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- zappo1776, on 10/12/2007, -45/+9No need to spend a lot of money. This is how easy it is:
http://digg.com/videos/people/Lightbulb_Vaporizer- VaporBro, on 10/26/2007, -7/+55Lightbulb vaporizers are terrible, and they are unhealthy. Dude I spent $125 on the hands free Vapor Brothers. It treats me VERY well. If I went back, I would buy it again. $125 isn't that much for an amazing machine.
- drewhenson, on 10/12/2007, -31/+9woah, woah, woah. Better taste? Come on now lets keep the facts and beliefs separate or this could turn into a very religion-esque showdown.
- mightyarmenian, on 10/12/2007, -60/+6the Last Objection? marijuana is illegal, and anything illegal is Bad
- shady8x, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1Does this apply to things that used to be illegal?
Next time a black guy sits next to you at the front of the bus, be sure to mention that...
- shady8x, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1Does this apply to things that used to be illegal?
- plnegative1, on 10/12/2007, -34/+21"Vaporizers Destroy the Last Objection to Medical Marijuana"
HAHAHAHA
I thought that said "Vampires Destroy the Last Objection to Medical Marijuana" on first glance.... hahahaha - Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -22/+4Something I remembered...
1st freeze a plastic bottle with water in it and then freeze it...then...cut the bottle in half... and leave the lid side for inhaling..
Get two knifes and warm them both up with a "heat source".. and then stick the mj on one knife while compressing it with the other and inhale through the bottle.... thats one way to vaporize... and its pretty safe... - sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Sorry for the insanely bad website, but here is a vaporizer pipe made by the Toronto Hemp Company (THC).
http://www.dominizer.com/
It works quite well and its only $20 CDN. - akira117, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Two days ago a similar story was on the front page:
http://digg.com/health/Vaporized_marijuana_may_be_easier_on_the_lungs
:7P - bigt8r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20@Ngai
Dude those are KNIFE HITS! COMPLETELY different than Vaporization! Knife hits get you tore up because you're inhaling so much smoke. (And for added effect, take a piece of plastic that will fit snugly inside the plastic bottle, and melt holes in it, and this allows you to put ice between the smoke and your lungs).
Vaporization is heating the bud up just enough to activate and release the THC into the warm air, so you're not really inhaling much smoke. The smoke you do inhale contains a much higher concentration of THC to smoke than, say, a bong hit would when you're completely incinerating it. So, less smoke=better on your lungs+more stonage. - KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6I agree with drew about the taste. The vap tastes like watered-down nuts.
- illt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10dont' get a vaporizor where the heating element touches the bud (glass bulb vaporizers)
Buy one that heats up the air, so when you go to take a hit, the hot air vaporizes the psychoactive chemicals without singing the plant matter.
knife hits when done with hash and kif are basically the same thing.
IF you have quality herb, then yes the taste IS FAR SUPERIOR. If it's *****, then it'll taste *****.
Don't forget, the vapor and air you inhale is still very hot...hot enough to lacerate your aveoli.
to avoid any damage, just orally ingest. - XxXoldsaltXxX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11http://vaporgenie.com
Its a vaporizing pipe, best damn thing i ever bought. - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -20/+2Just say no to drugs
- Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@bigt8r
Thank you for your input... I said what I said because I have friends who do it and I was scared to do it... not knowing the side effects and well... its not like me (normal for anyone) to smoke from knifes...
Thank you :)
Now I know better. - EruLabs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I own a very nice glass on glass vaporizer, but Id still prefer the 3ft AMG glass on glass double chamber :-D
Did I mention it has an ice catcher? Nothing tastes better. Medical Californian too!
Oh, yeah, its legal. but who cares? - ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@drewhenson (#6549293)
Not sure why you are dugg down. If you aren't smoking the whole bud up, you aren't getting the intended flavor. Those other bits that don't burn add to taste. If a certain strain is meant to impart a certain flavor, you aren't going to get it with a vap. This should be obvious, if it's not, please learn to think. - Atom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1vapo's are a good answer for those who INSIST upon ingesting THC strictly through marijuana. If youd like all the affects that marijuana provides without any of the mess, you can look into Marinol. It is a THC concentrate comes in the form of a small pill. You can also invest in edibles. While potent, they do provide a much longer and level high. Purists will always insist on smoking though.
- Philonius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just a note to say thanks to zappo1776 for introducing me to vaporizers - IRL! ;)
Also digging ya back up because I don't think you deserve to be dug down just for mentioning a cheap type of vaporizer. As we know, the method is the crucial point, not the type of vaporizer -- your comment was intended to help those who, like me, have put off buying a vape because they weren't sure if the benefits justified the cost, esp. when talking about the Volcano, e.g. - PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@mightyarmenian
"the Last Objection? marijuana is illegal, and anything illegal is Bad"
Wow, you must have a very simple mind. Anything illegal is bad? Alcohol was illegal for a short period of American History. There was even a constitutional amendment making it illegal. Was it bad for a while but somehow became good, by decree of congress? How does that work? Politicians can make something good or bad by decree?
Marijuana is illegal, but the only thing bad about it is that it is illegal. If it were legal, there would be no social, economic or health repercussions. It is the illegality that causes the problems.
Man, get your head out of your ass and look at reality, not just what you've been spoon-fed all your life.
