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Motherboard wars: Asus threatens to sue Gigabyte, websites

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  • MarkusX, on 05/17/2008, -3/+14Load. Aim. ...and Boot!
  • EmporerTitus, on 05/17/2008, -26/+3Asus sucks now. Greedy jerks.
    • DteK, on 05/17/2008, -1/+9and that is based on some completely unsubstantiated claims by Gigabyte. they did not produce any research that shows Asus is lying, the article even says the power saving is closer to 59% as opposed to the 80% claim by Asus. So it seems like Gigabyte is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
  • superjunaid, on 05/17/2008, -5/+15Why they gotta fight man?! why can't they be friends?
    • cannarymburns, on 05/17/2008, -1/+39last thing we want is for competitors to be friends...
    • irieKEN, on 05/17/2008, -1/+4They are friends; Asus manufactures Gigabyte's boards.

      http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060808PR203.html
    • ilgaz, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Gigabyte is like jealous guy in neighbourhood. They both started around same time and now Asus makes Apple stuff (if not changed), became a very credible laptop brand and has huge prestige among PC builders (especially home).
  • trumpcard, on 05/17/2008, -20/+0Who's ever motherboard is gigabyte reply here.Lets e-unite lets e-party .
  • truspect0r, on 05/17/2008, -26/+1They both suck anyway.
  • sourceholder, on 05/17/2008, -16/+16From my expierence: Gigabyte is much better than Asus. And I've gone through dozens of motherboards.
    • pastaq, on 05/17/2008, -5/+16So, Gigabyte motherboards break then?
    • srg13, on 05/17/2008, -5/+9I have a similar experience (but an admittedly smaller sample size). I built one computer with an Asus board, and have had problems with the chipset fan breaking, voltage fluctuation (although that could have been the PSU...), chipset drivers crashing etc. The next computer I made was a Gigabyte, and it's been totally rock solid.
    • dogson, on 05/17/2008, -3/+10Gigabyte has plenty of problems themself, lately with the p35 intel board, constant reboot loop.
      • htan, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2yep, my first ds3-l did that, exchanged it for this second one and have had no problems since, i haven't even had that latency problem that seems to be plaguing many other gigabyte boards (including other ds3-l's)
    • Paranoidmarvin, on 05/17/2008, -2/+21I think the Gigabyte ones have a nicer PCB colour
    • masamunecyrus, on 05/17/2008, -3/+7That's unfortunate. Though I've never used a Gigabyte motherboard, I've used lots of ASUS motherboards (and am currently using an ASUS laptop). I've always been extremely satisfied since I've never had any trouble and they've always been cheaper than the competition.
    • daza, on 05/17/2008, -0/+13I've used at minimum 5 Gigabyte and 5 ASUS motherboards to build computers and both have had their fair share of issues.

      I find with motherboards there is no hard and fast rule i.e. "ASUS suck, Gigabyte are better". It depends a lot on the northbridge/southbridge and other relevant chipsets on the board.

      My honest opinion - don't keep a close mind when it comes to motherboards. Buy whatever is cheap, recommended and has the feature set you need. Don't spend $50 extra for no reason apart from a brand name, it's all placebo.
      • ShinyDemon, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1You're right. Choose whatever board is right for what you want; I used an ASUS board for socket A and 939, but switched to Abit for my 775 (Intel P35) build -- though I almost got one of the Gigabyte boards. I also have an ASUS notebook right now. I haven't regretted any of my choices; it's all about the research you do before purchasing.
    • shrapnel09, on 05/17/2008, -2/+3I've had the opposite experience. ASUS has always saved the day where Gigabyte failed. I'd depend on the reviews on NewEgg when it comes down to it though.
    • TheWindBlows, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Personally I'm going to have to say it depends on how much your spending on a motherboard.

      Gigabyte does a great job with lower end motherboards (the ones you use to make cheap computers) where as ASUS is more suited in the higher priced motherboards.
    • passedoutghost, on 05/17/2008, -0/+0You're making a sweeping generalisation here. So by that you would also say that the Asus Striker Series of motherboards suck huh? There is no definitive answer. Some Gigabyte motherboards suck as do some of the Asus motherboards.
  • mal1964, on 05/17/2008, -6/+39Gigabyte my Asus.
    • mal1964, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Its most definitely lame!, But fun not mean.
  • timbro1, on 05/17/2008, -13/+40GO ANUS GO!
  • GOVATENT, on 05/17/2008, -8/+3my last board was an intel one. (quad cpu) I had some trouble with the asus quad board.
  • andrew522, on 05/17/2008, -6/+24I like Asus more. In fact, I am on an Asus G1S laptop right now, and love it.
    • jsd8cc, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3Hey, me too. The G1S kicks ass.
    • darkNiGHTS, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1I'm on a ASUS F8Sn-D1 laptop. I absolutely love it, it's the best built laptop in its price range.
    • passedoutghost, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Asus F3JP. Only had a problem with the DVD combo drive (Stupid Mitashi). But Asus was extremely efficient and got it replaced within 3 days.
  • MasterPain, on 05/17/2008, -5/+73At least you can get on gigabytes web site. Ever try downloading anything from asus its like 28k all over again.
    • Genma, on 05/17/2008, -1/+2that's one thing that turns me off of asus, this is something so basic to customer service that could easily be done right, and yet they don't give a *****. how much could it cost them to run a decent webserver or set up a US mirror? getting drivers from them is like pulling teeth, anything you want to find always takes forever and a day. go over to the gb site and it's like night and day, drivers are easy to find and don't take long to download even from the .tw domain, ask them a support question and you'll get a live response asap too.

