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Microsoft Says 120GB Is Worth The Money

2old2play.com — Microsoft's product manager, Aaron Greenberg, says the 120GB hard disk is well within reason for pricing. Really? Greenberg goes on to say "a 120 gig self-powered external PC drive and in that case we are seeing those retail at anywhere from $160 to $200 for comparable laptop sized external hard drives." So lets crack open a few sites and compare

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  • oldtimegamer, on 10/12/2007, -48/+51$200 for a hard drive? I paid that much for my 500gig.
    • strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -37/+97Is this really that difficult? You paid for an internal 3.5" drive. They are using a 2.5" drive that is housed in an external powered enclosure. They are not the same.
    • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -44/+48@strictnein Who cares what they are using? People care that it's horribly overpriced and that MS doesn't give them another "choice." For example let the X360 users use the USB ports for storage.
    • autocrawler, on 10/12/2007, -24/+16If you have a cable extender for your PC, every SATA drive basically becomes potentially external.
      The X360 drive is not an external USB drive, it basically is, as far as I know, a SATA drive with a digital identification mark in a pretty plastic box, nothing more.
      And as others have already mentioned, $200 gives you a 500GB SATA drive without any trouble.
    • pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -28/+37For a notebook harddisk, this isn't terrible ... what's the complaint?
    • charlescheese, on 10/12/2007, -40/+21The complaint is that ol' softy used a notebook drive in the first place. And we all know that Softy gets these drives for nothing. They're making at LEAST a 100% profit on the drive. This is another place the PS3 shines. You don't need some crappy overpriced proprietary drive to upgrade the PS3.
    • GasPoweredGnome, on 10/12/2007, -32/+67"This is another place the PS3 shines."

      Too bad its just terrible where it actually matters. Like you know, oh.. quality titles.
    • EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+49Where did you get a $200 1/2 TB 2.5" SATA drive?
    • Nitrodist, on 10/12/2007, -10/+39Considering how we're not on a laptop, what's the point of using 2.5" drives in the first place? The DVD drive that the 360 uses isn't to a 2.5" spec and this isn't a laptop, what was the idea of using 2.5" drives in the first place?
    • AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22I know this won't be popular, but in their defense the system overall is still a good deal. If you want extra features that give it more value, then they charge a little more to make up some of their loss(on the console). That is the way the gaming industry has pretty much always worked. You sell the console at a loss (unless you are Nintendo) and then you sell accessories and games at a profit. It makes for low entry costs but you pay as you benefit from the device.
    • Agret, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34and people don't complain about the price of a 64mb memory card? It's just a freaking flash drive.
    • MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -20/+39This is hilarious. People are actually defending MS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136007 81 bux
    • Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -29/+11"This is another place the PS3 shines."

      indeed, if theres one thing the PS3 does right, its taking up space...
    • Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+61I bought a 120 gig 2.5 inch hard drive in December 2006. Here's a direct copy/paste from newegg including external enclosure:

      SABRENT SBT-EKU25 2.5" USB 2.0 External Enclosure - Retail
      Item #: N82E16817155704
      Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $9.99

      SAMSUNG Spinpoint M Series HM120JC 120GB 5400 RPM ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
      Item #: N82E16822152032
      Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $81.99

      The end.
    • icantdrawanime, on 10/12/2007, -23/+4digg me down
    • aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14As people have pointed out you can buy a 2.5" HDD for $80; I'm sure MS gets it cheaper in bulk. However, I'm sure there are costs associated with the external HDD enclosure.
    • ryanworrell, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6@Nitrodist

      Because they are small, lighter, and can handle more shock.

