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Even Whole Foods Fails: Greenpeace Seafood Report
boston.com — Buying fish at the grocery store is confusing when you are trying to be an ethical consumer - Greenpeace's latest Seafood report details which of your local supermarkets are shaping up with sustainable buying practices and which are falling way behind. All supermarkets fail, even the top ranking supermarkets score in at 4 out of 10 possible points.
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- philodygmn, on 06/18/2008, -10/+4Hemp seed/oil is better for you anyway.
http://web.mac.com/dynamist/iWeb/dynamist/duh/D5A4 ... - breadfred, on 06/18/2008, -1/+15I am not a regular fish-eater myself, but am all in favour of a clear labeling policy. In the UK, you can choose 'free range' chickens, with a separate label for 'organic'. Why are there not similar labels for fish?
- corbettkroehler, on 06/18/2008, -0/+3It's a great point! There most certainly should be. When I buy eggs, I face a similar dilemma, between organic and free range.
The whole system is rigged! - 8m4ck, on 06/18/2008, -0/+7One word: lobbyists
- idavidtang, on 06/18/2008, -0/+5Monsanto lobbyists to be exact.
- coyote1284, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1Right on the nose, 8m4ck
/I WANT YOUR (filet of) SOLE! - ubuwalker31, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2I'd rather be a lobbyist than a terrorist. Wait, they aren't terrorists...they are pirates. They illegally board ships and do illegal crap...so...there ya go
- Duositex, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2I definitely prefer free-range fish.
- Ellipsys, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1At the moment, I don't think the USDA has a policy for "organic" fish. However, there are labels for "wild caught" which are healthier for you than "farm raised", in general.
- TVarmy, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2Big issue with fish is that they can't really control what the fish get. Farmed fish are raised in sections of lakes or oceans that are netted off so the fish stay in that area. However, the fish "breathe" or eat anything that gets through the nets, so they get the toxins, conventionally grown bits of food, and all that other junk in the water that fits through the net. For it to fit with the organic standards on meat, if they were expanded to fish with no changes, the fish would need to eat feed made from fish or plants grown without fertilizer or pesticides, aside from a precious few determined to be safe like compost and manure.
There was a guy who designed an efficient system of indoor tanks to grow fish in a more ecological manner for people who live inland. This system could work with organic feed, and the big deal with it is that it could be located indoors in midwestern metropolitan areas wherever there is space, including basements, so that it saves energy related to shipping. Other perks are no toxins from the sea/lakes. Some animal rights advocates think the tanks are too small and the fish are unhappy, but I don't think the fish are smart enough to be that bothered. Probably beats keeping a goldfish in a tiny bowl. It sounds like it scales well, too, so maybe restaurants could even have their own private tanks.
- corbettkroehler, on 06/18/2008, -0/+3It's a great point! There most certainly should be. When I buy eggs, I face a similar dilemma, between organic and free range.
- corbettkroehler, on 06/18/2008, -10/+4Few people fully understand just how unsustainable our world's fishing practices are.
Check out the brief mention which Al Gore gives to this point in his update to An Inconvenient Truth. It's a dynamite 30-minute video.
http://www.HotAsVenus.com- jmkiii, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2Di-no-mite!!!
/sarcasm
- jmkiii, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2Di-no-mite!!!
- wild, on 06/18/2008, -8/+23Whole Foods? More like Whole Paycheck.
I am all for the evironment, but that place is too damned expensive.- dralter, on 06/18/2008, -1/+5At least where I live Whole Foods is either the same price or cheaper than Safeway.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1Where? I haven't noticed that any time I've been in one, I'd be curious.
- Duositex, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1The sunny island of hawaii perhaps.
- mlrigsby, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2I'm in Seattle and Whole Foods prices are quite comparable to Safeway here.
- Cornloaf, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1San Francisco area I find that Whole Foods is more expensive than Safeway in almost every department.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1Where? I haven't noticed that any time I've been in one, I'd be curious.
- Visual77, on 06/18/2008, -2/+10I find them to not be that expensive, especially on produce.
I am on a gluten-free and vegetarian diet, which means I buy a lot of produce and make my own stuff, and I can typically leave Whole Foods with at least 20-40% more than I would've at Vons / Smiths / Albertsons (the big three grocery stores in my region).- lrf2005, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2I have a GF GF, so I totally understand. We can find things there that are safe for her to eat that we cannot elsewhere.
