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How Scientists Brought Magic Mushrooms Into the Mainstream
newsweek.com — For a time, it seemed that convincing America's premier research institutions to fund or sponsor research on hallucinogenic drugs was nearly impossible. In fact, the recent Journal of Pharmacology study on magic mushroom effects represents a 30-year effort to rebuild legitimate psychedelic research programs from the ashes of 1960.
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- smashingmonkey, on 07/03/2008, -1/+23Om nom nom nom... woah. It really is all good.
- FameMoney, on 07/03/2008, -1/+13The Smurfs are little blue people who live in magic mushrooms. Think about it.
- shutaro, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6...If that's what their houses do, then I wanna see what happens when you eat some Smurfs.
- radiopayola, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3That's the point. They're always at home.
- shutaro, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Have you ever seen the Smurfs? They're always outside walking around and singing and stuff!
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Actually Smurfs aren't blue until you expose them to air a little. But not to worry, they're still as potent as ever if you raise them in methane.
- shutaro, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6...If that's what their houses do, then I wanna see what happens when you eat some Smurfs.
- deathbybearz, on 07/03/2008, -4/+7Supposedly, they're the secret to happiness without causation. Kind of like perpetual energy, but for smiles. See my article here: http://ediblepublic.typepad.com/edible_public/2008 ...
- antipoet, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2I am personally not a big fan of the need to go outside one's self for happiness in any form.
- TheKillDoctor, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5Your hand must be really sore with that attitude.
- itsthebrod, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3I bet you're really fun at parties.
- antipoet, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I'm just saying, why does there have to be some external reason to make us decide we're happy? It's not always easy to remember, but I believe it's true.
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -1/+6Psychedelic drugs are a part of reality. It is those who want to prohibit them that are trying to escape reality.
- Balanced, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1Aren't they a form of defense mechanism?
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3They could be, but not necessarily. These mushrooms are not poisonous or toxic.
Vegetables and fruits use lures to propagate their seeds. Psychedelic mushrooms may be using the same strategy. They want you to eat them, because that's how they spread their spores.
- ZodiacKiller, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5You could make that same statement about any drug. However, I don't see Prozac on your list... Is it not "ethically" sound for a depressed person to alter their reality? How about a schizophrenic, should they stick with the "reality" that's been given to them? What reality is the "right" and "ethical" reality? You've been conditioned to accept anything that's pumped out a pharmaceutical corporation's laboratory, and condemn anything that the government decides is "bad" for you...
How citizens of this country can sit back and let the government incarcerate people for what they decide to put into THEIR OWN bodies, and not consider it the very definition of TOTALITARIANISM, i'll never understand.- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Because then you're a "dirty hippie" scapegoat if you question the government's logic behind the Drug Inquisition.
Sorry to break it to ya, but fascism is having it's day. Maybe it's the ebb and flow of things. It's up to people like you and me to ride it out, holding onto this knowledge, until freedom emerges victorious once again. Don't let the truth fade away. - ptsuk, on 07/03/2008, -7/+1And when you take some substance and go off and kill another person knowingly or not, you would still stick to the idea that its my body i'll put whatever i want in to it whenever i feel like it.
regardless how you THINK certain drugs are harmless doesn't make you any kind of authority on the subject.
Frankly seeing how people abuse alcohol and other legal drugs, putting out yet more substances they can ingest and do as much or more harm with, i think is the point keeping certain drugs illegal vs legal.
not to mention when some dumbass goes to a party and then stacks substances such as coke, alcohol, mary jane, followed by a mushroom or two. - ZodiacKiller, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7Your arguments are so flawed...
First of all, I'd love to see percentage of people who commit homicides because they are under the influence of a substance, COMPARED with the percentage of people who commit homicides that are stone cold sober. Which percentage do you think is monumentally larger?
Let's use your faulty logic for a second and illustrate why it's completely asinine:
"Sharp knives kill thousands upon thousands of people every year, and an even greater number of people are severely wounded and disfigured from stab wounds annually. Because of the number of these incidents and the harm they cause innocent people, in an attempt to prevent likely FUTURE crimes involving sharp knives, the government has decided to take PRE-EMPTIVE action and prohibit the possession of all sharp knives, individuals caught with sharp knives will face criminal charges."
So do we criminalize the possession of sharp knives FOR EVERYONE in an attempt to prevent hypothetical crimes that haven't happend yet? OR...OR...!! Do we prosecute the assholes that actually stab people with knives, when the crime actually happens? What makes more sense here?
I don't have to be an authority on drugs or their severity, If I want to consume a substance, or multiple substances that are totally harmless, or completely deadly, THAT'S MY DECISION, NOT YOURS OR THE GOVERNMENTS!
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Because then you're a "dirty hippie" scapegoat if you question the government's logic behind the Drug Inquisition.
- deathbybearz, on 07/03/2008, -2/+0I would agree with you on pharmaceuticals. They mistakenly save lives that would otherwise perish; other times, they wrongly prolong the lifespans of the elderly. So terrible. The problems with pharmaceuticals and illegal drugs that I am pointing out comes about when you're life is trash for a reason, and to negate your misery and it's reason you use a drug. The government is doing you a favor in this regard, think about it: for example: You hate your father, your mother is a drunk; you're miserable. You take a drug, and you feel better. Practical enough in the eyes of majority, right? your life is garbage, and you LOVE it! the city in which you live eats away at your sanity, stress envelopes your every idea. But, hey, in the least you've got the local liquor to look forward to after your nine to five bout of slavery. The point is this: If you're life is terrible and you need to alter YOUR state of reality for happiness, you're a selfish douche. Only YOUR reality is changed; the world around you has to stare at your pathetic, baby, moron ass. That is why the abuse of drugs, illegal, or pharmaceutical, is unethical.
Keep posted; I'll help you.
http://ediblepublic.typepad.com/edible_public/- flameboy, on 07/04/2008, -0/+41. After a rant like that, you better not be doing anything hypocritical like taking Tylenol. After all, if you have a headache what gives you the right to take a pill and make it go away? That's unethical.
