Chessmaster Garry Kasparov outwits Bill Mahar with every move watch!
youtube.com — World Chessmaster Garry Kasparov was on Real Time with Bill Mahar last night discussing the state of world powers. His arguments are the most intelligent and concise of any guest I've seen Mahar talk to. I'm joining team Kasparov.
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- Scumbunny, on 11/08/2007, -6/+239If only our Presidential Candidates were so intelligent. He summarizes what's wrong with a lot of stuff in the world pretty well. And this wasn't even his mother tongue.
- hiphoc, on 10/22/2007, -10/+31Kasparov/Paul lol.. But really I hope Kasparov wins the election. I wish the folks in this country who think they are the "elite" gave a ***** about the country and the people. Hail Kasparov.
- quomen, on 10/23/2007, -27/+7God, you guys are so quick to catch on to politicians..
Bandwagon much?- bmc31190, on 10/24/2007, -0/+13So wait, if I like what someone has to say, its considered jumping on the bandwagon to support them? Before I would pledge my full support I would obviously look into more than one news interview, but I really don't see where you're coming from.
- deadmann, on 10/23/2007, -0/+23It's the system that breeds career politicians rather than leaders.
- oddmanout, on 10/22/2007, -3/+5well, even if you don't know much about this guy, just hearing that he's pro democracy, pro peace in the middle east, and anti-torture should make him seem much better than Putin... so, onto the bandwagon I'm jumping
although it doesn't matter, i'm an american, i won't be voting in russia any time soon.
i was very impressed with this guy for the same reason i'm impressed with ron paul... they know the truth and aren't afraid to say it. (Paul's anti abortion, anti gay marriage, and anti healthcare positions are what would keep me from voting for him, though)- Kopiok, on 10/24/2007, -4/+7You do realize that Paul has no plans to enforce those views on others and will instead allow the states to decide those issues, right?
- oddmanout, on 10/23/2007, -1/+3actually no, he outright opposes government healthcare, and his opinion that the federal government won't allow gay marriages but states can doesn't make it better.... if he truly believed this constitution stuff he rants about he would know that we have the right to the persuit of happiness until it impedes someone else's rights. How would 2 gay people hurt my rights as a heterosexual? So yes, he's leaving that up to states, but thats not good enough, he needs to make it federal law to allow gay marriages.
- Sangermaine, on 10/22/2007, -4/+2Uh...yeah, that's part of the problem. He's all for fighting for liberty and fundamental rights and all that, until it comes to things he doesn't particularly care for. Then it's cool to let people tear them apart.
- Kopiok, on 10/24/2007, -4/+7You do realize that Paul has no plans to enforce those views on others and will instead allow the states to decide those issues, right?
- quomen, on 10/23/2007, -27/+7God, you guys are so quick to catch on to politicians..
- Midvicious, on 10/23/2007, -1/+19That was incredible. Kasparov needs to be a voice for the entire world, not just Russia. After all the ***** thrown by media monkeys, Kasparov's understanding was like a breath of fresh air. I really need to play more chess...
- oddmanout, on 10/23/2007, -1/+4I agree, put this guy in charge of the UN
- rv36116, on 10/22/2007, -4/+1***** that, why?
And let him try and run the world and have a great grand 1 world government? No thanks, stick to Russia Kasparov and maybe we'll try to follow your lead when you become the new world power that is on top of the USa- oddmanout, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1this guy is anti-all that stuff.
- clothmonkey, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1If only people the UN were filled with people with that kind of intelligence and conviction, maybe the UN wouldn't be the tremendous joke that it currently is. That said, the hell with him in the UN, Russia needs him more.
- rv36116, on 10/22/2007, -4/+1***** that, why?
- oddmanout, on 10/23/2007, -1/+4I agree, put this guy in charge of the UN
- skyshock1, on 10/23/2007, -5/+8Must... refrain... from... mother tongue joke.....
- chyya, on 10/24/2007, -2/+3refrain silently please
- PoeticExplosion, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5I've always assumed Kasparov was a bit of a nut after following him on the world chess scene and after reading about his belief that the middle ages never happened. (Source: http://www.revisedhistory.org/view-garry-kasparov. ... ) However, I may have to rethink that after this interview, he was excellent.
- Disjunto, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3that was an interesting article
- Frnnkdlxx, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1Unfortunately, there's a difference between being smarter than enough stupid people and proving them wrong, and actually being "right". Most people find it very difficult to comprehend right.
- hiphoc, on 10/22/2007, -10/+31Kasparov/Paul lol.. But really I hope Kasparov wins the election. I wish the folks in this country who think they are the "elite" gave a ***** about the country and the people. Hail Kasparov.
- RGWX, on 10/24/2007, -7/+97I think he was outstanding...you could see the way he was already ahead of the question the moment Mahr started speaking. Really something.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/23/2007, -1/+25I like what Chris Matthews said... as much as I hate to say it.
- unitedstatians, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2The last words Mahar spoke, was even more revealin' of "blackout mainstream media".
- clark24, on 10/25/2007, -15/+4You know most talk show guests know the questions ahead of time.. it's not like a pop quiz.
- coldkodiak, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1wtf are people digging this comment down for. He's absolutely right. Almost all questions on these talk shows are determined and forwarded before the actual interview.