- Namakemono, on 06/18/2008, -3/+1Your blowup doll doesn't count.
- Blademan88, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1i find that its typically the exact opposite, but to each his own
- lrf2005, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2I have a GF GF, so I totally understand. We can find things there that are safe for her to eat that we cannot elsewhere.
- Informacity, on 06/18/2008, -1/+1Typical QuACK....go into one first and compare the prices....they are about the same...
- Kronos6948, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1As a former employee, I can firmly say that there are a LOT of overpriced stuff in WF. But then again, it could be because I worked in Princeton, NJ, where a lot of people make a lot more money than where I live.
- wild, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1I am not a quack. In CHicago, it is really expensive compared to other things in the region. We have a lot of inexpensive local produce available.
- AmandaQ, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2I shop at WF and I find it to be very reasonable as long as you stay away from pre-packaged items. Buying fresh produce and bulk items, along with their store-brand organics you get the most bang for your buck. And the quality is unbeatable.
- dralter, on 06/18/2008, -1/+5At least where I live Whole Foods is either the same price or cheaper than Safeway.
- lolupissed, on 06/18/2008, -13/+8My best friend is a commercial fisherman, my brother is a commercial fisherman, and I am a parttime commercial fisherman. While I think conservation is a good thing you also have to look at the good it does it gives people jobs and supports local economies. In my the fish population would be a lot more sustainable if there was more limits on recreational fisherman and a better effort to clean up reefs and intracoastals. Down here in South Florida gray water run off (from high rises) has killed the intracoastal habitat causing more damage than commerical fisherman can do, imo.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/18/2008, -2/+19My grandfather was a commercial fisherman in New England and he watched the entire industry go down the tubes, mostly because of overfishing. I think it's highly suspect to blame hobby fishermen - how many fish are they going to catch compared to you guys? Jobs and the economic impact are always a concern, but it's way too shortsighted if that's the only reason not to make reforms. Maybe runoff does have a devastating effect, it's quite possible. But I think it's disingenuous to pass the buck like that; if reform is needed you can't expect not to have to make changes.
- wanderingsun, on 06/18/2008, -1/+13Ha! I can tell you for a fact, the recreational fisherman in this Alabama town aren't impacting fish populations at ALL.
(Well, my husband and his cronies aren't having any luck, anyway)
- wanderingsun, on 06/18/2008, -1/+13Ha! I can tell you for a fact, the recreational fisherman in this Alabama town aren't impacting fish populations at ALL.
- HonestAbe, on 06/18/2008, -3/+2Thanks for destroying the ecosystem.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/18/2008, -2/+19My grandfather was a commercial fisherman in New England and he watched the entire industry go down the tubes, mostly because of overfishing. I think it's highly suspect to blame hobby fishermen - how many fish are they going to catch compared to you guys? Jobs and the economic impact are always a concern, but it's way too shortsighted if that's the only reason not to make reforms. Maybe runoff does have a devastating effect, it's quite possible. But I think it's disingenuous to pass the buck like that; if reform is needed you can't expect not to have to make changes.
- samthurston, on 06/18/2008, -2/+13Why should that surprise anyone? Whole foods is just another grocery store chain...sure they have more organic options than some others, but they're not some panacea of sustainable agriculture.
- Petrarch1603, on 06/18/2008, -5/+41greenpeace's opposition to nuclear power has killed hundreds of thousands of people by continuing the use of coalfired powerplants.
- skidme, on 06/18/2008, -5/+11do they use people instead of coal?
- HonestAbe, on 06/18/2008, -3/+4Pollution from coal power plants kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. Nuclear would not.
- willy3121, on 06/18/2008, -0/+6WWHHHHHIIIIZZZZZSSSHHHHH
and thats the sound of a joke whizzing over your head
- willy3121, on 06/18/2008, -0/+6WWHHHHHIIIIZZZZZSSSHHHHH
- HonestAbe, on 06/18/2008, -3/+4Pollution from coal power plants kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. Nuclear would not.
- tschau, on 06/18/2008, -3/+4You're giving Greenpeace way too much credit regarding the amount of power they wield.