2. You completely neglect the vast majority of psychedelic users who don't use them to get away from their problems, but rather to have new experiences. I am a very happy individual. I have friends, a family, a home, a business, but using mushrooms had a profound effect on my life that has made me appreciate what I have even more. If you think that's unethical, you're crazy.
3. How do you even know which "reality" is the correct one? If somebody is severely depressed and they have no idea why, don't you think maybe it's possible that his currently "reality" is faulty? You do realize our entire brains are chemical right? If a pill can fix a chemical imbalance, how is that unethical? Even certain foods can change our chemical balance and affect our emotions such as coffee and chocolate. Those must be unethical as well?
In conclusion, I think your argument is completely flawed and has very little if any merit. You're definition of "ethical" appears completely based around a fallacy - i.e. the concept that YOU know which "reality" is correct and YOU know when somebody should live or die.
Sorry, but I think people are responsible for their own "reality" and there is nothing ethical or unethical about it.
- flameboy, on 07/04/2008, -0/+41. After a rant like that, you better not be doing anything hypocritical like taking Tylenol. After all, if you have a headache what gives you the right to take a pill and make it go away? That's unethical.
- ZodiacKiller, on 07/04/2008, -0/+4"The problems with pharmaceuticals and illegal drugs that I am pointing out comes about when you're life is trash for a reason, and to negate your misery and it's reason you use a drug. The government is doing you a favor in this regard, think about it: for example: You hate your father, your mother is a drunk; you're miserable. You take a drug, and you feel better. Practical enough in the eyes of majority, right? your life is garbage, and you LOVE it!"
Everyone has their vices and methods of escapism... Some might drink, some might bury themselves in work, some may eat big macs and french fries until they can't fit through their doorway, and increasingly people are immersing themselves in video games to the point of personal destruction. Escapism can be healthy though, that's why people go on "vacations" to temporarily escape their normal 9 to 5 for a period of time, are vacations unethical? Does that make someone a selfish douche for wanting to get away from their normal reality from time to time?
"The point is this: If you're life is terrible and you need to alter YOUR state of reality for happiness, you're a selfish douche. Only YOUR reality is changed; the world around you has to stare at your pathetic, baby, moron ass. That is why the abuse of drugs, illegal, or pharmaceutical, is unethical."
lol.. So you're either an upstanding model citizen, or a junkie turning tricks for crack rocks, there's no in between huh? Not everyone who gets drunk is an alcoholic, and not everyone who uses drugs is a degenerate addict... I don't advocate over indulgence of anything, and I think it's sad when people choose that path, and become unable to stop themselves, however we're supposed to have individual free will regarding our own lives, and if anything is unethical it's legislating peoples decisions for them.
- antipoet, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2I am personally not a big fan of the need to go outside one's self for happiness in any form.
- TomK88, on 07/03/2008, -3/+52Everybody should try them. Truly a experience like no other.
- Albear89, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7AGREED.
- MattB123, on 07/03/2008, -0/+19I'd say most people rather than everybody. Some people can't handle the deconstruction of all the "truths" they formerly believed and they lose it.
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3You mean like everyone currently in power in North America? I know these evil people wouldn't have a fun time using psychedelics, but they'd definitely be the biggest beneficiaries. Maybe we should make it a rite of passage for our leaders. Like someone said in another thread, if all of our current leaders dropped acid, they'd all commit suicide after being confronted with the enormous evil of their actions.
I for one don't want to be led by someone who is a total pussy who reacts with fear to a little mushroom. Why should we let these closed-minded fools rule over us? - ShazadN, on 07/04/2008, -0/+0genius
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3You mean like everyone currently in power in North America? I know these evil people wouldn't have a fun time using psychedelics, but they'd definitely be the biggest beneficiaries. Maybe we should make it a rite of passage for our leaders. Like someone said in another thread, if all of our current leaders dropped acid, they'd all commit suicide after being confronted with the enormous evil of their actions.
- sk8bored8, on 07/03/2008, -2/+23seconded. one of my top 3 life experiences.
- wanderingsun, on 07/03/2008, -2/+20They're magically delicious!!
- WiseWeasel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Ugh, no, they taste like ***** and make me more nauseous each time I taste those things by themselves. Just thinking about the taste makes me queasy. I've found the perfect solution, however: pulverize the mushrooms into a fine powder in an herb grinder, and dump them into an Odwalla Superfood, shake well, and enjoy. You don't taste them one bit, it hits you in about 10 minutes, and seems more intense than eating them whole. .
- wanderingsun, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2I guess I'm a freak, but I like the flavor. They make my teeth ache, though.
- wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I heard that if you mix with acidic liquid you get a better buzz. I took fresh picked and blended them into orange juice. It made a green foamy liquid. Nasty nasty puke your guts out nasty. But just plug your nose and hope the bits of leftover chunks do not make you hurl. I would then chase it down with a beer.
- Tehkeelah, on 07/04/2008, -0/+0They taste like those Jesus eucharist crackers they hand out in church. Not TOO too terrible...
- wanderingsun, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2I guess I'm a freak, but I like the flavor. They make my teeth ache, though.
- WiseWeasel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Ugh, no, they taste like ***** and make me more nauseous each time I taste those things by themselves. Just thinking about the taste makes me queasy. I've found the perfect solution, however: pulverize the mushrooms into a fine powder in an herb grinder, and dump them into an Odwalla Superfood, shake well, and enjoy. You don't taste them one bit, it hits you in about 10 minutes, and seems more intense than eating them whole. .
- skaldicpoet9, on 07/03/2008, -1/+30Mushrooms are something else. I would even venture to say Supernatural. After the first time I tripped I understood why Shaman ingested hallucinogens in ancient times. When you are on mushrooms you are truly between both worlds, the seen and the unseen.
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2I think they have something to do with human evolution. The story of Adam and Eve is an analogy for this.
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Humans_Primates_P ... - kurinten, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1They were definitely my favorite back in the day.
