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BMW Mini to Sell Electric Cars in U.S. From Summer 2009

gas2.org — BMW has announced plans to sell all-electric versions of its popular Mini car in the U.S., starting from summer 2009.

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  • SRSco, on 07/23/2008, -5/+32Too bad this will cost $60k.
    • davidryal, on 07/23/2008, -6/+11Still awesome. Get a job.
      • mike17032, on 07/23/2008, -3/+9For 60k, you can get a real car.
      • thecatcantalk, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1For 60k, you can get a house, most places on this planet.

        For $250, you can get a top-of-the-line fiberglass longboard, and actually enjoy commuting to work.

        Cars are the biggest ripoff ever...second only to borrowing $250,000 to buy a house that's so badly-made it'll be worth half that much by the time the mortgage is paid off.
    • jpaolini, on 07/23/2008, -5/+4I highly doubt they will be $60k.
    • ast16, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8So will a tank of gas pretty soon, this might not be the worst investment ever.
    • theotheragentm, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3My friend put his name down for one. He said more like $30k. $15k difference in price tag from a similarly sized and priced car. Granted the Mini is nicer, but you'll be driving that car a long time to break even on the buy.
      • Badandy127, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3You do know a Mini Cooper S fairly loaded is about $26k, right? You've got to be on crack if you think you can get an all electric version for $30k. K, maybe not crack, but at least a severe misunderstanding on how much electric cars cost...
      • theotheragentm, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Hmmm, every thing I've read online (might just be speculation) seems to indicate a $30k hybrid and $32k all electric. I could be wrong, but a higher price would just prove my point about the huge difference in price that can't be made up by using a cheaper fuel. Being so eco friendly is for the wealthy.
      • BradHAWK, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2You'd break even a whole lot faster than the people who paid the same premium for an SUV.
      • ajwinder, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Badandy, the aptera is looking at 27 grand. Yeah its 3 grand less than 30, but still, I didn't need to be on crack to think that, just the google ;)
      • AVigorVermin, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1@badandy

        Actually, electric cars have fewer parts, and therefore cost less to make. The reason they cost more now is mainly because of the demand for them. There's also a little R&D to make back.
    • quomen, on 07/23/2008, -4/+3For $60k
      (assuming that it is), you can buy an M3. Hmm... Tough decision.

      Not.
    • idastheman, on 07/23/2008, -3/+4For $60k you can get a new ford f-150, drive it for 100,000 miles and still come out cheaper than the Mini.
      • BrewBeau, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2Yeah, because saving money is the only factor involved here. I didn't think the F-150 had an all electric model.
      • ajwinder, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1That would assume gas prices dont climb over their current rate, which is of debatable merit.

        Plus, I mean, I drive most of my cars over 100,000 miles. Its not like a car is the greatest investment anyways, why not ride the thing till it starts to die...
      • Blandyman, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Maybe it doesn't deserve mention (or does it? dum-dum-DUM) but gas prices here in Southwest Miami are falling...

        We're under $4 in some areas again :)
    • syriusblack, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1well just buy the mini diesel that gets 44mpg city....... it should run around 20k.
  • madrigaelic, on 07/23/2008, -1/+13It's about time!
  • MommaLu, on 07/23/2008, -0/+25Now if I could only afford a BMW I'd be all set!
  • videoclipsmiami, on 07/23/2008, -2/+10Progress cannot be detained! Awesome. I assume prices will eventually go down.
  • tghd, on 07/23/2008, -10/+5Will they fall apart a month after you drive them off the lot like thier gas powered siblings?
    • mk3k, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Yea I wanted one badly but I heard a few horror stories about their lack of reliability.
      • 24imac, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1My Mom has one, and she has never had any issues, the only time it went to the shop was after a nasty Hail Storm in Fort Worth and the roof needed to be replaced due to hail damage.

        Then again, every car manufacture has some cars that come off aline that are total pieces of *****, regardless if the other 500,000 that were made are fine.

        Except if it is a Ford with a Duratech engine.....
      • slowmo, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Then again, any car in Texas will be destroyed by hail eventually.
    • superkendall, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1I've had mine since 2003 and have never had an issue. They are also one of the most highly rated for consumer satisfaction...
      • breadfred, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I work in insurance. Apparently you need to replace your windscreen more then once a year. Not a really big deal, but just annoying. Windscreen claims for Mini's are sky high.
  • slaverynin, on 07/23/2008, -4/+8The oil hike could be looked at as the best thing to ever happen for the environment. With all the hybrids and EVs coming out in the coming years it's actually a great thing.
    • s0l0s0ul, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1yeah! Its awesome that we can drive our cars across oceans and use them for the transportation of food, and for purposes of world trade! Im so glad that i can afford an electric car since i dont have to pay higher prices for groceries or any products that are made from oil.

      do i even need to write "sarcasm" at the end of this?

