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- geoken, on 09/11/2008, -1/+26When they mentioned the "total disconnect" I thought they were referring to things like multi-million dollar promotional campaigns for New Kids on the Block and Jonas Brothers (do people over 12, aka people with jobs/money, listen to them?).
- patpl22391, on 09/12/2008, -1/+3Well, all the young kids just shout until their parents buy it for them. The radio station I listen to in the morning constantly gets calls from 40 year old women who are dying to see the Jonas Bros, cracks me up every time.
- rowlodge, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5a 40 year old pedos, i guess.
- MRintheKeys, on 09/12/2008, -1/+0mmmmmm Cougar.
- AchaIemoipas, on 09/12/2008, -1/+13My wife saw the new kids on the block commercial and said that they should change their name to old guys on the corner.
- petebot, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4Is your wife Henny Youngman?
- jeffvvisoft, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5How can something kill itself if it's already dead.
- patpl22391, on 09/12/2008, -1/+3Well, all the young kids just shout until their parents buy it for them. The radio station I listen to in the morning constantly gets calls from 40 year old women who are dying to see the Jonas Bros, cracks me up every time.
- BrettFromTibet, on 09/11/2008, -3/+47It's been a rough time for music. DRM systems (like iTunes, . WMA, Zune) are vertical silos that don't work with a variety of devices, and the whole thing is a mess. Consumers are rightfully suspicious.
I demand to download lossless, DRM-free, cheaper-than-CD music... maybe $5 to $7 to download a .FLAC on genuine high-speed internet (which really doesn't exist in the US) ... and then I will support music labels and buy more than ever before!- AmaDaden, on 09/12/2008, -0/+7I hear amazon can do that to some extent. Have you looked in to it? I've been thinking about it but I'm still so pissed over all this I rather not give the RIAA a single dime.
- hackiavelli, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1DRM-free 256kbps MP3s. Singles priced at $0.89 and $0.99.
Everyone bitches about the RIAA but let's be brutally honest here: it was never about fighting the RIAA, it was about getting $13.99 CDs for free. It's why most people did it including myself. The RIAA's rampant stupidity was just a convenient smoke screen.
My opinion has changed. For great artists to survive and keep producing work - from music to television to video games and even freeware - they need support from all of us who enjoy what they do. Luckily the market has finally adjusted and it's easier than ever to do that from DVDs to downloadable music. - AmaDaden, on 09/13/2008, -0/+2"it was never about fighting the RIAA, it was about getting $13.99 CDs for free."
Not for me. I have a job, I can afford to buy music. But I don't. I'l buy movies, games and everything else but not music. The root kits, the ***** music on the radio I've heard , the suing of 13 year olds, ***** the musicians they claim to protect. No, the RIAA does not deserve to get dime from me.
- hackiavelli, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1DRM-free 256kbps MP3s. Singles priced at $0.89 and $0.99.
- distressless, on 09/12/2008, -0/+6DMR free and most of the time cheaper prices, bigger selection (some artists who won't go through itunes already had contracts with amazon for they're albums, so converting to digital was easy), and no chance to get sued. I'll support amazon over itunes store. And the download is super easy, I've even got my Mom using it
- fungalboom, on 09/13/2008, -0/+1I want someone to explain to me how when you publish a piece, you aren't inherently making it public and free. If I invent a word, do I have the right to keep you from writing it or saying it or reading it? No, especially not after I say it to you in the first place. Stretch that to sentences, and songs. Or tell me how I'm wrong...
I'll pay for a concert. I'll pay for the plastic of a CD. I don't think I should need to pay for the sound.
On another note: if you find me entirely wrong, and believe that when I buy a CD that I'm really buying rights to listen to it, can you convince the RIAA to furnish me another CD in the event that I break it? Or did I not break the CD, but really void my rights to listen to it?
- AmaDaden, on 09/12/2008, -0/+7I hear amazon can do that to some extent. Have you looked in to it? I've been thinking about it but I'm still so pissed over all this I rather not give the RIAA a single dime.