      Why don't we just outfit notebooks with bigger, heavier, more sensitive hard drives?? /sarcasm
    • christophocles, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Yeah, tell me again why It's worth it to pay $200 for a smaller, slower 5400 rpm 2.5" hard drive when I can buy a 7200 rpm, 500gb, 3.5" drive for $145 and a very nice esata/usb enclosure for an additional $50?
    • dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Aegis,

      Yeah there are associated costs. They dope they make you smoke to where that $180 seems fair and reasonable is EXPENSIVE...
    • kingofwaldos, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Even better comparison:

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822154152

    • sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12OP, I paid $200 for 2 400gb HDs, seems like you got even a ***** deal. Anyways can't compare laptop 2.5" drives to desktop 3.5" drives. Plus why use 3.5" drives when they suck up more power, required an external power connection.. 2.5" drives do not.
    • lolhax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Blah, just buy a cheap 2.5" Western Digital 120G drive and put it in your 360 using The Specialist's HDDHackr.
      http://www.xbins.org/nfo.php?file=xboxnfo1565.nfo
    • flashingcurser, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Digg me down if this one has been posted:

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148144&CMP=OTC-RSS
    • Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It's so sad that so many people are actually defending Microsoft on this one. I'm beginning to wish I never bought a 360 if this is how it's going to be. If I'm going to spend that kind of money on gaming crap, I'm going to spend it on my games.
    • Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Sorry to hijack this thread however every comment down just kept getting worse and worse with people who know nothing as to how the 360 works and things you can/cannot do.

      First off... Notebook (2.5") HDDs are more expensive than 3.5" HDDs end of story.

      Ok now on to the good stuff.

      There are products currently that allow you to use a different SATA drive in the 360. The problem is that 1) you are still limited to the space to whatever the LARGEST MS drive allows. So when this comes out then you COULD have a 120GB drive. The other issue is that this only works with specific drives (generally the same ones that are in the unit to begin with) and they require some special tools (software) to configure. Check www.xbox-scene.com for more information on stuff like that.

      The next thing that everyone needs to realize is that you CAN use an external USB HDD with the 360. You cannot use it for any game saves or any marketplace content. You can only use it to play Music (and possibly photos, I never tried). All of the marketplace content is coded to the HDD and YOUR 360. This is so you cannot take your HDD to your friend's house and play your XBLA games etc.

      Lastly please stop complaining about all the licensing and whatnot and proprietary formats. The fact is that Microsoft is a business and there is no money on hardware sales and that is why they license hardware now. Besides that most of you probably do not realize the headache Microsoft saved themselves by only allowing the Microsoft Wifi piece; driver support would be a nightmare. Also realize that the reason (really the main one) for the HDD proprietary formats is for DRM. No matter what MS says it is for DRM. That is why they lock the drives and pair them up with the console so you can't move paid for content.

      I myself dislike the price point of the HDD and realize that there is not really a reason to purchase the thing (I don't keep too many demos) other than wanting to do the HD movie downloads and whatnot from marketplace (which I do not do). I would purchase the drive it it were both a little less money $100 or for the current price if it came with say 5000MS points. Not to mention that from the recent article that was posted (i saw it on digg) about the upgrade process from 20GB to 120GB you are going to lose any of the pre-loaded crap that is going to ship with the drive during the move process. That would have been fun if they would have made the drive stackable so that you can have both 20 and 120 in there at the same time too.
    • NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13""This is another place the PS3 shines."

      Too bad its just terrible where it actually matters. Like you know, oh.. quality titles. "

      Funny, I've been have fun on quality PS3 titles.
    • OutrightLie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Correct me if I am wrong, but the Premium system costs $399 and the Elite costs $479. With this you get a 120GB hard drive, which is worth about $80. You get black components, while not costing anything extra is probably worth $10 - $15 to some people. You get HDMI capability which probably adds about $10 worth of components to the main board. And then Microsoft is giving us a decent length HDMI cable which probably is worth around $20 - $30 dollars. So if you add the cost of these items that are above and beyond the Premium, the Elite should cost $524 give or take a few dollars.

      I think $479 is reasonable for this system. It might discourage current XBox owners from upgrading, but I don't think Microsoft really had that in mind when they made this system.
    • Konrad9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What people fail to realize is that you can't just plug in most of these drives and be on your merry way.
      If *every* drive out there worked with *every* PC without any drivers needed, then it would be the same comparison.

      However, I still find $180 to be rather expensive. $150 would be mildly acceptable, but $125 or $100 would see these units start to get moving (by themselves).
    • Konrad9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hey Moeb, I don't know about you, but the last time I checked, I can't just slap hard drives into and out of every single laptop on the market using a universal interface.
      But hey, I could be wrong, I mean, it's not like I have an iBook sitting right in front of me. Hey wait...
    • insovietrussia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Is it just me, or does this article/submission have no context whatsoever.

