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Manhattan says goodbye to the car ... just a little
guardian.co.uk — The New York mayor Michael Bloomberg has hit back, after his plans for a congestion charge for the city were rebuffed, with a modest but eye-catching scheme to carve a seven-mile path through the center of Manhattan and turn it over ever so briefly to pedestrians.
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- gavinhudson, on 06/18/2008, -29/+27So dissapointing that they didn't adopt congestion charging.
- peterjmag, on 06/18/2008, -9/+25Why's that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the congestion charge seems to have been mostly a failure in London so far, and I don't think it'd fare much better in New York.
- breadfred, on 06/18/2008, -13/+8How is this a failure? Congestion has decreased. Public transport has blossomed. In a well designed city where public transport is well-organised, people who still want to drive their house-on-wheels and contribute to the real problem of congestion and pollution, this is a good thing. Park and ride facilitiesare widely available.
- borez, on 06/18/2008, -1/+27Are you kidding me, congestion has not fallen and public transport has not blossomed. It costs more if you need a plumber/electrician etc. If you have a business requiring you to drive in London your paying a fortune more than you were, if you're a shop or restaurant within the zone you are losing money from loss of customers and if you do drive around the zone you're suffering from extra traffic flow as people try to go around instead of through.
It is and always has been a money making stealth tax, it's got nothing to do with congestion.
- borez, on 06/18/2008, -1/+27Are you kidding me, congestion has not fallen and public transport has not blossomed. It costs more if you need a plumber/electrician etc. If you have a business requiring you to drive in London your paying a fortune more than you were, if you're a shop or restaurant within the zone you are losing money from loss of customers and if you do drive around the zone you're suffering from extra traffic flow as people try to go around instead of through.
- kinggimped, on 06/19/2008, -5/+4A failure in terms of popularity, but pretty much an overwhelming success in reducing congestion.
Compared with George Bush, who has failed massively in terms of popularity and at everything else he set out to do, unless being a colossal douche ranked amongst his pre-presidential ambitions.- AModlin, on 06/19/2008, -1/+4Congratulations, you're the winner of the ranting political tangent comment award. It's awarded to retards daily.
- kinggimped, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1That was a rant? I thought it was a comparison.
You need to turn down your gimp-o-meter, dear boy. Find a deserving target for calling someone a daily retard. I'm speaking truth, and in complete sentences.
Since when was insulting GWB political, anyway? Over here it's something of a national pastime.
- breadfred, on 06/18/2008, -13/+8How is this a failure? Congestion has decreased. Public transport has blossomed. In a well designed city where public transport is well-organised, people who still want to drive their house-on-wheels and contribute to the real problem of congestion and pollution, this is a good thing. Park and ride facilitiesare widely available.
- diggzoid, on 06/19/2008, -3/+5I agree I wish they'd tried it. The feds were going to throw in $300M that went to waste too.
- so1980, on 06/19/2008, -4/+1probably went to buying more bombs instead.
- rezist, on 06/19/2008, -2/+7that plan needed a lot of work. if you look at the amount of $ that delivery driver, and freight drivers would be charged (well their respective companies) you can be sure that is would have led to an increase in goods. However having driven in NYC for awhile and selling my car recently, I can say that paying such a toll would have limited my driving to manhattan, but not from going there via mass transit.
- rezist, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1damn, I can't believe I typed that, WTF the grammar is disgusting, is my keyboard broken?
- anothrnbdy, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1I don't think it is a keyboard problem...
- rezist, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1damn, I can't believe I typed that, WTF the grammar is disgusting, is my keyboard broken?
- GreenGrassyNoel, on 06/19/2008, -2/+2Democrats did not support the bill because they thought it would be unfairly applied. The wealthy who live in Manhattan would not be paying a lot while the poorer would have to pay the charge. I love the idea, but like rezist said, it needed work.
- flfny, on 06/19/2008, -4/+3I'm happy it didn't pass. Anybody east of the East river would have had to make a HUGE detour to not pay a toll to go to NJ. So from Queens you'd pay $8 on all the west bound bridges. Not cool!
You want to reduce congestion, reduce the number of taxies. Fine double parked vehicles. But the city won't do that. They get something like $300000 for a single license. It's a cashcow.- Origin415, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1I don't know how you get to NJ, but I go over Staten Island.