- mminor, on 10/25/2007, -9/+4Exactly. This conversation was planned ahead of time. Bill Maher doesn't ask questions at times. He makes a statement as a cue to Kasparov making some enlightening point. I find it unbelievable how many people seem to think this is some kind of amazing discourse or debate.
- Jelfish, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4Maher seemed a bit naive when he made the point about Russians wanting a strongman. I doubt that comment and retort by Kasparov was planned out. And I don't see any problem with Kasparov knowing the questions ahead of time so long as he thought out his answer himself. Not everyone who is intelligent and well-reasoned can come up with a succinct response off the top of their head. English is also not his native language.
I think you're being overly cynical about Bill giving Kasparov "a cue" as though he has a memo in front of him that says "ok - it's his turn to speak." These things are understood in normal conversation.
- Jelfish, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4Maher seemed a bit naive when he made the point about Russians wanting a strongman. I doubt that comment and retort by Kasparov was planned out. And I don't see any problem with Kasparov knowing the questions ahead of time so long as he thought out his answer himself. Not everyone who is intelligent and well-reasoned can come up with a succinct response off the top of their head. English is also not his native language.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/23/2007, -1/+25I like what Chris Matthews said... as much as I hate to say it.
- TheTruthHandler, on 11/08/2007, -9/+104Everyone should see this video. It shows how Bush's foreign policy is making the world less open to democracy, and only making dictators richer.
- mminor, on 10/22/2007, -15/+4It "shows" the effect of Bush's foreign policy? Some people have become SO anti-Bush that anything anti-Bush which is said is immediately taken and believed as fact. WHAT DOES THIS CLIP SHOW? IT SHOWS NOTHING. Because some chess playing politican SAID something on some random left-wing hosted show it immediately becomes valid and truthful? There is no valid underlying evidence to any of the statements made. The baseless conclusion you've made from watching this simple clip is no different than the conclusion right-wingers make after being spoonfed things on Fox News. Congratulations on being yet another sheep and product of media. For the love of god people, SEEK OUT FACTS, RESEARCH, EVIDENCE, MULTIPLE OPINIONS, ETC. BEFORE MAKING CONCLUSIONS.
- XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 10/22/2007, -1/+3sadly, your comment will be buried anyway
- reugeneg, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5So...... what you are saying is what every politician out there is saying is baseless and untrue. Following your logic, ZERO cred worldwide. Wow, how DO we find the truth? At least Kasparov doesn't sound like he's lying to my face. Something Bush always sounds like he's doing.
- mminor, on 10/23/2007, -5/+6"Following your logic, ZERO cred worldwide." Dude, are you even trying to argue with me? How pathetic. That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. No politician, when making a factual statement, should be believed without outside information supporting his opinion because, naturally, he is biased. The only possible exception to this rule is if a politician is an expert on the subject, in which case credibility is still to be questioned. Why? Because they all have AGENDAS. Hell, this rule does not just apply to politicians--it applies to information worldwide. Given, facts and evidence cannot always be found, but to the best of one's ability, no simple words should be believed without supporting information.
Also, for the record, I believe the comment is true. It would not be absurd to believe that our foreign policy hurts the outlook upon democracy, but this clip sure as hell doesn't SHOW or PROVE it.
- mminor, on 10/23/2007, -5/+6"Following your logic, ZERO cred worldwide." Dude, are you even trying to argue with me? How pathetic. That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. No politician, when making a factual statement, should be believed without outside information supporting his opinion because, naturally, he is biased. The only possible exception to this rule is if a politician is an expert on the subject, in which case credibility is still to be questioned. Why? Because they all have AGENDAS. Hell, this rule does not just apply to politicians--it applies to information worldwide. Given, facts and evidence cannot always be found, but to the best of one's ability, no simple words should be believed without supporting information.
- therealgeddylee, on 10/22/2007, -3/+1I agree with you mminor. Unfortunately, as Digg is pretty much dominated by socialists that call themselves liberals, your comment as well as this comment will be dugg down.
Just because it's on digg means it has to be true. People see a headline and jump to conclusions without even reading the ***** article. - JoeVet, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2Is someone upset that Bush got bashed again? As long as the GOP continue their illegal wars the rest of us will stad against them. If that upsets you go back to your Fauxnews and Drudge Report where you'll get hate directed at the rest of us.
- mminor, on 10/22/2007, -15/+4It "shows" the effect of Bush's foreign policy? Some people have become SO anti-Bush that anything anti-Bush which is said is immediately taken and believed as fact. WHAT DOES THIS CLIP SHOW? IT SHOWS NOTHING. Because some chess playing politican SAID something on some random left-wing hosted show it immediately becomes valid and truthful? There is no valid underlying evidence to any of the statements made. The baseless conclusion you've made from watching this simple clip is no different than the conclusion right-wingers make after being spoonfed things on Fox News. Congratulations on being yet another sheep and product of media. For the love of god people, SEEK OUT FACTS, RESEARCH, EVIDENCE, MULTIPLE OPINIONS, ETC. BEFORE MAKING CONCLUSIONS.
- luskin, on 10/24/2007, -14/+103Bill Maher...not Mahar.
