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Flash on Linux no longer breaks webpages
blogs.adobe.com — "There's a new beta for Flash Player 10 (Astro) available for Windows, Mac, and -- you guessed it -- Linux." Drop-down menus, like the one on Adobe's webpages, can now properly overlay Flash animations in both Firefox and Opera. There's also better camera support, better language support and speed and stability improvements.
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- dburanen, on 07/02/2008, -2/+73Test 1: Try to watch a fullscreen video with compiz.
Verdict: It's not broken anymore!- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5it sort of is when you minimize the video after full screening you have to scroll the page for the video to continue.
Beside such this new flash player finally has some needed fixes.- podgey22, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Or click on the page.
- jamesdew, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4nooo how will I continue with such a usability crippling bug
- Aupajo, on 07/04/2008, -2/+1Crippling usability? ON LINUX?! Say it ain't so... :)
- podgey22, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Fullscreen performance is better - but it's still really wobbly here @1920*1200
- Fritzel, on 07/03/2008, -0/+29Stop dragging it around the screen while watching it ^^
- roystgnr, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5It's still broken, just not as much.
Start a Hulu video, hit the "fullscreen" button. At 1920x1080, even my Q6600+Geforce8800 still has somewhat choppy playback and horizontal "tearing" lines.
Is there something wrong with my system or with flash playback in general? No:
Start a Hulu video, hit the "pop out" button, hit F11 to make the popped out Firefox window go fullscreen. 1920x1080 is now smooth as butter.
The Flash people know this is still a bug (I only tried the popout/F11 trick after someone else described exactly the same behavior on an Adobe bug tracking entry), and it's still an annoying bug (Hulu has that "pop out" button, but many video sites only offer embedded and fullscreen options), so here's hoping they finally fix it soon. - ElbertF, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Test 2: 25 YouTube movies on a single pages. No crash!
What the hell happened, did Adobe see the light? - thevoiceless, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Wait, are you serious?
I really hope so, because Flash has been pissing me off - yuanzhoulu, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1***** eh!!! i can now browse all the websites i've been wanting to browse.
- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5it sort of is when you minimize the video after full screening you have to scroll the page for the video to continue.
- DeviateSeptum, on 07/02/2008, -2/+33The previous release was causing FF3 to crash about once every 2 hours. Hopefully it's more stable.
- geoken, on 07/03/2008, -7/+4Are you an Ubuntu user? If so you may want to direct some of your blame at Pulse Audio.
- IAmCuteKitty, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Oh.
- PhailQuail, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5I'm fairly certain the problem existed before pulseaudio was added, but It might not of been as bad.
- Fergy, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7Ubuntu choose to use Pulse Audio so any problems with it are Ubuntu's fault.
- thevoiceless, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Installing the latest (well, before this release came out) Flash fixed it for me, so it seemed to be a Flash problem
- podgey22, on 07/03/2008, -2/+6Install it then go to http://www.bbc.co.uk
Stability rules and this crashes 100% of the time on there because of wmode transparency on their clock there. Not cool.- mickstephenson, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5I blocked that stupid clock with adblock as soon as they added it, I have one on my desktop and so does everyone else thank you very much Mr Beeb.
- vertexoflife, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Works fine for me...
- FutureGuy, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5Flash causes browsers to crash even on Windows, its a piece of junk. hopefully new found competition from MS would inspire them to fix it.
- thejart, on 07/03/2008, -1/+4m$ creating competition?!? well, i'll be damned, you're right.
- geoken, on 07/03/2008, -7/+4Are you an Ubuntu user? If so you may want to direct some of your blame at Pulse Audio.
- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+31We need to thank adobe for finally addressing this issue if we would like them to continue supporting linux platforms and any others we would like on issuess such as this and possibly improving the linux flash player as good or even better than the one for windows.
- bleaked, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3Though I am thankful, I still don't believe we need to thank them for supporting the Linux platform. Do you feel that Mac users should be thanking adobe for support of OSX? Probably not. This is because it is a serious platform, with a real market associated with it. The Linux platform is no different. There are plenty of potential consumers using Linux every day and for adobe to just ignore this market will only hurt themselves.