- aidave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2I think they have something to do with human evolution. The story of Adam and Eve is an analogy for this.
- burjzyntski, on 07/03/2008, -1/+8The weather here is practically asking people to trespass and pick them from the cow fields.
Which, by the way, is punishable up to $500 for removing wildlife from a preserved area...
But they're a nice addition to any pasta sauce, so it's worth it to be stealthy :) - WiretapStudios, on 07/03/2008, -3/+17You can't truly understand god or your own spirituality and mortality until you have indulged.
- nodong, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7Yes you can, but its like choosing to hoe a field with a hand trowel instead of a tractor.
- WiretapStudios, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3True, I'm a Buddhist, so I realize what you are saying...
In retrospect, nothing chemical can touch when you reach your deepest spiritual plane through your own internal journey. It's kind of apples and oranges to me though...
- WiretapStudios, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3True, I'm a Buddhist, so I realize what you are saying...
- nodong, on 07/03/2008, -0/+7Yes you can, but its like choosing to hoe a field with a hand trowel instead of a tractor.
- l034me, on 07/03/2008, -3/+5Too bad shrooms make me sick as a dog. Nothing like enlightenment from the floor of a bathroom.
- jeskadubyah, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4try making tea, much less nausea, and kicks in more gently. i barf if i eat them, this alternative is much more agreeable.
- WiseWeasel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1And if you make tea, you DON'T need to eat the solids after they've soaked for a while. The active ingredient(s?) is soluble in water.
Also acceptable is pulverizing them in an herb grinder and dumping them in a smoothie. - RationalXubrnce, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1 Don't fight it, just go barf and in a few minutes you're as right as rain and can enjoy the rest of the trip.
- WiseWeasel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1And if you make tea, you DON'T need to eat the solids after they've soaked for a while. The active ingredient(s?) is soluble in water.
- odinson, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Try making tea next time. My friend suggests green tea and honey.
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Or take an anti-nausea med like Dramamine. I've done this many times with good success, and I have probably the weakest stomach anyone's ever seen.
- jeskadubyah, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4try making tea, much less nausea, and kicks in more gently. i barf if i eat them, this alternative is much more agreeable.
- revjustin2, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Jonesing.
- jamez, on 07/03/2008, -3/+1Id rather pray... syke
- lazerus9, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3John Marcos Allegro
- cissystrut, on 07/03/2008, -3/+25I think these drugs can be useful because they make the user come face-to-face with himself/herself. A bad trip can be a very scary experience, but when a person uses these drugs to overcome their hangups and ignorant concepts of their surroundings, the world becomes a beautiful, fascinating place.
- stizz, on 07/03/2008, -1/+11Usually a bad trip is merely the user confronting something within himself and succumbing to it.
Hallucigenics did more to 'heal' my inner demons than any therapist ever could.- cissystrut, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6That's exactly what I'm talking about. I think the hardest emotion to overcome is fear, and it can be lurking and guiding a person in different areas in their life. I think every human should FEEL the connection of the pattern that surrounds us, where fear (a simple animal instict) becomes silly. I'm pretty sure that's what every ethical teacher (esp. Jesus, Buddha) was getting at... but for now we have to live in a silly, selfish world
- WiseWeasel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Or when they have to deal with authority figures while high (police, parents, landowners, etc.)...
- cissystrut, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6That's exactly what I'm talking about. I think the hardest emotion to overcome is fear, and it can be lurking and guiding a person in different areas in their life. I think every human should FEEL the connection of the pattern that surrounds us, where fear (a simple animal instict) becomes silly. I'm pretty sure that's what every ethical teacher (esp. Jesus, Buddha) was getting at... but for now we have to live in a silly, selfish world
- stizz, on 07/03/2008, -1/+11Usually a bad trip is merely the user confronting something within himself and succumbing to it.
- epicac, on 07/03/2008, -2/+8It gave me this sense that space and time are human constructions that can collapse," says Hayes, 59. "The ultimate reality is something beyond those constructions, and more importantly, everything in the world is connected." --- not making any attempt to hide the fact that the fungus ***** him up for a while.
- woozie, on 07/03/2008, -1/+6Best 25 bucks I ever spent.
- daveluke1, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4I can't believe that mushrooms have been in the news twice in 2 days (or in digg)..
I wanna comment about all my experiences and ***** again... but I left them all here lol
http://digg.com/health/New_Research_Shows_Magic_Mu ... - bleaked, on 07/03/2008, -2/+12"For a time, it seemed that convincing America's premier research institutions to fund or sponsor research on hallucinogenic drugs was nearly impossible. In fact, the recent Journal of Pharmacology study on magic mushroom..."
Yeah, and insisting on calling Psilocybin Mushrooms 'Magic' surely doesn't help it get professional and/or academic acceptance.
Besides that though, these mushrooms and basically every other fungi on the planet hold the answers to all of our social problems, cultural conflicts, and even environmental clean up obstacles. The list of potential answers truly goes on and on when you get into the topic of fungi.
Go listen to a talk given by Terence McKenna, or read his books. If you don't subscribe to what he says, than surely you cannot deny the great Paul Staments. Youtube "6 Ways Mushrooms Can Save the World" for a quick taste of the potential. - seandfeeney, on 07/03/2008, -1/+12this really shows how amazing mushrooms are http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/paul_stamets_on ...
- katierosekills, on 07/03/2008, -3/+4SHROOMS!
- scubachef11, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3Magic Mushrooms are amazing. One of the most educational experiences available on this planet. And they have the potential to be a treatment for cluster headaches :)
- sweeneypng, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2"As Harvard, Johns Hopkins, UCLA and others open their doors to psilocybin, LSD and MDMA (Ecstasy), scientists there are beginning to examine the therapeutic value of these long-maligned molecules." I thought that MDMA was one of the only drugs that was banned outright, as in no research or anything. Am I wrong, or did that change?
- thegoodsteer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1MDMA was also given out by a pharmaceutical company initially, just as LSD was. It's empathogenic properties helped psychiatric patients open up and explore.