- ummagummas08, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19I didn't feel as high after I used a vaporizer, maybe it was just me.
- Sp0rAdiC, on 10/12/2007, -14/+13It's a different kind of high, you'll never feel the same as if you were taking huge hits from a bong, but it's better on the lungs and doesn't use as much bud.
- vegascoop, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20It's just you. You might need to use a little more, but you WILL be just as high. Seriously, seriously high...
- Cruelapollo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Since there is no smoke, you probably aren't being deprived of oxygen as badly.
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4I don't get as high off them either.
- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8You should actually get higher if you use a quality vaporizing system. Vaporizing cannabis wastes almost 0% THC, compared to smoking where a lot of it is released into the air.
- mehss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You sure you were using the right amount of heat?
- wafflez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8yea, I've used a volcano on many occasions, and despite all the hype surrounding the fact that it wastes no thc, a bong just gets me exponentially more high.
maybe i just inhale wrongly from the bags. - illt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6bongs, pipes, waterpipes, joints, and vapes all give different highs.
I find bongs to be the most kick in the face straight to the dome type highs, but vapes can be just as powerful, and have an almost body stone feature.
Before you knock it, try out a quality vape with some quality herb.
A good vape bowl gets my brow sweaty and blood pressure going. - Sp0rAdiC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Why is my comment being dugg down? Am I wrong?
- Heembo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5When you take huge bhong hits, you are getting a *carbon* high in addition to a THC high. Moving to vaporizers is a healthier carbon-free way to get a more pure and healthy hit.
- zappo1776, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@sp0radic
No your not wrong. It is different. Heembo is right. Less THC is converted into byproducts that give you a more sleepy buzz. Vaporizers give a more uppity sort of buzz. Also if you hold your hits in until you get a head rush that is from lack of oxygen like Cruelapollo says not from THC.
- purple, on 10/12/2007, -61/+12Medical Marijuana is fine.
It's the kids that come to school, completely baked, that are the problem.
You can't be sure of what you do when you smoke marijuana, and thats why it's bad.- adrenaline33, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33Well I don't think it would be legal for kids to buy, so by that logic alcohol should be prohibited as well.
- gothsquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8I'm going to go ahead and say that making kids go to school if they want to get high and not be there is a problem.
- drewhenson, on 10/12/2007, -29/+1"Well I don't think it would be legal for kids to buy, so by that logic alcohol should be prohibited as well." How often do kids come to school completely wasted though?
- purple, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41@drewhenson
I know of 9th graders that come to class with a water-bottle full of alcohol. - Misaiato, on 10/12/2007, -6/+47There are many of us that know exactly what we're doing the whole time we're high. I won't be as gross in my generalizations as you are being here - there may be certain people who don't know what they're doing - I just haven't met any.
It usually goes like this:
1. Whoa.
2. Heh.
3. ***** I'm hungry
4. ZZZZzzzzz
At least - that's my routine. - babymitch, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5I pay attention twice as more when I go to school "completely baked."
- pianomahnn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35"You can't be sure of what you do when you smoke marijuana, and thats why it's bad."
*****. This sounds like someone who has never smoked and is a product of the War on Drugs. - harrier666, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23Holy *****, you're right. Let's create a world that only contains safe items for kids. No more alcohol, no wine, no marijuana. No sex, for anyone, cuz kids might do it, even if you are married. No tv shows for adults, no books. Kids might watch and / or read them. What age should we limit it at, because I don't think kids under 4 or so should be skateboarding or riding bikes. Let's get rid of that too. And cars? Can you imagine if a kid got in a car and drove??? No more cars. This idea that something should or could be for adults only, and that parents should be responsible for keeping their kids away from adult concepts, is just plain silly.
/s - nipuL, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5Sure you concentrate more, but do you remember any of it?
- shawnz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24@Harrier666
sex is harmful? i was pretty sure it's the entire point of life. - thatsmyaibo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31"I pay attention twice as more when I go to school "completely baked.""
Twice as more huh? Well with grammar like that maybe you should smoke before you post on Digg too. You're not helping your cause and making it difficult to have an intellectual conversation on here. - gormenghast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15For the record when Im buzzed at lecures, everything gets really interesting/awesome and i take really intricate notes
- harrier666, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Oh my god.. I thought the BLEEDING sarcasm in my comment was obvious.... but I guess not.... Come on people.... think.
- KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12You had me until "You can't be sure of what you do when you smoke marijuana." What? You've clearly been smoking crack, not weed.
- xvertigox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"You can't be sure of what you do when you smoke marijuana, and thats why it's bad."
Sounds like you've seen Reefer Madness too many times : For some reason people have this idea that illegal drugs take control of your mind and you're just passive when that's obviously not the case. - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10You obviously have never smoked pot.
DARE has a way of ***** kids up.
You are not unaware of your surroundings or your actions. In some cases, you can be MORE aware.
People try to paint pot like it were some kind of evil that makes you forget who you are and makes you do things that you wouldn't ordinarily do. That's *****. Alcohol is FAR worse in that respect. On almost every point, pot is way better than alcohol. I've done a lot of stupid ***** while I were drunk, but I've never done anything stupid while I was high. I've never forgotten anything, blacked out, passed out, fought, or anything else on pot that one might normally associate with being drunk.
