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Archaeologist Finds Tomb of King Herod
hosted.ap.org — An Israeli archaeologist has found the tomb of King Herod, the legendary builder of ancient Jerusalem and the Holy Land, Hebrew University said late Monday....
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- goodbeershow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21They better start digging in Earhartium and Hoffaium. Who would have guessed?
- therightside, on 10/12/2007, -30/+68But... i thought everything in the bible was made up fairy tales? Thats what the diggers told me.
- deepdiggdude, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24Digg title: Archaeologist Finds Tomb of King Herod
Actual article: King Herod's Tomb *May* Have Been Found
FTA:researchers found pieces of a limestone sarcophagus believed to belong to the ancient king...no bones (but) the sarcophagus' location and ornate appearance indicated it is Herod's.
Netzer ...was not on the site when the sarcophagus was found.
Stephen Pfann, an expert in the Second Temple period at the University of the Holy Land, called the find a "major discovery by all means," but cautioned further research is needed.
He said all signs indicate the tomb belongs to Herod, but said *ruins with an inscription on it were needed for full verification*.
--Okaaaaay. Come back when you've got some evidence we can take to court. - vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -20/+10@therightside
There is no question on whether or not Jesus was a historical figure, but the fact that it could have quite possible that his followers ate some moldy bread and hallucinated his holy presence is up for debate. I mean for all we know... A clumsy grave robber could have caused the greatest change of history known to man.
One thing I would like to point out is that there is no historical record in Egypt of the Jewish exodus. Either the Egyptians completely erased their records of said event out of embarrassment or perhaps the land the Bible refers to as Egypt is in fact another nation. - sardon1c, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I think the reference to "Habiru" in Egypt, mentioned in historical texts outside of the Bible, are the Jews.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -19/+15"But... i thought everything in the bible was made up fairy tales? "
The bible is a sophisticated book of myths, it's not all fake, it's not all real, but most of it started as something real that was incredibly exaggerated over the series of years of authorship and editing.
It's no more a fairy tale than the stories told by the ancient Greek/Mycenaean, Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Aztec, Native Americans, early Chinese dynasties, or Indians, just their interpretation of events and explanations for them. The most interesting part about the Bible is that it's one of the very few of those religions/systems of life that is still in practice today, probably having something to do with the spread of the religion from ocean-going countries, and a great deal to do with the fact that Christians were told by the Bible to slay anyone who didn't believe in their one true God and to destroy all idols and works supporting those other religions. [Of course, Christian people will deny the hell out of the latter part; there's no way /their/ religion was ever so evil.]
But hey, why listen to a Pagan, strap me to a cross and burn me already. That red button calls for you... - nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@geminitojanus I think he was being sarcastic. But judging by the way you cut off the 2nd part of his quote, you probably didn't understand that.
- wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4There is absoulutely no evidence for a historical "Christ." If that pernicious fairy-tale were subjected to the same standards of proof as are other historical events, it would be in a category with "faked moon landings." There is one (count it, one) roman historian who mentions someone who sounds like JC, BUT there is an overabundance of evidence that christian literalists altered documents that they allowed to exist, in addition to banning and burning documents that threatened their rise to power in the early centuries AD. Add to that the "coincidence" that almost every event in the gosple narrative of JC's life also happened to a host of near-eastern dieties - Attis, Mithra, et al - including the virgin birth, the healings, the temptation in the wilderness, the crucifixion, rising on the third day, etc., etc.. These events are staple elements of *solar* diety stories, told to illustrate astrological/seasonal events that were of vital importance to the ancient, agrarian world. The problem isn't with the story itself, which is morally uplifting, and meant to be. The problem is with the degenerate literalists, who were a minor cult, despised among the original christians until they hooked up with the Roman Empire. They forced others to swear to their articles of faith, at swordpoint. And the rest - wars of religion, inquistions, witch burnings, book burnings and the supression of rational inquiry into nature - is "his-story." For more on this, read "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" by Acharya S.
Believe what you want, but when you get out in the world and threaten children with eternal fire, and cast your curse on human joys, don't whine about how you're being "persecuted" when others counter with logic, sanity and sound historiography. - RightHand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=858212&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4
In the enlightened world it's called robbery - Haaretz - Israel News
The discovery of Herod's tomb, or to be more precise a few fragments of dressed stone that one archaeology professor has concluded are the remains of Herod's sarcophagus, have preoccupied television news and magazine programs. One important detail was forgotten, or almost forgotten: that the excavation of this tomb of Herod was carried out in occupied territory, where Israel has no moral right to dig and certainly not to remove archaeological artifacts. In the enlightened world, what Israel is doing is called robbery. According to Israeli law, of course, the robbery is organized and supported by state officials bearing the title of junior staff officer for archaeology.
- DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -66/+14Have they found any evidence of the mythical Jesus Christ yet?
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
...nope- ddales, on 10/12/2007, -39/+8Now that was just silly. Everyone already knows he ascended. Naturally, or un-naturally, there will be no physical evidence but you better believe it anyway.
- adent1066, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Unless you were a ruler or military leader, it's not likely that a single individual would have much historical archaeological evidence from 2000 years ago.
- ubuntuedgy, on 10/12/2007, -17/+54If you want to claim that Jesus was nothing more than a man, fine. But to claim he did not exist when there are, in fact, historical references to him is just plain dumb. He existed. Whether he was God or not is clearly open to debate.
- rarkai, on 10/12/2007, -8/+57You know? You are just as bad as the overly evangelical Christians you hate.