So, if anything, adobe and every other business which uses flash to sell and promote their products and services should be thanking themselves for finally reaching this market.- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Arrogance and pride can be the fall of many great things. Just because you think company should thank themselves for accomplishing something like this do you think a company will and even if they do I am sure everyone would agree it's much more to be thanked by someone else than to be thank yourself. Yes, linux is serious platform with a growing userbase on it, but there are things that need to be adapted into linux for it to gain momentum a strong flash player is one of those because of how much flash is used across the web.
Now, tell me would you like to spend your time doing for someone who is being arrogant and completely inconsiderate of everything you do consistantly demanding more and not thanking you at all for your efforts? Most people would agree that they would prefer someone is much more considerate.
Even if linux is a strong platform arrogance, ignorance to improvements, pride (elitism), and even incosideration can hold it back and possibly destroy it. Realise that Linux is a great and growing platform and i will admit it can be slapped down and crumble not by company, even one like microsoft, but by its own user and programmer network. Remember that damage and corruption from the inside is always more dangerous and harder to recover from than what can be done externally.
- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Arrogance and pride can be the fall of many great things. Just because you think company should thank themselves for accomplishing something like this do you think a company will and even if they do I am sure everyone would agree it's much more to be thanked by someone else than to be thank yourself. Yes, linux is serious platform with a growing userbase on it, but there are things that need to be adapted into linux for it to gain momentum a strong flash player is one of those because of how much flash is used across the web.
- bleaked, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3Though I am thankful, I still don't believe we need to thank them for supporting the Linux platform. Do you feel that Mac users should be thanking adobe for support of OSX? Probably not. This is because it is a serious platform, with a real market associated with it. The Linux platform is no different. There are plenty of potential consumers using Linux every day and for adobe to just ignore this market will only hurt themselves.
- cenarta, on 07/03/2008, -3/+59Still no 64 bit release! aaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh!
(the 32 bit plugin wrapper workaround is a major cause of instability for me)- kdesu, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Yeah, it really sucks when it crashes.
Another thing you could try is installing the 32 bit version of your browser, and then the 32 bit plug-ins normally. That way, you get flash and java working. - PhailQuail, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Nah, its not the wrapper, its just insanely bugged, crashes every 3 youtube videos on my 32-bit laptop.
- bogos, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1With the OpenScreen Project, the community is allowed to create it's own 64 Bit Flash Player since the swf, flv and f4v licenses were removed.
- jdhore1, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1If i've been reading the GNOME Planet correctly, it sounds like swfdec is ready for primetime and works quite well. Here's a secret though: nspluginwrapper is actually a good thing...When flash wants to cause the whole browser to crash, it won't because nspluginwrapper basically keeps flash chrooted/jailed.
- zonk3r, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1You need less bits. 64 isn't working for you.
- kdesu, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Yeah, it really sucks when it crashes.
- Edogz, on 07/03/2008, -0/+15Wow, nice ;). I couldn't see a lot of website's menus due to lack of transparency, or flash elements would hide under advertisements or page elements and I'd have to disable css to see anything.
I'll give this a try... Thanks Adobe for considering Linux users! - mcmlxxii, on 07/03/2008, -3/+11But it's still as jerky as hell.
- 4DFX, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6Does this version work with nspluginwrapper yet?
- Dracker, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3No. See the comments on the original article. The plugin failed to work in 64 bit konqueror, opera, firefox's 32 bit plugin wrappers
- falafelkiosken, on 07/03/2008, -4/+12everyone is happy except rms
- zohaibusman, on 07/03/2008, -8/+6Linux has a huge reputation to consider so its a good turn from Adobe Inc.
- IAmCuteKitty, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1
- IAmCuteKitty, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1*****
- someguy92, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3wtf?
- sathia, on 07/03/2008, -5/+18I wonder what piece of crap is the software of the flash player if in - 6 (six) - years they couldn't port it to 64 bit.
i'm happy for these little upgrades but they are hogging my machine because of the nspluginwrapper- benbfree, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1Ummm... install a 32-bit OS.
- toastjam, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2The point is you shouldn't have to.
No native 64-bit flash is about the only thing holding me back from going full 64-bit linux myself.
- toastjam, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2The point is you shouldn't have to.
- ReallyDave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/linux_unix/You_can_help_get_64_bit ...
- benbfree, on 07/03/2008, -4/+1Ummm... install a 32-bit OS.
