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New Ipod Hash Cracked, Linux Supported Once Again

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  • lengau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+54Well that didn't take long, did it?
    Does anyone know yet if this will support the iPod touch as well?
  • benanzo, on 10/10/2007, -26/+7*****...Apple's devs are ***** incompetent.
    • bhattsan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13all they did was encrypt it...
    • Protoss, on 10/10/2007, -4/+32Was it really an encryption? It seems like Apple just improved upon their iTunesDB, by adding a checksum, which of course broke all third party programs.
      • sockdemon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You'd think it was from from some of the comments.

        As allywilson put it "This means that if you don't like using iTunes - you're screwed.", or as psilanthropist said "remember all third party apps like floola and senuti with which you could copy music from the ipod to the computer.", or WarrenHarding "this means anyone who doesn't want to use itunes won't be buying an ipod"
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1*baleeted*
    • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2They used SHA-1 to encrypt it. It was bound to be decrypted eventually.
      • thesquirrelwood, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8sha-1 does not encrypt, it's a hash
  • kevinmotel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+89The only way for software to NOT be worked around is to not release it in the first place. I love the hacking community.
    • sockdemon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24I share the sentiment, although I do wonder how many people from the first thread about this are wishing digg had an edit button.

      "Oh, when I said that 'iPods will never work with anything but iTunes' I was using the modern definition of 'never', you know, the one that means in a few hours. What I really said was 'Ipods will work on linux in the next few hours, don't panic or sensationalize'.
      • nreynolds, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I love when words like "never" mean "soon" and "literally" means "i'm exaggerating this, you know, the complete opposite of 'literally' "
  • xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I am just c&p'ing from somewhere:

    http://main.wtbw.co.uk/hash58.zip is all you need

    1) build a broken itunes db
    2) fix it with the hash generated with the tool by passing your fwid
  • leontes, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13It's the last days of summer, with the gentle breathe of fall quick approaching: I feel bad for the apple support team as they are now going to have to rush to block this interference. Oh, come on, guys, let's give them a little break; let them spend some time with their families.
    • XaeroVincent, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Umm... excuse me?
      In that case they will just be rushing to piss more and more *nix developers and users off.
      If Apple had any clue at all they should allow *nix users to "support themselves".

      There is little chance of Apple exceeding to work against the hacker community; all its doing is further tarnishing Apple's reputation as a music monopoly.
    • lmurillo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Then why not create an iTunes for Linux if they are so interested in keeping the monopoly of which programs can and can't control the ipod
    • ChayD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not a chance buddy, we'll be sending Steve down to personally harangue the developers until the work is done - just like the old days.
  • imkrazy182, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2wow, that didnt take long. and im talking about digg effect here
  • kriminalintent, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13That was pretty quick. Good news.
  • loganisamonkey, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Down after 75 diggs. Mirrors?
  • Alex2, on 10/10/2007, -13/+2Oh, so this is a "iPod doesn't support linux, ok, now it does" sort of thing. At first glance, I assumed the thread title meant that they got linux to run on the iPod Touch.
  • doubleblack, on 10/10/2007, -13/+4And, in other news:

    You can no longer use your iPhone unless you have your left index finger in between both of your eyes, and your right middle on your dick. If you do not meet these requirements, you cannot use your Apple(TM) iPhone. Don't have a dick? Sucks to be you...
  • CompIsMyRx, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22There is no lock, digital or otherwise, that can't be broken.
    • brodsky13, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Yes, but some locks are so hard to crack that they never do get cracked... which is what really matters at the end of the day.
      • tobias1482, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7No. It's just that those locks aren't worth effort or desire.
        • zebesian, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1What about Apple Logic? Or pro tools? There isn't enough support or a need for a crack for those?
          • floatingpoints, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There's a crack for Pro Tools... or at least a version that doesn't need cracking.

            Never had a prob with the copy I snagged.
        • themoosejuice, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0What? Your just a lamer. Apple Logic Pro 8 Studio was cracked for mac last week.
    • marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Tell that to coders who have been trying to get free DirecTV for years now :)
  • ementis, on 10/10/2007, -16/+3dugg for the linux fanboys.
    • stiankarlsen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Why is there always some douchebag who's got to go there?
    • bsolidgold, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There's no such thing as 'Linux Fanboys'... just linux users who could replace you with a very small shell script.
  • skyshock1, on 10/10/2007, -10/+30My next mp3 player still won't be a new iPod. Sorry, I'm not giving Apple a pass for this one. I'd MUCH rather support a company that doesn't purposely lock you to their garbage software, and actually supports the music formats I want to use (ogg and FLAC). Cowon and iRiver come to mind...
    • stiankarlsen, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13Exactly what I thought. I'm done with apple all together, it doesn't matter if the ipod works or not, it's just so shady supporting a company like that.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -12/+9Can we just all skip the fantasy that you, or any of the other people that show up with similar sentiments anytime anything Apple related is published, were ever going to buy an iPod anyway?