- peterjmag, on 06/18/2008, -9/+25Why's that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the congestion charge seems to have been mostly a failure in London so far, and I don't think it'd fare much better in New York.
- Fangsinmybeard, on 06/18/2008, -8/+4I think voluntary is good, but involuntary in a passive way works a hell of a lot better.
- ontain, on 06/18/2008, -3/+11sounds like it'll be great for tourism too.
- BigManOnCampus, on 06/18/2008, -6/+1The equivalent in Los Angeles would be to clear the 405 or the 10 of traffic for a while, but it couldn't possibly have the same effect.
- Coven, on 06/19/2008, -1/+7The 405 and the 10 are major highways. The streets they intend to close are city streets. This would be nothing like what you are suggesting.
- YoctoYotta, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Hey hey now, I read somewhere once that the streets there are HUGE, believe me.
- Coven, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1I live in NYC. Park avenue is 3 lanes in either direction, with a center median. It is probably the widest street in Manhattan, but is still nowhere near as wide as a major highway.
- BigManOnCampus, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1The point is Los Angeles is spread out, so major highways serve the purpose of major boulevards.
- YoctoYotta, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Hey hey now, I read somewhere once that the streets there are HUGE, believe me.
- Coven, on 06/19/2008, -1/+7The 405 and the 10 are major highways. The streets they intend to close are city streets. This would be nothing like what you are suggesting.
- zeitgueist, on 06/18/2008, -0/+88Think of how bad NYC would be if they didn't already have a thriving subway system.
Oh wait, that's LA.- Coven, on 06/19/2008, -2/+20a subway system under seismically active land? They should make a movie about that.
Oh wait...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120461/- maiku00, on 06/19/2008, -0/+9theres plenty of alternatives, like lightrail
- cdigioia, on 06/19/2008, -0/+14Japan is seismically active and has extensive subway systems.
- Alex2, on 06/19/2008, -1/+3LA does have a subway.
fyi.- cdigioia, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Not exactly a thriving one, though.
- CucumberBoy, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2That movie was terrible
- rezist, on 06/19/2008, -1/+5except there are over twice the number of people in NYC. it would be far worse in NY without a subway system.
- Coven, on 06/19/2008, -2/+20a subway system under seismically active land? They should make a movie about that.
- asskicker32, on 06/18/2008, -4/+18Id love to see this sort of thing in San Francisco. Close down Market Street? Heck, close it permanently to cars and just allow street cars, buses and emergency vehicles... I think if we start doing this one street at a time, we will learn to adjust.
- RyogaVee, on 06/19/2008, -4/+2Id support that! I think it would be amazing. People can still get around using the side streets.
- mattmy, on 06/18/2008, -0/+15So the rest of the streets will just be that much more congested?
- fludgesickles, on 06/18/2008, -14/+30i HATE congestion charge *****
Subways and buses are already PACKED.
Less cars = more people using public transportation = A LOT MORE CROWDED subways and buses = worse MTA cuz it's service is already horrible as it is = worse manhattan and nyc- prosayik, on 06/18/2008, -5/+11The congestion charge can pay for things like the new 2nd avenue line and other future lines. If the money doesn't come now it will be even worse 5 years from now with the amount of people. It will take years to build that infrastructure so the sooner the money comes in, the better.
- JohnILM, on 06/19/2008, -2/+9The New York City Mass Transit Authority has 7 million riders a day with the average fare being over $1 ... Where is this $7 million dollars a day going? I know they have a lot of employees, but even if they had 5,000 employees making 50,000 a year which they don't, they could still pay that in 35 days. They are always complaining about having no money, but they were already caught a few times hiding hundreds of millions of surplus (which they blamed on better markets for land they own --- come on). The MTA is corrupt.
So, the congestion charge, while nice for helping with traffic, will do nothing but make the streets of Manhattan more 'spacious' for the rich, while the poor are packed like dogs in crowded subways and the other poor (who have no easy access to the MTA to get them all the way from their homes to the low wage jobs in Manhattan) have to give up something else because they have to pay an extra 8 dollars to get to work.- satalight, on 06/19/2008, -1/+05,000 employees? Try 67,000.
http://www.mta.info/mta/network.htm
- satalight, on 06/19/2008, -1/+05,000 employees? Try 67,000.
