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Timbaland ripped off a track from my buddy.

forums.somethingawful.com — He literally stole the whole musical line to build this song around. I talked to Tempest and he told me that it's no use going to court, eventhough Scene.org supplied papers saying the song got uploaded on their servers in 2000. Fighting a big corporation like Geffen costs tons of money and time, which he does not have.

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  • persianbeh, on 10/12/2007, -8/+157Dugg so that hopefully this story becomes popular to raise awareness.
    • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -131/+12Sucks if this is true, he's my favorite producer...

      meh, even if it is true... I really could give a ***** less... =)

      Go Timbo!
    • jeffdjohnson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+93Hopefully, the guy finds a high-profile, RIAA-hating lawyer that will take on the case pro bono. And yes, I think he should go after the RIAA in addition to the label and individuals involved. If the RIAA feels the need to take on people that "steal" music from "their" artists (enough quotes there?), then I think they should be held responsible when their artists steal music from the rest of us.

      Oh, by the way, if you go back and listen to some of Timbaland's early stuff, I think you'll agree that he's been "borrowing" stuff from electronic/techno/drum-n-bass for awhile.
    • recipher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41I agree, more people should be aware of this. As a producer myself, I have to say it's sometimes difficult to gauge what kind of samples you can use in production, especially if you are making money. For example, some drum loops are OK to use if you process them enough. If anyone has ever hear The Winstons, Amen Brother, you would be shocked as how many times thats been sampled. Look at James Brown's drum samples too.

      I don't think that's the case here. If you are making the money he is, you should be writing your own shiat.
    • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -56/+6I thought this was rather ironic: "Stealing free music from the internet is pretty low"

      Yeah, and what about the millions upon millions of people who steal RIAA music online? That's not low? lol
    • sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34I wonder what ever happened to Magoo? Probably off being bitter somewhere with Jazzy Jeff.
    • DogmaticAtheism, on 10/12/2007, -19/+12Raise awareness of what? That popular music is talentless unoriginal meaningless corporate garbage? I think we all know that.
    • codelogic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"Yeah, and what about the millions upon millions of people who steal RIAA music online? That's not low? lol"

      It would be low if RIAA actually made the music. Copying somebody else's work and selling it as your own and making lot of money is not the same as downloading a song from the Internet and listening to it. It might be comparable if you resell that download and make money off of it. But there aren't "millions and millions" of people doing that.

      Also, FYI, downloading music illegaly isn't "stealing", it's not like if you didn't download the song, RIAA would have made a buck. They don't make or lose money when you download a song. They make money when you buy their records. So if you never had an intention of buying the record, it really doesn't matter (in terms of how much RIAA makes). The RIAA can never lose money, period. They aren't record companies. The make money from every damn sale.
    • mrwiggl3s, on 10/12/2007, -22/+10Whats timbaland?

      Who cares? And why?
    • inchmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/rez/mod/tempest-acidjazzed_evening.zip

      here a is a link to the .mod file which can be played in VLC
    • whymanwhy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6I hate nelly furtado, I want justice for Hall & Oates, They made the only good song about a Maneater ever.
    • phytar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11With the server being down, this is how you can listen to the two tracks.

      To listen the original:
      1) Download VLC:
      http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
      2) Download the original mod from here:
      ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/rez/mod/tempest-acidjazzed_evening.zip
      3) Add .mod to the end of the uncompressed file name
      4) Open with VLC

      To listen to the Nelly track, just watch a horrible YouTube video with it set as the track:
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=8N4ovp90Ea0
    • nacharya, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1timberland are pissed off too
    • PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Oh, and by the way, I hate this video with a passion.
    • spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I presume if the song was hosted on scene.org that it's a MOD or S3M or IT or something. That's an open source format. It would be pretty easy to show a judge the source by toggling individual channels and moving stuff around.

      My heart goes out to this guy. I remember back in the day when it was considered lame to use a 1.5 second drum loop. Ripping off a whole song is despicable.
    • BassCadet, on 11/01/2007, -10/+16Ok, I think Timbaland should pay the guy some royalties.