      What 120GB hardrive? What the hell are we talking about?
    • Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Look at it from this viewpoint. For a person who wants to buy a new 360, the Elite is $70 more, and with it you get 6x the storage capacity, plus HDMI support. That I don't think is all that bad. The only people it is going to suck for, is people upgrading existing 360s, because the extra price is getting tacked onto the already high $100 HD price, bringing the total cost of your unit up, without any extra features (the Core people are essentially getting hosed the worst that way, since they are still going to be paying that $470 price, but not getting the wireless controllers, HDMI, etc).

      Another thing to consider, is that it is roughly $100 for a 120gig 2.5" drive (talking retail, not OEM), but you have to consider the extra cost of the external drive enclosure. Drive enclosures are typically $20 on up, but the cheaper ones suck *****, keeping the drive spinning constantly, etc.

      I'm not saying $470 isn't expensive for a game system, but, it isn't out of line compared to the other 360s or PS3s.
    • xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@yorn

      Ya so, Your Drive is only a 5400 RPM Drive. The Xbox 360s Drive is 7200 RPM Drive. Faster and different drive. Stop looking at the GBs.
    • derricklorah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I could care less about the elite (and its overpriced hdd)... what I do care is that the premium is still 400 dollars having been out for 3 years this november is rediculous. I think I speak for everyone when I say the Premium should replace the core (along with the 300 dollar price tag) and the elite should be 400.
    • middl3name, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@cerebral

      "All of the marketplace content is coded to the HDD and YOUR 360. This is so you cannot take your HDD to your friend's house and play your XBLA games etc."

      This is entirely false. It is possible to remove your hdd and connect it to another 360 and view/play XBL content. The content is associated to your XBL account. What you suggest does not allow gamers to swap out faulty systems while keeping the same hdd.

      @derricklorah
      The 360 will enter its third year this November. It will not have been out for three years (it was released November 22, 2005).
  • Zero2aHero, on 10/12/2007, -11/+52This price is *****, Microsoft has been pretty good during the 360's cycle of realizing when they've made a public ***** up... hopefully they will hear it again this time. Selling a bigger hard drive is supposed to help facilitate the sale of more marketplace content, but if the entry price is $180 for a bigger hard drive then there is no incentive at all for people to buy this. Everything this hard drive is going to store is something you will have paid for, so why not set the price cheaper in hopes that more people will buy the bigger hard drive and more people will buy more stuff to put on that hard drive?

    Blah!
    • Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -20/+5This is Microsoft, all our brain are belong to Vista.
    • AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I would use the bigger harddrive, but it would primarily be for game demos and free videos and my music that I don't pay Microsoft for. I really think that the argument that everyone is going to use a bigger hard drive to buy stuff from the market place is a pipe dream of an argument.
    • NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32I don't know, I'd call $100 for the 20 GB a MUCH bigger rip-off at $5.00 per GB.
    • ryanworrell, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4@nsmike

      "I don't know, I'd call $100 for the 20 GB a MUCH bigger rip-off at $5.00 per GB."

      Rgr that!
    • sancho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Supply and demand, my friend. The supplier will sell at the price where the market will buy. If they aren't moving enough of these drives, they'll drop the price, plain and simple.

      What, you thought Microsoft was Goodwill or something? They're a company in it for the money. The only story here is that they're trying to spin it to look like it's closer to the market price.
    • wcbzero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@zero2ahero You have a good point with the marketing of the larger hard drive, I am actually surprised they arn't doing that, as it seems like a very Microsoft thing to do (IE the MS Academic Alliance), but it is only $80 more from the 20 GB model, and $180 for a model with no drive at all....
  • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -27/+4I hope MS didn't go out and buy the cheapest Sata notebook HD on the market. Doesn't this thing need to do HD video?
    • Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40Congrats on using the same acronym twice and having it mean different things.
    • gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Sorry I thought you would know the difference.
  • LACHRYMIST, on 10/12/2007, -41/+13Boy Microsoft is really doin some dumb ***** with their price points.
    Elite - $479
    HDD - $179

    jeez.
    We will all know why PS3 is the leader this time next year.
    • animalmuther76, on 07/30/2008, -12/+22yeah but nobody is forcing you to buy the extra drive are they? anyways 360 with 120gb HD is still $30 cheaper than cheapest PS3
    • diggfinity, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11@LACHRYMIST:
      "We will all know why PS3 is the leader this time next year."

