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Ubuntu Studio... Coming this April...

ubuntustudio.org — Ubuntu Studio. A multimedia creation derivative of Ubuntu. Ubuntu Studio is aimed at the linux audio, video and graphic enthusiast as well as professional.

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  • raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -17/+52I'm not a fan of Ubuntu by any means. I'm only digging this for the following:

    1) I like the screenshots.

    2) A commercial Linux vendor is finally going after Apple's target audience.

    Someone once said that Ubuntu tends to draw alot of Mac users, more so than other distros, for various reasons (the close-knit village feeling, the rambunctious enthusiasm, the brand marketing).

    I guess now they have the biggest reason yet to jump on the Ubuntu bandwagon.
    • schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15> "Someone once said that Ubuntu tends to draw alot of Mac users"

      If the theme in the screenshot reflects on the current/future build, then it's worth emphasising that Apple has just announced a switch to glossy black in their GUI's (Cocoa with Brush Meta/Aqua replaced?).
    • TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+80I have a problem with Linux users who boycott Ubuntu, Sure, it's not the most nerdy distro of Linux like Gentoo and so on, but Linux users should be patting the backs of the Ubuntu developers for making this really good distro, after all, it's going to be distro's like Ubuntu which bring more companies over to Linux.
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -4/+50Commercial vendor? Where? Ubuntu Studio will be as free as Ubuntu desktop.
    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -30/+17Does it run Pro Tools? Photoshop? Final Cut Pro?

      These are the things that studios are concerned with. I'm thinking it's going to be a flop unless those packages are released for the Linux platform.
    • regeya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17@skyshock21:

      On an unrelated note, I have it on good authority that Microsoft Office will never catch on until Word gets better WordPerfect import/export filters, and Excel gets better Lotus 1-2-3 import/export filters.
    • ifoundgodot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20@skyshock- The point of Ubuntu Studio as well as Linux in general is that it has free software to use instead of those big names. Many of these programs are as good, if not better than their Windows/MacOSX counterparts. A lot of them however, are still not quite as good, but thats why the Open Source world is great- they will eventually get there. Of course, this means that maybe professional studios won't pick up Ubuntu Studio, but really, I think the main demographic for it will be enthusiasts- people who want to produce professionally/semi-professionally but don't have the money for such software as Final Cut Pro, Photoshop, and ProTools.

      I know I'll be using it for my own sequencing and recording- I don't have the money to afford software like ProTools and Cubase, so this is perfect for me.
    • jasmin888, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Does it run Pro Tools? Photoshop? Final Cut Pro?"

      At some point those didn't run on windows either (don't know about protools, but I sure rember the fuss when photoshop for windows came out).
      Basically that comment is pretty irrelevant to the situation at hand. If ubuntu does the job running multimedia apps well, and the user base is there - any relevant app will eventually run on linux.
    • raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@dooraque

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.

      @TonyCubed

      That doesn't make any sense to me. Linux is only a kernel (for the 100 millionth time); each distro is, essentially, its own operating system, often times with its own packaging format, its own commercial vendor, and its own goal for taking over the Desktop from Windows.

      To this end, Ubuntu competes directly with Mandriva, Linspire, and every other desktop-specific, commercially-driven distro out there in the known Linux distroverse. IMO, there is no "Linux" OS to convert people to.
    • ElectricGrandpa, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8'Many of these programs are as good, if not better than their Windows/MacOSX counterparts. "

      Better? Hah. I think you'd be hard-pressed to even make an argument that they're as good.
    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"Better? Hah. I think you'd be hard-pressed to even make an argument that they're as good."

      Seriously. There's absolutely no equivalent for Pro Tools or Photoshop on Linux right now. Nothing even close. Audacity? Gimp? Pfftt.. don't make me laugh.

