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ecologycenter.org — Yet another reason to stop the farce of the war on drugs and start regulating pot growers like all other farmers. Consumers should demand the greening of the green, and move growers in the direction of environmentally friendly marijuana.
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- bixby1, on 07/02/2008, -4/+37I live in California and I love the weed. We don't think about how it gets to the pipe because it's so abundant. This article illuminates why we should start considering the fact that marijuana is a crop and should be held to the same standards as tobacco (and other) farmers.
- MrColdheart, on 07/03/2008, -1/+6No Big Tobacco was one of the forces that let Marijuana to be illegal in the first place.
- l034me, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3and DuPont
- MrColdheart, on 07/03/2008, -1/+6No Big Tobacco was one of the forces that let Marijuana to be illegal in the first place.
- sarchosis, on 07/02/2008, -4/+36What people don't realize is that not only can marijuana be smoked, but hemp can be used to make paper. That means we can stop using trees for paper, and instead use an annual crop. Biomass is also a possible use, probably better than using corn.
- FLarsen, on 07/03/2008, -2/+6Not to mention clothing and possibly a lot of other things as well.
Damn, is there something that plant -can't- do? Other than kill you, I know it can't do that.- bpoteat, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Don't underestimate a motivated government.
- Killwize, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5Plus you can eat it... ;D
(before its turned into your underwear)- FeloniusMonkey, on 07/03/2008, -3/+2Maybe hemp underwear would sound more appealing after I've worn burlap underwear for a day.
- RedAmerican, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3good point sarchosis. Hemp production could, in theory, replace the cotton, timber and petrol industries in one felled swoop :)
- ancalagon73, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0"Biomass is also a possible use, probably better than using corn."
We would have too many tailgaters. :-p- FLarsen, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1You can't get high on hemp.
- FLarsen, on 07/03/2008, -2/+6Not to mention clothing and possibly a lot of other things as well.
- ironeus, on 08/01/2008, -3/+9with every business going green it makes complete sense.
- HuskyPuzzle, on 07/02/2008, -3/+16Great article. It is completely ridiculous that the number one cash crop in America is not recognized as a crop at all. I had never thought about the effect farms were having on the CA environment. Thanks for this.
- OMnicient, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1They did mention that legal farmers were a lot kinder to the earth than illegal ones.
The point is that none of this destruction would go on if marijuana was regulated and available legally.- floatingorb, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1"There is a serious distinction to be made. Many medical [legal] marijuana growers are some of the most responsible citizens around. They buy soil in bulk, use rat traps instead of poison, water with timers and drip systems. They have very little physical impact on the land. I'm not up against legal growers...."
- OMnicient, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1They did mention that legal farmers were a lot kinder to the earth than illegal ones.
- alapoet, on 07/02/2008, -1/+16FTA, and a very important point:
Allman wants to clarify one point: "There is a ser-ious distinction to be made. Many medical [legal] marijuana growers are some of the most responsible citizens around. They buy soil in bulk, use rat traps instead of poison, water with timers and drip systems. They have very little physical impact on the land. I'm not up against legal growers. The ones I'm concerned with are the ones polluting the environment in the name of huge profits. The plants are seasonal, but the environmental damage lasts forever."- mk3k, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2There are no legal growers. Federally it's illegal. They have to worry about being busted.
- MrColdheart, on 07/03/2008, -14/+2OK
If your reading this comment you will have bad luck if you don't smoke/eat Marijuana.
Do it in the next 4 minutes 20 seconds and you'll become a millionaire in the next 5 years.
Do it in the next 4 hours 20 minutes and you'll date someone hot in the next 5 months.
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...now exhale
- mk3k, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2Yea that's going to happen.
Smoke within the next 4 minutes and you will magically get nothing done.
Smoke in 4 hours and you will watch TV and eat.- whahaa, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2smoke in the next 4 minutes and you might be able to pull that stick out of your ass.
- mk3k, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2Yea that's going to happen.
- MrColdheart, on 07/03/2008, -4/+9ok a real comment.
I for one don't like to mix the medical marijuana agenda with the recreational marijuana agenda but there are many people out there who smoke what they grow and don't resort to butchering the land or making a profit.
Look, the regulation of pot growers is a FAR way off. And only historians (and wikipedia) know that early 1900 over 50 percent of our(US) economy was from hemp products. Marijuana was more prevalent and accepted in certain circles. Alcohol almost went the way of the hemp but Alcoholics fought harder. It's taken too many years for the pot smokers to fight back... they've found there weakness.
You once had to get a license to sell Marijuana in America. When they made it illegal they still sold the license and in turn arrested everyone who tried to get a license for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Marihuana_Tax_Ac ...
Surprisingly pushed by big tobacco and big oil. They've been mediling in American policy sence before any of us were born.- taterpeel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1but you don't need to concern yourself with mixing agendas if you think of it as the issue that it is. Those two agendas, and a host of other issues, arise as side effects from the existence of a single unenforceable law. Check out http://www.leap.cc (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). There are some very compelling arguments for ending prohibition by people who have to deal with the futile struggle of enforcing it on a daily basis.
