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Seriously injured in fall, cops taser teen 19 times
rawstory.com — An injured teen from Ozark, Missouri who was tasered up to 19 times by police. Passing motorists called Ozark police out of concern for the teen as he walked along the busy overpass. When the police arrived, the young man was lying on the shoulder of the highway directly underneath the 30 foot high overpass with a broken back and foot.
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- sdocpublishing, on 07/26/2008, -62/+488Is there a group of people fighting to ban the use of Tasers within the U.S. of America?
I have heard of some and then never of them again. The misuse of Tasers is common and consistent throughout the country.
They are torture devices, plain and simple.
Are we so unaware of our place in the Universe that we allow daily torture and abuse to be commonplace?
Are we not better than that? Can't we be better that?- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -82/+16My take on your questions would be
Is there a group of people fighting to ban the use of Tasers within the U.S. of America?
Almost certainly not see constitution about right to bare arms. If I were to be trying to get weapons of the streets I'd start with automatics and semi automatics, handguns etc. Once they were all gone together with any other weapon needed for "hunting purposes" then I'd start on Taesers
I have heard of some and then never of them again. The misuse of Tasers is common and consistent throughout the country.
Wouldn't worry handguns are also rather common
In 2001 per 100K Amerricans
3,9 people were murdered and 5,92 committed suicide in the US
They are torture devices, plain and simple.
Don't worry GWB has already sorted this out.
We don't say torture and pain any more its now called enhanced interrogation
Are we so unaware of our place in the Universe that we allow daily torture and abuse to be commonplace?
Short answer yes
See Guantanamo Bay detention camp or search for human rights violations UD.
Gun injury could also be looked into
Are we not better than that? Can't we be better that?
One would hope so.- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -6/+13I take you were born in 1971? Growing up is pretty hard huh?
Well, those comment generators ARE pretty fun... - nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -16/+7Thank you Alex for your extremely incisive rebuttal.
No I don't use a comment generator although for weapon related articles I could probably build one and thank you so much for your comment regarding my age. Yes I do not look 37 but I can 100% confirm that I am grown up and would ask you to look at who is using arguments and who is writing expletives.
My answer above still stands with 1 extra argument.
If the kid was black lived in south central la and was taesered or shot by a policeman then an article would never have been published because no one would have noticed. - alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -2/+8Nick,
I'm sorry, I read your comment, and it wasn't generated. - peoplerstoopid, on 07/28/2008, -2/+10nick....maybe you didn't generate it, but for being "grown up" one would hope you could form a better sentence.
And you don't really think no one would hear about a black kid in LA being tazed like this? The NAACP would be all over it. - alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -1/+5Nick,
I didn't read the comment right before my second reply, I apologized to you before you made the comment about my cursing and argument.
About the cursing, that's how I talk, I don't curse in here because this is the internet, I curse more in real life, and only when I'm comfortable with the people/situation around me, but if I had a choice I'd curse all the time. Is cursing an immature thing? That may be, but on the flip side, not cursing doesn't necessarily make you mature.
As far as arguments, that's one of the reasons I post here... not to argue for the sake of arguing (if that was the case, I would never had apologized to you), but to set something straight.
In your case, you happened to write a long comment, which I don't bother even reading anymore, thanks to the comment generators out there. - danthepiercer, on 07/28/2008, -2/+4nick,
***** not ***** cursing...you my friend are a ***** idiot who completely missed the ***** point...
plain and ***** simple.
sorry if i hurt your ears with that alex. - shampoozleberry, on 07/28/2008, -2/+1Judging by the flagrant use of comas as periods, I'd say someones a bitter foreigner. It's OK though, to be a player you gotta have haters. Keeping ranting, it's going well.
- glenSM, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1Well they do have handgun zones in washington dc i think where your only allowed handguns. I may be wrong but me no carey. Anyhoo banning the police from using tazers would mean that they will hit ppl more inturn allowing us to sue them. YAY BAN THE *****
- xtraa, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2@nick1971, afaik copkillers aren't allowed in the U.S., too. Neither is ice ammo, same for ceramic weapons. So what exactly was your point.
- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -6/+13I take you were born in 1971? Growing up is pretty hard huh?
- ventralnet, on 07/28/2008, -59/+48Yea get rid of those tasers, they should start using guns again they seem more effective. screw this less than lethal *****, right???
sarcasm- catcher6250, on 07/28/2008, -19/+5QFT
- ProjectGSX, on 07/28/2008, -4/+72So the assumption is that, if the cops didnt have tasers, they would have just shot this kid? Unlikely. The fact that you have "non-lethal weapons" means you can use them more freely, and this case is an obvious one in that regard. As the police official stated, they arent even looking into whether or not the use of a taser was warranted in this case. If they had shot the kid, obviously that would be under review.
