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How Axl Rose Spent All That Time

nytimes.com — “Chinese Democracy ” is the Titanic ship of rock albums: It’s outsize, lavish, obsessive, technologically advanced and, all too clearly, the end of an era.

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  • Thinkerofthings, on 11/23/2008, -14/+133titanic reference appropriate...

    Fans prepare to bury me
    • aplardi, on 11/23/2008, -14/+6Not that I argue the content, but this article is a friggin Titanic. Did it really have to be this long? It's almost as long as the years it took to make the album.
      • indigit4l, on 11/23/2008, -5/+6It's an article written by somebody who doesn't like any of the past albums, so why read his opinion of the new one?
      • AirRaven, on 11/23/2008, -1/+31You're really going to *hate* books.
      • vanscott, on 11/23/2008, -0/+9You're just accustomed to top 5, 7, 10 lists from Cracked. Admit it, the internet has made you stupid and you can no longer focus for more that 2 minutes at a time.
      • burketo, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1I thought it was a really well written article. It's unusual to see someone write an article or review so eloquently in this age of the internet.
    • dn11, on 11/23/2008, -0/+17It took 17 years for Axl to recover from being knocked off the charts by Kurt Cobain
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihyxIMKA2zs

      • bluechild, on 11/27/2008, -1/+1Nirvana was fresh and good back then but AFD was better than anything Nirvana ever did.
    • vuzman, on 11/23/2008, -1/+14What fans?
      • sockpuppets, on 11/23/2008, -0/+7His dealer and the guy that just woke up from that 17 year coma.
    • borez, on 11/23/2008, -8/+8I've never been a guns n roses fan so I come from a completely biased opion, but IMO this is a ***** good album. It's got overtones of Queen, NIN, ACDC and dare I say it Pink Floyd. Digg me down, but I thinks it's a ***** great piece of production.

      But I'm only listening to the demo.
      • araza13, on 11/23/2008, -2/+4Yeah!
        Dugg down for mentioning NIN as one of the overtones....
        Trent Reznors farts sound better then this album.
      • borez, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3@araza13: Well yeah, ***** obviously mate, but there are definitely, without doubt, NIN influences within this album.
      • DoTheFandango, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1If you listened to one song by them on repeat and then bastardized it, then yes NIN is an influence in the same way Guns and Roses are an influence on this album. They sorta maybe sounds like them but not really.
      • Orbitrix, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2@araza13 - you do realize one of the original guitarist from NIN worked on this album right?
      • araza13, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2@Orbitrix ,Yep Robin Finck, he is back working with NIN now, and you do realize all NIN musicians are basically session musicians?
        Trent Reznor writes, produces and plays almost all the instruments on his albums.
    • Corrosionx, on 11/23/2008, -2/+4Real fans digg you up.
    • dagooh, on 12/01/2008, -0/+1I think it's more like Waterworld.
  • Goshyouidiot, on 11/23/2008, -6/+83Ok, it took time. We all know that. But after reading this I don't know much more about ''How Axl Rose Spent All That Time''
    • punkcat, on 11/23/2008, -2/+11by obsessing over every note.


    • flowctrl, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3He spent it learning Pro Tools.
      • robbiedo, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1Pro Tools was brand new when they started. Food for thought. The entire production environment changed radically from the the start point of this project to when it completed.

        I think I had Digidesign Sound Tools running on a Mac SE/30 back when they started this project. No ProTools , yet.
  • dudefaceguyman, on 11/23/2008, -6/+44I've been listening to the album a lot lately. Before the final releases I listened to the demo's a lot. The article is completely right about overproducing.

    I really liked the latest Chinese Democracy demo leak before the final release. It didn't have him doing backing vocals to himself; instead it retained his regular voice that would transition throughout the song to classic Axl screams. It was great and kept me interested. Unfortunately he fell back to mainstream industrial sound with the backing vocals on the final release. In Shackler's Revenge it works, Chinese Democracy? Not as much for me.