      That was the funniest God-damn impression of a Sony fanboy I've ever seen. Kudos to you, Sir! You've made my day! Funny, funny *****. Just fantastic.
    • KingAdrock, on 10/12/2007, -18/+50"We will all know why PS3 is the leader this time next year."

      Yea have fun folding proteins until then douchebag
    • diggfinity, on 10/12/2007, -24/+11I was folding proteins on his mom all night.
    • ryanworrell, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4PS3 will never take 360. Sorry bud. M$ is pwning this market right now.

      jeez.
      We will all know why Sony is the out of business this time next year.
    • Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@diggfinity

      Calling out the PS3 fanboy but not the dozens of Microsoft fanboys? Hmmmm

      Anyway, I still have no problem paying more for my PS3 than I did my 360 in part because of the hard drive issue. If 60 gb is not enough for my PS3, then I can feel free to go out and buy whatever hard drive I want. I WAS going to buy the larger 360 hard drive, but not at that price.

      Looks like I'll be spending more money on Sony content for my gaming systems than Microsoft since I'll actually have affordable space for it.

      Let the digging down by fanboys begin!
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31I don't usually defend Microsoft but a $50 difference isn't a big deal. Let's face the facts here -- Microsoft is in this business to make money. If you bought a $400 console, a $50 live subscription, and $60 games then guess what? You'll pay the extra $50. If that makes you angry take a deep look into your soul and think about other hobbies you might enjoy besides video games because that's how the industry works. (don't forget your $100 wifi adapter while you're at the store)
    • caketank, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17Here's the thing: I want a bigger HD, but there's no way I'm making that deal. I'm annoyed because by offering a 120GB disk at the completely ridiculous price of $180, they've effectively not offered any upgrade path at all. The wifi adapter is the same situation. $100 for a wifi adapter is just nuts, so the XBox 360 effectively does not have a wifi option. What makes this all the more grating is that the damn thing has USB ports, and they're just refusing to let me use them.
    • Goblinkiller, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Yeah - I agree - when you bought your 360 you should have understood that something as powerful as that couldn't be as cheap as that because Microsoft isn't into the charity thing here.

      What they loose on a 360 they earn on selling games and overpriced 120 GB hard drives. If you don't like it and consumes a lot of games then you should have bought a PC - a 360 is only cheap if you don't consume much games...
    • Cam_86, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@caketank

      No,what makes this irritating, is this stuff is MOSTLY being used to sell you other stuff. With a PC hard drive, the manufacturer does not know whats going to be used on it(Could be vista ultimate and a legit copy of PS2, could be all open source stuff). With a 120gig 360 drive, Microsoft knows it'll be filled up with the stuff they are selling you. You would think that would motivate them to make it initially cheaper. Maybe subsidize the cost, as they are all but guaranteed to make more money off you in the marketplace.
    • fanclerks, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3So... many... spelling and gramatical errors.... head... going... to.. explode!!
    • eMximeR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Theres a lot more, cheaper wifi options that that overpriced USB adapter. You can get any kind of wireless bridge or access point for as low as 30$ at Newegg.
  • kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Breaking news: Microsoft won't disparage their own products as to detract sales.
  • jonmlm, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1ohh, this is about the 360. might want to mention something about that in the title/description next time - yes, it's in gaming, but when it lands on the front page it could be about anything.
  • Yossarko, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29Do the retards who keep sprouting off "500gb for the same price" even know what the hell a laptop drive is ?
  • ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8Was in Staples last night.
    120GB internal laptop drive. After mail-in rebate. 85 bucks.

