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5Artofmanliness.com- gee, whoda thunk they'd write a comprehensive list for men?
- heylookltsme, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1Why wouldn't men have something to learn from women authors? On the contrary, I am surprised (and disappointed) that there are so few women authors on this list.
- manova, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3And what would you suggest from a woman author?
- Pimpalicious316, on 05/14/2008, -7/+57no one ever includes the giver
- loneBoat, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7Or "See Spot Run" :-(
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -3/+24That's because the Giver is a ***** knock off of 1984 and Brave New World, two books which are leaps and bounds above that garbage. Hell, even Rand's Anthem is better than the Giver.
- scarroll, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9I think the GIver is meant for kids - I read it in elementary school. It's not a bad book, just meant for a different audience.
- Midoc, on 05/14/2008, -9/+3You sir are insane if you think that anything Rand wrote is worth reading.
- joegibes, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I don't see how The Giver is a knockoff of 1984... Sure, it's a mildly dystopian book, but that's pretty much where the similarities end.
- erikwithaknotac, on 05/14/2008, -0/+14Flowers for Algernon
- solidus636, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2Flowers for Algernon and The Giver are two of the best books I've read. Then again... I don't read much.
- Clearmedium, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1your a "gene-ass"
good show sir!
- joegibes, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1That's because everyone already read it in middle/elementary school.
- zombie2, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Dude, you got lol'd at.
I'm only 7 and I know that book is for people who can't understand things.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -1/+90Oscar Wilde would have a good laugh at being on a list on a website named artofmanliness.com
- malex, on 05/14/2008, -6/+4Well, he _was_ a man, afterall.
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -2/+9kinda...
- Iztikeit, on 05/14/2008, -4/+3A very, very, VERY homosexual man who happened to have sex with little boys.....but I guess that could be manly.
- Mesmorize, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1That's how the Greeks did it. That's how Oscar Wilde did it. And its worked out pretty well so far.
- Iztikeit, on 05/15/2008, -1/+18 year olds dude......8 year olds....
So, since the Greeks did it, that means it's justified? Someone hasn't taken a logic class outside of high school.*insult*- Mesmorize, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I was quoting Iron man and substituting in gays.
- Iztikeit, on 05/15/2008, -1/+18 year olds dude......8 year olds....
- malex, on 05/14/2008, -6/+4Well, he _was_ a man, afterall.
- tradwolley, on 05/14/2008, -3/+21I only have 85 left to read.
- bobbydiamondz, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9That's exactly what I thought (though the count was a little different). Not that this is the end all of reading lists, but it's pretty darn good. I was slightly pleased with how many I had read, and a little overwhelmed at how many I hadn't. Anyway, I was totally counting them off like I needed approval or something. Funny.
- jackieokennedy, on 05/14/2008, -4/+15needs more french litterature
hugo, camus, balzac ....
where is THE CAPITAL ?- Szandor, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1The Stranger was in there.
- ahtu, on 05/14/2008, -0/+0and Count of Monte Cristo
Very good list, I'll definitely pick some of these up after I'm finished with my current pile - matroosje, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Les Misérables by Victor Hugo
Liaisons Dangereuses by Choderlos de Laclos- timothycrash01, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Jean Valjean is a great male protagonist - that book is ***** amazing. Not sure why it would not be included in a "Man's Library" list, yet 'The Long Goodbye' is (although a good book - it just doesn't hold up).
- kidwithshirt, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Proust?
- Nescirian, on 05/14/2008, -2/+3Let's not confuse "manly" and "French" ever again, shall we?
- Vodd9, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2How about Beaudelaire, Maupassant, Molière? Just a few names in the back of my head...
- Jwestover, on 05/14/2008, -3/+0Balzac?
You mean Ball Sack? - NOFXY, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1in Bevis' voice:
hehe he he he he he you said ball sack. I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO!!! i need T.P. for my bunghole. Are you threatening me!? - sophiaperennis, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I'll have some French fries with that.
- sdacvzxvzsfa, on 05/14/2008, -17/+8I hate Lord of the Flies so much.
- blueomega137, on 05/14/2008, -5/+2Yeah me too, it just wasnt THAT good.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6That book was a perfect example of why a lot of kids hate to read, school tells you its a classic must read book, then it's really not that great. Great Gatsby was another one of those that comes to mind.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -45/+59***** Ayn Rand.
- quaunaut, on 05/14/2008, -23/+9***** you.
- lennybird, on 05/14/2008, -22/+22Hell no, Atlas Shrugged ***** owns.
- sodade, on 05/14/2008, -9/+2Meh. I think that the only one worth reading is Anthem.
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -4/+5Anthem was the first and last I read of Rand... tried Atlas but it was awful and pretentious and it turn out she ripped it off of Garet Garrett's very good The Driver which can be downloaded for free at mises.org and which is a reasonable 300 or so pages.
- rhartman, on 05/14/2008, -2/+14Atlas Shrugged was garbage. If it had been condensed to about half the number of pages it would have been a better read. The 20+ page radio speech by John Galt towards the end was a fine example of something that could have been done in much fewer words and would have been much better for it.
- danconia, on 05/14/2008, -5/+2That's what we call "opinion".