    Otherwise the rest of the Album is quite diverse when you break it down. Yes it's a bit overproduced and some of the notes are "too perfect" which loses a bit of its edge for me. Fortunately after a few listens it really grows on you. Seriously. First listen it sounds pretty mediocre but I'm finding I like some songs a lot more now.

    If you just try and think of this as some new band instead of comparing it to old Guns N Roses it's a stellar album.
    • punkcat, on 11/23/2008, -0/+9everyone wants Appetite part 2 but Axl refuses to admit that was his best work and is obsessed with topping himself.
    • Zonks, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6Agreed, I've listened to the album about 20 times through and I really love it.

      It isn't GNR, it's Axl Rose. Just listen to it as a separate band entirely.
    • ch4os1337, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4The demos singing > Overproduced *****.
  • krnldmp, on 11/23/2008, -49/+101Axl Rose is a butt fag.
  • tacomafia, on 11/23/2008, -22/+107axl rose is still a dick
    • an0nym0us, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1I'm not surprised by the reference considering how many people would suck him given the chance.
  • santiago1, on 11/23/2008, -22/+122 Who cares, Rose is a ***** idiot and Guns an' Roses died quite awhile ago.
    • ClevelandBrown, on 11/23/2008, -1/+27Without Slash, Guns and Roses isn't the same.
      • loopyloopy, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1Guns and Roses just isnt the same without... "Buckethead"
    • chungmaster, on 11/23/2008, -4/+18Actually without Izzy the band fell apart. Izzy pretty much was the band. Everyone else was too drunk or high on heroin to give a *****.
  • XenoSNK, on 11/23/2008, -22/+5Everyone here is butthurt.
    • bjornski, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2The only people who sound butt-hurt are the fans defending this lousy album.

      Reminds me of the postings right after Metallica ***** out their last album.
  • kreatr, on 11/23/2008, -30/+3 Titanic ship of rock albums??? r u outta ur fcking mind? 17 yrs? Give AXL another 17 .. still GnR can't come up with something which is even near to the magic they used to create when AXL and Slash were together. Without Slash GnR doesn't fcking rock ...

    on second thought, may be u r correct ..if its gonna meet the same fate as titanic ..
  • RocketGib, on 11/23/2008, -35/+98Bury me PLZ!
    • mattyboy555, on 11/23/2008, -1/+48No! you can't tell me what to do!
    • acknotSW, on 11/23/2008, -16/+3***** you, dugg. There, I showed him
  • asgardshill, on 11/23/2008, -8/+43I object to the nytimes' characterization of Chinese Democracy as the "Titanic ship" of rock albums.

    People still care about the Titanic.
    • bjornski, on 11/23/2008, -1/+2Not after the movie.
    • douglasr007, on 11/23/2008, -8/+2too bad rock is ***** and the Titanic of rock albums means a big pile of *****
  • evilEL, on 11/23/2008, -16/+11Never liked Guns and Posers, never will. Dugg for the timeline, puts how much of a douche bag Axl Rose actually is in perspective.
    • thegrantman, on 11/23/2008, -3/+8G+R were poseurs?
      Sorry dude,but Guns and Roses was a wake up call for rock back in the 80's.Almost everything you heard was pop or hairbands;THEY were poseurs.
      • evilEL, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1yeah, you're right, slayer, exodus, nuclear assault, aggy front and dri to name a few, they were the posers.
  • aryxza, on 11/23/2008, -18/+7I always love Axl.....november rain
    • DirtyBinLV, on 11/23/2008, -7/+11
      Most overrated song and video in human history.
      • rendereduseless, on 11/23/2008, -2/+7dont forget freebird.........
      • BoonTobias, on 11/23/2008, -1/+9you're thinking of hotel california
      • bjornski, on 11/23/2008, -5/+1Don't forget "One" by Metallica.

