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- happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+127I went to a high school for gifted kids, and LOTS of us were pissed off, isolated, and into metal.
We liked porn, too, but that's a different story...- snakesonasam, on 10/12/2007, -98/+11if this is true than why am i getting c's and d's
- mrwiggles123, on 10/12/2007, -58/+3nerds dont like death metal they like techno
- zachblume, on 10/12/2007, -43/+4I think by "heavy metal" they meant modern rock. Ala Hard rock, Grunge rock, post grunge, etc.
I don't think they really meant metal. - sucks, on 10/12/2007, -11/+41it would be a more believable study if they defined what exactly they intend by "metal"
i would call ac/dc punk and i would call staind crap - TwilightKing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+85Sorry for comment abuse, but this just needs to be pointed out. From TFA:
"The researchers surveyed 1,057 members of the National Academy for Gifted and Talented Youth - a body whose 120,000 student members are within the top five per cent academically in the 11-19 age range.
Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.
The heavy metal fans in the study had lower self-esteem and more difficulties in family relationships and friendships."
Are you kidding me? 6% does not justify a "link!"
Buried as lame. - navitatl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Finally it's clear to me. I'm a high school dropout, and I listen to stuff like Bjork.
- TheUngod, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10I wonder what kind of metal they're referring to. Some metal is pretty baseless and meant for just smashing things around. Some is great and amazing to listen to. Tristania, Tiamat, Theatre of Tragedy, etc. And of course Nightwish, when they used to rock, were beautiful to listen to. But bands like Stand? Korn? Come on now...
- drathosX3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32Is it me or do all nerds/geeks enjoy different types of music?
- incubusnb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19low grades aren't really a valid reference of intelligence, a lot of very smart people have low grades in K-12 and post-secondary. In many cases this can be associated with boredom and lack of interest. It doesn't really matter how smart you are, if you don't enjoy economics or biology, your not going to be motivated to learn it and will usually devote your time to learning something you enjoy doing.
Me for example, I don't consider myself a genius, but I have been considered quite intelligent by my peers, I consistently had low grades in K-12, but i spent a lot of my free time reading comp-sci manuals and references, most people i know consider me the "go-to-guy" for all their computer problems(despite my groans every time they do), but i still do not have my HS Diploma.
Currently I'm in college for Comp-sci, I got in because i spoke with the head of my course and was able to prove to him that despite my HS grades, i have a understanding of the fundamentals behind computers and already knew a few languages. I am consistently on the honor roll in college, yet in K-12 i was usually among the bottom half of my class in marks.
Grading students based on multiple choice testing and quantity of work done is not a valid representation of intellect, nor does intellect guarantee success in any industry. Your typical rig pig can explain to you the dynamics of how to extract oil from the earth, usually with a lot of detail, but don't expect them to find your coding error. A construction worker knows how to build a house and keep everything accurate down to an inch, but most of them could cook a gourmet dinner. A programmer can develop a large scale network application, but don't expect them to build you a house, get the construction worker to do that. - therightclique, on 10/12/2007, -25/+4this is BS. every metal head i've ever met was as close to retardation as you can get and still barely function in society. these people, in general, are not smart. that's not to say there aren't smart metal heads, but those people are the exception, not the rule. if you're looking for smart people within a musical genre, start at punk. people flock to bands like bad religion because they have intelligent progressive lyrics. most metal is about satan or slaying dragons. it doesn't inspire intellectual thought. some of the more symphonic metal is a bit different. some of those bands get crazy with the extremely intricate guitar parts and whatnot, but the lyrics almost always suck. dream theater is an immensely skilled band, but they don't have the creativity to do anything interesting with it, at least not in the vocal/lyrical side of things. after one or two songs, its like "enough"
- OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8EDIT: OOPS, TwilightKing posted practically the same thing while I was writing. Mod him up.
Hilarious. Digg got this directly from Slashdot. It was wrong there and it's wrong here too. Blatantly copying mistakes makes me laugh. - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1I've always thought Avril Lavigne was a misunderstood genius. I guess this study proves it!
