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Everything of Genius Is Simple
artchallengeworld.com — This article is devoted to one surprising property of a human nature. You will not believe me first, but I’llshow you, that it is the truth. And one riddle.
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- syl1985, on 10/12/2007, -2/+85If this was written in English. not Engrish, it would be easier.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -15/+6Solution: One of the camels should be pregnant. Lame story dugg to show off my genius.
- AdrianRice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Good to see Yoda's got a gig writing for World Medicine News
- Tu13erhead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Oh, herro. Great to see you again, Hans!
- aakrzemi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A simple answer indeed. Kill the wise man and one of the camels and forget all the stupid fractional ***** that doesn't add up. Either that or RAdiantBeing is right, I don't know.
- UglieJosh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+57The problem I not to understand because on the reading of article I imparted to posses headaches numbering 1 million.
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+58anyone that was able to finish reading the damn thing rates genius in my book.
- resplence, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yeah I sort of lost interest when I saw the page titled "News of Science".
- thejuicer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32The solution is terrible.
So the three men go to see another wise old man
who says "I have a camel I no longer need, take it"
so they have 18
eldest gets 9
middle gets 6
youngest gets 2
which means that there is 1 remaining
which goes back to the wise man - datagod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Doesn't wisdom dictate not to type all in italics?
- YumYumKittyLoaf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3::Edit:: TheJuicer got to it first
Unless it's engrish, they didn't say that the master was dead. All it says pertaining to the master dying was this:
"He wanted that after his death his disciples have found a new wise teacher. Therefore in the will, he has left to the disciples seventeen camels with such instruction: ... When the teacher has died, and the will has been read, disciples have been amazed first with such inept distribution of property of the teacher." The "When the teacher has died" is the part I'm wondering. Either the story states that he died and his pupils are figuring things out, or they read the will and are trying to figure it out before he dies.
In the case of the latter, the person they find is their old teacher.
"...until they have met one wise man. He has told: Here to you the solve of the riddle … And disciples have found the teacher. "
Which corresponds to the story's beginning of calling the teacher an old wise man:
"So, the thousands years ago lived one old wise man who had three disciples."
So... either it's translated poorly, and they found someone else, or it's correct and they searched until they found the same teacher. - SeniorElGuapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As if it hard not enough to read italics come in used!
- Dundasbro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Youngest - 2 Camels
Middle - 6 Camels
Oldest - 9 Camels
There, who cares about stupid parts of camels when you can just round up and it all works out?
Or they could just go into business with each other in some kind of camel related job and share the profits the way that was described. - gldfshnpcklejar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10It's like that awful teacher in grade school, who thinks she's really clever, reading out of one of those lateral thinking books.
The secret to the puzzle is you are on the moon in a swimming pool!!!
Thanks a lot No Child Left Behind act. - Dundasbro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Damn the juicer beat me :(
(Kind of, same final answer different way of getting it) - chicbicyclist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The answer is that the wiseman doesnt want of his disciples to get any camels at all since they probably won't be able to answer the riddle.
- joeydoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The truly wise don't give a ***** about dividing the camels as per the will. They split them up equally..... because frankly why should the oldest get more of the dead man's stuff...... then cook and eat the odd two.
All the ***** about and walking around trying to find more "wise people" in a desert situation is not at all wise.
He's dead... move on. - KillaGoat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This camel made my head hurt. I believe the old man was attempting to get his disciples to drink more and to BBQ one of the camels.
a WTFCAMELBBQ to be exact - joach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wisdom is the ability to understand what is truly good.
Wise people have as if an internal moral compass that guides them in making good, humane decisions continuously. Wisdom is a spiritual quality closely connected with compassion and love. Wisdom is simply an ability to understand how love should be expressed the best way.
Intelligence is something different. Intelligent people would be able to solve this kind of riddle, but that doesn't in any way mean that they wise! - Ramtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that was fairly simple... fractions and italics...
- Zanku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My brain is numb. There should have been a warning on that ramble.
- SaxxonPike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think the point of this story isn't splitting up the camels at all. Their "wise man" was wrong from the beginning.