        /never want to hear that damned song again as long as I live.
    • AmazingSteve, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3Yeah and like the song says, "nothing lasts forever..."
  • scabbers, on 11/23/2008, -12/+2Is there any place in the world for a text-only music review in 2008?
    • AirRaven, on 11/23/2008, -1/+5Some of us prefer being able to read the review in our own time, rather than having some pompous ass armed with a Mic and YouTube account drawling on for twenty minutes in a godawful accent.
    • punkcat, on 11/23/2008, -1/+1besides the pictures, graphs and links to the songs, yeah it was pretty text heavy.
  • supferrets, on 11/23/2008, -22/+36The album sucked. Let's move on.
  • vivvivtzz, on 11/23/2008, -16/+8good album
  • dmark77, on 11/23/2008, -5/+42The Howard Hughes comparison doesn't work because when Hughes delivered on his promises, he delivered. Hughes was always hungry, and didn't steal other people's work and call them his own. His projects were always his vision, and he hired the most capable people he could find to build that vision.

    Axl. Rose is more like that guy who boasts about how he has a huge penis, and sleeps with tons of women - yet you never see him with one. Then he hooks up with the skank at the party, lasts 20 seconds, and is revealed to have a rather tiny penis.

    100% Poser.
    • AbominableHoman, on 11/23/2008, -14/+2You just sound slow. Are you implying Axl stole people's work, and he's got a small penis?

      I really don't care for cd much, however you sound like an angry Howard Hughes fanboy, with a lingering crush on Axl's biker shorts of the early 90's.

      100% Closeted
    • BoonTobias, on 11/23/2008, -2/+2you can't deny that this guy has had more bitches than most rockstars
    • robdiggity, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3So uh... where's this party at?
  • JakeBC, on 11/23/2008, -3/+95Axl Rose is not Guns and Roses. Just as Paul McCartney would not be The Beatles if he were to release an album without John, George and Ringo.
    • tiberone, on 11/23/2008, -0/+9Wings
    • Niubai, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5But "Band on the Run" could easily have been Beatles material ...
    • mustache, on 11/23/2008, -5/+7Wow, did you just compare The Beatles to GnR?
      • astrotrain, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1Who needs to compare, Jimmie Jammes mashed them up in "Sgt Peppers Paradise" (which is MUCH easier on the ears then Chinese Democracy btw).
    • blackpanther989, on 11/23/2008, -2/+14HOWEVER trent reznor is NIN.
    • wonderbriefs, on 11/23/2008, -2/+7GnR was never as great as the Beatles.
      • hopeforgorilla, on 11/23/2008, -6/+1Guns and Roses and Axl Rose have always sucked
    • borez, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6PInk floyd became Pink Floyd after the loss of Syd Barrett, Fleetwood Mac went through many incarnations, transformations can and do often happen in Music.
      • bjornski, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3And Pink Floyd STOPPED being Pink Floyd after Roger left.

        Gilmour sucks as a front-man.
      • borez, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1I fell in love with Pink Floyd at a gig my mate dragged me to in Paris in the 90's, I knew nothing ( then ) of Mr Waters or Pink Floyd. Gilmour was the front man at that gig.

        My Point: It was the music, not the personality that hooked me... Period.
      • bjornski, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2You wouldn't give them such a glowing review if you'd seen Roger live. It might not have sucked, but it wasn't all it could have been. I saw them during the "Delicate Sound of Thunder" tour, and while it was a decent show, the Radio KAOS tour that Waters did blew it clean out of the water.

        Waters is in-*****-credible. Gilmour pales in comparison.
      • borez, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1What's with the Gilmour hate? if you listen to " On an Island" you can definitely hear a lot of the Floyd sound, especially the ambient textures. The guy was, no doubt, a major contributor to the overall finished item IMO.
    • MadHarvey, on 11/23/2008, -4/+2I'd be totally fine with John and Paul continuing under the Beatles name without the others. I think it is more about whether the primary creative elements are captured in the new lineup.

      For Guns n Roses, I'd be ok with it just being Slash and Axl

      For Smashing Pumpkins, I'm totally fine with it just being Billy (Jimmy is a bonus).