- bluetrevian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Rock on! Metal loving geeks unite!
- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -20/+3RHAPSODY!!!!
CANNIBAL CORPSE!!!!
SLIPKNOT!!!!!
PANTERA!!!!!
SYSTEM OF A DOWN!!!!!
THATS REAL METAL!!!
(sooo rap makes you dumber and a posing fag who sides with the mainstream, am i correct?) - shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18@therightclique
Most punk songs are all just mindless 'down with the government' songs -- hey look, I can generalize too! True enough, many metal bands have rather less-than-stellar lyrics, but I can easily name a plethora of metal bands that all have intelligent and deep lyrics as well - a lot of the less radio-friendly bands deal with subjects such as philosophy, religion (not satan), metaphysics, nature, folklore, etc. One of my favorite bands, Agalloch, has an album that deals entirely with Native American mythology and culture.
Oh, and Slipknot is not metal :P - incubusnb, on 10/12/2007, -17/+11"this is BS. every metal head i've ever met was as close to retardation as you can get and still barely function in society"
some bands to read lyrics from:
Killswitch engage
36 Crazyfists
System of a down
Trivium
Stone sour
Rage Against the machine(admitted, ROTM has some R&B and punk influences as well)
Mudvayne
Hatebreed(sounds violent, but some very insightful lyrics imo)
Marilyn Manson (look past the image, read the lyrics, this man is brilliant)
And thats just the tip of the iceberg, to presume that metal is devoid of intellectual material is ignorant. - superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I always thought that. All of the more intelligent people I know are more into rock, alt. rock, metal, ect.
And if you want your head to hurt, read the lyrics to Muse songs, some of the stuff is wicked symbolic.
Then again, I get my TI on once in awhile - Hippo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3FINALLY! The someone else can back me up on this. I've been listening to heavy metal and techno for a long while and people think I'm either weird, goth, nerdy, and a combination of the three. I prefer just weird and nerdy which reminds me of a good weird al song :-D. I also have good grades so this helps a lot! Thanks for the article!
- incubusnb, on 10/12/2007, -15/+1I don't care if your world is ending today
Because I wasn't invited to it anyway
You said I tasted famous, so I drew you a heart
But now I'm not an artist I'm a ***** work of art
I've got an F and a C and I got a K too
And the only thing that's missing is a bitch like yoU
You wanted perfekt
You got your perfekt
But now I'm too perfekt for someone like you
I was a dandy in your ghetto with
A snow white smile and you'll
Never be as perfekt whatever you do
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
(ah ah, ah ah)
(ah ah, ah ah)
I am a bonetop, a death's head
On a mopstick
You infected me, took diamonds
I took all your *****
Your "sell-by date" expired,
So you had to be sold
I'm a suffer-genius and
Vivi-sex symbol.
You wanted perfekt
You got your perfekt
But now I'm too perfekt for someone like you
I was a dandy in your ghetto with
A snow white smile and you'll
Never be as perfekt whatever you do
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
(ah ah, ah ah)
(ah ah, ah ah)
I've got an F and a C and I got a K too
And the only thing that's missing is yoU
I've got an F and a C and I got a K too
And the only thing that's missing is a bitch like yoU
I've got an F and a C and I got a K too
And the only thing that's missing is a bitch like yoU
I am a dandy in the ghetto with a snow white smile
Super-ego bitch, I've been evil awhile
I am a dandy in the ghetto with a snow white smile
Super-ego bitch, I've been evil awhile
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT
What's my name, what's my name?
(ah ah, ah ah)
Hold the S because I am an AINT - blinkingbear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@incubusnb
Most intelligent people realize that life isn't about only doing what you like 100% of the time and that getting good grades is the easier way to excel. Even if you like programming there will still be tasks in the real world that will seem just as tedious (if not more) than high school did. While you may have found a back door into college, you should realize that university projects are not what you will be doing after you graduate (unless you don't want to make money). I don't hear many high school graduates saying "if I could do it all over again I would have dropped out of high school". - SmokingPlunger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ sucks - AC/DC punk? You've got be joking. Blondie and Talking Heads were more punk than AC/DC. AC/DC were pure rock
- navitatl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@blinkingbear
I will forever be an advocate of dropping out of high school. Some kids simply don't belong in a classroom.
