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'Hip Hop Sucks for Glastonbury' Oasis Gallagher Criticized

news.bbc.co.uk — There were 100,000 tickets sold for Glastonbury on the first day, but in past years all tickets had sold out in a matter of hours. "If you start to break it then people aren't going to go. I'm sorry, but Jay-Z? No chance. "Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music..." "...I'm not having hip hop at Glastonbury. It's wrong."

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  • jansie, on 04/14/2008, -39/+83yeah man hippety hop sucks ;)
    • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -27/+14I'd say Oasis and hip-hop are equally damaging to the psyche.
    • dissurmom, on 04/14/2008, -17/+3NO U R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • topgigmedia, on 04/14/2008, -9/+8seriously tho... Aren't people getting a little burned out on contemporary, mainstream hip NOT and C-Rap? Especially when it pushes out other genres from playing venues that don't even really suit it?
    • BossKey, on 04/14/2008, -2/+9His "...has a tradition of guitar music..." comment is full of crap.
      Anybody who knows Glastonbury knows that electronic music is a huge part of the tradition!

      Maybe he should have said "white music" if that's what he really meant.

      (Though I'm not a fan of hip hop, myself.)
      • carrio110, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3"White music"? Bit racially divisive isn't it? I'm sure there are plenty of black guys who listen to and are in rock/guitar bands and vice versa.

        Rock/Guitar music stands.
        • BossKey, on 04/15/2008, -1/+4You don't get it. I DIDN'T say it WAS white music. I was making a remark about what sort of line Noel is trying to draw, since Glastonbury actually has an extremely well-established history of NON-guitar music. (Legendary Glastonbury concerts by Orbital and Chemical Brothers, anyone?)

          It seems that you and others subtracting diggs from my post do not understand the difference. Don't be knee-jerk inverse racists who react blindly to words without actually reading the whole sentence.
    • Ataxia2008, on 04/14/2008, -1/+6Fact of the matter is...I don't think the Glasto guards will let in Black people anyway. You have to earn over £25k and drive a Ford Mondeo just to get a chance of buying a ticket! Seriously, read the T&C's
      • jerrycan, on 04/14/2008, -0/+13USA Translation.....Make over $60,000 USD and drive......a Ford Contour? DAMN YOU BABELFISH!
        • execute85, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1$60,000 is next week's exchange rate. This week, £25k is worth $49,400.
    • phazon88, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2Rock sucks and this comes from someone who knows what they're talking about I've heard Nickelback on the radio and they suck, therefore I conclude Rock sucks.
      • johnboycanada, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0Nickelback sucks! Big time. Rock is still awesome. Do yourself a favour man, listen to Morning Glory, Cigarettes and Alcohol or Live Forever by Oasis. Then conclude rock sucks and I'll say we have different taste. And by the way... I like Jay-Z, he amps me up but his music is pop not hip-hop and very much of the time it lacks artistic integrity.
      • Ravatar, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1Go listen to Reasonable Doubt then come back and tell us Jay-Z is pop.

        Fool.
    • Sophistifunk, on 04/14/2008, -3/+3Kids today, with their bippin and their boppin and their hippin and their hoppin!

      Get off my lawn!

      Seriously tho, Jay-Z > Oasis
  • joannaerina, on 04/14/2008, -57/+41Does anyone have a time machine so we can go back 10 years to when Noel Gallaghers opinions may have been relevant?
    • amigiac, on 04/14/2008, -2/+70Does anyone remember 50cent at Reading? Rock festivals are Rock festivals, Glasto isn't a Rock festival but the Pyramid headliner is another matter. Bad things happen when inappropriate acts are booked... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL1dvdGoOvk
      • gnews, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12Same thing happened in Hyde Park at the Chili Peppers concert when the "Chicks on Speed" opened for them.
        • Ataxia2008, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3I was there at Hyde Park too. I feel I contributed in getting that ***** off the stage.
      • noots, on 04/14/2008, -3/+20i'm suprised JZ is performing at Glastonbury. It seems he will suffer the same fate.

        for the record, there is mostly piss in those bottles.
      • LostRiot, on 04/14/2008, -1/+12However you're forgetting that the people in the crowd at glastonbury aren't complete pricks,if they don't want to see an act, they go else where, (with about 75 stages there is a lot of 'elsewhere'). At reading there are about 4 proper stages so people are more likely to go just to be dicks, also, they are mostly angry emo kids.

        also, 50 cent is much more of a ***** than jay-z
      • uncwidiot, on 04/14/2008, -4/+5I dugg you up just for the pleasure of watching that no talent ass-clown get booed off stage.
      • daimposter, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2i was waiting for the inevitable rick roll link and was pleasantly surprised I wasn't fooled.....this time.
    • doublebummer, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3You mean, back when they were ripping off the Beatles?
  • darkchild82, on 04/14/2008, -20/+113Its true, modern day hip-hop sucks. Naughty By Nature fo' life!
    • jessestorm, on 04/14/2008, -13/+18Popular hip-hop sucks, not modern day hip-hop.
      Besides, this isn't about whether or not rap sucks anyway - it's about the invasion of one music form over another into a traditional setting. Even if the show doesn't sell out, people are still buying tickets, and I'm sure Jay-Z will treat the venue with respect knowing full well what the traditional tunes are.
      • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -15/+13No your wrong modern day hip-hop sucks... i could care less how big your house is, how many drugs you have sold, and how many bitches you can *****. That is all the new ***** is. At least when 2pac or bone thugs talked about drugs it wasn't that they were bragging... it was just part of their life
        • ghindo, on 04/14/2008, -4/+17If you think modern hip-hop sucks, you're not looking NEARLY hard enough.
        • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -3/+23Way to generalize asshat. Have you listened to ANYTHING Outkast has put out in the last decade? I'd say they are more innovative than 90% of "rock" musicians out there. See also The Roots, Anti-Pop Consortium, Gnarles Barkley, Guru Jazzmataz, Madlib, Danger Mouse...

          Almost all mainstream music is complete *****. If the rap they play on the radio is your frame of reference for judging an entire genre of music, you opinion is meaningless.
          • execute85, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2What about Zipperdedabo and Jalogikpu and Boobaz5000? They're 90% more innovative than the Roots.
        • walkingdogs, on 04/14/2008, -1/+4You are confusing modern day Rap for modern day Hip-Hop. They are 2 different genres but most don't get that. And to add to Unicronband's list I display other examples of good modern day hip-hop, Common, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Brother Ali, Lupe Fiasco, Del the Funky Homosapien, Jurassic 5, Sean Price...
        • Rheic, on 04/14/2008, -0/+8 It's not just confusing rap for hip hop, it's also confusing the mainstream of a genre for the entire genre. You might as well write off rock music just because Nickelback and Linkin Park are *****. Adding to the list... Aesop Rock, El-P, Cannibal Ox, Madvillian, Mr Lif. See if any of those have ever rapped about "how many bitches they can *****" you ignorant arsewipe.
        • machocheese34, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Lupe's last album is amazing
    • halobender, on 04/14/2008, -4/+8Ghetto boys and Public Enemy are personal favorites and by how I wrote that you can tell I'm white.
      • execute85, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2Those bands are spelled Geto Boys and Pubic Enema.
    • dissurmom, on 04/14/2008, -5/+3Geto
    • jonmlm, on 04/14/2008, -2/+12modern day? like as opposed to that 19th century hip hop?
      • mdinire, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3People make the distinction between "old skool" and "new skool" Hip Hop because the overall sound changed so much. From every "beat" being made with drum machines to having a live bands to using software and artists using single syllable raps to more complex verses with inner rhymes etc.
        • jonmlm, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1yes. but like you said. it's old school versus new school. it's all "modern day"
    • apraxia, on 04/14/2008, -2/+8Yeah, I'm a fan of prehistoric hip-hop myself.
    • loki440, on 04/14/2008, -11/+85Today's hip hop sucks because the music is so ***** formulaic. I feel like I've heard the same song for the last fifteen years. Here's the formula to 80% of all hip-hop:

      1. Claim to be the world's best MC. Your claim should include boasts of sexual prowess or physical toughness(preferably both).

