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"I Didn't Realize that When You Shoot Somebody, They Die"

abcnews.go.com — It was Feb. 19, 1997. Twelve-gauge shotgun to his shoulder, Ramsey, then 16, traveled the halls and scared his classmates as random shots filled the air. When it was over, when the police had Ramsey arrested, and a basketball star and the school principal lay dead. Ramsey "I honestly believed that if you shoot somebody, that they would get back up"

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  • raysaagar, on 06/12/2008, -16/+85someone forgot the /invincible hacks.
    • mtg1287, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6everyone else?
    • panic, on 06/12/2008, -1/+13IDDQD
    • mattlohkamp, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4It's easy - just hit ` to bing up the console, type 'god', hit enter.
      • alexforcefive, on 06/12/2008, -1/+9kids these days, with their easy to remember cheats. Why, when I was your age we had to hard code our cheats in binary! By hand! And we LIKED it!

        PS you forgot sv_cheats 1
    • Condemned, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4He just needed one more for the UAV.
    • jebus123, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Obviously, the shotgun didn't carry adequate warning label as to the potential of death from usage. It's the manufacturers fault.
  • ArnoldPettibone, on 07/21/2008, -2/+559Yeah, okay - blame your friends and video games, and nice touch with the whole "I didn't know guns killed people" thing; so full of *****. 210 years sounds about right...
    • Zuggy, on 06/12/2008, -2/+111Stupidity like that deserves to be removed from the breeding population
      • piper999, on 06/12/2008, -0/+33It does seem like a rather weak legal defense. Apart from anything else didn't he notice after the first murder that something wasn't quite right there? Like all the blood and stuff?
        • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -1/+19and maybe the fact that they....DIDN'T get up? lol
        • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -9/+1@evie
          "and maybe the fact that they....DIDN'T get up? lol"
          Funny?
        • Armando57, on 06/13/2008, -1/+4(Blowing whistle) Okay, you, out of the gene pool. A defense this lame deserves the death penalty and whatever lawyer filed it needs to be disbarred. We might even want to look at any news reporter who gives this punk ANY credibility. He deserves nothing less than punchline status and maybe poster boy nomination for abortion advertisements.
      • daRoach, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12Seriously, I hold people like Jack Thompson responsible. He is putting the idea into these kids minds the blame for their actions can be shifted to video games or other media.
      • Avaseal, on 06/13/2008, -2/+5500 more years of this and we'll be drinking Brawndo out of hospital water bubblers and President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho (Porn-Star/Champion Wrestler) will be in charge!
      • geauxtig3rs, on 06/13/2008, -2/+0@ Avaseal

        Buried for innacuracy
        • banik2008, on 06/13/2008, -2/+0@ geauxtig3rs

          Use the Reply button.
    • mal1964, on 06/12/2008, -31/+3If I knew more about the case I could and might believe him.
      • Chassit, on 06/12/2008, -0/+28That is almost as pathetic as his claim.
      • stix213, on 06/12/2008, -0/+24And if I knew more about alchemy I might be rich....
      • mal1964, on 06/12/2008, -8/+3Remember I said "if i knew more about the case"
        "I could and might believe him"
        I never said i did believe him.
        • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4You mean you think he may have some very real kind of mental illness that would have prevented him from understanding right from wrong, reality from fiction? That sort of thing?

          I do usually like to play devil's advocate just to stir things up ( which you have already done so I won't lol) but I have to say, if that were a possibility, don't you think it would have come up and been looked in to? And let's say it DID come up and was looked in to, he is in jail. They obviously believed he's a lying sack of crap and there is nothing chemically wrong with him that would excuse this behavior.
        • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -2/+1"You mean you think he may have some very real kind of mental illness that would have prevented him from understanding right from wrong, reality from fiction? That sort of thing?"
          No I have no nothing because i don't know anything about the case, And this story doesn't give me anything for me to make a fair judgment.
          "If I knew more about the case I could and might believe him"
          How could anyone kill him from this story?
        • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1"No I have no nothing because i don't know anything about the case"
          "How could anyone kill him from this story?"
        • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1@evie
          I believe what i know, Not what someone tells me. He might be a cold-hearted killer but this story doesn't tell me that .
        • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Ok mal. I really don't know what you're trying to say.

          The story is exactly that. He is a killer. He killed people. Surely you aren't implying that he DIDN'T kill these people?....You ask us what makes it so easy to believe he is a killer? What makes you think he ISN'T? His oh so sad face?

          you said "And this story doesn't give me anything for me to make a fair judgment."
          See above.