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4Man, the Randites have come out of the woodwork! God forbid you say anything negative about Atlas or Anthem. Rand was to philosophy what LRH was to sci-fi, a hack.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Speaking as someone who has actually read that 1000+ page monstrosity, what a drivelling piece of crap. It was a FREAKING soap opera, disguising a political ideology that has no relation to REALITY, or else the book would have reflected it.
If you were going to pick a book that COGENTLY and persuasively espoused the themes of Objectivism, its the Fountainhead.
And besides, Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea properly lampooned it in their epic collaboration, the Illuminatus Trilogy.
- sodade, on 05/14/2008, -9/+2Meh. I think that the only one worth reading is Anthem.
- zombies187, on 05/14/2008, -5/+9And selfishism.
- Scottamus, on 05/14/2008, -14/+29Most people that hate Ayn Rand haven't even read her books.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -9/+14Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy *****.
- timothycrash01, on 05/14/2008, -4/+17Slamming a system of ideas without proper analysis is slightly more shameful than what that statement implies.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -9/+3I'm no expert, but I've given them my consideration and analysis. So you're wrong.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -8/+2translation "proper analysis" = your conclusions
- timothycrash01, on 05/15/2008, -4/+3"I'm no expert...." Not true. You're an expert at trying to back peddle out of your own posts. The trick is not to post something that you immediately contradict in your replies.
- bicyclethief, on 05/15/2008, -3/+3What are you talking about??
You accused me of "slamming a system of ideas without proper analysis." How would you know if I haven't given it my due consideration? Therefore, the only thing I can assume you're saying is that I haven't given it enough analysis to reach YOUR conclusions. Which is pretty arrogant it seems to me.
Now if you want to point something out that I don't know, please do so. I try not to be prideful. I try to care more about being informed than being "right."
- timothycrash01, on 05/14/2008, -4/+17Slamming a system of ideas without proper analysis is slightly more shameful than what that statement implies.
- SpencerMc, on 05/14/2008, -5/+16Read her, hate her. Pretty sure I'm not alone.
- zombies187, on 05/14/2008, -3/+10Yeah, I read her and hate her.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+5Lemme ditto that. Absolute tripe.
- AlextheK, on 05/14/2008, -3/+14On the other hand, some of us have read her works, and found them poorly thought out and dreadfully poorly written.
- GalacticXenu, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9I don't mind the very general gist of her message, but the book is trash. Really. It's shrill, it's ludicrous, it's poorly written, and the characters are cardboard cutouts. I'm having trouble finishing it now because the book is so boring.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -9/+14Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy *****.
- xkingADROCKx, on 05/14/2008, -2/+17Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow?
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -3/+2Sure. Karl Marx felt the same way.
- jingsong, on 05/14/2008, -11/+15Why? Because she's a great storyteller? The Fountainhead was an absolute classic.
- chokeaduck, on 05/14/2008, -5/+13No. Cardboard characters spewing Rand's rhetoric does not an interesting tale make.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2No, Fountainhead was good. And it was concise, compared to AS.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -2/+3Please. How is The Fountainhead a classic? Just because you say so, doesn't make it so. Rand always makes the list because 15 year olds are sucked into the whole idea of objectivism and buy into that tripe....
Too bad she didn't include e-meters...
- chokeaduck, on 05/14/2008, -5/+13No. Cardboard characters spewing Rand's rhetoric does not an interesting tale make.
- timothycrash01, on 05/14/2008, -5/+13Don't be afraid bicycletheif, they're only words.
- bicyclethief, on 05/14/2008, -4/+3lol I'm not scared of her words or her ideas. If I thought they were correct, I would adopt them.
- Vhaeos, on 05/15/2008, -6/+4Article dugg for Ayn Rand.
- whalt, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2You'd have to dig her up first.
- alpinecow, on 05/14/2008, -3/+16For Whom the Bell Tolls...set in the civil war? try the spanish civil war. I'm not sure the artofmanliness.com has even read most of these.
- Wetzilla, on 05/14/2008, -1/+10Yeah, the description for "The Prince" sounds like they didn't actually understand what Machiavelli was trying to get at.
- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3So true! The Prince is one of the most misrepresented books in Western civilization.
- Stavrosian, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4I always thought it was pretty funny that what was essentially a guide to politics led to the author's political exile. Perhaps he wasn't as cunning as we may have been led to believe.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I kinda think that Machiavelli was taking the piss out of the ruling class...sure he brings up some good points, but some are so....backhanded, you have to wonder if he was being serious.
- roboticrickshaw, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2sounded like he didnt read the stranger either
- danconia, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Um from what I'm reading it says "Spanish Civil War"... maybe you misread or they just edited it?
- Wetzilla, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1They edited it. I saw it earlier and it definitely just said "the Civil War".
- danomagnum, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Time marches on.
- Wetzilla, on 05/14/2008, -1/+10Yeah, the description for "The Prince" sounds like they didn't actually understand what Machiavelli was trying to get at.