- aladrin, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5I've been pretty pleased with version 9, especially compared to past versions. I'm glad to see they have continued to keep Linux in the works for their new versions as well. I'm especially happy to hear about the dropdown menus thing being fixed.
I'm gonna pass on the pre-release versions, but I'm very much looking forward to v10 being released. - trenchfever, on 07/03/2008, -4/+3News travels pretty slowly these days.
- sx66gns, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Hell yea , Thanks.
- PhailQuail, on 07/03/2008, -2/+5Does it still crash Firefox?
- podgey22, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5Yes. They've fixed some issues but the wmode thing (the "point" of this release) is a crashtastrophe. You can't use many sites at all because of new bugs now.
- jjpertusch, on 07/03/2008, -1/+10oh ***** yes. i now the internet isn't flash, but when you're living with a constantly crashing browser you realize how widespread it is.
- waspbr, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3now all we need is a java plugin for 64 bit systems and we are sorted
- ReallyDave, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1OpenJdk includes the 64-bit browser plugin from GCJ, with full compatibility.
- waspbr, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2openjdk is nice and it is going to work well 90% of the time , but it still has some issues with some websites. Since sun decided to make its java opensource, I expect that a solution to that problem should come around soon.
- saketome, on 07/03/2008, -9/+1It's not flash I have a problem with, it's DivX.. ******* sucks.
- dood, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3What the ***** does ******* mean?
- saketome, on 07/04/2008, -1/+0It means work it out for yourself because it ain't hard when you try.
- dood, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3What the ***** does ******* mean?
- netferret, on 07/03/2008, -14/+4Like the way all the linux fanboys kept this one in the dark, lol.
- CrackyJSquirrel, on 07/03/2008, -2/+10?? Failed trolling attempt ??
- myranttoyou, on 07/03/2008, -2/+4Exactly, every little Windows problem gets screamed at the top of their lungs.... This, well, you just hear how Linux has gotten so easy to install and use.
- Synyk, on 07/04/2008, -1/+1yea because Windows is ***** hard to install. right guys? right? lol@IE, ***** bill gate$ ? digg me up? PLEASE?
- terrorpin, on 07/03/2008, -0/+8Flash has never broken anything on my Ubuntu machines, but the transparency on the clock on the BBC website works properly now.
- jamesdew, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Ye I am also wondering what everyone is talking about. I run Ubuntu on my eeePC and have never had any problems with flash.
- marnaq, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2When I close the last Flash instance there like a 25% chance of hanging Firefox/Opera/Epiphany. I'm using the latest Flash 9 version. It's sound related.
Bug report with 21 duplicates, 250 comments:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/ ... - bj1989, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1But it did on mine! (64 bit ubuntu)
- Avian00, on 07/03/2008, -5/+9What a grim title... "Something on Linux no longer breaks things!"
But in all seriousness, great news! - employeeno5, on 07/03/2008, -1/+28Flash for Linux has been a large contributor to the wider adoption of Linux desktops.
I also think that more proprietary companies like Adobe should recognize a that Linux is platform it's worth their time to support. Sure most Linux users prefer open source, but Flash is great example of how many users don't mind proprietary code running on their systems. They can make an educated choice as to what they want, proprietary or not, based on their own needs/wants.
However, I still think it's a shame the web is so hung up on a proprietary format, regardless of platform. It's not good for anyone, never mind open source adherents. In fact the only entity it's good for is Adobe.
One would have hoped Google could/would have lead the way by converting Youtube's delivery system to something new that's free and open.
Anyways, there's a lesson in there somewhere.
And,
Hi-five to the Gnash people.- notrub225, on 07/03/2008, -7/+2flash is god because it is the only animation plugin that everyone has, and THAT is good for developers.
- ralphthemagi, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Flash is necessary on today's web because otherwise you have to spend countless hours trying to ensure cross-browser compatibility. For some things, it's worth it. For other things, such as embedable content, it isn't. Flash is reasonably consistent between platforms, and between browsers. It's the "Java" of the web world, if you will.