If you wanna talk about kids, I would never advocate just giving it out to any average Joe. That's the compromise of supporting legalization: regulate it like you do tobacco or alcohol. Only let people who are over 18 buy it. - illt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"You can't be sure of what you do when you smoke marijuana, and thats why it's bad." -purple
as my friend says to people who give him ***** and know nothing of the drug except for DARE:
"I'M HIGH NOT STUPID" - rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Harrier666,
See? Sex _IS_ harmful. All people who can't understand irony are a byproduct of it.
- invinciblechunk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44Wait, what? "Carbon monoxide, tar, and particulates" was an objection to marijuana? Says the asshats that huddle outside doorways in the rain to puff on cigarettes?
I thought the objection to marijuana was because it was immoral or because God said not to because we'd all die from reefer madness or whatever.- nodong, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12When you smoke reefer, Dick Cheney and his friends start to seem like they're attempting to institute a fascist Christian American empire. That's why it's bad.
- kigabit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+76The argument's changed over time.
First it was, "Those dirty Mexicans are smoking a new dangerous drug. Marijuana. See, it even sounds Spanish!"
Then it was, "Marijuana will make you totally unable to control yourself... you might just kill someone or yourself!" (ala Reefer Madness).
Then came, "Marijuana will destroy your brain! Smoke it and your brain will become a soupy mushball! *hits egg with frying pan*"
Then: "Marijuana may not be *totally* dangerous in and of itself, but it's a 'gateway' drug. Your children, upon toking for the first time will soon become crack-smoking, smack-injecting tweakers!"
Now: "Marijuana makes you lazy. You sit around on the couch and eat and watch TV. Why aren't you out like all the other upstanding kids becoming the quarterback for your high school, or doing whatever else it is these damn kids do these days?" - purple, on 10/12/2007, -20/+3An objection to medical marijuana.
You don't see anyone smoking a cigarette because they just had stomach surgery. - kigabit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20purple,
No one claims that nicotine has any medical properties (except perhaps as an anxiolytic), while marijuana's been shown to have at *least* several medical properties/uses. - xvertigox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@kigabit
You hit the nail on the head. I'm sure you'll be dugg down for actually knowing what you're talking about when it comes to marijuana prohibition :/ - GiggleStick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@kigabit
Interesting aside, but recent studies have shown a link to nicotine use and a reduction in Alzheimer's onset. Pretty interesting. - darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@kigabit
you hit the nair right on the head with that one; but to be fair, they are kinda right, but so what!? I was gonna ***** around, eat, and play Halo 2 anyways, I might as well enhance the experience. - PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@kigabit,
actually, they are finding medical uses for Nicotine. Namely in alzheimer patients and other neurodegenerative disorders.
The issue isn't whether there are medical uses for pot or nicotine. Anyone who tries to raise that as a defense for recreational use has very poor reasoning skills. If the assertion had any merit, then it would also justify popping percocets or other narcotic pharmies.
If someone wants to use Marijuana recreationally, there really is no supporting evidence to say that it is any worse than alcohol and tobacco. In fact, more evidence suggests it is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, both in terms of health and the effects on society.
- Magnj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13yea...theres all kind of crap in a light bulb you don't want to heat up and inhale.
- tempest993, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2The coating on the inside rinses out, leaving you with just glass.
- TheGrunt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11People should try the new compact fluorescents... Mercury poisoning, anyone?
- sgglynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hope that's sarcasm,,,, You gut and wash the lightbulb before trying to vap that way.... asshat. Second, that's still not that efficient, it's interesting though. But yeah, a quality vap is a healthy way of doing things, if you want to go all out, get a volcano. It's expensive, but durable, you can leave it on safely all day without any problems, and it's extremely clean. Me? i'll just stick to smoking, personally, I like going through the motions, my lungs can take the hit, i stay pretty healthy aside from that
- sgglynn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"People should try the new compact fluorescents... Mercury poisoning, anyone?"
Read the article about using the "lightbulb" method... I say this because you clearly didn't. You're only using a light bulb for it's shape, and durable glass. A CFL is useless in trying to vaporize MJ.
- drinklord, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15But I like the taste of tar.
- jackyyll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Mmmm... drive way.
- SoulRebel23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8The Volcano Vaporizer is really expensive, but it is worth it in my opinion. I spit the cost with a friend, and we trade off keeping it. You can really regulate your high a lot better, it feels cleaner on your lungs, the high isn't as likely to knock you out, and you can save the used material to turn into butter later on. When I don't have the Volcano, I smoke and my tolerance goes up a lot. When I have it, I can use half of what I would normally pack in a bowl and get a higher quality high, and keep my tolerance nice and low.
- xerox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1'Canos are the best.
- galil77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Volcanos are good but I gotta go with the Vapir One, works great and MUCH cheaper plus comes with bags.
- HaMMeReD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I have a volcano too and I am completely happy with it.
The vapir one is a cheap chinese piece of crap though.
It has plastics in the "combustion" chamber, so you are not only vaporizing your wonderful THC but also toxins from the plastic. So it doesn't really alleviate the health concerns like the volcano would, but it would give you the efficiency. - holiday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The VapirOne has a digital quartz heating element, metal screens, and a ceramic ring that collects, maintains heat and distributes it evenly to the choice herbs... plus it has a fan so you can fill a bag if you like! MJ is vaporized at >360 degrees... I can't say when plastics release their chemicals, but I will say that the contact with those is fairly minimal, at least less than a bottle of water ;)
- madjaxvt, on 01/25/2008, -0/+0Definitely worth it! Learning curve can be sharp with all the cleaning and settings. I found some tips and tricks for using my vaporizer here : http://www.volcanotips.com and it helped alot. Also found a link to a phenomenal deal on a Vapir for the "office".
