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In-Depth Roadmap Analysis For Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04

fsckin.com — The Hardy Heron Roadmap has over 130 new ideas that have been proposed thus far. I ’ve examined each one of these ideas in detail, threw out the ones that are not very interesting, wrote an explanation for each item, and sorted the list into three categories: User Experience, Networking / Security, and Support .

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klco, on 10/31/2007, -4/+4Awesome list! Looks like almost everything I have been thinking Gutsy was still missing.
- potp, on 11/02/2007, -1/+3The only thing i am looking for is the Linux Kernel Team to add the IBM acpi into the damn kernel and fix it so that the ACPI that use to work beautifully previously works again now. Thats the only reason my IBM r40e even has Windows XP on it. Otherwise it would be a full time Ubuntu Laptop.
- wicketr, on 11/01/2007, -4/+2My one and mainly only request is for it to install easier. I'm stuck at that request because i haven't been able to get Ubuntu to install at all. I'm eagerly awaiting ditching Windows, but I first have to start at an installable OS.
  - barius, on 11/01/2007, -1/+3Ubuntu is one of the easiest to install OS's ever...
    Have you submitted a bug report regarding your issues?
    - Fergy, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1Come on, he must be joking. I can't think of an OS that is easier to install than Ubuntu.
      - HentaiJeff, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1DSL is actualy easier IMO, but it's not featured enough
    - wicketr, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1no i haven't. Currently, it locks up when it get to the live boot screen. The screen turns orange like it's going to the live desktop where you are about to select what hard drive you want to install or whatever, but it just hangs there. Doesn't do anything but show me an orange screen, no taskbar/toolbar or anything.
      - freexe, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Have you got enough ram?
        I've had that problem on low ram systems, when I've stuck in a extra 500mb it's worked fine.
sirhomer, on 11/01/2007, -14/+1.
sirhomer, on 11/01/2007, -6/+4I hope all of these features make it into the final release. If so it will be an awesome release.
phaseblue, on 11/14/2007, -1/+56I still say it should have been Hungry Hippo.
- elvenseven, on 11/04/2007, -8/+2How about Woody Wang.
- lensman00, on 11/01/2007, -4/+12Nerdy Namingconvention.
  - mrmacky, on 11/06/2007, -0/+16No if you're going to make it nerdy it needs to be
    Nerdy Nomenclature
    - skyhook19, on 11/16/2007, -0/+0Your Good.
- wicketr, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1When i first saw the name I read it as "Harry Hardon". I was imagining all the adverts for it going something like: "Get the latest version of Ubuntu: Harry Hardon Edition. Now ribbed for you pleasure"
xerigen, on 10/31/2007, -12/+3Heh heh.. sounds like Ubuntu Hard-on. Where do they get these names?
- Dumbledorito, on 11/01/2007, -1/+8My theory is they've got a furry or two on staff.
- OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1I seriously read it that way pretty much every time I scan over the title. I think it's cuz your brain has a tendency to read just the beginning and end of words. Don't know why you're getting buried. I'm an Ubuntu fanboy and I'm not making fun of the OS.
  
  They should have gone with Hardy Hippo or something.
  - xerigen, on 10/31/2007, -1/+3I guess Ubuntu fanboys are pretty serious and don't like jokes. I have Feisty Fawn dual booted but I guess some people don't like potty humor.
- pak314, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1They seem to use an animal name plus some alliteration. A heron is a kind of bird. It is a code name like Tiger, Leopard, Longhorn, etc.
MindTrigger, on 11/02/2007, -0/+16Gutsy has turned out to be fantastic so far, and is my first real adventure with Linux. I'm looking forward to the next version. And this is coming from a 16 year career vet working in the Windows environment.
- EridanMan, on 11/02/2007, -1/+6Hey! I'm in the exact same boat!
  
  10 year Windows Veteran here (professionally, if you count personal use, I still remember windows 1.0), I took my main machine over to Gutsy last week, and I'm now in the process of migrating all of the systems I manage (including friends and family) over.
  
  To say I'm thrilled with the stability, ease of use, and just simple 'fun' of this switch would be a severe understatement, and I'm already eagerly awaiting the next version. (Hopefully AWN will also be stable and more mature by the time Hardy releases as well).
  - dezman2003, on 11/13/2007, -5/+1Have fun with that, linux is great but one little problem can equal a BIG amount of work to fix. Switching over friends and family is going to turn into a nightmare for you.
- skyteria, on 11/02/2007, -0/+7Also in the same boat. Gutsy was my debut into linux after 15 years or so of Windows. I have a dual-boot Vista/Ubuntu machine, and I can't remember the last time I booted into Vista.
over90000, on 11/14/2007, -5/+31Ubuntu > OSX
- mcmlxxii, on 11/04/2007, -3/+6hehe you'd never get away with + diggs if the apple boys weren't all busy looking for Easter eggs in Leopard
  - fr34k5h0w, on 11/02/2007, -0/+3Believe it or not, but I'm a proud owner of a macbook pro, but I DO have Gutsy installed on two laptops, this one and my work laptop. While I like OS X for "just getting stuff done", I use Gutsy all of the time on the other laptop. I also have a server running Gutsy that hosts all of my stuff. So I'm not going to digg his comment down, but I'm not going to digg it up.
- IceZZ, on 11/02/2007, -1/+1OSX runs a layer on BSD. So you are saying Ubuntu > BSD? I'm not sure about that. *nix vs. *nix... you can put KDE on both of them.
madgamer1, on 11/01/2007, -5/+1*****
dentarthurdent1, on 11/01/2007, -6/+1i would really like to see easy file sharing. why is it easier for me to see and access files on an XP machine than another Ubuntu/Linux machine? right now i have to ssh into the other machine to access the files! that's insane.
- cesclaveria, on 10/31/2007, -0/+4if you are using KDE:
  