      I understand studios that do 3D Pixar-ish movies use custom-rolled applications under Linux but those aren't available to the public.
    • Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Apt-Get Install *all-software-installed-by-default-in-Ubuntu-studio*

      Just install some software. No need for a whole new distribution. Would work in Debian, Mandriva and possibly Linspire, too.
    • Meep3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I reckon the designing for Pixar is done on mac/win and the 2,000 Linux boxes are simply used as a render farm.
    • sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Tonycubed,

      For me, the problem isn't the distro itself, but the fanboyism of many of its users. The distro itself isn't all that bad, which is why about 5 minutes ago, I installed it to dual boot with *BSD....

      I can see another reason purists might not like Ubuntu. It includes "non-free" software. For instance, the Nvidia driver was already installed, which surprised me a bit. For those users, there are "more free" distros like Fedora or gNewSense (which might not be a bad idea for others besides purists, it can be a good way to install something very basic and add only what you need?)
  • shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17wrap it up in a package i can install on regular ubuntu and i'd use it....
    • pufuwozu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/MetapackagesBreakdown
      You'll only need to install those packages.
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Everything we do goes into the Ubuntu repos. Nothings separate but having its own disk to install and some art.
    • thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Anyone know what Gnome theme it is running?

      I've been running Human-Orange for several months now and it's about time for a change.
    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ thtroyer

      It's a GTK2 theme called Neutronium-High that you can get from www.gnome-look.org

      I think it looks... OK. Certain aspects of it don't carry over well (certain text fields, GAIM names, etc..)
    • xxNIRVANAxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I want it only for the black theme!
    • myFriendDerrik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You know what they say: Once you go black, you never go back. :P
    • wedderburn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@skyshock21 nope its out own custom theme not Neutronium
  • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43This should mean a low-latency-enabled kernel per default. Good stuff.
    • Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Why the heck is he being dugg down?!
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2We do have a -lowlatency kernel. Its currently in the Feisty repos.

      The -lowlatency kernel isnt enabled by default as people have different needs. ie: If our -lowlatency kernel is made a depend on the audio packages then that will mean people who compile their own will have to have ours around as well if they dont want to break the metas. We didnt want to stick people with that.
    • ifoundgodot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Will it be easy to enable the low latency kernel for those who are doing audio?
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ifoundgodot

      Yes. A "-lowlatency" currently is in the feisty repos.
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1"Will it be easy to enable the low latency kernel for those who are doing audio?"

      Easy? Nooo. It's Linux after all ;)
      Now digg me down!
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"Easy? Nooo. It's Linux after all ;)
      Now digg me down!"

      Im sure your joking. ;)

      "sudo apt-get linux-lowlatency"

      Done.
  • Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Okay, now this rocks for sure. Right now I'm running Ableton and Adobe Audition as far as my audio work goes, and I've been tempted to get a macbook just so I could run Logic Pro.

    Ubuntu Studio looks like it could easily replace all that... For free. Very cool. Exciting too.
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Oh well... you can still run Ardour on OS X.
    • vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3there's also ableton for osx. I'm pretty happy with my macbook and recording
    • jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Replacement? How exactly? Which software?
  • roxics, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24My biggest problem with Linux is that I haven't been able to find a really good solid video editing application that is capable of competing with Vegas or Final Cut Pro. Build me something like Vegas for Ubuntu and I'll use it.

    I'm not so sure there really needs to be a separate distro just for media. Plenty of distros out there as it is. Build us more killer media applications so we can switch, that's what's really missing.
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Cinelerra anyone? It's FOSS and very powerful.

      "At the National Association of Broadcasters' 2004 Electronic Media Show, Cinelerra was awarded Bob Turner's "MAKING THE CUT" award. The award is given to "the best and most exciting postproduction products seen at the convention" [1]"
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra
    • dvfreelancer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Cinelerra anyone?"

      I've never been able to any serious editing on Cinelerra. The interface seems clunky but I haven't tried it in a while, maybe that's changed. I'm still using Vegas Video on my token Winders box and Audition for audio work.