      That said, Timbaland hardly "ripped off" the song. He uses a 4 second sample of it, in a somewhat prominent way but it's not like that sample defines the song. The bassline is entirely different.
    • PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Sorry for first comment abuse, but here's a torrent of the mp3s:

      http://external.pathdaemon.com/TimbalandRipoffDemo.torrent


      EDIT: oh, and my above comment was meant for the thread on Microsoft, speaking of the iLife video. My baddies.
    • bickdigg, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1for the money you can always start with a fake ID and that homeowner http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Ripped_off_homeowner_takes_a_stand/

      and don't forget to laugh at him when he'll ask his money back
    • WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@ by sundancekid503 : Actually, DJ Jazzy Jeff is still popular and has sold out shows whenever he is on tour. He's actually considered part of the reason why so many DJs today use Rane's Serato Scratchlive as opposed to Stanton's N2IT FinalScratch. Not only that but he's attributed with developing R&B acts like Musiq Soulchild and Jill Scott. Just because you don't see him getting thrown out of the house by uncle phil anymore, doesn't mean he's not around.
    • Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Didn't Timberland base the start of his entire career on Michael Jacksons back catalogue... he's just doing what he knows...
    • Crispin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Dugg because I hate rap.
    • 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8he stole his snares from TeeBee as well (Norweigian DnB artist)
    • bmeckel, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1wait, so how is this new. everyone rips music in the industry w/out copyrights. dugg down because this happens all the time
    • shuck, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4@codelogic:

      "Also, FYI, downloading music illegaly isn't "stealing", it's not like if you didn't download the song, RIAA would have made a buck. They don't make or lose money when you download a song. They make money when you buy their records. So if you never had an intention of buying the record, it really doesn't matter (in terms of how much RIAA makes). The RIAA can never lose money, period. They aren't record companies. The make money from every damn sale."

      --Your argument is flawed. Consider, for example, if someone walked into a clothing store and stole a shirt. If they never intended on buying the shirt, is it still stealing? While you are correct that the RIAA doesn't lose money on a sale, they still lose the possibility of getting money, which is basically the same. Also, most illegal downloading today is unfortunately in lieu of actually purchasing the music. At risk of sounding like an RIAA lover boy, regardless of why people are downloading, the fact remains that it is still illegal. It is up to copyright owners to decide how people are legally allowed to use their products. If you don't like what the copyright holder's restrictions are, then don't buy the product. While I personally don't believe the RIAA's tactics and rules are very beneficial to consumers, it is not up to me to decide what they are. Only through collective action and/or governmental oversight can these policies be changed.
    • cello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14This video says it all:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q

      Replying to first post so everyone gets a chance to see it.
    • livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Probably off being bitter somewhere with Jazzy Jeff"

      DJ Jazzy Jeff is very much still involved in the music world today producing for many artists and releasing his own albums. I doubt he's bitter as Magoo.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Jazzy_Jeff
    • stuf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@shuck

      "--Your argument is flawed. Consider, for example, if someone walked into a clothing store and stole a shirt. If they never intended on buying the shirt, is it still stealing? While you are correct that the RIAA doesn't lose money on a sale, they still lose the possibility of getting money, which is basically the same. Also, most illegal downloading today is unfortunately in lieu of actually purchasing the music. At risk of sounding like an RIAA lover boy, regardless of why people are downloading, the fact remains that it is still illegal.

      Allow me to make a riposte — your argument falls apart solely on your comparison to stealing a shirt. This is because you decide to steal a shirt, the shop that sells the shirts loses a shirt, that is, they have one shirt less now, and they haven't made any money selling it. This comparison could hold ground, if you would, say, break into the studios and for example, steal the master copy of the song — the physical media itself, not the digital abstract media. I'd consider downloading songs more of the type "try before you buy", or, hell, even "buy, try and return if you don't like it", would work.

      At this point, there'll be bounds of people saying "but you'll copy the disc anyways, you'll STEAL the songs from it!" — there are shops that do this pretty good, take Apple for instance. You have a right to a full refund within 14 days of getting your stuff, that is, if you're not satisfied with what you have, return and get your money back, and go spend your money on something else. I live in Finland, so the records that the stores sell here cost around 20€. If I'm going to put down that kind of money, I'd like to first be able to evaluate whether or not it's worth the money I'm going to spend on it.
    • Nuroticat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Funny how if Timbaland would have just gone the extra mile and credited the original author, we would likely be praising him for giving recognition to the demo scene right now rather than lambasting him for plagiarism.