In my opinion, the problem is not the taser but the people wielding them. And that is no different than the problem with guns. - DooM, on 07/28/2008, -3/+41Some idiot always runs into these stories commenting about guns - a taser is NOT a replacement for a GUN. If an officer is in a situation that would usually require lethal force that officer SHOULD use lethal force. The taser replaces fists and billy clubs.
The problem in my mind is that getting into a physical altercation provides some incentive for the officer to find an alternative solution to a difficult situation while the presence of a taser enables that officer to say "***** it, I'll just zap the bitch." - jstone, on 07/28/2008, -4/+40The problem is that, while Tasers were designed to replace guns in certain situations, they really haven't. Instead, many police officers are using Tasers in completely inappropriate ways because of their non-lethal nature. Instead of a 'last resort', as was intended, the Taser has become a 'compliance' weapon.
- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -20/+10"less than lethal *****"?
Tasers ARE lethal, get tased first and come back to let us know if you feel the same way afterwards... - Pittance, on 07/28/2008, -24/+9Alex, you are an idiot. Tasers are non lethal. Just ask any cop that has been tased by them before being able to wield one. They are all obviously still alive.
- childprey, on 07/28/2008, -4/+16alex, the fact that we'd be able to come back afterwards would denote they are non-lethal.
- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -4/+30pittance you are an idiot. Just because they don't kill 100% of the time does not make them non lethal. If cops had to get shot in the leg before they could carry a gun would that make guns non lethal? See how idiotic your reasoning is? Tasers are less lethal than guns but don't pretend a taser has never killed anyone. It is not non lethal.
- jeskadubyah, on 07/28/2008, -3/+18How many of these cops have been tazered repeatedly and continuously? they get zapped once and are free to go. plus, they're not already hyped up from being chased down or threatened; they know it's coming, they've watched the other guys do it and get up, and probably macho-talk like it "weren't nothin' ".
don't give me that, 'cops have had it done to them, so it's fine to do to anyone now' - RiverBelow, on 07/28/2008, -2/+9you'd be right - if tasers weren't actually both lethal sometimes - and often abused. At least a gun is treated like serious business due to its lethality. Cops need to have laws against them to prevent for being taser-happy. I admit, I didn't read the article yet, but I'm sure 19 times is way too many - but I'm also sure its a sensationalist title.
- AndrewJC, on 07/28/2008, -3/+10Tasers obviously ARE lethal, as it has been proven that they've been responsible for the deaths of many, many people.
- Ninjab3ar, on 07/28/2008, -19/+8@mononuclear
YOUR reasoning is idiotic. The fact that tasers have killed people doesnt label it a lethal weapon. In that case, an Xbox would be a lethal weapon if it landed on a baby's head and crushed his skull.
Lethal implies that the weapon was DESIGNED to kill. Tasers were not designed to kill, therefore they are not lethal weapons. Have they killed people in the past?... Sure, but I can bet you they were very specific and rare situations.
Although you can very well survive a shot by a gun, guns are considered lethal weapons because they were DESIGNED to kill.
Please check yourself before you call another person's reasoning idiotic. - peoplerstoopid, on 07/28/2008, -14/+5Mononuclear....in that case we can classify Jelly Beans as lethal on the grounds that someone somewhere has choked on them. Jesus we should ban all foods...they are too lethal because a few people die from it.....wait a minute some kids and some adults have killed people with baseball bats. Thats it outlaw sports!
Plus why is anyone taking anything Rawstory prints seriously. I'm absolutely sure there is a lot more to this story than that piece of ***** website is reporting in their poorly written 1/8 page article. - ventralnet, on 07/28/2008, -8/+2what does QFT mean?
- ventralnet, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3@DooM Fine then, no gun comparison. Lets say billy club they can go back to beating the ***** out of people with their clubs
- ventralnet, on 07/28/2008, -7/+1@alex7575
Not sure you know what lethal means. It means it kills you, not hurts your feelings. - ventralnet, on 07/28/2008, -9/+2Read through most of the comments... some good points as well as some retarded (alex7575 and mononuclear)... I would gamble that tasers have saved more lives than taken. In situations where police would have used their gun (lets say a knife wielding person) they may have used tasers
- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -2/+7Ninjabear,
What is the primary function of an Xbox?(video game)
What is the primary function of a Taser? (weapon)
So if someone tasered a family member of yours, and incidentaly killed someone you love, then what? Would you still sit there trying to use the XBox argument?
If you have an argument as stupid as the one you just came up with, YOU refrain from calling someone else stupid. - alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -8/+6"@alex7575
Not sure you know what lethal means. It means it kills you, not hurts your feelings."