- sagat, on 06/19/2008, -2/+6The MTA and the unions are like a great bottomless pit where good money goes and becomes lost for all eternity. Ever wonder where it goes? just watch work on the subway, you might see a sign getting replaced, it's quite a sight. One guy removes the screws, one guy holds the screws, one guy takes the unscrewed sign, one guy mounts the other while the first screws the screws the second has been holding, then you notice the 5th guy, what the hell is he doing? You guessed it supervising for safety just in case one of his union guys might lose a limb during the delicate operation. But don't feel sorry for the sign mounting crew and their backbreaking dangerous work. It's ok not only are they well payed but they get to retire to full pension at the ripe age of 50.
- satalight, on 06/19/2008, -0/+0What are we doing in front of computers all day?
- JohnILM, on 06/19/2008, -2/+9The New York City Mass Transit Authority has 7 million riders a day with the average fare being over $1 ... Where is this $7 million dollars a day going? I know they have a lot of employees, but even if they had 5,000 employees making 50,000 a year which they don't, they could still pay that in 35 days. They are always complaining about having no money, but they were already caught a few times hiding hundreds of millions of surplus (which they blamed on better markets for land they own --- come on). The MTA is corrupt.
- exomni, on 06/19/2008, -5/+13You're pretty thick. A car for one takes up more space than a subway car for 100. If more people use public transportation, then more subway cars and lines will be built.
- GreenGrassyNoel, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5Umm, except you "forgot" that more people on subway = more money for MTA = better service.... unless they give it all to the unions...
- kanariya, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2more subway lines to be built = more price hike.
it's bad already to increase the subway fare every 2 years.
- prosayik, on 06/18/2008, -5/+11The congestion charge can pay for things like the new 2nd avenue line and other future lines. If the money doesn't come now it will be even worse 5 years from now with the amount of people. It will take years to build that infrastructure so the sooner the money comes in, the better.
- SilentSpyder, on 06/19/2008, -8/+3Viva Colombia!
- alsiddiq, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6What about my Vespa?
- notzak, on 06/19/2008, -4/+64Buried because I was hoping he had introduced giant green spiky ball transportation :(
- chrissku, on 06/19/2008, -0/+13Not the whole thing....just the tip.
- BodomX, on 06/19/2008, -2/+9That's what she said..
- andy314159pi, on 06/19/2008, -8/+2Most people who end up in Manhattan either missed the Park'n'Ride exit before one of the tunnels or bridges or they are super-rich. Either way they should still be coughing up dough for bringing their freaking oversized vehicles onto the island that belongs to the pedestrian.
- rezist, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3you are basically wrong. I just sold my car this week, but drove in NYC for a long time. The entire borough is filled with cars constantly. The types of people in those cars cary immensely! I'm not rich and I took my car a lot when I needed to purchase and or transport big *****.
- edwartica, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2There's also the fact that some people HAVE to drive due to physical limitations. Try telling someone with sever foot pain that they must walk, ride a bike, or take a crowded subway where there's no guarantee they'll get to sit down.
- SweetBearCub, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3No one *has to* drive, severe foot pain or not.
Have you missed the invention of the power wheelchair? A device designed specifically for people with disabilities that can be adapted in a mind-boggling number of ways? (Tilt/recline seating controlled through the joystick, power elevating legrests, sip-n-puff controls, etc..)
Also, maneuvering through most cities such as NYC or San Francisco is far faster in a reasonably speedy power wheelchair (mine can reach a regular person's jogging speed) than driving, since you can essentially forget about one-way streets. Plus, you don't have to pay for parking, gas, or insurance. Upkeep may be covered by your medical insurance.
Of course, you will not be able to carry an extreme amount of cargo, you will have to be prepared for inclement weather, and above all, YOU MUST BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AT ALL TIMES, or people can be seriously injured, and you can be sued. This means that you need to move out of the flow of traffic and stop the chair before you start blabbing on the cell phone.- edwartica, on 06/19/2008, -2/+1OMG. So just because someone can't walk as good as you can means they shouldn't walk under there own power at all? ***** ignorant bastard.
- Gonthim, on 06/19/2008, -1/+3Come on edwartica. At least try to pay attention. Bear says right in the second paragraph that he uses a chair. He's giving you an option you moron.
Besides which, isn't driving a car not walking? You just advocated for people with disabilities being able to drive, but then when someone gives you a different option to get around, you blast them for some ***** they never said. - SweetBearCub, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Thank you, Gonthim. Finally, someone who took the comment as it was intended.