        • pyro789x, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1So what you're saying is that you believe in guilty until proven innocent?
        • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1@evie, This is my original comment and what I'm saying is for me to believe him I'd need more info, that's all.
          "If I knew more about the case I could and might believe him"
    • 471776, on 06/12/2008, -10/+49I think we just need to educate him - the prison sentence is wasteful and pointless.

      Here's an idea: lets shoot him with a shotgun a few times and leave him bleeding for a while. This will allow him to experience first hand the dangers of such weapons, and afterwards I'm sure he'll no longer be inclined to shoot people. Plus, he can stop wasting taxpayer money with his useless, wasteful existence, and maybe even give a little back to the community by fertilizing some trees or something.
      • mal1964, on 06/12/2008, -14/+3He was 16 years old. Kill him is your answer?
        • 471776, on 06/12/2008, -3/+27Yes. For two reasons:

          1) It's a fair punishment for the crime. At that age, you should know that guns kill people. Nobody is stupid enough to not realize this, and if they are, they shouldn't be loose in society.

          2) He's gonna spend his life in prison anyway. You could even argue that a death sentence is more merciful than lifetime imprisonment. For the remainder of his life (probably quite a while), he'll just use up tax dollars and contribute absolutely nothing to anyone. He might be paroled after 2066, by which time he'll be so completely insane that he'd be a bigger threat than when he was sentenced.
        • Snoosy, on 06/12/2008, -2/+6100% agreed. Sometimes the "eye for an eye" philosophy seems like the best.
        • Dajhan, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Agree
        • mntbikeracer1, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4I damn well knew guns killed people at age 16. Lets stop wasting money having these people sit in prison and disallow repetitive appeals to the death penalty in cases as cut and dry as this and get rid of the ***** that is populating the human gene pool.
        • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -2/+2@mntbike
          You do know juries make mistakes right?
        • Armando57, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Yes, kill this punk before he starts breeding. We need to give assholes the message that lame defenses like this are *****. They only make it more difficult for people who might actually be innocent to get a fair trial.
      • mikedoth, on 06/12/2008, -2/+2I think he kind of self taught himself. He just needs to be behind bars so he doesn't do it again and claim stupidity.
      • theratster, on 06/12/2008, -0/+9agreed.

        "I didn't realize that when you shoot somebody, they die"

        I suggest we use him to test his theory...
        • Mikhail101, on 06/13/2008, -3/+1Lets put on invul hacks so he doesnt die
      • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1@anyone, What do you know about the case besides this story?
    • Tyrghast, on 06/12/2008, -10/+4You can't deny the long term effect of genetic weeding (through sterilization or death sentence): If done correctly, in about 40 years (it will probably take closer to 80 years to see the full effects, but 40 is enough to start seeing a difference in the curve) we'll see a reduction of crime and a society with much less animosity towards one another. In any case, I really don't feel all that great about my tax dollars going to feed, clothe and house idiots like this.
      • nathanww, on 06/13/2008, -3/+2Instead your tax dollars we be going towards caring for all the people who have horrible genetic diseases.
      • bitcloud, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Mein Kamf much?

        sounds good... maybe if we're lucky the person who implements will write social darwinists like you out of the gene pool....
    • nathanww, on 06/12/2008, -12/+3He could be telling the truth. If I walked up to an average person, pointed to a random part of their body, and asked them what would happen to them if they got shot there, most people wouldn't have a clue,other than that they would be seriously injured. Nor would most of them be able to realistically estimate their chances of dying. In the absence of that sort of information, it's very easy to adopt the book/game/movie version, where in most cases the effects of injury are dramatically under-represented.
      • mntbikeracer1, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4If you shoot my arm I bleed from my arm... Insert any body part. People know guns kill you cannot justify his stance.
      • mal1964, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Most diggers in here are killing him with the title of the story.
    • holymrack, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3I don't even care if he said it, or actually thought that. The reporter had no business using that as the title for this article.

      I almost would applaud whoever wrote it, the article is great and focuses on the real causes for these kinds of things. But instead they chose some sensationalist title that has nothing to do with the rest of the story.
    • vstro24, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3Looks like he tryed to pull a dave chappelle. lol :D

      Im sorry officer, I didn't know i couldn't do that.
    • Ladymongoose, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3What complete and utter nonsense. 6 years old...maybe...16? Forget it. This is as lame as the Twinkie Defense.
    • assbeard, on 06/13/2008, -1/+3seriously... is his IQ 30 or something? what a load of *****
    • bpeacock22, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Probably what he is telling himself so often so he'll force himself to actually start believing it. Wow.....
  • Frozenpython, on 06/12/2008, -7/+433What a lying sack of *****. If you're that stupid you deserve to rot in prison.
    • Cannon49, on 06/12/2008, -2/+73Logged in just to give you the thumbs up. If you're 16 and can't comprehend what a gun does you are best served behind bars. At least now he can't pass on his stupidity to another generation.
      • *jooloop*, on 06/12/2008, -0/+9That, and it says that his friends told him "Make sure you shoot these people..." Wouldn't that make you realize that it would get rid of those people?
    • polarbear66, on 06/12/2008, -1/+19and to think, 16, he was able to get a driver's license - and pick up Niko to go run over some Hookers.