A thought comes to mind: "We got a few guys in the room about this subject, and only one of them had something to say about it. He was making ***** up, yeah, but at least he had something to say! We'll make him our wise man." - PDAIsAOk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1To me this is more of a metaphor for a government and how it should be run. In this instance the three disciples represent the three socioeconomic levels of our society: The eldest being the most rich, the average being middle-income, and the youngest being the poor. The disciples trying to decide which way to divide up the camels (which in middle eastern antiquity would be considered a form of currency) is a metaphor for different types of governments: free-market capitalism, communism, and socialism. The disciple saying the money should be divided closest to the will's wishes would be the capitalistic approach as this division of funds favors the more wealthy with an average distribution to most people and very little to the lower-class. The disciple who suggested everyone should share the camels is more communistic. And the disciple suggesting selling them and dividing the money accordingly would be socialistic. Having the wise man "die" and another wise man come in to decide how to divide the "camels" is like our president leaving office after 4 or 8 years and a new one coming in to decide just how our government will run and just exactly how the will (constitution) will be interpreted.
- menatas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1pretty simple
the wise man wanted the disciples to find a new wise man
and given the impossible exercise..they found a new wise man - argoff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Get a chain saw, chop the camels up to the proper ratio, burn the scraps.
- argoff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0or .... wait for one of the camels to have a baby, or kill off all the younger people and a few camels, or kill all of them :)
- humanerror, on 04/03/2008, -1/+1Translation:
The secrecy of wisdom the this article is devoted to an astonishing property of human nature. You will not consider with initially, but I' llshow you, who it is the truth. Thus, I say about the incapacity of the majority of the people so that they see the manifest things when the these things are very simple. And people who are able to do this, we call the geniuses. For example, only Newton could initially distinguish the law from gravity, in spite of apples were decreased its millenia in front. In general the majority of the intelligent things, inventions, is rather simple - a wheel, Pifagor theorem, selinjako' Sonata Beethoven, k.lp.... for centuries we admire the these people, because of our property for we think of the narrow direction. The people, that qualified that we conceive the world around entirely we call geniuses, in the east are called wise individuals of the old years the wise individuals tested that they develop the possibility of perception with the apostles. For example, a subject started slightly, and the pupil is necessary that observes the changes with a room, or the apostle is necessary that it takes that a text is roughly, of a sentence of. Exist abundance of the enigmas old and puzzles, which goal is which becomes the person so that it thinks of another manner then that it used so that it does it with an everyday life. The famous old wise individuals are also famous that they could solve the problem in an unusual way for the simple people. And the this manner it appears very simple - like genious. And today exist various people, qualified so that they design the world around much broader than the majority of the people. Do you want to really take wise individual differs it from the intelligent person? You allow me so that I offer the test to you it comes with us from an extreme antiquity. More truly not the test, this is a enigma, the answer to which it is very simple. But only the wise person it can answer. If you will untie it, I request you accept my sincere desire. Thus, years of thousands before wise ilikjwme' our which it had three apostles. With desired this one after its death the apostles who found a young person to him wise teacher. Consequently with the will, it was left to the apostles seventeen camels thanks to such directive: divide the camels between the adult, of means in age and newer you as follows: the adult there you leave it will be half -, to calculate on average - third part, and newer - a ninth part. When the teacher dies, and the will was read, the apostles remained stupfiants first with such ana' rmosti the distribution of the property of the teacher. One proposed: "For you be of the Messrs of the camels together", others anazitime' nes councils and spoke then: "we were encouraged to divide in the manner the majority close specified", the third which is encouraged so that it sells the camels and so that it divides the money in accordance with, and the certain examined people, that the will lost the force as its terms cannot be carried out. After one moment the apostles arrived at the conclusion, which with the will of the Mister could exist certain secret direction, and it started to ask everywhere for the person who can solve unsoluble the problems. Spoy they were addressed, nobody it could not help them, until o' toy they met a wise individual. He said: Here with you untie yourself enigma... and the apostles they found the teacher. Repeat - the response to a enigma is rather simple. Try to suppose. I give you 48 hours to untie it. And at 2 days the answer will be published. Desire you good luck.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3If the teacher really was wise, he should have imparted upon them some understanding of how to come to a unified desire as to what to do. And once they are agreed on what they want to do, it doesn't really matter what the old man said to do. They've done it according to precepts the old man laid down and who could really want any more than that.
- lethalpotato, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6what i got out of it:
17 camels total
1/2 to the older
1/3 to the average
1/9 to the youngest
1/2 = 1+2 = 3
1/3 = 1+3 = 4
1/9 = 1+9 = 10
3+4+10 = 17
so 3 to the oldest, 4 to the average and 10 to the youngest
(this solution makes no sense, but what the hell) - adb44, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24So while I think it's nice that he summed up genius in approachable terms, the description of Newton's accomplishment was a bit...abridged. It wasn't like Newton simply walked outside one day and said "Oh...things fall because of gravity!" wiped his hands and cashed in on fame. He invented calculus and described the complex motions of just about every perceivable object with a very small set of rules.
