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Gamespot rates Tony Hawk Project 8 better on than 360 than the ps3.

gamespot.com — "Those frame-rate problems hit the PlayStation 3 version of the game significantly harder than the Xbox 360." "the games look roughly the same. But there are other, more significant differences between the two versions. The Xbox 360 version has online support for up to eight players"

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chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -65/+14Will digg, but it also points out that the PS3 has sharper graphics. Framerates can be worked out with a quick update if they decide to work on it.
- isayx3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35Only slightly sharper due to HDMI.
- truspector, on 10/12/2007, -14/+55FTA: "The PlayStation 3 version of the game distinguishes itself by offering complete support for the Sixaxis controller's motion-sensing abilities. You can set it to just control functions like balancing, if you like, or you can move and execute tricks with it, as well. It works, but it lacks the precision offered by the D pad, so it's a neat experiment that's pretty good at showing off what the Sixaxis is capable of, but you probably wouldn't want to play through the game this way."
  
  If this doesn't sound like next gen I don't know what does.
  
  /sarcasm
- ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Obviously expected with lack of online play.
- exobyte, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21Updates are significantly harder to do on console games than PC games; don't count on a fix.
- chapt0r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Haha - "worked out in a quick update"... yup that is how it works. ;)
- 23r17i05o42n, on 10/12/2007, -21/+21Suck it, Sony.
- eskay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"Updates are significantly harder to do on console games than PC games; don't count on a fix."
  
  That might have been true in 2002; it's not now. It's easier for the user to update on consoles than PCs, and they don't have any compatibility worries, which makes the test teams smaller by an order of magnitude.
- daridave, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30I love the fact that the PS3 has a worse framerate than the Xbox 360 version.
  
  Where's the mighty Cell? The might RSX? Nowhere... and people may finally realise that even though the hardware IS powerful, crappy code will always be just that, crappy...
- DocWhoWho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Framerates can be worked out with a quick update if they decide to work on it."
  
  That's a very committed response you have there.
- se1zure, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1is it me, or was it activisions fault for the online play features?
  
  I havent bought a tony hawk game since the original ps1 version, since they can be beaten in like 2-3 hours and don't offer much more.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9No, it's Sony's fault for not giving them the proper design for their online system. Activision seems to have added a good multiplayer for the 360 because the Live system was already in place.
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"If this doesn't sound like next gen I don't know what does. "
  
  Actually ... it sounds like Motocross Madness on the PC with a sidewinder.
  
  *Note: I did see the sarcasm flag.
Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27"Those frame-rate problems hit the PlayStation 3 version of the game significantly harder than the Xbox 360. Other than the choppy frame rate and slightly sharper graphics on the PlayStation 3, some of which is only noticeable when using an HDMI cable on a high-end HDTV, the games look roughly the same. But there are other, more significant differences between the two versions." -Gamespot

The major difference being ACTUAL ONLINE PLAY. I think the real PS3 killer is going to be the lack of streamlined online support for many of its games. Even if the PS3 does get a half decent online service (if it's anything like the PS2, no thank you) that will compete with Xbox Live, Microsoft can simply reduce the cost of their service. I mean, for less than a dollar a week I think it's worth it...especially since I can find a subscription for cheap on Craigslist or Ebay.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -26/+8Sony's service is definitely stripped down, but it does offer a unified login for all games (confirmed this week after some confusing comments by Ted Price before). I still think Live is loads better, but the truth is that your average consumer only sees $50/yr or free, they are not amongst the few like us that know what a good service actually is.
  
  As for the dollar a week, you can cost-justify anything like that. Why not just say that PS3 is $11.50 a week. I'm sure nyone griping about price can find $11 a week they could cut out, be it lattes, big macs, or not buying things like $2 ringtones.
- Kypt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5No it can't be justified like that. In my opinion (thought i may be the only one) the only way I use your method of justification is if its some sort of subscription. WoW account, Live, hrmm I unno playboyonline? (Don't have many subscriptions) can be broken down to days or weeks if you want because they're monthly/yearly stuff. The examples you put are not subscriptions. Its a one-time deal, the way you say it sounds more like you're offering a creditcard...
  