    Buy your own drive, and stop giving it to Microsoft.
  • doshindude, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6I bought a 120GB external for 80 bucks online, take that, Microsoft.
  • C0lMustard, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Any thing thats proprietary costs more, so an extra $50 doesn't bother me. I not buying one because there's no reason, I can't download movies or TV (Canada), and no games require that kind of space. I have never even cleaned out my HD and I still have 11 gigs. They could sell it to me for $60 and I wouldn't buy it... it's useless.
    • caketank, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7What? A jacked up price doesn't bother you, because they jack up prices? That's a fascinating circle of logic you've drawn there.
    • C0lMustard, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3It is a normal business practice to charge a premium for proprietary products. Thats how good companies pay for service, R&D etc... I accept that.
    • caketank, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@C0lMustard:

      The whole point here is that there's no *need* for these proprietary products. We have interconnect standards like SATA and USB, on top of which Microsoft is layering their own proprietary crap. That proprietary crap is there to support the higher prices, not the other way around.
    • Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@C0lMustard

      The sales guys at the car dealership must love you.

      Regardless if you're going to buy this thing or not, it's ridiculous how much they're charging given their competition's flexibility when it comes to the hard drive.
  • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Vote with your wallets.

    You really only need the 120 GB HD if you plan on doing the IPTV anyway, but if these things are not selling as well as they hoped, they will go down in price.

    Besides, I would expect to see a price drop when the IPTV launches to entice people to go out and buy the drive and sign up for the service.
    • smiley2billion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Microsoft IPTV is already out in the wild. If someone is looking to get this hard drive in hopes of an IPTV "launch" then don't. If you do not already have Microsoft IPTV through your current provider then do not expect it to magically appear in the marketplace come November.

      This is just a heads up to people who do not realize how IPTV works.
    • ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Actually Microsoft would not lower the price. The 360 line is to new for a new model to see a price drop. That model would just disappear.

      A recent example; Sony did not lower the price on the entry level Playstation 3. And it was never officially discontinued by Sony. It just disappeared.

      The same thing would happen with the XBox Elite. If it does not sell you will not see stacks of them marked down. They will simple be taken away.
    • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not saying they will lower the price of the Elite...I'm saying they will lower the price of the 120 GB HD add-on.
  • yensed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Why is it so hard to find instructions on how to Mod the 360's HDD/Enclosure? For $120 you can get a 160GB notebook HDD off newegg. And its already possible to transfer all the data from the 360's HDD to a computer. It can't be impossible to remove the 20gb HDD from an enclosure and install a larger one.. Can it?
    • edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9In a a word, yes. Microsoft locks the 360 to a specific model of HDD with a specific encoded drive header. You could change the drive, but only to another one with the same model, and you'd only get the exact same capacity (even with a bigger drive, the encoded and thus non-modifiable header limits the capacity the 360 'sees').
    • xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That 160 GB Drive is probably 5400 RPM like most are, the Xbox 360s drive is 7200 RPM.
  • ddldave, on 10/12/2007, -30/+7Boy Microsoft is really doin some dumb ***** with their price points.
    Elite - $479
    HDD - $179

    jeez.
    We will all know why PS3 is the leader this time next year.
    • AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Yeah, but they have to sell some consoles first.
    • ryllharu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Nice to see this is an exact copy of LACHRYMIST's buried post above. The question, ban just one of your accounts or both?
    • shogusumi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Plus, uh, the elite comes with the hard drive, so was there a point to your post? It's not like you have to buy an Elite AND a hard drive...
  • CompanyMan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6So, ppl were perfectly fine w/ already spending $100 on 20 gigs, but then M$ offers 6x the amount of storage for $80 more and it's outrageous?! Ppl need to stop blaming others for their consumer mistakes.Unlike most i wait for things to climb down in price and see people reactions in forums such as this.

