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- BuzzDiggity, on 02/22/2008, -4/+13who is the jack posting about their health conditions on their fbook page? ...
- codywhat, on 02/22/2008, -0/+21drinking, sleeping around, pulling off crazy stunts are all health hazards...probably plenty of that on facebook
- TheTaoOfBill, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1And that's the thing about facebook. You can't NOT put those pictures up because even if you don't someone might tag you in them and they wind up on facebook anyway. It's hard to avoid.
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0Actually you can, its called UNTAG
I do it all the time - tymme, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Just don't be an idiot... problem solved.
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0Actually you can, its called UNTAG
- TheTaoOfBill, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1And that's the thing about facebook. You can't NOT put those pictures up because even if you don't someone might tag you in them and they wind up on facebook anyway. It's hard to avoid.
- iceman0113, on 02/22/2008, -0/+7Yup, adverse selection at its best. The more the insurers know about you, about how you take risks and such, the higher they can charge a premium to you. You're not necessarily posting stuff about yourself on facebook, but pictures of you, your friends uploaded which shows what risks you take and how much you drink, smoke, etc. Even with privacy on, I bet with enough money, facebook will release your info to any insurance group that wants it.
- CTK14A, on 02/22/2008, -1/+10Exactly. Whose facebook is completely free of 'leverage'? My friend's life was temporarily ruined after facebook photos of him were printed in political campaign literature. (Dopey move, for sure.)
By the way, I've had BC/BS of NJ as my insurer, and boy are they ruthless bastards. Their coverage of their customers--or the carefully calculated lack thereof--reminds me of having a deadbeat dad.- dondara, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Yeah, heaven forbid they give you what you are paying for. You'd think looking for loopholes to screw people out of what they are paying for would be illegal. Only in America!
- slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Well while you might pay in more than you get out and so do 20 other people, it only takes one person who gets ill to negate all of your possitive cash flow to the company. They know what they are doing
- CTK14A, on 02/22/2008, -1/+10Exactly. Whose facebook is completely free of 'leverage'? My friend's life was temporarily ruined after facebook photos of him were printed in political campaign literature. (Dopey move, for sure.)
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 02/22/2008, -6/+2Just wait until government in charge of it, then the feds will think its their business too.
- brufleth, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3Way to fail at being scary.
In most unified health care systems it is the same coverage for everyone regardless of life style, weight, drinking, smoking, etc. That's one of those things you and your friends like to use AGAINST it remember?
And to counter the point that all those people actively destroying their health would make costs higher I'd like to point to every single other health care system on earth. They all cost less than US citizens are already paying.- slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -4/+1Yet when somebody gets really sick they come here for healthcare, makes ya think doesnt it?
- SammyJr, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2No, they don't. No one who isn't rich can afford American health care out of pocket.
- brufleth, on 02/25/2008, -0/+1SammyJr is correct and beat me to it. Many old or ill people will actually avoid coming to the US for fear of incurring high medical expenses.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Which is exactly why the Fed will suddenly have financial interest in regulating EVERY aspect of our lives that involves our health. Which is everything and anything. Way to fail at thinking this through. Liberals and universal health care are what a shiny object next to a crocodile is to a 5 year old.
And what are they getting for those lower costs? Here is a sample: http://digg.com/health/Advances_in_Medical_Technol ...- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1bad link, here is the right one:
http://digg.com/health/Advances_in_Medical_Technol ...
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1bad link, here is the right one:
- slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -4/+1Yet when somebody gets really sick they come here for healthcare, makes ya think doesnt it?
- brufleth, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3Way to fail at being scary.
- codywhat, on 02/22/2008, -0/+21drinking, sleeping around, pulling off crazy stunts are all health hazards...probably plenty of that on facebook
- Motivaaator, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6Well, if you're going to post the stuff publicly the of course it can serve as evidence. Still VERY freakin' scary.
- seattlerock, on 02/22/2008, -0/+21Well soon Google will just allow them to search your health history.
- ligius, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3Actually that's contrary to what has happened - Google has rejected the FBI request to give them millions of search requests performed by users. They are working towards ensuring no one complains about privacy. Still, you will never be safe from prying (authorized?) eyes.
"Prodded by the criticism, Google last year introduced a new system that purges people's search records after 18 months. In a show of its privacy commitment, Google also successfully rebuffed the U.S. Justice Department's demand to examine millions of its users' search requests in a court battle two years ago."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080221/D8UUN0100 ... - geniuslocimusic, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Actually the HIPAA law prevents that, at least for domestic servers. However, if you "voluntarily" offer up this info to the world, you'd have a tougher case proving that you are a victim and not a contributor to your own plight.