While it's possible to do pretty much all the kinds of effects you can do with Flash, with a combination of XHTML, CSS, & JavaScript, it's not really possible to do that with embedable content. Can you imagine the nightmare of creating something with the complexities of Flash, and then making sure it renders consistently on Mac, Windows, Linux... IE, Safari, Firefox, & Opera? Not to mention smaller browers like Flock, Camino, and Konqueror? Sure, it's possible, but it's a nightmare. When you are developing for your own site, it's a bit different because there are a known set of rules. When you are deveopling for another site, you have to deal with different JavaScript frameworks, different DOCTYPES, different CSS styles and overrides, etc.. It's a nightmare. And while some things can be solved with XMLHttpRequest and/or iFrames, it's a lot easier to say, "Let's just do it in Flash. That we we don't have to worry about this crap, and even people on MySpace can embed it."
- darkray77, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4nice one ... this seems to work .... and seriously, where's the open source alternative to flash here people?! ... : ) It's always seemed so incredible to me how dependent the web is on a technology that is so closed off.
- digiteyes, on 07/03/2008, -0/+14While Flash on Linux may not be perfect and still no 64 bit I must say kudos to Adobe for making the attempt to make flash more cross platform compatible. Its not very often you see companies with proprietary formats going out of their way to make their products work on *nix platforms.
- jasonlfunk, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5Fullscreen hulu is still really choppy.
- mindracer, on 07/03/2008, -0/+564 bit please!
- Acglaphotis, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1I think it's a bug with firefox 3 but when i change tabs (say, from youtube to digg) and come back to youtube the video has to reload all over -_-''' it's quite annoying. Does this happen to anyone else?
- sathia, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3also characters lika à è ì ò ù don't work
- jamie191817, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Would anyone be kind enough to tell me how to install this on ubuntu? because watching youtube my cpu is at 100% and i get choppy playback on my 1.6Ghz centrino pentium M. I'm sure i'm not the only one. thanks.
- SpongeBob88, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0Right click on the tar.gz file and choose extract here. Then just double click on the install file to run it through the terminal.
- notrub225, on 07/03/2008, -15/+4it sounds to me like linux sucks
- danjwray, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Not that Flash on Linux sucks? Interesting perceptions you have there.
- darkray77, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2well .. this breaks last.fm something awful ...
- Boktai1000, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2yea this beta definitely breaks last.fm for me too but somethingawful appears to be working for me. seems to be a trade off, some sites display better now and some just crash, this will all be good though once its all worked out, ill still use the beta till then though.
- th3heretic, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Good, you don't need to be on somethingawful anyways.
- charlieplex, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1definitely different renderings than 9, but the transparency is still not working for me, kubuntu 8.04, 32 bit
- phatboye, on 07/03/2008, -1/+13* Yawn* until I see 64-bit support any flash new is meh.
- darkray77, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2Stability improvements?! ... almost, not really there yet unfortunately. Stick with version 9 if you're worried about your browser crashing and burning.
- rompolompo, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3Go to wimbledon.org and see the real meaning of flash....
- vertexoflife, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3holy *****!
- bleaked, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3I don't get it.. Looks like a standard use of flash to me.
- jockser, on 07/03/2008, -13/+2Windows > Linux > Linux without proper flash support...
I predict some burying will be done.- thepxc, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3You're a freakin' prophet! Lemme try... umm, how's that go?
"$UNPOPULAR_PRODUCT by $UNPOPULAR_ORGANIZATION is better than $POPULAR_PRODUCT."
Okay, okay, I'm halfway there... Oh, right! Now, instead of substantiating my claims, I'll just predict that the above statement will make me unpopular. My ability to predict that result will lend credibility to above unsubstantiated claim!
"I predict some burying will be done."
How was that? - 1n4007, on 07/03/2008, -2/+1Well, did you expect anything else than liars getting dugg down?
- thepxc, on 07/03/2008, -1/+3You're a freakin' prophet! Lemme try... umm, how's that go?
- polyp2000, on 07/03/2008, -0/+164bit linux users with nspluginwrapper
download the tar.gz version
untar it
nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Opera 9.50+ has it's own plugin wrapper built in. (Even though Opera is not open source it is a great browser)
I personally would suggest using Opera to 64-bit users that wish for flash.
Also nspluginwrapper does not help as it takes awake many flash player features including this one that allows for transparency.
- TheWindBlows, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Opera 9.50+ has it's own plugin wrapper built in. (Even though Opera is not open source it is a great browser)
- bleaked, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Funny, the linked blog touts how the menus on the Adobe website finally work.. so I tested them after installation and I found them to be horribly slow and buggy. However, every website I've tested so far (including one very notorious one) I have seen exceptional improvements to speed and rendering.