      2. State that all other MCs are either substandard or homosexual. Threatening violence is ok.

      3. Reference your high net worth.

      4. Describe in detail the material goods your high net worth affords you. For example, the size of your car's rims.

      5. Include at least one reference to a nightclub. Make sure it contains the words "Cristal" and "VIP".

      6. Don't forget the hoes. You can't spell "hip-hop" without "ho" know what I'm sayin'?

      7. Describe how hoes are impressed with either: a) the size of your financial estate, b) the size of your *****, or c) both.

      8. Boast bout how your large (*****/financial estate/both) enabled you to have sexual relations with the hoes and how you sent them packing.

      9. Reiterate your claim as being the world's best MC.

      10. Mention what year it is and then give a shoutout to your producer.
      • mdinire, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2Don't give away the secret =P
      • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -22/+24And here's the formula for "80% of all 'indie rock'"

        1. Claim to be the worlds saddest singer. Your claim should include boasts of sexual ambiguity or physical self-mutilation(preferably both)

        2. State that all other singers are either mentally stable or heterosexual. Threatening suicide is ok.

        3. Reference your low self esteem.

        4. Describe in detail the lack of material satisfaction your bardish lifestyle affords you. For example, the dismal size of your i-pod.

        5. Include at least one reference to CBGBs. Make sure it contains the words "dour" and "remorse".

        6. Don't forget the unbearable heartache. You can't spell "indie" without "die", can you empathize?

        7. Describe how boys/girls are impressed with either: a) the tightness of your jeans, b) the darkness of your soul, or c) both.

        8. Boast about how your tight jeans/dark soul still can't find fill the void left by whatever tragic event occurred in your childhood.

        9. Reiterate your claim as being the world's most depressed emo soul.

        10. Forget what year it is and give a shoutout to the Depeche Mode.

        *if you'd like, I can repeat this list for metal, country, punk, pop, or whatever type of music you listen to because the music you like sucks.
        • Trykt, on 04/14/2008, -4/+10This would have been funny if it was at least somewhat accurate.
        • Philoushka, on 04/14/2008, -3/+8I see you put a lot of thought into that, but it still is only a 'C' for effort, because it wasn't even close.
        • whereiseljefe, on 04/14/2008, -3/+10Gonna just have to put a FAIL on that one. You meant "emo," not indie. Contrary to popular belief emo is not indie or vice versa.
          • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -3/+6Oh, you mean like how mainstream rap is not hip-hop and vice versa?
        • yournightmare, on 04/14/2008, -2/+9You're describing emo, not indie rock.
        • loki440, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1By the way unicron, I love hip-hop. I just don't like the minstrel show that passes for rap nowadays.
        • iain76, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1????? eh?
      • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -1/+7To be fair, that kind of "bitches and money" hip hop is pretty much confined to mainstream hip hop. Mainstream hip hop represents about 20% of hip hop. The same with more or less ANY genre of music. Killing virgins and eating bats in metal and rock is confined to mainstream rock and metal, and the same goes.. that covers about 20% of rock music as a whole.

        There are literally hundreds and thousands of musicians, be it hip hop, metal, country, whatever.. that represent their genre as it should do but the music they write and perform will never be commercially successful because it's not about bitches, money, killing virgins and eating bats. Obviously you're not a fan of hip hop, but should you dare to explore the genre further, you'll find there's plenty of great hip hop out there that isn't about bitches/money and more about issues, be them political or whatever.

        And I say this as someone who listens to hip hop (Public Enemy, MC Solaar, The Goats, Dr. Octagon), as well as metal and hardcore (Converge, Burnt By The Sun, Unearth, Pelican, Russian Circles) and everything in between. Don't be so closed minded with music.

        But you carry on with your stereotyping.
      • Rheic, on 04/14/2008, -1/+4What you're referring to is mainstream hip-hop, which is basically pop music and it's for kids. The mainstream of any genre is full of *****. Believe it or not, hip-hop music exists that has artistic merit, you just happen to be ignorant of it.
      • burnblue, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Actually, your list fails only because it doesn't mention that in every single song, no matter who the rapper is, he sold crack. I love rap, I really do, but I;m sick to death of this crap.

        EVERYONE IS NOT A DRUG DEALER, and if you were, we don't need to hear about it because it is not a redeeming quality, Rappers are portrayed as less of a man if they never sold crack. WTF
    • mrjit, on 04/14/2008, -6/+18Hip hop !=Rap.
    • synthpop, on 04/14/2008, -2/+12here's the thing, both Oasis and Jay-Z are way past their prime.
      if you had those 2 on the bill circa late 90s then you'd have proper concert.
      • Ravatar, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1Which is why they shoulda stuck to more old material. No Dead Presidents?!?!?
    • Couchy, on 04/14/2008, -2/+30Old-school hiphop is gold. But to all these people digging up comments about "Modern day" hip hop are absolutely WRONG. He should have said "mainstream hiphop" not modern.

      Unicronband nailed it:

      "Almost all mainstream music is complete *****. If the rap they play on the radio is your frame of reference for judging an entire genre of music, you opinion is meaningless."

      There is so much music noone knows about simply because they dont see it on tv or hear it on the radio. Digg me down for listening to real music if you want.
      • yournightmare, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2I don't think I've ever heard any of the hip-hop I listen to on the radio, besides a few artists like Outkast and Notorious B.I.G. But I've never heard, say, Blackalicious on the radio. I like a lot of rock that gets played on the radio, I can't figure out why it seems to be only the ***** rap/hip-hop that makes it to the radio.
        • phazon88, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1There's good mainstream rock? The only mainstream rock I've heard on the radio in recent memory is Nickelback and they suck.
          • yournightmare, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1I don't know where you live, but wear I live we have stations that play rock that isn't mainstream, unless you consider bands like Gogol Bordello, TV on the Radio, and DragonForce (although I don't like DragonForce) to be mainstream.
          • yournightmare, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1Lol @ "wear" durrrrrrr
      • jameswater2, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2I will digg you up because you are the only one here who makes sense here.
        When I say I hate hip hop i hate most of it that i have heard. Persuade me, I'm open minded.
    • geeddra, on 04/14/2008, -0/+6I have a feeling 90% of the people here haven't listened to any hip hop outside of what's on the radio.
    • kukiweed, on 04/14/2008, -2/+4You mean Talib Kweli, Common, Mos Def, Dead Prez, Lupe all suck?! Get a reality check.
      • KINGGS, on 04/15/2008, -1/+1Reality check: Talib Kweli isn't that good.

        You also just mentioned the most popular artists who make you think they are "underground"
      • Ravatar, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1KINGGS: Reality check, you are ***** ignorant. He counted off "conscious rappers" not "underground rappers", they usually go hand-in-hand, but sometimes they break out into the mainstream. We should be embracing that "conscious" music because that's what hip-hop should be. You should not be ashamed to be a mainstream rapper, speaking on "conscious topics".

        By the way, Kweli ***** on your favorite artist. Get By was a classic. Reflection Eternal was badass. Oh, and Black Star for LIFE.
  • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -59/+16People were saying the exact same things about rock music before it was accepted into the mainstream. People are just afraid of change and things they don't understand.
    • ddizzle, on 04/14/2008, -27/+37eh....hip hop/rap really does suck. it's fun at parties and such, but not music to be taken seriously
      • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -19/+11OK, that is your opinion. You don't like it. However, there are many people who do and they take it seriously.
        • ddizzle, on 04/14/2008, -8/+15haha, of course people like it, i just don't. so i stated my opinion.
      • Mofassa, on 04/14/2008, -10/+17hip hop/rap sucks and is only fun at parties and such and not to be taken seriously?

