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newsweek.com — The problem of population.The world will experience a growing risk of conflicts over food, energy and water in coming years. The population rises each year by about 80 million people, with most of the increase in impoverished regions already facing environmental stress.
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- Thrilltone, on 07/05/2008, -13/+46People in many places are breeding themselves into overpopulated chaos, yet the Pope still demands that they do not use condoms or various other methods of birth control.
Sinead O'Conner was right on. The Pope is the real enemy.- damian7, on 07/06/2008, -13/+1Oh Jesus Christ, I'm not a Christian or a Pope-lover, but did really need to bring the Sith Lord into this?
- Nottellin, on 07/06/2008, -11/+3Population isn't the problem; people not sharing is.
- RayTracer85, on 07/06/2008, -2/+14That's not true,people outgrowing the carrying capacity of the earth is a very real problem.The beauty of the system is that it's a self correcting one.Wars,famine and disease are ways that the system corrects itself.
- LeeSoong, on 07/06/2008, -11/+15Bull. Industrialized nations are dying - not enough breeders.
European peoples are in steep decline.
Spanish, French, English, German, Dutch, etc -
are all looking at dropping populations.
Japan has the worst problem with vanishing population -
ultra low birth rates put the entire people of Japan on the endangered species list.
Can you imagine what will happen to the tech industry with no Japan (!?!)
Stop working 100 hours a week and go home and make the wifey pregnant.
And the USA has the same problem - only the constant in flood of Mexicans has fill the gap - think of all the jobs they do - there are not enough USA babies being born to do that work, good thing someone is still having large families. Rednecks complain about 'all the illegals' - well go and make many, many more kids.
So, If you are in the E.U. or Japan - go forth, get a spouse, and start multiplying. Have at least 4 kids - two 'replacements' and two to grow on.
4 good, 8 better.
Your country, your nation, your race - all dying out.
Make more babies!
Don't buy into the U.N. population elimination pogrom.
Leave that for the countries waiting for food rations.
The most developed civilizations very well might vanish from the Earth - not for lack of technology, because people were not having enough sex.- Chaoticfist, on 07/06/2008, -5/+7It is true. Looking at the populations not only in Europe but here in Canada. If it was not for the 200,000 people that come into Canada every here our population would have crashed in the 80s. The governments need to encourage people to have at least 2-3 kids. Immigration is not the answer.
- FMWatkins, on 07/06/2008, -7/+2You are correct. Birth rates fall as nations become industrialised. The Banking Cartel's obsession with keeping the Third World poor (competition) is partly responsible.
http://freebritain.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/britai ...
Feminism also had a big part to play in reducing Western birthrates.
http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/feminism- ... - scubajim, on 07/06/2008, -5/+7So what. The answer isn't to keep over populating the earth.
- Thrilltone, on 07/06/2008, -2/+6People are less enthusiastic about having children, when they are the ones who will be supporting them.
- solid12345, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Ah the politically-incorrect but truthful answer. You just can't argue with statistics, if America and Europe continues at the rate we are at, in 100 years Europeans will become minorities in their own country and America will become a hispanic nation. One can argue it "diversifies" our population but what good is diversity if the majority of immigrants are un-educated laborers?
3rd world nations need to be working to strengthen their own economies and educate their own people instead of trying to pawn off their undesirables to western nations.
- iamafurry, on 07/06/2008, -1/+3That is so true!
- RevMark, on 07/06/2008, -10/+5What in the hell does the Pope have to do with anything. Anti-Catholic bigot. And second Sinead's comments had NOTHING to do with overpopulation!
- pianomahnn, on 07/06/2008, -1/+9The Pope sets the standard for a lot of people to follow throughout the world. Please, tell me you understand the connection between birth control and pregnancy.
- Thrilltone, on 07/06/2008, -3/+2Anyone who has remained a Catholic after seeing how the church shuffles baby-raping priests around, is a person who condones child abuse.
- twomeyw23334, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2That's *****. It's like saying anyone who remains an American while ....fill in your favorite bad American activity...... condones war crimes or whatever. Instead of running away, some people like to stay and attempt to fix it or make it better.
- Thrilltone, on 07/06/2008, -2/+1Many Americans despise our leadership but it's the only country we have.
It's very easy to stop being a Catholic.
You're stupid.