- ligius, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3Actually that's contrary to what has happened - Google has rejected the FBI request to give them millions of search requests performed by users. They are working towards ensuring no one complains about privacy. Still, you will never be safe from prying (authorized?) eyes.
- deviouskoopa, on 02/22/2008, -1/+10Because people are dumb enough to post pictures of themselves consuming large amounts of alcohol and then attempting to ride a bicycle down a flight of stairs or similar activities. Dumb pictures = great evidence.
- MattB123, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3True, but what if the activity is something you don't think is dangerous but the insurer thinks it is?
If I post a picture of me skiing (a generally healthy activity) could that then be used to deny me coverage because they consider it dangerous?
What if you have a condition you didn't even know you had but they notice a sign of it in an old photo of you and then deny you due to a pre-existing condition, even thought you didn't know you had it? - DarkDx, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1What if, let's say, I post a video of me "drunk" and riding a car in a dangerous way and it was all acted. The insurance company couldn't tell if it was fake and it would deny the insurance beacuse of it. This just plain sucks.
- MattB123, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3True, but what if the activity is something you don't think is dangerous but the insurer thinks it is?
- SmooveO, on 02/22/2008, -1/+17One thing my facebook profile has prevented me from doing: getting laid.
- Spikeli27, on 02/22/2008, -1/+7thats not facebook's fault lol...
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -2/+0If you havent gotten laid because of facebook why the hell do you even have it?
Here is a hint use the poke feature on a girl you want to sleep with.
- Zervas, on 02/22/2008, -4/+6That money doesn't come from nowhere. The sad truth is, keeping your cutter from being covered probably saved a real person's life.
- insomniac8400, on 02/22/2008, -2/+3It comes from the premiums the covered pay. But I would agree that self inflicted problems shouldn't be covered by insurance. It would be the same as getting a million dollar life insurance policy than killing yourself the next day. No insurance company should be paying out for someone who refuses to eat, throws up after eating, or cuts themselves up.
- lickmylovepump, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6that is complete *****. perfectly healthy people don't need insurance as much as people whose health (physical, mental) is ***** up. self-inflicted? do you think that anorexic women don't eat for health reasons? it's because they are ***** up mentally. if you think it's all of their fault that they are ***** up mentally, maybe read the DSM-IVTR sometime. read a book about it sometime--open your mind. maybe they were told they were fat all their life by their parents, siblings. people generally don't chose to be ***** up. people who are in their right mind don't starve themselves or binge and purge. they also don't cut their body up because they have a healthy mind. that is the kind of thinking that people had about mentally ill persons in the 1600s. read about what they used to do to people. split their heads open to relieve the pressure, which was the 'cause' of their problems. now we know a little bit more about chemical imbalances, and mental illness. i'm not advocating the use of prozac every time people get their poor little feelings hurt, but a lifetime of abuse, whether it be mental, physical, verbal, etc., can cause severe adjustment problems.
- oldhick, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Right, so smoking related illnesses should be covered? Or which self-inflicted problems do you classify as "covered" and which ones don't you. Give me the good answers smart guy. Cause plenty of Docs can point to genetic dispositions for smoking addictions, as well as socially derived mental issues.
- unjustend, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Sometimes I wish I still smoked.
- slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2At one point or another they chose to be belimic. They may have felt pressured into it, but they made the choice to throw up after eating, it may have become an addiction later, but i dont feel bad for them. Same thing with smokers, compulsive gamblers and crack heads, they all chose to start, the fact they cant end it came from a choice they made.
- oldhick, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Exactly, health-care is expensive, bullets are cheap! Welcome to Oldhicks clinic for the damned. I accept anyone who's been turned away from the medical establishment. If you are in chronic pain with no hope of help, you've come to the right place. You can choose from hollow-points, slugs, and even tracers (if you want to follow the light, its the newest trend). Don't be put out to pasture and left to die in pain alone and untreated. At Oldhicks clinic for the damned you can go out in style for a moderately low price. For additional fees we'll even throw you a party and get you liquored up so you can go out with a "bang"!
- Ah the future of healthcare, we have so much to look forward to. Enjoy your weekend peoples!
- oldhick, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Exactly, health-care is expensive, bullets are cheap! Welcome to Oldhicks clinic for the damned. I accept anyone who's been turned away from the medical establishment. If you are in chronic pain with no hope of help, you've come to the right place. You can choose from hollow-points, slugs, and even tracers (if you want to follow the light, its the newest trend). Don't be put out to pasture and left to die in pain alone and untreated. At Oldhicks clinic for the damned you can go out in style for a moderately low price. For additional fees we'll even throw you a party and get you liquored up so you can go out with a "bang"!