- Cwolf267, on 09/12/2008, -16/+4I stopped being a nice little consumer and paying for music after I found out you couldn't download your purchased music from itunes onto more than 1 computer. Sold my laptop, got a new PC, hundreds of dollars with of music gone. ***** DRM
- charli2na, on 09/12/2008, -1/+8I thought you could have it on 5 devices? Could you not have copied the music to your new machine and activated it?
- kingmanic, on 09/12/2008, -1/+5Why didn't you back up anything? Even if the music wasn't DRM'd wouldn't it have saved you a lot of time anyways to simply copy all the music to CD's and rip them back? or even look up how to strip out the DRM? I don't understand how no one ever backs up their stuff despite it being so easy these days. In the old days I had to spend hours inserting and removing 3.5" or 5.25" floppies. Kids these days.
- CaptOblivious, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4Up hill, both ways, in the driving snow!!
(sorry)
- CaptOblivious, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4Up hill, both ways, in the driving snow!!
- scaredofdeer, on 09/12/2008, -1/+6charlie2na is right. 5 devices. All you had to do was deactivate your old laptop in itunes, transfer your songs to your new computer and login to itunes with your account. the result is all your paid for DRM music alive and well
- stickywheelz, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Don't you have to deactivate it from the actual computer though? So if I activated a song 4 years ago from my last job in which i quit not realizing this and now have no access to the machine I'm screwed.
- Cwolf267, on 09/12/2008, -1/+2I was under the impression that if I logged into itunes with the id I used to purchase the music, It wouldnt matter what computer I was on. Why didn't I back anything up? Because I ran into an emergency, and needed the money right away. I didn't have the means to back up the music at the time, and thought I could download it again anyways.
I don't see why they let you use it on 5 devices, even though you have to transfer it physically from computer to computer, rather than allowing you to download it again.- aurorous, on 09/12/2008, -2/+1Well that's your own stupidity for not keeping backups. Why don't you just take responsibility rather than blame other people?
I keep a 3 DVD's worth of music for backup just in case. It was the very first thing I did primarily because i don't want to spend another 2 days ripping my 100+ CD collection all over again.
Though it's a pain in the ass you can also upload all your music from your ipod too. - Cwolf267, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Who exactly am I blaming? I'm sorry for expecting to have access to music that I paid for, and not jumping through hoops to backup something that appeared as if I could download at a later time.
- aurorous, on 09/12/2008, -2/+1Well that's your own stupidity for not keeping backups. Why don't you just take responsibility rather than blame other people?
- Pandemicz, on 09/12/2008, -5/+1Well, we'll see how it does in the Fall.
- chrissku, on 09/12/2008, -2/+23Soon the cd will be dead. If the music industry doesn't adapt they to will soon be dead. All music will eventually originate from the Internet one way or the other.
- funkyloki, on 09/12/2008, -6/+1Ummm...car CD players? I mean, until your car has a way to download music (and I ain't talking about some geek setup, I'm talking about a mainstream way that mom & pop & grandma can use), CDs will still be a part of us. Even homemade ones.
Just my $.02- NotRylock, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5More and more cars these days have ports for MP3 players to plug in. The CD is dying as a medium.
- DDayDawg, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3Soon someone will come out with a device that will sync your music library into your car when you pull up to the house. The technology is there to do it and it is only a matter of time. So when I have my entire music library stored in my car why would I ever deal with a CD again? Then again, my iPod hooks to my car now. I haven't bought a CD in at least two years and I don't plan on ever buying one again. When someone pulls their album off iTunes, they pull it out of any possibility of me purchasing.
- Chordonblue, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1But the reality is - it doesn't matter. The music companies are able to maintain their strangleholds because of their enormous backcatalogs of music. Licensing... LICENSING is what will make them their money. Movies, TV, Radio, Internet streaming, etc.
If they never sold another CD - EVER, it wouldn't really matter. No, if things are going to change, it will almost need to be done at a government level. These guys are in it for the long haul.