- twomeyw23334, on 07/06/2008, -1/+4Tell me about it, who knows how many girls I impregnated because I didn't want to offend the Pope. Of course, he also says no sex before marriage but I'm not that hard core about religion.
- Hilda21, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1While the ban on condom use does add millions of worthless sad lives to the Third World, it obviously doesn't explain the continuing expansion in China and the exploding Indian birth rate.
- abrasion, on 07/06/2008, -2/+1I dislike religion as much as the majority of people in the x / y generations - I think most of us are too smart for it.
That being said, cmon man this is not something you can blame 'the pope' for or religion, this is mankinds stupidity in general, there's a whole whole lot of idiot atheists doing just the same thing, it's an issue no one wants to consider.
We're on a rock with finite resources, sooner or later there HAS to be a problem the way we're going, it's simple god damned logic but do you think most people give a damn? ...
(no, I'm not religious)- LeeSoong, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1we have virtually unlimited solar power, and unlimited space - in Space.
Humans can populate the whole Milky Way galaxy if they want to invest the time and resources into building ships and then shipping colonists out to other worlds, work on teraforming other planets, etc. ...
To Infinity, and Beyond!
- LeeSoong, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1we have virtually unlimited solar power, and unlimited space - in Space.
- Awspire, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4@Thrilltone, you must be the most naive person on Digg, or the Net.
The most populated Countries of the World don't practice Catholicism, so why do you ignorantly blame the Pope?
China has the Worlds largest population, yet they consider themselves atheist. They are not influenced, at all, by the Pope.
India has the second largest Worlds population, and they all practice Hindi and Islam, with maybe 2% of the population practicing Christianity.
Brazil has the World's largest practicing Catholics, yet their birth rate has significantly plunged within the past twenty years.
Next time you post, do some research, instead of trying to sound like some trend-whore ass. Whats more pathetic, is how you were even dugg up.
- stacekir, on 07/06/2008, -10/+12Not surprising . . . if you compare the demeanor exhibited by the American north easterners vs. those residing in the west and southwest, the contrast is startling. The crowded northeast corridor is overflowing with short tempered and impolite people. Conversely, in the west and southwest, you will encounter a warmer more hospitable atmosphere. I have always thought it was lack of space that contributed to the cold attitudes so abundant in the northeast. There people want to "protect what's theirs" and are less accepting of newcomers.
Before attacking . . . I am generalizing, ok!!! Not all from the northeast are all that bad. Just most of them.- shawnanigans, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5I always thought the biggest contributor to that was a false belief that it is true. People in the Northeast aren't short-tempered and impolite and people in the rest of the country aren't more welcoming.
- CountBrass, on 07/06/2008, -3/+3No. You're wrong.
The problem is that these people's who over-reproduce (typically it's the Indians, Pakis, and Mohameddans but also Black Africans) are shielded from the costs of their over-production by the charity of the west. Whether it's immigrants leaching off our social systems on the pouring of tax payers money (I don't recall ever being asked if I wanted it spent on foreigners!) being used to fund digging wells etc in places that people shouldn't try and live.
- ninesky01, on 07/06/2008, -8/+3" The poorest of the poor tend to be found in remote, environmentally stressed regions, such as the drylands of Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia... "
yeah, maybe it's because we force them to be there with horrible wages, poor export policies, and harsh immigration laws the world over. or how about we feed them guns and lots of ammunition to keep them at war so we can label them "violent"...
we may as well drop their "children from airplanes with no parachutes". hey, that would be a hit on youtube! or channel 666 on tv!
ow!!! my balls!- dcshiderly, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2Yeah, it has nothing to do with the local culture refusing to be pushed around and willing to die for what they believe in. It has nothing to do with military dictators forcing people to vote for them. It has nothing to do with our existing aid and support being appropriated by said dictators and kept from helping those that need it most.
If the governments in those parts of the world did anything at all to encourage business, like fixing the roads, improving the infrastructure, and enforcing the law, businesses would move there and set up shop. The places you mention would be ideal, the overall standard of living is low, but there are large numbers of people and that adds up to significant demand for goods and services. Not the class of goods and services seen in first-world nations, but enough to make a good sum of money, and if it's reinvested, entire regions would be brought up the chain very quickly, in as little as a decade.