        I don't even know where to begin pointing out the idiocy in this statement. Chances are the only hiphop/rap you're talking about is what's popular on mtv - in which case it gets the same "serious" level of almost all the "rock" on there as well. Oh wait, you don't consider that rock? Well anyone serious about "real" rap and hip hop doesn't consider the stuff on mtv real rap.

        If you really want an example though try listening to k-os - he's somewhat mainstream up here in Canada, rap/hip hop and I would definately say somethign to be taken seriously.

        Please - before you generalize an entire genre of music which has its base as a way to express yourself (rap?) give it some thought.

        Now in reference to TomK88 I do disagree...hiphop is mainstream - the difference here is that glastonbury attracts one kind of crowd - sadly some of which is of the same kind as ddizzle and will deicide that the weekend may not be worth it because of a hip hop headliner.

        If I agree or disagree with their decision is besides the point, it's a simple case of if they want to keep the same crowd base or expand it.

        (as a side note - I agree with Gallagher's comment, but am still an avid fan of rap, hip hop, house, rock, classical, jazz and more genres I care to name at the moment)
        • betterth, on 04/14/2008, -8/+15Let's look at the current chart topping rock: REM, Foo Fighters, The Bravery. I would consider these solid rock bands.
          Chart topping hip hop: Usher's make love in this club? Mariah Carey's Touch My Body? Flo Rida's Low? Lil Wayne's Lollipop?

          Enough said.
          • Ataxia2008, on 04/14/2008, -0/+5The bravery? LOLOLOL
          • yournightmare, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Why is that enough said? I really can't figure out why the good hip-hop doesn't get radio play, and instead crap like Soulja Boy and 50 Cent are in heavy rotation. It's really no wonder so many people have a bad impression about hip-hop, when all they play on the radio is crap. But who's fault is it? The labels? The stations? The populace? You're right; there's lots of good rock on the radio. So why doesn't the good hip-hop make it to the radio?

            I'm a guitar-playing rock guy to the core, but there *is* good hip-hop out there if you know where to look.
          • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -0/+4The Bravery? If they're not almost identical to The Killers, they're almost identical to any number of new wave/electro-pop bands from the 80s. Them and The Killers need to write their own music rather than stealing from the 80s.

            REM and Foo Fighters, while aren't my thing, are solid rock bands, however they're solid mainstream rock bands as much as Jay Z and 50 Cent are solid mainstream hip hop musicians. Usher and Mariah Carey are most definitely not hip hop.
          • staticneuron, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2What does that really prove? When limp biskit, kid rock, or anyother rock song that doesn't have a message makes it to the charts can i use that as an example to downplay rock? All genre's of music have their insightful songs and then they also have their songs which are popular but don't say a thing. It is unfortunate that rap's biggest chart toppers seem to be club tunes but you cannot blame the artists for their popularity. Given their numbers in sales it is pretty obvious that majority of people buying rap nowadays aren't looking for a meaningful message but the fact is there is still some really good rap and rappers out there.

            I listen to all genre's of music and I am constantly dismayed at the amount of people that paint broadstrokes on other genre;s and choose to be close-minded.
          • betterth, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Im not close minded, I love every one of the songs I listed under hip-hop. I'm just saying, modern hip hop is goofy. You make be able to look and find "meangingful" hiphop, but the point is, we're defining a genre here. Not the niche aspects of the genre, but what is popular and what is selling.

            And truth be told, what is selling isn't meaningful. There is a lot more decent rock being sold than decent hip hop.

            I don't care what indie and underground bands are doing, until they breakthrough they aren't having a meaningful impact on culture as a whole.
        • xerosawyer, on 04/14/2008, -6/+6No point of trying, all the good charlotte fanboys are just getting mad that jay-z is headlinging.
        • JivePode, on 04/14/2008, -8/+4Usher and Carey are pop.

          And The *****' Bravery?! Is that the best you could come up with? *****... I'd take Soulja Boy over those clowns, and *hate* Soulja Boy...
    • pegothejerk, on 04/14/2008, -6/+17People might have been saying the same thing about rock, but rock started in the late 40s and was popular by the late 50s/early 60s. Hip Hop started in the 70s (latinos and afro-americans). It's hardly new. They are simply two different forms of modern music appreciated by many different types of people, sometimes overlapping in tastes, sometimes not. While his statements were very blanketed, he has a point - some fests are rock oriented and would push away a good deal of their customer base. Some are hip hop/r&b/rap oriented and would do they same to their customers if they brought in indie rock. That being said, there is room for fests with multi-cultural experiences, and those are the shows I buy tickets to.
      • pegothejerk, on 04/14/2008, -4/+6really? modded down for historically accurate and non-hating information? someone must really like their type of music and nothing else.
    • NiteMayr, on 04/14/2008, -6/+6Except Rap music is as old as Rock was in the 80s (20something) and as mainstream as Rock was in the 80s, just another musical product.

      Trying to call rap an upstart musical style is being blind to the billboard charts, 4 of the current top ten tracks in the World right now are hiphop and 2 of the others feature hiphop artists.

      Rap is as mainstream as Pop and it's as simple as that.

      That being said, Popular Music (of any stripe) doesn't represent change, that's why it's called Popular music.

      Change is when an unestablished artist or genre gain notoriety and eventually become popular.

      Bravo on your defense of Rap music, but it doesn't need it.


      • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -7/+4Rap is just a fad... Went from Motown(actualy has some good music) to Disco to "Pop"(80's pop, madona, cindy lauper, etc) to hip hop. Something new will come along in a few years and rap will be mocked.
        • NiteMayr, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3How can you be posting on Digg from all the way back in the 80s like that? Amazing!
        • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1A fad? How can a genre of music that's 30 years old be described as a fad? Wind your neck in, son.
      • pegothejerk, on 04/14/2008, -2/+10fads don't usually last 30 years. it might go away, who knows. I hope not. But it is not a fad. it's a genre.
    • 4pple5auce, on 04/14/2008, -5/+5I guess I'm afraid of things I don't understand... like the lyrics to hip hop music, maybe because it's barely intelligible.
    • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2i agree with you
    • staticneuron, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1Anyone hear Lupe Fiasco? Rhymefest? Common? There are a lot of rap that is just meant for mindless club hits but there are still a few rappers out there that talk about current events and do not shy away from issues they face in real life.
      • RoyaleCheese, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3I agree with that, brother. A lot of hip-hop is dead such as club hits, i.e. soulja boi, lil' jon, t-payne. It's all terrible. Except for the one's you mentioned above.
  • checkacheck, on 04/14/2008, -13/+23Noel saying what is and isn't right for Glastonbury? I saw Oasis headlining in 2004 and it was like they didn't even want to be there. Kind of devalues his opinions on this one :-(
    • damndj, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3Didn't Muse headline, or do they consider multiple bands "Headliners"
      • Ataxia2008, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Muse *****' own.
      • Genthree, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1There's a different headliner for each day. Technically, the big headliner is the Sunday night spot, but the big band each day is still called a headliner.
      • evb27, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0muse is awesome live... i saw them at lollapalooza last year. it started to rain when they came out and i thought it would make the show less enjoyable but it just made it way more intense.
    • Shakermaker, on 04/14/2008, -0/+7Yeah - Oasis at Glasto back in '04 was awful. They did look bored.
    • tdogg241, on 04/14/2008, -2/+1Wait...his opinion once had value?
    • superfuxxorr, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1See im the best maaaaaiiiiin.... I did itttt.
  • MaxMWood, on 04/14/2008, -11/+6Same thing happened when I saw the Sex Pistols in Manchester and some DJ's were on before them..
  • ssean, on 04/14/2008, -21/+8i think glastonbury's strength is in its massive diversity. im looking forward to being there this year.
    • b1tchell, on 04/14/2008, -5/+0Me to.
    • BN2L, on 04/14/2008, -6/+6Dugg for being right. How can people dig down such a comment they've obviously never been to Glasto.
    • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -3/+2true dat man.
  • fandyboy, on 04/14/2008, -6/+53Haha, good old Noel, I think he meant hip-hop acts should not be headlining, he's right. Although to be fair it says more about the popularity of Jay-Z than hip-hop. Seriously though, who is passionate enough about Jay-Z to stand in the pouring rain. Obviously not enough to sell Glasto out. Eavis is like the Jools Hollanbd of festival organizers.
    • ghindo, on 04/14/2008, -5/+5Didn't Jay-Z fill Madison Square Garden in like, a day?
      • tuz100, on 04/14/2008, -2/+10That's about ten percent the capacity of Glastonbury and it's in Jay Z's home town, New York... this is in England, heard of it?
      • Cenobite, on 04/14/2008, -5/+15Unlike your Jay-Z album-buying demographic, Glastonbury attendees are, by and large, not 13-year old morons.
        • GalacticRerun, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Yeah! These morons are at least college age.
    • fandyboy, on 04/14/2008, -0/+7MSG is not a rainy field in the middle of West England. Just so you know.
    • machocheese34, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint = classics
  • envyme, on 04/14/2008, -22/+24I believe he is referring to rap, not hip-hop. Hip-hop is nothing like rap. Christ.
    • fandyboy, on 04/14/2008, -14/+3What are you talking about, hip-hop is just music with someone rapping over it, wtf?
      • EpicSelekta, on 04/14/2008, -2/+12There's plenty of rapless hip hop, and there is lots of rapping in genres other than hiphop. Drum n bass, for instance, features gratuitous amounts of rapping. Rap and hiphop are associated, but distinct from each other.
        • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -9/+7Both of them suck so who gives a *****?
          • EpicSelekta, on 04/14/2008, -3/+4Rock these days sucks worse, but I'm sure you'll just claim you don't like AFI as well.
          • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -5/+1I listen to 80's music, mostly.
          • Trykt, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2What's it like knowing all the music you'll ever like has already been made?
          • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Call me a relic. Call me what you will. Say i'm old fashioned. Say i'm over-the-hill. Today's music ain't got the same soul. I like that old time rock and roll.
      • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -3/+6Linguistically hip-hop refers to the cultural aspect, including music, clothes, graffiti, dance, lingo and the like. Rap generally refers to hip-hop music, but more specifically the artless commercial crap people hate. True "hip-hop" like Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul and many others are worlds beyond Fiddy, Krunk, and the ***** they play on the radio.
      • lucasmaximus, on 04/14/2008, -3/+1Hip Hop is more a cultural idea, I suggest you watch Scratch Documentary to for a in depth explanation between the two.
        • mathyou78, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0Hey thanks lucas, love hip-hop and rap but always wanted to know more about it, especially the current stuff, found and watched 'Scratch' after reading your post, its ***** awesome! Learnt a lot! Thanks

          Matthew
      • apophenic, on 04/14/2008, -2/+3Rap isn't a genre.

        Edit: I replied to the wrong comment, oh well.
    • mdavis, on 04/14/2008, -12/+28To people who don't give a crap about it-like me-it's the same thing.
    • Zzone, on 04/14/2008, -6/+24Yeah, Rap is music, hip hop is culture, Right?
      eat me.
      • dkirkham, on 04/14/2008, -11/+3Don't be retarded!
        Rap is anything but music ;-)
        • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -8/+7Rappers dont play instruments or sing, how can that be music
          • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -2/+1Your definition of what music is, is not everyone's definition of music.
          • KINGGS, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Aristotle says all sounds created in the world, including dead air, are music. Now tell me, who should I invest my agreement in?

        • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1just cause the rapper doesnt play the instruments doesnt mean the other performers arent
      • fletcherrr, on 04/14/2008, -5/+4God, I hate digg.
    • Haon, on 04/14/2008, -11/+6"Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live" - Krs-one

      Its as simple as that.
      • KINGGS, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1KRS-One is a ***** idiot bro, don't quote him. He thinks he is Hip-Hop. He has pigeonholed hip-hop to co-exist with his prejudices against white people.
    • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -5/+2rap is under hi-hop like punk is under rock
    • spanner, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1They are all equally bloody awful.

      Things went downhill after Grandmaster Flash and the furious five
  • mdavis, on 04/14/2008, -58/+128Sorry, but Oasis is better than any "hip hop" any day.
    • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -31/+24I didn't know you were in charge of deciding what type of music other people enjoy.
      • mdavis, on 04/14/2008, -14/+20Now you know. And knowing is half the battle.
      • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -6/+4your soo right tom and these old fogies are too scred to admit it
        • Ataxia2008, on 04/14/2008, -3/+3At least they can spell
          • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -3/+2who the f*** cares if your spelling is off on digg, this isnt school
      • ArchiTech, on 04/14/2008, -1/+4I'm surprised so many diggers are close-minded when it comes to music.

        I'm sure if you looked at the music collections of most music artists, they would be from diverse genres from many time periods.
        • CaptainNoPants, on 04/14/2008, -2/+1I doubt it's because they're close-minded. I've been listening to everything but country almost my whole life. I think it's because the whole genre has become watered down with "lil" this guy and "young" that guy, and it all sounds the same these days(to me). Early 90's was the pinnacle for rap in my opinion. Jay-Z definitely is talented and I've bought at least one or 2 of his records, but I'll take early Dre over him anyday.
    • rstarr, on 04/14/2008, -32/+24"Sorry, but Oasis is better than any "hip hop" any day."

      Are you 90 years old?
      Seriously.
      • mdavis, on 04/14/2008, -20/+18Nope. Seriously. I don't like Rap, Hip hop, Hannah Montana, Justin Timberlake or whatever ***** flavor of the month aritist is hot right now.
        • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -12/+14Funny that Jay-Z has been popular for more than a decade.
        • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -15/+9@TomK88
          Which I'm pretty sure is longer than Oasis was popular.
        • mdavis, on 04/14/2008, -6/+14Could have fooled me. Celine Dion has been around forever too but I don't listen to her music either. People will continue to buy ***** music for a long time-doesn't mean it's good.
        • lucasmaximus, on 04/14/2008, -6/+7Hip Hop has been going for over 30 years now, it is hardly. Same was probably said about Rock Music at the time.