- Ripple, on 10/23/2007, -2/+20Thank you!! There are too many well-dugg stories on this site with misspellings in the headlines, and it makes the user base seem uneducated and juvenile, which is (mostly) not the case. Can the admins here correct things like this? Do they?
- colto, on 10/24/2007, -2/+11They don't as it's not their goal for the site. The site was made to be run by the community. You don't really see a whole lot of administration going on unless it happens to be something that is highly inappropriate, illegal, or an HD-DVD key ;)
- nakani, on 10/23/2007, -0/+4The problem is that one dumbass submits a URL with a bad title/description, and then it's ruined because even if someone else submits it again, the previous submission sapped half of the digs.
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/23/2007, -18/+8I think it's ridicules to pay more attention to a typo than the content being presented.
- danep, on 10/23/2007, -2/+16I think it's "ridicules" to assume the user base is educated and not juvenile.
- HisTumness, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1You idiot. It's "rediculous".
- JonBuddy, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1If the misspelling was intentional, it was a smart insult. Bill who? Mahar? Maher? :D
- Ripple, on 10/23/2007, -2/+20Thank you!! There are too many well-dugg stories on this site with misspellings in the headlines, and it makes the user base seem uneducated and juvenile, which is (mostly) not the case. Can the admins here correct things like this? Do they?
- ericdano, on 10/23/2007, -31/+8Bill is stupid to begin with. Kasparov probably left half his brain at home and still was only using about 1/4 power.
Like to see him and Bill O face off.......- cranium, on 10/23/2007, -2/+29Bill O doesn't face off. He just interrupts and shouts down the other guy. He's exactly the kind of person lacking the level of sophistication that Matthews was referring to.
- ZeRux, on 10/22/2007, -2/+11As if you don't know Bill O Reilly will cut off his mic after one minute or so?
- bmc31190, on 10/22/2007, -1/+4You don't talk on Bill O Reilly's show. He pretty much just shouts like a first grader until his point is across.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3Bill O is a Caveman
- GoneSouth, on 10/24/2007, -4/+85Dugg. Great, insightful interview. I wish our (US) candidates were this bright.
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/23/2007, -10/+22Ron Paul's pretty smart. Check this out http://digg.com/videos/educational/The_best_video_ ...
There's people from other countries on this thread complaining because they can't donate to his campaign because they're not US citizens.
He's not getting the coverage he deserves because he's not in the pockets of corporate America like the so called front runners. Just like Kasparov pointed out, how do we know we can trust the polls here in the US? - vendico, on 10/22/2007, -5/+10Yeah, I was just going to say, Ron Paul. He's the smartest one up there. Doesn't take similar smarts to know that. Just listen to him.
- anewname, on 10/22/2007, -0/+7I'm sure some are that bright. It's just sad that they can't speak with such eloquence all the time because they must pander to the mullet wearin', truck drivin', bible thumpin' parts of the country. Big words and big ideas don't win elections; talking about gays, fetuses and terrorists does.
- Andysan, on 10/22/2007, -2/+1Our politicians talk down to us because we are a lazy, ignorant bunch. Just try to imagine how an intelligent, articulate politician might communicate with most of the posters on Digg? Can't be done! "Stupid is as stupid does."
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/23/2007, -10/+22Ron Paul's pretty smart. Check this out http://digg.com/videos/educational/The_best_video_ ...
- URnotheonly1, on 10/23/2007, -42/+7Maher is a punk ass bitch, who is long over do for an ass kicking!
- URnotheonly1, on 10/22/2007, -9/+1He is and so are most of you. The economic war on this country has been more then obvious for years. You have countries buying more oil then they will ever use and putting it into storage tanks. They are manipulating supply and demand, short selling our markets and attacking the currency. A proxy war is being fought utilizing Islamics almost like militia, and you people are worried if Bush wants to listen to them.
Its a riddle wrapped in an enigma. You have been played!- URnotheonly1, on 10/22/2007, -6/+0And lets not forget they steal the technology you create and they redirect traffic to their commerce sites. And yet, you just ignore it, always attacking your own? It is truly remarkable!
- seventoes, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3Just shut up.
- URnotheonly1, on 10/22/2007, -6/+0And lets not forget they steal the technology you create and they redirect traffic to their commerce sites. And yet, you just ignore it, always attacking your own? It is truly remarkable!
- iFungus, on 10/22/2007, -1/+15"do" - nice spelling.
Go back to bagging groceries.
- URnotheonly1, on 10/22/2007, -9/+1He is and so are most of you. The economic war on this country has been more then obvious for years. You have countries buying more oil then they will ever use and putting it into storage tanks. They are manipulating supply and demand, short selling our markets and attacking the currency. A proxy war is being fought utilizing Islamics almost like militia, and you people are worried if Bush wants to listen to them.
- mrogi, on 10/24/2007, -17/+26If Kasparov is so gattdam smart; let's see him debate the Holocaust with Bobby Fischer.
- catalysis, on 10/24/2007, -4/+64Debating the holocaust with Bobby Fischer is not difficult. Just sit there, don't say anything, and the guy will make himself look like an idiot.
- ZeRux, on 10/22/2007, -1/+23If you try to debate holocaust you will lose debate automatically, so Kasparov is already proven smarter than Fischer.
- sennmen, on 10/23/2007, -3/+1Everything is open for debate.