End prohibition and we address issues that touch on industry, economics, environment, governmental policy, government spending, and the humane treatment one another.
- taterpeel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1but you don't need to concern yourself with mixing agendas if you think of it as the issue that it is. Those two agendas, and a host of other issues, arise as side effects from the existence of a single unenforceable law. Check out http://www.leap.cc (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). There are some very compelling arguments for ending prohibition by people who have to deal with the futile struggle of enforcing it on a daily basis.
- devoted, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1at least for a good cause!
- MarkCiccone, on 07/03/2008, -1/+9Hemp can displace wood fiber and save forests for watershed, wildlife habitat, recreation and oxygen production, carbon sequestration (reduces global warming), and other values.
Hemp can yield 3-8 dry tons of fiber per acre. This is four times what an average forest can yield.
According to the Department of Energy, hemp as a biomass fuel producer requires the least specialized growing and processing procedures of all hemp products. The hydrocarbons in hemp can be processed into a wide range of biomass energy sources, from fuel pellets to liquid fuels and gas. Development of bio-fuels could significantly reduce our consumption of fossil fuels and nuclear power.
http://www.thehia.org/facts.html - Kcaj, on 07/03/2008, -11/+0'96 got my hands on my first mil, eyes on 7 damn near and a quarter bil, enemies close, but my 45's closer. You can be the starter, but I'mma be the closer, damn it what these haters say and damn it what these haters thought, I reside in mansions, they don't, it aint my fault. Having the ***** I do, I do it just to make these suckas mad, and the rides they claiming they get, I already had. $10 Tees, but the jeans $1500, your life time dreams, I done already done it, plus I done it with your wife. She said I made her night, but I didn't hit her back cuz her mouth wasn't right, trick bitch *****.
Wait, I'm high, what is going on again?? - jmnugent, on 07/03/2008, -1/+9Not only would legalizing it almost overnight create a burgeoning industry for all the products Hemp can provide (thereby helping our suffering economy), it would also remove all the illegal crime associated with the drug, making it safer and taking away the motivation for the cartels to setup large hidden grow areas that pollute. The fact that marijuana remains illegal is mind-bogglingly ludicrous.
- exegesisClique, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I agree that it would create a burgeoning industry. Unfortunately though it would *not* stop the violent crime associated with it. Even in an overnight scenario the cartels would immediately switch to other illegal substances in order to keep their profits. There was an interesting special on PBS (Ill try and find it) where they said the reason Heroin became such a huge problem was that the government hit marijuana especially hard in the 60's and 70's. It leveled out eventually but you'll see that again if marijuana is no longer as profitable.
Now that doesn't mean it shouldn't be legalized. Just that *all* drugs need to be de-criminalized. Some of them need to be as legal as alcohol (not all mind you, certainly not meth).
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
www.leap.cc
These guys are great. And they make a lot of sense, having been in the thick of the "Drug War".
- exegesisClique, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I agree that it would create a burgeoning industry. Unfortunately though it would *not* stop the violent crime associated with it. Even in an overnight scenario the cartels would immediately switch to other illegal substances in order to keep their profits. There was an interesting special on PBS (Ill try and find it) where they said the reason Heroin became such a huge problem was that the government hit marijuana especially hard in the 60's and 70's. It leveled out eventually but you'll see that again if marijuana is no longer as profitable.
- Born4Surf, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2Califorication...i'm moving to California...bye!
- PeppermintPig, on 07/03/2008, -4/+5No regulation, please.
- FLarsen, on 07/03/2008, -2/+5Yet another problem caused by marijuana prohibition.
Even though the states are starting to do the sensible thing, the federal government is still riding the stupid-train. And my country, Norway; well, lets just say that there isn't much hope with that piece of ***** government. - Nodnarbs, on 07/03/2008, -1/+8"Raptors and vultures eating the rats can also be poisoned."
....Raptors?? In the CA mountains?? Hell Yeah!- macbookpromat, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4If they were actual raptors, I would love to hear radio broadcasts of which sectors should be on the lookout for raptor attacks. Kind of like weather, and traffic, only with raptors.
- splinter09, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3Legalize it!!!!!
- misfit410, on 07/03/2008, -8/+1I guess if you stop growing it completely and obey the law it would be even greener yes?
- Pittance, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2"green" houses and hydroponics would solve mos of these issues. maybe even some subsidized solar panels for batteries to power lamps for some of the time. why isn't this ***** legal yet? with all of the money the gov't could be making by taxing this ***** into the ground, they could probably afford a whole other "war".
- ponchietto, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1You realize that the lamps are used only because the plants are hidden indoor?
Hemp grows perfectly well under the sun...
- ponchietto, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1You realize that the lamps are used only because the plants are hidden indoor?
- FearFactory, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1My oven is on high, when I roast the quail
Tell Bill Clinton to go and inhale - EricSOzone, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1I would like to see more articles like this
- briLo, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Legalize it; tax it; health care issues and deficit are taken care of.