      "Apple serves poor quality cheese in the company cafeteria - I'll be damned if I'm going to buy an iPod now!'
      • GeckoSlayer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Dude.. Think of the cheese...
      • annoia, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I guess you're right... In this case there are three sorts:
        * Die hard Apple fans, who'll buy every single Apple product out there, just because there's a white apple on it.
        * Die hard Apple haters, who'll never buy a product by Apple, mainly because there's a white apple on it.
        * The rest of the world, who doesn't give a rats ass, and will buy whatever is popular - which right now has a white apple on it.
        • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well, in the world of Apple (a scary place at times) there is also this section:
          Those who prefer Apple products or services, but doesn't rush out and buy every single product if they don't need it or want it. Replace "Apple" with any other company name and you'll find that what most people do.
    • EdLesMann, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3@skyshock1
      Have you looked at the Cowon A3? That to me looks like the best product. I am seriously considering that purchase in the next few months.

      @superkendall
      I bought an iPod and I hate it. It was by far the worst 300$ I ever spent. After about a month I was so fed up with iTunes, mp3, and DRM that the iPod sat in its box for the next 2 months doing nothing cause I couldn't find anyone who wanted it (I even tried giving it away). I would have never used it at all if it wasn't for Rockbox.
      Then again, I don't think I am Apples target audience.
      I use nothing but Linux (well I have a windows box at work that sits in the corner *should* I need it..).
      There is no way in Hell you will ever convince me that giving up my rights for entertainment is worth any DRM'd content
      I am a slight audiophile in that I want a crisp clear sound. Of my 80GB of music: 60% of my music collection is in Flac and another 30% is in OGG leaving less then 10% for every other music file format. Needless to say ITunes doesn't like those formats and there is no way in hell I am converting that much music to anything less then Flac or OGG.
      I like to customize my interface to show only what I want seen and the customization options of white iPod or black iPod just doesn't cut it. I now have a kick-ass Mario theme that shows everything I want and need to know and I have full control over it.
      Then there were the issues like when iTunes made a valient effort to delete my music the first time I pointed it at my collection and told it to import. Thank God for backups.
      Then there is the fact that nothing worked right on the iPod until Rockbox...

      I don't mind Apple at all. In fact I miss my Cube a lot :-( however, the Apple iPod just isn't for me no matter how hard I try. Rockbox is the only saving grace IMHO.
      • BackDoorAngel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0can i have your ipod, then?
        • EdLesMann, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I am really considering getting the Cowon A3 here in the next couple of months. After that, sure. I got no reason to keep it around.
  • the_guy1, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5now all we need is for them to crack the 2nd and 3rd gen nano's and ill be happy
    • DelMonte, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Dude, you're a little confused I think...

      The 2nd gen nano didn't have this problem, and this news story talks about the new iTunes library files on new iPods like the Classic and the 3rd gen nano being cracked.