      The oil hike has been great for inspiring companies to invest in creating environmentally friendly alternatives to gsa guzzling vehicles on the road, but it has been ***** for keeping enough money in the average consumers pocket to be able to buy one of these vehicles.
      • slaverynin, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2It was the nudge that all the big auto makers needed, if people were still driving the same kind of cars they wouldn't be marketing all these new smaller, gas efficient cars. Are the hybrids and EVs free no but neither is that Hummer getting 8mpg. People have to buy cars before this happened the choices for fuel efficient/free cars was extremely limited.
    • floorman56, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1EVs coming out in the coming years it's actually a great thing

      I agaree ...everyone in L.A. should get one....So there is more cheap gas for me!!!!!
      • Blandyman, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1gas won't be cheaper for you, quotemaster.

        It'll just stay at it's same price for a while... or, rather, get even higher because it'll be a novelty because not as many people will want consumer-grade gasoline.
  • iloveliberals, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4I assume this is the direct result of some government program. I'd hate to think the so-called Free Market could bring solutions to the world's problems.
    • askantik, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2I noticed some sarcasm. Let me tell you, the free market does bring ***** like this. And it brings ones that are $60,000 like this one. That's really useful for a huge majority of the population, isn't it? Yeah, my point exactly. Maybe if our government did something rather than just TALKING about doing something, we'd have something more affordable, plus we might actually start to consume and use less rather than thinking that technology will evolve and just let us keep on keeping on until the end of time.
      • Badandy127, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1The government couldn't sell it for any less than $60k. They might subsidize it, but the free market will make it the most efficient way possible.

        What do you propose the government does? Go communist and open up a national factory and hand out cars to everyone?
      • Blandyman, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Badandy:

        Tax deductions for those companies that produce electric vehicles or provide the batteries.

        This could be earned back by the cost of electricity that will inevitably go up ANYWAY because of people owning these electric vehicles.

        Communism isn't the way a government can help an economic situation. It's just what a bunch of sensationalists jump to.
    • nathanbutnet, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3To quickly interject: neither the free market is all bad nor are government programs all bad. There is probably a healthy middle ground here and askantik I think alludes to: it would be great to see the US government, our government, take action to support efforts in this vein, like, oh, I don't know, changing the CAFE standards or at least letting my state, California, change them if the federal government will not.
    • paker, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1The consumer market worked pretty quick on the SUV and truck market when gasoline hit $4.00 per gallon.
  • KaiSe7eN, on 07/23/2008, -3/+9I couldn't care less about the price of these new electric vehicles coming out. It's all about progress and actually getting things out there. Just like your precious XBox and PS3...every new, shiny, and expensive toy will eventually come down...especially cars.
  • Masternajee, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8Another move towards breaking the dependence on oil. What a wonderful thing!!!
  • cpras3, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1It would be good ... but the price would anyways be dominant as its ofcourse BMW and they will never come down...
    • Chode2235, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2The current mini's base price is around 17k. FYI
  • nesibus, on 07/23/2008, -18/+3I'm gonna stick with my suv with its truck frame....I get 24mpg on the hwy....and when I hit one of these little bugs, I hope the occupants body parts get good mileage flying through the air in pieces...

    ....and I will softly push the airbag out of my way, and check myself for scratches...
    • mk3k, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5I don't like you.
    • Namakemono, on 07/23/2008, -3/+324 mpg my ass.
      • Namakemono, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1YOU do the research. Show me a truck-based SUV that gets 24 mpg or higher. You will not find one. Even the hybrid one from GM gets 22 mpg.
      • Namakemono, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1@thatguyfred - Cute list. However, I said TRUCK-BASED. Those are CAR-BASED. The original poster bragged about his "truck frame" SUV getting 24 mpg. FAIL, try again.

        Also, since your truck is not an SUV, your point is irrelevant.
    • Charun, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3And then come the vehicular manslaughter charges.
    • Sairynn, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4Please re-evaluate your morals.
    • loggedout, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that your attempt at humor failed.
    • BrewBeau, on 07/23/2008, -0/+224mpg on the highway isn't exactly good. Oh yeah, you're also an idiot.
  • lead2thehead, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3The good thing about high gas prices is that it's motivating people to look for alternative fuels. These electric cars are starting to pop up left and right.
    • 24imac, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1It motivates me to go nowhere and just download movies from TPB, eat at home, and make one trip to town for groceries/supplies, instead of several trips.