- funkyloki, on 09/12/2008, -6/+1Ummm...car CD players? I mean, until your car has a way to download music (and I ain't talking about some geek setup, I'm talking about a mainstream way that mom & pop & grandma can use), CDs will still be a part of us. Even homemade ones.
- Slashered, on 09/12/2008, -1/+15I don't know of the major record labels are ever going to change their tune but it's rather depressing. The same usually sub-par music played over and over, and now great sites like Pandora can't keep operating. Truly a sad state for the music industry.
- DOPPELGANGING, on 09/12/2008, -6/+10Meh. Get more people like Trent Reznor involved (and with more freedom) and the industry will be alright.
That and DRM-free tracks/albums across the board. - elzoo, on 09/12/2008, -25/+59Digg me down bitches
- Kyrgizion, on 09/12/2008, -5/+42Dugg you up just to spite you.
- BXRWXR, on 09/12/2008, -3/+20Dugg you both up, so suck it.
- hotdigg, on 09/12/2008, -7/+8I dugg all 3 of you up, weeeee this is fun! :D
- funkyloki, on 09/12/2008, -1/+10He very well could be using reverse psychology to trick us all into doing what we think he doesn't want us to do.
Suckas!!
- Kyrgizion, on 09/12/2008, -5/+42Dugg you up just to spite you.
- Moisgreat, on 09/12/2008, -6/+2download the music to ipod from old computer then upload music to new computer using isynctunes. not that difficult.
- elzoo, on 09/12/2008, -30/+2Digg me up bitches
- themoderngeek, on 09/12/2008, -0/+0I see what you did there.
- damack, on 09/12/2008, -1/+25Theres an old saying that applies to the music industry right now and it goes: Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
DRM was a "***** you" to the consumers with the music industry refusing to adapt to the times. Let's just hope the Movie and Games industries learn lessons from the music industry. ***** on the consumers that pay your bills is suicide. - kreeg6238, on 09/12/2008, -1/+12The music industry is blameing others for their slow decline in profits (pirating and like), but what they fail to realize is that they are still stuck with the notion that people want to go out and spend $20 on a CD that has a few good songs on it. If they would just embrace the technology that is readily available (i.e. the Internet) to MILLIONS of people world wide; they could cut not only their production costs of the CDs but in turn make more money because it would be cheaper.
I believe that if they would just stop fighting the flow of things that they would be better off in the long run. - seraph582, on 09/12/2008, -3/+32"Now That's What I Call Music!" franchise; the latest U.S. "Now" compilation, the 28th in the series, was released in June and went platinum last month.
-- Can we just eradicate the entire human race and just start over from scratch, please??? It's obvious something went very, very wrong along the way...- bambooshoot, on 09/12/2008, -1/+7That's nothing. the UK 'Now' series is up to the 70th compilation!
This kind of ***** makes me sick- seraph582, on 09/12/2008, -0/+10Now That's What I Call ***** PATHETIC! >:(
- RRJackson, on 09/12/2008, -1/+3There are a lot of older people who grab those things because it makes them feel like they're in touch with what the "kids" are listening to. Yeah, the dumbest, lamest kids. Congratulations, you can have a conversation with your overweight niece about Lil Wayne.
- bambooshoot, on 09/12/2008, -1/+7That's nothing. the UK 'Now' series is up to the 70th compilation!
- cavefish01, on 09/12/2008, -4/+4I think the last album I would ever buy is "Pretty in Pink 2". Followed immediately by smashing my head several dozen times through vinyl records of rick Astley...
- WELLDOITLIVE, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3LEAVE RICK ALONE!!!
- JeddHampton, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2You know...
He'd never give you up, let you down, or run-around and desert you. - MrSkills, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Here is a song by Rick Astley:
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
- rowlodge, on 09/12/2008, -7/+1if i were a record producer i'd tell you to make music for a 14 year old can dance to or "barney the purple dinosaur" would have on his show.