- eryximachus, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2All of the drugs you described are Schedule I drugs. They cannot be prescribed by a doctor, but can be acquired for research purposes.
- frequentFlyer, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4I've always wanted to do shrooms. I guess I've just been too chicken. I've never been even mildly curious about any other drug.
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Flyer, I would recommend you muster the courage to do this thing. Please do so with a friend who is experienced and who will not be too f***ed up to hold a conversation with you, as there is a chance the experience could be scary.
Rest assured that you cannot think yourself to death, and write these down to keep in your pocket (they'll make sense):
1. You may just need to burp.
2. Removing clothing in public will attract attention.
3. Amazingly, your appearance has not changed. No one can tell you're tripping unless you tell them.
4. Both are true, both are untrue.
5. If it's unpleasant to think about, put it aside and come back to it later.
6. You are infinite and made of love.
Number 1 is the most important, by far.- wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1hey no peer preasure, you would feel bad if the digger ends up in prison.
- Sporky023, on 10/01/2008, -0/+1I wouldn't feel bad at all, as that would only be the result of his own lack of care. It is VERY possible to break the law and not get caught, especially when you're engaging in a victimless crime.
Fear less. Do more.
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Flyer, I would recommend you muster the courage to do this thing. Please do so with a friend who is experienced and who will not be too f***ed up to hold a conversation with you, as there is a chance the experience could be scary.
- Albear89, on 07/03/2008, -2/+8One of my best trips. We boiled down pasture shrooms for about an hour. The water looked like oil. In that night i saw my girl age old then young... hard open eyetrip.. then the best part. I saw the aztec calander (closed eye visual) flashing and spinning. all parts were spining the circles the designs.. to this day it's still beyond me what gift I was givin for having seen such a beautiful thing, Shrooms... one of God's greatest creations
- wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Yea the shapes and patterns unlike LSD with its wavy, melty visuals. I always wondered why the geometric patterns are so appealing. I was thinking that visuals leading to a free mind would have much more organic flowing visual distortion. But no, it was like tiles on the floor.
- kurinten, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1If you look at nature or matter in general on the molecular level, everything is made up of geometric patterns.
- wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Yea the shapes and patterns unlike LSD with its wavy, melty visuals. I always wondered why the geometric patterns are so appealing. I was thinking that visuals leading to a free mind would have much more organic flowing visual distortion. But no, it was like tiles on the floor.
- rowjimmy, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3lsd >>> psilocybin. in my experience (which is far too much), a mushroom experience resonates from your stomach, an lsd experience from the third eye (meaning that is where you start feeling it first, and where it seems to expand from). to go through life without experiencing both would be like going through life without experiencing love or sex.
- theprogrammer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2I agree with this. In talking to people, I have gathered that there is an emotional, but not necessarily rational, desire to prefer mushrooms because they are "natural." My experience was emphatically that LSD was a cleaner, clearer, more pure experience. YMMV.
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I've always like to put it like so:
Being on mushrooms feels like being in a hot, noisy, dense jungle. Being on LSD feels like sitting atop a bare mountain on a cool, cloudless day.
Both have their place, but LSD is definitely more chill. It also feels more religious/revelatory to me. - wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1LSD is more chill for me as well. Shrooms feel like I have to keep my guard up more you know tight belly, edge of your seat experience.
- whoreable, on 07/03/2008, -7/+3Inaccurate. Mushrooms do not last 8 hours unless you dose again during your trip.
- skaldicpoet9, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Different types of mushrooms have varied durations.
- thegoodsteer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4actually, this is untrue. from dosage to fully come down, it's about 8 hours. the peak is usually around the 1.5 - 2 hour mark, if that's what you're talking about.
- wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1My "A" strain p.c. never lasted more than 5-6 hours with the last two hours being lame. I took a half oz one time that may have been a little longer. Always have a bowl packed and ready I always smoke at the end before I go to sleep.
- RationalXubrnce, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1 I agree, by the 5 hour mark it's pretty much over.
- YoWhatDaFuxUp, on 07/03/2008, -1/+2don't get caught selling them... a Class B felony is 25 to Life
- FLarsen, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1That's just wrong.
The right to put something in your own body should not be a right to be given, but a right not to be taken.
- FLarsen, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1That's just wrong.
- joe8pack, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1CIA and NIDA of course have never had any influence on these matters, its not like there is a national policy to block all research into positive uses for all schedule 1 controlled substances:
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm#Sc ...
or maybe there is come to think of it.
http://www.casacolumbia.org/templates/Home.aspx?ar ...
Joe Califano the Henry Anslinger of the 21st century. - VaporBro, on 07/03/2008, -5/+15To all the people that have never tried it: You probably should try them at least once in your lifetime. I would suggest reading the Trip Reports from Erowid. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Mushroo ... . Read all of the good reports and read all of the bad. Shrooms are to be, above all, absolutely respected. If you take to much you might have much more of a trip then you wanted. I started out at verrrry low dosages (First trip was .5 grams). Never go above 3.5 grams for the sake of tripping to hard. Shrooms are one of the safest drugs you can take, but do NOT overdue it. The dangers of mushrooms are within your own mental stability. . Every psychedelic mushroom is different (Once a 2 gram close-cap cubensis made me trip harder then 3.5 grams did. ) I have tripped probably 10 times so far (Haven't in the past 2 and a half years). I absolutely regard my experiences as being some of the most spiritual uplifting times I have had.
REMEMBER TO GIVE THEM RESPECT! Once my wife and I had a huge fight and decided, when we were done, that we wanted to take our closed cap cubensis. We did, and I cried over 5 hours on my comedown. However; my wife and I have never been closer since that night. We told each other things that we never have told anyone else. I talked to my wife, I talked to the goddess of Earth, I talked to my tapestry, I talked to my Oranges, and I talked to my cat. I also listened...
Know your source, Know your dosage, Know yourself. Safe travels my brothers and sisters.- ePuck, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5Respect the drug is right. Vapor, good comment man.