      I looked for alt fuels, Whiskey dont work, Tequila wont work, moonshine does but man does the car run like *****, I held a chickens ass to the gas tank inlet, couldn't get anything from it, I looked and could not find anything better than Gas.

      But if you mean the fat cats up on the hill in DC are looking, or the Oil Companies are motivated to look, I doubt that very much, they are doing to good to look for "Alternative" ways to loose money instead of making it.
  • darthzaphod, on 07/23/2008, -0/+15Minis already had relatively good gas consumption, so it's nice to know that the company believes even they too can help the problem.

    Not-quite-off-topic question: What are people who live in apartments supposed to do with an electric vehicle? I don't have a garage with a power outlet I could plug into...seems inconvenient for apartment dwellers. Maybe there's an obvious answer that I'm not privy to.
    • fracktica, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Seems like we're going to need some creative "authenticated" power protocol to track charging at different locations. Then there could be plugs in parking lots that different people could use every night..
    • cam0man, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3I see public parking spots with wall outlets for electrics all the time in the bay area. they're usually in free public parking garages too, I've never inspected them closely, just knew that my car wasn't supposed to park there.
    • darthzaphod, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I guess it might just take longer for smaller cities to adopt public parking spot outlets. I live in Lincoln, Nebraska and I very rarely see a hybrid driving around, let alone an electric car. Almost every hybrid I've seen had out-of-state plates, too.
    • aaronadms, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1GM announced yesterday that they are teaming with electric companies to iron out kinks like how apartment dwellers will charge their cars, what you'll do on vacations, and who pays for the electricity that is pulled from "public" outlets.

      http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g1DwJZ-b2zAWqBp ...

      So yeah, they're working on it..
  • CptSaladin, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4I couldn't be happier about this trend and the decisions it has enabled. The technology has been sitting on the shelf for far too long and I'm glad that crises overseas and ridiculous price hikes have spurned the car companies to finally use the technology they have had on their hands for years.
    • nathanbutnet, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Addenda to this: 'spurned [every frigging car company except those in America] to finally use the technology they have had on their hands for years.'
  • pitchblack16, on 07/23/2008, -6/+3i didnt even know BMW owned mini, but yay for the environment
  • jpowlus, on 07/23/2008, -1/+14Oh, the levels of smug that will come from me as I pass hybrids in my electric Mini...
  • idastheman, on 07/23/2008, -13/+4Does the saving of $2,000 a year compensate for looking like a douchebag on the road?
    • jrattner1, on 07/23/2008, -3/+2Note: You only look like a douche bag if you drive a scion
    • billbugger, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3does your comment compensate for your inadequacies?
    • ATLien74, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Mini's are more gay than douchie. Douche bags tend to drive Hummers and Lamborghini's.
  • BlackJackJester, on 07/23/2008, -8/+3This really doesn't help the whole "why are all futuristic/electric/hybrid/hydrogen cars so freaking ugly" problem. Thank god Tesla is trying to tackle that.
    • paker, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Because aerodynamics counts, and if you want to drive sports cars you pay sports car prices.
  • rglover, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3While a lot of people are complaining about affordability, you'd have to consider the concept: new technology. Similar to computers and electronics, the Mini will be the first of its kind, especially to be mass produced. Until there is a surge in sales of BMW's other vehicles, there's no reason to expect a price drop. In other words, if you have rich friend's, tell them to buy the new Mini next Summer.
  • paulot, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Finally, the alternative energy revolution is moving to more and more cars.
  • HubbertWins, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4"Until someone creates an electric car that violates the laws of physics and sells for $10,000, I won't buy one."
  • Tribis, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7Irony and 0% APR - http://i36.tinypic.com/vo4jmf.jpg
    • ToRoE, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4thank you for not making an entire new digg article just to digg this irony.

  • kidjay, on 07/23/2008, -7/+2most mini drivers make me want to set myself on fire. its like a cult of gay men, and annoying bitches.

    sucks that they're pretty cool cars.
    • 24imac, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Last I checked, My mother is not a "Gay Man", nor an "Annoying Bitch".