If you don't believe in Jesus, then by all means, you are free to do so, but don't bash others for choosing too. That makes you as bad as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
There is no reason people who have religious beliefs and people who don't cannot get along. It is simply jerks on both sides of the issue that keep up the fight. - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -15/+29@dildooreilly - There is actually evidence that Joshua ben Joseph, or Jesus Christ, was a real person - for one thing you don't show up in three different religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) on a whim.
Plus to tag on to what others have noted - practice what you preach, if you don't want people jamming religion down you throat then don't do it to other people. - grve, on 10/12/2007, -28/+4except when all three religions evolve from the same hoax source religion
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17"Have they found any evidence of the mythical Jesus Christ yet?"
The answer is yes, indeed. The evidence is *as inctrontravertable* as that of any ancient historical figure.
The notion that Jesus never existed was first proposed in the early 1900s and enjoyed a very brief popularity. For some reason, it has been resurrected in the early 2000s, and highly popularized on the Internet. The problem is that people who put forward this idea are those who would accept the existence of Socrates, Plato, Virgil, Caesar, etc.,etc.,etc., and still deny Jesus' existence. Yet, there's more evidence that Jesus existed than several of these other cases.
Even when we want to discuss the existence of more recent historical figures -- take William Shakespeare for example -- we still rely on similar types of evidence: works attributed to the person, if they exist; documents discussing said person; documents describing their associates; archeological evidence which can be directly associated with said person (such as Shakespeare's grave), or which verifies the accuracy of a source -- obscure locations (a street, a well, a palace, etc.) which the source refers to, lending it credibility.
-Pie - dmerc, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2You're an idiot.
- jeolmeun, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Have some videos at http://www.leestrobel.com/Christ.htm
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Why is Jesus' Fulfillment of Prophecy Unique? (5:15) - Mark Mittelberg, Lee Strobel
Why Did Jesus Not Fulfill All the Prophecies About Him? (2:35) - Mark Mittelberg, Lee Strobel
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Are There Other Explanations for the Fulfilled Prophecy in the Life of Jesus? (5:34) - Mark Mittelberg, Lee Strobel
Christ Shares in Our Suffering (7:03) - Diane Langberg
Christ Follows Us into Our Darkest Places (3:02) - Diane Langberg
The Case for Christmas from Eyewitness Testimony (5:26) - Lee Strobel
The Case for Christmas from Early Recorded Accounts (6:51) - Lee Strobel
The Case for Christmas from Archeological and Historical Records (4:22) - Lee Strobel
Christmas Celebrates the Birth of God, not a Man (5:57) - Lee Strobel
The Case for Christmas from Fulfilled Prophecy (6:36) - Lee Strobel
Easter Ultimately Proves the Case for Christmas (6:14) - Lee Strobel
The Verdict is Convincing in the Case for Christmas (6:17) - Lee Strobel
Was Jesus Really Born of a Virgin? (6:45) - Lee Strobel, Mark Mittelberg
What Child Is This? The Identity of the Child Christ (9:26) - Lee Strobel
The Accuracy of the Gospels: Did the Writers Tell the Truth? (4:12) - Lee Strobel
The Evidences for Jesus' Deity: Did He Back Up His Claims? (6:38) - Lee Strobel
The Impact of a Historical Jesus: What is Our Response? (8:38) - Lee Strobel
Do All Roads Lead to God: Is Every Religion True? (0:45) - Lee Strobel, Gregory Koukl
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Did Jesus Rise from the Dead? The Resurrection is a Historical Fact (1:08) - Lee Strobel, William Lane Craig
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Do All Roads Lead to God: Jesus Was Not One of Many Prophets (1:07) - Lee Strobel, Gregory Koukl
Do All Roads Lead to God: Lee's Perspective on the Matter (1:26) - Lee Strobel
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The Evidences for Jesus Deity: Did He Claim He Was God? (5:22) - Lee Strobel
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How Many People Really Saw Jesus Alive? Eyewitness Accounts of Christ (8:18) - Lee Strobel
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Did Jesus Fit the Old Testament Description of the Messiah? The Power of Prophecy (7:25) - Lee Strobel
Did Jesus Rise From the Grave? The Resurrection Reality (3:46) - Lee Strobel
Debating the Existence of God: Jesus' Resurrection as Proof (7:12) - Cliff Knechtle
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The Case for Easter: Did Anyone Really See Jesus After the Resurrection? (6:12) - Lee Strobel
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Is Jesus the Jewish Messiah? (4:05) - Michael Brown
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Has God Revealed Himself Personally to Creation? (5:15) - Dr. William Lane Craig
Did Jesus Claim to Be God in His Teachings? (5:53) - Dr. William Lane Craig
Did Jesus Claim to Be God in His Actions? (5:07) - Dr. William Lane Craig
How do Muslims Conceive of Jesus? (4:54) - Dr. William Lane Craig
How Much Sin Will Jesus Forgive in My Life? (9:32) - Luis Palau
What Does it Mean to Be a Follower of Jesus Christ? (13:13) - Rick Warren
Response to an Email Regarding the ARCHKO Volume (3:04) - Lee Strobel
Former Atheist Now Deist, Antony Flew, Goes Beyond Deism Saying a Creator Was Involved in the creation of Life. () - Lee Strobel, Antony Flew - DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6""The answer is yes, indeed. The evidence is *as inctrontravertable* as that of any ancient historical figure...., there's more evidence that Jesus existed than several of these other cases.""
""historical references to him is just plain dumb. He existed.""
""There is actually evidence that Joshua ben Joseph, or Jesus Christ, was a real person - for one thing you don't show up in three different religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) on a whim.""