      Anyway, I've been enjoying repeated listenings of acidjazzed evening since last...evening (lawl), and I noticed that the tempest mp3 has lots of hiss and crackle, which annoyed me. This is the result of playing the original mod in Winamp. I snagged the mod myself and played it in ModPlug (www.modplug.com) with filters and enhancement, and exported it to wav, then mp3 after further noodling in Cool Edit. Here is a link to said mp3 for those who are interested and aren't familiar with mod playing software: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9JPV5W58 ...Enjoy!
    • andreas1999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2this is lame! yeah, it's similar but he's using the sid-sound and happens to use 3 not-very-original arpeggio chords.. if you want a case i suggest you have a look at paul mojo - 1983. it samples a demoscene track that i can't remember the name of right now but if you were involved in the scene then you'll recognise it. but this is *****..
  • homerj14, on 10/12/2007, -52/+33that sums up the "c/rap" music industry
    • meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -26/+19@homerj14

      I love it when songs can be sampled properly. However, what I was going to post, nearly word for word, was what you wrote.

      This kind of crap is what sums up the rap industry. Steal it, loop it, talk over it, rake in the $$$.
    • praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -33/+9lol u put a c in front of rap and it became crap LOLZ!1
    • r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36Too bad its not a rap song...

      When done right, samples in beats sound great. Sample music to produce beats is the nature of the art form. Saying hip-hop producers should never be allowed to sample music is like telling a rock band they should never play electric guitars because the instrument was invented by a jazz musician and should therefore only be played in jazz music.
    • mariowario, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4if my demo track won some big competition, i'd make sure i copyright that track before releasing it free to the public to demo it.
    • eliezerlp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39Anything you create is copyrighted upon creation.
    • WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Nelly Furtado and this song are pop, so that sums up your reading & listening ability.
    • KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Yeah, you remember that Led Zeppelin song? Yeah, you know, thas' right, I sampled it."
  • defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Dude, the original MOD is amazing! Is there a link to the rest of this guy's works? Pity because this stuff happens all of the time and there is not much the little guys can do about it.
  • ch0pst1cks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18It's sad because this has surely happened more than once.
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Kernkraft 400 - Zombie Nation was taken from Lazy Jones on the C64.
    • Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It was liecensed by the maker of that game, not stolen as the word 'taken' implys.
    • fairlight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it was finally licensed as an agreement after a legal dispute...
    • tehbob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1At least be sure of your facts before you go round shooting your mouth off HappyScrappy -
      Zombie Nation LICENSED the track, as in they paid for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Jones
  • bikr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28There's no reason not to issue a cease and desist letter. Just look for some copies online and have him send it to them. They will take him seriousley. Have him provide facts and copies of the letters from Scene.org.

    They will most likely offer an immediate settlement. If they don't, you can certainly go talk to a lawyer. This type of case (if you can provide proof) is usually taken with defferred payment. Sort of like those scummy I don't get paid unless you get paid injury freaks.
    • naldwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Yeah, this guy needs to do something to get the ball rolling... five minutes to send a cease & desist letter would at least show that he gives a *****.
    • chedabob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Defense fund?
  • MatthewDoucette, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15direct links:
    http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=/parties/2000/assembly00/oldskool/music/acid_jaz.zip&fileinfo
    http://www.oeoe.nl/timbaland_lamer/tempest_acidjazz.mp3
    http://www.oeoe.nl/timbaland_lamer/glenn_acidjazz.mp3
    http://www.oeoe.nl/timbaland_lamer/furtado_doit.mp3
    • Doodad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Why do you encourage people to abuse the direct link instead of mirroring it?
  • Tairnyn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15The mp3 files have gone to the great router in the sky.
  • r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1EDIT: Damnit, too slow. Digg down...