      They're not talking about running Linux ON the new iPods, they're talking about the ability to use Linux programs to sync the new iPods. The 2nd gen nano still can't run Linux, but it can be used WITH Linux, and could even before this new hack.
      • HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I think you're confused. He's asking for them to break open the 2G and 3G Nanos so he can run Linux on them.
        • kaiwai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No, this story is about syncing between *NIX and iPod - no where in the article does it talk about running Linux on the iPod.
  • cbiscuit3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5great job, I knew it'd only be a matter of time
  • aussieNickuss, on 10/21/2007, -5/+29I love Apple, but why the hell do they think it is a good idea to forcibly stop the iPod from working with Linux? Isn't it the case of, the more they support, the more potential customers they have? Stupid Apple, you can be dumb sometimes.
    • sneakerelph, on 10/10/2007, -13/+5They didn't forcibly do it. They came out with a new product and the software works different. If they wanted to lock out 3rd party applications they'd be able to fairly easily, and they would have put more effort into it i'd think. This new scheme just has better error checking, even if it's unnecessary it's progress. Plus it only took like a week to make it work, so quit yer bitchin'
      • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6While I use macs and Windows, thus not caring too much about this whole deal, but they added SHA-1 encryption to the database file. In other words, they purposely stopped people from reading it. Doesn't have anything to do with software running differently.
        • fak3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Exactly, they're trying to lock you in to using iTunes on Win/OSX only - before other apps could sync with the iPod, be it Win, Linux or OS X - that is no more with their new models, so in fact they did purposely stop people from reading the DB. The thought is that they want to lock everyone into the iTunes store. The thing is, as the consumer of 3 iPods, I've never bought anything from the store, I am (was?) free to use my iPod however I liked, since it's only an external harddrive with a small OS for playing music on.
    • tobias1482, on 10/10/2007, -7/+0they don't support that stuff officially because it costs too much to qa against it all. If they did, then they'd be going down the MS path and would never innovate again.
      • hockey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I am officially going on record to say I hate the word "innovation". It's the newest buzzword and it has officially become annoying.
    • jrak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wrong, wrong. Apple doesn't support Linux because they see GNU/Linux as a very different and dangerous kind of long-term competitor than even Microsoft.
  • salous, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Hahaha, don't you ever mess with the Linux community!
  • ffleming, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I told you so.
  • SaintStryfe, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8THANK YOU.... I told everyone (especially the Apple haters) that Linux types were creative and would figure a method to do it. This is a security measure apple set up, and those who need it broken for legit reasons (like Linux syncing) would get it working soon enough. No no, QQ all over the place instead.
    • annoia, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6So you like Apple because:
      * They try to stop you from using their products the way you want you to use them.
      * They are piss poor at security.
      I really don't get why you people keep using Apple, instead of some similar product, which lets you use the damned thing for whatever you want.
    • annoia, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1So you like Apple because:
      * They try to stop you from using their products the way you want you to use them.
      * They are piss poor at security.

      I really don't get why you people keep using Apple, instead of some similar product, which lets you use the damned thing for whatever you want.
      • fak3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Thank you for the best comment I've read on this thread thus far. Apple is saying they don't want you as a user, they're locking you out, and you know updates will undo what the hacking community has done, so it's an endless circle. When I read they used SHA1 I laughed, they knew it wouldn't hold, but this new stance shows what's really going on over there, they're becoming Apple-soft. As an owner of 2 macs and 2 ipods I don't think I'll buy either again because of this; they can't tell me what OS to run, or how to use things I bought. Digital rights, know them, defend them or lose them.

        More of my ranting/commentary here: http://lefttochance.com/?p=9
    • arjie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Out of curiosity though, why would you be happy about it. Apparently it's a security measure that can easily be broken, so it's pointless except for blocking out non-iTunes users. That isn't much of a security measure. Frankly, those who need it broken for illegit reasons can also crack it, it doesn't have some 'good' flag in the software.
  • colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -6/+27I hate to rain on the parade here... but isn't it perfectly possible Apple is hashing the database for reasons you'd normally hash? Like.. say... making sure the database doesn't get corrupted on your iPod? I mean, it's not like the only reason Apple would hash is for nefarious purposes. If they wanted to keep people out, they'd encrypt, not hash. I just think this sounds like Apple hating for the sake of Apple hating.
    • tobias1482, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14No! You expressed logic! That can't happen here! This is digg!

    • HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Actually, they did encrypt. They made a hash of the file and then encrypted the hash with some private data. This is a technique used to ensure that a file you are looking at was created by someone who knows the private data (presumably yourself).

      To make sure the database isn't corrupt, all you need to do is hash it, encrypting the hash with a private key is optional, and thus was probably don't for some other purpose besides ensuring the file isn't corrupt.
    • Otto, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3>>>"I hate to rain on the parade here... but isn't it perfectly possible Apple is hashing the database for reasons you'd normally hash? Like.. say... making sure the database doesn't get corrupted on your iPod? I mean, it's not like the only reason Apple would hash is for nefarious purposes. If they wanted to keep people out, they'd encrypt, not hash."

      In this case, no. The purpose of the hash is clear, albeit two-fold.
      1. It prevents the iTunesDB file from being transferred between iPods, since the hash incorporates the firewire ID number, which is unique to the iPod.
      2. It prevents third parties from being able to create the iTunesDB file (until they figured out how to generate it, anyway).