But when there's no guarantee of infrstructure, the roads are impassable, and the local law enforcement will provide not even the semblance of order, why should a business set up shop only to be robbed blind next week? Why would foreign money move in only to be shiv'd in a dark alley and be relieved of it's valuables?
- dcshiderly, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2Yeah, it has nothing to do with the local culture refusing to be pushed around and willing to die for what they believe in. It has nothing to do with military dictators forcing people to vote for them. It has nothing to do with our existing aid and support being appropriated by said dictators and kept from helping those that need it most.
- LeeSoong, on 07/06/2008, -7/+6BREAKING NEWS:
Wet Water is Wet !- shawnanigans, on 07/06/2008, -0/+7And scarce.
- LeeSoong, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2It's time for Luke to fix the condensers on the Moisture farm,
now where did that boy get to ?
- LeeSoong, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2It's time for Luke to fix the condensers on the Moisture farm,
- shawnanigans, on 07/06/2008, -0/+7And scarce.
- patch6, on 07/06/2008, -1/+17Atmospheric water generator that even works in the desert:
http://ecoloblue.com/ecoloblue.html
Produces upwards of 28 liters of water a day from thin air.- benologist, on 07/06/2008, -0/+7Imagine what it could squeeze from fat air!
- desertDenizen, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5But I was going to Tashi Station to pick up some power converters.
- novenator, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1I would like to see large scale versions of this in production
- Areiadebondi, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1"It can produce up to 7 gallons or 28 liters per day in a 24-hour period."
- bblande, on 07/06/2008, -7/+3Yeah, but the regions in which overpopulation is a problem are hardly Catholic.
- twodimman, on 07/06/2008, -8/+2No newsweek, no no and no again. Violent confilts in africa/middle est/central china caused by lack of water? are you joking? Al least have the honesty to realize that WE, western world, are the main reason or their poverty.
- bogdon6, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2How about a reference?
- yardie, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1How about the number 1,2,and 3 arms makers are US, Russia, and the UK. And we aren't manufacturing them to use it on ourselves so guess who's buying?
- Midtowner, on 07/06/2008, -0/+5The United States recovered from colonialism quite well. Why not the African nations as well? I know that some of them actually boast decent educational systems. I don't know what I could point to as a 'sole factor' in their poverty, but perhaps their own corrupt governments would be a place to begin?
- yardie, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1The United States recovered 200 years ago. Most African nations didn't get their independence until 40 years ago (and some much later than that). After which the continent became a playground for the KGB, CIA, and Western European where assassination and coups were common.
Example: Lumumba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba
This post-colonialism ***** played out throughout the world well into the 80s. - scubajim, on 07/06/2008, -0/+3Most African nations got their freedom and then preceded to become dictatorships or governments which aren't technically dictatorships but the power is controlled by a few. They set up rules and regulations to keep those few in power. The US furthered it by giving aid to the official government aid channels (which are corrupt and used the aid to keep control). The US is loath to criticize African leaders because they are black and it would appear racist. We need to get over that. (The African governments are doing this because they can get away with it; not because they are black.)
- yardie, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1The United States recovered 200 years ago. Most African nations didn't get their independence until 40 years ago (and some much later than that). After which the continent became a playground for the KGB, CIA, and Western European where assassination and coups were common.
- sethorama99, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2This is true. Sometimes I travel to Africa just to steal their money.
- bogdon6, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2How about a reference?
- Azerael, on 07/06/2008, -2/+10This article brought to you by Captain Obvious.
- Gimjee, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2I lold
- tim620, on 07/06/2008, -0/+3Interestingly, I've been saying these same things for years and people think I'm crazy. Its evidently not obvious to everybody.
- BrownManUPS, on 07/06/2008, -5/+1For more, see "The Happening" in theaters.
- RevMark, on 07/06/2008, -14/+23I hate to break it to you but, the entire worlds population can fit inside of the county of Jacksonville Florida (if given one square meter each. There are millions of acres in the US uninhabited. There are millions of acres in Russia, uninhabited. There are millions of acres in China, Africa, and South America that are uninhabited. Land shortage is a myth. As is water shortages. The Earth is covered in water. But billionaire Islamists or totalitarian dictatorships will not build the desalinization plants that are needed to water their country. Its all about Power and Control!
- Midorikatana, on 07/06/2008, -5/+3Well said.