  write on konqueror:
  
  fish://user@other-machine
  
  Then you can use remote files the same way you handle local files (open with kate for example)
- puelocesar, on 10/31/2007, -0/+2or on nautilus: sftp://user@host-machine
  Then you can use remote files the same way you handle local files (open with gedit for example)
  - dentarthurdent1, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1thanks, i'll try this. but i don't know why i'm getting digged down. how is it obvious at all that you should have to type "sftp://user@host-machine"?
    
    i am too spoiled in expecting other computers on the LAN to appear as icons in the Network window?
    - Malachai, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1Well, when I go to Places > Network, I actually do see the other computers in my network.
    - puelocesar, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1Your being dugg down because peaple are stupid and doesn't like to think on the other's side..
      
      But, back to network shares, I know that if you right click a folder in Ubuntu you'll have a "Share this folder" option. That's pretty easy :)
- barius, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1It's called 'smb4k', install it.
typicalusername, on 11/01/2007, -7/+1Was I supposed to read that as Ubuntu Hardon? Is that some nerd humor that I'm not privy to?
- renegadeafk, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3you fail.
DryMaltExtract, on 11/02/2007, -8/+0Heroin? You linux users stoop so low. Don't think we mothers will stand for this blatant reference to drug proliferation!
shotmonkey, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1Nice list. As a non ubuntu user myself I have been quite annoyed by the endless reel of "Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon has X and Y". What I really didn't see which I did wonder, is what was missing.
qbix, on 10/31/2007, -2/+2Proper fakeraid support is the only feature I want implemented. I'll cross my fingers.
- chowmeined, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3Use Linux's software raid, it is safer and more reliable anyways.
  - trogdoor, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1And can be easily rebuild if your "hardware" RAID controller dies.
BenO169, on 11/01/2007, -3/+1Dial up support? If you still have dial up, you're not ready to leave windows and try a new OS.
- cesclaveria, on 11/02/2007, -1/+4I guess (hope) you are being sarcastic...
  
  There are many communities and even whole countries where getting a broadband account is not an option, an easy way to use dial-up is the best way for some. Ubuntu can be an excellent option to those people.
- DesuKN, on 11/02/2007, -1/+4Dailup is still very important if you travel a lot and cannot be certain of wifi. Phone connections are common enough to rely on.
- IceZZ, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1Not just dialup either.. if you are not ready to leave a nice visual interface and get gritty with emacs, then you are not ready to try Linux.
yongmuller, on 11/01/2007, -0/+6They all sound like good ideas.
PsychoTomato, on 11/02/2007, -8/+1how about an install manager like in windows that actually does the work for you...or maybe some actual compatablity with wireless cards
OfficialJoe, on 11/06/2007, -1/+13I had the privilege of working at Mark Shuttleworth's South African office for a while, which was tremendously cool (you should the place, it is immense). So when I saw the "Hardy Heron" name I couldn't help but wonder about a specific incident that took place shortly after they installed a Koi fish pond and (I am guessing here) roughly $60k worth of fish.

One morning they discovered a rather large fish on the side of the pond with a hole the size of my thumb in it. Turns out a heron discovered it and decided to make the pond its local Chinese take away. If I remember correctly the incident repeated itself until they installed special netting to keep the birds away.