      Not sure why I Cap'd Hookers.
    • rblancarte, on 06/12/2008, -0/+45Agreed.

      I think the first comment (at ABC.com) I read said it best:

      "I honestly don't believe a single word he saying, I knew him when he was a kid. Where did he get something like.....I didn't know when you shoot something it dies, I mean, come on he grew up here in Bethel where residents go out hunting for food for their families. There is no excuse for what he did, He knew exactly what he was doing that morning, he had his hit list in his pocket, and headed for his targets. For him to say his friends made him do it, after all these years? He didn't even have a tear in his eye when he first went to court, didn't even say a word. Everybody gets bullied, but they are "responsible" for their own actions."
    • Dajhan, on 06/13/2008, -3/+2I understand your concern and I agree with it.Just the word...

      "Everybody gets bullied..."

      Have you been bullied everyday you come to your school, or at home? I agree that everybody should be responsible enough for their actions, specially 16. But those who bullied others must realize, also what's the effect of what their doin'.

      Like if even if its you and me, you'll hear me, saying bad things to you everyday, and hurt you emotionally and/or physically everyday. What would you do to me?
  • MCBowelmovement, on 06/12/2008, -10/+173I wonder if he realizes what's about to become of his butthole.
    • the0ther, on 06/12/2008, -1/+19i hear that if you eat enough cheese, they'll leave your butthole alone
    • Satanael, on 06/12/2008, -1/+20I thought your name was McBowelmovement, like a free bonus with every meal at McDonald's.
    • mnemy, on 06/12/2008, -1/+26I think his butthole is already experienced. I didn't read the whole article, but he did it in '97, and is already serving his term.
    • hmunkey, on 06/12/2008, -1/+3*Kool Aid Man voice* "Oh yeahhhh."
    • sup4141, on 06/12/2008, -4/+10As much as I think this guy deserves to rot in hell, I hate jokes about people getting ass raped in prison. Its no wonder guys who get out of prison are so ***** up in the head. I am not saying that this is THE reason but I just don't think this kind of ***** is funny.

      Go ahead and bury me.
      • aaron552, on 06/13/2008, -2/+3Thumbed up. You're right. STFU everyone else
        And bury me too.
  • angusm, on 06/12/2008, -3/+239If you can reach the age of sixteen without realizing that people die when you shoot them, then the problem is more than just videogames: there's something wrong with your whole education.
    • bpoteat, on 06/12/2008, -1/+25i don't think there's any education available that could fix that guy's brain.
    • stix213, on 06/12/2008, -0/+22Nothing wrong with his education.... he's just a lier in addition to being a murderer, and he thinks blaming video games might let him get out while he is still living.
    • tehbored, on 06/13/2008, -0/+7Either he's a psychopath or he's lying. For some reason, I'm leaning towards psychopath because I think a sane person would realize that no one would believe crazy ***** like this.
      • Niightwitch, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2...or he could be a lying psychopath.
    • Dajhan, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2Yeah, and now, you guys are paying for his everyday meal, clothing and shelter.

      You Americans are kind.
    • Lukesed, on 06/13/2008, -0/+6If this guy doesn't know guns kill you his parents didn't show him enough violent movies.
      • Testiculese, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2But you see the same actor in another movie the next year!
  • ichbeineinrcg, on 06/12/2008, -4/+201"Gosh, if only my friends had stopped me, or I hadn't had Nintendo! Waaaaaah!"