      as for this whole pr stunt, why would gb lie about something that could be empirically proven. even if you can't id rom data or chip specs you can always measure output and draw. little things like this are making asus look worse and worse over time, these sort of things happen all the time to successful companies that get fat and lazy, they just let marketing take over and start churning out crap. luckily this is a huge diverse market that will eat anyone alive that screws up, it's good to have so many choices.
      • PueSi, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1It's the same story on MSI website, what's wrong with these guys? It's not like they're some small company.
  • dn11, on 05/17/2008, -2/+52they're both good. but oh *****! that's not possible! i'm supposed to throw in some sort of blind meaningless loyalty to a company that makes printed circuit boards! Only thing I can say is - my last Gigabyte board came with higher quality clip style SATA cables, so I guess I should probably become a Gigabyte fanboi now and declare Asus crap. This is going to be fun!
    • ByteGuerilla, on 05/17/2008, -2/+5Absolutely. Just go with what works for you, and what you've had the best experience with. I swear by Western Digital HDDs, but I've heard people swear against them in favour of HDDs they deem more reliable. I've never had a Western Digital drive fail, and I've used age-old Western Digitals to replace downed young Maxtor/Seagate drives, but I would never expect someone who has had differing experiences to switch just on what I say, so I never claim that WD are just more reliable than other manufacturers.

      Similarly I swear by ASUS motherboards. I've had two Gigabyte motherboards blow up on me, never an ASUS, but when I'm building computers for a friend who's always used Gigabyte boards with no problems we buy Gigabyte. Both are great mainboard manufacturers.
    • drpleau, on 05/17/2008, -0/+0ASUS has had top notch products for awhile; but in the last 5 years, Gigabyte has come a long way to becoming one of the best (for motherboards at least).
      Abit, Asus, and Gigabyte: the only MOBOs I buy or suggest to friends.
    • MacTyler, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1It's sad how true you really are. :(
  • Metasquares, on 05/17/2008, -1/+24Best to just get an independent benchmark to verify the 80% efficiency claims. If they're true, Gigabyte has to stop. If not, they can proceed. Simple, really.
    • skamp, on 05/17/2008, -0/+3"Tom’s Hardware will conduct its own independent comparison of the ASUS P5K series and the Gigabyte EP35-DS3L. At this time, we’re still waiting for a response from ASUS that specifically answers the claims we spoke about in the original article."
      http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-gigabyte-mot ...
    • masamunecyrus, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. On one hand, if Gigabyte is correct, and exceedingly large shame on ASUS for first lying, and then trying to cover it up with lawsuits. On the other hand, if ASUS is correct, then Gigabyte lying to the press about a rival's products and slandering them is certainly a circumstance which a lawsuit is perfectly acceptable, if not called for (though suing websites is overboard).

      I've never had bad experiences with either company though, and I like them both pretty well. It'll be interesting to see who's the good guy and who's the bad guy, here.
    • irieKEN, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1This can only lead to one thing: Price drop on P35-DS3L boards!

      P35-DS3L being replaced by the EP35-DS3L board that has the spiffy power management system.
    • Bilabrin, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1From what I read the disputed claim is "about 80%."
      I don't know how someone can get upset about a claim with the modifier "about" tacked in fromt of it because that's subjective which means the claim could mean anything. Since "about" has no mathematical definition then the claim is not incorrect.
  • antonio97b, on 05/17/2008, -8/+14This is the Mother of all Boards!
    Get it?
    I said... (taps mic) The mother of all boards!

    /bad comedy.
  • Mysk, on 05/17/2008, -3/+3This seems to me like Asus has something to hide. Their reaction to threatening to sue any individual is particularly telling in this regard, and it also shows that Asus doesn't understand that you can't plug what's already out there on the 'net.