Yeah, so...not really all that funny (or directly related to the article), but a hardy heron ate Shuttleworth's fish. Maybe it is a tribute...who knows.
Pulpx, on 11/02/2007, -1/+6Just fix X.Org and I'll be a happy man.
- Malachai, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1How is it broken?
  - andycr512, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1So many ways. It is, IMO, worse than the Windows equivalent. Multiple monitors are a nightmare and are card vendor-specific, they're only just now getting around to plug and play, etc. One look in the Ubuntu IRC channel and you'll see that 50% of the problems are due to X.
sethosayher, on 11/01/2007, -9/+1Why did I read that as "Ubuntu Hardy Heroin" ?
thomashauk, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3How about making the windows .exe so that is downloads the .iso via torrent as well as burning it to a cd
bj1989, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1If this is all going to be implemented for Hardy and will all be as great as it sounds, Gutsy > Hardy would have like 100 times more new features / improvements then Feisty > Gutsy. It would be fantastic, but still I will not get my hopes too high.
Hypersapien, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1Obviously, the next one is going to be something iguana.
gbarberi, on 11/04/2007, -3/+3How many diggers looked up 'Heron' on Wikipedia?
I did.
- barius, on 11/04/2007, -2/+2Not many birds where you come from?
  - barbapapa78, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2If English is not your native language I think it's not that common to know about a Heron. I looked it up and I know the bird very well in my own language, but I have never had the opportunity to include it in an English discussion until now :)
SourceClosed, on 11/05/2007, -4/+0Will Ubuntu 8.04 continue to be bundled with the same software that kills your hard drive? Seriously, Mark Shuttleworth should get a patent on this HDkiller thing. The hard drive manufacturers love him. With a patent, they're bound to stump up some additional marketing dollars.
- PsychoBrat, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/ubuntu ...
  I'm not going to pretend it's not still an issue (even if it's not Ubuntu's fault), but your ranting is just silly.
- andycr512, on 11/05/2007, -0/+21. You're a troll. View comment history and display name.
  2. It wasn't Linux's fault.
  3. They fixed it in 7.10 for me, so no.
  - SourceClosed, on 11/05/2007, -4/+01. No. I happen to have an unbiased opinion about technology. I'm not a Microsoft or Linux advocate. I call it as I see it. Unlike you.
    2. Yes it was. This problem is not found in Windows XP or Windows Vista. Not even a Macbook.
    3. Not for most people. Go check out the blogs. Lots of very unhappy people migrating back to a Windows Vista on their machines. I can't say I blame them unfortunately.
    
    It's unfortunate. I'd love for Ubuntu to be a viable alternative to Windows on a desktop/laptop but it simply pales in comparison to a commercially built operating system - with top notch software developers paid a good salary to develop quality products.
    
    Maybe someday a Linux distribution will get it right. But I just don't see it. The community is too fractured with competing software and distributions - so it will always remain a hobbyist operating system for geeks to salivate over.
    - PsychoBrat, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1Aye... :/
      
      1. Right... you call yourself unbiased, then spend the last two paragraphs ranting about how the commercial model is superior to distributed open source approaches. And "unlike you"? How does andycr512's comment suggest any significant bias? I can only guess that he checked the facts, and found that the source of the problem doesn't lie with linux, or most distributions (of course he could just be assuming this, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since he hit the right answer). Surely you realise that there's no point in claiming bias or a lack thereof without explaining how you came to that conclusion, and why anyone else should believe you?
      
      2. "Yes it was"? Got a source on that? No? Then shut it until you've actually done some research. (Don't bounce that back at me; you're the one making the original claim. But if you DO pull something out, I'll be happy to counter it with something better.) You're right, the problem isn't found in XP, Vista or OS X (I assume you meant that, not Macbook, since we're comparing software? If a Macbook doesn't have the problem, then the problem won't occur on a Macbook running Ubuntu! Funny, that.). But it's not found in linux, either. "Huh?", you say? Maybe -some- linux-based OS vendors could have put in strange settings here (I don't know any - do you have any examples?), but MOST distributions simply obey existing BIOS settings (etc). Yes, the habit of Windows to totally ignore existing settings has saved them from most of the criticism THIS time, and gives a bad name to any OS that doesn't do the same. (It's worth noting that it has bitten them in the past, as well. They just got lucky this time.) And because of this, the pressure doesn't get put on hardware vendors for more sane defaults. Sure, it's a problem that OS vendors definitely need to pay attention to now that it's known, but it's not a problem they created! A better solution than ignoring existing settings by default would be to warn users about such settings if they may cause harm in the long term, and giving them the option to change them. This is what OS vendors should be building into the next versions of their products.
      
      3. I can't comment on whether it's fixed or not, as I never had the problem. Luckily for me, my HARDWARE vendors didn't choose stupid default settings. And yeah, I dare say there are lots of people migrating to Vista from various other operating systems, including Ubuntu. Lots of people going the other way, too. I can't blame them either, whichever way they're going (because what are we blaming them for????). Are you trying to make some kind of point here? It's not making itself, so you might want to make it explicit.
      
      I have my problems with Ubuntu, too. Problems more legitimate than this one. Yet Windows, OS X, and others I've tried still can't meet my needs as well as Ubuntu does, at this point. Ubuntu -is- a viable competitor to other operating systems for many people, just as Windows works for many others.
      
      There is another equally valid perspective to the last bit, too. It goes a bit like this: >>maybe someday a Windows version will "get it right". The Windows "community" (i.e. Microsoft) is too narrowly focused, without any competition (within the Windows ecosystem) - so it will always remain a "beginner's only" operating system for the lowest common denominator to use, unaware that "computer" and "Windows" mean different things.
antitab, on 11/01/2007, -0/+2"Ubuntu has used close to the same theme since Warty Warthog"
What? The current Human theme was introduced last year, in Dapper, and was completely different in both coloring and style from the theme used in previous releases.

"X.Org 7.3 with Bullet-proof X"
I was told by the folks at #ubuntu that this was shipped with Gutsy. What gives?
oliviacond, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1Bullet Proof X was shipped with Gutsy, i already tried it out.
oliviacond, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1"Dual/Multi Monitor Gnome Configuration"
shipped with Gutsy
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK?action=At ...
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