Take my story for example. I was miserable during my freshman and sophomore years. Class was such a waste of time, and I ended up ditching and smoking weed just to be able to deal with my frustration. After sophomore year, I dropped out and started going to my local community college.
Sounds like a ***** ending? That's not it.
I was 16, and I discovered the amazing thing that is "Internet Freelancing". I used my writing and coding skills to establish a huge portfolio, and I started getting enough weekly jobs to earn more money than my HS teachers. We're talking a 50k salary for a 16 year old high school dropout. Then I was able to fulfill my dream of traveling the world.
Staying in High School stomps out the passions of kids. My passions were writing, coding, and traveling. By dropping out of HS I was able to pursue those passions.
Kids who stay in high school learn to put their passions aside in favor of slaving away and completing all of the *****.
***** high school. And this isn't coming from one of the punk anti-establishment kids. This is coming from a relatively successful person who, if he could do it over, wouldn't even have wasted the 2 years that he did. - Chicken2nite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6God damn rights AC/DC were rock. They knew how to play the instruments.
I'm not bashing punk or anything, but it's a well known fact that the Ramones and The Sex Pistols didn't really know how to play guitar, unlike Angus Young who can play Thunderstruck one handed.
- trilioth, on 10/12/2007, -15/+29There is nothing better than music with a political message, and usually in protest to bad policy. System of a Down is an all time favorite.
- happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Well said. I'd nominate Metallica's "And Justice For All," Slayer's latest "Christ Illusion" and pretty much anything by Rage Against The Machine.
- Winters, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Kiddie Metal
- Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -17/+10Gonna have to go with Winter's there. System of a Down isn't that great.
- zachblume, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Worst. Singer. Of all time.
- bigstinky, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20My 5 year old son loves Slayer, lamb of god and Mastodon. He used to tap his toes to System when he was a baby. Maybe it's the Motorhead, Maiden and old AC/DC my wife and I used to jam in the car while she was pregnant.
He's in kindergarten and reads at a 5th grade level.
Metal always helped me cope as a kid. Back then it was the NUGE' and KISS was a favorite as well...Granted, the Nuge and Kiss weren't overly "metal" - starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@Winters
Do you feel better now?
I agree, *obscure metal band that has not made it" is way better. - phatvolvo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6MANOWAR!
- carloto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7political message?... MEGADETH!!!!
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the thing that makes a lot of metal bands "smart" is not that they have a strong political message (although a bunch of bands do have major political themes), but that they advocate individuality and questioning authority in everything they sing about. The gruesome blasphemy, the insanity, the images of hell, the perversity, they all reek of crushing the social norm, of advocating strength in all of it's forms, of being all the you that you can be.
- dudeman88, on 10/12/2007, -13/+11I'm going to have to agree. All the "gifted" kids I know listen to heavy metal.
PS: Queens of the Stone Age for the win.- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49Queens of the Stone Age isn't metal it's stoner rock.
I love 'em but they don't fit in this context. - ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Oddly enough, I also definitely notice this. Every single smart person I know is heavily into heavy metal music. The more they're into it, the smarter they are. It's really weird...
- ODSTKuk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@ilyad
Thats pretty weird, I was the only one in the class that listens to Heavy Metal. Everyone else was either rock or Pop. I was close to the top. Maybe its because i was in a catholic school and it was "against our religion" to listen to heavy metal.
Thats what our school priest said. fricking conservative basturd - MrFatalistic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2ok the world can blow up now, stoner rock is an actual genre...
- samarisi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ odstkuk
for being "close to the top" of your class, you sure didn't learn how to spell "bastard". - redivider, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Queens of the Stone Age isn't metal it's stoner rock."