Many things that are not obvious about the world are describable with simple rules--take Maxwell's equations, which govern the propogation of light and other electromagnetic waves. There's 4 pretty simple rules that take pages of math to derive when you know what you're heading towards and I don't want to know how long when you're in the dark. Finally, consider something that is a pillar of civilization and very easily understood: fire. Was capturing fire an act of genius or a stroke of dumb luck related to lightning? Does it matter?
Just because something a solution is simple doesn't mean that it is arrived upon quickly (or can be), and you're not stupid for not seeing it at first glance, and you're not precluded from being a genius if it takes you pages/years of work to arrive upon the rules.- tw0k1ngs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Look at archimedes... simple concept, took him half his life.
Also "genius is simplicity" can obviously not be attributed to fact because it does not account for progression. This statement is full of human error, neglecting the concept of "tasks becomming easier with repetition and understanding" and assuming a very human, and stable rule of "simplicity." (Because the human mind cannot grasp/graph "true" mental progression, so we assign a measurable, unchanging value... easier for the conscious to understand in appeal to the masses)
- tw0k1ngs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Look at archimedes... simple concept, took him half his life.
- tw0k1ngs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I believe the genius comes in realizing that you are all comparing what constitutes a "genius" is being defined by a blogger and his riddle...
- silorats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3just buy another ***** camel...or breed em if you're patient...
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Camel orgy? Now the riddle makes sense..
- quux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ouch. That hurt. :-(
- myser59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is an old riddle, they run across the wise man with a camel. He lends them the camel, the fractions work out evenly, and the camel is left over and returned.
- resplence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10That's a terrible riddle.
- woodsja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14The "wise man" isn't very if what he's trying to say is unintelligible.
- NovusVir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4How barbaric and wasteful, dividing camels in such a way when they could be sold or ridden! I mean really, cutting up poor camels?
- deusdiabolus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The key to the answer involves the man with the solution loaning a camel to the three disciples.
- silentwinter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm dugging this, but not for the reason the author be intendency. ;)
- davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For make the Englishes it to be without skillful. Dugger to you, too, my friend!
- Hepburn82, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I reckon give the disciples 9, 6 and 2 camels each. That way each disciple gets a little more than the fraction assigned to them.
9/17 > 1/2
6/17 > 1/3
2/17 > 1/9
Everyone's a winner!- cherrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's kind of what I figured as well. But my reasoning was a bit different. Basically, the common factor of 2,3, and 9 is 18.
1/9 = 2/18
1/3 = 6/18
1/2 = 9/18
Conveniently adds up to 17.
Though that's kind of what was in the question and is therefore probably wrong.
@snoble
Ah, that's more elegant. Give them a camel and it all works out. - Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That was my first guess too (cherrick's method). So the real lesson here is that, just because a man is wise, doesn't mean he can teach, since this guy had three students who couldn't figure this out working together.
- rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well that's the thing about this riddle - the 2, 6, 9 solution certainly meets the spirit of the wise man's wishes. The younger gets a certain amount, the average-aged man gets 3 times that, and the eldest gets an extra 50% over the average-aged man. But that begs the question: why the hell was this considered a wise man? He was anything but. He took a simple problem, and then phrased it to be impossible. The 2, 6, 9 solution does *not* meet the demands of the wise man - the youngest does not get a ninth of the camels, he gets more than that. So does everyone else. If the wise man wanted the young guy to get x, the middle guy to get 3x.. etc, he should've just said that plainly. And a truly wise man would've left explicit instructions for cases where the numbers don't work out evenly. If this wise man was actually in charge of people at a business, his business would fail. He's an idiot.
- Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, the official solution is pretty clever. The wise man assumed (correctly) that his students would not be able to figure it out without help from another wise man (one with a camel to spare), and anyone who couldn't figure it out wasn't wise enough to be their new teacher. It was a trick question designed to lead them to a new teacher. The fact that they actually get their camels in the end (and in the right proportions) is just a bonus. But you could be forgiven for missing that through the broken english.
- cherrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's kind of what I figured as well. But my reasoning was a bit different. Basically, the common factor of 2,3, and 9 is 18.
- arcrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29SOLUTION: The easiest and most eloquent answer is always the best, just wait 48 hours.
- raskalz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16GENIUS!!!!
- chicbicyclist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Best answer so far.
- raskalz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16GENIUS!!!!
- vesendak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The point of the exercise was to find a new teacher.
- Raider8654, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yes.. I thought that was solution - they wound up finding a "wise" man after all...
- stafunk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4spoiler at http://www.ezsoftech.com/stories/imamali2.asp (scroll down) - hepburn82, you must be a genius :)
- kruisje, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In my opinion the actual solution (adding an extra camel and giving it back afterwards) is pretty lame an should certainly not be considered to be "Mathematical Brilliance"...
After all, the actual solution of 9/17 + 6/17 + 2/17 differs from the proposed proportions 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/9, yielding an incorrect result.
I think this technique could be used in small scale swindling though... It probably is!
- kruisje, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In my opinion the actual solution (adding an extra camel and giving it back afterwards) is pretty lame an should certainly not be considered to be "Mathematical Brilliance"...
- SAE1982, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0You know if you just thought about taking the closest fraction that works which was suggested by some people in the riddle (18) you can get the exact values while still only having 17 camels.
1/2 of 18 = 9
1/3 of 18 = 6
1/9 of 18 = 2
total = 17
Weather I'm right in my answer or not is relevant, but not important. Realizing that this riddle is forcing you to try and think even just a bit outside the box is what matters.
Interesting solution lethalpotato - SAE1982, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0balls.. if i had logged in quicker i could have posted before nepburn... oh well
- snoble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Spoiler:
The solution is if you come upon these disciples you give them a camel. Then they have 18, so the oldest takes 9, the average takes 6, and the youngest takes 2. Leaving one camel left over you take it back. The trick is to see that 1/3+1/9 < 1/2. This is really a dumb puzzle and being able to solve it really doesn't reflect anything.- colouredlights, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How is this addition of a brand new party 'you' at all simple?
- ansonw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I think the answer is:
Here comes the wiseman riding a camel, then they can do the maths now..
one gets 1/2 = (17 + 1) /2 = 9
second one gets 1/3 = 18 / 3 = 6,
third one gets 1/9 = 18 / 9 = 2
Then the wiseman leave with his camel and everyone is happy :D - randovaro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35Solution: First, you blend the camels.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It appears as though you have won a multitude of my internets with that answer. Congratulations.
- SeniorElGuapo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Everyone should digg this article so that Alex and Kevin have to try and read it while drinking on Diggnation.
- illegalcortex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Anyone else get a mental image of Borat reading the article title/summary?
- ssb8mao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Man, why didn't I live a while ago, I could have come up with the simple derivation of the discrete Fourier transformation. Yup, all genius is so simple.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1His whole "genius means simple answers for everything" ***** is unbearable. Simple answers are vague, complex answers are needed for complex problems. Ask Stephen Hawking..
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Ah jeezus, this is a horrific piece of literature. Buried for inanity, a genius would avoid this moron and not bother with the problem at all.
- oOoNyquiloOo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2T.T
The poor grammar... is... bugging the crap out of me!!!
Makes me want to correct it soooo baddddddd- Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm as big a grammar nazi as anyone, but you gotta cut a guy some slack when he's obviously not working in his native language, unless you think you could translate the riddle into perfect chinese.
- manthrax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I logged in to ask for my 3 minutes back....
Nice adds for phentermine, viagra and vikodin on the sidebar.
Who digs this ***** up to front page? They should have their shovel taken away.... - bradwilke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The will states when the teacher dies, the camels are to be divided. The will does not specify which teacher. After finding a new teacher, the camels no longer have to be divided.
- tkambler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Those damn Mongolians knock down my ***** wall!!!
- icejust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0consider that this riddle was set a long time ago in Arabia and its purpose was to give the listener the love of mathematics, and reason more generally. It's not just about camels being divided.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, a whole 48 hours to solve it. I feel like a drooling moron before this magnanimously imperious intellect.
- firmbit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0All you do is round up.
The first disciple gets 9 camels
The second gets 6 camels
The third gets 2 camels
9+6+2=17 - gd96, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0actually , the whole point of the exercise was to help them find a new teacher, the camels are pointless. This is like the finger pointing at the moon, dont mistake one for the other.
- Dialga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Here's the answer:
Alt+F4.- rockorager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I thought that was how you made maps download faster in Starcraft...