    If push comes to shove i may just "GIVE" my newly acquired Xbox360 to my wifes kid brother and wait and go buy the Xbox360 Elite.
    • yensed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The premium console includes more then a 20GB HDD. It comes with a wireless controller too. Which isn't bad for $100.
    • razorsharp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm not okay with spending $100 on 20GBs, I think that's outrageous, just like I think $180 for 120GBs is outrageous. Really, this "upgrade" is for idiot kids who have to have the "latest and greatest." But really - this whole "Elite" thing makes the PS3 look really dammed good. It's same old Microsoft - the Microsoft that Halo fans have been saying had no influence on the games division (or Home and Entertainment or whatever they call it). This just proves that going the 360 route is the path to forced upgrades, whereas Sony is maintaining their previous extended support strategy. I don't care how much Microsoft can keep costs down on their console if they're just going to require expensive upgrades a year later. Windows users get screwed all the time, and now that XBox is gaining a stable place in the market its users are about to get screwed as well (hell, if you owned an original XBox you already got screwed).

      I'm just tired of being told that I blew a bunch of money on my PS3 when every single person I know with a 360 has spent more money than me and the console still lacks many of the features my PS3 has. Eat your ***** words, the 360 is by far the most expensive console on the market right now.
    • Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"So, ppl were perfectly fine w/ already spending $100 on 20 gigs, but then M$ offers 6x the amount of storage for $80 more and it's outrageous?! "

      No I think we thought that was a pretty retarded price as well.
  • ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It seems to me that every attachment for the 360 is more expensive than it should be - and all for the same reason: You've only got one place to buy it - Microsoft.

    The 360 is basically a little pc - I see no reason why they shouldn't have a standard USB or SATA or IDE or whatever plugs on the machine so you can plug in any hard drive you want. Instead they'll create some jacked up plug so you'll have to buy their ***** and they can charge whatever they want with it.


    Same holds true for their expensive wireless adapter.

    Here are some PCI wireless network cards from Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=41&name=Wireless-Networking-Devices
    Notice they are going for as low as $17.99. The absolute most expensive card is the Linksys version for $49.99

    Here is an xbox 360 wireless adapter: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103016
    Ummm.... this is $89.99 WHY exactly? Is the market for white plastic absurdly high right now?

    Oh well as much as everyone says Live is so amazing I will not be paying for it because I'm not running wires all over hell to plug the thing in, and it is bad enough to pay $15 a month (on top of what I already pay for internet service) - AND I have to shell $90 for a flimsy piece of plastic? No thank you.

    • eliotmat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You don't have to buy the xbox 360 wireless.

      I'm using the old xbox wireless adapter on my 360. You can pick these up significantly cheaper.

      Also, there are third party wireless adapters that can be used. However, I haven't done any price research on these.
  • mccargo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is the stupidest headline ever. What would they say? It's not worth the money... Idiots!
  • bane221, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Did I read this correctly? They can find it for 'have' the price instead of 'half' the price? Unreal.
    • eliotmat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They pay you $170 to get the hard drive.
  • jon61575, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Why don't they just allow you to hook up an external hard dive through the USB port? You can already hook up an iPod or Zune and stream music, why not video from an external USB hard drive?
    • ddldave, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13i believe the ps3 allows you to do that
    • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The PS3 does. You can attach any 3rd party USB harddrive or Flash drive.
      I have a 500gb USB Harddrive drive connected and it cost me way less than the X360 120gb.
      I can't believe this forum and all these X360 users. They defend Microsoft for essentially overcharging them and forcing them to use proprietary accessories.
  • BadSyntax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I have a 120GB 5400RPM 2.5" external drive (Acomdata I believe) that is fully powered by USB.... its around $130 or so at Frys, with a rebate its like $80.

    My Xbox has been used maybe 20 hours for games, and 2000 hours because of xbmc, if only MS would have seen that with the 360, they could have made a GREAT media center PC for a few hundred bucks, left it open for lots of upgrades, and sold the crap outta it....

    Too bad they make their money off the games tho :(
  • ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7""I can get a 120GB hard drive at [insert store here] for have this price!""