Go forth and multiply. - edwartica, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2@sweetbearcub
Firstly, I apologize for calling you an ignorant bastard. I saw the first line, a wall of text, and got on the defense.
However, as someone who uses a powerchair yourself, do you see my point about rather moving under my own, albeit limited, movement rather than having to use a machine? I mean, I don't know your condition, and if you can walk, but you could most likely understand the drawbacks of using a chair. I will, most likely, have to use a chair later in life, but I would rather not until I absolutely have to.
Anyways, again, sorry I got on the defense. - SweetBearCub, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2edwartica - I can walk some distance (Up to about 3 city blocks) but I pay for it in excruciating pain, and my feet will swell up enough to where I have seriously considered cutting off my socks and shoes.
From my perspective, driving the power wheelchair and doing specific exercises at the YMCA are far better than the alternative. (Walking & pain.)
Like you, I understand that power wheelchairs have limitations. Nothing is perfect. But, I have found that those limitations are minor in contrast to the freedom that a power wheelchair gives me.
As a minor aside - When I lived in FL, no DR would help me get a power wheelchair, so I drove my car everywhere instead. It got to be quite expensive. When I moved to San Francisco, the car was far too expensive of an option, so I investigated getting a power wheelchair, and found the DRs here to be much more helpful.
- SweetBearCub, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3No one *has to* drive, severe foot pain or not.
- paradexes, on 06/19/2008, -1/+11Having been a NYC native, this has pro's and con's I agree with fludgesickles partially....except that this seems to be happening on weekends, so the impact might not be so bad. And I dont necessarily agree with the MTA service being bad. It could be ALOT worse. It works and gets you were you need to be. You need to try the California Bay Area transit system. It is slow as molasses to get anywhere using public transporation, and it is expensive on top of that.
Getting rid of traffic for a day would be an intresting experiment. And one way to save the city money which can go towards other things.- kanariya, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1go out of the country and try the subway in hong kong, japan, europe, etc...
you'll realize how much piece of ***** the NYC subway is.
- kanariya, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1go out of the country and try the subway in hong kong, japan, europe, etc...
- leorcastillo, on 06/19/2008, -7/+5This is incredibly cool! The more drastic the better I say.
- holyreality, on 06/19/2008, -5/+4I can't wait for this.
- kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -3/+23They block off streets for festivals almost every weekend for festivals, it's great.
- Ravatar, on 06/19/2008, -1/+24Thanks for posting your comment for posting your comment.
- kenvsryu, on 06/19/2008, -4/+1These are not the droids you are looking for.
- Ravatar, on 06/19/2008, -1/+24Thanks for posting your comment for posting your comment.
- MuskokasFinest, on 06/19/2008, -1/+57am to 1pm? That's only 6 hours, doesn't sound like a full day to me.
Oh well, I guess it's a start. - diggzoid, on 06/19/2008, -5/+3This is good news! There has been a major addition in bike lane miles in the last few years, so trying this sort of thing out will encourage people to WALK and BIKE and leave their cars in the 'burbs or where the hell they keep them
- thatguy331, on 06/19/2008, -10/+5Bloomberg is an idiot, first he gets his panties in a twist banning colored guns in NYC (like it isn't tough enough to own a gun for protection there) then tries to sue a bunch of out-of-state gun shops in NY courts, blaming them for what criminals do. NEWS FLASH: The rest of NY wants little to do with NYC, I wish they'd make it its own little district like DC, and leave the rest of NY alone.
- violentvinyl, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3NEW FLASH: NYC has tried this before, it always gets shot down. Albany collects way too much money from NYC to let them secede.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_secessi ...- rabidg00se, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Very interesting read. As a native of NYC, I always hear jokes about secession, but I hadn't realized it had been attempted.
- violentvinyl, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3NEW FLASH: NYC has tried this before, it always gets shot down. Albany collects way too much money from NYC to let them secede.
- RockStarMVP, on 06/19/2008, -9/+3Living in Brooklyn and being on call 24/7 for a job in mid town Manhattan I have to drive because I hate mass transit and its not the most reliable and fastest way to get to and from work. Any time any street is closed it creates more traffic on the streets that are open wither its a street fare or a fire truck blocking the road it has a ripple effect on the surrounding roads. I think this is a retarded idea. Don't block off roads unless you are going to cancel peoples jobs so it can just be a large party for half the day otherwise if people still need to get places leave the roads alone
- Benminnn, on 06/19/2008, -3/+5I think you're a little confused about what the phrase "have to" means; hating something doesn't mean that you /can't/ use it, you just don't /want/ to.