          Fair enough you don't like it, that you're opinion, but it not really a flash in the pan.
        • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -5/+11Ignorance. Do people buy "*****" art also? People buy what they like. You can't say one type of music is good, and another isn't. It just depends on what your personal preferences are.
        • AxsToro, on 04/14/2008, -3/+4LOL Buried for saying Hannah Montana... God I hate that bitch. :3
        • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -9/+10Rap is ridiculous. A lot of morons trying their hardest to make sure that they're still "cool". They must've stopped maturing at 15.
        • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -2/+8@tom
          Yes people by ***** art, they want to look like something they arent so they just buy what it so somebody will think they are cool
    • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -13/+6I'd say they are equally as bad as most "rap" any day, which is to say they are still complete *****. I hope Jay Z slaps Noel like the whiny little bitch he is.
      • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -8/+2"You ***** have to learn to stop ***** up our Glastonbury. Didn't we let ya in here, *****? We saw you laughin' while we were dancin'! We say you laughin' while we were dancin'!"
    • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -14/+16And I say I'd rather listen to the Grey Album than an Oasis disk any day. Go figure.
      • nobelief, on 04/14/2008, -9/+10you're allowed to have ***** taste
        • mdinire, on 04/14/2008, -3/+9The Beatle's music is *****?
        • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2"you're allowed to have ***** taste"
          You hit on my point. Bravo.
        • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3you're not allowed to decide what is ***** taste
      • narcofiche, on 04/14/2008, -2/+3Being that Oasis are such huge Beatles fans, the Grey Album is probably why Oasis is so pissed at Jay-Z.
        • escheppa, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2Very good point.
        • Ataxia2008, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Jay-Z didn't personally make it you idiot.
          • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1I doubt most of the people above you know the Grey Album as anything other than a wiki entry.
        • yournightmare, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Why would they pissed at Jay-Z about that? Jay-Z didn't make the Grey Album.
      • Jeffler, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2My two favourite albums of all time are The Grey Album and Be Here Now, oddly.
    • afterlife23, on 04/14/2008, -18/+11oasis is for people withh all white friends
      • Nowaiman, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1withh THPP SSSSS WITHHSSSS WITSSSSSSSS SSSS FFFFSSSPPPPP FFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSP
      • techweenie1, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1yep my generation has had their brains scrambled ... they might as well be scientologists...the ***** that comes out of their mouths...afterlife23 just yet another example of it.
    • PixelCloud, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1That isn't saying much either...
    • phazon88, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2Heh, looks like Oasis fans are out in full force on Digg.
      • techweenie1, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1You must be mixing them up with Obamamaniacs, they are in full force.
    • greatgatsbyII, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Where were you while we were getting high?
  • DjArcadian, on 04/14/2008, -11/+120Gallagher has a long history of liking to hear himself talk.
    • leerayIG88, on 04/14/2008, -1/+14*Smashes watermelons with a hammer*
      Woooo!
    • BN2L, on 04/14/2008, -5/+11And a long history of being a complete prick.
    • LordBarnaby, on 04/14/2008, -3/+1Don't insult my Dad (Gallagher Gallagher), hes a great comedian that was before most Digg users time. Hes washed up now, but don't all old people somehow lose the ability to know whats cool?
  • bicyclethief, on 04/14/2008, -24/+53Anybody from a band bigger than the Beatles ought to be listened to.
    • theberlindoctor, on 04/14/2008, -5/+14Of course, because popularity = quality...
      • Monk22, on 04/14/2008, -2/+3please enable your sarcasm detector thanks
        • PasteEater, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Perhaps yours needs a tweak as well.
    • bicyclethief, on 04/14/2008, -1/+14I was being sarcastic but I guess a lot of people really dislike hip hop.
      • theberlindoctor, on 04/14/2008, -2/+3i was also being sarcastic. Sarcasm of sarcasm.. I can understand disliking Jay-Z but dont lump all hiphop in with him.. ..
  • wolfenraider, on 04/14/2008, -11/+41a spot-on point, maybe what they need are more Beatles cover-bands...
    • Cam_86, on 04/14/2008, -8/+2Oasis has not released any covers of Beatles songs on their albums.(to the best of my knowledge)
      They did do a cover of hey hey, my my by Neil Young, which was pretty ***** amazing.(Familiar to Millions CD)
      • fandyboy, on 04/14/2008, -2/+7They covered I am the Walrus and released it.
      • TimeWrecker, on 04/14/2008, -2/+5On a single, not an album.
        • fandyboy, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Well obviously not on an album, that'd be ridiculous.
        • Cam_86, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2Actually i was wrong, I am the Walrus WAS released on one of their albums. The Masterplan. It was advertised as having all their best B side songs, but its still an album.(and imo, its there 3rd best. After Deff. Maybe and Whats the story Morning Glory)
      • unicronband, on 04/14/2008, -4/+15I think he's referring to the fact that Oasis are essentially just Beatles poseurs. Very bitchy, whiny, self-praising Beatles poseurs at that.
        • Supersonic1980, on 04/14/2008, -9/+7thats ***** peddled by lazy journalists ,oasis sound like the beatles because they both use guitars and thats about it
          • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3oasis not only sound like the beatles but on "definitely maybe", they even ***** LOOKED like the beatles. That the beatles is noel gallaghers' favourite band and he admits to being influenced by them, one might say he's been a little too influenced by the beatles.
        • nobelief, on 04/14/2008, -6/+6Oasis is better than the Beatles. Oasis just has less hype.
  • Rain7128, on 04/14/2008, -53/+56I agree; hip hop has no place with real musicians. Hip hop sucks!!
    • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -12/+21Define musician. I understand that you don't like the music, but why insult it? I don't listen to country, but it doesn't make country artists any less musically talented.
      • Steeple, on 04/14/2008, -9/+5mmm,but for me it's all production, no musicianship, it personifies the you don't have to be good at stuff to be famous bs
        • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -6/+12Really? If it's so easy, why don't you put out a CD and become a multi-millionaire? I mean, anybody can do it, right?
          • Steeple, on 04/14/2008, -12/+6oh, "the 50,000 cockroaches can't be wrong", argument...
          • tidu, on 04/14/2008, -3/+1Just buy me GarageBand and a 9th grade education and I will
        • PixelCloud, on 04/14/2008, -0/+6You realize that most of the music is created using a keyboard... right? Something where you have to press notes in a certain order, so it sounds good. Someone still has to write the music, sequence the drums, and produce the track. If that isnt musicianship, then you obviously have never written a song...
      • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -10/+3Music; An art form that contains either instruments, or a person singing(rapping isn't singing)
        • narcofiche, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12So Classical music isn't music because it doesn't have somebody singing? Most hip hop contains real instruments played by real musicians. The fact that somebody is rapping over the music doesn't cancel out the fact that it's MUSIC. Don't be ignorant.
          • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -9/+2Looped sampled tracks arent the same as musicians. About 5 years ago i used to screw around with Fruity loops to make beats, took me about a month to figure out, i couldnt learn how to play a guitar or sing in a month
          • narcofiche, on 04/14/2008, -0/+8Come on, dude. You've decided not to listen to hip hop and that's fine - but you can't generalize it based on the few artists that have somehow penetrated that closed mind of yours. If you believe that there are no musicians in hip hop, check out The Roots for starters.
          • Trykt, on 04/14/2008, -0/+5Seriously? This far down in the comments and we're still making generalizations about what all Hip-Hop music is like so we can ***** all over all of it?
    • EpicSelekta, on 04/14/2008, -9/+11Hate to inform you, but real musicians beg to differ. First in line is Aerosmith, who are particularly noted for being way better than Oasis.
      • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -5/+8Despite the context it is still insulting to even associate Aerosmith and Oasis in such a comparison and I'm saying this as someone who isn't even a huge Aerosmith fan. Oasis had a couple hit songs quite a while ago. They're hardly a footnote in music history.

        Also, Jay-Z did the mash up with Linkin Park so he's worked with rock groups before. Like hip hop or hate it but claiming it isn't music just discounts your intelligence on the matter.
        • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -1/+8Linkin Park is Alanis Morisette for angsty teens and tweens as opposed to the divorced woman demographic that Alanis reaches. They're completely awful.
          • Trykt, on 04/14/2008, -3/+2CRAWWWWWWWLINNGGGGG INNNNN MY SKIIIIINNNNNNNNN
          • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3The niche they've managed to exploit does nothing to change the fact that they're better musicians than Oasis will ever hope to be. That's neither here nor there and is of course subjective.
    • GalacticRerun, on 04/14/2008, -0/+5And yet, it managed to find its place with The Roots who can technically be defined as "real musicians".
      • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -1/+7The people in this thread are classifying "real musicians" as "they make music I like."
      • PixelCloud, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1and what "technical" definition are you using for that?
        • GalacticRerun, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1Oh I dunno, the following will do:

          # someone who plays a musical instrument (as a profession)
          # artist who composes or conducts music as a profession
          wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

          # A musician is a person who plays or composes music Musicians can be classified by their role in creating or performing music: * A singer (or vocalist) uses his or her voice as an instrument.* An instrumentalist plays a musical instrument. ...
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician
  • smitting, on 04/14/2008, -33/+6Someone needs to inform this man that guitars are soooooooooo 20th century. But if he wants to continue playing his classical music so be it. The amish are very successful with their 19th century technology.
    • fandyboy, on 04/14/2008, -0/+14And vinyl records, the "instrument" of choice for hip-hop is not 20th century?
    • doctechnical, on 04/14/2008, -1/+4"Someone needs to inform this man that guitars are soooooooooo 20th century. "
      Devo congratulates you on being over a quarter of a century late.
    • mecharabbit, on 04/14/2008, -2/+4200 years ago, Franz Joseph Haydn was quoted as saying: "Glastonbury has a tradition of classical harpsichord music, I'm not having Beethoven and his romantic movement at Glastonbury. It's wrong."
      • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3Say whatever you want, but ROBIN WILLIAMS sang "blame Canada!" on Broadway. That's mother ***** ridiculous. Broadway no longer holds the significance that it used to. See what happens when you invite stupid ***** just to get some more money?
    • pagno, on 04/14/2008, -2/+3If, for one second, you argue that sampling other peoples music and putting braindead lyrics to it, is more "musicial" than ANYONE that plays an actual instrument.. Well, your opinion isnt worth a *****.
  • dmark77, on 04/14/2008, -12/+43Hip-Hop is a theme park now like Heavy Metal is.