- ZeRux, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1Well, in that case I would like to have a debate with you about how many dicks your mother can suck at once without choking herself.
P.S.: I'm not trying to flame you, you said you would like to debate EVERYTHING and that nothing is a taboo. If you haven't changed your mind then you have no reason to feel offended, especially when compared to holocaust victims.- sennmen, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1I'm not one for conspiracy theories, or holocaust denying for that matter, but you have to agree with me that most of the term holocaust has been defined by a media that was at a time trying to cast a bad light on the German state and its affairs. That said, debating the holocaust isn't restricted to if it happened or not, also the magnitude and causality can be disputed. Furthermore, your comment is far from appearing intelligent, and you seem to be one that get fed ***** easily. That is not a flame by the way, just a conclusion I made.
- JoeVet, on 10/22/2007, -1/+1Denying the holocaust is the only way you Neo Nazis feel you can enlarge your groups. Hate breeds hate and your hoping for more. You should go join your friends in Iran.
- ZeRux, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1Well, in that case I would like to have a debate with you about how many dicks your mother can suck at once without choking herself.
- sennmen, on 10/23/2007, -3/+1Everything is open for debate.
- ZenMojo, on 10/22/2007, -1/+7Just bring out a 300,000-page photo album called, "Things we lost in the fires," and flip through it for the batty *****.
- ec92009, on 10/24/2007, -5/+74What I liked most was the reaction of Chris Matthews (not a slow poke himself).
- Golov, on 10/22/2007, -20/+10I'm from Russia, and I would strongly disagree with Kasparov about the fake poll results about Putin's approval ratings. Everyone seems to like him, and for a reason. Putin = Stability
- FeargusMcDuff, on 10/22/2007, -3/+43His point was that you can't trust an opinion poll in a police state, he's right isn't he?
- ec92009, on 10/22/2007, -2/+19if by stability you meen staying in power without free elections then Stalin was even more likable, and so was Saddam Hussein.
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/22/2007, -2/+8I can't trust the polls in the US either, and you can't trust anything published by Rupert Murdock
http://digg.com/videos/educational/Employees_Expos ...- Bubba3236, on 10/21/2007, -0/+4Agreed, anyone else NOT ready to trust electronic voting?
- zeiben, on 10/22/2007, -3/+9You will be rewarded for your loyalty, comrade...
- MrESaulved, on 10/21/2007, -0/+5Unless you retreat! "Not one step back, Yuri..."
- Neiby, on 10/21/2007, -0/+4Thanks for making me want to spend the rest of the day playing that game again.
But it would not be a wasted day.
- Neiby, on 10/21/2007, -0/+4Thanks for making me want to spend the rest of the day playing that game again.
- MrESaulved, on 10/21/2007, -0/+5Unless you retreat! "Not one step back, Yuri..."
- donkz, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1I agree. Too bad, the majority of readers here are no better than any cornfield rednecks that swallow any piece of propaganda available through media.
Just because Kasparov challenged the statement about approval ratings, doesn't mean it's not true. Nice interview though.
- scoot87, on 10/31/2007, -27/+65Comments from a reddit user about this video:
If you have viewed the video and were left with a renewed sense of disdain for Putin's government and respect for Kasparov's work, then I wish you well. Your lack of knowledge of Russian politics has just been exploited to feed you propaganda.
It may surprise you to find out that Kasparov associates with a group you know well -- American neocons. In fact, he has received recognition for his work and was given a board seat by the National Security Advisory Council. This organization is promoting the same policy of "peace through American strength" which got US into Iraq and which has a policy of dismembering Russia in order to pass control over its natural resources to Western interests.
Given such a background it shouldn't be surprising that Kasparov is a fringe candidate in Russia and is closely monitored by authorities. Imagine that in the United States, a presidential candidate was advocating overthrowing the government and making US a vassal of another state. In fact there were such candidates in the US! How many of you know of Gus Hall or Angela Davis? Both were presidential/vice-presidential candidates from the United States Communist party. Both were prosecuted and marginalized by the media.
My point isn't to argue pros/cons of alternative systems of government. My point is that each government either in the United States or Russia is concerned first and foremost about its continuity, its self-preservation. Thus, the system's enforcers(FBI, CIA, KGB) closely monitor leaders who advocate the overthrow of the system of government, whether they are Kasparov or Gus Hall.
Everyone loves a good underdog story. Inviting Kasparov is a cheap way for Bill Maher to exploit the underdog perception to get rating. Actually the show has an eerily similarity to how TV shows in the Soviet Union interviewed Gus Hall and Angela Davis. The bottom line is that both sides used this approach to demonize their opponents.
Is everything great under in Russia under Putin? Of course not. The media is controlled by government corporations, the corruption by government officials is a roadblock in doing business in Russia and Russia's economic policy is ineffective in dealing with problems such as inflation. However, one cannot pass judgment on Putin's government based solely on the negatives. The net of Putin's rule is that he will leave the country in a better shape than what he inherited in 1998.
While the vast majority of Russians benefited from Putin's rule, some on the fringes did not. Most oligarchs who stole from the Russian nation under Yeltsin have had their loot taken back from them. Kasparov, like other accomplices of oligarchs lost their positions of power and influence. Now they are trying to restore their power, not by acknowledging the government's successes and offering to continue progress, but by wanting to overthrow the system.- satanatnmtedu, on 10/22/2007, -21/+3This isn't Reddit.