    This kid is a douche, and he's right where he belongs.
    • debuggercll, on 06/12/2008, -1/+15Yeah. I doubt NASA is going to suffer without his presence.
      • sooperspook, on 06/12/2008, -1/+24I doubt even NASCAR is going to suffer without his presence.
        • Ebulating, on 06/13/2008, -1/+3I doubt even the WWE is going to suffer without his presence.
        • aaron552, on 06/13/2008, -4/+1I doubt even YOUR FACE is going to suffer without his presence.
        • arunforce, on 06/13/2008, -3/+1I doubt even YOUR MOM is going to suffer without his presence.
  • suzywang3000, on 06/12/2008, -59/+4interesting defense... quite clever if you ask me...
    • bagelmaster, on 06/12/2008, -0/+19Food for Jack Thompson and other dickbags like him if you ask me.
    • ShempRider, on 06/12/2008, -0/+11If he convinced the parole board that he'd served his 210 years...THAT would be clever.
    • 471776, on 06/12/2008, -0/+13You'd have to be straight-up retarded to fall for that excuse. Even if he's telling the truth, he's too dangerous to be released into society.
    • Taquoshi, on 06/12/2008, -0/+5And what kind of clever defense would his victims give, "We were just doing our jobs?" or "I was just finishing up some paperwork, when WHAM!"

      Unfortunately, unlike the shooter, the victims didn't get a defense lawyer, a trial by jury and they won't get a chance before the parole board nor do they get time off for good behavior. They won't get a chance to do an interview with the media nor did they have a chance to talk to their families and friends.

      Wonder how he's adjusted to prison life and if he likes the food?? Wonder if he thought about that before he pulled the trigger, or did he think he'd be dead, along with his victims?

  • Deodrus, on 06/12/2008, -7/+326"I didn't know that if I stick my dick in his *****, it would actually go in".
    - His Prison Roomate
    • DaLukeMan, on 06/12/2008, -7/+11best comment ever
    • Evie1851, on 06/12/2008, -3/+2indeed.
    • Dajhan, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Nice!!!!!!!
    • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2you dirty rotten -digg diggers!
      lol
    • Andyl194, on 06/13/2008, -0/+6This is a serious question:
      Does everyone in prison get raped? Honestly I would like to know because I get that idea from everyone on this site and in every prison movie, someone gets raped... in tha butt
      • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2WHAT WHAT in the BUTT
        • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -0/+4sorry i didn't have a serious answer. I could only think of south park....
        • sleepwalkers, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3You wanna do it in my butt, in my butt?
        • Evie1851, on 06/13/2008, -1/+2let's do it in the butt OKAYYY

          hahaha
      • Grungitude, on 06/13/2008, -0/+3A serious answer is no. That's like asking, "Does every crackhead have missing teeth?".
  • ThinkBox, on 06/12/2008, -6/+67"Ramsey said his friends taught him about guns"

    They didnt teach him squat, they taught him they were "cool" and his parents did nothing.

    Education has to com from parents - when will people learn that?
    • insomniac8400, on 06/12/2008, -2/+18When parents are charged along with their kids.
      • blindmonkey, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Even though I agree with that statement for a case like this one, but if the kid is just ***** up, and the parents couldn't have done anything about it, it would be a different story then.
        • insomniac8400, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I think the rule of thumb could easily be something like if they live under your roof, you are responsible.
      • aaron552, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Interesting idea...
        The people responsible for a minor are charged with the minor...
        If it was made into a law (which it won't be), it might even make parents pay closer attention to what their kids are doing and saying.
        • insomniac8400, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Imagine having the parent charged just like the sicko when their kid goes online looking for older people to have sex with. The second that happens, parents won't be letting their kids talk to random people online.
      • Lunarbunny, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I don't think this is the right way to approach this though. I mean how would this be any different than regulating the sale of video games? Perhaps an aggressive ad campaign would be the more...dare I say it, American way of doing this.

        I do however agree this is just some Jack Thompson-esque scare article though. I think that anybody with half a goddamn brain knows what the hell a gun does.
  • inputname, on 06/12/2008, -1/+304Shesh, everybody knows that when you shoot someone they don't just get back up. They come back at the spawn point.
    • Zuwxiv, on 06/12/2008, -1/+50Seriously, what ***** retarded video game has you shoot somebody and then they get back up? How would multiplayer work on that?

      "Got you!" "I'm back, now I got you!" "Oh I'm back, I'm getting you" "Not if I get you first"

      Even his ***** defense is full of *****.
      • d0onut, on 06/12/2008, -4/+3Well, that works in GTA4. Just sayin'.
    • LogicBomB, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2So I guess the Medic classes out there are all unemployed in your world?
  • wynja, on 06/12/2008, -5/+37Nobody is that ***** stupid without needing to wear a helmet full time and needing assistance to whip his ass.
    • FlyingSpaghetti, on 06/12/2008, -1/+12Whip his ass?