    D12, for example, put out an album where on just about every track they talked about what they would do all gangsta style if someone messed with them.

    Then Proof got killed, Eminem got fat, and D12 left Detroit to hide under a rock in LA.

    I know Eminem doesn't speak for all in regards to Hip-Hop, but its become 90% fantasy 10% reality - like Hair Bands of the 80's.
    • OJdidntdoIT, on 04/14/2008, -3/+13out of all the rap groups you brought up D12?

      you have to be from detroit. cause they suck ass.
      • dmark77, on 04/14/2008, -0/+8Aye, that I did.

        I am pointing that D12 is nothing like Hip-Hop circa 1993, just like Heavy Metal in 1989 is nothing like Heavy Metal in the 70's/early 80's.

        D12 is an act, not a musical group. Poser wise I'd say put them on a Motley Crue like level - putting image ahead of music.
        • narcofiche, on 04/14/2008, -0/+293 'til Infinity.
        • Meatball01, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3Motley Crue kicks ass though. Says it right in their song.
      • nephilimx, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Promatic was a great cd from proof (d12) and dogmatic
    • TomK88, on 04/14/2008, -12/+7You do realize that these guys grew up living in the environment they rap about, right? If anything, becoming a rapper extended Proofs lifespan, not shortened it. He got into a dispute with a man who had a gun. That has nothing to do with his music.
    • innocentsinner, on 04/14/2008, -2/+10There's still some good stuff out there. Erykah Badu just released a brilliant album, as did Gnarls Barkley (if you consider them hip-hop).
      • Frebs, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2Uh... Not all music made by black artists is hip-hop.
        • innocentsinner, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3Erykah Badu is hip-hop. Gnarls Barkley is too much of a genre-mix to be considered one in particular, but hip-hop is undoubtedly part of it.
    • Aitese, on 04/14/2008, -1/+22Your mistake is to take the crap on MTV and assume that MUST be the whole culture. I could do that with rock...but I'm more enlightened than that.
    • proliance, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Your point is that hip-hop bands aren't violent enough? WTF?

      Shouldn't it be about the music?
    • staticneuron, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2D12 and eminem were always heavy satire. And this is not like real supposed gangstas like 50 cent or T.I. Their music was always over the top and the lyrics had to much expostion to be believed. If you believed that D12 would do all those thing then there isn't something wrong with the music but many listeners fundamental understanding to what is really being said.
      • dmark77, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1After what was said lyrically about Bugs being killed on D12s last album, and Proof getting killed, D12 really are posers. I don't think they were dabbling in exposition with that.

        "We lost Bugz and i'll be damed if we loose another man from our clan Without forcing our hand"


        • staticneuron, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1That is an example of lashing out in anger and certainly not represented in their music as a whole.
    • manteca29, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1oh yeah and champagne supernova is 90% reality.why does it matter how real it is . if people like it they like it. by the way hip hop is the highest selling music in the WORLD.
  • ian9outof10, on 04/14/2008, -11/+15Or perhaps people have just realised that paying £164 for the pleasure of standing waste deep in mud while some overpaid hippies play their lame guitar turd from a stage roughly seven miles away from where you are.
    Seriously, why would anyone go and subject themselves to conditions worse than the trenches in the second world war? And those toilets.
    Oh, and the only people that go these days are rich city people, there are probably more BMW 5 series in the car park than VW campers.
    • xerosawyer, on 04/14/2008, -4/+4Glastonbury is for dumb city kids that think they're "trendy"
  • momsshizzle, on 04/14/2008, -30/+24Good for him. Anything ***** hop or crap rap sucks.
    • bicyclethief, on 04/14/2008, -1/+26says the user named momsshizzle
      • techweenie1, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1apparently bicyclethief doesn't understand the saying "taking the piss" at something...
  • odouls78, on 04/14/2008, -2/+6Kudos for the worst summary ever, you actually forced me to read the article to figure out what the deuce you were talking about.
    • ian9outof10, on 04/14/2008, -3/+2I shall Digg your comment up for a wonderful use of the word deuce.
    • Steeple, on 04/14/2008, -2/+1ee-gad!
  • Kireblade, on 04/14/2008, -15/+7What's Glastonbury?
    • doctechnical, on 04/14/2008, -3/+16It's where King Arthur is going to make his big comeback, gangsta style.
  • BackhandBandit, on 04/14/2008, -2/+26Even though I kind of agree with him, I can't look at that photo without seeing the words "You kids and your music..." in a speech bubble above him.
  • SnapETom, on 04/14/2008, -11/+27Good. Someone has to say it.
  • OJdidntdoIT, on 04/14/2008, -21/+7If you had to google "Glastonbury" to figure out what the ***** it is, DIGG ME UP.

    FYI, hip hop is pretty much ***** and so ain't most music these days.
  • JivePode, on 04/14/2008, -21/+10Wow. I forgot about the internet's hip hop hatred.

    Madlib, Lords of the Underground, Ice Cube and Freestyle Fellowship > Your favourite band, easily.

    Digg me down; I just a "wigga" who wants to be cool, right?
    • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -4/+3I guess I didn't really know about it. I suppose there was a time I _really_ didn't like hip hop but I grew out of that in like...middle school. Are people still defining themselves by the music they listen to?
      • JivePode, on 04/14/2008, -2/+3Heh, I know I said to digg me down, but I didn't think people would *actually* do it!

        Ah, yeah... people take music way too seriously, I agree. But part of me still gets annoyed when people write off hip hop, as it's the genre I love the most. Man, I dig Burzum, Atheist, The Mars Volta, John Coltrane, Neurosis... whatever, but rap's where my heart's at.
        • InspectorGadget, on 04/14/2008, -6/+2Buried for pulling a couple band names off of Last.FM and trying to look well-rounded. No person who appreciates the complexity of Atheist (and moreso their contemporaries Cynic) could possibly regard rap as anything other than the speech of a brain-damaged ghetto ***** roughly set to the sounds of beating up a Fisher-Price keyboard with a ball peen hammer.
          • JivePode, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Is there any real way I can prove that I like these bands? I think the drums on "Det som en gang var" are among the greatest thing I've ever heard, but whatever; this is the internet, everyone's a suspect.
          • brufleth, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1I love that people can throw some words around and even point to degrees in music theory and claim all sorts of authority but if I were to do the same regarding my own profession or degrees I would more than likely be ignored when juxtaposed to someone with zero qualification.

            Who are you to take something as subjective as music and claim objective superiority? You and others like you are full of it. Sometimes I want to listen to K7, sometimes I want to listen to Queen, sometimes I want to listen to the Dropkick Murphys and sometimes I want to listen to Andrea Bocelli.
          • InspectorGadget, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1Brufleth, your point would stand if rap were music.
          • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1@JivePode,

            I wouldn't worry about it. Nothing to prove. Unfortunately for many people, their preferred genre of music is the "only" kind of music and anything else isn't music.