And you're saying that tasers don't kill?
" I would gamble that tasers have saved more lives than taken. In situations where police would have used their gun"
"WOULD HAVE USED THEIR GUN"
Like in the case of the kid who fell 30 feet?
And I'm retarded? - makeinstall, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1ventralnet: "what does QFT mean?"
quit ***** talking - JoshReflek, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1actually, QFT means "Quoted for truth"
- markgl, on 07/28/2008, -33/+11Sure. We'll go back to hand guns then and let the cops shoot their way thru everyone like they use to.
- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -4/+26WTF,
Do you seriously think they would've shot this kid 19 times if they didn't have a taser???
Genious - hoodratthangs, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6do you seriously think every cop would taser a severly injured boy 19 times?
Major (And-for-our-sake-spell-Genius-right) - tvanwyk, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2Then take the guns away from the cops, too.
- alex7575, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1Hood,
I meant it to spell it that way, I guess it would've been a bit more obvious if I knew how to do it right, as in "Your a genious" :) - markgl, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1
Genious
- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -4/+26WTF,
- AchaIemoipas, on 07/28/2008, -4/+259Tazers aren't the problem. Poorly trained and poorly educated cops are.
These guys were such pussies that they decided to tazer a kid before even trying to see what was wrong with him.
That means they first assumed his condition, probably decided that he was on drugs. And as we all know, all drugs turn people into superhumans with superhuman strength.
Then, instead of just trying to get a hold of him, they decided to not risk it and went about tazering him 19 times.
That's like using a gun to drill a hole in the wall to hang a picture.
The tazer is the best self-defense tool there is. It's less dangerous than the stick, more effective than mace, doesn't leave permanent injuries in 99.9999% of cases.
The problem is that we give them to complete idiots. It's always the small town cops too, only required training is to fill out a questionnaire and not have a criminal record.- TxAggie08, on 07/28/2008, -4/+88My experience has been most cops are powertripping these days. There is almost nothing that they do that they are held accountable for outside of killing someone. There needs to be a check to the ridiculous amount of power that cops have these days. It also seems that many police forces seem more interested in gathering revenue than actually protecting the safety of citizens. The motto is no longer "To Protect and serve" but "To fleece and harass"
- form3hide, on 07/28/2008, -23/+4...so what is your 'experience' -- care to explain?
- Immortalhippo, on 07/28/2008, -5/+21I help out at a gun range in North Carolina that also houses a security training agency. To carry a tazer in our state you at least have to go through 8 hours of training cops included then be shot by the damn thing.
- PopcornDave, on 07/28/2008, -0/+16The tazer seems to be the first resort of a lazy cop anymore.
Maybe if the training included multiple tazings to the trainee they wouldn't be as quick to use them? - GreyICE, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3519 Tazerings?
Sure, I accept that 1 is probably safe unless you're a 6 month old baby or an 87 year old with a heart condition.
I doubt a physically fit 21 year old male in great health would be okay after 19 tazerings. Much less a 16 year old kid with a broken back.
Dumbass cops. - ashleegirl, on 07/28/2008, -1/+36@hippo: That still didn't stop a cop in N.C. who for some reason was hanging around an arcade that I went to. While I was waiting to get into laser tag he pointed his tazer right at me and then shook it a little and made a buzzing noise. Then he giggled when I looked scared and tried to move away from him. He probably went home and jacked off over how much power he has to be able to scare a teenage girl.
- SakisRakis, on 07/28/2008, -17/+1Please tell us more about 'your experience' Mr. Texas Aggie! What power trip have you recently experienced? Did it involve you breaking a law and them enforcing it?
- form3hide, on 07/28/2008, -10/+1@SakisRakis -- we are both getting digged down for questioning the 'experience' he had with police. I really don't get it.
- danthepiercer, on 07/28/2008, -7/+3actually, i think that to be allowed to use these tazers a cop has to be tazed himself...kinda like mace.
if this is not the case then i certainly think it should be.
bad training = bad cops
bad laws = bad cops
bad individuals = bad cops
i do not think that the authority we grant to cops makes them bad. - potisreallygood, on 07/28/2008, -4/+9All cops should be required to have a 4 year degree with 18 months of highly supervised training. If it takes 7 years to be lawyer and 10 years to be a doctor. How come I can go to the local community college and have a gun and badge after a 6 month course, then take peoples lives and money without question?
- below413, on 07/28/2008, -2/+10If it was that hard to become a cop then we wouldn't have any more cops. Why would anyone go through a 4 year degree and then pick a low paying job with an above-average chance of personal harm every day?
