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Next Debian's 'Lenny' frozen

theregister.co.uk — The next version Debian has come a step closer to completion with the freezing of the current testing distribution version codename Lenny. This will form the basis of Debian 5.0, expected in September.

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  • FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 07/31/2008, -15/+2NeXT Debian?
  • seanmx, on 07/31/2008, -15/+62nd comment....front page?
  • VigilanteP, on 07/31/2008, -3/+44Lenny: White
    Carl: Black
  • BXRWXR, on 07/31/2008, -13/+5How come every time I look at that headline I see 'lesbian'?
    • FredFredrickson, on 07/31/2008, -0/+8Maybe it's your learning disability?
  • drcreek, on 07/31/2008, -3/+43This is nothing Windows has been freezing up for decades.
    • FredFredrickson, on 07/31/2008, -17/+4*Sigh*

      Linux is never going to be taken seriously by the general masses if people can't say it's good without saying something else sucks in the same sentence.

      Windows ain't that bad - it freezes up because stupid people do stupid things to it. Just like Mac OS. Just like Linux.
    • novakyu, on 07/31/2008, -11/+0Er, unless you are joking (in which case, it wasn't funny), "frozen" is a Debian lingo, meaning that no new packages or major changes (i.e. things that don't fix release-critical or security bugs) will be allowed into the Debian testing (codenamed Lenny).

      This is the first step before a new release of Debian stable.

      Analogies with single software packages quite don't work as well here because of the massive scale of the Debian project, but this is equivalent to a group releasing a "release candidate", after a period of public beta testing.
      • DeviateSeptum, on 07/31/2008, -0/+10You need to turn up the sensitivity of your joke detector. That's was so obviously a joke that I find it hard to comprehend that you missed it. And it was kind of funny too.
  • slingr, on 07/31/2008, -2/+11having used many distro's, i've come to run all my servers at home on debian

    apt-get debian-5.0
    • jkearney, on 07/31/2008, -0/+7jkearney@scofield:~$ sudo apt-get debian-5.0
      E: Invalid operation debian-5.0
      jkearney@scofield:~$

      Lies.
    • tnoy, on 07/31/2008, -1/+3sed --in-place 's/etch/lenny/g' /etc/apt/sources.lst
      apt-get update
      apt-get dist-upgdade
  • buckygrad, on 07/31/2008, -12/+5Frozen lesbians?
  • inThePoopShoot, on 07/31/2008, -20/+1I'm going to Belair, bitch!

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  • BMNB1tches, on 07/31/2008, -2/+2So then Lenny says 'As if! Don't even go there sister!'
  • Zeraw, on 07/31/2008, -10/+0Lenny? Lenin?
  • phocis850, on 07/31/2008, -14/+7Why can't all these Linux/Unix platforms pull together?
    If we all hate using Windows, then I don't see us having something as EASY as windows for years to come.
    If they would all pull together we could get there faster.

    Hey, here's something to fix.
    Installing programs is NOT easy. I'm a computer guru and work with Linux servers on a daily basis, but for the average individual installing a program is NOT easy. In fact, it causes the majority of those interested in Linux to give up.
    • Vytorious, on 07/31/2008, -5/+8How hard can it be to type in "sudo apt-get install"?
      • dbr_onix, on 07/31/2008, -2/+6Not harder, but far, far less intuitive than shoving in a CD and doing what it asks you to do..

        And what if you happen to be using Fedora, then it's not apt-get, it's yum! WHat if the program isn't in the default-enabled repos, then you have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to enable or add the additional repositories, run sudo apt-get update then apt-get install [app name] (or the package that contains it)
      • com2, on 07/31/2008, -1/+4The fact that you have to remember a command to type in order install an app puts you back to the days of dos for ALL non techie users. That is a major deterrent for all the moms & pops who would be needed for mainstream acceptance.
      • Rehumanize, on 07/31/2008, -1/+2You should really use "aptitude install" instead, to keep track of dependencies.
      • NTolerance, on 07/31/2008, -1/+6I seem to recall a program called Synaptic. Nothing DOS about that.
      • phocis850, on 07/31/2008, -5/+0Oh, I don't know, what happened to the Commodore 64 when Windows 3.1 came out?

        The less work the user has to do or remember, the easier the experience.