    Link of Nelly Furtado's song "Do it" which Timbaland produce:
    http://www.oeoe.nl/timbaland_lamer/furtado_doit.mp3

    Link of the original MOD:
    http://www.oeoe.nl/timbaland_lamer/glenn_acidjazz.mp3
  • xamox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Damn't, the server is getting slammed so I can't grab the clips.
    • dmitriyvoz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The author has mentioned very much a vital topic today. It seems to me that the problematics of this clause enables to reflect and draw conclusions. You can as to look sites in Russian which mention this theme: http://www.rolid.org http://www.se-ua.com
  • uselessexpert, on 10/12/2007, -30/+17That's today's rap industry. Most of those artist/producers have no orgininality what so ever. Very few rap artist come up with their own stuff anymore.
    Most of today's rap sucks!

    Dugg me if you want for my comment.
    • xsuite, on 10/12/2007, -21/+14What do you expect? Thats all black peopel can do. Steal, talk and pick cotton.......


      (Im black myself, im just trying to parody Hal turner incase you couldnt tell.)
    • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -18/+2Wow.. that just got you blocked.
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15It's not a rap song.
    • g3r4, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I get where you're coming from. I myself have stopped listening to most newer stuff, especially anything coming out of the south. I'll listen to an occasional track from a random artist, but there hasn't been many major releases that I've enjoyed. Young Dro's "Best Thang Smokin" was nice, and I liked TI's "The King", but other than that... I guess if you want to include TX in the south, Chamilionaire's "Sound of Revenge" had me hooked for a while... Other than that, singles.

      Getting out of the the south helps. I just started listening to Lupe Fiasco and Wiz Khalifa, and I've been a long fan of The Game's. But I know punk friends that have seemingly thousands of CDs, while mine don't number over 50. Rap has stagnated and something has to change for me to drop money on new artists, cause I'm sick of buying an artists first and final CD that has one good song on it.
    • buckynekkid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Young Dro = garbage

      The funny thing about rap is the stuff with a message, or creative, thought provoking lyrics is more popular with white people than Blacks. Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, The Roots all have uplifting messages aimed at Black people, yet white people are eating this stuff up. In the case of Dead Prez, a lot of their stuff is anti-white, black revolution stuff, but white people still compose the majority of their fans.

      Anyone who says rap is garbage is entitled to that opinion. Hell, if I didn't know about people outside of what I see on MTV (if I watched MTV) or hear on the radio (if I listened to the radio), then I'd think rap was garbage too.
  • IanRReardon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you really have a legit claim, many lawyers would be willing to fight the battle for a percentage of the award. You wouldn't have to pay anything, just give (a rather large) percentage of the award to the attorney.
  • sorahn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8did anyone happen to get mirrors of the music? the oeoe.nl site is getting hit pretty hard right now
  • Aliyaho, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2how ironic
  • zombiedepot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Hmm.. P2P is considered bad and stealing, and here you have the music industry stealing to profit.
  • gregmo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Rappers don't understand that to use songs you must gain permission.

    Talib Kweli stole/sampled Ben Kweller's "In Other Words" without permission and Kweller replied at the end episode 7 of his youtube show of "One Minute Pop Song." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCX54oh0p2o
    • Fiction916, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Kweli definitely "understands" IP law.

      Many artists will just put out a song - if it goes big and the IP owner sues - the label will pay the IP owner royalties. Essentially, there is no reason to sue if the song is not successful, because there will be no money to be paid in royalties anyway, and the label's lawyers can easily thwart cease+desist demands, which will most likely be very expensive to the average joe/no-lawyer IP owner; thus, there is little reason (right or wrong) for the artist to consider IP law before the song is released.

      Kweli is a very perceptive and intelligent human being - he may have had this in mind when he released the track.
    • djkickz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Also it is common practice in the Hiphop industry not to recieve sample clearences for Mixtapes (which is why they aren't barcoded and not sold in major retailers). If a mixtape track goes big and the label wants to release the single they will then clear the samples. Often entire instrumentals from other popular songs are ripped off on mixtapes. Also record labels don't ussually try to prevent pirating of mixtapes and stores will often sell burned copies of them, since they in fact are pirated beats and vocal tracks. Mixtapes are thought of more as promotional material then an actually money making product.
    • Fiction916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Nice insight, djkickz