- matt151, on 07/28/2008, -2/+1"
That's like using a gun to drill a hole in the wall to hang a picture. "
You clever son of a bitch.. - AchaIemoipas, on 07/28/2008, -1/+11@below
Cops in Montreal, Canada need to go to college for 3 years and then to a police academy for one year.
"Why would anyone go through a 4 year degree and then pick a low paying job with an above-average chance of personal harm every day?"
To protect and to serve. You weed out the "I want to play with guns for a living" people that way.
We still get the occasional ***** of course, but at least he's polite. - dafunkmonster, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2The problem is that this happened in the Ozarks, aka moron-hick-central.
- TxAggie08, on 07/29/2008, -1/+6@SakisRakis
I was arrested, while floating the river in New Braunfel, TX, for littering when I didn't even litter. When I showed the cop the bag we had kept our empty cans in he just told me to take it up with the judge. When I said this was ridiculous he told me to "shut the ***** up". Later, when I had been sitting beside the river for an hour I told them the plastic bands were cutting my wrist, the cop said "They look a little loose to me" and tightened it further. Why did he target me? Because he was yelling at some other college kid on the river and telling him that he needed to "shut his ***** mouth" and he heard me as we were floating by talking to my friends. I said "it really seemed like that guy is abusing his authority." He sure showed me. It took me 12 hours to get out of jail for littering a can I didn't even litter. No abuse of authority or crushing of freedom of speech there. /sarcasm - xtraa, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2"Tazers aren't the problem. Poorly trained and poorly educated cops are. "
This is a sciological/psychological problem and there is nothing you can do about it:
As long as you think you have a weapon that kicks ass without killing, you will use it more often than the infinite gun that kills immediately. - Immortalhippo, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1@ashleegirl it makes me a sad panda to admit that your story doesn't surprise me. It is all too simple to pass the BLET program in our state and thus there are quite a few idiots out there. I'm not sayin they're all bad but a few always do and will slip through the cracks.
- sindex, on 07/28/2008, -7/+91There is nothing wrong with tasers. The problem is overzealous police who use them haphazardly, particularly in this case when this kid clearly posed no threat.
"He refused to comply with the officers and so the officers had to deploy their Tasers in order to subdue him. He is making incoherent statements; he's also making statements such as, 'Shoot cops, kill cops,' things like that. So there was cause for concern to the officers." - Ozark Police Capt. Thomas Rousset
Well, hey, ever think he was making incoherent statements because he had fallen 30 feet and broke his back? How much concern does a trained police officer really have over his safety from a 16 year-old kid with a broken back? The problem is our police force is increasingly populated with abusive meatheads instead of well-trained negotiators. Brute force isn't supposed to replace critical thought, but that's what we see happening.
Law enforcement needs an overhaul.- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -1/+86"He refused to comply with the officers and so the officers had to deploy their Tasers in order to subdue him."
I will bet that they tased him because he refused to stand up. I have seen time and time again when cops will tase someone order them to stand up and when they don't (because they can't) they tase them again and the cycle repeats.
I am sure the cops ordered this kid to stand up (he couldn't because he had a broken back) and when he didn't stand up they tased him. Then they told him to stand up again and when he didn't comply they tased him again. Rinse and repeat. - alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -1/+62Mono,
Your comment boils my blood, not because I think it's wrong, but because I'm afraid is correct... - sodade, on 07/28/2008, -1/+10"Law enforcement needs an overhaul."
Couldn't agree more. Here's my plan:
1. Eliminate most drug laws - this will seriously reduce the number of cops we need
2. 100% on the job video/audio surveillance with citizen oversight - this is for the protection of the cops too!
3. Raise salaries dramatically and fire anyone who is not a full on Serpico boyscout
Suddenly, cops become respected heroes.
Society profits. - xtraa, on 07/29/2008, -4/+2"There is nothing wrong with tasers. The problem is overzealous police who use them haphazardly,"
There was nothing wrong with gas chambers. The problem were the overzealous Nazis that used them haphazardly,
yea great idea. - sindex, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1Neat. Godwin's Law in practice.
Not that your ill-conceived comment deserves attention, but if you're actually comparing Nazis to the police, and tasers, which are non-lethal 99.99% of the time to the gas chamber that slaughtered millions of people, then you're a ***** moron with an overdeveloped sense of superiority for your "empathy," while ignoring the true horror of Nazi-Germany, and in all actuality making light of 6 million dead human beings.
You might as well be comparing apples to blowjobs you're so far off base.
- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -1/+86"He refused to comply with the officers and so the officers had to deploy their Tasers in order to subdue him."