- kults, on 07/06/2008, -4/+11And people can get all they need whole year from 1 square meter too? No droughts, bugs and diseases. Cool.
And screw the other species, why do we need birds, bears, elephants? They are useless, we can't eat them. Lets kill them all and cut the forests down so we could breed more cattle and boost human population to 10+ billion? That would be f**king great.
Milkman makes the milk and eggs. See a bit further than your own doorstep. - tim620, on 07/06/2008, -1/+4You are right in that the earth is covered with water, but it is not covered with fresh water. Most fresh water supplies in the world (rivers / lakes, etc) are too polluted to drink or use. Fresh water sources are getting more polluted or (if they are fairly clean) overused, every day. Desalinization is very expensive and uses a ton of energy. (it is not like dropping a plant on the shores of Sim City). It is not a very practical solution, unless you can come up with a lot of money (and electricity) and start charging people a lot more on their water bills. It is funny that you mention "billionaire Islamists", because the larges desalinization plants today are in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
- desertDenizen, on 07/06/2008, -1/+3Good thing nobody needs to eat.
- Rodne, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4Land shortage is NOT a myth. I come from Egypt, where 95% of the population lives on 5% of the land, NEAR water from the Nile River... There is hospitable agriculturally friendly land and there is nonarable desert land. More human expansion will mean more degradation of nature. Guess what, the millions of acres in "China, Russia and Africa" aren't exactly the most agriculturally friendly lands out there. You need to chop down trees to use these lands as living space. It's not as simple as "build lots of desalination plants," human growth not a videogame like the way you convey the situation.
- Midorikatana, on 07/06/2008, -5/+3Well said.
- lazerus9, on 07/06/2008, -6/+4Could those of you overly concerned with overpopulation please report to the nearest Soylent Green processing plant!
- Tiltmenot, on 07/06/2008, -2/+10Well if YOU want to maintain your current lifestyle, measures need to be taken against overpopulation. Otherwise you will be entitled to less space and resources in this world.
- sodade, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5Less space, resources and freedoms. That freedoms part is really important.
- EarlOfLade, on 07/06/2008, -3/+3Not to Americans, it is not, unless it's the freedom to have a killing machine called a gun, then it is important. For all other purposes, Americans hate freedom.
That is why you have two types of death penalty, one where the state kills you, the other, they place you in a box and you have to die by yourself, the last one can take decades.
But freedom? No, freedom is something most Americans hate and don't understand. - curtisag, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2I disagree, Americans care deeply about their freedoms, they just don't care about "other" people's freedoms. Particularly people with dark skin and/or worship Allah.
- EarlOfLade, on 07/06/2008, -3/+3Not to Americans, it is not, unless it's the freedom to have a killing machine called a gun, then it is important. For all other purposes, Americans hate freedom.
- Hilda21, on 07/06/2008, -2/+4Whites have had a below replacement birth rate for a few decades now. We look set to go extinct. Then the non-whites won't get any more food aid and they will decline as well. Humans are so stupid.
- xGORDOx, on 07/06/2008, -1/+3Wake me when the war for water starts on the planet that is 2/3 water.
- dcshiderly, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1Or, if these destitute nations actually provided an environment conducive to the growth of business, they would place a real demand on existing resources, spurring innovation and new technology. With sufficient levels of force-multiplication via energy production, manufacturing, and transport, everyone on this earth could have a U.S.-class lifestyle.
- sodade, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5Less space, resources and freedoms. That freedoms part is really important.
- Polarize, on 07/06/2008, -7/+11This will come across as callous (although I argue it is also realistic), but I wish the mass of idiots in the world, the billions of them, would just quickly perish. I for one couldn't care less about impoverished, disease stricken continents (see: Africa) or countries. Let them rape and kill each other and just be done with it. You can't breed intelligence in innate stupidity. Let's turn our attention and resources to areas that are profitable for the intelligent, civilized thoroughfare of mankind, however small it may be. The suppressed and impoverished of the world have had their chance (in many cases, the poorest of the world have been around the longest, and have utterly failed to develop). I know this thinking is in the vast minority, but how long will people pump money and aid into impoverished nations before they realize the dwellers just don't have the intellectual capacity for an evolved society? Be done with them already. Save the food, water, and space for those that can utilize it properly.