- hobolooter, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8Old news. Crappy post. Vaporizors have been around since I was born. Just get the real issue. Politics suck, just legalize it already. Everyone is sick of pretending they don't toke, they are sick of hearing about ***** health concerns, this is just ridiculous.
- nodong, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Get a job Hobolooter!
- Stimpo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Volcanos are the only way to go! dont waste your money on the others
- nodong, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Some people don't have $500 to blow on a smoking implement.
- arpnuke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Volcanoes are nice, but you absolutely do not have to spend $500 to get a worthwhile vaporizer. $120 bucks will get you an adequate whip style vape. There are bag vaporizers (volcano style) for under $200 that do justice. Sweet, sweet justice 8)
- Stimpo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3And for people saying they dont get as high when you smoke a vape, you are completely wrong. It must have been a ***** vape, a Volcano is a must. Also they preserve weed like crazy b/c there is absolutely none wasted, everything you decide to pack is vaporized...
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"And for people saying they dont get as high when you smoke a vape, you are completely wrong."
"And for those people saying they went into anaphylactic shock when they ate Crunch peanut butter, you are completely wrong."
Keep your stupid, ignorant comments out of my body chemistry!
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"And for people saying they dont get as high when you smoke a vape, you are completely wrong."
- mattxb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5but what about the first objection:
Pharmaceutical companies cant patent it, (and cant even sell a drug that anyone can grow themselves)- spyderfreek2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True, because while you can be prescribed a joint, in many situations its allowed to have 2* plants as well.
I know here in CT there has been a push as of late for it to be legalized for medical use.
And just so everyone realizes this, medical and recreational use are not the same. it will still be illegal to walk around with a dime in your pocket. Unless you cant see where your going because of that glaucoma.
* From what i have read - saifatlast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pharmaceutical companies don't need to sell it, tobacco companies would love to. Of course, since pot is way easier to grow than tobacco, they might not make quite as much money, but it would be great for lazy people.
- adrenaline33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The whole "people would just grow their own, it would be impossible to tax" argument is stupid. I'm sure there would be some current growers who would continue to grow to save money, and maybe some kids depending on high the age limit was set. I would guess that almost everyone would buy it at 7/11, though, just like their beer and cigs. Marijuana is fairly easy to grow, but the type of person who wants to smoke a joint to relax doesn't want to have to plant, monitor, and prepare some plant just to get the fix. The black market weed sold/grown after legalization would almost certainly not outnumber the extra weed sold due to the guaranteed increase in users/average use that would occur when weed was legalized, rendering that point of the anti-legalization argument incorrect.
- spyderfreek2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True, because while you can be prescribed a joint, in many situations its allowed to have 2* plants as well.
- hobolooter, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Also look up Hurricanes if you want a good bong that has a great taste and is healthy.
- willk281, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3and just when u thought it couldn't get any better...
http://www.digg.com/health/Synthetic_Cannabinoid_HU210_More_Potent_than_Weed_Helps_Brain_Cell_Growth - eightynyne, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Obama will legalize it, nobody worry.
- holiday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1will he?
- Phrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its not up to the President. The Controled Substance Act is controled by the FDA, HHS, DEA and a few other government organizations. We also singed a treaty with the UN saying we would keep our CSA in line with theirs but, then again, when have UN treaties meant anything to the US?
I would hope Obama would push hard for more reasonable drug laws given his unprecidented honesty about prior drug use but, don't think that the President can just snap his or her fingers and change the law.
- mozisbored, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24It never ceases to amaze me how society has come to accept alcohol and tobacco as its mainstay intoxicants; these drugs are more brutal, dangerous and deadly then cannabis could ever be. How many stoners go out and start fights, damage property and breach the peace? How have the benefits of hemp been so greatly overlooked in todays modern "health-conscience" society? It's ridiculous.
- hobolooter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Exactly, now why can't we convince the rest of the country?
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2It's crazy isn't it? So crazy you'd almost believe there's a conspiracy against mind-altering substances!
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this stoner dosen't go out period! I get freaked some times when I am high in public.
- bouche, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I've got one of them cheaper vaporizers. It cost about 70 bucks and the only problem is the wait factor. I may have patience, but most people want to get smoking PRONTO! It's like getting into sex and then you gotta put on a condom. It can ruin the mood ;)
- hiPpymIck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3so just how slow is this cheaper vaporizer?
- M0b1u5, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'll toke to that!
- OhNine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8New Political Slogan: I inhaled, but I didn't light it!
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -26/+4I think it is interesting that the submission it talking about medical marijuana but the only people commenting are just your average pothead. Are your lives really that sad that you need a drug to enjoy yourselves?
- hobolooter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Do you really have any business telling us how to live our lives? I'm guessing you masturbate, have sex, and make money to make your life happy. Some kids play World of Warcraft, some people are complete douche bags to everyone they meet. Some people are scum bags, it's none of your business. We all have our reasons for smoking and just because it's not medical doesn't mean anything.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Oh, right, only YOU have the right to tell us how we run OUR lives.