- cranium, on 10/23/2007, -20/+9***** you. It's bad enough digg gets all the blog spam it does, now you want to crosspost comments from other sites in the comment section?
Hey, Putin didn't spend all of those years in the KGB learning about fairness and freedom. He learned about controlling people through propaganda and oppression. You think people that know that aren't going to see right through your *****?- scoot87, on 10/24/2007, -5/+14So I guess when I see a great comment from another site about the same video, I can:
1. Copy and paste and make it look like my comment
2. Copy and paste and say where I got it from
3. Dont do anything and dont allow digg users to see another perspective- vat0r, on 10/22/2007, -0/+71 is definitely your best bet. This is America.
- cranium, on 10/22/2007, -4/+2May I suggest that you make an intelligent comment in your own words? That's what the comment section is for.
- scoot87, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5The comments sections is to discuss the digg story. To say a comment from a different source should not be posted does not spur further discussion and debate but lessens it to emotional babel and abrasive attitudes like saying "***** you". I am so sure that if the posted comments were to smear Putin, you would be all in favor of it. Sometimes it must really suck being objective, but thats the only way to discovering the truth or at least a better understanding of the situation,
- scoot87, on 10/24/2007, -5/+14So I guess when I see a great comment from another site about the same video, I can:
- zeiben, on 10/22/2007, -1/+13Explain the definition of "closely monitor" to all those dead journalists...
- scoot87, on 10/22/2007, -2/+6I am not defending the commenter's post whole-heartedly, but it is good for our critical thinking digg users out there to see a different aspect of this debate.
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/24/2007, -5/+14Let's keep in mind some of the claims Alexander Litvinenko made before he was poisoned. He claimed Putin blew up an apartment complex, claimed it was done by Chechen rebels and used it as an excuse to attack Chechnya. What a great guy. Do Russians believe Putin's side of the story?
It's kind of an interesting pattern in history since Hitler also blew up his own embassy, claimed communists did it and used it as an excuse to attack Russia. Isn't it interesting how how history repeats its self.- lkeg56demn, on 10/23/2007, -0/+7Hitler never blew up an embassy. The German parliament building was set on fire and that was blamed on a Dutch communist.
- Swoyer, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
- diggnitarial, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Pssst* nobody mention 911 in relation to these events! This is digg and we don't like to think about that!
- Shiftyeyedgoat, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7"It may surprise you to find out that Kasparov associates with a group you know well -- American neocons."
AAAAAND Gooodnight everybody! - ZenMojo, on 10/23/2007, -3/+8It's good to see an alternate perspective/more explored reality of the situation. I always thought Kasparov seemed a little too smug to be a peaceful revolutionary. I'm off to do some research...
- terrordome, on 10/22/2007, -5/+1Accidentally chose the wrong thumb, sorry about that.
- codered1322, on 10/23/2007, -12/+6reddit is for n00bs
- Vrevolution, on 10/23/2007, -6/+2Hey. stupid.... the first thing that Lenin did when he created USSR, was kill all the riches dudes and take all their money. And what, you think it did a lot of good *****?
- coodies4ever, on 10/22/2007, -1/+6Putin has slowly made every other political party in Russia illegal, controls the state media, and ensures that the only candidates that get elected in major elections are his puppets. He regularly bullies neighboring countries like Estonia and Latvia, interferes with fledgling democracies like Georgia and keeps neo-Stalinist dictatorships like that of Turkmenbashir in Turkmenistan in power (with China and others, of course). And Chechnya - they flattened Grozny, killed enormous amounts of civilians, and violated various conventions on torture, etc. Sure the economy is doing well, but it's because it's propped up by high oil prices, not because of his outstanding administration. If you consider an authoritarian and highly oppressive state that treats its neighbors belligerently (Putin) better than a corrupt, inefficient government (Yeltsin) than more power to you. I would be hard pressed to say which is better...but it probably wouldn't be Putin
- Makaras, on 10/22/2007, -1/+5My God, I can't even begin to explain what is wrong with this idiot's post. If you agree with this guy even slightly, please fact check about half of this opinionated pro-socialist propaganda. This guy is well off base with the neocon assessment, use of Russia's KGB (or whatever they are going by these days), and economic stability. If you think i am lying take the relative price of crude oil, and match it over a chart of Russia's economy, if you can't spot the similarities then I pity you. THe fact of the matter is, that if the world (or more to the point any two of China USA or Europe) were to somehow stop consuming oil tomorrow, the recession in Russia would be so immense that any positive growth that has occurred under their current dictatorship would not only be wiped out immediately, but Russia would revert back to post Soviet ruin.
- JoeVet, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3KGB is working over time on damage control on this thread. You need to go back to your purges in Russia and stay the away from away from the west. You can't control the people here as easily.
- rkiga, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Kasparov was given an "Keeper of the Flame" award in 1991 by the National Security Advisory Council / Center for Security Policy (neocon-leaning think tank), basically because Kasparov helped to create the Democratic Party of Russia in 1990. I've been trying to find some signs of Kasparov being a Neocon lover, but haven't been able to find anything. If you find anything, please point me to a credible source. The closest I could find was some bloggers saying that Kasparov was holding a Board seat at the CSP, which he denied.