      Radiohead would do ok with just Johnny and Thom.. (And Stanley).
      • Trav3133, on 11/24/2008, -1/+1screw you are the opinions you have.
  • ddalet26, on 11/23/2008, -12/+5That must be some of the worst writing I've read in the context of a rock album. The author writes like he's reviewing Shakespeare. For crying out loud, its a bubble gum guns and roses album. Terrible.
  • NWVG, on 11/23/2008, -1/+22It's pretty clear it was written and recorded over 17 years as the songs are so different from one another that they don't even sound like the same band let alone the old Guns N' Roses. Some of the songs like Chinese Democracy and Scrapped have remnants of what they used to be, but the rest of the songs are barely listenable. The overproduction of it all reminds me of Metallica's overproduced last two albums. At least I got a free Dr. Pepper out of the release of the album.
    • TheNik, on 11/23/2008, -2/+2The second track is awesome... Buckethead is so good. :(
    • frigginchris, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4dugg for free Dr. Pepper.
  • nthitz, on 11/23/2008, -7/+10http://www.drpepper.com/freeDrPepper
    • Falldog, on 11/23/2008, -3/+2And it's down, thanks to ***** GnR
      • kjackelen05, on 11/23/2008, -0/+11It...it was only up in the first place thanks to GnR.
      • aenima987, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6I bet they purposefully put it on a ***** server.
  • ToYKillAS, on 11/23/2008, -12/+3great album!
  • MisterMAthside, on 11/23/2008, -3/+12He's saying something about democracy while he himself is a dictator.
  • T8erT0T, on 11/23/2008, -1/+24"It’s also a shipwreck, capsized by pretensions and top-heavy production."
    Hype and delay can only get one so far. 3-D Realms, are you taking notes?
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/23/2008, -2/+13D Realms has done a few games like "Max Payne" over the years. So it's not a true comparison.
      • rheaume, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2They haven't done *****, 'producing' isn't developing

        So yeah so far:
        Axl 1 3dR 0
  • AmazingSteve, on 11/23/2008, -4/+25Being 19 when Appetite was released, it's hard to believe that the baddest ***** band alive has been reduced to nothing more than a fathead with plugs, terrible plastic surgery, and a Howard Hughes complex. You can tell how long this turd took to make because you CAN hear the scope of musical trends over the last decade and a half. I mean it goes from bright shining moments of GnR glory, no doubt laid down 15 or 16 years ago, to oh, here's when Nine in Nails released the Downward Spiral. It's ridiculous. Axl Rose MUST be killed with fire. Nothing else will stop him.
    • MarrowMan, on 11/23/2008, -6/+4it's Nine Inch Nails btw.
    • ChineseDemocrat, on 11/23/2008, -9/+1Nine in Nails
      man, your expert "connaissance" in music makes your review so valuable.....

      :)
    • AmazingSteve, on 11/23/2008, -1/+9missed a couple of letters, get over it.
  • gabbagabba, on 11/23/2008, -17/+20This album is so ***** bad
    Anyone who spent money on this overproduced Garbage should just give up at listening to music altogether.
    • BoonTobias, on 11/23/2008, -1/+17this is digg, there's no chance of anyone paying for music
    • rheaume, on 11/23/2008, -2/+3Go back to indieworld.com
  • tomaburque, on 11/23/2008, -5/+22My mini review:

    Better than I expected. On the downside there's a lot of "November Rain" type songs with strings and Axl's narcissistic lyrics. But on the upside there's a lot of Buckethead who is a guitar phenom. I think Axl turned Buckethead loose to send a message to Slash, his way of telling his old friend "Suck it". Whatever. Even if you hate Axl Rose, it's still worth downloading, er, I mean buying the album just to hear the amazing guitar work. In the last 17 years Axl's voice has deepened a bit he can still turn on rasp as well has he could on Paradise City. He can sound like a buzz saw cutting meat on pitch and in key when he wants to.

    Ignore the lyrics and the 17 years of background drama and I'd give this album 4 out of 5 stars.
    • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6If you like Axl (and to me he was what made GnR), I think you will enjoy the album even more.
    • punkcat, on 11/23/2008, -2/+4god i wish he would drop the november rain *****.