      In fact, Kweli's *The Beautiful MixTape*, which was reportedly unintentionally leaked, has a dope ass version of The Beatles' "Lonely People" - Kweli has performed the track at all four shows I've seen him live at since the leak, but the track will never see a retail album release, because McCartney has the financial power to fight Kweli's label, Blacksmith Records

      BTW - the track was produced by Kanye West, and is basically the original melody with a hip-hop drum track, similar to Kanye's "heart of the city" and "takeover" off Jay-Z's *Blueprint*

    • Diggs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Kweli doesn't PRODUCE

      He is a rapper. Whoever did the beat is responsible for not stating where the sample came from to the label.
      So it is the labels fault for not following up on sample clearance, as well as the producer for not telling them who he sampled.

      If you are going to hate and talk ***** about a topic, and least get your f*cking sh*t straight...
    • danielsan1701, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Just to clarify, although Talib Kweli's album was titled "Right About Now: The Official Sucka Free Mix CD" and received limited pre-release hype, it was an officially released album (see http://www.amazon.com/Right-About-Now-Talib-Kweli/dp/B000BKCXQI and Wikipedia). The Ben Kweller sample was not cleared for the track "Ms. Hill". I'm a big Kweli fan, but I'm not going to defend using an uncleared sample. It's too bad, because it's actually a very beautiful hip-hop song about caring from a distance for a friend that is no longer in your life (in this case, Lauren Hill).

      I haven't heard the original song, but it seems to also be a very good heartfelt track, based on the sample. Judging by the YouTube clip, it seem Kweller is upset with the uncleared sample, but he is showcasing a Japanese piano cover version of that same track. Ben Kweller seems to enjoy that version, and while I'm sure he would appreciate the recognition and royalties from Kweli, he probably appreciates the usage of his music on a creative level.
    • korimickster, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3@Diggs

      Hey sport, stop trying to defend your boyfriend.

      Producer or not, he didn't write the song. He used the song. Ben Kweller had no idea that he used it. Incredibly lame.

      You need to get YOUR ***** straight, shortstack.
    • teejaded, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wow, I just listened to Ms. Hill. It's painfully obvious that the intro, interlude, and melody are entirely from Ben Kweller's song. The intro for Ms. Hill is even Ben Kweller's voice sped up.
  • metall1c1ne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'm sure it happens alot more than we'll ever know..

    Some of the most talented musicians are the ones you've never heard of, underground music is truth! Not in it for the money, they love the music.
  • ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4no, he didn't

    who the ***** is "timbaland" anyway
  • homerj14, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8mesh you heard of jay dee?
    • canewediggit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9donuts, baby. dilla changed my life!
    • hellhathnofury, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3if donuts changed your life you got some catching up to do :P
    • TomRemixed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I don't have any problem with stuff like this. Some of my favorite artists are made famous by sampling. Danger Mouse, Beck, The Beastie Boys, Nas, and countless others. Girl Talk made an album called Night Ripper this year that was made up entirely of samples. There are about 20 songs sampled on every track.

      This case is different because Timbaland basically took this whole song and used that as his beat. That is just not right. Artists like J Dilla who are know for using sampling in their beats add their own stuff in there. They break it up no just play the whole song in the background. Timbaland's production is just crap.
    • bash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Figures a guy with Huey Freeman as his avatar knows all about Dilla :P
  • tuxidomasx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"Its not personal...just business."

    --Stringer Bell
    • Aliyaho, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7anybody who quotes the wire i will digg.
  • 3drage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Your IP is only as good as your ability to protect it.
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Or more accurately, your IP is only as "yours" as your ability to protect it.
  • btgoss, on 10/12/2007, -30/+3When did the manufacturer of quality outdoor clothing get into the music business? And why is the name misspelled?
  • scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10I find it sad that diggers don't know how to play a MOD or a SID. Bloody kids.
    • MadMan52, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7...get off my lawn.

    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Apparently the only audio file format people care about (or perhaps know about) is MP3. I mentioned Ogg Vorbis once and got -25. Woo!

      This is the great "dumbing down." It started with TV, moved on to newspapers, then to internet news sites like Digg. A tech news site becomes the home of YouTube and eBay links and Apple stories and 'funni pics' (HUGE assed cat? FFS).