  If above comment doesn't make sense, sorry i'm highly caffeinated and not sure my fingers and brain are completely in synch when typing.
- Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6A unique login for every game! Making it damn near impossible to find your friends. Sony
truspector, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44"I still think Live is loads better, but the truth is that your average consumer only sees $50/yr or free, they are not amongst the few like us that know what a good service actually is."

Hence, the garbage type people that you run into on Xbox Live will pale in comparison to the idiots that will be on PS3 live. Consider it a $50/year idiot screening. Money well spent IMHO.

Edit: Meant to reply to chris
- Warlon, on 10/12/2007, -38/+7I guess you've never played halo, money doesn't mean idiot proofing. Mommy and daddy will still pay that 12 year olds xbox live subscription and buy them that M rated game that you think you can only play. Your logic is flawed and bias.
- NewChar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32"Your logic is flawed and bias."
  
  Your spelling is horrid and unappealing.
- Diggtatorship, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@warlon
  
  How many 12 year olds' parents wont pay for live? The 12 year old ratio will be much much higher on the Sony network
- DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Add Gamerscore (high Gamerscore means someone with a long term account), Zones (Family and Rec zones have less idiots than the Pro and Underground zones) and Rep (Someone pisses me off, I rank them down and may never get matched with them again) and I haven't played with obnoxious 12 year olds in several months.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2NewChar, your comment read as something I would've selected in Insult Sword Fighting from Monkey Island. :)
MikeCampo, on 10/12/2007, -15/+6Do people spell check anymore?
- baxtermadux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21if you have Firefox 2, you shouldn't have to ( has spellchecker built in)
- zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19It is not an issue of spelling, it is an issue of people actually reading what they have typed.
- MikeCampo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Pretty much the same thing. You should always look over what you type for errors and not rely on a spell checker.
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True, but real writers compose based on what they type--they don't look down at the keyboard, they check their letters as they write them instead, which makes for well-formed prose. I've never been a proofreader, I've always focused on writing it right the first time.
NiGHTSChao, on 10/12/2007, -20/+2I fail to see how this made the front page

Who cares if it got a higher rating on another console? Its still pretty much the same game, and developers can release updates for the games if needed to fix problems
gxcdesign, on 10/12/2007, -25/+3Lol, this is not even a true PS3 port yet.

Anyone see NBA 07? It looks heck of a lot better than NBA Live and full 60fps

and speaking of framerate...just about every 360 game is 30fps

btw...I own a 360 and love CoD 3 / Gears of War
- waterdrop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15They canceled NBA Live 07' so you can't really compare NBA 07' PS3 to NBA Live 07' PS3.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Maybe you missed it, but NBA Live '07 was canceled for the PS3.
  
  edit: Damn you, waterdrop.
- DocWhoWho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Oblivion for PS3 Launch canceled as well.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wait...are you serious? I didn't hear that Oblivion was pushed back for the PS3. You should submit that story to Digg when you find it. With the new content that's going to be included on the PS3 as well as the 360 I have a hard time seeing that title motivating anyone to buy a PS3 for that game as well.
- Responder656, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0http://digg.com/gaming_news/Gamespot_gives_NBA_07_for_the_PS3_a_4_9
zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -29/+4YAY!!!!! This makes the PS3 sound like a let-down, LET'S ALL DO A DIGG RUSH!!!!!!!!

FUD FTW!!!
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Because this is really FUD.
  
  Nothing like a completely unbiased article explaining the pros and cons of a game on two platforms to bring out the Sony-fans who will immediately say "ZOMG, welcome to Digg, the ANTI-PS3 website!"
  
  Project8, as a game, is better on the 360 due to more consistent frame rates and a unified online system including online gaming and achievement scoreboards. PS3 has sixaxis, which, as to be expected for a twitchier game, isn't accurate enough.
Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -18/+13I've played this game on both consoles, and it seems to me that the animation is more fluid on the PS3, not sure if they had to strip some of the mo-cap in the X360 because that takes a LOT of room on the disc.

Also, the x360 version has a lot of glitches - I've gone flying across the park in rag-doll style just from not landing a trick.

I'd like to see someone who has perfected a few moves do the same thing on both consoles.
- sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Wow.....I don't know what to believe now:'(
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Motion capture doesn't take up a lot of room.
  
  Standard motion capture tracks 44 markers. Most animations are less than a second in duration.
  
  Each frame consists of just a translation matrix and a quaternion. That's 7 doubles, or 56 bytes per marker.
  