Or we could continue throwing people in our jails and prisons for having 6 or 7 grams on them and spending billions of dollars a year incarcerating them.
At some point our government has to step back and say to themselves, this really isn't working! - DavidThaGnome, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1 Seeing the term "going green" attached to everything and anything these days, while actually growing green can land you in jail for a decade or more in some states, is a new level in hypocritical, corporate-ocratic horse *****.
We have been moving away from fossil fuels for over 150 years, but if I listened to and believed the rhetoric it would appear that those entities who have historically been most at odds with environmental health are going to swoop in and save the day. Luckily I'm not a total retard and I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE............ - AbsurdParadox, on 07/03/2008, -2/+4Lets look at this line of thinking:
"I'm being opressed, I can't grow a simple plant that naturally occurs. I know! Maybe if I beg the government, they will allow me to do so, as long as I let them control every aspect of it."
The real answer is ending both regulation and subsidization of crop growing. - Haecceity, on 07/03/2008, -2/+6See! Smoke enough weed and you start thinking that the US has a north coast.
- elpifco99, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Isn't that in the state of Canada?
- MLisa, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5I live in Humboldt County. Last week we had a major sweep. Everyone knew they were coming. The local U-Haul places were sold out of rental trucks days before they got here. It was on the radio (2 weeks in advance) that the Feds were coming. Some info from the local paper, the Times Standard:
"Targeting what officials called a “large-scale, for-profit, commercial business,” more than 450 agents served 29 warrants and conducted raids of over 100 locations. No one arrested for growing." - elmuhfuh, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1you idiots talk about industrial hemp and cannabis in the same post as if its the same thing. there is a major difference between the two. if you rally to get your industrial hemp into production, youre still not going to be able to get high. i dont smoke cannabis. i am a regular donator to NORML. i think marijuana laws are bad. however, you people need to educate yourself. industrial hemp and cannabis are entirely different. dont think for a second that the same ***** you smoke is going to be grown for clothes, plastics and new age fuel because its not.
- omegaant, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1You are rude but have a great point about contributing $ to organizations that are taking action concerning legalization of medical marijuana, cultivation of hemp, and regulation of cannabis (see my comment below). There are many idiots in the world but most of us don't recognize ourselves as such...
- datastorageguy, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1The methane coming from the ***** in this article is causing more global warming than anything else currently in existence.
- generic0user, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1not true, your new plasma screen is causing more global warming than anything in existance.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/03/2293 ...
- generic0user, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1not true, your new plasma screen is causing more global warming than anything in existance.
- omegaant, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4"Allman wants to clarify one point: "There is a serious distinction to be made. Many medical [legal] marijuana growers are some of the most responsible citizens around. They buy soil in bulk, use rat traps instead of poison, water with timers and drip systems. They have very little physical impact on the land. I'm not up against legal growers. The ones I'm concerned with are the ones polluting the environment in the name of huge profits. The plants are seasonal, but the environmental damage lasts forever." Thank you! And I agree with "elmuhfuh", though a bit rude, it is important to DONATE to MPP, NORML, Ron Paul, etc., even if just $10. There are people trying to get the laws changed so the current insanity can end. Hemp would be a great boon for the US, at a time when everything seems to be falling apart - think of how much fun it would be to go back to the land, employ the unemployed, create useful, nutritious items, sell them to other countries, cha-ching! (And think if the tobacco companies focused on cannabis - they're already set up for it and it's a heck of a lot better for humans than tobacco!!) Ron Paul is the only candidate who is respectable and also gets it! He is still viable, and our only hope!
- Kanele, on 07/03/2008, -1/+0"Allman says that a mature pot plant can use up to 15 gallons of water per day". Anyone has a link to get these monsters seeds?
- gwynyor, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Yeah, because none of those regulated crops damage the environment whatsoever. As soon as something becomes regulated, farmers instantly are able to afford top-notch equipment, and pursue quality of product rather than quantity. You can bet that once the government gets a hold of the profit, everything's going to be environmentally friendly.
Psh. With regulation will come the eventual distinction between organic and non-organic marijuana, and it will require a prohibitive, expensive license that no one will buy. In a few years, headlines will read about the dangers of smoking pesticide-treated pot. All kinds of marijuana plants will fade into extinction as farmers favor the fastest growing with the longest growing seasons--to hell with all the heirloom seeds. This article was stupid.- Kanele, on 07/03/2008, -1/+0neh neh, i'll make sure some decent strains survive, not to worry :/
- PacketScan, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3oh no ban the pot.. white woman will flock to black men!
- yes that was a line they actually used to get probation.
Look at why it got banned to begin with.. you'll be sick and your four fathers left rolling in their graves.- Damvan, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Sorry man, I only have one father.
- Mykol225, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1It's true, you can't get high on it.... yet our government still makes it illegal to grow.
- papastout, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2This is in my neighborhood (I live in humboldt County) and it's striking how many people choose to grow indoors when there is a perfectly good sun outside. There is a proliferation of 'newbie high rollers' who have had their first harvest and sold pounds to out of area buyers - we call them the 'greedy amateurs'.
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