- HyperVirt, on 07/06/2008, -1/+9Dugg up for being an incredibly realistic view (although not a very politically correct one). I've always viewed aid programs as being kind of evil. They kill more people than they save. What happens when the people being given food aid get "just enough" to survive? They go and have more babies! Look at the photos of starving people in Africa and look at how many are pregnant (hard to tell if they have distended stomachs)! If you had no job, no future, and absolutely no way to feed yourself or provide for a child, would you have one?
This is why I agree that we should turn away our aid from them, and let them pass. It is the humane thing to do as helping them just keeps the cycle going with more people dying. - yardie, on 07/06/2008, -1/+4I can't cite the source. But there was an scientific genetic study done where they found that most Europeans have ancestry from what (could be considered) middle class of the medieval times. One theory is the serfs were not intelligent enough to live long enough to breed and take care of themselves (average life expectancy was late 20s). Most of the population growth came from the lower nobles, merchants, craftsmen, and the illegitimate childrens of nobles.
- desertDenizen, on 07/06/2008, -3/+4Let me guess... you're a Christian?
Read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs & Steel." If you still think the global distribution of wealth is due to inherited intelligence, then you'll be outed for being as stupid as you are honest and outspoken. Geography is destiny, friend.- Polarize, on 07/06/2008, -3/+5"Let me guess... you're a Christian?"
I'll assume you're referring to me, and I'm most certainly not.
And if you don't think Africa is one of the richest countries in the world natural-resources wise, I'd suggest that you take a quick gander at the news. What are most of the wars in Africa fought over? Natural resources.
But assuming you're correct, and it is devoid of them, any intelligent race would scatter out in search of a better habitat. The Africans stupidly failed to do so, and now they're being driven out of existence. They don't need people to make excuses for their idiotic, violent history of genocide, rape, and AIDS. They're genetically inferior, and it has been demonstrated by leading, Nobel Prize winning geneticists.
Same with most of South America; its indigenous inhabitants have been shown intellectually inferior as a whole compared to, for instance, Europeans or Asians. It isn't politically correct, no, but facts are facts. Innate intelligence is something you either possess or don't, and it determines the fate of a civilization.
Africa would be an uninhabited desert if it weren't for Westerners and their aid. - desertDenizen, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Polarize: Do you even know the first thing about tropical diseases? There's a reason Europeans have been successful almost entirely in temperate climes in the northern and southern hemispheres. When white colonists tried migrating from S. Africa north into the tropics, for instance, they got their asses kicked by malaria, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, leprosy, filariasis, trypanosomiasis, and leishmaniasis. They never did establish a foothold there.
"Any intelligent race would scatter out"? Proof you're a babbling idiot. Where do you think caucasians came from you racist *****? Africa was the source of the first great human diaspora. Beginning in Ethiopia, spreading through sub-saharan Africa, and eventually up into Europe and over to Asia.
I could go on but you've made up your mind that you're better than dark skinned people, so fine by me, go live in your little mind and racist hate-filled world. The world needs solutions to real problems, and frankly, you're a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. - Polarize, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1I'm sure you've got an excuse for why blacks make up 14% of the U.S. population and commit 49% of the crime, too. Here in Australia, the Aborigines can't stay out of trouble either, and are, like U.S. Negroes, notorious for their outlawry behaviour. This is of course while both governments offer to pay their college tuition, which they mostly refuse, choosing their criminal way of life over societal advances.
They are inclined to being genetically intellectually inferior; those are facts. Not all of them are stupid, but a vast majority are simply not intelligent when compared to other races. Look it up.
Europeans were intelligent enough to develop vaccines so they COULD eventually inhabit these various places; blacks were dumb and idle, and so they were enslaved.
Quite frankly, the only 'problem' I have is that they are wasting my tax dollars on that garbage.
What have your Africans contributed to society and civilization? Please enlighten me. - bosssmiley, on 07/07/2008, -0/+2"Guns, Germs and Steel" is hackwork that doesn't follow through on the logical implications of its own arguments. David Landes "Wealth and Poverty of Nations" covers the same ground more thoroughly and with better research.
- Polarize, on 07/06/2008, -3/+5"Let me guess... you're a Christian?"