      Can we have an http://techdigg.com/ plz? I know you can opt to see only Tech News, but the userbase is the same. Digg began when Kevin mentioned it on TWiT (as far as I found out). How many people who listen to TWiT don't know how to play a MOD? Not very many.
    • razordancer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I loved the MOD scene... There were some truly great tracks that I used to have. It was always fun to see the secret messages the artists built into the sample names.
    • TomRemixed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I'm sorry but I don't feel like downloading a program just to play one track.
  • catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It seems odd that he said he talked to a lawyer and the lawyer made it sound as though he shouldn't move forward with the case. What kind of lawyer says "well, they have lots of money and good lawyers so might as well not even try"? lol..unless he doesn't have proof that will hold up in court, that is.
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Hi, I'm Lionel Hutz, Attorney at Law. Would you like a smoking monkey?"
  • felixte, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2This is the best thing that could ever happen to a MOD scener. The whole point of the MOD scene is to remix and learn from what other people did. The worst sin you can do is to just rip all the breaks out of it.

    Timbaland made him famous and he's complaining.
    Right now he's going to get tons of traffic and lots of people are going to listen to him and know who he is.

    Furthermore it doesn't really sound like the melody at all. Its just a fast arp with a similar waveform.

    and this is the worst timbo track for ages. even jay-z couldna thugged this one into something decent.
  • Spyscience, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0sampling/stealing/whatever you call it is fine as long as your tracks are good.
    All i say is RIAA and GEffen, they will let their artist pirate very ironic
  • everfresh59, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4Wow....he stole his track.....none of us ever, ever steal music, that would just be so wrong to do. Imagine if someone were to steal "movies" and share them on the internet.....That song is popular....for one reason.....cuz we listened to it, gave it hype, and downloaded.....majority of us doing it illegally....
    • Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11stealing and selling it as your own is another thing buuuddieeee
    • foofightrs777, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yeah..except are we making money off the songs we download? Are we passing off the new hit song as our own work? No, these are totally seperate situations.
  • felis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Most hiphop nowadays is just karaoke anyway.

  • wfunderberg, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Ok digg me down but come on, boo hoo because here we are the internet family that unite whenever the RIAA and such go after those who basically steal the content but whenever THE SAME THING HAPPENS TO US we want to RAISE AWARENESS of the issue.
    • lollapaulooza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6well most of us aren't turning that stolen music into top 40 hits and making bucket-loads of money from them.
  • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Wow, that song sucks (the Furtado one).

    I would sue for my producer fees back.
  • bmilleker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We need mirrors!!
  • directive0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Being a chiptune closet case, my heart goes out to tempest. I dig his work alot. Sucks to hear.
  • jakdracula, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20The first Spider Man movie used 2 of my songs in their entirety on the DVD. I tried suing. Lawyers wouldn't touch my case for less than a 100k down payment, even though I can clearly prove I never gave Sony the permission to use the songs. I've never gotten a dime.

  • uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I think Timberland Sportswear should sue him too.
  • Optic7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I haven't been able to download the tracks to listen and evaluate for myself (any mirrors?). The wikipedia entry on sampling has a whole section on legal issues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28music%29

    People sue all the time for getting music ripped off. If it's a really obvious and lengthy copy, it seems that some ambitious lawyer out there would take on the case just for a percentage of the winnings.
  • rccgd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1this is real low for a famous artist. and i agree where the "mob" is heading with their pitchforks. but i would make sure you have everything to back up your claim. because if you are wrong and they take you seriously, they can countersue your *ss for... "libel"... i think that's what they call it...

    i'm not a lawyer. i just watch too much tv. :)
  • ProphetSix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Anyone else read the title and think he sampled the song from the 80's commercial for that kid's doll "My Buddy"?

    (Damnit, now that theme is stuck in my head.)
    • smergs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's awesome. I didn't think that but I see how you could have. Made me laugh.
    • molotovbliss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"My buddy, My buddy, My buddy and meeee!" Don't forget about Kid sister! :)

      Ironicly enough, was looking for the jingle, and low and behold, G-Unit used the My Buddy jingle.