      I have been in her car, it is a nice small car that gets good mileage, I dont see how there could/would be a cult of Annoying Gay Bitch Men driving these cars.
    • luthien828, on 07/23/2008, -0/+0I'm fairly certain my husband is not gay. But I give you the cult comment. One that I will be entering myself in seven days, 17 hours, 26 minutes, and 03.14159 seconds.
    • tflowholdings, on 07/23/2008, -0/+0i hope you do set yourself on fire. though, that would increase your carbon footprint.
  • nathanbutnet, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3Boy at this rate every country in the world is going to be producing viable alternative fuel vehicles before the US.
  • bloodguard, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3My excitement is moderated by the fact that the stated price is 60K and they aren't giving up range figures (40 miles a charge? 50? 100?). For 20K I can buy a Hyundai and ~66K miles of gas ((10K/$5 gallon)*33 MPG). I'm all for encouraging clean tech but I think I'll let the zealots spend mad bank on being first adopters.
    • superkendall, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2I like MINI's (I own one) but I agree with you - one of the points of having a MINI is road trips, as in really long road trips. That's not practical if the car has no range.
    • overtoke, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2people need to choose the right thing to do. people need to choose to pay more to not use gasoline.

      when you eat do you find the cheapest you can find? or do you eat what is best for you?
      • bloodguard, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I buy the best food for me at the most reasonable price. Most people will run the numbers and decide to hold off until the cost/benefit ratio makes sense for them. 60K for a mini just doesn't make sense for most families.
      • floorman56, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2when you eat do you find the cheapest you can find? or do you eat what is best for you?

        I eat ...what I want..... Not what someone tells me.
    • crunchdigg, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1"Jim McDowell ... declined to comment on other aspects, such as range, power, charging time and price."

      no one except a sarcastic digger said the price was $60K.

      Then 30 other diggers: "$60K!!?? WTF! What are they thinking! I'll never buy one! It'll never pay for itself! I can't read!"

  • aolshove, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3“The world is moving in our direction. The overall market is down 10 percent, but small car sales are up 11 percent. People are trading in Ford F-150’s and Hummer’s for Mini’s.”

    Hmm.... sounds like a great time to buy a Hummer!
  • debtman7, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Wait, headline states Mini will be selling electric cars in the US in 2009.

    Article states that they haven't decided if they will sell them, or just lease them, and that speculation that they may be available next year in california (i.e. 2009) is premature.

    Huh?
  • superkendall, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7The funny thing is when I first got my MINI they were still pretty new, and every time I stopped for gas people would ask me if it was an electric car. I guess it didn't really register I was stopped at a GAS station...
  • skunalis, on 07/23/2008, -4/+1electric cars are the same as any car. where does this electricity come from??? fossil fuels!!!
    • Thrilltone, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Yes but only because big oil has so much invested in that infrastructure that they have been stifling all other options. We could use our deserts to power the homes, businesses and cars of the entire country, if we can manage to keep the Bureau of Land Management from sabotaging further attempts to establish more Thermal Solar Operations.

      http://ecoworldly.com/2008/04/12/mega-solar-the-wo ...
    • breadfred, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Not necessarily. It could come from nuclear or other renewable sources.
    • drgreenberg, on 07/23/2008, -0/+0Diversifying the energy sources for conventional vehicles requires the impractical undertaking of stocking many different fuels at every refilling station. Electric cars separate the ultimate energy source from the individual car. Any of a number of energy sources can be used to produce electric power, with each car needing to deal only with a single source. This makes it much easier to generate power in a variety of ways, including through cleaner ways of burning conventional fuels such as coal.

      There are also inherent advantages for the individual car. You don't need a multigear transmission since an electric motor produces torque over a broad RPM range staring at 0. Fewer moving parts means greater reliability. Can you can even put a motor in each wheel, eliminating transmissions entirely (see http://www.pmlflightlink.com/archive/news_mini.htm ... You also don't need to consume any power when at a standstill. And, as with hybrids, you can reclaim kinetic energy when you brake.
  • thedude13, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3liked the article when i read it yesterday: http://digg.com/autos/Electric_MINI_to_arrive_on_A ...
  • Thrilltone, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1Within two years we'll have a choice of cool little electric cars that sell for under $25k

    I've heard talk that these cars might need artificial engine noise, so pedestrians and bicycles can hear them coming but I've been riding my bike on the streets a lot lately and there are already a lot of gasoline cars that you don't hear their engines until they are 20 feet away.
    You do, however, hear their tires at least 50 feet away, so unless you're weariing headphones or something, you will probably hear an electric car coming.
    • BradHAWK, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Here's an NPR story, with audio, on hybrid noise:

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story ...

      (One thing that came to mind as I listened to that story is the potential for purchasable/downloadable "hybrid-car-tones", the 21st century equivalent to musical car horns.)
      • Thrilltone, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I don't know how they came up with that 'silent' audio.
        Go stand next to the road and listen as a modern quiet gas powered car approaches.
        You hear the tires long before you hear the engine.