- BadseedJR, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5If I were an English Professor, I'd tell you to mind your punctuation and grammar.
- dsmx, on 09/12/2008, -1/+13The music industry constantly complains about piracy then proceeds to make it as difficult as possible to buy music people want, make it next to impossible to discover new music and then sues the pants off anyone who has the cheek to offer a service the people want but the record companies refuse to provide.
- McNally, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Why can't you just like the music they tell you to like? It'd be so much easier (for them.)
- roebeet, on 09/12/2008, -2/+41F**k the RIAA. Let them go down in flames, and may the indie labels flourish. The major labels are dinosaurs that are watching the meteor about to hit.
- BadseedJR, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Hey, OPEC essentially died 2 days ago; now all that's left is the RIAA on the list of conglomerates that I despise.
- toddc612, on 09/12/2008, -0/+23I haven't bought a CD since 2003, and with good reason. If the RIAA wants to treat consumers likes 3 year-olds by telling us how to listen to our music then they don't deserve my cash.
The death of the music industry will be a beautiful thing. Besides, who needs them? They are essentially a middle-man in the artist to listener process. Use the internet for distribution. - narcofiche, on 09/12/2008, -1/+45The music industry is nearly dead and they know it. They've been releasing ***** music for too long with no real creativity or honesty and people are refusing to buy it. They can blame it on piracy, but the truth is they need to blame their A&R men. Every decade had their rebellion: rock n' roll in the 50's, psychedelia in the 60's, punk in the 70's, hip hop in the 80's, and grunge in the 90's. Now we have mommy-approved music that says nothing but 'make money and party like us!'
*****, artists don't need the record labels anymore. Good new artists are all in the underground now and are getting exposure by touring and using the internet to their advantage. It seems like the only motivation our new major rock stars have is to make money, which is why they suck.- dave122, on 09/12/2008, -0/+8Very true, most indie bands I've talked to would rather stay on a small label than move to a major for the following reasons: There is only a .01% chance they will make more money on a major label, and they won't get to do what they want on a major. There really just isn't any benefit for a band to go to a major label anymore - especially with indie labels getting distribution agreements with the majors.
- rblancarte, on 09/12/2008, -0/+9Canned and cookie cutter music + ancient economic model = death of an industry.
You are right on about the quality of the music. When you combine that with the fact that the RIAA, etc seem to be stuck 20 years ago with the economics people buying whole albums. Sure some people will do this, I enjoy buying albums (granted most of my musical tastes are pre-2000). HOWEVER, that being said, most people just want a song here or there.
What is so interesting about the RIAA is that with the internet, digital music etc, they have been handed an almost cost free method of giving people music, and yet seem to be pissing on it completely. Currently, you almost have an on-demand purchase plan, where people can instantly hear something, decide they like it and buy it immediately, without having a chance to let the song fade or even more so, get tired to them. The can buy a single song, that overall is probably even more cost jacked up than a CD ($2-$3 a track), giving them exactly what they want. They would have buying habits, etc. You don't have to make CDs and the only costs are electricity to keep the computers running, and an internet connection. And still, it is totally being botched.
Exactly what they say about stepping over dollars to pick up a pennies. - lanalachat, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2So perhaps "Indie" for the 00's?
Have the rebels finally won?
- thesubs, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2yup, not going with the times, still thinking in yesterdays terms and still trying to impose yesterday on today and today on tomorrow...
but then again ;) this has been said quite a few times. - TheToecutter, on 09/12/2008, -1/+18I've never spent a penny on the DRM ***** on iTunes. I purchased...maybe...2 CDs in the past year. Music is still too expensive to be attractive. Add DRM on top of that and it's not worth it. Performers need to just dump the RIAA and labels and form their own organization for marketing and distribution.
***** DRM.
***** the money grubbing RIAA.
***** the labels. - ColorBlind, on 09/12/2008, -5/+6suck it RIAA
I haven't purchased/downloaded/acquired new music in months. Feels good on the hole.- mogebier, on 09/12/2008, -1/+12Why are you putting music on your hole?