Russia's economy as a whole has improved while Putin has been in power, but this has come at a cost of human rights and I don't think anyone is debating this latter fact. According to wikipedia, oil and natural gas make up 60% of Russia's total exports, that's HUGE. What happens when the incredibly inflated prices of oil come back down?
I don't know if Kasparov would be a good leader. Simply being against Putin and pro-democracy does not make you a saint, neither does being given an award by a neocon thinktank make you the devil.
Two good articles to read about Kasparov:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/01/0710 ...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/7days/story/0,,2180 ...
Also, four interviews of Kasparov are on CharlieRose.com
http://www.charlierose.com/search?q=kasparov&searc ...
- n0t0kayipr0mis3, on 10/22/2007, -13/+5Kasparov does make some great points and it's kinda hard to watch if you're a Mahar fan.
- satanatnmtedu, on 10/21/2007, -0/+7Why? I think Bill Maher isn't major blowhard, but the point of the show is to discuss the issues of the day not to make Bill Maher look good.
- mrogi, on 10/22/2007, -8/+0Kasparov tops the list in my Death Pool. Most likely cause of death; radiation poisoning.
- TexMurphy, on 10/23/2007, -2/+36Kasparov is impressive.
- arcangelgabriel, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2Well stated to say the least.
- stutimandal, on 10/22/2007, -2/+11Ah if only someone as logical as Kasparov took over the power! How strong the country would be :) Reminds me of Kautilya (Chanakya) from India (an ancient politician).
- satanatnmtedu, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4Who knows what would happen. Just because someone appears logical doesn't mean he will rule in a logical manner (or what you might construe as logical).
- ZenMojo, on 10/22/2007, -5/+1Just because Bush is less intelligent than every other president does not mean he's stupid. Just because he seems like an idiot does not necessarily make him so. A logical man can ***** up your ***** just as much as an illogical man, so don't get things twisted just because Kasparov is well-spoken.
- JoeVet, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2Uh yes it does mean he is stupid. Have you not picked up a newspaper in the last six years? And here's a clue.....if you are still trying to call him anything but stupid then you cannot be too bright either. Go back and read a book, get your GED and join the grownups.
- karnival, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1Chanakya was an amazingly brilliant man. Read up on him, you'd be surprised at his intelligence.
- doctorbasic, on 10/22/2007, -14/+3My girlfriend's dad grew up with this fella.
- SilverStandard, on 10/21/2007, -2/+3Who cares?
- hiPpymIck, on 10/24/2007, -2/+10..and..
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/21/2007, -1/+3So what is her opinion on the man's character? Any interesting stories from their child hood?
- doctorbasic, on 10/22/2007, -1/+2None.
- Me1000, on 10/22/2007, -1/+5... one time at band camp
oh, wait...
- bty2047, on 10/22/2007, -11/+8Impressive. But from what I have read Putin has stabilized Russia a bit. But I'm not from Russia so if a real Russian wants to comment go ahead.
- Fragowell, on 10/22/2007, -2/+6I couldn't tell you what he's actually doing, but there are corrupt and unethical ways to stabilize a country.
- JoeVet, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3Stalin stabilized Russia too. Purges tend to do that.
- antispammer, on 10/22/2007, -12/+13Can someone clarify this, it sounds like Kasparov is saying "jew political agenda" at 5:13, and at 6:48 "jew political tool"? I can't understand what he is saying.
- multitude, on 10/22/2007, -5/+8Wow, it does sound like that. I can't believe that he would say it though. Hope someone else can interpret this differently.
I missed this the first time I listened to it.- notque, on 10/22/2007, -1/+26geo-political.
- VanillaIcee, on 10/24/2007, -0/+36well, kasparov is half-jewish and was born Garri Weinstein, so this makes him being anti-semitic less likely but not impossible. but on closer listening its clear to me that:
Jew political agenda/tool = GEO-political agenda/tool
- multitude, on 10/22/2007, -5/+8Wow, it does sound like that. I can't believe that he would say it though. Hope someone else can interpret this differently.
- brandoj, on 10/22/2007, -19/+6Correct me if I'm wrong, but did he say "jew political tool"?
- frigid04, on 10/22/2007, -1/+21geo-political
- jmgoody311, on 10/22/2007, -2/+7Kasparov for President!!!
Oh, wait... - antispammer, on 10/23/2007, -6/+26Oh nevermind he is saying geopolitical not jew political.
- amneosis, on 10/22/2007, -0/+8He's Jewish himself btw.
- telnet, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3his mother is Armenian and his father is jewish
- deflective, on 10/24/2007, -1/+9why would a guy named antispammer not post his reply to the relevant comment?
- ColonelJessup, on 10/22/2007, -12/+9Kt-K B3 Kt-Q BS B-K8 B-Q Kt5 B-KtS P-QS P-K6 Kt-Q4 P-Q B3 B-Q2
Checkmate! - Curlz31, on 10/22/2007, -13/+1Paul/Kasparov 2008?
- OffPiste, on 10/21/2007, -8/+3If only the Democratic candidates were this smart. Unfortunately they are buffoons and we will be stuck with one of them for at least 4 years, ughh.