  That's 144k total for a 1 second animation at 60fps, and most walking, running, skating animations are just a quarter-second long... so you're looking at a paltry 36k for those.
  
  The textures take up much more space than the motion capture (a single texture takes up 256k at 512x).
- dcoxen, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1How can you have waited for over a year before purchasing a Xbox 360 when the 360 has not been available for a year?
DanteDefiance, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35I'm a very careful buyer. I weigh the pros and cons, read all the reviews, and test play the ***** out of a system before I put my money down. I mean $400+ dollars is a lot of money to spend on a gaming system.

I waited over a year before purchasing my 360. All the bugs were pretty much fixed and I have a handful of excellent games to play. All in all I'm extremely happy with my purchase.

As for the PS3, if I purchase that thing before the year 2012 I'll be surprised. It's going to take MGS4, FFXIII, DMC 4 and at least a $200 price drop to get my attention.

Honestly the PS3 offers me nothing my 360 can't handle.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24You're the first rational, objective, and sensible person I think I've met on Digg. What the hell are you doing on this website??
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Exactly why I just bought my 360 this past Sunday. It's clear that Sony has some plusses and cons, but the 360 is just a better platform.
  
  I don't understand why Sony didn't directly compete with Live. It boggles my mind why they couldn't put together a universal achievement scoreboard and matchmaking service. Live is arguably one of the best parts of the xbox universe, and they're not even attempting to compete with it.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3How can you tell that the 360 is "just plain a better system" when you've never played a game on it nor even seen video of half of the launch titles?
ezweave, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Dugg... just for the screenshot of Jason Lee. Who remembers Stereo skateboards and his signature shoe? Then he did Mallrats and that was all over :(

The game looks good, either way.
- andocom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stereo was late in his career, I remember the first SMA World ads and his cat in the hat deck, good times, good times.
ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Frame rate problems in a skateboard game????

That just screams ***** programming.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I fail to see how the fact it's a skateboarding game has any measure on the framerate. They're rendering an entire city here.
  
  Sure, it could've used optimizations to prevent this, but the fact its a skateboarding game doesn't mean it can't have great graphics.
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think he might have been referring to the fact that skateboarding goes much slower around a city than a racing game or GTA-type sandbox game might, meaning fewer textures should theoretically be getting loaded at once, or that fewer entities might be onscreen at once (whereas in an FPS framerate issues usually occur when there are multiple people on-screen with lots of gun particle/lighting effects involved.)
  
  But all that's just guesswork.
sideshowRAHEEM, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14i like to digg stories like this just to see the fanboys fight.
Xbox 360 Fanboy: ha ha your version of said game sucks
PS3 Fanboy: Not as much as your mother.

hours of entertainment.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Yep, the Nintendo Glove's are off at this point. We have 10 year olds serving it up to other 10 year olds, waaaay past bedtime on a school night. This is war of the most deadly type: games console!
  
  Next we will have a Wiigg occupation of Billy Curuther's bedroom because he submitted an unsanctioned positive review of the PS3.
xenovis, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10After the 300th or so slap in the face to gamers, who couldn't predict that the PS3 is going to be anything more than a major let down.
All Sony Fan Boy's click the Bury This button!
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Actually, your post is more of a slap in the face of humankind more than anything. You are living evidence that Charles Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection (you'll learn about that in school in about 5-10 years time BTW) isn't always right. Sometimes something undeserved slips through the evolutionary cracks, so to speak.
- sets13, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Some one took that one a little personally. I am not gonna bury your comment just so everyone else can laugh at you. Lol
waterdrop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"Unfortunately, some technical glitches and unstable frame rates plague both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 version of the game."

The only reason the Xbox 360 got such a better score was because of Xbox Live. Also remember the PS3 is still brand new to developers. I bet Tony Hawk's Project 8 Volume 2 or whatever is next will be just as good on PS3 as it is on Xbox 360.

Even though I think the title is somewhat not perfectly true, I dugg it. I can't wait to get my Xbox 360.
- Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7From the second paragraph:
  "Those frame-rate problems hit the PlayStation 3 version of the game significantly harder than the Xbox 360."
  
  So it's not just Live that made the difference.
Psyanide, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Is this really even an issue? A 6/10ths point difference between a launch title and a title that is one year removed from launch.