      =Wooootish!=
    • MarkOfTheDead, on 06/12/2008, -1/+13Nice freudian typo, what's on YOUR mind?
    • luchid, on 06/13/2008, -2/+1You OBVIOUSLY haven't been to Texas.
  • seanberry, on 06/12/2008, -18/+6Welcome to the LOLreset Generation.
  • franklymister, on 06/12/2008, -30/+41And this is why EDUCATION is a better idea than so-called "gun control."

    If gun safety classes had been required in his school, much like driver's education or sex education is offered, he could have grown up understanding and respecting the power of firearms.

    Guns, cars, and sex are all wonderful things that can kill you if you aren't responsible. We should be educating kids about all of them.
    • monkeyangst, on 06/12/2008, -0/+42Oh, come on. Lack of education was NOT this kid's problem. Do you actually believe him when he says that, at the age of 16, he didn't know that guns killed people? He was SIXTEEN. He is not retarded. He knew exactly what he was doing, and now he's trying to deflect blame.
    • IllBeBack, on 06/12/2008, -1/+28Come on. You're not actually falling for his statement that he DID NOT KNOW that the people would die if he shot them?

      If you are falling for this, I have some prime swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell you for $47 million dollars. The land is chock full of oil. Interested?
      • jp12380, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5The question is, what does he think he is going to get out of this? Who put him up to this? What are they going to give him for saying this?

        Or does saying this just make him feel better about what he did? Like convincing yourself it is the truth so that you can feel better about what you did.
        • Gutterpunk, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3What do you mean by "who put him up to this"? Doesn't he have parents? Or a lawyer? It's not about what they are going to give him for saying this, getting less than 210 years of prison is motivation enough to become a lying bag of stupid don't you think?

          Life is not all conspiracy. It's stupid people as well
        • SpeedSteamBoat, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6He's probably just as dishonest with himself about it as he is with everyone else.
        • jp12380, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Gutterpunk, I realize that someone putting him up to saying this is not the only feasible scenario.

          You have to wonder if there are people that can pull strings to get him more privileges in prison, possibly get his sentence shortened that are apart of the anti video game campaign if he comes out and spews this drivel.

          Or if like speedsteamboat said, he probably is saying this to make himself feel better, I know if I was living with guilt for doing something it would ease my guilt to think I did it out of ignorance vs out of malice.

          Either way, I hope we don't hear any of the media idiots spinning this story to be anti video game.
    • stix213, on 06/12/2008, -1/+9I agree that gun control wouldn't have solved the problem, but I can't believe you would fall for his BS excuse. He knew damn well what he was doing. You don't make a hit list when you think they are going to get back up so you can sit next to them in class the next day.

      Did he also not realize that shooting people (even if they magically get back up) was going to be against school rules?
      • h4k0r, on 06/12/2008, -1/+3He's not falling for his BS excuse. It seems like he is saying that if this was actually taught then there wouldn't be any room for excuses like this one. It would protect the industry that he is trying to blame, and save millions of tax dollars spent trying to prove what everyone already knows. This guy is full of *****.
    • brainboy77, on 06/12/2008, -5/+3guns are wonderful? sex and cars i can agree on but guns?
    • RogueMountie, on 06/13/2008, -4/+3How exactly is a gun a "wonderful thing"? Gun nuts make me sick! Gun education in high school???
  • Condottieri, on 06/12/2008, -4/+126RESPAWN IN
    10...
    9...
    8...
    7...
  • jp12380, on 06/12/2008, -18/+12It's video games fault the guy was an idiot!!!

    It really is!
    • Chassit, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4Spare us your lies Jack.
    • jp12380, on 06/12/2008, -4/+4You know whats funny, first few people that saw my comment got that it was sarcasm and then after that I got a bunch of people digging me down.
      • 2h3px, on 06/12/2008, -5/+2I feel like digging both of your comments down because you explained your joke. Here's a hint if you have to explain a joke, it's not funny and no amount of exclimation points can save it.
        • jp12380, on 06/12/2008, -2/+3Well I don't feel I should have to explain it, really who here would initially think that statement I made is not sarcasm? I guess a lot of people here just don't think when they read comments.
        • 2h3px, on 06/12/2008, -2/+1And clearly they don't think when they make jokes.
      • Gutterpunk, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4To be fair, it wasn't very funny or original...
  • suckanucka, on 06/12/2008, -2/+27I hope he remembered to capture the flag.
  • seanmx, on 06/12/2008, -3/+6He should have blown on the guy a little bit, that always worked for me on Mario
  • Azselendor, on 06/12/2008, -20/+2cue fred thompson
    • JohnsonGotOwned, on 06/12/2008, -1/+12You mean Jack?
    • Azselendor, on 06/12/2008, -2/+10oh yeah, him too. lol
    • twiztidsinz, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Too bad (for you) he's disbarred...
      • Azselendor, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2why'd they end his zaniness.