- skyshock1, on 07/28/2008, -4/+68I would encourage people to go over the head of the Chief of Police (he'll just protect his boys anyway) and email the City Administrator of Ozark, Steve Childers.
http://www.ozarkmissouri.com/CityAdmin.cfm
schilders@ozarkmissouri.org
Contact their City Council - http://www.ozarkmissouri.com/councilmembers.cfm- TimeMachine1992, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4Email sent
- jmcneilly, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1The one email addy for the Councilman, mjesterl1714@gmail.com, is already shut down; does not exist.
- SkateItsGreat, on 07/28/2008, -19/+4If cops were paid more, the station would have more intelligent candidates coming for employment. The reason why these fools are making a bad name for cops is because all the intelligent people went out for better jobs. If you want highly capable individuals make it a high paying job, for more competition and thus stronger candidates.
- form3hide, on 07/28/2008, -3/+19Higher pay does not equal better people. Get your head out of your ass.
Better screening and testing for potential cops is the right route to go. Simply making their base pay higher does absolutely nothing.
- form3hide, on 07/28/2008, -3/+19Higher pay does not equal better people. Get your head out of your ass.
- mm911, on 07/28/2008, -1/+41"Is there a group of people fighting to ban the use of Tasers within the U.S. of America? I have heard of some and then never of them again."
They stopped resisting after they got Tasered. - justjoehere, on 07/28/2008, -0/+12The problem is that Tasers may end up being less harmful that batons and flashlights. An acquaintance of mine once told me the progression cops go through with flash lights for determining when to stop hitting someone. It goes "Thunk, Thump, Squish.".
- qwertydvorak, on 07/28/2008, -5/+4reminds me of this.
http://www.mikearmstrong.com/av/guy_falls_10_floor ...- SugarCoatedSalt, on 07/28/2008, -1/+2can't see ***** captain.
- Darkone253, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4Wow that is pretty horrifying. Never heard that before.
Lets all laugh at one officer almost killing another person due to incompitence! Hahaha, hoo, what a laugh! *slaps knee*
- rompom7, on 07/28/2008, -4/+8What I would like to know is why is resisting arrest an excuse to use a taser? As long as the person resisting arrest is not posing a threat to anyone (for example, "the don't tase me bro" guy) then a taser should only be used as a threat if they do not comply.
Police officers should pull a taser on a person resisting arrest, but not actually tase them unless they continue not to comply.
I don't know about you, but the threat of being tased would actually make me comply much more than being shocked half to death.- itchyfeet, on 07/28/2008, -1/+25The problem with your rock solid logic is that's clearly what happened in this case. The dumb head cops asked the kid lying on the ground with a broken back to 'comply', and when he didn't, they tased him. And continued to do so. Tazers should NOT be used to force someone to comply, pure and simple. If someone doesn't comply the cops should continue to negotiate. Tasers (or guns, or batons, or ANY weapons) should ONLY be used if the person becomes VIOLENT with the police.
- JoshReflek, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3how the ***** are you supposed to reasonably comply when you just got seriously injured........the focus should be on getting him medical attention, not flexing their ego with portable electrocution.
- Tyrghast, on 07/28/2008, -5/+22The cops are as much criminals as anybody else nowadays....
- TimeMachine1992, on 07/28/2008, -4/+2That is an incorrect statement. Try again.
- JoshReflek, on 07/28/2008, -1/+1Tyrghast is only incorrect in the sense that its not news, as opposed to being devoid of fact.
- dacjames, on 07/29/2008, -0/+0Nowadays they're getting caught occasionally.
- AznAstronaut, on 07/28/2008, -5/+6I work as a student security guard on a major Univeristy campus and I have to say that I'm very glad that our University's police department has tasers. Our police is very well trained and respectful of the community. I've never heard of a tasering incident on our campus where the taser has been misused or overused. If it's used to subdue a suspect who is out of control and may have been shot instead this has to be a good thing, right?
Unfortunately, a great many police departments are not nearly as responsible and well trained as ours... I would support much stricter training, requirements for use, reviews on taser use, and punishments for misuse on a national level.- loveandrockets, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6I worked security to work my way through college. There were many people in the security industry waiting to be accepted into law enforcement or rejected from law enforcement. Most of these people were not stable. They all had power trips and inferiority complexes and Napoleon complexes and loved the limited power we were given. I was often amazed and frightened by the people who were finally accepted into police departments. There were several who failed psych exams but were accepted when there was a shortage and departments needed people.
We give police WAY too much power. We have to change this.
- loveandrockets, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6I worked security to work my way through college. There were many people in the security industry waiting to be accepted into law enforcement or rejected from law enforcement. Most of these people were not stable. They all had power trips and inferiority complexes and Napoleon complexes and loved the limited power we were given. I was often amazed and frightened by the people who were finally accepted into police departments. There were several who failed psych exams but were accepted when there was a shortage and departments needed people.