- hobolooter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Welcome to democracy, if I don't like how the government runs something, you better be damn sure I'm gonna try and change it!
- xstarsprinklesx, on 10/12/2007, -16/+0hobolooter, none of those things impair your ability to drive or your general judgement as to what is safe for yourself or others. "To each his own" is not a valid argument for a drug which alters your state of consciousness and basic coordination.
- hobolooter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Very true, yet we allow alcohol which causes thousands of deaths a year. It's called knowing your limits. Also have you ever driven high? If anything it would make you drive slower and pay more attention. I sincerely hope you don't read D.A.R.E.'s website for your information.
- KalvinCoolEdge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5xstarsprinklesx :
You can masturbate while driving without it impairing your ability? You must have practiced that a lot. - xstarsprinklesx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Uh, no. You probably shouldn't be doing that while driving in the first place. You can't wait till you get home? Jeeze.
- Phrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@xstarsprinklesx "none of those things impair your ability to drive or your general judgement as to what is safe for yourself or others."
Sex doesn't impare your ability to drive? You must be a very skilled driver or a very lousy lover. As for impairing the judgement of what is safe, I know plenty of people who's common sense and judgement goes out the window the minute someone they find sexually attractive walks in the room, so they are not so different.
Each to their own does apply when you are in a setting that does not effect the safety of other people. No one here that I have seen is advocating for people to have the ability to get completely blazed and go driving or flying a plane or doing brain surgurey. What I do see are a lot of people that go and do their jobs and think they should have the ability to choose how they enjoy their own lives in thier own homes on their own time. I tend to agree with them.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -18/+7It's called Marinol, potheads. AKA a cannabinoid that offers many of the same benefits of marijuana (increased appetite, decreased nausea and vomiting) without the high. OH, wait, you just want the high legalized. Nevermind.
- maggieliz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Don't be an ass - the "medical marajuana derivitaves" don't work as well as the real thing. Ask anyone with MS (my ex) or anyone with HIV or Cancer.
- grimeygutter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4maggieliz is so right.
Obviously you've never smoked pot or tried Marinol, you cant even compare the two really.
Damn, some people are so ignorant. - Kahnza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And studies have shown that regular weed works better than marinol.
- zappo1776, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@chriskzoo
How do you keep a Marinol pill down if your puking from chemotherapy? It doesn't work. - holiday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2awesome idea... take a plant that grows very well in the majority of environments, needs little support, is easy to harvest, and has a plethora of uses. Then scrap it and allow a pharmaceutical company to create a synthetic version that more than likely, causes more harm than good, and is terribly expensive...
- OneLess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1chriskzoo dugg up because at least the last 9 words were correct.
- Phrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Its called THC, asshat. It is one of the active ingredients in marijuana and the only synthetic ingredient in Marinol. Why is it legal for a multi-billion dollar, multi-national corporation to produce synthetic THC for medical reasons but, its illegal for me to produce natural THC on my own property? Oh thats right. Its because I forgot to give the republicans over $100,000 and the democrats about $20,000 like the makers of Marinol did last year.
- maggieliz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Don't be an ass - the "medical marajuana derivitaves" don't work as well as the real thing. Ask anyone with MS (my ex) or anyone with HIV or Cancer.
- maggieliz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12the unfortunate thing is that this issue isn't so much
1) we can't patent it (drug companies)
2) we need to win the war on drugs( Gvt) or
3) the (insert minority here) will be come more dangerous (Biggots)
it's that pleasure, for pleasure's sake, is rejected by most folks as not worth pursuing
If I want to enjoy myself in the privacy of my own home, and don't plan to leave, I should be able to do whatever I'd like when/how ever I'd like
less Government is better - 0Degrees, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@ chriskzoo - Digg this clown DOWN
Marinol is a synthetic version of ONE cannabinoid found in Cannabis flower - there have been many more than just one discovered. Hence since Marinol delivers only ONE of the many cannabinoid found in Cannabis how can you compare the two? In case you aren't aware: many users of Marinol (especially chemo patients) have complained that Marinol does nothing more than stone you out completely with little to no positive side effects found when consuming Cannabis.
GET REAL. Do you think that all the people who put an end to the prohibition of alcohol did so because they were alcoholics? If not, how can you claim that people who want to put an end to Cannabis prohibition are simply, "potheads," as you put.
Digg this clown way down for misrepresenting the truth and trying to squelch the real principle here: sick or dying people in need of medicine. - mojito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Inhale 'em if you got 'em!
- jesusface, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3I don't care if you people digg me down. I agree with purple in saying that
"Medical Marijuana is fine.
It's the kids that come to school, completely baked, that are the problem.
You can't be sure of what you do when you smoke marijuana, and thats why it's bad."