            I pity these closed minded fools because their life must be very sad, very dull and very boring to constrain themselves to one kind of sound.
        • Monk22, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2how can you listen to coltrane and still listen to rap, your ***** crazy.
        • BikerDude69, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Music is, always has been serious. I'm just not sure if it always will be. For shame.
    • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3Right.
    • BN2L, on 04/14/2008, -1/+5Dugg for Madlib
    • Shakermaker, on 04/14/2008, -2/+4nah - you're just ignorant. No worries.
    • xenowang, on 04/14/2008, -1/+0The comparison between hip-hop acts and somebody's favorite band deserves a digg down. I was surprised to see you list bands like Burzum and Atheist in your following comment, but come on, the elitism works both ways.
    • slvrbullet87, on 04/14/2008, -2/+1Ask and ye shall recieve
  • lektroluv, on 04/14/2008, -13/+56The music industry blames piracy for slow music sales.. I blame people like Jay-z and their ***** music. No wonder no one buys their music or goes to their concerts.

    This whole ting is just a big "the people have spoken".
    • BN2L, on 04/14/2008, -4/+15Jay-Z is worth over $150 million and pretty much every album he's released has been a critical and commercial success not to mention numerous sell out tours. Where do you get your information from?
      • sgtpppr, on 04/14/2008, -3/+3I also blame Jay-Z and crew because they started a trend in music that has become a cancer. It's nothing but a couple businessmen recycling beats and putting lame rhymes over them. Jay-Z sold well because he's the biggest of them. Sean Combs, Damon Dash, and Russell Simmons are just as much to blame. They sold a bunch of albums when album sales were down across the board. Record companies desperate for money, gave them the power to get basically anyone signed.
      • pagno, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1"'Youre telling me that 50-million screaming fans are never wrong?' No Im telling you that 50-million screaming fans are ***** MORONS!"
    • DeFex, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2And he encourages the fans to be fine upstanding law abiding citizens by following his example.
    • Monk22, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2but i just love spending 22 bucks on a CD for maybe two good tracks.
      • solid12345, on 04/14/2008, -0/+122 dollars? Most new CD's at Wal-Mart or Best Buy are no more than 15.
  • G0Ducks, on 04/14/2008, -11/+31
    • lucasmaximus, on 04/14/2008, -1/+7I have a friend who I used to work with who is a composer, he just got into the royal college of music. He loves my old skool hip hop, and regularly samples and remixes stuff, as well as being a damn good guitarist.

      It really a shame that so many are so short sighted about what can be considered musically good.

      Making bland boring sampled music with no soul, produces ***** unoriginal music However like any technique it has it place and can be used well to produce good music.
      • sgtpppr, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2Showing a single exception to the rule doesn't totally negate the rule itself.
        • lucasmaximus, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0True,

          I was simply saying using that as an example, saying that many use sampling. I read his music magazine and many musicians and composers are sampling (or at least those that are featured). Maybe I should have made this clearer
    • ghindo, on 04/14/2008, -3/+9The "novelty of sampled music"?

      Oh dear. I was agreeing with you up until then, but there is some fine music being made with sampling, and there probably always will be. (I would recommend checking out DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing...", RJD2's "Deadringer," and The Avalanches' "Since I Left You.") And it's not like hip-hop was the first genre of music to sample - jazz musicians have sampled for DECADES.
    • Aitese, on 04/14/2008, -3/+5Step one...type SONGZA.COM into address bar

      Step two...type The Roots or Talib Kweli or Blackalicious or Common or Madlib or MF Doom or DJ Shadow or Gnarles Barkley into search box

      Step three...randomly pick any track

      Step four...like, or dislike, but come back to comment from the point of view of one who is actually informed rather than picking at the most widely known rap stereotypes of the MTV cribs generation.
      • Aitese, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3Lol...there you go...bury my comment. Heaven forbid the guy be INFORMED before commenting on something he's formed an opinion on. Uninformed opinion is what we're all about...am I right?
        • CountCh0cula, on 04/14/2008, -0/+0You are right about the music. You are not alone in knowing it either so don't worry
      • pagno, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Mike Patton.
  • alphonseragusa, on 04/14/2008, -5/+7Chocolate rain...
  • darwinwins, on 04/14/2008, -2/+10Having grown up as a teenager in the 90's - I ***** love Oasis and Jay-Z does nothing for me. But that's probably more indicative of where and when I come from. I'm sure if I grew up a decade later, I wouldn't have much to say about Oasis and would love Jay-Z.
    • Supersonic1980, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3ive seen oasis 5 times,mostly during the 90's and i love em but jay z is ok too
    • techweenie1, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2I've basically told my generation to go ***** themselves...there's no excuse for listening to ***** music other than you follow the mASSES.
    • Melissa1981, on 08/18/2008, -0/+0I totally agree with 'darwinwins.' I was a teenager in the 90s and grew up listening to Oasis. I think because I grew up in the 80s and 90s, that's why I'd rather listen to Oasis than JAYZ. HipHop does nothing for me. I usually feel indifferent to it except for that rare occassion.
  • fatoprah, on 04/14/2008, -7/+61Unfortunately, Gallagher's right on. I think the kids that really like Jay-Z and the like, grew up with this below average music and are more fascinated by the image and less about the quality of the product. 4 or 5 people learning how to play instruments and then coming together to create a unique sound is something they don't even understand. Just different guys with a microphone running around speaking into a microphone.
    • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -4/+1I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume by "below average music", you were talking about Jay Z as opposed to hip hop as a genre.

      Otherwise, regarding: "different guys with a microphone running around speaking into a microphone", you don't know anything about hip hop, do you?

      People wouldn't make uninformed commentary on rocket science if they've only done a few years physics at school, what makes people who are only aware of Jay Z and 50 Cent believe they're qualified to make commentary on hip hop?
      • fatoprah, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1I've seen roughly 200 shows in the last 8 years that range from country to hip hop to rock to pop, I believe I'm a fairly good judge on live performances. With the exception of a hand full of artist, hip hop is much more about the image and not about quality music. Talent shows when the artist plays live, they can't hide. Hip Hop is closer to Pop music and very little of that stands the test of time.

        For the record, hip hop and rocket science should never be used in the same paragraph.
  • BigDanG, on 04/14/2008, -8/+12Gallagher's right, we should leave Glasto to true guitar superstars, like 2006 headliner Basement Jaxx.
  • TimeWrecker, on 04/14/2008, -2/+11Noel has said some crazy things, but yeah, this is a rock show. btw, US TOUR!?!!?

    I've never seen em live, but ive got like 130 tracks here, and id pay anything to see a show...
    • damndj, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2Oasis has already announced some Summer US tour dates. More to be announced later.