- brock2621, on 07/28/2008, -16/+4You're going to digg me down because i'm going to take the "uncool" position here but what is the alternative to a taser gun? Any guesses? A REAL GUN. That's right. If a man is charging an officer with a crowbar, he can either shoot him with a taser, save his life as well as the other, OR shoot him. Taser are safer, non-lethal weapons to 99.9 percent of ppl in the world. That's better than the 100 percent of ppl that die with guns.
- thecatcantalk, on 07/28/2008, -1/+9Can you read? The boy was lying on the ground with a broken back after having fallen 30 feet. How exactly do you suggest that he might leap up and attack anyone?
- thecatcantalk, on 07/28/2008, -2/+7
"That's better than the 100 percent of ppl that die with guns."???
So, according to you, every gunshot wound results in death. Wow. I guess the Army won't be needing all those Purple Hearts.
No, I'm going to Digg you down because you didn't actually read the article. "A man is charging an officer with a crowbar"? No, dude, no.
A kid was lying flat on his back with a broken spine. There was no "man with a crowbar". Wake up. Please. - jmcneilly, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3Hey, try this idea on for size: talk first, shoot later. Why is everyone saying "OMG they want to have all the copzors shoot!" No...
People want to know that if you are going to argue with a cop about a minor traffic ticket that it won't result in you laying face down in oncoming traffic, taser barb sticking out of your ass while you scream in pain and your helpless wife screams from the passenger seat.
People want to know that if their neighbor is deaf and mentally retarded he won't be gunned down on his lawn for refusing to drop his rake.
People want to know that if you don't speak the language and have been trapped away from any sort of help for 28 hours that the first thing the police, rushing to the scene, say is not "can I tase him".
People want to know that they can actually TALK to the police, the people who are sworn to protect us rather than be blasted down because they hesitated in following orders.
Cops are citizens too. They are not gods over life and death.
- roosterjm2k2, on 07/28/2008, -13/+4He was resisting still.
If the cops would have used physical force, they likely could have shattered his back more and caused much more serious damage.
I've been tasered (voluntarily), it hurts like *****, but the pain is instantly gone afterwards, and I have no problem with police using them.
Resist arrest, and you will get subdued...plain and simple.- HereticChick, on 07/28/2008, -0/+9Okay, he was resisting still? Most patients with brain injuries will be combative and resist. You can't tell me those big cops couldn't subdue one combative patient? We did it in the ER all the time. (and I'm only 5' 4") These cops were either poorly trained or overly eager to ZAP the sh!t out of someone. I've also worked for law enforcement, and I can tell you that numerous "repeat offenders" were more afraid of the pepper spray than they were of the taser.
- toetagger, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4You're a slave.
- sigg14, on 07/28/2008, -0/+5back in line sheep-boy.
- JoshReflek, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6NINE
TEEN
TIMES
i thought tasers were only authorized for short bursts with a maximum total time of under 5 seconds, as to avoid nerve and brain damage.
- nreynolds, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3is there a group of people fighting against horribly misplaced modifiers in digg submission titles?
- Renster84, on 07/28/2008, -2/+6I hope you lot all don't tar the world of enforcment under the same brush.
I for one dont carry a firearm or a taser.
I carry an extendable baton and CS gas. I have yet needed to use either. I have without a doubt dealt with some of the most violent people known to mankind, but have always managed to take them down, or with sheer numbers, kicks and rigid handcuffs.
Unfortunatly, even when i act in the most honest and proffesional way possible i have seen the media turn to make me look like a harderned criminal who is worse than those being arrested.
When we are cut we still bleed. I do not know a single officer who has personally been complained about for use of excessive force. In the Uk i feel we are taught to use our mouths and brains before weapons.
its why we call it "Personal safety" and "defence" tactics.
Never oppressive. Yet one look on Youtube and we are seen as filthy animals. At the end of the day i put my uniform in my locker and go home. People never remember that.
As for this story, people are using alot of assumption taken from the press. I wouldnt like to honestly comment on any officers actions, ever. We dont REALLY know the in's and out's. Only what has been passed. It can be judged either way. Dont get me wrong, if this has REALLY happened, they deserve jail themselves.- Abomonog, on 07/28/2008, -2/+2If you are telling the truth, then by my personal experience you are a rarity and not the norm.
Police get depicted as animals because they behave like them. Incidents like this are becoming more and more common and tasering isn't even the worst of the crimes that are committed by police on a daily basis. - toetagger, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3This is the mindset Govts are brain washing the police with. The Civilians Are The Enemy. Turn Them Into Willing, Passive, Slaves.