- Misinformant, on 10/22/2007, -0/+23impressed and outwitted are not synonyms
- VivaLaUndead, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1touche!
- designer, on 10/22/2007, -17/+8Bill Mahar is a douchebag.
- fivestarsoul, on 10/22/2007, -4/+8and dont even get me started on bill maher
- rowlodge, on 10/22/2007, -9/+4sounds like wheel of fortune, clap at someone dropping a pencil, clap,clap,clap.
- MrESaulved, on 10/23/2007, -0/+15Gary Kasparov Story: 2003, New York City Athletic Club after Gary made a rare losing blunder against X3D Fritz in the long and hard 2nd game of the match. I asked him as he was walking off the stage, "How do you weigh the difference in choices a chess program makes vs. the ones thinking people do?"
He answered quoting Skinner, "My record against humans compared to that against machine opponents leads me to ask not if machines think, but if people do."
GM Kasparov is brilliant, dedicated, and the fiercest chess competitor you could ever face and humbly lose. Only the best in the world have a slim chance of besting him, they can hope for draw.- TsuruchiBrian, on 10/25/2007, -0/+2Putin should have a computer as his running mate. That will show Gary "I'm so ***** smart but not against robots" Kasparov
- HotDiggidy, on 10/22/2007, -14/+6Bill claims to be a rationalist, someone who emphasizes observable facts and excludes metaphysical speculation about origins or ultimate causes. How can it be that Billy-boy or any of his guests will not address the Bldg.7 collapse? What is wrong with discussing the collapse of a building that was not hit by a plane? At first listen Bill seems to be a progressive thinker, but then he erects a roadblock in front of progress.
- fcukbush, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3"Billy-boy" isn't a rationalist... He believes in homeopathy.
He's just trying to jump on the rationalist bandwaggon.
Oh, I nearly forgot... They don't call conspiricy nuts conspiricy nuts for nothing. - codered1322, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5Because they understand physics.
- fcukbush, on 10/22/2007, -0/+3"Billy-boy" isn't a rationalist... He believes in homeopathy.
- zeigual, on 10/22/2007, -0/+19damn... i need to play more chess.
- MrESaulved, on 10/22/2007, -1/+41. d4
Mate in 34. I win.
- MrESaulved, on 10/22/2007, -1/+41. d4
- vat0r, on 10/22/2007, -2/+9Regardless of his agenda it is obvious that he is on a level of intelligence we could only fantasize of achieving.
- antipoet, on 10/22/2007, -3/+0Bah, we could start by ding a little more reading. I don't mean the articles on digg either.
- mikesuds, on 10/22/2007, -2/+3That was really amazing to me
- ashwinashwin, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5just saw the same on TV... as chris matthews said after, "our guys" never reach this level of sophistication...
- bitspace, on 10/22/2007, -3/+7"Mahar?" That name looks oddly similar to "Maher."
- Monstradamus, on 10/22/2007, -14/+6Wow, this interview made me sad. Fortunately Kasparov has no chance at winning the elections. All he is doing is trying to get the westerners on his side to help get himself some of the money/power he lost under Putin. He says that polls should not be considered valid in a police state. Ok I am with him on that, but I don't see any police state. Russia is not Stalin's Soviet Union any more. You don't get executed for crime-think anymore. He is saying that there are a lot of people not content with Putin's government... ok, sure a whole 30% if you look at the approval ratings. Especially, I would think, the members of the neo-nazi party Kasparov has sided with recently.
Blah, pardon this incoherent rant, and disregard the video as Kasparov is a douche- fragglet, on 10/22/2007, -2/+6Russia _wasn't_ the Soviet Union for the past decade, but it appears to be going back in that direction. Just look at the disturbing trends taking place in Russia, like the "Nashi" youth organisation. You think Russia doesn't perform executions any more? What about the poisoning of Viktor Yushcenko (the anti-Russian Ukranian leader) or Alexander Litvinenko, whose death appears to have been an assassination by the KGB?
One of the political parties that opposes Putin, Yabloko, was even banned from elections recently. Maybe Russia isn't a police state yet but it's not hard to see it being one in a few years from now. - ZenMojo, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5Putin went on a binge closing down media outlets a few years ago and it slipped under the MSM radar. I wouldn't be surprised if there simply aren't any left anymore.
- Mongo61, on 10/25/2007, -0/+4Naw, no police state tactics in Russia. Just ask Anna Politkovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko.
- fragglet, on 10/22/2007, -2/+6Russia _wasn't_ the Soviet Union for the past decade, but it appears to be going back in that direction. Just look at the disturbing trends taking place in Russia, like the "Nashi" youth organisation. You think Russia doesn't perform executions any more? What about the poisoning of Viktor Yushcenko (the anti-Russian Ukranian leader) or Alexander Litvinenko, whose death appears to have been an assassination by the KGB?
- Soytaco, on 10/24/2007, -2/+40He should go on O'Reilly
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP Ok cut his mic, CUT HIS MIC- Japan1, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5I am sitting here dying laughing...because that's so true. It's sad, but exactly how the interview would go.
- hustl3, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2O'Reilly is a DUMBASS
- simplistics06, on 10/22/2007, -7/+1Just be glad theres someone like Putin to stop Bush from wreaking total havoc on the world
- Goobernutz, on 10/22/2007, -13/+4Bill Maher is just an ex-comedian pot-head. I'm surprised it took this long for someone to make him look silly. The intellectual level of "debate" in the U.S. is woeful. But this is just entertainment after all. Imagine george bush on question time!