        I really wanted to see him top the gay porn he filed in the public court system
  • sillymeganlee, on 06/12/2008, -2/+58Wait, there are no respawn points in real life?
    WHAT IF I GET LAG OUT THERE?!


    Also, the editing of this article sucks. "When it was over, when the police had Ramsey shackled in cuffs, and a basketball star and the school principal lay dead. "
    • baybluangel, on 06/12/2008, -0/+10The editor and the kid have one thing in common....low IQ
    • megamod, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2wait...they shackled Ramsey to the corpses (one to each hand) and made him carry them?

      I guess they figured if he made the mess, he would have to clean it up...niiiice
    • Hunkadoodle, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Dugg up for proofreading skills.
  • Shadowgamers, on 06/12/2008, -3/+4Someone didn't say Buddah...
    • verkon, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Oh, now what was that, take damage but don't die?
  • pidey, on 06/12/2008, -2/+141Wow. Hasn't he ever seen this picture?
    http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t273/KrisS7777/ ...
  • OrangeofDoom, on 06/12/2008, -14/+7People die if they are killed.
  • Luth, on 06/12/2008, -0/+42... bull *****. $10 says its his Jack-Thompson-lawyer talking.
    • eleete, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2That's the first thing I thought of too, and if there is a lawyer dumb enough to use that as a defense, then he should be disbarred and sent to the principals current office.
      • Armando57, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Maybe we need to write some laws calling for the Death Penalty when a lawyer comes up with this stupid of a defense.
  • Schmapdi, on 06/12/2008, -0/+20Wait till he learns what prison shivs can do to people!
  • BlackJackJester, on 06/12/2008, -0/+50Even video games tell you that when you shoot someone, they don't get back up. Isn't that the whole point of most video games?
    • petebot, on 06/12/2008, -0/+14hey...yeah! You're supposed to kill everybody.They stay dead! WTF?!?!?1
      • petebot, on 06/12/2008, -1/+16I can't believe I just did the "1" thing.
    • linagee, on 06/12/2008, -0/+4Mario jumps off the screen when he dies.
    • Gutterpunk, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Yeah, only the player gets back up. *boom* Self-head shot!
    • DarkJesus, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7Yeah, I wanted to post that. Wouldn't a game where all the bad guys get straight back up be very very hard, probably impossible?
      • mookieXL, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2As hard as Doom on Nightmare difficulty.
  • Spartan1911, on 06/12/2008, -22/+8210 year sentence...

    Only in America would you hear logic like this.
    • DreKor, on 06/12/2008, -0/+8Would you prefer that we kill him. That's really the only other option here.
      • linagee, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6Another option is to increase the number of years even more.
      • aaron552, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Or just leave his corpse in prison for the remainder of his sentence after he dies
    • 471776, on 06/12/2008, -0/+7Not really, at all.
  • chrisrikli, on 06/12/2008, -0/+57If he's that searingly stupid, he's right where he belongs.
    If he's NOT that stupid, he's still right where he belongs.
    Society wins.
  • kookbutt, on 06/12/2008, -5/+26People like this are breeding everyday. Ever notice how hardworking, honest, intelligent people only have one or two kids but while trailer trash idiots seem to have 8 kids and they start early and most likely by the time they are 36, they are grandparents already. The human population is getting dumber.
    • gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -0/+13yeah we know, Mike Judge made a movie about it.
    • Damovisa, on 06/12/2008, -0/+14Idiocracy: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
    • stanfy86, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3yayyy for idiocracy
    • stix213, on 06/12/2008, -9/+3ehhh, FYI - Trailer trash "idiots" know how to use guns and that people don't get back up.... Its the city living people who usually have never fired one in their life, never taught their children how to respect the power of a gun, and have children that see one and assume it is a toy and blow their heads of by accident.
      • mattlohkamp, on 06/12/2008, -2/+5what? what are you talking about? are you even a real person? repeat after me - "stereotypes are NOT reality."
        • stix213, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1You are 100% wrong. First of all, all stereotypes actually do have a basis in reality, otherwise they wouldn't have formed in the first place. Most white men actually can't dance well. Black men actually in general are better at sports. A blond cheerleader has never won a Nobel prize in the math or science categories, and likely never will. Ohhh no, are those true stereotypes????