      When there's a really good Linux alternative to Vegas, I'll be thrilled to switch over. I'm hoping Adobe would port Premiere Pro and the rest of their product line. They could produce a turn-key system package that would be killer.

      MainConept has a version of MainActor for Linux but it's just a standard A/B editor.
    • Kickersny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There was a promising project called diva-- http://diva-project.org/ --but development seems to have stopped after their last beta. Also, it used gstreamer and as such, had problems with NTFS (sometimes rounded the standard 29.97 FPS to 30, sometimes didn't.). If something like that was finished, it would be welcomed to the ubuntu (and linux in general) community with open arms, IMO.
    • MeltedUFO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I doubt Adobe Premiere is going to get ported to Linux (soon), it's not even on OS X yet.
    • M1ndless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"Build me something like Vegas for Ubuntu and I'll use it... Build us more killer media applications so we can switch, that's what's really missing."

      The great thing about F/OSS is that YOU can build it! If you're looking for a program that doesn't exist, make it yourself, or at least start the project. Chances are others are also looking for the same thing and will contribute to your cause. Or better yet, contribute to an existing project. Even if all you're doing is bug reporting or usability testing, it still helps and will eventually turn into what you're looking for.
    • Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Cinelerra looks great! http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra_shots.php3

      I can't help but keep calling it cine-derella :D
    • roxics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@M1ndless
      What do you think I'm Macgyver or something? That I can just whip out a pro-level video application just because I want one? I wish it were that easy. But not everyone is a software developer. I guess some people just don't understand that concept. Not everyone can think the way a software developer can. Just like not everyone can swallow swords or be a doctor. If I had those skills I certainly would do it. It would probably pay pretty well. But I don't have the time or the skills to do it. And really why should I, when there are perfectly good suites out there right now on both the Windows and Mac platforms? Just because there isn't a version for Linux is not my problem, it's a Linux problem and another good reason for me not to use the OS until it matures more. Sure I'd like to see an application like that but I'm not exactly on my knees begging for one. In fact I see it the other way around, that Linux is begging me to use it and just not doing a very good job at the moment with its current software offerings.

      The point I was trying to make initially is, Linux doesn't need more distros, it needs more pro-level software. You can come out with as many media distros as you want until you're blue in the face, but what's the point unless it comes with some newer/better software then what's currently available for other distros?

      I guess it's just a Linux thing that I really don't understand. Everyone and their brother has a Linux distro these days and the only difference between them all is the default theme. The energy these guys are using to build this distro could be better spent on building quality media applications for the original Ubuntu which is perfectly fine to use for media itself.


  • wedderburn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5this is gonna rock ;), the gtk theme, wallpaper, new logo and everything else is top notch so far.
    • fleabag, on 10/12/2007, -25/+5And this is why ubuntu appeals to the majority of you cheerleaders..
    • Meep3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You have two choices. Something that looks good and works well, or, something that looks like ***** and works well.

      The fact that you'd not only pick the latter, but avoid the former simply because of it 'looking good' says more about you than I possibly could.
  • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5Ubuntu Studio: because creating yet another distribution variant is simply easier than having an OS where people can just install apps by drag and drop (yes, I know about the existence of package managers, I am a linux user too, and I know their limits).
    • crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What? I think you fail at using sarcasm.
    • djlosch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4the big issue is a lot of kernel mods. unlike other sub distros based on different WMs or stupidities like ubuntu christian edition, or edubuntu, this has substantial kernel differences.
    • jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So, there is a slow version, and a fast version? Why keep the slow one?