- skidme, on 06/18/2008, -5/+11do they use people instead of coal?
- stutimandal, on 06/18/2008, -1/+9The increasing human population will make any resource on earth short. A (large but) finite resource called Earth cannot support population boom of any (single or multiple) species.
- happyseamonster, on 06/18/2008, -9/+22Greenpeacers eat only steamed dirt.
- skidme, on 06/18/2008, -6/+2They only eat your mom/
- happyseamonster, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1Let's get off of mothers - I got off yours last night.
- cookingboy, on 06/18/2008, -3/+3Oh don't even get me started on Greenpeace....The only organization that's comparable to them is PETA. Why is Greenpeace against nuclear power anyway? I thought a nuclear war is the fastest way to eliminate modern human civilization, and isn't it what they wanted in the first place? Oh never mind, it would also kill the all the cute squirrels...
- skidme, on 06/18/2008, -6/+2They only eat your mom/
- withears, on 06/18/2008, -21/+3FIRST!
Digg me up bitches.- bjs3171, on 06/18/2008, -0/+7how does one bury more than once?
- serif69, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1I don't think I've ever seen someone fail so hard at being first.
- superkendall, on 06/18/2008, -11/+18After the whole Apple product fiasco where Greenpiece raised alarm against some Apple products for no good reason, I no longer trust Greenpiece to report anything accurately. They have become the ecologist who cried wolf once too often.
- bjs3171, on 06/18/2008, -3/+8for one report?
- juliettelucie, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1You mean the report that denounced the fact the Apple products are full of dangerous chemicals, and that asked Steve Jobs to be a leader in environment the same way he's a leader on cool technology? The campaign whose slogan was actually "I love my Apple, I just wish it came it green"?
- HonestAbe, on 06/18/2008, -6/+13Does Greenpeace *ever* have anything positive to say?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
Environmentalist movement or scaremongering beggars?- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2Yes, Greenpeace have started a clean energy campaign in the UK aimed at the establishment of CHP generators of the kind that are already in use in Scandanavia.
If you visit any Greenpeace site, you will find a long list of successes eg:
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/vict ...
These are things that have made the world a better place - for people like you.
You're like a scab crossing a picket line - sitting there snearing. You should do something positive yourself.
(unless of course you're a paid oil-industry shill, then different rules apply)
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2Yes, Greenpeace have started a clean energy campaign in the UK aimed at the establishment of CHP generators of the kind that are already in use in Scandanavia.
- mrzeero, on 06/18/2008, -3/+8There are to many people on the planet for the ecosystem to support. There needs to be a global effort to curb our population growth. It is the only thing that will truly help.
- serif69, on 06/18/2008, -1/+3Care to volunteer for the cause?
- thepotatoman, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1I think (or at least hope) he was referring to having less babies, not a horrible disaster/global war.
- serif69, on 06/18/2008, -1/+3Care to volunteer for the cause?
- bsonline, on 06/18/2008, -6/+8So... supermarkets are bending their ethics in order to make a higher profit at the expense of largely non-public entities? I thought food was immune to capitalism.
Meanwhile, I'm going to heat up some of last night's chicken pasta with garlic and onion. Coincidentally, I think I used pretty much all green ingredients. I assure you, it wasn't on purpose. I can't afford to find out if every bite of tuna I eat is dolphin free. It sure as hell isn't tuna free. Does anyone care? No. ***** tuna, they taste good.- dtilford, on 06/18/2008, -1/+4"***** tuna, they taste good."
Quote of the week...- bsonline, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1In all honesty, I stole that line. I want to say Dennis Leary, but I'm too lazy to verify.
- coyote1284, on 06/18/2008, -0/+3Those dolphin were delicious back in the day, too.
- dtilford, on 06/18/2008, -1/+4"***** tuna, they taste good."
- Blademan88, on 06/18/2008, -1/+5do they all fail? or is it just a ridiculously hard test meant to gain attention?
- sodade, on 06/18/2008, -3/+3I am going to be ***** pissed if the earth cancer that is the human race eliminates my ability to eat fish 2x a week.
- coyote1284, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2What are you, a hyper-intelligent hairless baboon?
- Informacity, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2no....probably just a used yuppie douche.
- coyote1284, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2What are you, a hyper-intelligent hairless baboon?