- ProUSADigger, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5Can't...stop...laughing...
- stretta, on 09/12/2008, -0/+11You're doing it wrong.
- mogebier, on 09/12/2008, -1/+12Why are you putting music on your hole?
- shanealeslie, on 09/12/2008, -0/+11Wanna know something, I no longer give a flying ***** about the music industry, DRM on music, or RIAA.
I have all the classics that I like on vinyl, and the one I like to listen to while traveling I encoded at high
quality for my mp3 player. I haven't come across any new 'signed' bands worth buying in years, but I've
found a load of indy performers whose self released CD or MP3s I've gladly paid for - and from what I've
seen most relatively tech-savvy music fans have done similar.
In all honesty, the 'Big Business' Recording industry is really no longer relevant to anyone not working
in its supply, production, or distribution chain.
In my opinion anyway.- crazyhorse13, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2"...most relatively tech-savvy music fans have done similar."
And what's left? Rap/hip-hop fans.- shanealeslie, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1I know of lots of hip hop fans that are tech-savvy - especially after the emergence of Nerd-Core Hip Hop.
- crazyhorse13, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2"...most relatively tech-savvy music fans have done similar."
- TranceCentral, on 09/12/2008, -15/+1Hey people speaking of music, check this out its awesome :D
www.youtube.com/trancecentral- WELLDOITLIVE, on 09/12/2008, -1/+2Rick roll
- sodade, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5I am way ahead of you kids - I haven't bought a new CD since the early 90s. I started buying used only and then MP3s hit. These days, I spend buckets of money on russian websites because they are convenient, DRM free and they are at the right pricepoint. A buck a song? ***** YOU.
- dave122, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2gomusic.ru ftw
- shmatt, on 09/12/2008, -2/+2Why pay for it then? Russian mp3 sites are no more legitimate than file sharing for free.
- MaynardJK, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3Because you get the songs you want without having to upload them to other people while they are downloading. Uploading is what will get you sued by the RIAA.
- sodade, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3I do it because I figure if the RIAA sees all this real money flowing in to people who have the distribution picture down, maybe they will wake the ***** up.
Of course I have been wondering when these assholes will wake the ***** up for almost 20 years now and they show no signs of intelligence...
- mogebier, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Well if the music industry wasn't run by the same accounting douche bags that run Hollywood, we would have better music.
They give record contracts to anyone who has 1 good song in them. Just enough to make a profit. They don't care if they can do more than 1 song. Look at how many 1000's of groups there are out there. Usually I can't tell you which one is on the radio at any given time, but I know the 1 song they sing. - 4NDr01D, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4More Vinyl with MP3 download when purchased.
I still by a ton of records
nothing by Major labels. - ProUSADigger, on 09/12/2008, -13/+1Pirates have destroyed and will continue to destroy the music industry. Sure, digg me down, but it is the truth and history will not be kind to the pirates.
- SonnyW, on 09/12/2008, -0/+9Ninjas have destroyed and will continue to destroy the music industry. Sure, digg me down, but it is the truth and history will not be kind to the ninjas.
- ProUSADigger, on 09/12/2008, -6/+0If you aren't intelligent, at least try to be funny.
- mlfoley, on 09/12/2008, -0/+8No, the music industry's refusal to obey their consumers, forcing those consumers to become pirates, is destroying the music industry.
- ProUSADigger, on 09/12/2008, -6/+0That is like saying..."The car industry's refusal to give away their cars has forced consumers to steal cars.".
At least try to be honest with yourself. - JeddHampton, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4The music industry doesn't want you to be able to buy a sing song, because then there are 11 songs (approx.) that aren't being bought. Instead of allowing places to legally do this, they force people to do it their way.
If you needed a transmission and the shop said that the only way you could get it is by buying an entire car. You'd be upset, wouldn't you? - crazyhorse13, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4@ProUSADigger
No, it's more like this:
The car companies say that only the person who legally owns the car may drive it. Their logic being that anyone else who would drive the car should have to buy their own car.