      "freedom"
      Right.
  • diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1I would think that if it contains proprietary software, it will be a retail version.
  • Jessehk, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5Yet another Ubuntu derivative. Enough is enough.
  • Jolva, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11I don't think you're going to be moving a lot of "graphics professionals" to Ubuntu (or any distro of Linux) any time soon. If only Adobe would port their creative suite, then we could talk.
    • ever, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I wonder why in the world you got dugg down. As someone working in the field of graphic design and architecture I've yet to see stuff we need running on Ubuntu. And as for editing and audio mastering and mixing: ProTools, FinalCut Pro, Premiere, etc, VST plugins..
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8That would be cool. However, people dont _need_ Adobe, Sony or DidgiDesign/AVID to be creative. ;)
    • jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Creative not, productive yes.
  • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"And this is why ubuntu appeals to the majority of you cheerleaders.."

    LOL!^^

    What always gets me is the retarded infighting amongst distro users. Use what works for you. Theres no need to hate another distro. Distros are 90% the same thing. Same apps, almost the same way of doing things. Theres just no need for the haters.

    Anyone that actually want to know answers to their assumptions hop on IRC #ubuntustudio on Freenode.
    • regeya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeah, but it was a response to a comment claiming that Ubuntu Studio will rock because, well, the eyecandy they've made so far looks pretty. This is what outsiders see when they see Ubuntu fanboys: Oh yeah, GNOME rocks and so does Ubuntu because at least it's not ugly.

      A good, unobtrusive, intuitive interface is very important, yes, but as the old saying goes, beauty is only skin deep.

      I'm an Ubuntu user...a Kubuntu user, actually. Ubuntu has done a great job of pushing the state-of-the-Linux-art forward, and GNOME has as well, but there are just too many things either missing, and when anyone is openly critical, even when it's meant to be constructive criticism, one is too often exposed to spleen-venting, lengthy diatribes, and/or admonitions to do better yourself if you don't like what they've done. We're way past the point where the childish tantrums about "we're doing this for free, so stfu until you make something better" was acceptable. If you can't keep your emotions off your sleeve, kindly keep your software to yourself; you're doing no one any favors if you pack up and take your toys home as soon as a dimwitted 13-year-old rants and raves about the shortcomings of your software.

      Whoops! Got a bit off topic there! Sorry 'bout that. Back to the regularly scheduled program...

      So yeah...even as a (K)ubuntu user I can understand some reasons why the Ubuntu camp tends to be hated: It's a group of people who aren't learning anything about their distribution, and instead sit in slackjawed amazement that they can make their desktop look nearly as gawdy as OS X or Vista. Pity they'll never learn that they're using a top-notch Linux distribution. :-(
    • stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know, after I blocked that Phocion guy, all I've seen is people complaining about in-fighting.
    • fleabag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can only assume you're the leader of this brigade? Here's an idea, prove my opinion wrong don't just make another 'pretty' desktop out of GNOME.
  • ncus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4This is definitely good news for me, i am about to convert our only one windows XP to a linux base. And Ubuntu is my 1st choice..and now this Ubuntu Studio is something should to try for a graphic designer.
    • creepysleepy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is good news for me as well. I'm NOT a geeky Linux user, but a heavy media consumer and producer. I'll load my Windows partition, and grab the Powerbook ONLY for my media tools. My day to day use is strictly Ubuntu. I've been looking for a Linux distro like this for quite a while as I want to use open-source exclusively, but depend on certain software for work.

      Feature request: podcast production software a la CastBlaster.

      ...and for the record, you can be as elitist as you want, but non-geeky Linux are ESSENTIAL for spreading the gospel.
  • Teaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If this has some decent plugins to rival my VST stuff then I'd happily switch straight away. Hopefully it will support a lot of the niche hardware too, such as a PODxt and M-Audio soundcards.
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The VST stuff it tricky. Its possible to do with WINE and Ardour but WINE really isnt the best solution. As far as niche hardware support, M-Audio and RME have pretty good linux support.