This is all getting quite petty, especially when you consider that launch titles are almost universally weaker because developers haven't had enough time to fully take advantage of dev kits.

Console wars are getting very trite.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's the price difference that makes the comparable systems not exactly equal.
zeejay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10What they failed to mention was that the whole franchise is equally stale on both platforms.
DigginTuesday, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8There's a demo of it on Live at the moment if you want to take a look. It could use some more instructions; I get going into the weird bullet time mode at first and it was totally baffling.
I think I'm going 360 + Wii, but my old PS and then PS2 gave me many hours of gaming pleasure, so perhaps I'll succumb. My issue though is if a game is released on all three platforms, I'd probably get the 360 version as it will be:
a) Cheaper than the PS3 version.
b) Better looking than the Wii version
c) Integrate with Live seamlessly (It's a well made point in the article. PS3 online play is looking patchy and fragmented with multiple providers, fewer players, etc).
- worldgate, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Now now, dont forget that we deserve to pay more for the beloved PS3 because were dumb americans, or something like that. Sony sux.
coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Newsflash: Game that was ported over hurriedly runs worse on brand new and buggy system than one that's been around a while!

Come on people, let the PS3 develop a little and actually get to the public before you start comparing it.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Wow, that's an interesting idea. Kind of groundbreaking, actually.
  
  Nah, we don't need rebels around here. Get back in your hole! And while we're at it, both of these games scored less than an 8. That's like comparing cum to crap and tasting them both twice just to make sure.
- worldgate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Naw, we enjoy using sony's tactics against them.
- Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Developers have been telling us for months that porting to the PS3 from the 360 is harder than the other way around, mostly because of the PS3's memory constraints. With this in mind, it's difficult to imagine that this will change as long as a game as multi-platform. It's sad that the starting point for improvement on the PS3 is to make games "run as well" as on a machine that's a full year older.
  
  Comparison is *the point*: Sony is banking on the idea that you'll find the PlayStation 3 more attractive, *compared to* the XBox 360 and the Wii. No one's giving Microsoft a free pass so there's no reason why Sony should get one.
Euan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Meh fan boy crap.

Who cares if it looks slightly better. Is the game-play any better on either system? No!
- isayx3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7The point isn't the 360 system is better, it is that Sony feed the media a bunch of exaggerations (future proof, only true HD console, cell processing is uber).
  
  Via these comparison reviews we find that the systems are comparable in power and performance.
  
  It has been said that the ps3 is extremely difficult to develop for. So the question is will developers as this one build a new Tony Hawk from the ground up specifically for the ps3? My guess is they are waiting to see how the system sells, because it is much more cost efficient to port a game over that was much more easily developed for on another system.
crcurran, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4The initial xbox360 games weren't that great. Spotty online support and in some cases low rez or interlaced (e.g. PGR3). Xbox360 is into it's second generation of games; the programmers understand more about its capabilities and they have experience with the development tools especially since they are familiar with Directx type games and multiple cores (and virtual cores). The PS3 is all new especially with the cell proc.

With that said, I hope Sony second generation games suck too LOL They deserve to be distant second or third. Sony dominated with the PS1 and PS2, now they are arrogant and want to ride on their past laurels. No way Sony! Put some effort in and stop with the lies about what the PS3 can do.
Kishoba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Excuse me if I find this rather inexcusable. Despite the power of these next generation consoles, they still suffer from frame-rate problems. Although this may not occur often, and be for the most part nothing but a minor nuisance, when I look at a console I deem that it's number one responsibility is to provide smooth game play. This means that first and foremost, the console is expected to draw the either 30 or 60 frames per second that is required for video output. Should this mean that quality of the graphics has to suffer slightly, then that is what is needed.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's more a question of skill and experience with the platform. 360 has come a long way in that respect.
choopie911, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0I picked up Project 8 yesterday. So far I'm dissapointed
macbookpromat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well looks like this week is going to give me a good laugh!
Morokeris, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"The PlayStation 3 version also installs a 264MB cache file onto the system's hard drive when you first put the game in your system. Presumably, this is done to help speed up loading, but the load times don't seem much better than the Xbox 360 version of the game."

Wow. It's not Ridge Racer's 5 GB's worth, but still, that's pretty pathetic if Sony had to do this just to KEEP UP with 360's loading time.