Does anyone else see how ridiculous things like this sound? Maybe it's just me but arguing about what is and isn't metal and coming up with inane "genres" like "stoner rock" is a complete waste of time.
"Slipnot isn't metal," some other genius with way too much time on his hands declared.
Oh really? Because you said so? So anyone who wants to call it metal is now wrong? Does that Slipknot album sound any different depending on what you call it? None of that ***** matters. Obviously some people don't like Slipknot. That doesn't mean they get to decide if the band is allowed in the "metal" category or not, as if that has any bearing on anything anyway.
I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that we all agree that Slipknot isn't metal. Now what? Do all the "real" metalheads have a quiet little chuckle to themselves and pat each other on the back? Is there any real follow up to that or is it, like I suggested, just a huge waste of time?
- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49Queens of the Stone Age isn't metal it's stoner rock.
- RoacXIII, on 10/12/2007, -22/+4I'm 3 years ahead of my class in English and 2 in Math. I'm also very good at all our classes and usually get grades in the range of 9-10 on a 0-10 scale. In addition to all that I'm a proud metalhead!!! m/o_om/
- tdk2fe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35Wait until you get to a university and people expect you to do actual thinking.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@RoacXIII
Well, since you're apparently three years ahead of your class in English, I have no problem nit-picking.
"In addition to all that I'm a proud metalhead!!!"
There should be a comma in that sentence. It should read, "In addition to all that, I'm a proud metalhead!!!" - KillerJ59J, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8manitoba98xp: In my opinion, intelligent people don't overuse exclamation marks; therefore, I think it should read, 'In addition to all that, I'm a proud metalhead!'
- saranagati, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0intelligent people also don't write out contractions
"In addition to all that, I am a proud metalhead!"
(obviously i'm not intelligent) - elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And intelligent people don't use smilies.
- whorelock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm sure this scenario is not limited to just those kids who listen to heavy metal. The same can probably be said about kids who listen to punk, indie, jazz, classic, etc...
- happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1That's probably true.
- tcybulski, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2gifted indie kids are the new gifted metalheads
- TheUngod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Punk and Indie are all over the place. You can find either at the very high and very low ends of intelligence.
- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6people who listen to indie are mostly stoners and starving artists. Jazz listeners and classical listeners are smart
- superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4pretty much anything non-standard is listend to by intelligent students
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1many metalheads like myself who are not afraid to admit it listen to classical; after all, the classical roots in metal are fairly obvious, they share many elements.
- thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+51http://fark.pbwiki.com/f/Mosh-Girl-Orginial.jpg
- skatastrophy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I lol'd :)
Those two guys behind her look genuinely terrified :P - Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I think that the girl's shirt was coming up from behind and the guys saw what lurked beneath it.
- starcrunchfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Honestly, the one guy looks like he went to the Jim Carrey school of acting.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1looks like she's trying to skank, but I think she's probably at the wrong show
- PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@mancat
Actually she looks like Quasimodo trying to goose step.
- skatastrophy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I lol'd :)
- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48Real metal isnt godsmack and staind.
- salvadordali, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Agreed,those groups are simpleminded posers.
- nj12nets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You can say that about most genres of music, what ever the person likes is usually what's used I don't see how they can judge it by one genre.
- PresidentSoup, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Dugg for mention of DragonForce!
- hydrosnowman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Hell, I dugg it for mentioning Iron Maiden.
- incubusnb, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7Dragon Force is crap
that is all... - trivialmaggot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9can't forget Tool. awesome song writing and musical style.
- MaxwellTD, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6dragonforce is not metal, there is no way in hell.
they have amazing talent, but i cant stand the singing... it sounds like the ***** pokemon intro
i personally dont like it, but it is not metal.
System of a Down isn't really "Metal" either...
i love system of a down, but it just isn't metal.