      A hash would not be needed for error checking because the iPod software already had a pretty decent error handling parser to begin with. And in this case, an incorrect hash prevents the iPod from loading anything at all. It adds a lot of extra processing to check the hash, and the error checking reason just doesn't hold up.

      Also, they can't encrypt, they need to maintain backwards compatibility with old iPods.
  • wcarolyn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1If the new iPods look as good as they first did (glossy white/black), then I would have got one. But now that they ugly, I finally can get other brands and not have to be forced to use the crappy iTunes.
  • Iytata, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2that's great news. maybe my iriver h120 can retire this year after all.

    congrats to the guys behind gtkpod. good work.
  • JEdwardFuck, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So how long until rockbox?
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2This only lets you load songs on the unit. No one has cracked the protection on the Classic and 3G Nano (or even 2G Nano) that prevents you from running your own code on the unit.
  • bangmalley, on 08/30/2008, -2/+1phew, what a relieved
  • SuperSunny, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3To be honest, those who complain about no OGG support and open source blah blah blah, there is Rockbox...which kinda kicks ass...
  • shedtroll, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Open source - 1 Apple - 0
    • zzzpoohzzz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0correction... open source - 5135123, apple - 1 (one point for coming out with the ipod)
  • DeathJux, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Is the general populous of Digg this stupid? Apple has NEVER supported Linux, meaning ALL of the old iPods were "forced to use Apple's software." What you are forgetting is that people cracked it, just like they've done with this, to support other programs and OSes. This isn't something new, just the software scheme changed so new methods needed to be developed.

    I worry about our community sometimes.
    • heatus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3The other day people were proclaiming that Apple was evil and I was dugg down for stating that it was their choice on how they develop their software/iPods. Now everybody is back on board and Apple is awesome once again.
    • jaiwithani, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Ipods on linux are supported - by the linux community.

      What makes this case noteworthy is that Apple apparently took extraordinary steps to prevent other applications from accessing the iPod, rather than merely not supporting it. There is a difference between not supporting iPods under Linux and actively discouraging their use. This was a case of of the latter.
      • kaiwai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I would have thought making the information available would allow many people to write front ends, lots of competition, heaps of people using iPods rather than the competition. Apple seem to have this myopic view that if they don't control every single aspect of the process, the whole thing will fail.
    • eean, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I dunno if I would could call writing a device driver "cracking".
  • PhilH, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Let me guess; 09 F9...
  • JohnnyXmas, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Not "Supported." It can be installed, and runs (though pointlessly), but it is not "supported."
  • iakupo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Winamp support is only moments away! Victory!
    • hay112, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1that's what i'm waiting for, when that's finalized i'll consider an iphone
  • xevidentx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4why do you fools still support apple even though they are the main proponents of hardware lockdown... even more so than MS. say all you want about jobs giving you idiots lip service about how he wants drm taken out of songs, all the while locking down the ipod, iphone and mac hw. want to see a gullible?
    • directive0, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I would love to see a gullible. Is it a type of bird? Oh please do tell!
    • fak3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Here, here, as the comment above stated, they don't want you as a customer unless you follow their rules. No thanks, I'll stay on my own from now on. I'm waiting for iRiver or Creative to come out with an official Linux client to support one of their players, they could suck away much of the iPod market that way. I hope most are that dumb to just go out and submit to what Apple is dictating.
    • mentat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well, three reasons.
      First, Apple makes nice hardware. I mean, the visual appeal is something, and they're pretty damn small. And then don't forget about the fact that I don't think anyone else makes a device at 160 GB at that price point and size.
      Second, the software's pretty nice too. I mean, the interface is pretty simple, and this new firmware is supposed to be slick too.
      Third, for the challenge of it all! I mean, where would we be if it weren't for the first guy who took some off-the-shelf component or device and said "you know, I'm not sure I'm totally happy with this thing. And you know what, I'm going to do something about it! I'm going to make smaller paddles!" You could say it's in protest, you could say it's technolust, I don't know, but people are doing it, and there's not a hell of a lot that can be done to stop us. Well, short of remotely bricking our devices, but I sure as hell doubt that'll happen any time soon.
      • xevidentx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1the software is only nice if you don't already have a huge collection of MP3s and FLACs(!!!) organized in a directory structure, which itunes and zune refuse outright to support... and if the software doesn't constantly crash on you and force you to install quicktime... and load hidden services upon windows startup... aka, it sucks
  • niallabrown, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Will it be legal for distros/media players to have this functionality pre-installed? Or will I have to hack it my self?
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