- webster, on 06/18/2008, -10/+4We woudn't have to worry about this if people just stopped eating fish and meat all together.
- HonestAbe, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2And ate what instead?
- onestrawplz, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1you only eat burgers all day?
don't play stupid.
- onestrawplz, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1you only eat burgers all day?
- yargthepirate, on 06/18/2008, -1/+3Then we'd just have to worry about babies starving to death because they aren't getting the proper nutrients.
- onestrawplz, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1except not...
http://www.dietitians.ca/news/downloads/vegetarian ...
- onestrawplz, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1except not...
- atariban, on 06/18/2008, -1/+1Ok hippie, you can give back the canine and incisor teeth (that are meant to eat meat with) that you were born with.
- onestrawplz, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1yes, because our canine teeth are comparable to those of real carnivores, like lions and cheetahs.
- HonestAbe, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2And ate what instead?
- atariban, on 06/18/2008, -5/+2Greenpeace has yet to publicly endorse a company for anything. I am beginning to think Hillary is Queen.
- juliettelucie, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Greenpeace doesn't endorse companies as a policy, so they can be independent through and through.
- Zihuatanejo, on 06/18/2008, -2/+4"Trying to be an ethical consumer"? You mean not stealing?
- dpcamp, on 06/18/2008, -9/+5honestly, if it tastes good, i don't give a flying ***** how it got on my plate.
- customer, on 06/18/2008, -7/+2Go vegan! Weee!
- BufordT, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2"Greenpeace's latest Seafood report details which of your local supermarkets are shaping up with sustainable buying practices and which are falling way behind. All supermarkets fail...."
None of the supermarkets on the list at the Greenpeace site are local for me. Not to mention that my local supermarket doesn't even sell fish (other than canned tuna). So to say all supermarkets fail is wrong. How about saying "all major supermarkets that sell fresh fish, that were evaluated fail the test"- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Splitting hairs are we?
- BufordT, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1No, I'm just pointing out that they made a blanket statement about an industry they have not taken the time to properly survey.
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Splitting hairs are we?
- atb12688, on 06/18/2008, -0/+4No one was surprised to see Walmart as one of the top supermarkets for fish? It seems like they really are cleaning up there act, at least when it comes to fish.
- DiggGeek24, on 06/18/2008, -7/+3Greenpeace is nothing but a neo-con front to make environmentalist look crazy plus they block wind, and nuke power plant to keep the oil, and coal companies in business
- rorster, on 06/18/2008, -6/+6What kind of communist buzzword is "ethical consumer"?
- BillE3, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1One that does not eat and gives money to greenpeas
- bestsoccerdog, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2Somehow, I have reason to believe that this report is innacurate due to the fact that Wal-Mart scored in the top 5. I mean, I highly doubt they care about their fish when they don't care about the customer.
- sindex, on 06/18/2008, -7/+12***** Greenpeace anyway.
- DirtPile, on 06/18/2008, -0/+3NYtimes published a good guide to responsible fish: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/dining/31fbox.ht ...
- TrevorBelmont, on 06/18/2008, -5/+11We're calling Green Peace a reliable source? Really??
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1Unless you have evidence to the contrary, yes.
They're certainly more reliable than any of the governments or industries that they take on.
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1Unless you have evidence to the contrary, yes.
- cutebutnerdy, on 06/18/2008, -1/+4If we would just stop being lazy consumers, and stop for a second and do little bit of research on what we are putting on our kitchen tables; I think we wouls surely stop purchasing the mass marketed crap on supermarket shelves. It is worth paying a little more for quality and eco-responsibility.
- graddatadda, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2every time I do my research. something goes out and debunks. I started drinking organic milk 2 years ago. But some of my friends so now that it's the WRONG KIND of organic milk. WTF...where does it end until I get a cow and milk it myself??
- Ellipsys, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1Not sure what they're referring to, but it could be that Horizon dairies was caught falsifying their organic claims a few years back - the USDA came down on them like a ton of bricks though, and they're up to code now. I give props to the USDA for enforcement, and not being bought off. That's the only "wrong kind" of organic milk I can think of.
- tony23, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1At least you would know it's fresh, and if there were any hormones used
- graddatadda, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2every time I do my research. something goes out and debunks. I started drinking organic milk 2 years ago. But some of my friends so now that it's the WRONG KIND of organic milk. WTF...where does it end until I get a cow and milk it myself??