      We are not going after OSX/Apple in any way. Its not a goal. Its simple to showcase what linux currently offers and to make a single disk install. We are not a derivative, More a flavor. Made for people that want to install this on dedicated machines without all the desktop fluff.
    • Teaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't want to run my VST plugins, just something that matches them. i.e., compressors, EQs, limiters, etc. And support for my Line-6 stuff.
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ahh... I see. Well currently we have DSSI and LADSPA plugins which are nowhere near the VSTs. :(

      Things are early. You have to like linux to use it for production atm. If people expect something totally turn-key they'll be disappointed.
    • October, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2An awful lot of audio hardware is supported! I run an M-Audio Delta 44 and an M-Audio Midisport 4x4 and both work perfectly. I also had an Edirol PCR-M50 USB keyboard controller that was "plug and play" via USB. VST/i are a little tricky to get working but I really don't bother with them much. The linux native plugins do a fine job and there are an awful lot of them too. Google "LADSPA"

  • mrfrosti, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I really hope that if the multimedia applications in this flavor get enough attention that the community, or a commercial vendor looks at providing a group of applications that competes for Linux the same way that iLife competes for Apple. It really helped pull OS X into the spotlight - maybe it can do the same for Linux.
  • tallNT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I would consider switching to Ubuntu- If they had something that's as good as Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop CS3. Maybe a Ubuntu Studio for Photographers.
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If, if ... keep bugging Adobe to release a Linux version and stop whining around.
  • pixelfox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Ok, please, can a Linux person answer me this- why the hell do you need to make a new flavor of Ubuntu every time you want it to do something else? I use Blender at school on Ubuntu in an all-Ubuntu lab, but other people are running xubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu... why do you need so many different distros? How about instead of making a gazillion variations, package them *together*. OS X is a one size fits all OS, and Ubuntu is more closely running after them then they are Windows. Why not just try and create a iLife on linux alternative and package it with Ubuntu?
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Because Linux (and free open source software in general) is about having freedom of choice and many options and not about being bound to an authoritarian corporate monoculture.
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I really believe in self-education but Ill let clue you in. ;)

      Ubuntu - Uses Gnome for its desktop environment.
      kubuntu - Uses KDE for its desktop environment.

      The differences between these 2 is huge. Some say like a different OS.

      Xubuntu - Uses XFCE for its desktop environment.

      This Is close to Gnome but not quite. XFCE is alot lighter on resources and therefore aimed at older PCs who struggle with Gnome or KDE.

      Edubuntu - Uses Gnome but has a completely different aim than a desktop. Packages are much different. The UI is more kid friendly. And so on.

      Ubuntu Studio - Uses Gnome. We also have all the desktop apps striped out. This is meant for a dedicated media creation machine. On install it will give you a choice (remember that word. its important) of what you want to install.

      Also _all_ of our work goes into the Ubuntu repos. So no matter what flavor of Ubuntu you run you can easily grab our suite of applications.

      As for a separate disk? We wanted one. Simple. Thats what its about. "Choice." (theres that word again) Use it or dont. That simple. ;)

      In the end, keep a eye on http://ubuntustudio.org/ for more info.
    • raldz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4That's what's Open Source is all about... FREEDOM... presented with lots of choices, it's your task to choose what's right for you... that's what's life all about isn't it? choices...
    • regeya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Probably the same reason there's at least six different versions of Windows Vista and two different versions of OS X Tiger: Different needs for different users.

      Want to start with GNOME? Mainstream Ubuntu.

      Would rather gouge your eyes out before giving up KDE? Kubuntu.

      Running a low-resources desktop? Xubuntu. Want to set up an educational lab, maybe even set up thin clients? Edubuntu.

      There are more unofficial versions, but there's a few examples. And why have these rather than just having the user fire up apt-get? An alternative question: Why make them start with either a full GNOME desktop or a stripped-down "server" install if they want to start off with KDE?

      On the same token: Why make someone install the Corporate install of XP if they just need the features of Home? Or, horrors, make them install something equivalent to Home then upgrade to a Server product? Or what if Apple just released one version of OS X and made Server users perform an upgrade themselves?