- raskalz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LOL! No that one was for Unlimited Weapons in Quake 2 you f00l!!!
- pak314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The wisdom is in realizing this problem has probably been asked before and search Google with the query "17 camels riddle."
- lindee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i'm gonna play their new wise man and say that i'll loan them a camel until they can divide them up equally.
i'm also going to point out that the "wise men" behind this site have a page called "scince" http://artchallengeworld.com/scince.php - piouspunk23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It was never about the camels, its the master's way of getting the students to find a new master that is up to the old one's standards...
- traplist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The answer is the new teacher said ... "" .... if the deciples meet the teacher at the end that means the disciples are dead .... the definition of a disciple is one who spreads the word of another ... aka someone who has had a teacher... so the teacher of the disciples is the man that is already dead, therefore the disciples must have died while searching for some man... The teacher used this as a life long inspiration for the disciples to speak to all men high and low on their opinions, which is how one becomes wise. I thank you for your time. Please tell me i'm wrong and help make another man wise.
- kill4killin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I know many answers have already been given but here is another approach that I thought of and I will laugh if I'm right because I'm rather sure from the other answers that I am not.
17 / 2 = 8.5
17 * .333 = ~5.661
17 * .111 = ~1.9
Total = 16
That being said, The wise man is the one they make teacher and give a camel to so that they can have the even number needed to distribute the rest as per the will. - bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh, here's my thought.
17 camels. The wisest of them takes but one camel. He gives the other two the remaining 16. They get to feed and water them. But because they are three deciples, he get's to use them. Simple. - Phendrana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you have 1/2+1/3+1/9 it accounts for 16 of the 17 camels. The remaining one camel goes to their new teacher.
1/2+1/3+1/9 ~= .94, .94*17 ~= 16 - phvex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1im not really sure what the question of the riddle is...but they went out looking for a wise man before he died. he said to wait until after he died
- bullseyewit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I say, count up all the humps and divide from there
- StormTroopr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I doubt the answer would be just adding then dividing. That's not mathematically safe. 1 / 2 != (1+1) / 2 - 1. You can't just add a number and take it off later whenever you want when multiplication/division is involved.
- StormTroopr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here is my guess.
It is fractions of their ages.
half of highest
third of second
ninth of youngest
20 year old = 10
18 year old = 6
9 year old = 1
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17
- StormTroopr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here is my guess.
- manthrax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's the square root of this apartment!!
- SaxxonPike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Maybe they should provide the story in its native language so someone that didn't have to use an automated translation system could read it. The meaning's lost if the story isn't translated properly.
Either that, or the guy needs to learn some English. - trigger0219, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1terrible article... terrible riddle.... the philosophy of science cannot be so simply summed up like this, if that was even what this crack pot was going for. One example cited! without even a full description of how that is genius.
scientific discoveries come from a few things (via Feyerabend)
1. purposely violating rules or,
2. not knowing the rules
by rules here i mean the basic axioms of the science; because all others can be derived from such rules. Newton clearly removed the basic axiom of the time and rebuilt the work of physics. Godel did the same for areas of mathematics. This is genius; challenging norms and tradition (tradition as in whats bred into the scientist during schooling). This article, on the other hand, is unreadable, unintelligable, unconvincing crap!!! How dare you people digg this, just proves you people are wikipedia heads who believe whatever they read on a blog.
"My intention is not to replace one set of general rules by another such set: my intention is, rather, to convince the reader that all methodologies, even the most obvious ones, have their limits. The best way to show this is to demonstrate the limits and even the irrationality of some rules which she, or he, is likely to regard as basic. (1975, Paul Feyerabend 'Against Method' 32)" - el_taco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I didn't read the article cause it hurt my eyes.
- eburgess4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+09/6/2 is the answer.
Sorry, but this has to be one of the most asinine riddles I’ve ever seen. Without all the “genius” build up and the stupid story, it would be a pretty simple question and answer. I guess if it takes a “genius” to put aside all the irrelevant ***** and get to the real problem, then I guess I qualify as a “genius”.
By the way, if the official “answer” involves another “genius” loaning a camel just so you have the luxury of diving and coming up with whole numbers, that makes the whole riddle even more ridiculous. - TheIrishman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't really see any point to us encouraging others to read this. The grammar is horrible, and it's hard to read in italics. Why bother? I could be proved wrong with some highly profound and genius solution, but I doubt it.
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