          I work in the city, but live near the country. I've only met a single person at my work in the city who has even fired a gun out of the hundreds here. And every person I have spoken to here about teaching their children about guns always looks at me crazy, and tells me they simply don't want to expose their kids to guns at all and don't have any interest in teaching their kids how to handle or respect a gun (which if you remember growing up, kids are usually interested in all the stuff their parents didn't want to tell them about).

          My point here is that if you don't teach your kids how to respect guns, instead of just ignoring them, then they simply will not respect guns.... plain and simple. Which of course leads to 10 year olds blowing their heads off because they didn't understand what they were doing when they go to their friend's uncle's house and find a gun. Happens all the freaking time - most stories about a kid blowing their own head off happens just like this.

          Almost every person I know who lives in the country has fired a gun, and many own them. Most of them with kids teach them how to fire guns and how they need to be respected. Other than the possibility of a hunting accident, you don't see THESE kids accidentally blowing their heads off while starring down the barrel of a gun they found, because they understand the weight of what they are doing even at 10 years old.

          If you don't teach your kids how to handle a gun and respect it, if they find one they will learn on their own the hard way... and often it is their final lesson

          Digg me down you ignorant moron.... I am actually speaking from experience.
        • mattlohkamp, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1I wish you could appreciate the irony of you calling me ignorant. I'm sure you've got fistfuls of anecdotal evidence - so do I. Everybody knows people who fit the stereotype - and for each person that fits, there's someone else who breaks it: My cousins his crowd of friends all live in the middle of the city, and they're crazy about guns; I know nearly a dozen people off the top of my head who live in small towns or out in the country and wouldn't be at all interested in even holding a gun.

          Obviously people should be taught to properly handle firearms, there's no reason they shouldn't, that point isn't even being debated. The point is, it doesn't take experience with guns to realize that they kill people - all it takes is intelligence. And intelligence has nothing to do with your race, after-school hobbies, or where you live. Separating people in to two groups - 'country kids who are dumb but know how to use guns' and 'city kids who know nothing about guns except what they know from video games' - creates a false dichotomy, and it's divisive. Think before you say stuff like that.
    • CTK14A, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4"Unfortunately, Trevor passed away from a heart attack while masturbating to produce sperm for artificial insemination..." -Idiocracy
  • Hetman, on 06/12/2008, -0/+31Liar. If that was the case why was he not jumping off buildings. Wrecking his cars at 100 mphs. Or any other dangerous activity that you would do if you really believed you just come back.
    • jameskong15, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6Best point so far for me.
    • eleete, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I agree, excellent point.... Or shoot himself with a 12 gauge shot gun for that matter ? I mean... just to be SURE he was correct. In fact. I think he may still be right, let's try it and see.
    • Gutterpunk, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1And if he had done all this, you'd be after him asking why he didn't take a gun to school and shot a couple of teachers?
      • stix213, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1ehhh, so for some reason you don't think a murderer can also be a lier?
        • Gutterpunk, on 06/13/2008, -1/+1He can, but asking him to go on the road and wreck his car at 100 mphs to prove that he is one (like the OP did) is ridiculous.

          30 Diggs for such a ridiculous argument is wrong
        • stix213, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Gutterpunk, Hetman was just making the point that this kid says he saw in video games that shooting people doesn't kill them.... you would also see that smashing a car at 100 mph doesn't kill people also in the same games....

          It is illogical for the kid to assume that guns don't kill people, because video games told him, but that smashing a car at 100 mph does kill people, even though the same game says otherwise.
  • BillE3, on 06/12/2008, -2/+4And he does not know that a shank to the throat will cause him to bleed out, but he will learn.
  • ligyron, on 06/12/2008, -0/+46210 years covers his respawns too
  • bluenash, on 06/12/2008, -1/+8Well, boy, I might've been born at night, but it wasn't last night. I think you should serve at least two lifetimes in your six by ten.
  • gonx32, on 06/12/2008, -0/+12I guess he played too much quake and not enough counterstrike. He also didn't watch enough TV or movies because they teach us that if you wear a red shirt or just plain aren't the hero of the movie then bullets do kill. Now that I think about it. I think video games and movies did more to help me understand how guns work in the real world than my school teachers did. Our government is failing us. Time to add mandatory gun safety to elementary school, right about the same time as sex education which is around 6th grade if memory serves.
    • *jooloop*, on 06/12/2008, -0/+17th grade in this school district (SVUSD).
  • IllBeBack, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5Gee, I never realized that if I pulled the trigger with my finger that the gun would actually fire.

    /yeah right...
  • XenoSNK, on 06/12/2008, -1/+31"If you drop the soap, someone will kindly pick it up for you!"