        Why don't you get your mom to try and install firefox.
    • etement, on 07/31/2008, -4/+12it's not easy using apt or installing *.deb's?

      you're not a computer guru.
      • phocis850, on 07/31/2008, -6/+0You missed the point. Have your mom install Firefox and let me know how it went.
    • santixar, on 07/31/2008, -4/+11Have you ever heard about SYNAPTIC?
    • fsck3r, on 07/31/2008, -0/+10If we all pooled to make one monster Linux system, we would end up with Windows 2. One of the greatest things about linux and the linux community is freedom of choice.
    • bigsteve, on 07/31/2008, -1/+7Separate Unix and Linux platforms are separate because different people have taken different ideas in different directions. Different platforms serve different purposes. If there was one platform that served ever purpose, it'd likely be as bloated as Windows. OpenBSD: wonderful for a perimeter defense appliance, rock solid stability and super-security. Red Hat Linux: great for application housing, stable, features optimized and catered to the enterprise server market. Ubuntu Linux: wonderful distro for those just getting started, or even a power user that wants to have a near 100% functional Linux machine up in about 20min. Gentoo provides the ability to squeeze every last ounce of power out of your specific system via thorough optimization, if you have the time.

      And programs aren't easy to install? Double clicking an icon labeled "Add / remove applications" and searching for a desired program from a list, finding it, clicking "Install" and then clicking "Apply" is too hard? Seriously? Even from the command line, a single command can install an app and all of it's dependancies in seconds. All while teaching a computer user better / more secure usage habits, and teaching them more about how their computer works.

      But as a computer guru who works with Linux servers on a daily basis, I'm sure you knew all that.
      • phocis850, on 07/31/2008, -3/+1Yes, I know all the commands for Linux and use them on a daily basis. I enjoy all the different versions out there. I use CentOS for my servers, and Ubuntu for my own computers, those are 2 different types of setups. Windows and Windows Server Edition are 2 different setups as well.

        I'm saying that if Ubuntu, Gentoo, Suse, Redhat, Mandrake, and the rest of the "personal desktop editions" would join together, they would get more accomplished faster. Take KDE and GNOME for example. If they joined forces, then they would have a phenomenal product that would far exceed what they have currently. But, no, they are staying separate because they share the same purpose of getting Linux on home computers. Why not join and THEN theme? It would do wonders on getting more stable functionality sooner.
      • bigsteve, on 07/31/2008, -0/+4@phocis850: I don't think Gnome & KDE's purpose, shared or otherwise, is to "get Linux on home computers." I think their purpose might be to, oh, I don't know, build on X's window management.

        And why on earth would you call Ubuntu, Gentoo, Suse, Redhat, and Mandrake "Personal desktop editions?" You can take the same install of an Ubuntu or Redhat (and I'm assuming you meant Fedora here, as Redhat now makes Enterprise Linux) and run it on a server and it'll take care of all your needs. It's all the same Linux, with different software packaged with it and different configuration changes already made. Same kernel. It's not Linux Light or Linux Home Ed. or something.

        And that silly remark you keep making about my mother installing firefox... whether it be where to put an install CD, a Synaptic icon to click, or a command to type, those are all simple steps that she'll get quickly once instructed. She didn't know where the CD went the first time, either. Your Mothers May Vary.
    • cmost, on 07/31/2008, -2/+7If you think installing software on Windows is easier than installing software on Linux then you are NOT a computer guru. What you are is a Windows users who knows his way around Windows annoyances to the point that Windows actually works for you and you're afraid to try anything else because that takes you outside your comfort zone and puts you back to beginner status. Therefore, you tout Windows' perceived superiority to anyone and everyone who will listen and denigrate anything else. Many of you are IT professionals who hold one or more Microsoft certifications. We call people like you Microsofties.
      • com2, on 07/31/2008, -1/+1You have a point but I think you missed his. "for the average individual installing a program is NOT easy" not to mention installing hardware. Imagine your grandmom trying to install a printer or office app. Hard or not? can she do it with out a 45min call to you for help?
      • phocis850, on 07/31/2008, -3/+0Sorry cmost, your right, I don't work with Linux servers on a daily basis (sarcastic)

        Before you get all upset, try READING the entire comment.
      • cmost, on 08/01/2008, -0/+2@phocis850 I did read the entire comment sweetie and I stand by my comment.

        @ com2 My Dad, who is nearly 70 used to call me all the time for 45+ minute phone conversations on how to troubleshoot...Windows of all things. He was constantly innundated with spyware, viruses and system problems. I switched him over to (Debian based) Linux about five years ago and believe it or not, he hasn't had ANY problems since. His computer simply works. He gets online, he checks his e-mail, he uses OpenOffice and he installs the occasional software (games or productivity applications mostly) via synaptic; all by himself. I don't know what to tell you, if my dad can do it anyone can.
    • ethana2, on 07/31/2008, -0/+4Windows doesn't even have package management. Making apps install themselves is asking for trouble.

      Here's an idea for you. How easy is it to completely /remove/ something that's installed? Good luck with that on windows! Or perhaps keeping things updated? I never install anything that's not on an apt server if i can help it.