- Ravatar, on 06/19/2008, -5/+4It is the most reliable if your line isn't the G. I think you driving in Manhattan is a retarded idea, but to each his own. Also, ***** you if you think there shouldn't be street fairs because it digs into your oh-so-important travel time, this city isn't here to serve you so learn to compromise.
- so1980, on 06/19/2008, -1/+2there's no way you drive from Brooklyn to mid-town faster than the train can take you, unless you live way out in the boonies--like Sheepshead Bay. in that case, move closer or get a new job. better yet, get a bike, it's the fastest way to get around NYC.
i do 9 miles in 30 minutes--the train takes 45.- Ravatar, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Exactly, im just past Williamsburg and it's maybe 20 minutes to Union. another 10 for grand central.
- edwartica, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2One street? Wimps!
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf ... - urbanlindsay, on 06/19/2008, -4/+0Hooray for NYC! Now if the rest of the country would catch on - even if it is only several days a year - it's a start. nothing worthwhile is ever easy.
- sagat, on 06/19/2008, -2/+9Yes now when I want to take a bus or a cab up Madison or down Lex on a Saturday I can look forward to sitting in backed up traffic due to the fact that Park Ave is ***** closed! People who live in Manhattan and don't have cars rely on Busses and cabs especially when the MTA likes to disrupt subway as much as possible on the weekend, what service is shutting down one of the cities main arteries doing for us?
- siandt, on 06/19/2008, -1/+0Same question here. I take the crosstown bus nearly every day, mostly because I'm terribly lazy, and I want to know whether the buses will still be able to cross fourth av. Even if they can pass, I doubt it will even be worth my taking them anymore - it'll probably be faster just to leg it. Damnable forced exercise.
- senatorpjt, on 06/19/2008, -4/+9Just what I needed - another reason never go to NYC again.
- Slick37c, on 06/19/2008, -2/+3Can't wait to go down and check it out! Looks like a lot of fun.
- smackythefrog, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1"One step closer" ooooooooo. Lemme know when it happens.
- PadeOne, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Too bad they didn't adopt congestion pricing? Surely you don't drive or live on the three states that depend on New York City in order to make a living. I know some colleagues who spend one third of their income on commuting, and that's not including rental or mortgage payments and food for their families. I'm also originally from Colombia, but raised in Brooklyn so I'm familiar with what Bloomberg is doing, which truly provides an great sense of community and fun when you open up the streets the way that he's proposed. Bloomberg has done a GREAT job with the city, creating great resources for people in general, such as small businesses start up assistance, putting the pressure in schools, fixing and creating more park and recreation areas, providing more greenery, improving NYC's landscape by beautifying it, providing cycling paths, equaling or perhaps passing Portland, OR or good ol' San Fran, which is a feat in itself considering that this is the most populated city in the nation, especially during work hours, which more than doubles its size. I could honestly walk through most neighborhoods and somehow feel that small town feel, with strangers actually greeting you with a formal salute, instead of asking you, "What the F*ck you looking at?
- harrybozack, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2If you spend 1/3 of your money commuting you're not doing it right
- username7D8, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2how do you know how much this guy makes for a living? I live on long island and commute into NYC everyday. Costs me 350 smacks a month. Thankfully it's not 1/3 of MY salary... but you don't know what others make.
- harrybozack, on 06/19/2008, -3/+2If you spend 1/3 of your money commuting you're not doing it right
- Betrayal, on 06/19/2008, -3/+3I don't like Bloomberg but i like this idea. Clearing some parts from traffic off of Manhattan surface will be good. More relaxed street life, cafe's and baguettes and hot girls i hope.
- Betrayal, on 06/19/2008, -5/+2I don't like Bloomberg but i like this idea. Clearing some parts from traffic off of Manhattan surface will be good. More relaxed street life, cafe's and baguettes and hot girls i hope.
- brbubba, on 06/19/2008, -2/+2I've been saying for years that NYC needs to close a significant portion of their streets to all vehicle traffic permanently. It would completely revolutionize the city into what I believe is the future of all major urban centers.