- RetepNamenots, on 07/03/2008, -0/+2This was one of my pet peeves with linux; no more!
- rifaco, on 07/03/2008, -3/+1You know, if I didn't know much about computers and read this, then I would think, "Hmmm, if this Linex [sic] thing is just getting a flash player that works, then maybe it will be ready for general use in 5 to 10 years."
- daverave999, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Yeah cos people who know nothing about computers hang round Digg.
- Stonekeeper, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Props to Adobe for treating us all equal.
- QuantumRiff, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Repositories?
Is there a repository one can install from? I don't want to mess with the .tar.gz, mostly cause I want updates to be automatic to me, and not have to check back in and see if there are any... - ToxNub, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0firefox crashed 3 times while trying to install this :p
- phinn, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Jeez it's about freakin time!!! Gonna grab it now...
- digitaldivinci, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1This also seems to have fixed an issue I was having with the "Friend's Activity" Pane popping up under flash ads on articles. Awesome.
- TheGreatBelow, on 07/03/2008, -3/+2The fact that Linux is only just now getting proper Flash support is a ***** testament to how far off Linux is from Windows.
- mvent2, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2Actually Linux has had swfdec which is open source and more stable.
- nmnnotmyname, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Heh, more like a testament to how much people aren't caring about Linux.
Sorry, but Linux has nothing to do with Flash not working. We have a tried and tested API - Swfdec does prove that there was never the issue of our OS or browsers being the problem - and Macromedia/Adobe didn't care for the longest time.
So sure, you can say it's our fault. But it's mostly a "circular dependency" (Perhaps more approprietly Viscious Cycle): Companies don't support Linux as well because not enough people use it, and not enough people use it because companies don't support Linux as well.
If you want to complain about Linux, find the source of its problems. No, lack of drivers is not what i'm talking about. I'm talking about that absolutely terrible peice of ***** graphical server that almost every Linux desktop is running right now - X11. They did the very best they could but it Sucks. It's not really there faults - It's hard to make an entire graphics server. But they really need to start from scratch and do real plug and play among other things... Instead, they're trying to turn it around. Meh.
- ugh333, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1most of the games on kongregate don't work with this ver of flash yet, fyi. and like others have said, full screen videos (youtube, hulu, etc.) are still very choppy, nearly unwatchable. i think that has something to do with no native support for hardware acceleration. flash for windows has it and you can watch full screen as smooth as the original size, but it's not there for linux users yet.
- nmnnotmyname, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2Yes, there is. It's in the options. Check "Hardware Acceleration" to get fullspeed - It truly works, I watched "The Real Zone" at 1280x1024 in HQ and beat my brothers WinVista machine in smoothness.
I haven't upgraded to this latest beta but i have the one before it. It's awesome compared to previous versions. I hope this one lives up to the hype also.
- nmnnotmyname, on 07/04/2008, -0/+2Yes, there is. It's in the options. Check "Hardware Acceleration" to get fullspeed - It truly works, I watched "The Real Zone" at 1280x1024 in HQ and beat my brothers WinVista machine in smoothness.
- munjalm, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3Congratulations. You're on par with Windows on one thing.
- nmnnotmyname, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Now if only Windows could beat Linux MCE or Multidesktop or have a decent Media Player (I'll pass on Windows Media Player, I'd prefer not to have to have certified graphics drivers just to watch a damn video)
Seriously, we have some great things on Linux. Sure, we may not have as many people (hence not as many programmers, which truly effects things adversly) but we have some really nice features. Firstly, Bash > CMD x1000. Secondly, It's one of the most popular webserving OS. Thirdly, it has a wide array of specialized abilities that Windows can not have due to its closed nature.- maloventevil, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1bash > powershell? a scripting language that is tied into the .net CLR?
- nmnnotmyname, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Now if only Windows could beat Linux MCE or Multidesktop or have a decent Media Player (I'll pass on Windows Media Player, I'd prefer not to have to have certified graphics drivers just to watch a damn video)
- maloventevil, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1i love how linux's featureset sucking less is actually a story.
- intercarve, on 07/11/2008, -0/+0This is phenomenal, we've been waiting for this for a long time!
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