- oldhick, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Right, so smoking related illnesses should be covered? Or which self-inflicted problems do you classify as "covered" and which ones don't you. Give me the good answers smart guy. Cause plenty of Docs can point to genetic dispositions for smoking addictions, as well as socially derived mental issues.
- lickmylovepump, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6that is complete *****. perfectly healthy people don't need insurance as much as people whose health (physical, mental) is ***** up. self-inflicted? do you think that anorexic women don't eat for health reasons? it's because they are ***** up mentally. if you think it's all of their fault that they are ***** up mentally, maybe read the DSM-IVTR sometime. read a book about it sometime--open your mind. maybe they were told they were fat all their life by their parents, siblings. people generally don't chose to be ***** up. people who are in their right mind don't starve themselves or binge and purge. they also don't cut their body up because they have a healthy mind. that is the kind of thinking that people had about mentally ill persons in the 1600s. read about what they used to do to people. split their heads open to relieve the pressure, which was the 'cause' of their problems. now we know a little bit more about chemical imbalances, and mental illness. i'm not advocating the use of prozac every time people get their poor little feelings hurt, but a lifetime of abuse, whether it be mental, physical, verbal, etc., can cause severe adjustment problems.
- lickmylovepump, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3medication for the mentally ill can add up to hundreds of dollars a month. then there are doctors visits, counselor visits, the list goes on. why do you think so many mentally ill people end up on the streets? it's not cause the sidewalks look cool when a person is having a psychotic break from reality. it's because they can't pay their bills because they can't afford their meds. also it's because they don't think they need medication, or they don't like the side effects, because there isn't enough people to work with them to take their meds. and of course, there are many other reasons people end up on the streets, but mental illness and the inability to put the meds in their mouth are two main reasons. self-inflicted? humans don't generally like pain much, whether it's mental or physical.
- smackhero, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1so people who have pre-existing medical conditions and are thus seen as liabilities by insurance companies are not real people?
if health insurance companies only want to give coverage to people who are unlikely to need health insurance payouts, then maybe we shouldn't be leaving medical care coverage to private for-profit corporations?- slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1I have explained this before, the reason there is the pre-existing condition clause is for people who went all their lives without insurance, then find out they have cancer and try and sign up. It isnt fair to the rest of us who have been putting out money into the community pot to have somebody who hasnt ever paid in to take a large chunk of it.
- thisiscomfy, on 02/22/2008, -1/+0First: LOL @ 'Real People,'
Second: A good percent of mental illness is biologically based, even if it's the result of environment it technically is also still a biological problem in the end and treatment is still needed. People are in the habit of separating mental illness from other illness, as if everyone is automatically on the 'mentally healthy,' default; and then suddenly choose later in life to be sick. To think of mental illness in that light is a bit silly, as illness is disorder, it's symptomatic of something that went wrong, and something that with treatment has the possibility to be fixed. I can see why it would seem easy to discount mentally ill people, as admitting to the fact that their illness might be outside their control, or symptom of a dysfunction with their brain is also admitting that personality is in someway 'mechanical.' which seems to be a hard notion for a lot of people to accept. It also is a scary prospect, that someday anyone could just 'lose it,' because their brains tell them to do so ... which isn't really unheard of.
Anyway, case in point: Mental illness is in fact a real illness that should be treated.
Also, not treating a cutter isn't going to save anyone but the insurance companies a pile of money.
- insomniac8400, on 02/22/2008, -2/+3It comes from the premiums the covered pay. But I would agree that self inflicted problems shouldn't be covered by insurance. It would be the same as getting a million dollar life insurance policy than killing yourself the next day. No insurance company should be paying out for someone who refuses to eat, throws up after eating, or cuts themselves up.
- smacksaw, on 02/22/2008, -1/+22I'm sorry. You can't have antibiotics for your crotch rot or Zovirax for your herpes because we've looked at your Facebook and found you to be a complete slut/man-whore.
Sincerely,
No-fun insurance co.- troye, on 02/22/2008, -3/+2Your post could be American's future if the court does not vote correctly.
- beauley, on 02/22/2008, -15/+4You won't need a Facebook personal profile posting if Hillary Clinton is elected President. Check this out:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/discover-and-imagine-ro ...- insomniac8400, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1It's a great idea in theory, but our current system will ensure that such a database will be heavily abused. It would be nice to have a standard for a smart card(or other portable storage device) with health info on it that can only be decrypted with your fingerprint or a family/friends finger. That means you are holding onto the info and your finger or a trusted persons finger are the only ways to read or update it. It definitely would be cool to always have a copy of your own records.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2It could double as National ID.......