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Ever notice that Christians never provide links to back their claims? A good 30-40% of Agnostic/Atheist posts supply links to factual information. Wacko fundies just report on whatever delusion they happen to be having that moment. I dare any Relgious nut to develop a habit of supplying links with their messages. Can't do it, can you?
Ask any local university historian for the evidence indicating jesus was anything other than a manufactured martyr of the late 1st century CE.
He/she will tell you that no such evidence of a "historical" jesus exists. His existence MUST be taken on faith, just like those who believe in Zeus and/or many other mythical characters.
Nothing was written about jesus for more than four decades after he was "supposedly" executed. He has no tomb because (conveniently) his burial could not take place (as his imaginary daddy
whisked him up to heaven, apparently just in the nick of time!).
But a man going about the country raising the dead, among other miracles, should have caught the attention of someone!
But no contemporary historian wrote even one sentence about him.
Why is that?
I'll tell you!
Because he didn't exist for them to write about!
The FACT is that jesus christ was a "manufactured martyr" of the late 1st century CE. A small political group "created" him to serve them in their cause of ridding their nation of the Roman occupation.
All such groups at that time needed such a person (who was apparently willing to die for their cause) to gain recruits.
Look it up!
In the 4th century CE, the church became worried about this lack of historical evidence. So the christian bishop and church historian Eusebius went so far as to alter the works of Flavius Josephus to give jesus
credence where none existed (See his Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2, or his Praeparatio Evangelica, book 12, chapter 32, where he admits altering historical works for the benefit of the church is a good thing!).
But he failed.
He had neglected to alter the work of earlier christian historians who studied Josephus and found no mention of jesus (the principal one being the christian historian Origen, who studied Josephus extensively).
But the "Josephus" claim as "proof" for the historical jesus is a poor argument at best, for he was born after the "imaginary" crucifixion anyway!
Mythical characters, like jesus christ, have ALL been manufactured in a similar manner.
Christians are only fooling themselves.
They are to be pitied in their ignorance. - DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4""You know? You are just as bad as the overly evangelical Christians you hate. If you don't believe in Jesus, then by all means, you are free to do so, but don't bash others for choosing too. That makes you as bad as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.""
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Wheres the "bashing"? Why would you feel insulted by me linking to historical facts? Do you think because maybe you don't know a whole lot about ancient history? Or maybe you know little about science or scientific methods. Do you feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created directly from dirt?
Just curious - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I resent having to agree wholeheartedly and in every detail with someone named "dildooreilly." :)
And on that topic, the fact that Bill O'Reilly is still on the air, taking the moral high ground, preaching his authoritarian dogma to impressionable minds, illustrates the principle at work in "christian" belief as well: that we see what we want to see, even when the evidence (Bill's creepy harassment of his employees, and his professed penchant for stimulating his rectum with a dildo - all caught on tape and widely reported on) is right in front of us. Our perception and thought processes are distorted by "faith," which invariably has some scary supernatural punishment/reward beneath it's surface.
Sorry, am I "bashing" you, by examining your omnipresent, threatening, irrational claims too closely? By exercising logic about claims that you are preaching at passersby, foisting on schools and government, using as a motivation to invade and occupy countries and steal their mineral wealth - etc., etc. Well, at least you're not in a position to burn and torture "heretics" any more, and by doing so make the rest of the population cower in fear - but wait, most of you seem to deny that that ever happened! Am I a "jerk?" If that's what it takes to resist your sick, coercive, mind-numbing dogma, then I'll risk it. - ddales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, I never expected that kind of response. Somebody didn't catch the sarcasm.
All I know is for someone so famous, there has never ever been any real/proven forensic evidence of the guy. Personally, I couldn't care less if he was real or not. That's about as relevant to my life as the Easter Bunny or Santa. If you take my comments as an attack on Christianity, or for that matter, taking the side of some other religion or the lack thereof, you're way off the mark. Religion to me is also completely irrelevant. No forensic evidence means that the evidence either hasn't yet been found or doesn't exist. One of the two has to be the truth but not both.
- TheSalmonThief, on 10/12/2007, -19/+5IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND
- saethone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Everybody knows Herod is in Scarlet Monastery: Armory
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I knew that was coming.
- Oxygen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10BLADES OF LIGHT!
- mlvassallo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Stop DPS when he's spinin'!
- Xarou, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2He's also in South Shore. I found him once as a little kid. He was running around with Mograine and the whole lot. Kel'Thuzud, Nathanos (pre Blightcaller), and a multitude of others were there too. It was like a big party. In the Inn, there were a bunch of people that were looking at a crystal. < sarcasm > They also talked about the Ashbringer. I'm not sure why they want ash or why someone would go into the profession of bringing ash, but they cared enough about it. < /sarcasm >
- brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Need roll on epic two handed axe!
- chrysb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0lol!
- dfltr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3seriously. i heard the archaeologists wiped a bunch on pats before they got to the actual tomb.
- Rostin, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7In case anyone is interested/confused, this is not the Herod mentioned in the Gospels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod- therightside, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Really cause the article says he was King in 40 BC and then wiki says:
Herod the Great (c. 74-4 BC), king of Judea who reconstructed the Second Temple in Jerusalem and was described in the Gospel of Matthew as ordering the "Massacre of the Innocents
Isnt the gospel of mathew in the bible? - illegalcortex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8And now for a less smartass correction: the Herod in the story of the killing of babies is this Herod, Herod the Great. The Herod that had John the Baptist beheaded and who ruled the Jews under Pilate was Herod Antipas. The Herods in Acts were Agrippa I and Agrippa II. I'm sure there are more there, but this should suffice to demonstrate that all manner of Herod are in the Bible, but it's hard to know who the hell someone means when they say "Herod in the Bible."
- nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@therightside actually the gospels occur after Jesus was born. So if Herod died 4 BC it would not be the one you are talking about
- illegalcortex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@nsummy
Jesus' birth was somewhere between 8 BC and 2 BC. Yes, it was the same Herod. - therightside, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@nsummy
You do realize that things are written down AFTER they occur, not before or during, right?
- therightside, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Really cause the article says he was King in 40 BC and then wiki says:
- lyrix191, on 10/12/2007, -29/+25Jesus never existed? That takes more faith than Christianity itself. Tacitus, Josephus...the continuing archaeological support for the Bible. Sorry, it just ain't so. The religion of atheism is aggressive. It's an attempt to avoid the moral requirements and the possibility that humans may not be the most important thing in the universe.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell57.html- TheBowerbird, on 10/12/2007, -17/+24Actually, the Josephus mention of Jesus was forged and added at a later date. Atheism is also not a religion.
- fcmk, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7>>The religion of atheism is aggressive.
That doesn't make any sense, since atheism is the lack of religion. Why are you even comparing atheism to the belief of the existence of Jesus? Jesus has come up in so many different texts, in so many different languages and in so many different locations, that I certainly think it's _possible_ that Jesus existed, although the magic tricks are just imaginations of the storytellers. But I still don't believe in god(s) at all. Give me definite proof that Jesus or God or Santa Claus exists and I am very willing to believe in it. Until then, sorry no bonus.
>>It's an attempt to avoid the moral requirements
Please elaborate, I don't think I understood. You're saying that I'm trying to avoid moral requirements? How can you even state something like that? You don't me nor all the atheists. People can do good deeds just because they are good deeds. Everyone doesn't need a heaven type of reward or a fear of god. I think that's much more warm-hearted.
>>and the possibility that humans may not be the most important thing in the universe.
Again putting words to my mouth? How do you even measure the importance of existent and non-existent objects in the universe? This whole idea is so staggering that I don't even know where to start. Aren't air, light and water more important than humans? Without them there wouldn't be any humans. And I didn't even go to atoms and stuff.
Now I will digg you down, because I disagree with you and question your ability to think logically. - roxics, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32I disagree, I know some atheists (or at least that's what they call themselves) who preach atheism or rather anti-religion, and act just like die hard religious types in that fashion. Very religious about atheism :)
I have to ask myself, why do they care so much what I believe in? - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7@fcmk - The phrasing is wrong, but the philosophy of atheism can be aggressive when atheists go out and try and force their concepts on other people - if you are trying to "educate" or "enlighten" someone against their wishes (i.e. they didn't come up to you and ask "Why do you believe in atheism") then you are being aggressive.
- ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8"It's an attempt to avoid the moral requirements and the possibility that humans may not be the most important thing in the universe."
Funny you should say that because organized religions (especially the Abrahamic religions) are so bloody ignorant to make human the superior beings to everything expect for their gods.
Humans created in god's image; history of all the universe evolving around humans (on the planet Earth only, of course) ...you name it.
There probably will be a time when humans are extinct just like many species before and nobody gives a ***** about us and our fantasies about superior beings. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4@darkstar949
First misconception: You don't "believe in" atheism; it's a lack of (blind) belief.
Second - the question is indeed "Why do you believe?", and if you find questioning irrational and unprovable beliefs "aggressive", that's your problem.
I may as well just call you a baby-eating paedophile and if someone asks why, I'd tell them they are aggressive. - GiggleStick, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3@ICSU
If we're to be extinct in a geologically short amount of time, then it shouldn't matter that we briefly thought we were the most important creatures in the universe. The real question is, why are you so incensed about the beliefs of a an insignificant species? - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4@ICSU - I consider atheism to be a belief because it attempt to answer something that is arguably completely unanswerable, namely whether or not higher intelligences exist. As for the aggressively factor of things - the same applies to any other religion or belief system out there - if you go around actively trying to tell people what you believe in, then you are being aggressive.
- ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4@GiggleStick
Because organized religions cause a lot of tragedies and stupidity by indoctrinating kids, just like any other systems based on blind faith and superiority (communism, fascism...).
Organized religions are also trying to impose their opinions on all of us all the time (abortion, divorce, etc.).
@darkstar949
You are also only telling us your beliefs so you are being aggressive by your own logic right now. - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ICSU - Yes and no, you asked a question and I am answering it - you can't really complain about someone answering a question, even if you don't like the answer.
- AntiA2007, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7No credible historian today denies that Jesus once existed.