- TherealObadiah, on 05/14/2008, -12/+156Dugg for this: The Bible "Despite being one of the most religious Industrialized nations, America’s religious literacy is horrible. If asked to name one of the Ten Commandments or one of Jesus’ apostles, many Americans wouldn’t be able to do it. The problem is half the books on these lists make Biblical references that must be known by the reader for them to understand the message of that book. If a Western man desires to understand the culture that surrounds him, he needs to have a thorough understanding of the Book that has shaped that culture. In addition, the Bible is full of ancient counsel and advice that is applicable to today’s man, whether you’re a believer in God or not."
- sodade, on 05/14/2008, -20/+6Eh. I think it is better for sheer entertainment value. http://www.evilbible.com/
The Judeo-Christian god is a ***** dick.- Terasiel, on 05/15/2008, -3/+3Dugg for truth.
- aelias, on 05/14/2008, -6/+9If you read it for comprehension, you'll spend the rest of your days warming your own heart by pwning those self righteous pricks at their own game.
- adobbs83, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1That's the truth! I grew up in a Christian school and household. I can dominate any argument by using the what the bible says with common sense and logic. It doesn't mean I win the conversation to them though because to them "God always has a way, even for those difficult questions we don't understand". The Bible constantly contradicts itself. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com
- ComradeGoby, on 05/14/2008, -12/+6The Bible is a horrible book. I'll take Confucius over that garbage.
- TechMike, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5It's not whether you like it or not. You can't fully understand the origins of the Constitution or half the rest of the list without understanding the terms, stories and references of the Bible. It is the "shiboleth" unlocks western culture.
- Terasiel, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2Thank God we didn't base our government on the pre-Christian Greeks and Romans and their "Democracy." Crazy heathens.
- adobbs83, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1The Bible has hardly anything to do with our constitution, get real. Yes I've read it and had family/ friends force it in my brain the first 18 years of my life. I even used to believe it in a literal sense before I learned to think for myself and see the bigger picture. Oh no now I'm gonna burn in hell even though I'm a good person
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Bullcrap. The US Constitution wasn't based on the KJ Bible! Most of the signers were Protestants and Spiritualist Agnostics.
- TechMike, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5It's not whether you like it or not. You can't fully understand the origins of the Constitution or half the rest of the list without understanding the terms, stories and references of the Bible. It is the "shiboleth" unlocks western culture.
- xkingADROCKx, on 05/14/2008, -3/+3I presume we're not talking about the old testament here, the new testament is the one thats worth a read in my opinion.
- Nescirian, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Try starting with the book of Proverbs if you want "ancient counsel and advice that is applicable to today’s man, whether you’re a believer in God or not" - hardly mentions God, but gives pretty solid advice.
A lot of other solid stuff in there... if you (people in general rather than just xkingADROCKx) have read these and are still bashing them, fine. If you haven't, please do the research before you speak.- Terasiel, on 05/15/2008, -2/+3Proverbs is pretty nice. It's like reading about economic recovery from Hitlers manuscripts. You're bound to find good advice if you look in the right places.
- Nescirian, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Try starting with the book of Proverbs if you want "ancient counsel and advice that is applicable to today’s man, whether you’re a believer in God or not" - hardly mentions God, but gives pretty solid advice.
- dstz, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2You could pretty much say the same for every great religious book, Koran included. I sometime despise being a westerner for what it encompass of post colonialist self righteousness. But I don't idealize other societies. In the end, we shouldn't try to much to feel like "westerners" or "middle easterners" or whatever. Then, see my first sentence again.
- sherbertbones, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2Sounds like he's generalizing way too much. Essay Rule #4079: Don't make up statements or generalizations that aren't backed up by statistical or empirical evidence.
Rule 4080, however, states that record company are shadyyyyyyy.- jaybol, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Rule 4081...don't post rule 4079 and 4080 unless you provide a link to #1 thru #4078. Unless you are going for the irony play, in which case...lame!
- sherbertbones, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1I only listed those two because the second one is a, um, well-known rap lyric. Check the rhime homes.
- tyywebb, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Rules 4081 and 4082.
- jaybol, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Rule 4081...don't post rule 4079 and 4080 unless you provide a link to #1 thru #4078. Unless you are going for the irony play, in which case...lame!
- Iztikeit, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4Actually some of it is fairly interesting. Am I the only one that thought God was an interesting character?
- tyywebb, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6If by interesting you mean menacing and deceitful then, yeah sure!
- Iztikeit, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0Sounds like a human to me.....A human who has the ultimate power in the universe. That's interesting. Do you like Superman? God > Superman
- tyywebb, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6If by interesting you mean menacing and deceitful then, yeah sure!
- sodade, on 05/14/2008, -20/+6Eh. I think it is better for sheer entertainment value. http://www.evilbible.com/
- TomT223, on 05/14/2008, -3/+75Damn. Not one Dr. Seuss book. Guess I'm out of the loop.
- Wetzilla, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10The "Better Butter Battle Book" should be on this list, if only for Dr. Seuss being able to simplify the Cold War into a very entertaining children's book.
- blueomega137, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Nor where's wally (waldo?), Fantastic Mr Fox etc.
- mGARANDEUR1, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I was hoping to see "I Am America and So Can You" on there.
- theberlindoctor, on 05/14/2008, -17/+12I thought it was manly to THINK FOR YOURSELF and pick out your own damn books..
- zombies187, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2Does that mean women should only follow orders? Maybe its manly to take good advice.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3FK that, look how many movies that come out are total garbage, then multiply that quantity by 100,000 at least.