I actually saw this game (yes, the PS3 version) at the store five minutes ago; I had to do a double take. I don't know if I'm spoiled or not by the clean, sharp look of the Wii box art, but the PS3 game boxes just look...funny. There's like a 1/2 inch of clear plastic that continues on past the cover art with a faint plastic impression of the "Playstation 3" spidey font. Suffice it to say, I was more interested in the empty space for the Wii right next to it, with a lone Wii advert/poster.
finalbroadcast, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Who's really surprised that Tony Hawk games get crappy reviews. They've always been weak ports of whatever system is most popular, and rushed out.
- Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17.9 on a 10.0 scale is a very respectable, very playable, and very enjoyable score.
  
  Who's really surprised that some people think the scale begins at 7?
JurneyAhed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1So wait, a 360 almost-second-gen game got a slightly higher score than a similar not-even-first-gen PS3 title?

Wow, PS3 sucks. And all that.
- isayx3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5the 360 first generation games looked and played better than the original xbox 4-5 generation version of the game.....the point is if sony's ps3 was all the uber it's first generation games should be better than a the same game for a system that came out a year earlier regardless if its a launch title. Unless you concede to the fact that the ps3 is equal in power to the 360 (which is not what sony has been saying).
- JurneyAhed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, if the PS3 is as nightmarish to develop for as rumours suggest, then I'm guessing quite a few first-gen games will suck (from a technical standpoint) until developers get used to the machine - as THP8 shows.
  
  Also, don't forget, most ports are designed with the 'weakest' console in mind (as this gen showed quite well) - it's only exclusives (e.g. GoW, RE4, God of War) that truly exploit the architecture. THP8 was probably designed for the 360 and rush-ported over to the PS3.
  
  And I've no idea how the PS3 ranks in terms of power compared to the 360. I'm just thinking it's premature to judge right now.
  
  That being said, I'm not some crazy Sony fanboy - I've ironically started defending them more after reading all the anti-Sony stuff on digg ;)
Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sounds like the uniform XBox Live integration works for gamers just as well as Microsoft said it would, the way it should have been on the original XBox, and the way Sony only wishes they'd done.
BCSpecK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't find it surprising that Project 8 is better on the 360 than the PS3. Think about it: the 360 has been out for a year, and that's given development houses a fair bit of time to get comfortable with the architecture. The PS3 isn't even out, the architecture is complex as all hell according to developers (they said the same thing about the PS2 btw), and Sony's standard devkits have never been particularly good. Give developers a year or two with the PS3 to get used to it and to create their own in-house tools and then you'll see some games that live up the the title of "Next-Gen"
omgwut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is the.. umpteenth ***** Tony Hawk game and they're still having this kind of trouble in the online department.
Rousterfar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You guys do realize this is the PS3's LAUNCH right? What launch has ever gone by completely smoothly? Developers have had final PS3 dev kits for 6 months. Is it really that surprising that there are hiccups and some multi-console games are running a little better on the X360 which has been out for a year? Give it a year, then start comparing the multi-console games to see which system is more powerful.

Judging the PS3 on it's launch would be no different then writing off the X360 because some of it's launch games looked like higher-res Xbox games.
- omgwut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OPPS SRY
- Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Soul Calibur, a launch title for the Dreamcast, is STILL beautiful today. There are no free passes. The games are well-programmed or they're not. "Launch day" or "first generation" or not, will not, and can not ever be a valid excuse.
mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5All you Sony PS3 fanboys better get used to this - Xbox 360 version with Online support vs PS3 version without. I'm willing to bet this will become all too common...

With PS3, the game devs are responsible for setting up the online service, hosting it, blah blah. Xbox Live is pretty much plug and play...so that's why nearly every title has some online component even if it's leaderboards.
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, I believe every 360 game has to implement Achievements and xbox Live, it's part of the requirements.
  
  That's why many 360 games have leader boards it fulfills the online component if a game isn't really suitable for online play.
  
  This is also why we have to pay for live, because it's actually a service.
DeepFreezed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thats what you get for free. nothing.

I would pay $50 for quality online. If are are the bright type, you can find deals for around $40 bucks.
darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1of course it is worse, it is a half-assed port. It has nothing to do with the hardware at all, the developers just decided not to optimize it for the PS3, this article is making a lot out of nothing
ASSASSYN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I heard both suck do to framerate issues.
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