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The black dahlia murder
Cannibal corpse
Dimmu Borgir
Cradle of filth
burn the priest
decapitated
OLD children of bodom
Carcass
are a few of my favorite metal bands, no doubt about it - oriolesfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@ maxwelltd
Congratulations on giving a list consisting purely of DEATH metal bands. Believe it or not, there are other genres of metal too! Take Power Metal for instance, which DragonForce fits into perfectly along with Blind Guardian, Hammerfall, etc.
Oh and as an aside, I've seen DragonForce in concert and they're absolute *****. Singer is even worse in real life. - MaxwellTD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@oriolesfan
... not even half of those are death metal...
The black dahlia murder - Metalcore
Cannibal corpse - Death metal
Dimmu Borgir - Black metal
Cradle of filth - Black metal
burn the priest - Thrash/ metalcore
decapitated - Death metal
OLD children of bodom - Alt. metal/ black/ a little death, combined....
Carcass - Death metal
The black dahlia murder, Dimmu borgir, and cannibal corpse... they all sound COMPLETELY different. - SPLASTiK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Cradle of Filth and Black Metal should never be uttered in the same sentence. Even calling Dimmu Borgir black metal is pushing it these days with what they've been releasing lately.
- Pyroteq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Did you just call Dragonforce crap, then say you like Cradle Of Filth? Wow.
- bitkari, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Bollocks. It's just that the sort of kids that are into metal in the UK these days are usually very middle class.
- Lawrencetom, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1This is sooo rite on ! Al my smart frends an me lissen to Haevy metael musick !
- itsbecca, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37It was Punk for me, but several of my friends were into metal. Another possible headline for this article would be "Anyone with half a brain does not listen to [predominantly] mainstream music".
- bloodomen13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The Clash, Ramones, Social Distortion, Stiff Little Fingers, The Exploited, Cramps, TSOL, GBH, Agent Orange, The Vandals
- VillaStraylight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30Dëthkløk forever.
- TheUngod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nathan does have his honorary PHD...
- MaxwellTD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Cannibal Corpse- FTW, they play for Dethklok
- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Anal *****!
- saranagati, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i don't think anyones done a cover as well as anal ***** covered 'stayin' alive'
- fober, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Nobody said smart people had good taste in music.
- traicer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5
Hatebreed Ftw- ronh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hatebreed is more hardcore then metal. Still love Hatebreed though.
- redivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry. They're neither.
Hatebreed is HateCore. (Not to be confused with HatCore, a new genre that doesn't actually have any bands in it yet, but is aggressively seeking new applicants. Two rules: Loud guitars. Huge hats. Bring it on.)
BFF,
The Genre Police
- JohnnyRad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21since everybody's bragging:
I graduated highschool in 1.5 years, college in 3. Nobel Prize at age 19, millionare by 22. What's my secret? The Locust.- SilverSnayke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Helllll yeah!
- SelfAbortion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They're ***** nuts. And I like it.
- luvs2spooge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yessss!
The Locust are among my favorite bands. "New Erections" is incredible!
I wouldn't say I'm into heavy metal, but I love noise core and a bit of metal core. I'm also 15 and in college (not to brag, just to prove the article's point).
Overall, I hate "mainstream" music but I enjoy every kind of music from rap, to indie, to metal core. - redivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Locust isn't metal. They're Bug Rock.
Thank you,
The Genre Police
- tehjarvis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Mastodon's Leviathan is one of the best albums EVER.
- redivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dude, Mastodon isn't metal. They're Post-Hard-Math-Metal-Core.
You've been warned.
Love,
The Genre Police
- redivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dude, Mastodon isn't metal. They're Post-Hard-Math-Metal-Core.
- euphemizeme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Here's another, better assessment of the situation:
People who listen to anything other than rap are gifted.
(I listen to one hell of a lot of rap)- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I completely disagree, I recently completed my master's degree and I'm about to start my own business and I listen to pretty nothing but rap and trip hop
It's beyond me how someone can't see the greatness of a wutang clan or a gangstarr... - hotinhurr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0awww not true! People who listen to rap can be smart too!! (and i'm sure you're perfectly intelligent!)