- typicalusername, on 02/22/2008, -5/+3Did you just ***** bring Ronpaul spam in this post? Ug, I can't wait till this election is over so you people can shut the ***** up!
- nkleffman, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4Sorry, but people won't be shutting up after the election. This isn't and has never been about Ron Paul the man, it's about his message, the message of following the Constitution, limited government, sounds money, a non-interventionist foreign policy, and personal responsibility. Ron Paul the man was just the rallying point, but his message will live on to annoy you for many years to come.
- typicalusername, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1I do not understand how you peoples comments are not burried into oblivion...
- nkleffman, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4Sorry, but people won't be shutting up after the election. This isn't and has never been about Ron Paul the man, it's about his message, the message of following the Constitution, limited government, sounds money, a non-interventionist foreign policy, and personal responsibility. Ron Paul the man was just the rallying point, but his message will live on to annoy you for many years to come.
- insomniac8400, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1It's a great idea in theory, but our current system will ensure that such a database will be heavily abused. It would be nice to have a standard for a smart card(or other portable storage device) with health info on it that can only be decrypted with your fingerprint or a family/friends finger. That means you are holding onto the info and your finger or a trusted persons finger are the only ways to read or update it. It definitely would be cool to always have a copy of your own records.
- Sub7, on 02/22/2008, -13/+4If you're dumb enough to post your own name and picute on the net you deserve every ***** trying to screw money out of you.
- stonedthot, on 02/22/2008, -0/+12What's next? Finding a hair, or a glass you drank from in public and using it to genetically profile you? By the same logic, if its in the public sphere then its fair game..
And by the way, its not always peoples own fault that pictures of them appear on bebo or facebook. You can't take down pictures other people put up, though you can untag them from your own profile in facebook, they are still there to be looked at. I hate those sobre ***** at parties that love to take pictures of drunk people then post them up, not thinking for one second that an employer might see them, or the press for that matter.- Woolis, on 02/22/2008, -4/+1somehow i don't think that your Gattaca scenario is next
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -2/+0Actually you can untag photos of yourself
It really isnt that big of a deal- bagelmaster, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Employers seem to disagree. Although it should be illegal for them to conduct myspace, facebook, and whatever other ***** social things there are out there to decide in the employment process.
- Typhoon2009, on 02/22/2008, -3/+3Why Facebook users want to set their profiles to private
- sk11, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Although we don't have to worry about health insurance companies, we still have the situation whereby employers could find material that employees wouldn't want them to see.
- frishack, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Here's a thought. Behave in a way that is appropriate for anyone in your life to see!
- DarkDx, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1You suck. i hope you die in any of these 5 ways: http://digg.com/movies/Top_5_Goriest_Movie_Moments
- frishack, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Here's a thought. Behave in a way that is appropriate for anyone in your life to see!
- greenblob, on 02/22/2008, -1/+5Anything can prevent you from getting health insurance.
- HalBSure, on 02/22/2008, -0/+7Especially getting sick.
- ohiomama, on 02/22/2008, -0/+6damn. i guess i should stop posting pictures of me acquiring various STDs.
- dondara, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Or at least sell them so you can pay for your own medical treatment.
- thisiscomfy, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Link Please. Thanks.
- iloveazngurlzs, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3I guess Insurance Comps run profile checks on 26+ year olds to see their wild partying and saucy young girls
- josegutz, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1You mean "Fake" saucy young girls?
- DermDoc, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4Just wrong -- insurers now using Facebook to exploit people. By the way, call me if you ever want to do something about those baggy eyes you got there.
- Superfreak77, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1I have rotating facebook profiles. since they nuked my first one, I just go and make more with fake names. -Oh look!, Mark Whalberger has a medical condition!.
Stupid facebook police!, look what you make people do. - threepio, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2I thought they just wanted to be my friends!
They don't want to be my friends? *sniffle* - geniuslocimusic, on 02/22/2008, -2/+2People still don't realize (care) that they are voluntarily jeopardizing their rights under the HIPAA privacy laws by distributing this info in the public domain. It's like posting videos of yourself drag racing on Main St. and your car insurance company seeing them.
This is just the beginning too...just imagine who might be out there archiving all this :)- DarkDx, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1But what -if- I post a fake video, saying it's me but it's actually another guy. You know, I'm completely against this.