I actually go to school and friends of mine go to class completely ***** out of their minds. I look down on stoner's. Being a nerd Id rather invest money in saving for my education. Or towards the black macbook that I'm getting next month. So. In closing. why do you smoke pot? If you need to "release" or "relax" grow some balls and stop ***** creating excuses for something that your clearly addicted to. You cant call me a hypocrite because Ive never smoked pot. Also that argument that its a gateway drug is kinda true. Friend of mine started smoking put, then did x, then smoked crack. Now is a crack addict. Hurray for watching your friend ***** up their life. I'm happy that I have a girlfriend that agrees that smoking pot is for *****. I have another idea for the money that you all blow on weed. FEEDING THE STARVING PEOPLE IN AFRICA. I agree with Medical Marijuana use. You don't need weed legalized for it to still be used Medically. So why are you all advocating the legalization of a drug that causes stupid, idiotic kids the ability to take their car and hot box the damn thing while speeding through residential neighborhoods. Excuse me for the anger. Sorry for the anger. My best friend got hit by a stoned driver, she broke her legs. Its nice to see your friend in pain for the simple reason that someone couldn't deal with their "pain" and needed to get high to feel better. Get a trampoline. Their fun and make your pain go away.:)
^^ pardon the spelling errors. I'm too tired to fix them.- TheNepenthe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1We're not asking for weed to be legalized. I would prefer it if it weren't legal. We're asking for it to be decriminalized for the people who -need- it.
Although you have the very narrow minded view of it, at least you can understand the importance of medical marijuana.
Lemme just put it one way on the coping. Tell an alcoholic to stop drinking after a hard day of work and beating on his wife or driving and actually killing a person or more. I'm sorry your friend got hit, but apparently since the driver was stoned, s/he was going slow enough to not kill your friend. People make their own mistakes and you cannot hold everyone who takes the same form of coping accountable. Do you know what I mean? And you can say the same for people doing harder drugs after marijuana. That was THEIR choice and they probably (as I have SEEN in my experience of watching it happen to my friends too) were NOT educated or aware of what the consequences were of taking things as X and crack. But not every person who smokes pot moves on to harder drugs. It's an individuals choice. You probably think it's okay for your parents to have a glass of wine or two after dinner? It's pretty much the same thing with pot smokers. But there ARE the people that take it to the extreme like there are with.. alcoholics.
(This was long enough. I just hope I was clear enough. :D ) - 0Degrees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Stop making vast generalizations about pot because you had this one friend who did this and another who get hit by some stoner. There is a price to liberty and whether or not pot is legal, people will still be doing it at about the same rate either way.
So all the supposed set backs you speak of may still be if pot were legal minus about 10 billion in expenses plus whatever kind of tax revenue could be generated from commercializing hemp along with medicinal and recreational bud. 10 billion plus, if we took some initiative to save 10 billion here and 10 billion there, hey we could probably start subsidizing higher education. But hey, who really cares about that, wasting resources on pot smokers/sellers is way more important than educating our grossly uneducated country now isn't it? - kigabit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4First, I'm sorry for the pain you've been through, seeing other's weaknesses. I can understand why you would be angry, what with the bad personal experiences you've had with the drug. I can see why you would hate it so, and those who choose to use it. Aside from the fact that given capitalist norms someone who chooses to spend money for recreation on marijuana, in the absence of marijuana, would only spend it on some other form of recreation, your arguments reek of vented personal anguish.
In my mind, legalization doesn't necessarily mean de-scheduling marijuana, it includes reducing it from Schedule I (no accepted medical uses) to almost any other schedule, so that those who want it for medical (as opposed to recreational) purposes can obtain it. At the same time, though, you must recognize the recreational appeal of marijuana.
Yes. People do stupid things. Yes. Marijuana likely contributed to your friend getting her legs broken. Given anything potentially, stupid people do stupid things. People cut off their fingers on chopsaws because they don't pay attention. People crash cars all the time because they're drunk or tired. My point is that you can't single marijuana out as a reason people do stupid things. If the drug were legalized, it'd likely be under the same circumstances as alcohol (i.e. no operating heavy machinery, and no legal usage till 18/21).
I strongly believe in the absence of marijuana, the kids who disrespect the learning process, and are unable to handle their personal finances to accommodate its recreational use, would find some other way to ***** up their lives. I have no proof, other than that people who don't use marijuana also somehow get into accidents and break people's legs, or fall into the pit of alcoholism, or fail out of school because the system doesn't work for them.
I'm not a *****, and I smoke marijuana. I'm not going to call you any names, and I'd appreciate the same respect from you. - illt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3i'm sorry your friends are irresponsible and immature
and from your post i can tell you're the same. (well, at least immature)
do some research, try smoking at least a few times before bashing it while doing some serious introspection as well as critical thinking about the world.
you'll have a different view on marijuana. - Smills, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Way to waste your saved money on a macbook...
- Phrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Trampolines are gateway amusement devices. I had a friend who got a trampoline, then he got a diving board for his pool. Next thing I knew he was an avid bungee jumer and ended up killing himself when he tried to do a triple back flip and smashed his brains out on the bottom of a bridge. Then my other friend was crushed when a fat person on a trampoline fell on her. It was horrible.
What kind of looser needs to jump around to have fun anyway? Why don't you grow some balls and admit that you are addicted to jumping and using computers. Can't you just have a fun and relaxing life sitting in a corner of a dark room with no music, television, books or other form of mental simulation like all the normal people?
- TheNepenthe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1We're not asking for weed to be legalized. I would prefer it if it weren't legal. We're asking for it to be decriminalized for the people who -need- it.
- Torsion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The "Clear Head's High"
Vapo till I die. - ZephyrNinety, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3People need to get their facts about weed right. It's not like alcohol which completely ***** up your inhibitions.
- punwin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Were you people born yesterday?
Vaporizers have been around for a fairly long time, and its making Diggs front page now??
Morons. - lebaige, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Ya, this thread completely illustrates how utterly NOT about medical issues medical marijuana is.