- mrb4b00, on 06/18/2008, -3/+3If a species got eaten to extinction, its part of natural selection for being too tasty.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 06/18/2008, -3/+4Wait a minute, people actually listen to Greenpeace? It's been established a hundred times over that they're a bunch of attention-whoring extortionists and little else. I don't care if their intentions might be good or not. They're still assholes.
- cliffski, on 06/18/2008, -2/+2grow up you retard
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1Thanks for that insightful and moving comment. I will surely take your words into consideration and change my ways!
- cliffski, on 06/18/2008, -2/+2grow up you retard
- jla3114, on 06/18/2008, -4/+4It doesn't really matter. NO CAPITALIST CORP CAN BE SUSTAINABLE. Capitalism is not sustainable. The only thing you need to recognize to understand this fact is how a capitalist behaves when their market doesn't grow. While they may not want uncontrolled growth, they do expect growth every FY, which in the long run translate to uncontrolled growth over long periods of time. When their market holds steady or contracts they freak out as if the sky has fallen down around their ears.
- Informacity, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2yay socialism!
- jla3114, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2Maybe not yay, but we all need to understand that capitalism is part of the reason we are in the shape that we are in. Capitalism begat the Industrial Revolution, which was the start of our own destruction of the world.
- Informacity, on 06/18/2008, -0/+2yay socialism!
- friarcrazy, on 06/18/2008, -4/+2What the hell? Greenpeace has the most horse ***** website on the face of the planet. After viewing the "Red-list", a list of fish that are in the most danger of over fishing (they also happen to be the tastiest fish, IMO) I clicked on the "Green-list" suspecting to find a list of commercial fish that are both delicious and sustainable. What did I find? A list of suggestions for consumers to make to their local supermarkets about sustainably. So they tell us what fish we CAN'T eat (which are seriously all of the most popular seafood choices) but provide NO alternatives. If they can't at least make some helpful suggestions then I'll just stick with my delectable blue fin tuna. Mmmmmmm (Or rather, OHM NOM NOM)
- hendrixiloveyou, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1yellow fin tuna instead?
- lolupissed, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1To the people who say "hobby" fishing isn't impacting anything, I say move to South Florida. That is where I live and work and yes it does have a huge impact on things.
- Informacity, on 06/18/2008, -3/+1Simply put....we eat way too many things that shouldn't be available to us. But the bored people of the world love variety....especially in foods.
That said....Greenpeace has a good mission but they go about things all wrong...Who can respect them and their biased ratings.....Its like "Fair and Balanced", what a joke! - boardthis, on 06/18/2008, -2/+2the high and mighty greenpeace organization has the right to go around and start grading supermarkets on their sustainable seafood policies and practices? greenpeace is sounding more and more like a college aged social misfit living in his mother's basement and blogging bad grades towards people and organizations that put a "kick me" sign on his back.
- DJWingMan, on 06/18/2008, -1/+1Buried for being from Boston...
/Butthurt Laker - anillop, on 06/18/2008, -3/+4Unless your a vegetarian greenpeace will never approve. They are as worthless of an organization as PETA.
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1I'm not a vegetarian and I'm a member of Greenpeace.
And you sir, are so weak that you can't make a point without lieing. Why is that?
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1I'm not a vegetarian and I'm a member of Greenpeace.
- Papajohn56, on 06/18/2008, -4/+2hahahahaha HOLY ***** LOL at WALMART ranking ahead of TRADER JOE'S. What now hippies
- hobophobe, on 06/18/2008, -3/+4People tend to hate Greenpeace, PETA, the ACLU, et al. for some of their unpopular stances and actions. It's interesting how this then allows them to dismiss ANY stance, study, or action by these groups.
A fun freethinking test is to tell someone about a study by a reputable organization, a study with good sampling and models, and lay it out for them, but tell them it was done by Greenpeace. If they still react with contempt, go ahead and tell them who really conducted the study.
My experience is that it pisses people off, but maybe it makes them think a little bit about how they process information and gets them to think more critically in the future. - gleongelpi, on 06/18/2008, -2/+4So, who cares what Greenpeace thinks?