- agimat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"I disagree, I know some atheists (or at least that's what they call themselves) who preach atheism or rather anti-religion, and act just like die hard religious types in that fashion. Very religious about atheism :)
I have to ask myself, why do they care so much what I believe in?"
oh, just seeking validation for their own brand of bs. - jamesivie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@TheBowerbird: "Atheism is also not a religion"
If that is true, then we can legally discriminate against you and your beliefs. If it is not, we seem to have a big problem with separation of church and state recently! - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4The arrogance and whiny petulence of christians ("stop thinking and talking - you're 'bashing' me! I'm being 'persecuted,' just like in the Roman arena!") when their cockamaimy "faith" has had it's boot on the Western Mind for two millenia, is intolerable. It's a lot like white people complaining "why is black people's racism okay, but I can't say 'n***er', even in jest?" You deny your historical legacy of barbarity and abuse, deny that you have any special privledge, when you are in an overwhelming majority. One can't turn on a radio or tv in this country without being inundated with threats of FIRE, or anti-sexual self loathing, a sickness enviously projected onto others who may be enjoying themselves and their bodies in a manner of their choosing, with condemnation. There is a conspicuous, highly-organized fundamentalist campaign to "take back America for Christ," that was responsible for putting the current smirking chimp in the oval office, and launching an oil war with plenty of us-vs-them *religious* rhetoric from the pulpits of churches and right-wing radio pulpits. It has killed over half a million people, according to the World Health Organization. How many times a day in America does someone say to another "You'd better find faith, and get right with God" - or the equivalent? And what are the consequences of that? Being ignored, or told to ***** off are the extremes. But how acceptable is it to walk up to someone, leaving church, perhaps, and say "Why do you people believe that nonsense? It's keeping humanity mired in a pre-rational condition." What happens to people that say those things? They get broken noses, or worse (in my small western town, and most others), they get ostracized and fired; for the past two thousand years, they've been tortured to death, burned, hanged, drawn and quartered, and drowned for saying the equivalent. So let's not kid ourselves about an equally weighted marketplace of ideas here, much less the fantasy of christians being "bashed" or persecuted.
- MattBlackCat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Here we go again ..... cue another pointless theological flame posting
- jerkfaceirl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Amish is the only true faith.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Personally I'm starting up a new Branch Davidian complex... Lots of guns and women. Who could resist?
- fightingirish, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Reptilian Space Pope FTW
- jerkfaceirl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Amish is the only true faith.
- sdclarknc, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4There is only historical reference to the mythic/legendary figure. Not to a real person.
- sneakywombat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4actual article title: "King Herod's Tomb May Have Been Found". The digg title is misleading.
- 03FightOn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3first line of the article:
"An Israeli archaeologist on Tuesday said he has found remnants of the tomb of King Herod, "
Which do you pay more attention to, the article or the headline? - RightHand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A Palestinian official on Wednesday expressed doubts regarding an Israeli archeologist's announcement that he had found the tomb of King Herod, the legendary builder of ancient Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1178708568365
PA official disputes King Herod's tomb discovery claim | Jerusalem Post
The Palestinian Authority Tourism Ministry said there was not enough evidence to support the archeologist's claim.
"There's nothing unusual about the latest discovery, which is no different from previous ones," a senior official in the ministry said.
The official claimed that the discovery was lacking in "scientific credibility" and showed that there were ideological motives behind the dramatic announcement earlier this week.
- 03FightOn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3first line of the article:
- boatboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9To be clear, this is Herod the Great, who died around 4BC. The Herod that allegedly killed John the Baptist was his son, Herod Antipas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_Antipas
Up until now the main non-Biblical historical evidence for their existence was the book Antiquities, written circa 100AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities_of_the_Jews
Of course this finding could still be disproven, but it does at least suggest that Antiquities is a somewhat reliable historical source.- ostracize, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@JimSpaza
All Wikipedia facts are correct until proven wrong.
- ostracize, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@JimSpaza
- wbienek, on 10/12/2007, -11/+31As far as Jesus not existing and him not being God..
We'll find out when we die.
Place your bets. The current wager is your immortal soul.
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On another note, I notice that the Digg Community diggs down what they dont agree with instead of digging down spam, trolls and unintelligent arguments..
Uncool..- MooX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@wbienek
You're just now realizing this? The Digg Community will be the peril of Digg. Look at 5.1.07.
For all the good there is the bad, and we just have to learn to take the bitter with the sweet. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7"The current wager is your immortal soul." sounds unintelligently enough to digg you down.
There is no wager, only personal frame of reference influenced by where you grew up. - rhabd0mancer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I sold my soul to Milhouse.
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Pascals wage rearing it's head again.
You can play this wager with the tens of thousands of so called Gods in human history. Maybe you should be hoping that it won't be Shiva kicking your ass when you peg it. - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry ... I got all my money on the 72 virgins.
- wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2You're not betting your immortal soul; you're losing -right now- your chance to live freely, and with dignity, unburdened by irrational fear of the supernatural. But the upside is that you not only get to threaten other people with eternal FIRE and TORTURE to relieve your sense of slavish humiliation; you are *obligated* to threaten them, to secure your place in Daddy's lap forever. Woo-hoo!
- Screwy1138, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@waka
what an ignorant statement. Study up a bit. Understanding that your not the center of the world, what is right and wrong is not defined by your opinion at whatever point in time, reality is not dependant on your interpretation, and you'll start to find true freedom and intellectual enlightenment. Sin enslaves people and destroys their freedom. - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Screwy: Here we go again: christians have a monopoly on virtue. Everyone who doesn't buy into the idea that God had to kill his own son to balance out the free gift of salvation, which we MUST accept or BURN FOREVER - is entirely selfish, a moral reprobate, ignorant, a "sinner." Your asinine, boneheaded literalism, and your strident condemnation of "the unsaved" as being contaminated by "sin," would be laughably in contradiction to the teachings of your supposed master, if it didn't, in practice, lead to an epidemic of mass-delusion, and a plague of self-loathing - which are then projected in the form of condemnation of others, up to and including rationales for warfare, torture, pogrom, auto-de-fe... Now it's controlling the schools, and telling people who they can and can't marry - soon you'll be back in your game and sticking a crucifix in my face while I burn on a stake. Go into your closet and pray, you judgemental, hypocritical, psychotic busybodies!