- ireland88, on 05/14/2008, -5/+37What no Bukowski!?!?!? This is a list for men right? What about Palahniuk.
- moolaismyfriend, on 05/14/2008, -3/+15Well I would say Palahniuk is still pop culture. Agreed on Bukowski though.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -2/+19You're right, Palahniuk is pop culture, but seriously, Fight Club is classic male literature no matter how you slice it.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Fight Club is MUCH more than pop culture and classic male literature. Its THE book which encapsulates the ennui towards Western materialism culture. FC has the potential to become a very important anthem to our current way of life. And no, its not about fight clubs popping up all over the 1st world.
- Maver1c, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Some Chuck Palahniuk quotes:
“We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens.”
“Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.”
“If you don’t know what you want, you end up with a lot you don’t”
“Did perpetual happiness in the Garden of Eden maybe get so boring that eating the apple was justified?”
“Reality means you live until you die. The real truth is nobody wants reality”
“More and more, it feels like I'm doing a really bad impersonation of myself.”
While he may still be pop culture I find him very interesting and have a learned a lot from his work.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -2/+19You're right, Palahniuk is pop culture, but seriously, Fight Club is classic male literature no matter how you slice it.
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -15/+5if Fight Club the book is half as bad as Fight Club the movie, it's the worst book of all time. A guy goes out into the street, starts punching HIMSELF in the face and a load of bystanders think it would be a great idea to hop on the bandwagon?
- ireland88, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6All art comes down to opinion, but yours sucks.
- Maver1c, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Congratulations on COMPLETELY missing the philosophical aspect of that movie. Try reading the book, you just might like it if you are willing to give it a chance and uh, think.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Fight Club isn't about fist fighting. Its about rejecting the materialism of Western Culture. Its about being a man, and not a cog in the civilization machine. Fight clubs are merely an exercise in Nihilism to beat the ***** out of your system.
- sherbertbones, on 05/14/2008, -11/+3Palahniuk is the biggest hack to come out of the literary circle since Danielle Steele. Sounds like a under-educated Community College student writing in his dank, humid basement.
- rrbest, on 05/14/2008, -0/+14What about A Clockwork Orange
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1If Clockwork Orange belongs in that list, then what does Clockwork Orange teach you?
- mxmj, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1How to memorize an incredibly complicated list of ridiculous slang.
For those of you that haven't read it; here is the first paragraph of the first page:
"What's it going to be then, eh?"
There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is
Pete, Georgie, and Dim. Dim being really dim, and we sat in
the Korova Milkbar making up our rassoodocks what to do
with the evening, a flip dark chill winter bastard though dry.
The Ko Part 1 rova Milkbar was a milk-plus mesto, and you may, O
my brothers, have forgotten what these mestos were like,
things changing so skorry these days and everybody very
quick to forget, newspapers not being read much neither.
Well, what they sold there was milk plus something else. They
had no license for selling liquor, but there was no law yet
against prodding some of the new veshches which they used
to put into the old moloko, so you could peet it with vellocet
or synthemesc or drencrom or one or two other veshches
which would give you a nice quiet horrorshow fifteen
minutes admiring Bog And All His Holy Angels and Saints in
your left shoe with lights bursting all over your mozg. Or you
could peet milk with knives in it, as we used to say, and this
would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of dirty
twenty-to-one, and that was what we were peeting this evening
I'm starting off the story with."
- mxmj, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1How to memorize an incredibly complicated list of ridiculous slang.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1If Clockwork Orange belongs in that list, then what does Clockwork Orange teach you?
- suspid, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1You know what, after having read three books by Palahniuk I have to say that all of his books are essentialy the same thing.
- moolaismyfriend, on 05/14/2008, -3/+15Well I would say Palahniuk is still pop culture. Agreed on Bukowski though.
- Fuzi, on 05/14/2008, -1/+14A lot of those books are normal reading in JHS/HS... like 20 or so on that list I was forced to read in school
- jingsong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3I agree. I was pleasantly surprised to see that I had read about a third of the books, most of which were because I was required to do so from high school. Although I can't say I enjoyed all of them, a majority of them have become some of my favorites.
- gudnbluts, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1"A lot of those books are normal reading in JHS/HS... like 20 or so on that list I was forced to read in school".
Sounds like the American school system teaches literature a lot better than the English school system did. We had things like Chaucer, Cider with Rosie. I even remember Adrian Mole being on the list around second or third form (12/13 years old - is that junior high?)- jabela, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I went to a British School during the 80's and we read a fair percentage of these... I'm a teacher myself now and in the UK the teacher has quite a lot of discretion as to what you learn. A good teacher will find books that motivate their particular class, a new teacher can only teach what books they have class sets of and a bad teacher will force their choices onto the kids...
- gudnbluts, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0I went in the 80s too (at school from 75 to 88). I did the English Lit O Level, and in my whole school career, the only books we covered from that list were The Hobbit and Lord of the Flies. Also possibly Slaughterhouse 5 - although I think I did that off my own back.
Although I take your poiint - maybe I shouldn't extrapolate that to the entire school system in England. It has to be said, although I went to good schools, the English teaching wasn't that great. The only good English teacher I remember having was my O'Level one, and he could only really teach us the set three books, Chaucer, Laurie Lee and Shakespeare.