  • rollingstonex, on 11/23/2008, -14/+5people gotta stop hating. this album is pretty damn good, and as much as i love Slash, the new guitarist is ***** awesome and rocks some crazy original riffs. it's a new band with a new sound. of course it shouldn't sound like the old albums. it's called being original and progressing. btw, this article is suck.

    @dmark77 and the other axl haters... poser? are u guys ***** kidding me? do u really believe that Axl hasn't boned tons of chicks? GnR was huge and ***** global. packing stadiums regularly. your comment is suck. haha...
    • AmazingSteve, on 11/23/2008, -0/+7Which new guitarist? There's like 5 of 'em on there.
    • rollingstonex, on 11/23/2008, -3/+1True, but whichever one is putting out the crazy ***** with the twisted fx is ridiculously sick. At 3:20 through the first song u can get a good taste of it. And if u listen to the whole album, he plays riffs almost the whole time axl is wailing...

      All albums that don't come out of a garage are heavily produced these days. That's just the nature of the industry. But Axl is still one of the greatest rock vocalists alive along with Chris Cornell. He's got a crazy vocal range and can still screech just like the good old days. I, for one, am a huge GnR fan, and although it will never be the same, I'm stoked to hear some new stuff.
  • napalm9295, on 11/23/2008, -4/+15HE'S WITH BUCKETHEAD!!!


    I implore all of you to listen to buckethead. His solos are unbelievable.
    • whataSAMF, on 11/28/2008, -9/+11buckethead is overrated
      im sure im about to get a colossal bury.
    • bearcat8543, on 11/23/2008, -1/+8buckethead left him a while ago, only a couple of the songs will feature his work and will NOT tour.

      and if you listen to buckethead simply for the solos then please stop, hes much more diverse and makes you look like a douche.
      • ernasty10050, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1Actually Buckethead plays on 12 of the 14 songs. He's about to be rich as a mother *****, I think.
    • alight, on 11/23/2008, -6/+5if buckethead was that good he could do it all without a gimmick. if you want to hear mindless shredding, go to your local guitar shop.
      • bearcat8543, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1you obviously have only heard maybe 2 minutes of bucketheads work if you think its just mindless shredding. please refer to accoustic shards and/or colma
    • jamdogg, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3he can play the guitar just like a ringin a bell. He's also a technical wizard.
    • MrBogard, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2Buckethead *is* awesome, and also no longer a part of this travesty of a band.
    • douglasr007, on 11/23/2008, -3/+3Buckethead only got popular because of Guitar Hero and that was before GH became gay
  • doshindude, on 11/23/2008, -13/+14Guns N' Wheelchairs is still around?
    • bjornski, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3Hey now, they've got a few more years until they hit the Rolling Stones stage.
  • ishkabum, on 11/23/2008, -5/+5yeah they're stocking this in Best Buy starting today, i was actually just there. they had the album set up in trash cans. make what you will of it.
    • Lynxpro, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2...post-modern brick & mortar retailing.
  • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -3/+12I said it before, but I like the Album. Sure I wish Slash was there, but he isnt and thats life. I still like most of the songs, even if they are different than Guns N Roses used to sound.

    GnR was my favorite band back in the day, and its a shame that they had so few albums. Today I get to go out and buy a new Guns N Roses album, and thats something I never thought I would get to do again.
    • ishkabum, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5you mean that's something you've been waiting to do for over a decade?
      • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3I had it on my Duke Nukem list, as something that was never gonna happen.
    • Apoy, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2GnR will not be the same without Slash.
  • ChineseDemocrat, on 11/23/2008, -7/+8listen to the full album here
    http://www.gunsnroses.us/news/spip.php?article207