- MooX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@wbienek
- wbienek, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7In defense of Atheists and Skeptics!
Because of twisted doctrine.. IE doctrine of 'WORKS BASED SALVATION'.. I cant blame them completely for denying the existence of God etc. 'That' God isn't a whole lot different than the God Muslims worship!
Salvation is a FREE GIFT, not of works, lest any man should boast.. (paraphrase Eph 2:8-9)
God in effect says.. Ok.. you cant make it to heaven on your own merits... Because God is HOLY and JUST, someone has to be punished for your sins, so JESUS accepts your punishment... Therefore, if you accept that he took the punishment you deserve.. FREE PASS TO HEAVEN..
Any 'morality / works' will come naturally to a Saved person.. Its not something you consciously do/try for..- MooX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@wbienek
I tried to sort of look beyond the pulpit speech that you were gearing up towards on your last post... hell, I even kind of defended you.
And before I say what I need to say, know, I do believe in God... I JUST DO NOT RAM IT DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS.
You, my friend, are about to get the plunger out.
Just remember that when anyone is forced to ingest too much of something, they throw up.
You were complaining about spam, trolls, and screamers before... and now you have become one. Rethink, reflect, than go looking for some digg salvation before you are a full-blown heretic. - sonicdevo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3whoah, all he did is outline exactly what Christianity says about the one way humankind can get to heaven. he wasn't preaching.
- phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If god was HOLY and JUST then he would know that I have not done anything wrong and I do not need "punishing". Therefore I wouldn't need to be "Saved" by any twisted little contract. If god was HOLY and JUST then he would let me believe and act in accordance to my innate morality and sense of goodness. And would welcome me to heaven unconditionally. If he is not HOLY and JUST I want nothing from him and I will willingly omit myself from his UNHOLY and UNJUST "Heaven".
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@phaed
God spared not the angels that sinned but cast them down to hell
How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@eagle22s (#6582041)
First of all that salvation is not great. Its a farce. Second. There is no such things as "Angels". Third. I need not escape from anything I'm fine and dandy as I am.
If your god sends you to hell you better start calling him satan.
- MooX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@wbienek
- prakatmac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Okay, I'd just like to point out how the title of the digg posting is "Archaeologist Finds Tomb of King Herod" while the actual story's title is "King Herod's Tomb May Have Been Found." While in this particular case this manner of overstatement is pretty harmless, the media at large does a pretty good job blowing things out of proportion on their own. I don't think digg users need to help them out any.
- RightHand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It would appear that the ideological bias flows almost naturally from the basic immorality of excavating in occupied territory: The rush to declare that this is Herod's grave recalls various vain attempts by local archaeologists to deceive the world with sensational discoveries that have little connection to reality and which dissipate like soap bubbles: beginning with the dubious Josiah inscription, which turned out to be a forgery; continuing with the fraudulent James Ossuary, reputed to be that of Jesus' brother; the family tomb of Jesus' family, that recently caused a baseless sensation; not to mention the cave discovered in the Judean Hills a couple of years ago, which, based on a few blurred carvings on its walls, was attributed to John the Baptist, with the same certainty and insistence that the same Jerusalem professor is now attributing four broken stones to Herod.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=858212&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4
In the enlightened world it's called robbery - Haaretz - Israel News
- RightHand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It would appear that the ideological bias flows almost naturally from the basic immorality of excavating in occupied territory: The rush to declare that this is Herod's grave recalls various vain attempts by local archaeologists to deceive the world with sensational discoveries that have little connection to reality and which dissipate like soap bubbles: beginning with the dubious Josiah inscription, which turned out to be a forgery; continuing with the fraudulent James Ossuary, reputed to be that of Jesus' brother; the family tomb of Jesus' family, that recently caused a baseless sensation; not to mention the cave discovered in the Judean Hills a couple of years ago, which, based on a few blurred carvings on its walls, was attributed to John the Baptist, with the same certainty and insistence that the same Jerusalem professor is now attributing four broken stones to Herod.
- moskrin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7archaeologists... now those are some folks who digg...
- wbienek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3How do you 'ram' a free gift?
Someone can take it or leave it.- mrsark, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2its not much of a gift..
- MooX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@wbienek
"How do you 'ram' a free gift?"
Ever have a "free" vacation on a timeshare property?
You're doing the same with religion here. - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1According to "GOD" only the believers are "Saved" and the rest are damned then that is quite a price to pay. Don't wanna pay for his protection? You go to hell. If it were really FREE every human being regardless of his religion or belief would be granted a peaceful afterlife.
- wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's a subtle threat, an imaginary protection racket, with real payments.
- brentvee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Herodium. The missing link Mohinder needs for his cure
- SOULEVENT, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2How will an atheist ever know whether or not they were right? If they die, fade to black into nothingness...how are they gonna talk ***** to all the NON-NON-Believers?
Not to put too fine a point on it...debate and dwell on the TRUTH, whereever it is. I believe in our Creator and I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, BUT, In my short time on earth I have noticed that people are power hungry, selfish assholes, so I am also open to the fact that MANY years have passed between the gospels and ANYONE including popes and emperors may have written in their own little facts.
But to deny you have a spirit is ignorant, and if you admit you have a spirit, who are you to call ANY of the prophets liars if you havent walked in their shoes?
I hope you people are ready to see some really awesome stuff.- rhabd0mancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When you fade to black into nothingness, how will you know you were wrong?
- AntiA2007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1SoulEvent: at that point, would it matter?
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"But to deny you have a spirit is ignorant, and if you admit you have a spirit, who are you to call ANY of the prophets liars if you havent walked in their shoes?"