- gudnbluts, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0I went in the 80s too (at school from 75 to 88). I did the English Lit O Level, and in my whole school career, the only books we covered from that list were The Hobbit and Lord of the Flies. Also possibly Slaughterhouse 5 - although I think I did that off my own back.
- jabela, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I went to a British School during the 80's and we read a fair percentage of these... I'm a teacher myself now and in the UK the teacher has quite a lot of discretion as to what you learn. A good teacher will find books that motivate their particular class, a new teacher can only teach what books they have class sets of and a bad teacher will force their choices onto the kids...
- Ryan805, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1Not any more. They don't read books anymore in school. They get in groups and try to come up with the best answers for math problems. It doesn't matter if their right, only that they participated and everyone feels good about themselves. It's no surprise that we are way behind in education as a country. Today's school are nothing but daycare for kids.
- Hoogs, on 05/14/2008, -2/+32"Brave New World" has been my favorite book ever since I read it senior year of high school. Definitely one of the creepiest as well.
- Szandor, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4[deleted]
- blueomega137, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Ahem to that!
- Iztikeit, on 05/14/2008, -7/+2Aldous wasn't the best writer but he had great ideas. Remember how he ended the book? The Savage's feet were spinning in the cardinal directions after he hanged himself....Lame ending, but most of it kept me reading. I love the man though.
- Vodd9, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Why do you feel the need to spoil it for those who haven't read it yet?
That's ***** lame. - Iztikeit, on 05/15/2008, -1/+0Romeo and Juliet gets spoiled all the time, do you bitch about that?
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Its not a lame ending. Its the realization that the Savage could not return to his "meaningful" way of life, and he could not lead the people to a more relevant way of life, because they were brainwashed and programmed to be less than human. He kills himself in his despair.
- ccm1120, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1Amazingly enough, I agree with you, netant. The ending of Brave New World was extremely meaningful and well-done.
- Iztikeit, on 05/16/2008, -0/+0Well no *****.....I was speaking of his apparent hanging. The VERY end of the book. Aldous admits his writing isn't the best.....Why argue with him?
- Vodd9, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4Why do you feel the need to spoil it for those who haven't read it yet?
- roboticrickshaw, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Its better to end than mend
- condormcs, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday
- ccm1120, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Yeah, I just read that in my English class (I'm a junior in high school). A very good book, creep as well, and a great contrast to 1984. Its really interesting to see the contrast between Orwell's and Huxley's view of the future; one where information is withheld, and the other where information is given in excess. I like how Orwell depicts the grim future of overly-successful communism and Huxley depicts one based on capitalism. Very good contrast. Sorry, went on a bit of a tangent there.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -1/+1Hooboy, you didn't get 1984. Its a grim future of overly-successful Capitalism->Fascism. Animal Farm was the attack on Communism.
- ccm1120, on 05/16/2008, -0/+1No, I'm damn sure I got 1984. Being that I've written a few essays on it and studied the ***** out of it and Brave New World, I think I know what the ***** I'm talking about.
- faskill, on 05/14/2008, -3/+15"The Catcher and the Rye by J.D. Salinger".... really? The picture below it is correct...
- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -11/+5Hated that book. I have NO idea what's it's doing on a list of "manly" books. Where's "Stranger in a Strange Land"? Where's James Bond fer Pete's sake? (If you haven't read the original stories, you really should.)
- sherbertbones, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10Did you just relate James Bond novels to Salinger? Jesus...hopefully he comes out of his reclusive state and uppercuts you.
- jezsik, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Salinger? Ha, ha! That puss would sooner wet himself than man up.
- brycelb, on 05/15/2008, -2/+2Agree. I have read both and Casino Royale is far better than Catcher. I just don't get the fascination with that book. It's garbage.
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2I didn't hate the book. I liked the book. I thought it was a well written, thoughtful book. BUT it is the most ***** overhyped book of the previous century. Who gives a ***** about the disenchantment when one leaves adolescent innocence? Grow up, or ***** die. Its not the book I hate, its the people who hype the goddamn book. Its not a masterpiece of literature.
Its like cracking out Spiderman comic books, and calling it great literature.
- sherbertbones, on 05/14/2008, -0/+10Did you just relate James Bond novels to Salinger? Jesus...hopefully he comes out of his reclusive state and uppercuts you.
- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -10/+6pretty cliche and overrated. I find the narrator irritating and immature - certainly not "manly".
- SpencerMc, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7That's kind of the point....And by kind of, I mean completely to the point that if you didn't catch that you're kind of slow.
- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2i understood what the point was, but the character doesn't really change much IMO. and if you've got a story about a disaffected outsider who on the one hand isn't very motivated to blaze his own path and find his own meaning, and on the other hand isn't really willing to change - even in the end seeming to be more or less where he started - that's not a character I want to spend much time with. maybe I was too old when I read it, but I simply couldn't identify with Caulfield
- jezsik, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1Riiiiight. I guess we'll have to start looking at all the manly books suggested by Oprah. Sheesh.
- danconia, on 05/14/2008, -0/+9Phony!