- MrESaulved, on 10/22/2007, -2/+5You didn't even watch the video. Well, nothing you wrote indicated you did.
The show is about ideas and talking about them. It's not the Let's all Ball Bill Maher Vanity Hour. - gquaglia, on 10/22/2007, -2/+4Bill Maher is funny?
- cranium, on 10/22/2007, -1/+3His show is doing quite well, a lot of people think he's funny.
- MrESaulved, on 10/22/2007, -2/+5You didn't even watch the video. Well, nothing you wrote indicated you did.
- leftykiller, on 10/22/2007, -14/+12Outwitting Maher is not much of an accomplishment.
- TsuruchiBrian, on 10/22/2007, -1/+2Yeah I totally agree. Tell me what show you are on so I can watch that instead.
- mminor, on 10/22/2007, -6/+5It's pretty obvious that this conversation was setup to an extent. There is a certain flow to it, and the statements Bill Maher makes are just a cue to Kasparov saying certain things. I don't want to discredit the possibility that the guy is smart, but really, any political monkey can sound intelligent with a pre-planned speech and cues to start and finish at.
- cranium, on 10/22/2007, -0/+6George W. Bush can't.
- carterbaldwin, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2Photoshopped.
- almostM, on 10/22/2007, -6/+1I wonder if I'm the only one that read that as Cheesemaster...
- MrESaulved, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1I can certainly see where you are coming from, BM seemed to ask leading questions in some instances and the replies were outstanding, but if you read a prior comment of mine in this Digg I relate a personal moment with Gary Kasparov when he spontaneously displayed fast and penetrating wit, just after the rare loss of a game in a embarrassing (in a way only to him) fashion. Find it if you can...
- MagicCake, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1Incidentally, I was eating a piece of cheese as I watched this earlier on TV.
I know, this contributes nothing to the discussion...
- RollFizzlebeef, on 10/22/2007, -3/+6Kasparov is not trying to "outwit" anyone in this interview.
That headline was clearly written by a "Truth"er nutjob that still has his feelings hurt.- Mongo61, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4Very misleading. I saw this live and there was no antagonism whatsoever. Kasparov had to set Bill right on a couple of points, but it was all very congenial.
BTW, what mother tongue is it that Bush thinks in 'cuz it can't be English.- clothmonkey, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1Gibbonics?
- Mongo61, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4Very misleading. I saw this live and there was no antagonism whatsoever. Kasparov had to set Bill right on a couple of points, but it was all very congenial.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 10/24/2007, -2/+12The best "take away information" in this interview;
Putin likes destabilization in the Middle East -- that's why he sends weapons to one country or another. If there is warfare, the price of oil goes higher -- Putin's regime depends upon high oil prices. I'm suprised Mr. Bush didn't realize that sooner.
>> I'd add that I'm sure Prez Bush not only realizes this -- but he's counting on it. They can play "bad cop -- worse cop" all day, and growl at each other. Another cold war would be nice for both of these despots -- not only would high oil prices make their friends rich, the war footing would justify their existence. In peace time, nobody would want the "strong" men. So they engineer threats.- thurows, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1Dugg your comment because you refer-ed (pun intended) to him as mister bush and not president. He is not a president.
- clothmonkey, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Oh if only that were true.
- thurows, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1Dugg your comment because you refer-ed (pun intended) to him as mister bush and not president. He is not a president.
- tbenathan, on 10/22/2007, -1/+6mminor, that was no setup. That's called candor and wit and intelligence.
Those weren't "tested lines" Kasparov was using. Those were his quick thoughts put to words, cogent and succinct. - sethosayher, on 10/21/2007, -0/+1Cool video, saw him on Colbert. Very articulate and I think, from what I've seen of him, that he's really dedicated to the cause of a truly free Russia. I would like to subscribe to his newsletter....
- westvaco, on 10/23/2007, -9/+5In Russia Kasparov is known as a very poor debater. The only reason why he looks like a brilliant statesman in America can be summed up by the simple fact that Americans voted for Bush and Clinton TWICE to be their leaders. What else more is there to say?
- schrankage, on 10/22/2007, -1/+5That was depressing.
- jeliel, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4The comment about sophistication at the end is especially interesting.
- outsid3rNo17, on 10/22/2007, -0/+4"His arguments are the most intelligent and concise of any guest I've seen Mahar talk to."
Sometimes it helps having an IQ of 180. - jmpeagle, on 10/22/2007, -1/+5it's sad that in America, percieving to be educated is looked down upon. Right-wing pundits often call places of higher education, especially the ones that offer some of the best education the world has to offer, "elite liberal institutions" as if that is some sort of insult.
- JoeVet, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1If more people were educated there would be less of them. They have to keep people stupid if they want their numbers up.
- boscheironymous, on 10/22/2007, -4/+2Brilliant! Further reveals Maher's stupidity.
- MrESaulved, on 10/22/2007, -1/+3Not at all, Maher recognized each and every one of Gary's points, and gave him due respect. It was a great exchange. Did you even watch it? Sounds like you didn't.
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