      "'My Buddy,' a song by G-Unit that encorporates the My Buddy doll commercial jingle."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Buddy
  • zoombusa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Maybe they can exchange a night with Nelly Furtado in exchange for the beats? I think it sounds like a fair trade.
    • creep303, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I would take a pass on a Portuguese fug. Money please.
    • vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well... She is "Promiscuous"...

      (Which by the way has got to be the single stupidest song ever written, I can just picture her, 10 years from now picking up a dictionary, "Ohh, THATS what that word means.")
    • GutterBumber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Word... First things I thought when I saw her show up on MTV2 5 years ago was "I wonder which record executives daughter she is?"
    • navster15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ vuke69

      Clearly you haven't heard "Fergielicious".
  • GreySpec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Raising Awareness... One Day At A Time...
  • djdragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I wouldn't say 'he/Timbaland' did.

    90% of the time they hire on spec other 'producers' for bed tracks and rhythms. Dollars to doughnuts the person he used did the stealing.

    Thats ok, Moby stole from us and so did PVD.
  • wowbagger, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Who the ***** is timbaland and who gives a ***** anyway ?
  • geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2With this exposure I'm sure a lawyer will take this on pro bono, it's an open and shut case. The RIAA wants to say they protect artists when in fact they protect their artists, they're free to pirate from anyone else. Just don't pirate from the RIAA.
  • hellhathnofury, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4welcome to hiphop

    guys like timbaland got cats out there constantly searching for samples and sounds for them, to say he personally did it seems utterly ridiculous, I doubt timbaland has time to browse scene.org when he's dicking nelly frutado.
    • chokeyou, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"furtado", and I doubt that ugly mug's lucky enough.
    • teethman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is true, but if he is claiming responsibility for creating the beat, he needs to be responsible for the crime.
  • Mar1in, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10This type of problem is easily resolved by you and your buddy finding out where Timbaland is filming a music video and chasing him with a hovercraft. Then when you get to the pier, switch over to go-karts.
    Timbaland will lead you to his record producer, but this ploy will backfire on Timbaland because the producer will suddenly see the fraud and your buddy will find his redemption.

    M.
    Everything I really needed to know, I learned from playing GTA.
    • webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Dugg down. There are no hovercrafts on GTA.

      (actually, I gave +. I found it funny.)
  • cl0r0x70, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1And meanwhile, amazing bands are being looked over every day (a la the late 80's when great bands like Sonic Youth and the Pixies labored underground while Cinderella and Warrant ruled the airwaves.) That is, until grunge happened all the underground acts became "overnight sensations" after years of being invisible to A&R guys.

    Check out some of these underground acts from my neighborhood that no one's even heard of:
    http://www.the-outside.com
    http://www.myspace.com/primms
    http://www.myspace.com/devola
    http://www.pistola.us/news.html

    Sad thing is, likely no one ever will.
  • mattcampbell, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Timbaland..Yo, what up G!
  • GutterBumber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Most of the time, people making accusations like this are being paranoid - everyone is using the same 12 notes, and beyond that, everyone is using the same pop/jazz harmonic motifs. But this is a pretty blatant ripoff, mainly because he used the same sequencing/arp'ing synth. I agree with djdragon above... I doubt Timbaland was surfing around for MODs from C64 websites. One of his staff probably jacked it for him... plausible deniability.
  • weird0science, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Lets take down the guys site!

    in all due seriousness, i wouldn't do such a thing. but maybe one of you would.
  • M1THR4ND1R, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope the digg-caused raise of awareness of this makes that big company pay the man who made the original tune the money he deserves for it ..
  • ZorkTheAlmighty, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0"Good artists borrow, great artists steal". The guy didn't make Timbaland's song, even if it has the same riff. 90% of creativity is plagiarism, and people are only upset because corporations with deep pockets hold everyone else to a higher standard, even when the results are absurd.
    • timbalandrips, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You, as so many before you, have totally misunderstood that quote. Yes, great artist steal, but they steal _techniques_ and _ideas_! They do _not_ steal complete melodical buildups/whole melodies and riffs. That is plain old plagerism and is the lowest form of "artistry" around.
  • cugar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i heard about timbaland using samples from a popular drum and bass producer named teebee a couple years ago

    i dont know which songs or what samples though, just remember reading an interview with teebee and he stated that.
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