- SpencerMc, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7That's kind of the point....And by kind of, I mean completely to the point that if you didn't catch that you're kind of slow.
- Iztikeit, on 05/14/2008, -3/+4All men experience youth at some time.
- danconia, on 05/14/2008, -5/+7Yeah Catcher in the Rye was 200 pages or so of a guy bitching about everything he encounters.
- SickMonkey, on 05/15/2008, -3/+4You don't understand the book. Today they give entire college courses just about that one book. Holden Caulfield is an extremely complex character who slowly has a nervous breakdown. The latest interpretation I've heard about him is that his anger stems from being a repressed homosexual. This would never have occurred to any of the readers of the book back in the 40's and 50's. Odder still is the fact that so many readers closely identify with him. It makes me want to read the book again just so I can see it from this perspective.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I think part of the problem is you have to read it when you are a teen to really get the feel of the repression...if you read it later in life it feels like the character is just bitching and moaning.
Great book though and I still love it- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4No, I read it as a teen, and thought it was overrated then.
You guys are making me think "The Ice Storm" belongs on this list. (Haven't read it, HATED the movie.) - boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+1I donno, for "manly" books, I'm surprised Matthew Reilly didn't pop up. (Seven Deadly Wonders is pretty fun)
- netant, on 05/15/2008, -0/+4No, I read it as a teen, and thought it was overrated then.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3I think part of the problem is you have to read it when you are a teen to really get the feel of the repression...if you read it later in life it feels like the character is just bitching and moaning.
- SickMonkey, on 05/15/2008, -3/+4You don't understand the book. Today they give entire college courses just about that one book. Holden Caulfield is an extremely complex character who slowly has a nervous breakdown. The latest interpretation I've heard about him is that his anger stems from being a repressed homosexual. This would never have occurred to any of the readers of the book back in the 40's and 50's. Odder still is the fact that so many readers closely identify with him. It makes me want to read the book again just so I can see it from this perspective.
- Mesmorize, on 05/14/2008, -2/+5Its about what happens to human beings when they get too close to the truth and the importance of home.
- Daiken, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2Yeah, I read Catcher in the Rye and couldn't relate to the character at all. I really came away with nothing after reading the book.
- Buckiller, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1It had some nice themes and I really liked Salinger's style.
- jezsik, on 05/14/2008, -11/+5Hated that book. I have NO idea what's it's doing on a list of "manly" books. Where's "Stranger in a Strange Land"? Where's James Bond fer Pete's sake? (If you haven't read the original stories, you really should.)
- sofaKing812, on 05/14/2008, -2/+67I am a bit surprised that no Hunter S. Thompson book was mentioned.
- ManFace, on 05/15/2008, -0/+0I was waiting for one to show up the whole time. Then it never did. Made me sad.
- louiss19, on 05/14/2008, -1/+9Great list!! There's always MORE books to read. Ugh, I'll never finish!
- xtinamo, on 05/14/2008, -1/+23This is a great list for us ladies too. Brave New World had a truly profound affect on me.
- RockMuncher, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5This reads like a list of old favourites... I wasn't aware I was a man though. This may come as a shock to my girlfriend.
In all seriousness, most of these are must reads regardless of gender. I love novels that take a hard look at the positive and negative aspects of the human condition. Even reading some of the titles can evoke goosebumps. - ibeetle, on 05/14/2008, -2/+8What? No Winnie-the-Pooh? Not even "Now We Are Six".
- moolaismyfriend, on 05/14/2008, -7/+38Well I must be an elitist cause I read over 80% of that list.
Remember meeting Vonnegut in a doctors office on Long Island when he was sitting next to me, I was like 12 and then going home and my dad handed me Slaughter House Five. That was life changing.- employeeno5, on 05/14/2008, -12/+3Yeah, it's a pretty basic list. I would expect most anyone who likes to read has read everything except some of the non-fiction on that list by the time they're 20.
Given that, even if you think that some of the books are awful or over rated, it's not a bad basic reading list, something I would never expect to see on Digg.- jc7012, on 05/15/2008, -1/+3Man, I wish I could be more like you...
- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2280%? God, I hope you're old... it would make me feel better about myself.
- employeeno5, on 05/14/2008, -12/+3Yeah, it's a pretty basic list. I would expect most anyone who likes to read has read everything except some of the non-fiction on that list by the time they're 20.
- AmandaZampieri, on 05/14/2008, -6/+15Where's Machado de Assis? Gabriel Garcia Marques? Jose Saramago? Mario Vargas Llosa? Isabel Allende? Jorge Luis Borges? Julio Cortazar? Guimaraes Rosa? Clarice Lispector?
shame on you Jason Lankow, Ross Crooks, Joshua Ritchie, and Brett McKay!- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2I can't manage to get through a Marques book. I don't know what it is but he bores me to death.
- santaliqueur, on 05/14/2008, -0/+17Do you just enjoy typing names?
- The_Red_Monkey, on 05/14/2008, -3/+4There not there because they stink.
- Loonatickle, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2The problem with many of the authors you mentioned is that they produced quite a bit of very good (but probably not great) works--or their great works are short stories.
- fakekevinrose, on 05/14/2008, -18/+35digg me down
- paulperson, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2NO!
- fakekevinrose, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2god dammit..