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I completely disagree, I recently completed my master's degree and I'm about to start my own business and I listen to pretty nothing but rap and trip hop
- solvable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I know only one person who listens to heavy metal/black metal.
And she's a student at one of the best colleges in Texas studying History.
Everyone else I know isn't in college, Everyone else I know doesn't listen to metal.
I guess I will self-medicate myself with some Slayer. - Horseboiler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1One of my friends who's a metalhead isn't very bright and neither is his girlfriend who also happens to be a metalhead. So I have to disagree with this, but it could just be them.
- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Anecdotal evidence proves nothing on its own...how do I know this?
I like DevilDriver.
- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Anecdotal evidence proves nothing on its own...how do I know this?
- SlayerKid99, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2lol I'm a HUGE heavy metal fan, too.
- solvable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23I would have never guessed, "SlayerKid99".
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31I guess that explains all the retards who watch American Idol.
- SelfAbortion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21How does this study account for Metallica and Korn's fanbase?
- salvadordali, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Metallica is a lame, pathetic puppet show of what they used to be, which was all-out metal-deity badasses with intelligent, very creative music.
Listen to anything before the "Black Album".
They are sold-out fake lamo poseurs now.
I'm in my 30's & they kicked ass like no one's business back then. I don't know what happened. Sad, I wonder if Cliff would have gone along with them when they changed. - TomSpearSix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Korn isn't metal? Am I the only one who thinks they are hard rock?
- redivider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because they're Not Metal (not "not metal". it's a new genre: Not Metal).
Love,
The Genre Police - darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1same thing happened to Machine Head, IMO one AMAZING album that is one of my favorites, then a whole bunch of poser-stuff
- salvadordali, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Metallica is a lame, pathetic puppet show of what they used to be, which was all-out metal-deity badasses with intelligent, very creative music.
- thewump, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I bet it also found that "many adolescent "metalheads" are extremely dumb and often START METAL BANDS to help them deal with the stresses and strains of being useless at everything else"
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1so where do you fit in? do you listen to arrogant rock.
- tcybulski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Asked for their favourite type of music, 39 per cent said rock, 18 per cent R&B and 14 per cent pop. Six per cent said heavy metal and a third rated it in their top five genres.
The heavy metal fans in the study had lower self-esteem and more difficulties in family relationships and friendships."
Wait. so only 6% said heavy metal was their favorite? And yet the geek community goes "OH! THERE'S A LINK!!!" The study didn't really find anything except that gifted metalheads are also more sociopathic.- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1It's higher than in the general population...therefore there is a link.
- mustbepatient, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This study doesn't make sense - would any of the metalheads you know have joined an organization for gifted students?
- elfprince13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16glossing over the fact that rock scored over 33 percent higher......
- mrlyons, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2The valedictorian of my graduating class is a metal head. He's currently in Electrical Engineering and will be working for AMD when he graduates from U of Illinois. :D
- SelfAbortion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Here's to you, Mr. Unnecessary Personal Anecdote Man.
- Peynis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10this study still doesn't make metalheads any less intolerant and arrogant :(
- glui2001, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I wouldn't agree with the article entirely. There are a lot of metalheads that are losers. Usually the gifted people I notice are the ones who listen to prog metal. It's like snob metal! LOL
- therightclique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i was going to digg you but you actually said "lol" and meant it. are you 12 and on AOL?
- tehjarvis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Maybe it has to do with the fact that metal goes against the grain of society, and the majority of smarter people can see that mainstream society is full of morons.
- decades, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I agree. A lot of smart people I know listen to metal, as do I. Some people can listen to anything just to be cool or 'in with it', but to understand and enjoy bands like Isis, Meshuggah, Nile, Behemoth, Dream Theater, Megadeth, Pantera, Strapping Young Lad et al, you are smart, but I think we're just wiser too.
- Soldan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dream Theater is the official shiznit... the tour they had with queensryche and the one with faith no more rocked....