      Different versions on CD make sense, and it makes sense to give them different names to make identification easier. Get a grip.
    • raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because, in the Linux distroverse, its less about the apps and more about the OS.

      They want to distribute all the apps in one giant package (in CD/DVD form, usually 600MB at the least), without seriously considering that they may not want a great deal of those apps, or that they may want to install apps which aren't available on that .iso but can only be installed once you know how to install a tarball from command-line scratch.

      The prevalent, yet unspoken, attitude concerning projects such as Ubuntu or OpenSuSE is "You take what we have in this distro, or go find another distro, or roll one yourself."

      Ubuntu just happens to accelerate that trend by creating a "version" for any desktop environment, religion, or application suite.

      IMO, that has nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with putting the chicken before the egg.
    • vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"why do you need so many different distros? How about instead of making a gazillion variations, package them *together*"

      because that would make the livecd/installer huge

      download the installer according to which DE you would like to use, then:

      sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
      sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
      sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
      etc ....

      then choose between them at login

      "OS X is a one size fits all OS"
      I guess I don't fit into that size then. I like OSX, but not as much as KDE
    • straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3regeya: That was an excellent post, until the unnecessary and condescending "get a grip" at the end. Any progress your post might have made at persuading someone was lost at that point. More flies with honey and all that jazz...
    • jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2My god. You all linux addicts just sound like pres. Bush.
      "freedom", right.
    • Meep3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Linux users are like vegans. You sympathise with them and understand their reasons, but at the end of the day you just just want to eat what you want to eat, not just a small subset it. You don't care enough about the politics of food to restrict yourself based on an ideal. Linux is about the ideals, the freedom, the gpl and all that jazz, but at the end of the day people will not use software just because it has a more ethical EULA.

      That is why Linux will never amount to much.
  • hepoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was just wondering, can you use "Ubuntu Studio" with Kubuntu?
  • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1RE: The Theme.

    Its a custom theme using the Murrine engine not based on any existing theme.

    Our icons are based on Tango.
    • Meep3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It looks like exactly like the theme used on Windows Media Player 11.
  • tripple-breve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If Linux adoption grows and people make enough noise at Adobe, they'll port their ***** to Linux.
    • MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Yeah, that's really gonna happen in the next 20 years /sarcasm

      I mean sure, users == power, but how many years are posts like that posted and nothing really happens?
  • raldz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm well off now using different distros on my computers... I love Linux... but still, number 1 on my wish list is version of Adobe-Macromedia products for Linux... I guess most of other Linux users will agree with me...
  • TwimA, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Professionals need professional tools, hobbyists need hobbyists tools. These rarely meet.
    As someone already pointed out, there are already industry standards almost everywhere, AVID, ProTools, Final Cut Pro, Photoshop (and the whole CreativeSuite package) etc.
    To cater to a professional audience you need to offer something more than these can, and in most cases, price will not be a selling point.

    I know i now sound as some troll trying to push down hobbyists work, that's not what i want to do. It is great i think that new options come out and give people the ability to choose. But for all the linux fanboys out there saying that linux is now ready for professional work due to such packages, you need a reality check :)
    • dooraque, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"But for all the linux fanboys out there saying that linux is now ready for professional work"

      Who's saying that, you troll? It's ready for the DESKTOP
      *duck*
    • coldstatue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3yes, it is ready to replace windows 95
  • kavaliro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I see a lot of comments about Final Cut Pro, Vegas, etc. Cinelerra _does_ fill that bill. You may not like the interface, you might be missing some plug-ins you use often, and you might not understand the workflow because you're used to something else, but cinelerra is pro-level, or pretty close to it.

    The same arguments could be made for other areas:

    Photoshop: GIMP would be there with just a few (albeit crucial) enhancements, such as pantone and/or CMYK. But between Xara LX and GIMP, you can safely be rid of Photoshop. There may be features you'll miss, but you _can_ get the job done.