- cliffski, on 06/18/2008, -1/+212 year old emo ***** on digg don't, but ***** em, ill be dead when the environment is really trashed, you digg kiddies are the poor bastards that will live in it.
- Travelsonic, on 06/18/2008, -0/+1GREENPEACE, not the environmental movement in general, not non-radicals. There is a big difference between environmentalism, and environazi-ism
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2In my experience, the majority of people. I've stood in Trafalgar Sq in London and handed out leaflets while my mates hung a huge flag across Admiralty Arch,
I was a bit nervous at first, but we were treated like heros. There was one young man with a mouth like a cat's-arse who shouted "you're irresponsible", but everyone else - from silver-haired old gents to teenagers to people going off to work were all grateful for what we were doing.
In fact the only place were I come across anti-environmentalism is on social sites like this - that are almost certainly trolled by oil industry astroturf organisations.
- cliffski, on 06/18/2008, -1/+212 year old emo ***** on digg don't, but ***** em, ill be dead when the environment is really trashed, you digg kiddies are the poor bastards that will live in it.
- feihung08, on 06/18/2008, -1/+2I'm an avid Trader Joe's shopper and ex-employee......that bums me out. They used to pride themselves on having the freshest (best) flash frozen fish too. But I always wondered about the 3 eyes???
- mulling, on 06/18/2008, -1/+3I could be described as a 'tree hugger,' and even I think Greenpeace has done more harm than good to the environmental movement. Their opposition to nuclear power is idiotic and has kept coal plants running. WTG Greenpeace.
- Travelsonic, on 06/18/2008, -2/+3Since when was a radical group like Greenpeace ever a reliable source? They are as bad as PETA when it comes to showing distorted, flat-out-false, and outdated information as truth, and recent news.
- mesm0rized, on 06/18/2008, -1/+1Humanity is *****. The rich will die last -- but they will die too! :)
- TheSexyGeek, on 06/18/2008, -3/+1Jesus Christ! Can I just buy some ***** fish???
- JimXugle, on 06/18/2008, -0/+3You know, the whole concept of eating local sort of goes out the window when you're looking for a nice fish dinner in the middle of Pittsburgh.
- magus_melchior, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3Repeat after me: Greenpeace is a money-grubbing troll.
Now repeat it to your representatives and Senators.- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1No they aren't. The majority of people who work for Greenpeace are volunteers and Greenpeace as an organisation is no more money-grubbing than any other charity.
Now Exxon is a money grubbing troll. They make around a billion dollars a day, and no government has the balls to stand up to them. Greenpeace does.
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These boards are used by oil-company funded astroturf fronts. Who are you?- r00fus, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Well, then Greenpeace have ***** themselves. They went after Apple using spurious data and an agenda because Apple was "high profile". Now Apple aren't exactly angels, but they were given the shaft. Also Greenpeace is against Nuclear power which is much safer than the coal-fired plants used in existence today (coal mining destroys enviroment and miner's lives/health, and more uranium gets put into the atmosphere by coal than by nuclear by far).
So until Greenpeace gets their act together, I'm not supporting their trollish ways. I support the Union of Concerned Scientists, however.
- r00fus, on 06/21/2008, -0/+1Well, then Greenpeace have ***** themselves. They went after Apple using spurious data and an agenda because Apple was "high profile". Now Apple aren't exactly angels, but they were given the shaft. Also Greenpeace is against Nuclear power which is much safer than the coal-fired plants used in existence today (coal mining destroys enviroment and miner's lives/health, and more uranium gets put into the atmosphere by coal than by nuclear by far).
- nick111, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1No they aren't. The majority of people who work for Greenpeace are volunteers and Greenpeace as an organisation is no more money-grubbing than any other charity.
- meatmaker, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2I am the manager of a seafood department in a large supermarket and all you got to do is ask me and I will help you make sustainable choices. I do cringe at selling some of the stuff I sell, but a guys got to make a living. The truth is that with the world's population continuing to grow; the only possible saver of ocean diversity is farmed fish in well managed ponds. I am saddened that most of my customers think that farm raised is automatically bad because of some truly bad practices by some producers.
All seafood in the US must conform to C.O.O.L. ( country of origin labeling ) so you will know where and how its raised. Look here http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_regi ... to see if its on the safe list. Or ask your friendly fish guy : ) -
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