- Soldan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dream Theater is the official shiznit... the tour they had with queensryche and the one with faith no more rocked....
- EviLiu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11They say that classical music makes you smarter. Metal and rock and other similar things are the closest modern music to classical, so in my view, I see a connection.
- CycloneNimrod, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Rock Cycle On!
@ Eviliu: How are hardcore solo's anywhere near for example, the baroque period of music? - mrwilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2When I was a teenager the vast majority of gifted students listened to pop music if anything, The metal heads repeated grades/ took vocation training/ or dropped out. Perhaps they meant special needs students
- montyjs, on 11/07/2007, -0/+12I think one thing that a lot of people are missing is that bands like Korn isn't all that metal has to offer. Take into account artists such as Yngwie J. Malmsteen, who draws major influence from Bach and Mozart, or Michael Romeo of Symphony X, who is a virtuoso of guitar. Many metal bands have classical influences, and it would make sense that an intelligent teen would enjoy this because it has all the complexity and intelligence of classical music, and the driving force and aggression of modern rock music.
- bigstinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*People are going to digg you down because they don't get it. Metal bands tend to have extremely talented musicians. Extreme musical talent equals high intelligence if you ask me. Maybe not physicist smarts, but smarts nonetheless. Go ahead, deny the fact that lamb of god has one of the most talented drummers (let alone their guitarists) in all of music today. You cannot. Maybe you don't like the music, but those who can appreciate skill would agree with me...And there are many many more examples.
*They were when I first replied. - ElectricFuneral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yes, some one else that sees the connection. i am a die hard metal fan, but i also like to explore other music. recently i've been listening to alot of classical stuff. i've always recognized the connection but until recently didn't totally realize. after listening to some of that stuff, then listening to some old school metal (thrash especially, well aside from the "virtuosos") you can really see the musical talent it takes to write (some) metal.
- Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Go ahead, deny the fact that lamb of god has one of the most talented drummers (let alone their guitarists) in all of music today. You cannot. Maybe you don't like the music, but those who can appreciate skill would agree with me...And there are many many more examples."
I'm not a big fan of metal. The closest things to metal I listen to are Primus and Rage Against the Machine (neither or which I would fully claim to be metal, as their sound is way too different). And I think it's because heavy metal focuses too much on two instruments, guitar and drums. It sort of bores me when the bassist only plays on the same beats as the bass drum or something similar to one of the guitar players or straight eighth notes. It's like they decided to get talented people on a couple of the instruments and then find another guitar player and hand him a bass. It's annoying, and I see little value to it.
That's not to say all metal bands are bereft of a good bassist. Isn't Dream Theater (who I don't listen to) considered metal? I hear they have a great bass player.
Anyway, I think it's a fair observation to make. - bigstinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Bleeblaow
The bass in metal does tend to get buried. Prime example is "And Justice For All" by Metallica. Lately though, the bass has been brought up a notch or two. Mudvayne, which is considered "nu-metal" has a great bass player. Check out some of Buckethead's stuff where your boy Les tears it up. Bands like Dillinger escape plan, Mastodon, UNEARTH, Himsa all have reputable Bass men. It's out there, you just have to find it.
Not everyone is going to like or understand metal. It's a totally different mindset. Personally, I like all music. Old jazz like Coltrane, Thelonious etc, Funk like Parliament, old classics like the Police, Devo etc. I won't limit myself to just one genre.
...But metal, it speaks to me. And if you're metal, you're metal for life. - Stephiems, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think it really depends on which type of metal you are talking about. A lot of things that pass for metal today are disgustingly horrible. A bunch of guys who think that if they play really fast and scream a lot no one will notice they aren't in time and that they suck. REAL metal like Judas Priest, Man o' War, Iron Maidan, Black Sabbath and other bands that might be classified as metal like Rainbow and Yngwie Malmsteen had and do have amazingly talented musicians. A lot of older rock bands had classically trained musicians though. For some reason when you play classical-like music on a guitar, people don't count it.
- bigstinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*People are going to digg you down because they don't get it. Metal bands tend to have extremely talented musicians. Extreme musical talent equals high intelligence if you ask me. Maybe not physicist smarts, but smarts nonetheless. Go ahead, deny the fact that lamb of god has one of the most talented drummers (let alone their guitarists) in all of music today. You cannot. Maybe you don't like the music, but those who can appreciate skill would agree with me...And there are many many more examples.
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Correlation does not equal causation.
The ***** music itself probably doesn't make you any smarter.- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Hence the word "linked."
Maybe if you listened to metal you would know the difference between "causes" and "linked."
- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Hence the word "linked."
- matthewdestroys, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1shred the math metal baby!
check out 'the Dilinger escape plan' - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think that Lars Ulrich proves that there is no connection between love of metal and being gifted unless you mean Rainman "gifted".
- bdurkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The only thing Lars Ulrich proves is that just because you are in a metal band doesn't mean your not a pussy.
- ElectricFuneral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7lars ulrich doesn't love metal, look what has become of metallica.
- bdurkin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Kid: Mortal Kombat, on Sega Genesis, is the best video game ever.
Billy Madison: I disagree, it's a very good game, but i think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
Kid: Donkey Kong sucks.
Billy Madison: You know something? YOU SUCK! - satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It is extremely unlikely that there is a direct relationship here. Lots of smart people like classical. So what? The music you listen to does not define who you are or how intelligent you are. I like metal, but it doesn't make me any smarter (have you listened to the lame lyrics?).
Damn. And, the number who said heavy metal was their favorite was 63 out of 1057. Obviously conclusive results. [/sarcasm]- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it doesnt make you smart but it shows you have the self-awareness to carve your own path instead of assimilating into this MTV-fed ***** generation. Nothing in genuine anymore.
- meatcurtains, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2FINNTROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! m/
- ElectricFuneral, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1m/
- Jotunx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Well, I listen to Gothenburg's melodic death metal and plenty of Norwegian Black Metal. I always figured that following all 5 or 6 instruments at once perhaps was more stimulating to my mind as opposed to generic pop music and other genres.
- salvadordali, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I was one of those "gifted", shy kids listening to Maiden,megadeth, metallica, slayer Suicidal Tendencies, Exodus, etc.
All you people saying "I don't know what kind of metal they're talking about.." - They say Iron Maiden and AC/DC and groups influenced by them right at the start.
This is from the UK where Maiden is still one of the most popular bands.
I wouldn't consider AC/DC metal, but hard rock, and pretty mediocre as well.
Though Maiden is a now just a shadow of their former glory, their first seven albums F*k'n rule!!
Come on you Irons!! - friedcalamari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2FALCONER!!!!
- meatcurtains, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@therightclique
"Satan and slaying dragons" DUH!!!!
You are an idiot! You probably listen to Blink 182 and call it punk...LMAO - johnwesely, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Although metal musicians are generally talented the music it self is not really musical, just really fast.
- salvadordali, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Try listening to Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Phantom of the Opera, Moonchild, or a dozen other masterworks of metal by Iron Maiden and you'll be quite surprised, I'm sure.
- keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3not musical? listen to dream theater, rhapsody, children of bodom, system of a down. and you tell me that thats not musical. If youre idea of music is some whiny bitch over-dubbed 8 times to make harmony, then thats not music.
- dyslexicsUNTIED, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. so i dont have to type it over go look down a bit at my other comment.
- DrScott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6MOTORHEAD!!!
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AGORAPHOBIC NOSEBLEED!!!!
DEATH!!!!
(just off the topa my head, plus they haven't been mentioned yet)
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AGORAPHOBIC NOSEBLEED!!!!
- meatcurtains, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0SORRY IT DIDN'T TYPE!!!
m/------there, jerk. - TheGuruStud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ theungod
I guess you don't know what a single KoRn song is about or even know the lyrics. No bitching unless you're informed on the subject you're talking about. -
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