Ignorant? Let's have the evidence then. Oh, that's right, you don't have any - just a bunch of dubious stories and a dose of wishful thinking.
And, by believing in your particular flavor of religion, you are calling the prophets and followers of all other world religions liars. Who are YOU to be calling them all liars?
Here's one way of looking at it - you're ALL ***** unless you can put up some solid evidence for your magical religious happenings.
I don't care if your 2000 years dead and in a book. A ***** is a *****. - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Its astounding that the human race has gotten this far and people are still living in a fantasy land.
:'(
- rhabd0mancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When you fade to black into nothingness, how will you know you were wrong?
- locri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As has been pointed out above, this article is only that the Tomb --might-- have been found, not that it is. Given the text of the article it seems like a lot of top-down processing is going on in the mind of this archaeologist. There have been no inscriptions found to completely verify this, so they are just making guesses based on it being a more fancy tomb than others.
And to all of those saying that this somehow proves Christianity right: The city of Troy has been found too, but it doesn't mean that the Trojan War happened as it was described in mythological text... get a grip. There is a huge precedent for using an accurate historical backdrop when creating mythological stories and Christianity is no different.- RightHand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1All true.
The Palestinian Authority Tourism Ministry said there was not enough evidence to support the archeologist's claim.
"There's nothing unusual about the latest discovery, which is no different from previous ones," a senior official in the ministry said.
The official claimed that the discovery was lacking in "scientific credibility" and showed that there were ideological motives behind the dramatic announcement earlier this week.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1178708568365
PA official disputes King Herod's tomb discovery claim | Jerusalem Post
- RightHand, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1All true.
- AntiA2007, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4More proof of the validity of the bible.
- exec721, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Validity of the Bible? Isn't that open to interpretation? Couldn't one argue that it is simply a history of the Jews and early Christians? Just because they believed something was taking place, doesn't mean they were correct. Sure, the stories may have been told honestly, however, you can't dismiss the fact that they could have misinterpreted events. For example, when the Kingdom of Israel was taken over by Assyria, the writers of the Bible said that this was because the Israelites had broken their covenant with God. However, when we examine the situation historically, we find that there were several reasons as to why Assyria would have wanted to conquer Israel; it contained rich and fertile land, provided a buffer between Assyria and Egypt, it was located by the coast, etc. Furthermore, many books in the Bible may have possibly been forged. The reason for this is that many ancients writers used to make their books famous by placing famous names on them. That is not to say that everything about them is incorrect, however, any responsible historian would tell you that you need to look at it with skepticism. This even happens in some of Paul's writings as the dialect and grammar changes in some books.
With that said, I respect everybody's religious beliefs. I simply urge anyone who reads the bible to please put it in historical context and try to understand the situation for what it was, not as it appears today. - illegalcortex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@AntiA2007
You do realize no one disputed Herod the Great's existence, right?
The validity of the surrounding historical events of the Bible actually greatly increases in the New Testament. I would say this is largely because it was set during Roman rule, which including much better recordkeeping and means of preserving documents.
While many texts were retroactively written, the history was either a lot fresher in the writers minds or easier to check on. There's a big difference between this and the stories of the Old Testament. - wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1More proof of the irrationality of "believers," grasping at straws and demanding to be respected and taken seriously for telling us their tall tales.
- exec721, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Validity of the Bible? Isn't that open to interpretation? Couldn't one argue that it is simply a history of the Jews and early Christians? Just because they believed something was taking place, doesn't mean they were correct. Sure, the stories may have been told honestly, however, you can't dismiss the fact that they could have misinterpreted events. For example, when the Kingdom of Israel was taken over by Assyria, the writers of the Bible said that this was because the Israelites had broken their covenant with God. However, when we examine the situation historically, we find that there were several reasons as to why Assyria would have wanted to conquer Israel; it contained rich and fertile land, provided a buffer between Assyria and Egypt, it was located by the coast, etc. Furthermore, many books in the Bible may have possibly been forged. The reason for this is that many ancients writers used to make their books famous by placing famous names on them. That is not to say that everything about them is incorrect, however, any responsible historian would tell you that you need to look at it with skepticism. This even happens in some of Paul's writings as the dialect and grammar changes in some books.
- loboforestal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I thought Ron Paul was Jesus and he loves macs and hates ID cards.
This is Digg, right? - kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I'm an atheist that thinks Jesus Christ did exist, but he was no son of a god of any sort.
Just google Family Guy and watch the video where Stewie visits himself in the future, and finds out that Jesus's abilities might have been a tad exaggerated. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -2/+8Just because New York City (the entirely real city) exists doesn't mean that HEROES (the entirely fictional TV show set in NYC) is true.
There is NO evidence that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. The only papers documenting him at all were written over a century after his fictional death (amalgamated from over a score of prior mythical messiah tales) by people who could never have met him.
So, in point of fact, the overwhelming evidence (including sources prior and contemporary to when he was supposed to have lived) only confirm that he was and remains an entirely fictional character. No one who actually lived at that time has any recollection, in any form, that he ever existed at all...period.
It doesn't mean the moral messages of the bible are any less relevant or valuable to those who find guidance or solace in them. But those messages are simple universal truths all based on the Golden Rule of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". They were known and passed on for tens of thousands of years before the bible and they will still be true long after we're gone.
There is nothing divine in knowing right from wrong, or in knowing that your own existence is better assured by mutual respect and civility.