The key is being open and positive! Be careful and know what you're doing. The days past events can affect your mood while on the drug. It is best to take them if everything is positive in your life and things are coming together, not the opposite. Some batches are much more potent, stronger effects, more visuals etc. If it is your first time you want to do them with someone who you know well and who is experienced or at least take it very easy on the
dosage. woot. - jguy584, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Don't fight it, just go with the flow.
When you fight it you panic, and when you panic things start rapidly spiraling out of control. - RationalXubrnce, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2 Good post you should take at a least a gram, even the first time. .5 and most likely you'll just never get there.
- ePuck, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5Respect the drug is right. Vapor, good comment man.
- mindlessknight, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4If we make Penicillin from fungi then why can't we make our anti-depressants from fungi ?
I'd rather be dealing with people on Psilocybin than on Zoloft or Prozac !!
I mean, God is probably the best Pharmacist .- RationalXubrnce, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1 If you actuallyhad to deal with people on mushrooms and a day to day basis you might take that back. Not that they're bad it's just that they're a pretty heavy drug and cant really be compared to something like an anti depressant.
- republicker, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1@RationalX
If you take a large dose of Zoloft or Prozac you will be in a world of darkness and you will wake up not knowing what you have or have not done. Mushrooms on the other hand, not so much. I wish peopl would quit fanboying these pharma drugs like they are harmless when in fact they are some of the strongest mind altering substances available, and they are given out to people like candy.
- thegoodsteer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3they were beneficial to the ancients, and they are still beneficial to us today.
- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -13/+5Anti-hippie power: Activate!
The active ingredients in most hallucinogens are alkaloids which are most potent in young or new growth: Seeds (LSA, anyone?), shoots, young leaves and stems and fungal carpophores before they drop their spores. The higher concentration in important areas suggest alkaloids evolved as a defense mechanism against predators. The ergot fungus from which LSD was derived is poisonous. We survive most of our experiences with alkaloids because of our relatively large body weight, but any small mammal munching on shrooms, without any adaptations to protect it, would be sure to never eat them again.
So essentially, you're ingesting poison, and there is nothing mythical, spiritual, holy, divine or otherwise special as touted by hippies about poison. It is not a gift from your magic wood nymph Goddess whatever so you can open your eyes and see your spiritual truth. It's much more likely it's just a fluke of nature. Don't make it any more than that.
It can be argued, quite well, that since your brain interprets electrical signals influenced by chemical reactions, then just adding in more chemicals doesn't increase your total perception of reality. You'll see some ***** on shrooms, to be sure, but that doesn't make it real in an objective sense. Remember this when you or anyone else you know starts talking about inter-connecteness or any other "revealed truths" about the world.
Don't listen to hippies talk to you about *****. Listen to scientists. They know what's up and they're usually better at finding objective, intellectually satisfying truths about the universe, and that's what it's all about.- thegoodsteer, on 07/03/2008, -2/+9hahah digg is full of anti-social nihilists sitting in their dark basements...
anything can be a poison, depending on the levels you are ingesting. this "poison" is simply disallowing the re-uptake of serotonin, so you end up pooling it all in your receptors, and serotonin does indeed affect your perception of reality. however, objectivity isn't necessarily the case. you can argue that there is no "true" objectivity. the only grasp of it we have is our current "normal" state of serotonin re-uptake, and even that may not be exactly 100% the same amongst all of us. your definition of objectivity relies upon common consensus of what "reality" actually is.
Did you have a father or grandfather that was in Vietnam, and absolutely abhors the "hippies" and other like-minded individuals? Or are you one of those science students that rely upon the scientific method as a basis of all life? If you're on a quest to achieve such clarity upon objectivity, then one of the first things you will need to do is remove your ignorance.
mushrooms don't cause you to just "see *****". you obviously have NEVER ingested them. most of the experience is thinking. just pure hard critical thinking and analysis. once you start ingesting higher amounts, then you begin to hallucinate.
the morale of the story is, to try them out if you are interested and have conducted enough research to convince yourself that your curiosity must be served.- ptsuk, on 07/03/2008, -3/+2You sir are certainly on some form of drug with the bs your spewing. "just pure hard critical thinking and analysis." that has got to be the biggest crock of *****. Oh you might be doing that "afterward" but certainly not during.
nothing like encouraging other to go off and try illegal substances regardless of any reaction they might have good/bad as there are zero consequences to your "recommendation" via the intertubes. - tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1I've done shrooms like 5 times. They grow 10 minutes from my house. I did drugs and stretched and was a vegetarian for like two years, lol.
Good job you know a little bit about how mushrooms work. Nice! You must be really smart! It doesn't make any sense and it doesn't seem to be making any clear point. I'm going to make a stab in the dark here and say you're trying to claim that it's not -really- a poison. If so you need to address my points about it being an evolutionary adaptation. You're welcome to do so.
You're other arguments about reality are half-baked and here's why, in short:
"your definition of objectivity relies upon common consensus of what "reality" actually is"
Nice. I remember when I was in middle school and talked like this, too. Try thowing in words like "relative" and "giglionomicus".
I did shrooms because I was curious and usually had bad trips but most of my friends didn't. I'm glad I tried them but in the end it's still just a poison and it's nothing special (as in holy, divine, "meant" to be here) unless you make it special. - trumpydumpy, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3@tekproxy
Obviously you have gained nothing valuable out of the shrooms and therefore only see them as a "poison." Yes, they are poisonous and will kill you if you eat a lot of them. You say you usually had bad trips; that's your inability to let go of your ego.
Eating mushrooms is not the same as eating a handful of aspirin, which will poison you much quicker, I'm sure you wouldn't be thinking or seeing the same things.
It's too bad you had bad trips, and didn't receive any insight from mushrooms. Maybe they aren't for you. - tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The wooshing sound over your head is my point. Look up and maybe it will shat upon you like the bird of truth on the new car of Illiteracy.