- curtisag, on 07/06/2008, -3/+2Polarize:
I think you're 100% right, and many more people agree with you but are afraid of the politically correct police. Perhaps we could offer aid with the pre-condition of sterilization? If we don't find a way to stabilize population growth we are doomed. Humans are spreading across the planet like a virus, infecting everything they touch. China has the largest population, but at least they are taking steps to control it with the "1 child rule". The recent rise in world food and energy prices is only the beginning. If we do not find a way to control population growth, nature will find a way (see AIDS). - homer082, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1There is part truth to what you say..Most of the aid is going to recipients that on the first place don't even want to be helped with or to people that don't want to help themselves.
- Rodne, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1I agree that trying to slow down the hopelessness of the third world is a lost cause, but you can't always blame the people. When you are born into a shantytown, starve and live in dirt, you're not exactly stupid, you're plain and simply *****. Doesn't matter if you are intelligent or not, you're environment has already decided your fate.
- brad3378, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4Adolf Hitler had a plan like that too..............Just sayin'
- Polarize, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2I'm not advocating pro actively murdering them; just let natural selection run its course.
There is a huge a difference.
- Polarize, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2I'm not advocating pro actively murdering them; just let natural selection run its course.
- HyperVirt, on 07/06/2008, -1/+9Dugg up for being an incredibly realistic view (although not a very politically correct one). I've always viewed aid programs as being kind of evil. They kill more people than they save. What happens when the people being given food aid get "just enough" to survive? They go and have more babies! Look at the photos of starving people in Africa and look at how many are pregnant (hard to tell if they have distended stomachs)! If you had no job, no future, and absolutely no way to feed yourself or provide for a child, would you have one?
- danielbrandt, on 07/06/2008, -8/+2If the USA kicked all the illegal immigrants out, unemployment would be 0% and homlessness would be 0% because all the homeless could finally get jobs.
- gubatron2, on 07/06/2008, -4/+4If USA kicked all the illegal immigrants out, every service-to-the-public related industry would be hardly hit, starting with all restaurants in NY, where all the cooks (whatever kind the food is) are Mexican or central american. Most illegal immigrants come here to work not to ***** around.
On the other hand most homeless people won't or can't work. I've never in my life seen an illegal immigrant begging for money on the streets, but I've seen plenty of WELL ENGLISH SPOKEN young and healthy men (most of them black). Most homeless people are either junkies, alcoholics, crazy, or just plain lazy.
Have you ever seen those dudes that ask "one penny for the homeless" with those empty big plastic bottles, they all work for an "organization" that takes $15/day from them, whatever else they make throughout the day they're entitled to keep.
Americans have the good jobs, most americans won't take the ***** jobs, the illegal immigration job force is the equivalent of slavery my friend, this country needs it, they could easily get all the immigrants out if they wanted.- Midtowner, on 07/06/2008, -1/+4Not really. For the short period in my state where immigrants thought it was unsafe because of our new laws, nothing bad really happened to to our economy. It sometimes took a week longer for a roof to be put on or some bricks to be layed, but otherwise? No problema.
- curtisag, on 07/06/2008, -0/+3That's not true. The people who won't do the jobs illegals do, would do them if they paid more. If you reduced the supply of cheap labor (remove illegals), it increases the demand for workers. This would increase the pay that people would be willing to offer. The fact is, Illegals hurt poor people the most because they drive down the price of labor and drive up the available supply. They don't have or need any illegal immigrants in Sweden or Norway for example, but their standard of living is among the best in the world. Greedy businesses just want a source of people to exploit. You've bought into the propaganda.
- Midtowner, on 07/06/2008, -1/+4Not really. For the short period in my state where immigrants thought it was unsafe because of our new laws, nothing bad really happened to to our economy. It sometimes took a week longer for a roof to be put on or some bricks to be layed, but otherwise? No problema.
- marx2k, on 07/06/2008, -1/+3So Illegal Immigrants:Homeless == 1:1 across the US? What about the homeless who don't WANT jobs?
- sethorama99, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1I for one look forward to meat-packing factories filled with belligerent homeless employees.
- desertDenizen, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1For ***** sake, what a dumb ass.
I've employed over 200 people in my career so far, and I'd employ almost any immigrant I've met before I employed somebody as clearly brain damaged as you. You understand nothing about our economy OR homelessness. You're ***** hopeless.