      Just add the apt line, install whatever-- and you're good to go for at least the next six months. By that time, windows would have killed itself anyway.
    • linksus, on 07/31/2008, -0/+3yum install brain
      # brain not found
    • Murdats, on 07/31/2008, -1/+3it may not be hard to install programs in linux, but it is not very intuitive.
      • rowjimmy, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2intuitive for who? somebody that has no idea what a computer is, or somebody that is used to windows?

        there is very little natural intuition when it comes to computers - you just consider what you are used to to be "intuitive"
      • Murdats, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1hmm, clicking an icon that says install? that makes no sense let me bring up the CLI and type sudo apt-get, that makes much more sense.

        or let me any gui based package manager and find the program I want to install.

        I would say for those not familiar with a computer, the concept of clicking an icon that does what it says is simpler then using software to install software, or funny looking words to do it.

        I do however like linux and package managers, but you can not say that it is not less intuitive.
      • SteveMax, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1Murdats:
        Click an icon that says "Install software", then find the software you want on a list, then click "Install"
        -- OR --
        Click an icon that says "Internet", then enter www.google.com, then enter the name of the software, then click on its site, then find a way to download it, then download the installer, then close the window, then click an icon that says "My Computer", then search through a lot of different places for where you downloaded it, then click the installer's icon, then click "Next" a couple of times, then click "Install".

        You might say that you're more used to the second way. You may say that it's the way you know to installing stuff, and therefore that you don't feel comfortable using the first. But can you honestly say that the second way is more intuitive?

        The person doesn't even need to think that he's "using software to install software". By the way, you ALWAYS use software to install software, whether it's "Synaptic", "Yast" or "Explorer/Install.exe".
    • javaroast, on 07/31/2008, -0/+3I guess you are correct, Sony proved just how easy it was to install rootkits on Windows simply by putting a CD in the drive. On the other hand the graphical install applications and package management for linux is really the way to go. As for your Firefox argument... my mom wouldn't have to install Firefox. It is included with all of the major Desktop oriented distros that I can think of.

      And I'll go you one better... Given a Unbuntu install CD and an XP install CD have your mom install each OS with a working office suite. I can guarantee that the Ubuntu install is finished first and is far more intuitive. In fact given the parameters above you'll have a very rough time completing an Office install at all.
  • cantormath, on 07/31/2008, -7/+3pefection takes time........it will be better then be vista ::grin::
  • FolkTheory, on 07/31/2008, -8/+1Correction: it's Debian lenny. NOT Lenny.
  • zip000, on 07/31/2008, -0/+12For those that don't know, Debian always code names it's releases after Toy Story characters. Here's a pic of Lenny the Binoculars:
    http://www.polosur.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/200 ...
  • dhughes, on 07/31/2008, -1/+3 Lenny is frozen...in Carbonite, damn you Jabba!
  • cquilliam, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2I'm surprised they haven't used "Wheezy" yet, which is a Penguin. Maybe they're saving that one or something.
  • ArthurArchnix, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2The guy who wrote the article seems to think that Ubuntu is based on Testing or Stable. That some fine detective work, Lou.
    • FolkTheory, on 07/31/2008, -1/+1it's based on sid
      • zwaldowski, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1Intrepid is based on Lenny; they're doing a package import.
  • Balla79, on 07/31/2008, -1/+0Tried it in Virtualbox in Ubuntu, and liked it very much. Too bad it didn't detect any of my network cards when I did a "real" install.. :-(
    • tomarocco, on 07/31/2008, -1/+2That's why we have Ubuntu.
      • Balla79, on 08/01/2008, -1/+3Debian is better if you know how to get around things and want it rock stable. I would have known how to get around things, if I had some kind of Internet connection.
  • stikkitjim, on 07/31/2008, -0/+11Debian is releasing!? I'll call the president.
    • FolkTheory, on 07/31/2008, -2/+5In Soviet Russia the president calls you!
  • matthewinDRO, on 07/31/2008, -0/+2quickly! get some warm water and some blankets before lenny gets the frost-bite
  • thefinger, on 07/31/2008, -0/+1Pick ME! I'm an urban Lenny!!
  • thefinger, on 07/31/2008, -2/+2Hearing about Debian development is like hearing about the progress of paint drying. Next?
  • Munshot, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1Looks like they were waiting on the inclusion of kernel 2.6.26 that seems to have just been added at the last minute. That was two weeks overdue!
  • Vadi0, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1Congrats to Debian. Although the pace seems amusing :)
  • mybeat, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1What kernel version will be in lenny? 2.6.25 or 2.6.26?
  • btdonovan, on 08/02/2008, -0/+1I used testing for about a month but the lack of nvidia drivers got annoying real quick. Every time they alter the kernel it breaks the manual install. I like Debian based distros but for some reason I'm bored with Ubuntu. Is there any other decent competition in the Debian based distro market? Besides Debian itself I mean.
  • mcwest, on 08/02/2008, -0/+1Debian on server,Ubuntu on desktop!
    Debian on desktop for geeks and nerds;p
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