It's likely a defense mechanism of the mushroom. Isn't that the least bit interesting? Sure it can be useful to people but I just object to people putting special meaning on the existence of mushrooms. There is a perfectly reasonable evolutionary reason for their existence! Neat, huh?
This is so hilarious because none of you have any idea how much I was into ethnogens. I'll give you a taste: I read every single book on Taoism and Buddhism worth reading. I had a lab and grew/synthed like 10 drugs. I have done and tried many things for several years and experienced a lot of people who thought pot and mushrooms were planted here by God or had some special meaning. They also thought that when they took X or some ***** that the experiences they had revealed TRUTH but it only revealed EXPERIENCES.
I'm actually arguing against a tiny subset of people here, but it's easy to read ***** into what I said. - trumpydumpy, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The wooshing sound over your head is my point. Look up and maybe it will shat upon you like the bird of truth on the new car of Illiteracy."
See, that's your ego. The bad trips were the shrooms trying to destroy it. Obviously it didn't work.
"It's likely a defense mechanism of the mushroom. Isn't that the least bit interesting? Sure it can be useful to people but I just object to people putting special meaning on the existence of mushrooms. There is a perfectly reasonable evolutionary reason for their existence! Neat, huh?"
I think there is a special meaning for the existence of everything. You must be the type that thinks everything exists "just because."
"This is so hilarious because none of you have any idea how much I was into ethnogens. I'll give you a taste: I read every single book on Taoism and Buddhism worth reading. I had a lab and grew/synthed like 10 drugs. I have done and tried many things for several years and experienced a lot of people who thought pot and mushrooms were planted here by God or had some special meaning. They also thought that when they took X or some ***** that the experiences they had revealed TRUTH but it only revealed EXPERIENCES."
Understanding what entheogens and Taoism / Buddhism are all about is not the same as "reading every book" about them. Interestingly you claim to have read every book but not practiced it. If you had, I'm sure you wouldn't have such an inflated ego.
"I had a lab and grew/synthed like 10 drugs."
And this instantly makes you an expert on the psychological effects of drugs? You have already told us you only tripped on shrooms 5 times, and most of them were bad trips. Guess what, I've tripped on shrooms about 5 times and all of them were good trips. I have a hard time believing you grew and "synthed" 10 drugs. Unless one of them was meth, which would explain a lot.
"I have done and tried many things for several years and experienced a lot of people who thought pot and mushrooms were planted here by God or had some special meaning. They also thought that when they took X or some ***** that the experiences they had revealed TRUTH but it only revealed EXPERIENCES."
Can experience not also lead to truth? You seem very intent on proving there is nothing mystical about psychedelics. You must be an Athiest, which is OK. I just find it funny that all the naysayers and non-believers who take psychedelics usually end up having bad trips. Ironically enough, I used to be athiest until I took psychedelics which made me realize that God is all, and all is God. Science can't answer everything, and maybe when you recognize that you will be able to let go of your ego. - wevegotthejazz, on 07/04/2008, -1/+4I'm an atheist/non-believer and I've only had one bad trip in my life, out of about a couple dozen good trips. I don't think your religious/metaphysical beliefs have anything to do with how your trips turn out, I think it's almost all about self actualization, being able to be fully aware of your emotional state and negative irregular impulses. My experience with psychedelics is that it's an amplifier for your subconscious mind, and if your subconscious mind is unhealthy or you aren't in a good mood, you're going to be in for a very destructive experience.
- ptsuk, on 07/03/2008, -3/+2You sir are certainly on some form of drug with the bs your spewing. "just pure hard critical thinking and analysis." that has got to be the biggest crock of *****. Oh you might be doing that "afterward" but certainly not during.
- gigamugged, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3I think you'd enjoy "Forty Signs of Rain" by Kim Stanley Robinson. Reason and analytical/reductionist thinking are amazingly powerful tools for understanding and changing our lives, but they are far from complete; and most astonishingly, provably so in a mathematical sense. Rephrasing Gödel: All consistent axiomatic systems complex enough to reason about themselves (i.e. self-referential) have an infinite number of axioms. How mystical is that? I came from the same mindset you are seemingly trapped in, and I suspect (and hope) you'll grow out of it like I did.
‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.’
P.S. At some point, all the really cool scientists become hippies.- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1You said a lot of words without really making a point. Oh, then you quote some guy... Why?
You must be the worlds most super smart person to tell I'm trapped in a mindset identical to yours in just one single, stupid digg comment, lol. Please train me, master. - gigamugged, on 07/04/2008, -0/+3tekproxy: get back to me in about 25 years, I'll buy you a beer and we'll laugh at the silliness of youth (which is, believe me, wasted on the young). If you do not see the point in what I wrote, you do not yet have the eyes to see. No disrespect, I suspect you will someday... assuming you can marry your skepticism to a sense of awe at the sheer fact of our existence. I freely admit I made some big assumptions about you. The only reason I posted was because you reminded me of me in days gone by, and I thought it was cute. I really do wish you well with all my heart.
- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1You said a lot of words without really making a point. Oh, then you quote some guy... Why?
- Ellipsys, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4Are you going to tell me that opium doesn't have pain relieving properties because that's not what the poppy "intended"? Nobody scientific has ever said that taking hallucinogens will open a pathway to a supreme being, but what it will do (from those that report - I've never taken them myself) is create a chemical reaction to augment your thinking. Did you know that Francis Crick, one of the discoverers of DNA, was high on LSD when he deduced the double-helix design? There are many substances (including alcohol and opiates) that alter our perceptions of reality, that can be used responsibly.
- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1Write a tutorial on how to miss the point. You're an expert.
All the replies so far are people who put their own meaning into my comment. It's very revealing of how you think! It's like taking your clothes off in front of me. Please, continue. - republicker, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2@tekproxy
I bet you sit there with a beer suffocating your brain cells. Defense mechanism? comeon you can do better than that. I hava n idea dont take them and opinions are like assholes.
- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1Write a tutorial on how to miss the point. You're an expert.