- PadeOne, on 06/19/2008, -2/+5Oh and by the way, if you live in Brooklyn and commute via train, it's only a 15 - 30 minute ride for only 2 bucks. Sure beats wasting a quarter tank in gas and a $30 parking fee. So get the fock off you car and start using the train more, it'll help you do exercise, you fat bastard! http://www.capebretonpost.com/index.cfm?sid=145032 ...
- rezist, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1No, only partially true. If you live in downtown BK yeah it's 15 min. However you forget how big BK is... depending on where one gets on you might need to transfer and wait for more than one train. It has taken me well over an hour at times to get to manhattan.
- vladimirpoopen, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Congestion pricing will only hurt the middle and lower class. The wealthy will still continue to travel via Lincoln town cars (with their "drivers"). I believe Bloomberg is attempting to rid the city of the "have-nots". Just like his cigarette tax is to get people to quit but NYC continues to go after people that purchase cigarettes online because they want that tax revenue.
- aserer511, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3ugh. i ***** hate the environmentalist agenda. I think it's stupid to drive in NYC, but you can't ethically ban cars in a city if people wanna drive to work/OWN CARS. NYCers should be able to OWN cars to yknow, get out of the city
- Betrayal, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1It won't help you much if the Cloverfield monster attacks Manhattan.
- GreenGrassyNoel, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3People are not smart. They do not make rational choices. This is why the government needs to help them.
- digdug2020, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1Move to China idiot. See how much the government there helps you out. I'll take the judgement of most people over an abstract government any day.
- username7D8, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1talk about a long commute!
- digdug2020, on 06/19/2008, -1/+1Move to China idiot. See how much the government there helps you out. I'll take the judgement of most people over an abstract government any day.
- TrevorBelmont, on 06/19/2008, -0/+10I was just wondering why it seems that everyone in this thread was being unusually prickish. Then it hit me, who's gonna comment on traffic in NYC? New Yorkers!
- username7D8, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5I am a NYer... so I just wanted to say go ***** yourself! ;-)
- Ortheos, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Why not reward all the people that ride their bicycles to work.
- flfny, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1It's a good idea but it'll just route ALL the traffic to other avenues. It'll be horrible. Bloomberg should of limited the amount of taxies in the city as well. I swear last week I was a little grey dot in a sea of yellow. No offence taxi drivers, but they're too many of you in one area. That said, when I need one, it always takes me forever to find one.
- kbattack, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1what an excellent idea. every city should get on board
- digdug2020, on 06/19/2008, -0/+0No they shouldn't. The vast majority of cities are no where near as crowded as New York.
- rootbeerinacan, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Why in the ***** are there those green things there???
- jack57, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2lol, the picture is for an ad found on the page.
- bobbknight, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Cool, but what do the spiky balls have to do with this.
- minox, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Bloomberg still gets driven to the mayor's office every day. He lives on the Upper East Side very close to the 4,5,6 line. I wonder if he knows these lines have a stop appropriately named "City Hall."
- username7D8, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3I don't think it would be very safe for the mayor to be commuting via mass transit everyday.
- jeshjohn, on 06/19/2008, -1/+3Ah the perfect place to run over a bunch of pedestrians. Time to steal a car.
- username7D8, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2This is all well and good... but who knows how it will work if they tried it during the week.
NYC Weekdays != NYC Weekends - Freedom4Tibet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2I've actually ridden in the Ciclovia that they talk about in Bogota, Colombia. It is such a great idea and works extremely well and will bring back a sense of community in the city. America is one of the only countries where this idea would be critized by people who don't want to feel like they have to sacrifice anything for anyone. USE USE USE! BUY BUY BUY!
- Freedom4Tibet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1The Ciclovia in Bogota, Colombia:
http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/ciclovia/ - metallic07039, on 06/19/2008, -0/+2Cool!
- TheWiredNerv, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Cars in Manhattan have always been a terrible idea. I'd be all for banning most cars from the city except for those necessary for services.
- Makave22, on 06/19/2008, -0/+0I like the Idea, Sound great But wait till you done and going home on the Subway.
- Freedom4Tibet, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Why don't you just BIKE home? Duh.
- ChinezePanda, on 06/19/2008, -0/+1Please allow dogs in the subway and on busses Mike!.
And not in a bag. My dog is not chinese food.
He is actually more well behaved than pretty much any child and public school teen.
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