    3D Studio Max: Blender3D takes a few weeks just to understand the interface. The workflow is totally different from any commercial package out there. Having said that, those are the only reasons not to use it. Once you do get a grip on the interface, Blender is extremely advanced. A model that would have taken me days to produce in Max only takes a few hours in Blender. Likely the main reason Blender isn't used more pro studios (it is used at least _some_) is that learning to use a new 3D package is a huge time investment, nearly comparable to learning a second language, so most pros only ever learn one.

    Indesign: Scribus is very capable. I've been following the development of Scribus for quite a while. As I see it, Scribus needs bleeds, which are in the cvs version now, so will be in the stable version soon. It produces a more advanced pdf than Adobe does. It's way, way, way better than Quark. It's not as good as InDesign. So one might say there's better software out there, but there's no denying that Scribus is in the "Pro" range.

    I won't touch sound, I know little about it, except to say the tools are there and I know of _many_ studios that use them. If studios are using them, success!

    Most professional web developers scorn WYSIWYG suites like Dreamweaver, so what we have is just fine for the pro, and NVU is more than capable for anyone who needs the GUI.

    The big, gaping hole in multimedia on Linux is none of the things mentioned so far. So what is the hole? Flash and Director. Multimedia just isn't multimedia without them. There's simply no replacement for them. AFAIK, there's not even a project on Sourceforge that would fit the bill, that lives. There's just nothing. If you want something to complain about, complain about that.
    • whackaxe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2you forgot Inkscape for vector editing :) this being said I won't torture myself to use Inkscape and GIMP for the sake of using FOSS, PS and Illus. still rule if you can afford them, but if you're doing any project on a shoestring budget this sounds great
    • ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can add some insight to sound.

      Ardour is a powerful pro-level DAW - http://ardour.org/
      Hydrogen is the most realistic drum machine I've ever heard - http://www.hydrogen-music.org/
      ReZound has everything that I loved about SoundForge, plus some - http://rezound.sourceforge.net/
      LMMS is a growing (still not stable, but VERY usable) synth program to compete with FruityLoops - http://lmms.sourceforge.net/

      I've switched my sound setup to Linux, and I've had NO reason to go back.
    • tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ugh. OK. Look, I know a lot of you like to justify OSS alternatives for pro apps and thats fine. Hell, I'm all for open source. But in regards to your 3DS Max comment, I'm going to have to call bull on it. It is virtually impossible for one app cut modeling down from DAYS to hours. You wanna compare hours? Fine, Blender might cut your modeling time down from 4 hours to 2 hours, but come on, days to hours? I find that hard to believe. I've used Max daily. I know people who use Max daily. Nothing is taking longer to do because Max was used over blender. something tells me you need to spend the amount of time learning the short cuts and timesavers that you found in blender and also search for them in Max.

      You're preaching just a wee bit too much...
  • crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The plan at the moment is:

    * Use only packages in official Ubuntu repositories"

    While this is a good idea, it probably won't be anything revolutionary. Linux just isn't very good for multimedia pros, and Ubuntu Studio isn't magically going to change that fact.

    Having said that... where can I get that theme?
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0No. Nothing has ever been said about being revolutionary. Ubuntu Studio wont change that.

      What we can do however is showcase the great apps that are out there. While I agree _some_ apps arent up to the same levels as others, they suit alot of people just fine in Hollywood for creating all kinds of things.

      So by getting alot of these apps noticed by using the most recognizable linux distro can go a long way for the individual apps. ie: Ardour2, Cinelerra, Inkscape, Blender, The GIMP and so on...

      Attention for the apps is the spotlight. If people realize they can do the same job with open-source why use something proprietary?