- kissaki, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3All scientists worth their salt KNOW the limits of their tools, good examples being Godel and those credited for developing Quantum Mechanics.
Are you claiming the world / universe is not inter-connected? Hah. Or is it simply only acceptable to you if such an idea is expressed and communicated on paper with words and symbols.
You are sitting securely, falsely I might add, in your world of abstract thoughts. Not that they are necessarily incorrect, but rather it is that that you mistake words and symbols for Reality itself.
Take 5g of dried mushrooms, I dare you.- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1Do you have a point or do you just rage against anyone who doesn't like drugs as much as you?
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2@kissaki, regardless of the fact that tekproxy will probably not follow your advice, please do not EVER recommend that a neophyte take 5g of dried mushrooms. 1.5g is plenty for a noob.
@tekproxy: if you don't think psilocybin can enhance cognitive function, please try a game of chess against someone who is tripping lightly (you must be sober) and see how you fare. My money's on them, assuming they know the rules of the game before they dose.
- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -6/+1Please do not tell me to try shrooms. I've done them several times, have grown them myself and researched the ***** out of them. I'm glad I tried them and they really helped me understand some *****, etc.. etc... Thought of a lot of really great things that really did help my life and all that, yadda yadda.
But seriously, it's still poison. Just a naturally evolved defense mechanism. There is no evidence that it was put there by God or any other being. I object to people putting meaning like that into shrooms like it is holy or it's from God or spiritual or reveals some objective truth in reality like how we are all connected. It might make you feel connectedness and it might really help you with your life by illuminating some ***** in your Wisdom-maker, but it is not necessarily true.
Oh and please don't use big words and quote smart people . It confuses me and you're just doing it to sound smarty-pockets and it usually doesn't make a point.
I gave up "truly helpful but not necessarily true" knowledge a while ago in favor of reality, or at least something a lot closer.- kissaki, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Ah, this post has a significantly different tone from the one you originally posted. I don't know why you insist on, in my opinion, over-emphasizing the poison aspect. As other posters noted, poison is not a black/white issue and poisons can be very useful in a medicinal context, as you just admitted in this new post.
Based on what you are saying now, your original post seems disingenuous. You know the potential benefits and are familiar with the experience but proceed to act as though the words you are using, "brain interprets electrical signals influenced by chemical reactions" is the thing itself. As if I could just read that and have the equivalent experience of ingesting the mushroom. - wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Wow you sure are a lot of fun do us a favor and fly back to Vulcan your pointy ear friend must miss you.
The experience doesn't have to come from god in a literal sense. People use the words god and divine when they are attempting to describe ineffable concepts not necessarily actual religious practices. You are concentrating on the physical when we are talking about a mental state.
"Free yourself from internal slavery none but ourselfs can free our minds. Have no fear for atomic energy because none of that can stop a good time."
The physical manifestation has no value it doesn't matter if it is poison or a gift given by god if the experience of living is "real" as only the mental state actually counts, it is the final word. Mushroom strips away logical base and presumptions, turns off the minds filter that makes us miss the confusing or the unimportant. It is a whole new world. - republicker, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2Water to a slug my friend.
- kissaki, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Ah, this post has a significantly different tone from the one you originally posted. I don't know why you insist on, in my opinion, over-emphasizing the poison aspect. As other posters noted, poison is not a black/white issue and poisons can be very useful in a medicinal context, as you just admitted in this new post.
- theprogrammer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3This comment is amazingly naive. "Poison" is not a platonic category. Alcohol can be poison. Water can be poison. This is a non-issue.
Regarding reality and perception - what we regard as reality is filtered, modified, and partly constructed by the brain. Changing brain chemistry can certainly constrict or expand our perception of reality, by the definition of what our reality actually is for practical purposes - namely a construction loosely derived from external reality. - jguy584, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Since tehproxy is an idiot let me clear somethings up:
1. Tehproxy, you obviously don't know much about mushrooms, and whatever you read when you studied them was wrong. You don't trip because you are being poisoned (unlike alcohol and nicotine which are both strong poisons).
2. The "poisionousness" of substances is called there LD50. Its the amount of a substance that it takes to kill a human.
The LD50 of Psylocibin is 250mg/kg or about 17 grams for a 150lb person. The average rec dose is around 10mg
These chemicals are defense mechanisms, but a DM doesn't have to be deadly to be effective. If an animal where to spread it's spores, wouldn't it be better to keep it alive and not eat you then to kill it?
- thegoodsteer, on 07/03/2008, -2/+9hahah digg is full of anti-social nihilists sitting in their dark basements...
- sytrix, on 07/03/2008, -3/+31 up!
- welliwonder, on 07/03/2008, -2/+2shrooms are good for ya, like once a year, great way to relieve stress and think about things deeply (or just trip balls to good music)
growing them is a snap! Just keep very clean, google on how to grow! - itsthebrod, on 07/03/2008, -4/+2Mushrooms are something I really don't have much desire to try. There's the first fact that eating wild mushrooms is extremely dangerous in itself. Eat the wrong (toxic) mushroom and your liver will literally turn to goo, so really you're putting quite a bit of confidence into whoever picked them. I don't even like mushrooms in my food.
I'll just stick to weed and the occasional salvia trip.- azteksogo, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6Actually, shrooms are stupidly easy to grow and part of growing them successfully is proper sterile technique. Not only are the spores legal to buy and own, all you really need to grow them is rice flour/vermiculite or rye/bird seeds and some jars. I almost forgot to mention: if you're buying them from someone chances are they didn't just pick them in some field (which is dangerous, as falsely identified mushrooms can be potentially fatal) and if they did it would be stupid to purchase from them anyway.
- thegoodsteer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5most drug dealers do not pick these mushrooms, you can easily buy a grow kit for about $50 or so, and yield ounces of dried psilocybe mushrooms. it's not worth poisoning their customers since they would lose money or be thrown in jail, so it's not a "go to the woods and find any mushroom" sort of thing.
salvia provides the most depressing and mind-blowing trips ever! - AmericansRevolt, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0actually, if you ever tried growing mushrooms you would know they are INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING to grow. contams contams contams!