- josegutz, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2They want to see how many times you've been Hoduken'd, Bitch Slapped, or bitten by Zombies...it's a health concern.
- Felectrode, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Or Rickrolled.
- PrettyPinkLilly, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0Next thing you know, you won't be able to get health insurance for jay walking. (Because of the chances of getting hit by a car).
- andrew2good4u, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1That is why you create an alias. YOU find people and people can't find you
- etsung, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Well, I think the author just got denied coverage with this blog post. The excuse would probably be "mental sickness".
- BuzzFriendly, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Lesson here is clear. Don't post private information about yourself on the Internet unless your willing to have that information made just as public as a sign on the side of the road. It is unfortunate that we must learn our lessons the hard way.
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0You post it on the internet IT IS PUBLIC
- cJw314, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1your != you're
- BuzzFriendly, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0Dugg down for grammar police behavior.
- dingleberry, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3Once you post something to the internet it is no longer yours and cannot be taken back (in most cases).
- FredFredrickson, on 02/22/2008, -0/+6Can your Facebook / Myspace page prevent you from getting health insurance? Maybe.
Can it prevent you from getting a job? Definitely. Seen it happen. Careful what you post on your pages, people - employers are always tempted to look you up and see just how drunk you like to get during the week!- frishack, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2what idiot has their profile set to publicly allow any moron to browse it? Are there still people this stupid out there?
- cJw314, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2I was thinking the same thing; I declare shenanigans.
I have heard, however, of employers demanding a 'friend invite' to your facebook page as a precondition of employment. -.-- DarkDx, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2I would just tell them to ***** off. Then hack their profiles and photoshop pictures of him with gay men.
- cJw314, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2I was thinking the same thing; I declare shenanigans.
- slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2What i do on tuesday morning before i get to the office is my personal business, captin morgan and captin cruch is awsome
- cJw314, on 02/26/2008, -0/+1Maybe you should crack open a copy of Webster's while you're at it.
- frishack, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2what idiot has their profile set to publicly allow any moron to browse it? Are there still people this stupid out there?
- eDmeds, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0So, guys, think twice before posting here:) Actually I admit that most online writing isn't just moderated by the owners.
- obxjdt, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Why would anyone use their real name with facebook/myspace to begin with???
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -1/+0Why wouldnt they? It is possible to not post stupid things.
- obxjdt, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1So I guess your name is Tweekster???
If you won't use it here, why would you use it on facebook/myspace???
"It is possible to not post stupid things."
Evidently, it's not possible for you....
- obxjdt, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1So I guess your name is Tweekster???
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -1/+0Why wouldnt they? It is possible to not post stupid things.
- Tweekster, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0You can untag photos of yourself
- kake2k, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0untagging is not the same as removing, though
- Kalimotxo, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Health care is expensive. Health insurance companies want to apply the same principles that car insurance companies use. Been in an accident? Your rates go up. Been smoking lately? Your rates go up. It is statistically driven, and it works. It sucks, but it works.
Want health care costs to decrease? Stop suing doctors. They spend too much money carrying malpractice insurance, and even when they win a case, they actually lose because it is prohibitively expensive to go to court. Doctors know who will sue them and who wont. Those they think will sue them, receive many more expensive tests to cover their ass later if something goes wrong and they need to go to court.
Stop suing doctors - your choices are: Trust them and you might get better, or don't do anything and get worse.
Think about it, if they paid less in insurance, they could lower their rates. They lower their rates, health insurance companies pay less for your health care. Insurance companies pay less, your premiums are reduced.
Are there cases of gross negligence? Yes. But suing someone who attempted to help, and it didn't work doesn't solve the problem. It makes it worse for everyone else. - vofuse, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3A lot of the current generation will probably regret putting so much of their information online so freely. Just as many college students posted on Usenet in the 80s without foreseeing the Internet and Google Groups, and now having their embarrassing posts still available for the world to see.
- mcduckov, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Yeah but in fairness to people who posted dumb stuff to Usenet, it wasn't immediately clear that everything posted would be stored forever.
In 2008 it is just stupid not to realize that everything you do online can, and maybe will, be used against you. By the way, you can actually delete Usenet posts from Google groups if you don't mind telling a few white lies. You could at least get rid of the most incriminating. I often wonder how much of the google group archive would vanish if people were allowed to delete the entire posting history for an email address.
- mcduckov, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Yeah but in fairness to people who posted dumb stuff to Usenet, it wasn't immediately clear that everything posted would be stored forever.
- dudley9, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0http://www.genericsmed.com/
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