      And no. You cant have the theme.
    • jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3People just don't ***** care.
      They want the job done, and are ready to pay thousands of dollars for that.
    • Meep3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Funnily enough, if people are presented with a Cost vs Quality, most of the time they will go with Quality.
  • MrSunshine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3DROP THAT WEB2.0 LOGO!
    • crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Web 2.0 isn't necessarily bad. Let's wait and see if the distro is actually any good. If it is, we'll let it keep the logo.
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No. :)
  • Destrucci, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This would be great for pod casters that need to do a lot of audio editing but don't always have the money to purchase the expensive programs that they need.
  • renegadeafk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1whoa if all the auddio/video support works correctly it might finally switch me from windows
  • steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If I can through my 12Gb of music, 600Mb of Photos and 40Gb of video's on a hard drive and install this Ubuntu Studio and it all works out of the box, i'm there.
    • AddictedToMusic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This will not let you play your mp3s.
  • coldstatue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4well, please post a link if anyone ever creates a website explaining the features of the audio recording. I'm so sick of these wikis, and standards which say your product description must be written in the most boring and unintuitive manner known to man. See our great new screenshots in article III, subsection V., by recompiling the anushair module, as described by addendum 37: particle reflux in barren-womb subsystems and their accompanying redux marmaduke. .. Is this the announcement of a new product, or the ***** users manual for administering methodone? *****.
    • coldstatue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3sorry, replace "product" with "project", then flame the ***** out of me./

      I wouldn't be so bitter if I didn't love linux so much.
  • Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1find me a replacement for fl studio and ill jump right on. please no1 mention lmms either.
  • Meep3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Open source is generally shoddy, unfinished, unpolished and is so because pointing out any glaring mistakes, massive gotchas or just plain stupid design decisions just has the zealots going 'Linux isn't Windows get used to it', defending everything and refusing to admit that its anything less than 100% perfect. I tried using Linux (Ubuntu) a while back as my main system for web development and graphic design, and it's crap.

    For example if you enlarge the canvas in gimp you cannot paint outside the newly created area on any layers made before the canvas size change. Any new layers you can use the whole area, but the old layers are fixed with a bounding box. This is totally idiotic, counter-intuitive and so, so, Linux. It's idiotic behaviour. Not to mention the complete lack of any powerful tools (layer effects and the dozens of little things that make your life easier).

    Sure, you can do everything with GIMP you can do with Photoshop, but you can also do everything with VB6 that you can do with VC++, that doesn't automatically make them the 'same' or 'as good'.

    And I don't care that GIMP has 'More/better filters than Photoshop'. Apart from the blurs (gaussian, smart, normal) and sharpen, no self respecting graphics professional ever uses them except in rare occasions. The actual tools that count simply are not there, because it's made by programmers, not artists, and everyone thinks its wonderful because they can do some tacky brick effect.

    And Tango Noir is horrible.

    Seriously.
  • amoore260, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0KDEnLive looks to be a promising NLE for Linux http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/index.php There is really fast development for it. There is also a Ubuntu .deb for KDEnLive but it needs dependences. Here are some instructions for installing KDEnLive for Ubuntu.
    http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322916&highlight=kdenlive

    sudo aptitude install k3b dvdauthor dvgrab libxine1
    wget http://download128.mediafire.com/ottzmktnmlyg/ammoqj12nzn/kdenlive_mlt_ubuntu.zip
    unzip kdenlive_mlt_ubuntu.zip -d kdenlive
    cd kdenlive
    sudo dpkg -i mlt_cvs20070101_i386.deb
    sudo dpkg -i mlt++_cvs20070101_i386.deb
    sudo dpkg -i kdenlive_svn20070101_i386.deb

    I had a few bumps installing but it all worked fine!!
  • SpeKopuZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm not a fan of Ubuntu, but i like Linux, and this will be a great advance in that topic (media-audio-movies) that Linux world needed.
    Awesome Project
  • LOVEANDEQUALITY, on 03/29/2008, -0/+0neat!
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