    pretty good !
    very good!
  • jcroweall7, on 11/23/2008, -2/+8The album's a logical continuation of the more epic pieces on the Use Your Illusions albums... frankly, as a whole album, I like it better than either UYI. There aren't any killer individual songs, though, which is problematic. If this had come out in 1998, everyone would be ***** themselves and their moms over it. Axl is definitely 10 years too late (especially in the age of downloading: why go all the way to Best Buy when you can get it off a torrent?), but I also don't think it's a God-awful mess. It took me 2 listens to start connecting to the songs, and I'm sure after a couple more I'll get more into it. Never enough for it to be a true classic, nor ever enough to be worth a 14-year wait, but a good album.
    • Lynxpro, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3Uhm, you can listen to it for free legally on MySpace and you can buy it online via iTunes. And if you don't want it compressed so much, you can pick it up on CD at Best Buy. So with those options, how is not of the modern era? You have choice.

      As for the songs, I happen to like "Prostitute" and "If the World" quite a bit. Very listenable.

      People are just pissed that the album is a different direction than the older material. That tends to piss off artists when the fan base won't allow for them to experiment or to use the artist catchphrase..."grow".
  • ChineseDemocrat, on 11/23/2008, -1/+6and by the way

    Axl Rose just killed Dr. pepper

    http://digg.com/business_finance/Axl_Rose_kills_Dr ...


    :)
  • tiberone, on 11/23/2008, -2/+3This week's Best Buy ad prominently features this and the Kanye album, while the new Killers album is thrown below with all the other new releases.

    What is this world coming to...
    • CoMpUtErITGuY, on 11/23/2008, -1/+4The who? Killers? Never heard of them.
    • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2GnR was at one time one of the most popular and successful bands in the world, of course its going to be big news when they release a new album. Even more so when its an album that has been in the works forever.
      • tiberone, on 11/23/2008, -1/+4But it's not really GnR...I think eventually people have to realize when something's dead and turn to newer, better things.

        I can't imagine anybody but die-hard fans buying this, and I don't see Best Buy's advertising changing that at all. The Killers, on the other hand, could actually benefit from more exposure. As could a couple more bands with new releases this week.

        I guess it's all about the money, but musically, the best albums released this week will not be Kanye and GnR. Just my 2 cents
      • bluechild, on 11/27/2008, -0/+0Sure, it will be all the little "hits" by .. oooh! "The Killers"!
    • Lynxpro, on 11/23/2008, -1/+6While I enjoy The Killers quite a bit, they are still essentially a Duran Duran tribute band and as such, I'd rather have a copy of their live performance at Wembly for the "Astronaut" album on Blu-ray than the new album from The Killers.
      • tiberone, on 11/23/2008, -2/+3Fair enough, but would you rather have the GnR album than the new Killers'? What about the new Kanye album?
      • Lynxpro, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4Since I don't consider Kanye to be either a musician or a decent rapper, I'd go with The Killers. I'll be buying their new album and the GnR album.

        To my knowledge, the Duran Duran Wembly performance is not yet on Blu-ray. I know it was shot on HD though so it's a matter of time. And considering Sony is their music label, I would have thought it would be out on Blu-ray already...
  • kurtwinter, on 11/23/2008, -0/+11Let's put this in perspective. I'm 36. I've changed careers 3 times since leaving college, and I have worked and/or gone to school everyday since my 3rd year of high school. I graduated the same year Axl released his last album before Chinese Democracy. I really feel productive today.
  • chaos7, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5axl's vocals on the leaked version of "madagascar" are better than on the album version....it's like on the album version they digitally lowered his voice or something
    • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2I felt the same way, that was the only song that I thought didnt sound better on the album.
    • Lynxpro, on 11/23/2008, -2/+1...but what format are you listening to the official album on...the CD release or digital download?

      Perhaps if the audio Blu-ray format takes off - as opposed to SACD and DVD Audio - then it'll reverse the trend of heavy compression used - at least for the "big acts" - which has infected both modern CD releases as well as the digital download stores...
  • PissedOffDigger, on 11/23/2008, -12/+5I like how people comment on the album "OMG SO GOOD, GNR IS BACK!!"

    They do realize that this technically isn't GNR, right? It's an Axl Rose solo project.