- generic0user, on 07/03/2008, -3/+3Who told you your liver turns to goo? You should slap him. Come on man get some knowledge.
- skiner24, on 07/03/2008, -1/+0The government should start marketing them, maybe it will help with the recession they say we are not in.
- Kenzan, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2"In fact, the story of how a small group of scientists worked for decades to revive scientific interest in psychedelic drugs and attract private donors to fill the funding gap left by a skeptical establishment is almost as fascinating as the research itself."
I have just realized my purpose in life:
To amass enough wealth to privately fund research into this.
My only stipulation will be that I must be an active test subject.- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Kenzan, I completely support your purpose in life, and I believe you've probably picked out the best possible purpose a life could have. This is not sarcasm, and I myself have often felt the same way.
Have you considered, however, the fallacies inherent in your line of thinking? Everyone has decided to amass money, and everyone is still stuck where they are. What you need to do is give yourself a specific number: how much money does it take to run, say, one study? Then, once you have that number, instead of committing to amassing it yourself, instead commit to ensuring that the proper amount flows to researchers - i.e. volunteer your time as a fundraiser.
To succeed in our campaign to fully integrate psychedelics into our society, we must use the teachings thereof at every possible juncture. The truth I refer to here is that enormous personal energy, leadership, and charisma can be rallied so long as we have the purest of intentions. YOU can become the channel for this energy, but you first have to free yourself of competing "selfish" motivations and focus your entire being on traveling, connecting with people, and just talking, talking, talking. Sitting in your cubible amassing money just isn't going to do the trick. Forgetting money and going out to talk to people, EVERY SINGLE DAY, will do the trick. Talk to random people. Do what Ghandi did - network network network.
Good luck man.
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Kenzan, I completely support your purpose in life, and I believe you've probably picked out the best possible purpose a life could have. This is not sarcasm, and I myself have often felt the same way.
- trumpydumpy, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Ahah I have that same picture on my debit card. I'm surprised my bank approved the image. They probably didn't even know what they were looking at.
- urinalpoop, on 07/03/2008, -1/+0I can't get over the pretension of some of these responses. Having done LSD and mushrooms, I can say with certainty that it's a hilarious and fun experience*, but if you're reading some sort of religious or spritual significance into it, you're probably a retard.
Also dangerous and not recommended if you have any history of mental illness.- kissaki, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Wow, how authoritarian of you, taking an experience that is entirely subjective and deeming that everyone who does not agree with your conclusion, "not religious or spiritually significant", is a retard. Come off it.
Were the ancient Mexican civilizations retards because of their ritualistic use of mushrooms? Careful answering that now, remember that "retarded" does not equal "practice customs not acceptable to modern culture." How well could you have done precisely predicting the movement of Heavenly bodies at that point in history?
Somehow I doubt you ever took enough mushrooms to experience what's commonly termed a "heroic trip" because I don't see how your mindset and own pretention could have survived. There are really two explanations: 1 you didn't take a significant amount, 2: your dna/genetics doesn't allow for it. In the case of 1, perhaps you should reconsider, in the case of 2, I am sorry, too bad for you.- urinalpoop, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0I don't hold ancient people to the same standard as modern people. What's your excuse?
I've had some serious trips. Luckily for me, I understand the difference between sensory hallucination and metaphysics. - kissaki, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0What's my excuse for what? I bring up ancient people as an example that impressive intellectual and philosophical / religious systems CAN be constructed around a substance which you claim is "retarded" to do so with.
- Sporky023, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2If you understand the "difference" between sensory hallucination and metaphysics, you obviously don't understand either one.
What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can smell, what you can touch, what you can taste and see, then real is merely electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
Urinalpoop (gotta love that name), did you know that there is no physiological difference between a memory of your grandmother's face, and her actual face staring at you? Did you know this is because all of "reality" gets "converted" into neural signals when it "enters" your head? Did you know that "your head", at least what you know of it, is merely a highly-abstracted, deeply hashed mental "icon" of your real head? Did you know your computer screen doesn't exist? Did you know you've never experienced anything other than neural signals? Did you know you don't need any evidence you don't already have before you to know all of these things?
- urinalpoop, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0I don't hold ancient people to the same standard as modern people. What's your excuse?
- theprogrammer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0The nature of the trip depends on the user and the setting. If you didn't have a spiritual experience, it's because of you, not the drug. I would say that if you *aren't* reading deeper significance into it, it's probably because you aren't the sort of person looking for deep significance in general.
- kissaki, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Wow, how authoritarian of you, taking an experience that is entirely subjective and deeming that everyone who does not agree with your conclusion, "not religious or spiritually significant", is a retard. Come off it.
- jburka, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Can anyone provide the actual reference? There is no "Journal of Pharmacology" per se.
- tekproxy, on 07/03/2008, -5/+1I can't wait until most of the internet is older than 15-18...
- wishninja, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2you just are bigoted against people you think might be "hippies". It really doesn't have anything to do with the experience does it? Its about the group you belong to and the people you feel you are told to hate.
- FLarsen, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2So, what knowledge might this wise elder share with this unknowing crowd?
- Albacurkie, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Mushrooms are pretty incredible. While on them everything makes more sense, you become very self aware. I reccomend to anyone who can mentally handle it because going into a bad trip is one of the scariest things you can imagine. Anyway all this mushroom talk is making me craving a nice eigth of spores :)
- AmericansRevolt, on 07/03/2008, -1/+0this has to be the oldest news on digg yet. but i still like mushrooms
- thomleidner, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Shrooms and Sex with someone you love = Nirvana
Shrooms + Sex with someone you don't even know = Nirvana
Shrooms = Nirvana
Sex = Nirvana
Nirvana
nirvana - BuffalOBisoN, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1I've always preferred LSD over mushrooms (although I haven't had either in about 10 years). I know I am in the minority but anyone else feel the same way?
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