        Maybe NPR has hovercars?
    • ATLien74, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1"I've heard talk that these cars might need artificial engine noise, so pedestrians and bicycles can hear them coming..."

      Or... you could stay out of traffic, and watch where the ***** you are going.
  • Mahoney07, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I wouldn't be surprised if this cost under $40,000. A basic mini costs $18,000
  • nesibus, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1I didn't mean wreck into them on purpose, I should have said...."if involved in an accident"

    Why is it so hard to buy into 24mpg on the hwy? I keep it around 65mph, and I don't have a lead foot. I average 18mpg driving back and forth to work...1 mile...2 red lights...30mph...(beats the 12mpg I was averaging in my Dodge truck)

    Its a Chevy Trail blazer...the whole 14-20mpg on the website is crap for the one I'm driving, I get better....its all in how you drive it.
  • tflowholdings, on 07/23/2008, -3/+0I drive a 2007 Cooper S (Turbo) . I'll race any of these new electric minis! Down with the environment its all about having fun before u die!
  • OffPiste, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2"Mini join a growing band of car-makers planning to sell electric cars over the next few years, including global brands like Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi and Mercedes, as well as new start-ups and independent companies such as Tesla and Th!nk."

    Uh Chevy Volt???????

    Typical bias. Green cars can't be built by American Big 3. We only build F-150's and Hummers. They'll be 100K Volts on the Road by 2011 and the media will completely ignore it.
  • beauley, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1There have been many attempts to design an electric powered vehicle for as long as the the internal combustion engine has been around. Unfortunately, battery power was never a formidable contender to the present internal combustion engine, but it looks as though the future looks more pronising.
    http://www.gomestic.com/Consumer-Information/The-E ...
    The Electric Vehicle, is It the Answer?
  • fabkebab, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0They probably realised that if they retrofitted the mini "clubmans" to run on electric, they might actually be able to sell some of them
  • bdbElysian, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1I like the idea of an electric MINI but I do not want to lose my manual transmission.
  • onlinedaksh, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1this is good news
  • aymproductions, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE my Mini Cooper Convertible. Looks like Ill have to trade it in next year for one of these bad boys
  • gkiltz, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Sooo, are they also going to pay for the upgrades to the electrical grid needed to support them?
    If so, where do they plan to get enough electricians?
  • teamposipeople, on 07/24/2008, -1/+0you can save your money for the car AND for gas by not driving at all. a lot of people are starting to make the conversion from driving to biking as a means of commute. you'll also save on maintenance costs for the car. http://blog.posipeople.com/2008/07/24/reduce-gas-c ...
  • likuid435, on 08/21/2008, -0/+0what people are forgetting here is that all electric plug-in cars are by no means "zero-emissions." yes, the concept of an all electric vehicle is wonderful, and yes, in and of itself the car is zero emissions. However, what people forget is that nearly 50% of electricity in the USA is generated from coal, which is not clean at all! And since plug-cars will be using this coal-generated electricity to power the car--NOT ZERO EMISSIONS!!I read a comparison study between electric and gas, and this is what they found.

    A Corolla gets 30-35 mpg (i forget what the average number was for their study). Which means for 100 miles of driving, they burned 3.23 gallons of gasoline, which equates to about 60 pounds (yes, pounds) of carbon dioxide.

    On an all electric car, 100 miles can be driven with about 31 kW-hours. I read 1.5 pounds of co2 are created per kWh, which equates to nearly 50 pounds of CO2 from an all electric, "zero-emissions" car. Conclusion: all electrics are not as good for the environment as people claim!!

    Now, keep in mind, this study was done with a Toyota Corolla, a non-hybrid car. Let's say it's compared to a prius, which gets 50 mpg. Since 50 mpg is 5/3 times the 30mpg that a corolla gets, that means the prius uses 3/5 the gas to go 100 miles, which also means it generates 3/5 the CO2 that the corolla does, which is about 36pounds of CO2 per 100 miles of driving. Therefore, a prius generates about 14pounds less (28% less) CO2 than a "zero emissions" car!!! So from the current energy situation, the electric cars are almost as bad as some normal gas cars, but they just pollute thru different means (normal cars burn the gasoline and create CO2 right from the engine, while 'zero emissions' cars pollute by burning coal to generate the electricity to begin with).
  • gormanwvzb, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1While I am not opposed to electric cars, one should consider all of the costs and benefits. If you live really close to work, or have other associated costs, then it may make sense. London is a great example of where electric cars may make sense. I read a great article titled "Electric Car Finds its Niche" at http://economicefficiency.blogspot.com/2008/08/ele ... The lady talks about how the car helped her to save a ton of money, as well where it doesn't work well with her.
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