So people eventually say "screw the car companies" and let other people drive their cars. Car companies cry "THIEF!" Legal battle ensues.
Now that I look back at it, that's actually a really good analogy. - ProUSADigger, on 09/12/2008, -3/+0@All
The maker of the product sets the pricing and product model. Would it not be stealing to poke a hole in a bag of coffee beans and take out only a few? It would be ridiculous to expect a coffee bean manufacturer to sell one bean at a time.
Ok, guys. I think we've reached our dumb analogy quota for the day. - s0nicfreak, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2@ProUSADigger
if people wanted single coffee beans and the manufacturer refused to sell single beans, people would probably start giving single beans to their friends
- ProUSADigger, on 09/12/2008, -6/+0That is like saying..."The car industry's refusal to give away their cars has forced consumers to steal cars.".
- shmatt, on 09/12/2008, -0/+8You mean piracy as in illlegally pressed CD's? Russian mp3 sites? Cause if you're talking about filesharing, you're dead wrong. The music industry sat on its laurels for decades snorting coke. They focused only on selling units, and with the help of ClearChannel, deprived us of anything out of the mainstream. At some point they forgot that people like things other than pop music. Maybe they should've realized that music promotes itself if you realease it to the masses, rather than sit on their ass and let MTV do it for them. Maybe they should have listened to music lovers, not teenyboppers. In the 70's the DJs chose what got on the radio. That's the way it shold be.
- Synn, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4But...it's NOT the truth. The major labels are dying because they keep putting out "safe" and formulaic music. Piracy is just a small problem, the real problem is the quality of the product.
- SonnyW, on 09/12/2008, -0/+9Ninjas have destroyed and will continue to destroy the music industry. Sure, digg me down, but it is the truth and history will not be kind to the ninjas.
- mouthymadness, on 09/12/2008, -6/+1So, why not just buy itunes music, burn the songs, then re imoport it. The music gets re encoded to AIFF on CD anyways, so why are you guy's whining?
- markusfarkus, on 09/12/2008, -1/+7By decompressing it and then recompressing it you're losing quality.
- FishHammer, on 09/12/2008, -2/+3not audible quality. you FLAC ***** are retards. I'm pretty sure there isn't a single person that can tell the difference between 256kbps music and lossless
- mouthymadness, on 09/12/2008, -0/+0It's so little, its not a big deal. And plus your never going to get better quality out of something cheaper then what an uncompressed CD is. So why are even trying to fight something like this? Go buy the CD and import it into the format you want. Seriously, it pays to have better quality. Plus you don't have to make a backup copy.
- markusfarkus, on 09/12/2008, -1/+7By decompressing it and then recompressing it you're losing quality.
- IceSixxx, on 09/12/2008, -1/+8It's not the Music Industry! It's the Record Industry!
Music industry is quite well: there have never been in history so many way to listen to music, so many production, so many easy way to produce music. Music industry involves more than just CD's: there's show, TV, film and videogames licensing, advertising, ...
The Record Industry is almost dead because of the wrong choices made by majors: not adapting to the new media (internet I mean), serving us ***** music at over-rated prices, DRM and all their BS.
As an independent artist, I only rely to myself and the web. I like to be in direct contact with listeners.
Internet offers us new opportunities like website like Sellaband.com or Ourstage.com.
By the way, pay me a visit at http://icesixxx.uber.com . You can also download my debut album for free on Mininova at http://www.mininova.org/tor/1080807 (it's electronica music). This album will be made physical by myself and distributed via CDBaby soon.
Who said the music industry is dead? More bye-bye majors!- wafflesomd, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Torrenting.
Hope it's good.- IceSixxx, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1It is! At least I hope ;-)
- boneit, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Just leeched the album, I hear Depeche Mode influence immediately. Should be good stuff, I grew up listening to them. What gear and applications did you use?