- 0Degrees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Wrong. This thread shows how close the mainstream is moving towards ending the prohibition of Cannabis altogether once and for all.
Let's clear some things up:
1. Pot is the number one cash crop of the number one agricultural exporter on Earth (despite millions being spent to control it)
2. Pot has never been proven physically addictive (as alcohol and tobacco have) yet it remains illegal
3. Not one death has been directly attributed to cannabis due to overdose
4. Not one long term effect of using Cannabis has been proven medically
5. Cannabis use and lung cancer (nor any other cancer) has not been linked
6. Cannabis has actually been proven effective for many medicinal applications
7. No negative side effective, other than short term, has ever been medically proven (and even the short term effects are debatable within the medical community)
I would recommend tools such as yourself refer to this link:
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6798
Have a nice day, keep on ridin' that bandwagon. - punwin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10degrees, as hard as you try, you're not a ***** Information booth.
"Lets clear somethings up" ...lol I IS EXPERT- 0Degrees, on 03/31/2008, -0/+1You are clearly dumb.
- 0Degrees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Wrong. This thread shows how close the mainstream is moving towards ending the prohibition of Cannabis altogether once and for all.
- jschlitzer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Wanna get high??? Take a gravity bong hit....talk about smooooth.....
- Indienights, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've been looking to get a vaporizer. Can anyone make recommendations (preferably the best "high" for the buck)?
- illt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1vapor bros. or "warez" equivalents like vaporbox.
just don't get anything that has the heating element actually in physical ocntact with the bud. - HaMMeReD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have a volcano and love it, but expensive.
Try to stay away from plastic in the parts where air and bud mix since they can release toxins and warp with time.
Also apparently ceramic heating elements are better then aluminum even, but that's just getting downright picky. - Nightstalk3rs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I have the Vapir One digital vaporizer, and it cost me around $200 at the time. Honestly, I would have liked to have gotten the Volcano, but I don't know if it'd be worth that much of a price boost, which is around $300 more than the Vapir One cost. The Vapir One does the job very well for the price, plus it comes with bags, which is nice. You can also go to your local hardware store and get screens for the "herb" disc instead of shelling out the rip-off price for their "special" stainless screens.
"Indeed, agreed proceed to smoke weed"
- Snoop Dogg - "Murder was the Case"
- illt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1vapor bros. or "warez" equivalents like vaporbox.
- matthewdestroys, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0DUH!!! I've been smokin out of a vaporizer for years! They're just now figuring this out??
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Last objection?
When Penicillin was discovered, they didn't suggest everyone out there grow their own mold.
Marijuana isn't medicine. If you want a medicine made from it, that's fine. There is research underway.
But medicine (in the US at least) is carefully controlled and measured, they don't just burn a plant.- jubilee123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2boring
- 0Degrees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If a substance helps ease side effects, it can be considered a medicine as far as I'm concerned. Who are you to tell a chemo patient that just burning that plant isn't a medicine despite it being, for many in chemo, their only way to function somewhat normally (considering the circumstance of enduring lethal poisoning).
- cyne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0i will admit this isnt very recent news but o well still relevent. best vapos ive seen are vapir. they can be pricey but they can run on ac or battery. very small and portable.
http://www.vapir.com - UncleBadTouch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Its true that vaporizers provide a much much cleaner/healthier high. The fact of the matter is though, marijuana is 100% less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol. This unjustified prohibition has gone on long enough! Last I checked, America was supposed to be a FREE country. The fact that victimless crimes are still considered crimes is beyond me. The government needs to open their eyes.
- gfair, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I would suggest that an even healthier option exists - make tea out of the marijuana and vaporize the tea. Just like vaporizing alcohol is becoming huge now. As an alternative, you could drink the bud tea, but then you get a stomach high instead of the usual, so vaporizing is the next step.
Just a suggestion. With luck, they will legalize marijuana some day, and then we can all do whatever we please. I'd go for the tea option, being a green tea drinker already. National 420 day anyone? Lots of good ideas coming out of the marijuana crowd these days. - SwiftJ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm sure it's still bad because...umm...somebody said it was. Somebody who has never used drugs before (not counting benadryl, robitussin, keflex, cipro, pneumovax, flu vaccine, aspirin, bactrim, flexeril, valium, or any other drug) could be in real danger here.
- Sendss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The real problem this country has with cannabis is that no one can patent it.
Drug companies can't profit off it and it's a better alternative than a lot of other medicines.
Marinol is an attempt to patent cannabis and as the article states... it's just not as good as mother natures version.- PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Same with aspirin. White Willow Bark will relieve headaches, thin the blood, etc, better than aspirin, without the risk of stomach ulcers and the other problems associated with aspirin (like tinnitus). Bayer couldn't risk bottling something other companies could just as easily bottle and compete against him with, so he spent a little time making a synthetic version he could patent and have a monopoly on for at least a limited time, so he could make big money, and build up a giant pharmaceutical empire.
If you read up on all the uses of marijuana, not just medicinal, but in industrial processes, paper, textiles, feed, fuel, it affects quite a few vested interests in quite a few industries. With a vested interest in keeping it illegal, it's no wonder there are so many misinformed people who blindly believe that it is evil, immoral, dangerous, or whatever other crazy ideas have filled their heads.
- PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Same with aspirin. White Willow Bark will relieve headaches, thin the blood, etc, better than aspirin, without the risk of stomach ulcers and the other problems associated with aspirin (like tinnitus). Bayer couldn't risk bottling something other companies could just as easily bottle and compete against him with, so he spent a little time making a synthetic version he could patent and have a monopoly on for at least a limited time, so he could make big money, and build up a giant pharmaceutical empire.
- livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't know about y'all.. but I'll stick to the Dutch Masters. That ***** lasts long and tastes great too.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/mundi420/blunt%20rolling/How-ToRollABlunt017.jpg - redbone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I haven't smoked pot in about 5 or 6 years. But the vaporizers look interesting for tobacco use, too. Maybe I'll pick one up sometime.
There's also some brand of vaporizer cigarettes out there called "Eclipse." I tried one at my local smoke shop. It was a strange experience, not like smoking a regular cigarette at all. Oh, and a pack costs about six bucks. - CMOSLogic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There never was an objection of anyone to marijuana except government hype lunatics'.
Legalize pot now. - Ma5t3r_Chi3f, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"The children that comment on these marijuana articles are hilarious.
If you're over 22 years old and you smoke weed then you've failed at life.
And if you're under 22 and you smoke, then you've set yourself up to fail. Pretty simple." ~ MoralCompass
Me:
24/m, just turned 24
Bachelors of Science in Computer Science
Sr. Executive Support Analyst
78,000/year
Buying my first apartment complex (4 units, first time buyer)
Smoke weed daily... yea, I would say that I am pretty much a failure. Somebody please kill me. Lol. MoralCompass is a wiener- PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2people that say that sort of ***** have to believe that sort of ***** to get through a day in their miserable little lives.
I'm 37. I've smoked pot, quite heavily at times, since I was 17. I quit college to start my first business (software development), sold it for $1.5 million after 3 years, took a 4 year vacation, started up another business, sold it for $3 million after 2 years, took a corporate job at a big name company for 5 years, and now I own several franchise restaurants and just cash checks from the profits for a living. I don't even manage them, I just own them. But that's because I'm a lazy, pot smoking loser. I own my home, my car is paid off (a mercedes E320), and I travel all over the world and experience different cultures and learn about my world.
There are successful people who smoke pot. There are failures who smoke pot. There are successful people who have never touched a mind altering substance, and there are failures in that group as well. People that cannot make that distinction may or may not be failures in life, but intellectually, they are the biggest losers.
I think television creates more intellectually dim people than smoking pot could ever possibly create. Anyone who watches TV other than to see the news and maybe watch one or two half hour shows a week is rotting their brains. Pot smokers tend to think a lot, they tend to work ideas through in their heads and like to learn and expand their minds. TV watchers tend to zone out and end up being filled with twisted logic and distorted views of the world.
- PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2people that say that sort of ***** have to believe that sort of ***** to get through a day in their miserable little lives.
- popothebright, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why is this article trying to pretend that this is current/breaking news.
Vaporizers have been around for decades. - justintocomment, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0digg to all the dugg downs for ingnorance
Actual movie made by the Feds in the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4 - darny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the "pharmacies" in california sell all kinds of food products and the like that allow you to ingest the THC instead of smoking it. No need for vaporizers. According to a reliable source, they even have listerine pocket strip-like delivery method. how awesome is that??
- technol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My personal vaporizer of choice is the Volcano Vaporizer, I've personally owned two and they have been the best purchases that I have yet to make! You can find out more about them and also purchase them here.. http://www.volcanovapors.com/
- lampajoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1What kind of stoners are running digg???
- professir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gore Vidal - Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace - p 78:
"Although drugs are 'inmoral' and must be kept from the young, thousands of schools pressure parents to give the drug Ritalin to any lively child who may, sensibly, show signs of boredom in his classroom. Ritalin renders the child docile if not comatose. Side effects? 'Stunted growth, facial tics, agitation and agression, insomnia, appetite loss, headaches, stomach pains and seizures.' Marijuana would be far less harmful."
Why are chemical remedies considered more appropriate, in Western soiecty, than herbal?!?! Pharms can do some serious damage... herbs are natural and have been used/studied for a much longer time. Perhaps some side effects of herbs are unwanted, but at least you know what your getting yourself into. - RichStradler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0You can smoke it, make brownies, put in a nebulizer or stick it in your arm with a patch... but it doesn't change the fact that your a pot head and a drug addict.
BTW: Hemlock and nightshade are all natural substances too. I think you can even get the organic variety... I wouldn't recommend taking though.- meshman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You wouldn't be a drinker, would you?
- Philonius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've smoked daily for almost twenty-two years -- and I still know the difference between your and you're.
- PhilLesh69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@spacedreamer
You need to update your knowledge a little bit from what you learned in High School health class. Marijuana is not addictive, therefore someone who smokes pot cannot be a drug addict. Richard Nixon even ordered a study on Marijuana that he had to suppress because the findings turned out to be a little too favorable and not in line with the government's "position". You are referring to a political position, not scientific fact. It is non-addictive, although it can be habit forming, and it does not affect the brain in any measurable way, short term or long term, other than during intoxication.
The scary thing, I guess, is that people who smoke pot are the first to see through a lot of the ***** that passes for reality these days, that poor followers never quite wake up to.
- meshman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You wouldn't be a drinker, would you?
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