- Stevejsam, on 07/28/2008, -1/+1your a dangerous anarchist and have been reported to the authorities
- JoshReflek, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3in my experience with cops across the usa, its about a two thirds split.
one thid are honest, hard working people, who believe in the oath they have sworn.
the other two thirds are power hungry socio paths, ready to pounce on you for any semblance of defiance of their misuse of power as though that will do in place of probable cause or a real crime.
to the one third, i salute you and your honorable devotion to society.
to the majority of cops that are childish bullies, society takes care of its own, you will be removed as another cancer unfit to share this space, your time will come and it will be a thousand times more painful than anything you have done to the undeserving. oh, and ***** YOU. - JoshReflek, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3@Renster84
"Yet one look on Youtube and we are seen as filthy animals. At the end of the day i put my uniform in my locker and go home. People never remember that."
People would be able to focus on your proper use of power, if you used it to protect the citizens by REPORTING YOUR FELLOW COP WHEN THEY DO FUCT UP *****......
Since they are your co-workers, you're either part of the problem, or you're helping fix it.
Do something for the good of society and report the abusers before bitching about how harsh of a rap the media gives you.
It's harsh because you obviously earned it.
You are not 'one cop who does the right thing'.
You ARE 'a citizen who wears the colors but only looks at his own actions for signs of merit, ***** the common man unless i was helping him'
You might be "Never oppressive", but are you also a "Team player" ?
- Abomonog, on 07/28/2008, -2/+2If you are telling the truth, then by my personal experience you are a rarity and not the norm.
- closedoor, on 07/28/2008, -2/+3amnesty international http://educate-yourself.org/pnt/amnestyintnltasern ...
- matt11885, on 07/28/2008, -3/+5yep, lets just go back to killing people
- toetagger, on 07/28/2008, -4/+4
Chief of Police
Mark A Maples
1 Station Dr
PO Box 370
Lake Ozark, Missouri 65049
Phone: (573)365-5371
Fax: (573)365-6329 - LeeSoong, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Clearly, tasers need completely banned and all police equipped with GLOCK 18C Full Auto Pistols:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE_cz56HSRM - dafunkmonster, on 07/29/2008, -1/+1Your bleeding heart is getting my shoes dirty.
- rhinitus, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1Can we just pay cops more so we don't get such crazy douchebags taking the job?
- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -82/+16My take on your questions would be
- Torsteinator, on 07/26/2008, -14/+197what the hell?
- scojac, on 07/28/2008, -9/+30Welcome to the police state.
- xadhominemx, on 07/28/2008, -2/+7You can't really say that in a police state.
- gurudrew, on 07/28/2008, -1/+6@xadhominemx
You can say it once.
- ChayesFSS, on 07/28/2008, -0/+15I'd be making statements like 'shoot cops' myself in that same situation
- MxM111, on 07/28/2008, -1/+6You just do not understand, people! Police was afraid that he is going through cardiac arrest. So they give him some defibrillation, 19 times, just to be sure that he has got it. It was all good intentions!
- alkajazz, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2It happened in Missouri what do you expect?
- vidar808, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6One cop could subdue that teen easily without him having a broken back and foot!
This is a flagrant excessive use of force and should not be tolerated at all.
Where is the news about the police officers being investigated and put on leave?
Why would the kid be saying "shoot / kill cops"? Except maybe after they tased him a few times! - superman787, on 07/28/2008, -3/+2DON'T TAZE ME BRO
- FlynnRocks, on 07/28/2008, -1/+1That kid didn't fall, he just got in my way.
- Verz, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Civil protection needs to become a competitive business. If we had different "police" companies competing without funding from the government, the cheapest and the highest quality would come out on top. These guys look like they haven't had any training at all.
- scojac, on 07/28/2008, -9/+30Welcome to the police state.
- Elliottx, on 07/26/2008, -42/+971Kid - "OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME I FELL!, I....I think my back is broken..oh christ it hurts so much please I'm begging you!!"
Cop 1 - "What do we do what do we do!?"
Cop 2 - "Ok everyone calm down, just calm the ***** down! First off kid, are you ok?"
Kid - "Are you ***** kidding me you stupid ***** I just fell 30 feet off a ***** bridge..ah oh god my back!"
Cop 2 - "He's resisting arrest"
Cop 3 - "We'll have to taze him"
Cop 3 - "He's resisting"
Kid - "No please don't I'm in enough pain as it is please god don't please!!!"
Cop 3 - "Officer down, back up needed"
Cop 4 - "Don't worry we're here, we'll taze him for you"
*ZZzap*
Kid - "AHHHHHHH! GOD YOU SON OF A BITCH!"
Cop 4 - "Unprovoked violence against a police officer? I do believe that's grounds for.......TAZERING!"
*ZZZZaaaaap*
Kid - "Please, somebody just kill me, please for the love of god just kill me..."