    Have this price? Idiot.
    • RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3You half to explain to me what you are saying - I think I only got halve of it.
    • dpl_, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3What a poorly written article. This is just blog spam.
  • ryanworrell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@ZeroMP

    It's called a business man, when you control your own market and no one else is competing with you, why not. Considering that these things you speak of (wireless card, hard drive) are not complicated or too terribly different from standard PC products. Instead of griping why don't you call up MadCatz or Nyko and these such companies to manufacture and product to rival these in the market. Competition leads to lower prices. They do it with controllers, why not these other accessories.
    • ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Thank you ryanworrell, I did not know that the manufacture and distribution of a line of products was called "business" ...man.
      You have enlightened me. Oh, and I'm going to get right on the phone with my contacts at Nyko and MadCatz as soon as I finish this reply!

      Now allow me to reciprocate with some knowledge of my own, that I believe you do not possess: Just below and to the right of a comment is a [reply] link. If you click that link then your post will appear below the post to which you are replying and you wont have to type: @ZeroMP.
  • Cimlite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Guys guys... your not counting the gerbils inside. "Self-powered".
  • compujunkie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yes my friends, this is proof that Microsoft is smoking their own supply! What's next, a $150 HDMI cable that's the same color as your 360? Ooooooooh, freakin Microsoft!
    • jull1234, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5You realize that the HDMI 360 comes with HD cables, an HDMI cable, and another audio-only cable for those who dont want to do audio over HDMI...right?
  • youknowimurdad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I see ayeroxor beat me to it above...but here it is anyway....

    From TFA:
    "I can get a 120GB hard drive at [insert store here] for have this price!"

    Perhaps they should not buy the drive and spend the money on a remedial English class.

    it's/its
    their/they're/there
    who's/whose
    lets/let's
    weather/whether
    to/too/two

    Here, bookmark this: http://writing2.richmond.edu/writing/wweb/conford.html
  • thatsiebguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What would make this easier to swallow is if they offered a subscription to XBL content instead of having to shell out 50 bucks every time you wanted a couple movies worth of points, on top of already paying a yearly subscription fee just for XBL Gold or whatever. And I don't even get to watch the movies later on without spending more points, which is something I would gladly pay extra for if it was a feature of a subscription.

    Arg.... >:o
  • qazsedcft, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"120 GB ought to be enough for anyone..."
  • HarryGreek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3$80 for 250GB external hard drive from Comp USA. This is what happens when console gamers try to party like the PC Gamers - they get ripped off.

    Yes, I know PC hardware is much more expensive than console hardware, but in regards to value - consoles are overpriced. Specifically when they try to make consoles more PC like (with hard drives, etc).
    • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm more of a PC gamer myself because RTS games are my favorite, but consoles are much better for group games, racing, and fighting games. Also I'd much rather play games on 65" HDTV than my 19" LCD. Secondly my PS3 is connected to my home audio system so I find myself using my PS3 much more for music than my PC. The other nice thing with the PS3 is I don't have to buy proprietary accessories, I have a 500gb USB drive connected from Lacie, and a Gyration wireless keyboard and mouse. Everything works great. So I'm not paying more for the accessories. I love to watch these X360 fans in this forum convince themselves that 120gb drive is a good deal.
  • edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3One of these days, Sony and Microsoft will wake up and realize that consumers don't want to pay more for their gaming console and accessories (with a 4-5 year life cycle) than the did for their computer... Consoles are supposed to be for general gaming! It's not about tech - it's about fun, which is why the Wii will win this round of the console war.

    I love my 360 and find myself playing Worms a lot on it. For serious games, I'm moving over to the PC.
  • xDibblerx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3It's not a terrible price considering that you can buy the 64MB memory card for a scant $50. ;)
  • coolusername, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Merchandising! Merchandising! Merchandising! We’ve got X-box the Breakfast Cereal... and X-box the Flamethrower!
  • NYC10004, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1People who oppose the 360 merely to defend the PS brand have realized that they cant win the argument that the 360 premium is overpriced in comparison to the PS3. They will usually throw in optional specs that the majority of us don't use, HD-DVD, wireless networking etc... Unfortunately, the Elite is not overpriced and once again its optional. I personally don't need the 120GB's but I'm not a media hoarder, so whatever.
  • shadowpr0ph3t, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2So what do I do with my overpriced 13GB HD now?
  • melenko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2What exactly are people going to do with 120GB? The saved games/demos don't take up that much space in the first place. If this is going to be for your own media then use an external usb hdd, they work fine when formatted to fat32 even if it is read only. If you could write to it then you would get all sorts of problems with not unmounting the thing properly after you'd written to it.
  • Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This would have been newsworthy if Microsoft had said "Nah, it's totally not worth the money."
  • iRoy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1120GB enough fr anyone?