    • Supersonic1980, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1ive seen em many times ,if liams voice is in good form then an oasis show is amazing :-)
    • sagat, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1They blow hot and cold live I've seen them be brilliant and I've seen them be rubbish. One poor performance was in Dublin 1999 or 2000 they were blown off the stage by opening act Supergrass and never looked interested. Liam probably stroked Noels coke before the show.
  • Namesbond, on 04/14/2008, -8/+13Why Jay-Z? I'm going to Lollapalooza for NIN, Rage, Radiohead, Wilco, Cat Power, Bloc Party, and I don't know why they have Kayne West there either.
    • mdinire, on 04/14/2008, -5/+10So it is ok for Zack De La Rocha to rap but not Kanye? You're the boss.
      • Namesbond, on 04/14/2008, -0/+5Zack De La Rocha raps in a Hard Rock anti commercial political band. Kanye West makes ***** for people to shake their ass to.
        • mdinire, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Yeah thats my point, I'd like to think you wouldn't mind if it was Public Enemy at Lollapalooza.
          • Namesbond, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1I thought your "You're the boss." statement was sarcasm. I would love to see some hip hop acts such as Nas, Saul Williams, and Beastie Boys but I hate Kanye West.
    • markusfarkus, on 04/14/2008, -2/+2it's supposed to be a smorgasbord of music to appeal to a wide range of music fan, not just limited to what YOU like.
      • sgtpppr, on 04/14/2008, -0/+6Then why not add Yanni, Michael Bolton, Enya, and 50 cent?
        • DephexTwin, on 04/15/2008, -0/+1They've always had wacky stuff at Lollapalooza and have always had hip-hop and rap. They had Ice T at the very first one! They've also had Snoop Dogg, Cyprus Hill, George Clinton, Beastie Boys, Tribe Called Quest, and so on. Learn your history, son!
      • Namesbond, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1My point is that the headliners which are the ones attracting most people to the festival are not commercial hip hop artists who get a hard on from award shows. Why have Kanye West there if people are going so they can see bands of substance?
        • markusfarkus, on 04/15/2008, -0/+2Dunno. Everybody I know is looking forward to seeing Kanye and Lupe Fiasco. Maybe it's cuz we're from Chicago.
    • WiretapStudios, on 04/14/2008, -0/+0Kanye and NIN + FooFighters are at Virgin Festival in Baltimore this year...
    • BikerDude69, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1"I'll admit Ilike Golddigger, but Kanye West is a CRAZY *****!"
    • bermudianguy, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Kayne is there because Lollapalooza is held in his home town ,Chicago for those who don't know.Also Kanye isn't the only Hip Hop/ Rap artist on the bill .
  • whiteknight128, on 04/14/2008, -3/+39i totally agree with him, rap is not for Glastonbury
  • MisterMAthside, on 04/14/2008, -13/+13I think Noel is right. He's always been right. Imagine watching Woodstock with rappers on it.
    Through time, the Gallaghers will prove every critic wrong, which they already have.

    I think only a few rock bands are left that still has the 'rock'n'roll' spirit.
    The Gallaghers are still true and will never sell out.
    Spread the word
    Live Forever
    • ejpusa, on 04/14/2008, -4/+4ummm u do know that woodstock was opened with a traditional sanskrit chant by an Indian Swami and universal OM right? Pretty far removed from the rest of the acts. The crowd loved it! :_)


    • LostRiot, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2imagine a festival these days without pills and with hippies.
    • GalacticRerun, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Oh I dunno, I think De La Soul could have made the playbill.
  • jessestorm, on 04/14/2008, -7/+20I love how everyone in this thread thinks hip-hop/rap = Nelly and 50 Cent
    • RetepNamenots, on 04/14/2008, -10/+10And Jay-Z.

      Regardless of what we think, it's still the same crap.
      • deadlyrice, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1rap and hip hop is not the same crap. If you think Nelly and 50 cent and soulja boy is the same "crap" as Dilla, Nas, Common, and Slum Village, you are sorely mistaken.
      • ledzep19752000, on 04/15/2008, -1/+0Agreed!
    • dynelol, on 04/14/2008, -6/+8Either way, rap comes out as idiots trying to convince people that they're cool. Nobody cares about how hard they had it growing up, how big their dicks are or what cars they own.
      • mdinire, on 04/14/2008, -1/+11That is a certain genre of rap, it is like when avid rap fans say "Metal is just a bunch of dudes with long hair screaming" when there are a lot of very skillful musicians and singers in the metal genre.

        Gotta love stereotyping
      • VargVikernes, on 04/14/2008, -3/+3The funniest *****... You don't realize it, but you just proved his point.
    • nobelief, on 04/14/2008, -4/+10I love how rap fans think they're so cool by listening to "artists" like Jay-Z
      • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1I love hip hop and rap music (as well as bluegrass, metal, hardcore, drum and bass, IDM and any other genre of music you care to think of). I don't listen to Jay Z. But I don't listen to Oasis either as Oasis is to rock as Jay Z is to hip hop.
        • nobelief, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1uh.... lol. no. Oasis isn't the most popular or the richest rock band.
  • ha1f, on 04/14/2008, -4/+34I love hip hop, but I agree with him completely. Why change traditions for the flavor of the week? Hip hop is appreciated as it's own medium and is meant for certain venues. This is/was not one of them.
  • Senturion, on 04/14/2008, -5/+23The Beastie Boys played Glastonbury in 1994, there is definitely a tradition of hip-hop, house and electronica at Glastonbury.
    • damndj, on 04/14/2008, -5/+13Yah but the Beastie Boy actually have talent. Besides, they can rock out with Fight for your Right, No Sleep til' Brooklyn, or some of their other rock/punk songs from their albums.


      • g33kfu, on 04/14/2008, -4/+3"Yah but the Beastie Boy are white. Besides, they can rock out with Fight for your Right, No Sleep til' Brooklyn, or some of their other rock/punk songs from their albums"

        There, fixed it for ya
        • BikerDude69, on 04/14/2008, -1/+2Why does everyone have to put a racist slant on this? The Beastie Boys are Jewish, anyway.
          But this is so true. Back in the 90's The Beasties had a lot of heavy rock and punk. It is just a different style of "music". Trust me, rappers don't get along too much with metal heads and rockers. From what I hear it is hard to have a 2 sided football (soccer) game without having a riot, much less thousands of concert goers. Maybe the solution is "rap day", "rock day", "country day". Do they listen to country in Europe?
        • damndj, on 04/14/2008, -0/+2Funny, I didn't even think to make it a race thing.
        • mentallyimprd, on 04/15/2008, -0/+0that wasn't even on a lot of people's minds
    • Shakermaker, on 04/14/2008, -1/+14There is a HUGE difference between the Beasties and Jay-Z, though.
      • Aitese, on 04/14/2008, -3/+1What is that difference prey?
        • fribhey, on 04/14/2008, -3/+11the beastie boys play instruments. jay-z doesn't
          • wellyuk, on 04/14/2008, -1/+3Frank Sinatra didn't (that I'm aware of) play an instrument. He was a vocalist, as is Jay Z.

            Not that I'm comparing Frank Sinatra with Jay Z (or vice versa), just pointing out that your argument is a poor one.
          • PedleZelnip, on 04/14/2008, -0/+3No, yours is. You asked him to point out a difference between Jay-Z and the Beasties, and he gave you one. Frank Sinatra has absolutely nothing to do with it.

            You're misinterpreting what he's saying -- you're arguing that because Sinatra was a great artist even though he didn't play instruments. He's arguing that the Beasties are different from Jay-Z because they play instruments. Two different arguments.
      • alucinante, on 04/14/2008, -8/+3see, it's because they are white... and that's really what this is all about.
      • markusfarkus, on 04/14/2008, -5/+4Yeah, the Beastie Boys never used samples or drum machines and are wonderful singers.
        • jmignea2, on 04/14/2008, -3/+3The Beastie Boys never used samples?!? We must not be listening to the same Beastie Boys.

          I don't understand the bias against sampled music. It's just another tool to create great music. You know the Beatles' best albums used tape loops, right?

          Some people...
        • PedleZelnip, on 04/14/2008, -1/+1Edit: mistake, digg me down...
  • ganjaroo, on 04/14/2008, -10/+3*****, why can't we all get along and have a good time? Just drink something and have fun with your friends.
  • xerosawyer, on 04/14/2008, -9/+17god all the emo boys on digg are gonna rage for hours
    • MisterMAthside, on 04/14/2008, -5/+3All the emo boys shud have a festival f their own. Tissue papers would really sell and wrist-cutting things would also.
  • dumbrit, on 04/14/2008, -1/+9Agree with him, doesn't mean hip-hop 'sucks' for some festivals, just doesn't fit with the Glastonbury ambience
  • web2pointYo, on 04/14/2008, -7/+11quick! name a Jay-Z song...