- tierneyb, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Boys Life by Robert R. McCammon is a must read.
- lovernotfighter, on 05/14/2008, -1/+20I'd probably trade that fourth Steinbeck novel for "Les Misérables." Another great insight into the human condition.
- The_Red_Monkey, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Cannery Row relates more about life than Les Miserables in my opinion, but then I have not read Les Miserables I only have seen it and I live in Salinas and work in Monterey near Cannery Row so I may be a little biased.
- timothycrash01, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Definitely don't judge it by the play / movie / musical. It's a massive story, and way more involved than the stage versions. 80% of the story is taken out in the movie and the play. Far beyond the reach of Cannery Row in my opinion.
- Nescirian, on 05/14/2008, -0/+0This is going to sound like I'm a prick no matter how I preface it, but...
If you haven't read it, why do you even have an opinion on it?
- urinate, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2I agree completely. I am reading the book now, and it's ***** amazing. I don't want to finish it.
- The_Red_Monkey, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Cannery Row relates more about life than Les Miserables in my opinion, but then I have not read Les Miserables I only have seen it and I live in Salinas and work in Monterey near Cannery Row so I may be a little biased.
- stillasleep00, on 05/14/2008, -0/+16No Bukowski?!?
Otherwise, good list.- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6No kidding. I mean, this is a list for MEN right? Women, boozing, and horse racing...it doesn't get much more manly than Bukowski.
- PabloIV, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1or depressing.
(loves me some bukowsky)
that sounds really wrong
- PabloIV, on 05/14/2008, -1/+1or depressing.
- kibblesnbitz, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Post Office is phenomenal.
- rufusdog, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Hey, I said the same thing below, but didn't see your comment! Bukowski is a MUST.
- ConceptualTrap, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6No kidding. I mean, this is a list for MEN right? Women, boozing, and horse racing...it doesn't get much more manly than Bukowski.
- blueomega137, on 05/14/2008, -12/+7Correct me if I'm wrong but I didnt see To Kill a Mocking Bird on that list.
- moolaismyfriend, on 05/14/2008, -5/+1That's a woman's book!
/k - carnesm, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6It was there, on page 4
- welefttheparty, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4It's on there.
- dave122, on 05/14/2008, -8/+3it's on there. was never a fan of that book myself, supremely over-rated.
- blueomega137, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3My bad.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/14/2008, -2/+1I didn't like that book at all. Great sedative though. That's another great example of a public school chosen "classic" that ends up encouraging kids not to read, after books like that they're left equating the fun in reading to the fun in vacuuming the curtains.
- moolaismyfriend, on 05/14/2008, -5/+1That's a woman's book!
- evilunleashed, on 05/14/2008, -4/+29The list is incomplete. No one should go through life without having read "Stranger In A Strange Land" by Robert A. Heinlein.
- damienv5, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Couldn't agree more, puts the Bible and religion in perspective, not to mention human nature.
- dn11, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4With regard to Heinlein, Starship Troopers would also fit the theme of this list quite well - if you've only seen the movie you would be surprised out how deep and political the book is (not that I necessarily agree with the apparent message of the book, but still thought provoking non the less). And if Stranger is the only Heinlein novel you've read - you'll be pretty shocked at the contrast.
- evilunleashed, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Starship Troopers is good, but I would put it at third in the list of Heinlein's best, behind Stranger and "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress". But you are correct, Troopers would fit in well with the rest of the books in this list. Personally, I think all Heinlein and Lovecraft books along with Mary Shelly's Frankenstein should be required reading.
- tyywebb, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Damn I only got halfway through it then I had to return it to my college library and pack on home...
- boxybrzown, on 05/14/2008, -1/+6That cover and description for Brave New World looks like a movie poster for Logan's Run
- chocobomog, on 05/14/2008, -1/+25Why are 4+ books about Theodore Roosevelt? He was a great man, but 4 books out of 100 devoted to him? Thats more than Shakespeare, Mark Twain, and Homer combined.
Needed a few more financial books too:
Richest Man in Babylon by George Samuel Clayson
Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill- talonstriker, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2Speaking of Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court is completely underrated. It good for some serious LOLs and ROFLs....in IRL.
- Mesmorize, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3No dude, TR was like THE MAN as in if there was an man ideal he would be its personification.
- boot20, on 05/14/2008, -15/+9What, no Swan Song, Breakfast of Champions, or Johnny Got His Gun!!???
Oh and Atlas Shrugged is beyond over rated. Ayn Rand was a tool and her book reflects her tooliness. Let me sum up Atlas Shrugged:
The smart and hard working disappear and then the objectivism crap is spewed for about 800 pages...then the magically objectovist revolution solves everything...BAM- suzywang3000, on 05/14/2008, -9/+5amen to your Rand rant.
- Egophilia, on 05/14/2008, -5/+5In no way did Ayn Rand attempt to provide a magical or mystical solution to the collapsing economy in the novel.
The premises and solutions of Objectivism are exactly that, objective. They are well supported in both her philosophy and in man's history.- AlextheK, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Of course she did. Her perpetual motion machine with its magic energy source, remember?