- gubatron2, on 07/06/2008, -4/+4If USA kicked all the illegal immigrants out, every service-to-the-public related industry would be hardly hit, starting with all restaurants in NY, where all the cooks (whatever kind the food is) are Mexican or central american. Most illegal immigrants come here to work not to ***** around.
- Fentekreel, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6umm.. isn't the main reason for most ancient wars...
- novenator, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Conan, what is best in life?
- Erythroxylum, on 07/06/2008, -2/+5We'd better increase spending on defense then.
By the way, did anyone else know that the countries with the two largest populations on Earth, China and India, are Catholic? Nor did I. I'll regret killing them; I enjoy their food so.- marx2k, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2I'm pretty sure India is majority Hindu
- Rodne, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Defense spending is already close to 50%, and China and India are not Catholic countries. You must be smoking something REAL bad.
- objectivist, on 07/06/2008, -1/+7We don't have a scarcity problem we have an inefficient design and innovate problem. When you think how we use water just to flush a toilet, it's absurd, to think that nobody can design a toilet system that is biodegradable and doesn't need flushing with water.
- yardie, on 07/06/2008, -0/+0They have a few toilets on in Virginia that use recycled mineral oil instead of water. Poop floats to the top, piss to the bottom, and the oil stays in the middle. BTW, it really stunk (I guess they couldn't figure a way to get the ammonia out the oil).
- scubajim, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1They exist today. You do your business and then throw in some wood shavings. Once a week or so you turn over the pile. That part could be automated with a motor. It produces fetalizer. Of course, there are some things you can't put in it and have to be disposed of separately.
- EarlOfLade, on 07/06/2008, -1/+3Many such systems exists and are quite efficient and has been on the market for decades.
- tomz17, on 07/06/2008, -0/+1Have you ever used a waterless toilet? We had them installed in a new eco-friendly building that went up on campus. Those things are beyond nasty!
When I gotta go, I go to the adjacent building, and make sure to flush twice.
- gubatron2, on 07/06/2008, -1/+9I wonder if one day we'll start eating people, China has lots of them.
- novenator, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Soilant Green, a new product brought to you by WalMart, the number 1 exporter of american manufacturing and importing of goods from China
- RRJackson, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Soylent. Supposed to be a combination of soy beans and lentil. They found an excellent protein filler, though, that kinda stretched their limited supplies of soy and lentil. ;-)
- RRJackson, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6Yeah, but you eat a Chinaman and an hour later you're hungry again...
- novenator, on 07/06/2008, -0/+2Soilant Green, a new product brought to you by WalMart, the number 1 exporter of american manufacturing and importing of goods from China
- kylere, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2D'uh
- sethorama99, on 07/06/2008, -1/+7I'll have no problems since I have the last of the V-8 Interceptors.
- desertDenizen, on 07/06/2008, -0/+6A piece of history... Woulda been a shame to blow it up.
- captric, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4That is when America invades an annexes Canada and turns Canadians into American slaves to drill our oil and refine our uranium. Oh WAIT --- we have already done that without firing a shot!!
- bosssmiley, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1So all along the "Screw this, I'm moving to Canada" crowd were secretly the US' 5th column. It all falls into place now...
- RRJackson, on 07/06/2008, -7/+2We Americans RULE at violent conflict. We've got a lot of pansy liberals who whine about it incessantly, but with just a few minor tweaks our legal system could deal with them. Let's get to work. Lotta land to clear. I figure there are about 2 billion people out there right now that nobody will miss much...
- janielou, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2There is plenty of land, the problem is 1% of the worlds population ownen most of it.
- CountBrass, on 07/06/2008, -2/+5Yes. It's called survival of the fittest. And on that basis a lot of non-white races don't deserve to survive. The US had the right idea when they took over North America: you don't piss about handing out charity to the weak natives, you kill the ***** now and avoid problems in the future.
- iambiguous, on 07/06/2008, -2/+2"witnessing this death
we reach out to comfort each other
the life that is born of me is part of my solution
to stabilize.
you talk about economics and food at our table
i see him desperate to reach some type of heaven
only i can give
so we heal each other"
they can have the plan, but we have the will. will is divine. plans are easily broken. who will win?
blood against money. let the games begin. - CountBrass, on 07/06/2008, -7/+2Time to kick the non-whites: the *****, the pakis, the chinks and the indians out of europe and tell them ***** off back to where they came from.