- IceSixxx, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Hi, thanks for commenting. My principal gear is a huge PC with Cubase + VST instruments and Reason 4.
- mookieXL, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Nice music. I like "Das machine" and "Acid".
- IceSixxx, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Hey thanks!
- shanealeslie, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1I grabbed it too - good stuff, I enjoyed working to it.
- IceSixxx, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Cool! That means a lot to me! ;-)
- shanealeslie, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Hey IceSixxx, I'm still listening to it - adding a review of it to my 'Music To Code By' blog.
- wafflesomd, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Torrenting.
- blacklilyninja, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4the trick now is how to get the music mafia out of the industry all together. Find a way to cut off their access to music distribution rights. The only problem is they still have government and corporate ties to fund whatever they want to do next which at this point is pressuring the internet access providers and telcoms to fall in line or partner with them.
- CaffieneMan, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3to say the music industry spent the summer killing itself is to imply that it was alive at that point, it's been dead for a long while
nice job you recording industry execs - BlackJackJester, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3They seem to fail to grasp the concept that people don't want to pay $12-$20 for a hit single and 10 other ***** tracks. They don't want the ***** tracks. If a band is able to put out an album of 10 really good songs, instead of separating those into 10 albums with piles of ***** songs (like they are doing), why not put them together and make the album good?
- kurtwinter, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3Please let me fund the mindless prosecution and militarization from a ***** entertainment industry.
- peestandingup, on 09/12/2008, -0/+4I think they know the end of the CD is near, they just dont want to acknowledge it. Think about it, they have had it DAMN GOOD for a long time now from suckers paying $20 per disc & they dont wanna give that up obviously.
But what they fail to realize is that its a consumer driven market. We call the shots, not them. If they dont give us what we want, we take it. Its that simple.- wafflesomd, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Well said.
- WiretapStudios, on 09/12/2008, -0/+3And by 'summer' they mean 'the last 20 years' right?
- indubitably, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2so long local record store, hello digital wasteland.
- wafflesomd, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Hope they don't shutdown Pandora.
- DeFex, on 09/12/2008, -0/+61:hire musicians based on talent rather than image.
2:???????
3: profit.
we dont want an "act" we want music.- lonoscurse, on 09/18/2008, -0/+0Unfortunately, most people don't seem to see it the way you/smart people see it. They do want to see an act, and for the most part, it's about fame and being marketable. If a show isn't glowing with pretty lights and sparkling things the majority of people don't want to know about it.
Why do you think there's an underground that's operating separately from the "industry" and is pushing its music for free online, like reznor. I for one, am prone to make my songs available for free. I'm looking for others who are ready to take any rights from labels and put them into the hands of those who put all the work into it.
You can dig them up at last.fm or myspace -
www.last.fm/music/lonos+curse
or
www.myspace.com/lonoscurse
"We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution" - Bill Hicks
Deal with it.
Peace.
- lonoscurse, on 09/18/2008, -0/+0Unfortunately, most people don't seem to see it the way you/smart people see it. They do want to see an act, and for the most part, it's about fame and being marketable. If a show isn't glowing with pretty lights and sparkling things the majority of people don't want to know about it.
- abbathdoom, on 09/12/2008, -0/+5If theres one thing I can't stand its all you douche bags saying theres no good music anymore. Hello?? Do you honestly believe that in an age where the cost of instruments is as low as it has ever been that there are no talented song writers? That just because the iPod was invented it meant all the good song writers in the world vanished in their sleep? Whether the radio plays them or not is another matter, but this argument that theres no good music in the world is utterly retarded.
The music industry being ***** is nothing to do with whether theres good music in the world, its all about the fact the labels are desperate to hold onto an out dated business model and have no idea how to adopt to the new way the world works.
As Fake Steve Jobs said the music labels basically run two business models:
1. They operate as loan sharks giving you the money to record and promote your album at the expense of signing your life away.
2. They operate as a distribution chain, sending boxes of plastic discs to 1000s of retail stores all around the world.
Both these business models are no longer relevant.