- Egophilia, on 05/14/2008, -4/+3Galt's motor was not a perpetual motion machine and for you to call it that reveals your duplicity. Rand was very aware of the laws of nature and stressed the importance of such understanding as to successfully live within reality. (In this particular case, a perpetual motion machine would be a contradiction with the 2nd law of thermodynamics which says the entropy of the universe is increasing. As to how to how the motor ran... you can actually read the novel for that answer.)
To claim anything was created by magic is simply disgusting and shows their inability to recognize true ability. This very problem is deeply rooted in the philosophy of intrinsicits.
But what saddens me is that this topic was anticipated in the novel and was elegantly explained through the subplot of Rearden Steel and its being renamed to Miracle Metal. If you read the book you wouldn’t have made such an uninformed comment.- AlextheK, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Of course it was a perpetual motion machine, and,no, Rand did not understand the laws of nature. A machine that extracts static electricity from the air? Please. This reveals ignorance of physics at best. At worst--and this is the fact--it's a cheat.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2What a load of crap that is Ego. If you buy into Rand's crap, great, but don't try to pass off the magical Gault machine as anything more than Rand pushing her stupid agenda through magic and pixie farts.
- Egophilia, on 05/14/2008, -4/+3Galt's motor was not a perpetual motion machine and for you to call it that reveals your duplicity. Rand was very aware of the laws of nature and stressed the importance of such understanding as to successfully live within reality. (In this particular case, a perpetual motion machine would be a contradiction with the 2nd law of thermodynamics which says the entropy of the universe is increasing. As to how to how the motor ran... you can actually read the novel for that answer.)
- Nescirian, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Your last two lines make me cringe every time I see someone regurgitate them. People act as though Ayn Rand was somehow accepted by anyone in academic philosophy, ever. Or as though she was original, rather than a rehash of some of Aristotle's more basic stuff which she then built on, poorly. Or had a logical backing rather than a bunch of pretty sounding phrases written in a stark enough style to look honest. She's like the CS Lewis apologetic works of Atheism.
There was an amusing exchange in a class I took on Kant a while ago, where the professor was taking "Any question, about anything at all" - after several about The Grateful Dead (I'm not kidding, he was a fairly tolerant lecturer), the following gem came up: "Why did Ayn Rand say that Kant was a monster?" The immediate response "Probably because she herself was a monster. You see... whatever people may say, Ayn Rand wasn't really a bad philosopher... she wasn't a philosopher at all!" The discussion continued... turned out Ayn Rand had said this because Kant influenced Nietzsche who influenced Hitler. Therefore, Kant killed Jews, I guess.
I'm just really sick of how excited college students get about her and her ***** theories.
Digg me down, objectivist fanboys.- Egophilia, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2I recognize she is not accepted by mainstream philosophers, but i fail to see how that applies to her validity. I disagree with you about her originality however. She was influenced by Aristotle, but by no means rehashed his philosophy. I would honestly like to go deeper into this, but this isn’t the place.
About Kant, though. If I was told Rand said he was a monster because the Holocaust is his fault I would be pretty turned off from her too. That claim is ridiculous and simply unreasonable.
I wont speak for Ayn Rand, but I will tell you my own view. Kant is, and deserves to be, a notable philosopher for his influential ideas. However, he did pioneer the philosophy of subjectivism, as well as pragmatism, which i find to be atrocious. I can assume you are pretty knowledgeable on the philosophy, but I will tell you what it leads to in practice anyways. It boils down to the idea that there is no means of knowing external objects and we should just give up any attempt to know reality. This would mean each individual creates their own realities and the only facts of a social group are those which they create. The problem I have with this is that it renders facts malleable, conforming to the whims of society.
I hold no biases on this, or any, matter. I genuinely seek the truth. What I say may be wrong, and if it is please enlighten me with a more elegant philosophy. But what I do know is that what I say is not *****, and it’s unfortunate that I can’t say the same for all those who attack this philosophy with empty arguments.- AlextheK, on 05/15/2008, -0/+3Here's a thought---try reading Kant instead of reading what Rand ignorantly said about Kant.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Wow, you're comments on Kant are so wrong I'm not sure where to begin, so I'm just going to give you a link to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant
Rand didn't understand Kant, nor did she describe his philosophy correctly by any stretch of the imagination.
- AlextheK, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Nescrian, in my experience, Rand fans tend to have encountered her not in college but in high school. That's a very impressionable age. What's distressing is when grown adults haven't outgrown that early infatuation.
- Egophilia, on 05/14/2008, -2/+2I recognize she is not accepted by mainstream philosophers, but i fail to see how that applies to her validity. I disagree with you about her originality however. She was influenced by Aristotle, but by no means rehashed his philosophy. I would honestly like to go deeper into this, but this isn’t the place.
- AlextheK, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Of course she did. Her perpetual motion machine with its magic energy source, remember?
- replikhant, on 05/14/2008, -2/+7Maybe if you had taken the time to actually read it you would have known how it ended, not how you assumed it ended.
- boot20, on 05/15/2008, -0/+2Uh, I told you how it ended...A magical machine magically fixed everything...Load of horse crap.
- Willy99, on 05/14/2008, -7/+1you can watch some really good movies of some of these, like to kill a mockingbird...
http://tesla.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/tun ...
or The Picture of Dorian Gray