At that counts double for arabs and mohammedans. - jdago, on 07/06/2008, -1/+2its greed that has caused most of this problem. it sure would be nice if man just helped man. but i guess i am just a dreamer. but some day we will have no choice or we will all be extinct
- 16sinker, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4 You people that lack simple human compassion are ***** nuts!!!
- Barackalypse, on 07/06/2008, -2/+2I empathize, I just don't care. So long as people continue to have kids they can't feed, there will always be problems like this. I hear a lot about crimes against humanity lately, but surely this is the greatest one that ever occurred, and its perpetrated by exactly the people who are supposed to be looking out for the children.
- lisaawesome, on 07/06/2008, -2/+2I am conflicted about these kinda of issues. On one hand I am compassionate and want to help those who are suffering but on the other hand I think it is deplorable that people who cannot take care of themselves continue to breed. I saw a comment earlier up with a solution that theoretically sounds good but I can't imagine it ever being used because of all the ethical dilemmas people will have. We should help these horribly impoverished folks out but require sterilization if they accept the help. We should do this to the welfare queens in America too. Help in exchange for the guarantee that you won't produce more people who will most likely need their own help.
- londubh, on 07/06/2008, -3/+3Psst.. don't tell the global warming deniers we are running out of potable water (which by the way has nothing to do with global warming just overpumping groundwater), once they die of thirst we can then do something about global warming before it's too late. Oh, and be sure your water supplies are well protected as most global warming deniers are gun owners.
- londubh, on 07/06/2008, -0/+4Really good article on rainwater/graywater harvesting Abundant Skies: 8 Principles for Successful Rainwater Harvesting http://local.theoildrum.com/node/4185 Check it out.
- SilverBlade2k, on 07/06/2008, -0/+3Oh crap, Canada has the largest supply of fresh water in the world...
- Barackalypse, on 07/06/2008, -2/+1Don't worry, most of it is directly connected to our largest supply of freshwater and we've got more tanks, planes, and bullets than they do.
- Barackalypse, on 07/06/2008, -1/+5That's going to suck for all the poor people in those hot sandy places. Maybe they should stop having kids and let the population recede back to something that can be sustained with a quality of life that's better than "squalid".
- siwasher, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1Stewart Brand writes:
"....in the 1990s, the U.N. started taking a closer look at fertility patterns, and in 2002, it adopted a new theory that shocked many demographers: human population is leveling off rapidly, even precipitously, in developed countries, with the rest of the world soon to follow. Most environmentalists still haven't got the word. Worldwide, birthrates are in free fall."
Brand says that the move to cities is what's behind this. See his article in Technology Review, May 2005. - brad3378, on 07/06/2008, -2/+1What I find most ironic about this story is how places with lots of fresh water like Michigan are losing residents in droves while places like Arizona, Texas, and Nevada are booming.
At this point in time, I'm not too concerned.
Things will eventually balance out. - beauley, on 07/06/2008, -2/+1We need visionaries in this world. Farouk el Bas, having been finely honed by time, is one of those individuals. His goal, his paths and his well sculptured preordained destiny are seemingly set in stone and the harvest and benefits from his efforts are immeasurable.
http://www.newsflavor.com/World/Africa/A-Man-with- ...
A Man with a Humanitarian Destiny - beauley, on 07/06/2008, -1/+1Water, the experts say, covers about 2/3 of the Earth's surface. Drinking water, of course, occupies far less than that and a good portion of this is divided between town supplied and bottled drinking water. The rest is mostly used in irrigation through aquifers or precipitation.
http://www.gomestic.com/Consumer-Information/Is-Bo ...
Is Bottled Water the Price of Gold - 16sinker, on 07/07/2008, -1/+1 Check this out. www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/06/10159/www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/06/10159/
- Sushubh, on 07/07/2008, -0/+1Shekhar Kapur is making a film on this issue. Paani.
http://www.shekharkapur.com/blog/archives/my_films ...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001408/ - timbuktu22, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0We need to curb our population growth. The best way to do this is through increased education, particularly for women. Studies show that as the level of education in a society increases, the birth rates decline. And by far the most effective way of reducing a population's size is to increase the average age people have children by several years, a shift that is often a result of the population staying in school longer. More on education's effect on population:
http://www.brightfuture.us/new/index.php?option=co ...
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