    hmm then i wonder how my kid sister manged to fill up 250GB on her desktop.....
    • eliotmat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Your little sister must be a huge porn addict. Probably the Black Guys White Girls sites.
    • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In the world of Xbox, where game saves are a few megs at MOST, yes. Microsoft lets you re-download for free any content you've purchased in the video marketplace, so you don't NEED a 120 GB HD. Let them store the video for you and download it when you want to watch it again.
  • jull1234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hack hack.. http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox360-tools/HDDHackr.php
  • Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Is this really that difficult? You paid for an internal 3.5" drive. They are using a 2.5" drive that is housed in an external powered enclosure. They are not the same."
    Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. We know what a laptop hard drive is. It's a little more expensive but not that much more (look at the comparable laptop drives in the article) and it's SATA which means it gets it's power from the computer. They actually save money because they don't have to include a power supply. They are charging 80 bucks for a drive caddy.
  • fodder0, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3burn and die you overcharging pricks.
  • aludra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I don't see why people are complaining. If it's not worth the price, don't buy it.
    Both the 360 and PS3 are good systems, just not for their price(my opinion).
    MS probably went with the 120 2.5 HD to deter modders(they're more expensive to purchase).
  • CompanyMan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2considering M$ is throwing in the HDMI cables with the Elite something SONY didn't wit the Ps3 and Monster Cables -HDMI are around 100 bucks if you want quality i'm not complaining.

    Also can i use say a NETGEAR’s Wireless-G USB 2.0 in my Xbox360 ?
    http://www.netgear.com/Products/Adapters/GWirelessAdapters/WG111.aspx

    Is that the same thing ?
    • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Big deal. HDMI cables are marked up SO MUCH it's insane. You can buy them for $8 on sites like monoprice.com. These systems SHOULD include them!
    • melkore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No but you can buy a $30 wireless bridge from newegg and plug a network cable into it and get a wireless connection.
    • inajeep, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@Timmygunz: Then why didn't Sony include them in the PS3 if they are so damn cheap?
    • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@inajeep

      Good question. Why don't you ask Sony?!?!
  • OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I agree that they should offer it at a lower price or bundle it with a free game. But I would hold off on picking one up because eventually someone will come out with a software hack that will allow you to pick up a bigger hard drive at a lower cost and use that instead. The will always be a workaround.
  • slickrick2k1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think the white one actually kinda looks better. You nerds need to stop arguing.
  • cannabinemsi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i get 120GB for my PS3 for less than 65€. guess my xbox 360 will just have to keep those 20GB.

    180$ for 120GB is just ridiculously overpriced, just like 90$ is overpriced for the 20GB HDD...
    • shin_en, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ cannabinemsi

      sorry, off topic, but do European keyboards have € on them or do you have to use an ASCII code for it? If it is on the keyboard, does it replace the $ on US keyboards (it's shift + 4)?
  • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Why are there no third-party HD's for the 360? Does M$ prohibit this?
  • au071, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Microsoft doesn't make HDs, so the price got to be higher than regular HD makers; and is it really that high? If you don't like the price, don't buy it, no one is forcing you.
  • henrythehorse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I'm glad I don't need to worry like these Xbox 360 owners that are getting the shaft. I can upgrade my PS3 at any point that I wish with any 2.5" SATA hard drive opposed to having to sell the entire console in order to drop half a grand on a new unit with the special features of being spray painted black & having an inflated price.
  • shin_en, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I seem to find that if companies have to justify the price then it's overpriced
  • CanadianGuy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3[subliminal message] buy a PS3!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Jeez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Reason for Hard drive Dilemma in XBOX 360 is because of M$ descision to sell HD movies in XBL only way you can get the studios is to low is to make 360 a fool proof system (no 3rd party HD vendors etc)
    • TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They don't sell movies, they rent them. The DRM on the movies should work on any branded HD.
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