    Sure, they could mean that they would go after someone who has been stating this 'information' as fact, but where exactly is the limit? When -- in this case, based on them threatening anyone and everyone, I'm more inclined to consider the information to be true -- a review site finds that the board does, in fact, fail to deliver, is Asus going to threaten them with lawsuits as well?

    This is a juvenile response from Asus IMO. Even if it is not true and the board does deliver, there are better ways to respond that would not make themselves look quite so pathetic. This could easily have been turned to their favor by letting their product speak for itself.

    Perhaps that's simply not an option. In which case, you're rather lame Asus.
    • expert01, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1I noticed nothing in their press release that said they would sue websites, just anyone making or spreading rumors.
  • grimward, on 05/17/2008, -4/+6I'm curious why gigabyte decided to put this piece of FUD out there without any results, it's quite puzzling to say the least. And tomshardware writing "FAIL" and such on the graphs just seems like a cheap stunt. There's been quite a lot of discussion regarding tomshardwares neutrality as a page ever since it changed owners, this might be the proverbial nail in their coffin if it turns out to be pure FUD coming from gigabyte. Furthermore, I'm very surprised that tomshardware hasn't done some of their famous testing to see wether these rumors are true or not before publishing this article. .. I'm telling you people, this smells of ***** to me. (and I actually consider tomshardware to be a decent site.. but perhaps I need to reevaluate my opinion?)
  • freeboarder1402, on 05/17/2008, -3/+1epic fail, some one made a div too small for the digg button...lol
  • dycc07, on 05/17/2008, -2/+4My ASUS P4S533 is still going strong after 6+ years, never had a problem with it.
  • Princeamor, on 05/17/2008, -0/+5Wow they are fighting like little kids
  • CobaltBlue, on 05/17/2008, -0/+4As history has shown us, suing website operators is a surefire way to keep negative information off the web. Just ask RIAA, MPAA and Scientology.
  • tehbored, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2They can make all the threats they want, but they have no case here. What Gigabyte did is legal and protected, provided that it is true of course.
  • CaptainHarlock, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Maybe ASUS should send their EPU motherboards to hardware review sites and let them test their claims.
  • BetaFeatures, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Didn't a site already tested Asus Epu and Gigabytes DES?

    http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/4/page_4_te ...

    Seems like Gigabyte DES save more power
  • maticus, on 05/17/2008, -2/+8Does this mean Gigabyte can counter-sue ASUS for having a slow-as-***** website? 6Kb/s for a driver download on my 6Mb cable connection?! Puuuh-leeease.
    • WhipkickeN, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Ive never had an asus board, but i downloaded drivers for my friend a few weeks ago and it took about 10 minutes to download a 4MB network driver. I dont remember ever seeing such slow downloads since the dial up days.
  • Betrayer, on 05/17/2008, -0/+1Stuck in a corner.... they either have to SUE (to prove the accusations arent true) or take a credibility hit!

    question is... will they fix the bios/ power problems before they goto court or will they be using the bios they used when the accusations were made.
  • Dustyb, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2They both need to chill the heck out -- anyone who is smart will do research before they buy a mother board, let the consumer find out if its a lie or not. As far as Gigabyte vs Asus, they both make solid boards, I go between Asus, Gigabyte and MSI I buy whichever is best at the best price, but this little tiff makes me want to avoid those two.
  • AppleGeorge, on 05/17/2008, -2/+1I've only used MSI, ASUS, and ASRock (Which is ASUS), and they've all been some great. I've never used a Gigabyte board, but if they're trying to make a competitor look bad then that's really poor on their part as I've heard nothing but great things from that company. But then again, then stuff happens all the time.
  • ilgaz, on 05/17/2008, -1/+1I can't forget the day I lost my entire motherboard because some idiot webmaster at Giga-Byte pointed BIOS update to wrong file. I actually needed that update since stupid MB was alerting about overheat (Celsius bug I think).
    I moved to Asus and it had a online BIOS updater which does everything automatically and I am speaking about Windows 98 days.
    Guess what Gigabyte invented in those days? DUAL chip BIOS! Yes, instead of pointing to right files or automating it, they make a dual chip bios which will save us (!) from disasters. Wonder which disaster they talked about?
    Gigabyte shouldn't dare to bitch about Asus.
  • invinciblechunk, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1You know, in a world inundated by cheap Taiwanese clone motherboards, the real challenge for a brand like Asus is to differentiate their product from 50 other companies'. They're certainly not the first to resort to gimmicks and snake-oil.
  • Plastic3D, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Just this week I bought a Gigabyte motherboard over an Asus. And I really like my last Asus build.

    The reason I switched was because of a lot of complaints on Newegg about the Asus customer support - that they have a really non-caring and somewhat rude attitude. Let it be known that these manufacturers need to spend more on customer service... it should never be an afterthought.

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