    For that alone, I don't see why ANYONE in their right mind would give a *****.

    Seriously - replacing Slash with *BUCKETHEAD*? That's borderline Michael Jackson insane *****. I mean, he's talented but... for *****'s sake. I don't even have to explain anything really because the circus that is his live lineup is... self explanatory.
    • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -2/+4Because for a lot of people, Axl was by far the most important part of GnR. I like Slash, but I can live without him.
    • oddtom, on 11/23/2008, -2/+2Who cares if he's talented and makes great music, he's got a bucket on his head. How can anyone accept that? I mean, where are your priorities, people?!

      Idiot.
    • Lynxpro, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3
      Axl Rose *IS* GNR just as Robert Smith *IS* The Cure.

      It's just that most people prefer the "classic" line-up to GNR than Axl's customized version just as most people prefer "classic" Van Halen with Roth. Shame that Eddie has ***** himself up - and the band - so damn much that he makes Roth look like the sane one.
      • PissedOffDigger, on 11/23/2008, -0/+1...wow, no.

        Axl Rose is not GNR. This isn't Nine Inch Nails where one guy writes everything and hires a band. Every member of GNR contributed to the material in the past.

        A band is a group of all the musicians that made it what it was. It's now being treated like a brand, which... no longer makes it band.

        Sorry.
    • Syphon8, on 11/23/2008, -1/+6Guitar-wise, Buckethead makes Slash look like a retarded monkey with one hand.
      • PissedOffDigger, on 11/23/2008, -0/+0I didn't say he wasn't talented but... you kinda take the "band" less seriously when BUCKETHEAD is trying to keep alive an 80's rock band.
      • Syphon8, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3You're aware that Slash wears a top hat wrapped with a sparkly belt, right?
      • MattOwings, on 11/24/2008, -1/+1who really takes this band seriously in the first place. I cant believe I even clicked the link involving this crap
  • 83JB, on 11/23/2008, -1/+9anybody had any luck connecting to DrPepper.com for the free Dr. Pepper? It seems to be locked up anytime I go to it... big surprise.
    • mike17032, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3I was able to do it around 3 AM this morning.
  • nofate2029, on 11/23/2008, -2/+5I'm sorry, but GNR ended with the "Use Your Illusion" albums. This new album is just Axl and a bunch of other dudes.
  • HencheMann, on 11/23/2008, -2/+2The only band allowed to take that amount of time to create an album is: Boston. Seriously. Can you name any other band with this standard MO?
    • albinoazian, on 11/24/2008, -0/+0my bloody valentine? steely dan?
    • sleestakslayer, on 11/24/2008, -0/+0It was a dick move for Boston, too.
  • SirSaggySack, on 11/23/2008, -4/+5
    • MrBogard, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3Being better than pop music doesn't make it good.
  • eth3l, on 11/23/2008, -1/+8That article drones on about as long as it took Rose to write CD. Geez, 2 pages in the NYT?
  • Krick555, on 11/23/2008, -2/+4Enough already........just let this incarnation of the band die so we can focus our memories on the REAL band. This is poo
  • rowlodge, on 11/23/2008, -1/+4ill bet theres not one chinese in it.
  • calcm, on 11/23/2008, -1/+8I saw GNR in Las Cruces, New Mexico at the NMSU football field in 1992. It should have been a great concert with metallica and faith no more. But axl's arrogance was so disgusting and disturbing that I lost all respect for the band and him. In other words Axl killed GNR. I will NOT be buying or downloading this album. Axl is an arrogant, condescending, pompous pig and when I hear the single on satellite radio it sounds like a has-been old man who should go smoke weed in the mountains and enjoy his millions in solitude.
  • Rudegar, on 11/23/2008, -3/+2i guess he spend it resting his voice as it was rather worn out when he left the stage and caused a riot
    when they played with metallica

    and maybe some on figthing "immigrants and faggorts" /quote
  • dreamofrevenge, on 11/23/2008, -9/+1New album is like The Dark Side of the Moon of the new era.
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