If I can go record a great sounding album for £1000 in my bedroom why the hell do I want to sign my life away? And obviously no one needs to ship disks around the world anymore.
The labels are running scared because their entire way of making money is changing underneath them and they don't have a ***** clue what to do about it. They are terrified that if they make the wrong choice they will completely nuke their business for good.
Don't get confused that this issue is about American Idol and lame rap music on the radio, it's about the internet changing the business models. There is loads of good music out there. Have faith.- glucoseboy, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1What's so sad is that what they should do seems pretty clear and isn't all that different to what they have always done: Promote their artists' music, create desire, and then sell the music to them to satisfy that desire.
Only the venue has changed Instead of radio stations, newspapers and record store, as in days gone by, it's now music websites, social networking sites, internet radio.
Stop focusing on the Album, the future is in tracks. We have a good idea where the price point should be, adjust your profit margin into that price point and sell more. With digital distribution, the cost of goods is inconsequential. Forget about DRM, people will buy it if it's cheap enough and easy enough. (First rule of retail, make it easy for customers to give you money)
- glucoseboy, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1What's so sad is that what they should do seems pretty clear and isn't all that different to what they have always done: Promote their artists' music, create desire, and then sell the music to them to satisfy that desire.
- jabelar, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2Technology giveth, and technology taketh away. The whole concept of recording music and charging for it is a relatively new thing in the history of music. It was great that people could make money for a few decades by canning music into formats that were not easy to reproduce at home -- but that is now over. To make money musicians have to go back to what they have done for all human history -- actually play gigs/shows (or perhaps get a rich patron -- any openings for court musician?).
- catkillcurious, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Change is inevitable. The recording industry won't go away entirely, but their presence and influence is and will continue to shrink. Their attempts to revert back to the 'golden years' of industry success is futile. iTunes, Myspace, Facebook... Essentially the internet has made it significantly easier for musicians to take control of their own destiny. It is what it is. Act accordingly.
- bjs3171, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2it's funny. clearly the A&R guys at these labels are "shopping" for bands the same way most (stupid) customers do, signing bands with one or two great songs, and then filling the discs up with boring drek. but then the labels expect the customers to, for some magical reason, want the whole album.
personally, i've always shopped for ALBUMS, not singles. if a cd doesn't have more than 2 good songs, i don't buy it. i think the solution is obvious. and there are plenty of actual artists out there, they just may not all have beautiful faces. - mrno, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Please. It is already dead. Wake up. Majority of people who are buying new music is over 30 crowds. They rarely want new artists. It is a matter of time, they will be slowing down too. Are you tell me teenagers are getting credit cards, or driving to nearest Target and picking Itune gift cards, so they can use Itune? Amazon also requires credit cards. College students? Give me a break. Many of them are busy trying to survive
- anarcurt, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Addicting music website that has lots of free music a good portion you can download for free is thesixtyone.com Its mostly unsigned artists but there is some very good (and very bad) music.
- Br3ach, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1Good, hopefully they will spend the remainder of this decade killing themselves too
- trollick, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1And why do they keep bringing back partially decomposed corpse of Britney Spears and giving awards to it?
- Yimyack, on 09/12/2008, -1/+0The funny part is I bought more music BECAUSE I heard it on Pandora than at any other point since MTV stopped playing videos.
The music industry is a cancer patient waiting to die...pull the plug on Pandora & it's as good as dead. - dildobaggins, on 09/12/2008, -0/+1screw them, I no longer buy music CDs nor will I just because they say I have to. No matter how cool a song is (and there are fewer these days), I won't buy a whole CD just to get it, I'll listen to something else.
- stickywheelz, on 09/12/2008, -0/+2F@&K the music industry and all labels (indies too). Artist should record their music, give it away for free by all means possible use ever tool you have on the internet to your advantage.
make you money from live shows and creative merchandise. you don't need any label in your business these days taking any piece of your evaporating pie. -
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