    "Really?!"
    • aaron552, on 06/13/2008, -0/+2Maybe if someone asked him nicely to take a gun to school and shoot people...
      "Would you kindly get a shotgun and kill your principle, and while you're at it, kill whoever you hate the most"
  • gametavern, on 06/12/2008, -0/+30If that would have held up in court, I'd give up on humanity.
  • jellygraph, on 06/12/2008, -0/+29*****... I refuse to believe that someone could go through 16 years without having seen a single movie, news report or _anything_ that mentioned someone dying after being shot. He should have been given 5 times his sentence just for trying to pass himself as being completely ignorant and hence innocent of his crime. Lying *****. Even in most video games, characters stay dead after you shoot them, so ***** off. They don't just get back up again.
  • udiie, on 06/12/2008, -0/+22LYING SACK OF *****.
    There is no way in hell that you can make it into high school without knowing that people die when you shoot them. All he's trying to do is get the case thrown. What a *****. That's the most obscene thing I've ever heard a 16 year old do. He is either ***** in the brain or completely ***** *****.
  • thirdeyeopen, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6Hasn't this ***** ever seen a movie or tv show, watched the news, or read a newspaper, or read news on the internet, or read a book?
  • JinnRikki, on 06/12/2008, -7/+3I always found it strange during Clinton presidency high school mass murder runs rampant. During Bush shootings graduate to college. Nothing political meant, just an observation.
    • DarkReign16, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2An idiotic one at that.
    • ryan83189, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2yes, the stupid people were artificially advanced to college.
    • albinorhino101, on 06/13/2008, -0/+0I'm predicting in 50 years we'll see mass murders in nursing homes
  • polarbear66, on 06/12/2008, -0/+25Poor guy. We can only assume he's dead, from "not knowing" that he needs to eat/sleep/breathe/drink to live.

    "I thought I just needed to pick up medkits, and avoid getting shot by other players."

    What a piece of *****.
    • *jooloop*, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2"avoid getting shot"? Not in his mind.
      • aaron552, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1"avoid" not "don't get hit at all".
        If someone shot at him, he'd probably try and dodge it... and then go looking for a medkit
  • rfblor, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Way to pawn off what you did onto an entire industry... I swear its people like that who need to take responsibility for what they do. I know he is just 16 but that is no excuse. No wonder the entertainment industry has such a weird rep about things like violence and sex in movies, games and music.
  • meannate, on 06/12/2008, -0/+9It's not enough that he killed a few people, but now he's insulting our collective intelligence.
  • furbyboy, on 06/12/2008, -1/+6The games industry is gonna be in the ***** for this........from now on, expect games with more realistic gun deaths!!
    • baybluangel, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Why do that when the dead people respawn? I think newscasters need to make the NEWS more realistic
    • stix213, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Yes, from now on when you shoot someone in the face in a video game, it needs to come clean off in full bloody detail.
  • synik, on 06/12/2008, -1/+6he should have typed in "iddqd" first (and maybe "idspospopd").
    • thedarkshadow, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2It is idspispopd, yours would just hurt when you hit the wall.
      • synik, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Thanks, typo on my part.

        Can I redeem myself by suggesting "idclev" ? He obviously already used "idkfa".....
  • oneredeye, on 06/12/2008, -8/+5They DO get back up. They just respawn in another dimension with full health and a full load of ammo.
  • Loonatickle, on 06/12/2008, -4/+6up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-select-start
  • sinoth, on 06/12/2008, -4/+13In the real world, when you kill people, they die!
    • gannondork, on 06/12/2008, -1/+12In Soviet Russia, dying kills you!
      • *jooloop*, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Wow, that's the only one I've seen that works...
    • Gutterpunk, on 06/12/2008, -6/+1In the real world? What other world is there? VIDEO GAMES? DID YOU JUST SAY THAT IT WAS THE FAULT OF VIDEO GAMES ON DIGG? DIEEEEEEEEE!
      • sysop073, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1It's a quote from Antitrust, and my first thought too. Clearly he should've watched it, educational stuff there
  • lofilotek, on 06/12/2008, -2/+14This guy is seriously ***** stupid.
    • Amazetbm, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1So are his parents for raising such a dumb ass.
  • atavena, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2210 - why not just say "Until you die." Stupid people like this make it harder for me to enjoy running down bystanders in GTA. Curse them.
    • Jimmeeee, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I think it's to show that he seriously ***** up.
    • eviljim, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Despite being 210 years he's apparently eligible for parole in 2066. They probably bump up the sentence to make sure parole won't happen for a certain amount of time.
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