Everything else (re: all religion) is just the result of weak, charismatic men trying to lay down rules to control other men...or more accurately...their women.- jeolmeun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2What do you think of all the allegories, foreshadows, prophecies, types and figures of the Messiah in the Old Testament? If you watch Heroes or Lost, you may know about things writers put in earlier episodes to show they aren't just making things up as they go, but that they know the overall story. Same is true for the Scriptures regarding Yeshua the Messiah.
- diggmhb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Foreshadowings as evidence? If the writers of the gospels had written their gospels without access to those fore shadowings then any consistent "fulfillment" of them would be very interesting and carry some weight. Unfortunately for settling any arguments that did not happen.
The gospels that survived the early religious disagreements over what stories were the "true" representation of Jesus were written decades after the events. So they were vulnerable to problems of errors and changes that occur with word of mouth and rewrites. As with any story, it would be very unusual if the later versions didn't include more fullfilments of prophesies and foreshadowings than the first versions. Every author would have got a kick, not to mention more followers, if their version upped the drama. That is how human story telling works, its unstoppable.
None of this proves that Jesus was not God. But the claim that he is God isn't backed by credible evidence of prophesy fulfillment in any gospel we have today.
Believe what you will but remember this. If you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and he is real, he will feast on your toes for all eternity. If you believe in him and he is not true, you will only be the laughing stock of all reality. Choose wisely. - exec721, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Good point. As many people have mention, however, its possible that he may have existed as rabbi or holy man at some point. His followers may have just exaggerated his story. In early Christianity, there were many groups such as the Gnostics, the Ebionites, or the Marcionites, who all had different ideas regarding the nature of Christ's divinity. Many of them felt that Jesus was merely a spirit or had a spirit enter him during his baptism. Of course, there is no evidence to suggest that either point of view is correct, however, it just goes to show the amount of diversity that was around in the first 100 years or so following Jesus' death. One thing historians have noticed is that each group used the gospels that suited their beliefs and modified them to meet these needs. For example, the Gospel of Thomas can best be interpreted from a Gnostic point of view and as a result, it was banned by proto-orthodox Christians. There was nothing spectacular about the beliefs of proto-orthodox Christians that made them superior, they just happened to be the "winners" and so their interpretation is one that is most commonly known.
- FAT_PIGGY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ohh no it so holy
- Justavian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm interested by the fact that most believers will tell you that they require no evidence to believe. Indeed, evidence that refutes any of their beliefs will be discounted or ignored. But, by god, if they come up with something that they think is evidence, they sure aren't afraid to yell it from the rooftops!
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Believer's don't need "evidence" to believe, we have faith. The reason that evidence is "yelled from the rooftops" is for those who do not believe.
- phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2There you go. Straight from the ignoramus's mouth. We [don't need "evidence" to believe, we have faith]. In other words: It doesn't matter whether what I believe in is true or not, if its fact or fiction. I will continue to pretend it is the truest of all truths.
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him
- wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You are operating on an emotional, prerational level. It is a coping strategy for stress and/or grief, or other threat to the ego, called "regression." This tendency to regress is *structured* for you by religious teaching, and woven into a semi-coherent set of irrational beliefs. You are hypnotized, in a trance, seeing what is not there, as has been suggested to you, and as you continually self-suggest. Your "hope" and *fear* are two sides of the same coin, the carrot/stick, the pharonic crook and flail, that are used to control you. Armies march, witches and heretics burn or are beheaded in the town square - any depravity born of greed and political opportunism can get your dozey nod of approval if the right words are spoken, the right gestures made. This is your "faith," to those who have awakened.
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The fool has said in his heart "there is no God"
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0the Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
- phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@eagle22s
Have ye any thought of thy own? Or are old words in Shakespearian manner all that comfort thou. - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@eagle22s
"the Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?"
You shall fear GOD. For he is thine enemy over all. Judge, jury, and executioner of your soul. Why thoust call him "God" when his job description reads "Enslaver of Humanity, Punisher of the weak and the foolish" - eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him;
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0and yeah all those old words comfort me, why does it bother you so much. for I know that my redeemer lives, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth; and though worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate me from the love of God.
- wakananda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'd like to be clear: just because christian beliefs are everything I've said they are, doesn't mean there is no spiritual dimension, divine aid, guidance, etc.. I'm not insisting that you, in the privacy of your home, must have no intuitive apprehension of the divine (which will come to you in ANY form that works for you, in my experience). I'm saying don't be dogmatic. Don't drag your bigotry into rational discussions and expect not to be treated like the whiny infants you are when you get slapped down. Stay the ***** out of schools, and don't tell me or anyone else who they can and can't marry unless you want some deep and abiding opposition to anything Jesus-related (coming from smart, resourceful and relentless people, whom you have given no choice but to undo you). Don't go on a ***** crusade again (oops - five years too late). Go into your closet and pray.
- eagle22s, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0the bottom line is there was one question asked and answered and then you feel the need to slam that comment over and over again. I don't believe I have shown any bigotry, you however have made yours pretty clear
- FunkyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Very frustrating - I posted this article 8 hours before this one was posted, rrrrr...
Digg mine! I was first!
http://digg.com/world_news/Tomb_of_Herod_King_of_the_Jews_Discovered- mikejonas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You should've posted "AACS Code Found on Recently-Discovered Tomb of King Herod."
- dinkinflicka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0There is a cool show on The History Channel called 'Digging for the Truth' that investigates archaeological findings such as this. I wouldn't be surprised to see this on an episode at a later date.
http://www.history.com/minisites/diggingforthetruth/ - robflm256, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0.........And we'll never hear from it again, sadly. Information is power.
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