Cop 4 - ".....Jesus christ....he's becoming suicidal.....taze him again"
*ZZZZZZZzzzzzzaaaaap*- shadowmoose, on 07/28/2008, -109/+11If you read the article that's not how it went. He was talking about shooting cops when they arrived on the scene and they didn't know his back was broken. Unless cops have xray vision; which I think they don't.
- units, on 07/28/2008, -1/+88Right, so...the kid who jumped/fell 30 feet and is staggering in pain is going to seriously be threatening cops. You'd rather believe the _only_ witness unsworn testimony from the police, the only party who has something to lose if it turns out he'd been tazered against protocol that he was not, in fact, tazered against protocol. Interesting..
- AchaIemoipas, on 07/28/2008, -2/+28Yeah, they don't have xray vision, they have schizophrenic vision. Where's the gun?
- alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -1/+55"they didn't know his back was broken. Unless cops have xray vision; which I think they don't."
the kid fell 30 feet down, if you need xray vision to figure out that the kid could be really hurt, you have no business being a cop... - SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -3/+21I am angry now, too.
I also say, "Shoot cops, kill cops."
Come taze me, too. Kill me for voicing my opinion. Make me famous for having an irresponsible opinion.
Come on, wouldn't James Madison have wanted police to use tasers on citizens who abused their freedoms and rights?
Someone speaks out of place, or stands up for themselves? Zap them down!
It's the American Way!
I propose every time cops abuse their power there needs to be demonstrations in the streets.
OUTRAGE! - peoplerstoopid, on 07/28/2008, -12/+7How about the fact that its on Rawstory....which means that the article while it may be true is also probably horribly innacurate as to what happened in detail and the chain of events. It wouldn't be the first time that site has switched timelines etc around to bias an article.
- SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -0/+5And George Mason.
- cgibbo, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2Gee, REALLY? I thought this was supposed to be a totally accurate script from the scene... stupid.
- feignNU, on 07/28/2008, -1/+7Uh, ok, bias or not, the facts of the story, according to the police officer, interviewed ON camera, are that the officers arrived after receiving a call to 911, and found that he had fallen 30 feet from an overpass and was lying on the ground. The officers claim he was speaking incoherently, but somehow they were able to make out the words "shoot cops. kill cops." They also claim he "refused to comply" and that he needed to be "subdued" by the use of a taser. If you can't see that this is absolutely inexcusable use of force on the part of the police, then you have a blind support of authority that is unparalleled by anything else I've seen.
- magnus3994, on 07/28/2008, -59/+12What the *****... not funny nor necessary.
- Schmich, on 07/28/2008, -1/+25Tasering 19 times a kid who's injured and most likely in chock is not necessary.
- bgrah449, on 07/28/2008, -10/+3But it is funny!
- moonguidex, on 07/28/2008, -70/+10I know that that little story sounds awesome in your head, but when you wrote it down it sucked ass.
- richbleak, on 07/28/2008, -5/+17At this time, 51 diggs; each one calling you a douchebag.
- bgrah449, on 07/28/2008, -4/+24I know that little snipe sounded awesome in your head, but when you wrote it down it sucked ass.
- punkcat, on 07/28/2008, -14/+4the story has a severe lack of info, yeah what he wrote sucks ass, but mob mentality rules here.
and the maturity level will always leave cops in the wrong, no matter what. oh and drugs are cool too.
batman! - heartsblood, on 07/28/2008, -2/+1611 > -46
- MasterPain, on 07/28/2008, -5/+137We will teach to fall off an overpass !
- toonworld, on 07/28/2008, -0/+16respect the overpass!
- TheHerk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0Stupid idiot people-experiencing-pain!
- m0zzie, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3Then we will teach grammar!
/grammar nazi.
PS. I still dugg you. - brad3378, on 07/29/2008, -0/+3Is it just an optical illusion, or is that bridge missing a guard rail?
- kmc127, on 07/28/2008, -13/+1you forgot Kid - "Don't taze me bro!"
- Snokage, on 07/28/2008, -11/+3that story only allies if the kid/victim is black, or mexican.
- AutoTom, on 07/28/2008, -19/+4You're the cancer that is killing digg.
- rompom7, on 07/28/2008, -2/+3I know 4chan is down, but seriously.. cancer on digg doesn't exist. Digg isn't dying. gb2gaia.
- induren, on 07/28/2008, -0/+29Despite the ridiculousness of this post, I'm bumping it up because it's just so damn true.
Cops just need to be trained in the fact that there is a far higher threshold for using these things. - millertime588, on 07/28/2008, -13/+1Just because he broke his back doesn't mean he was paralyzed or anything. He could have been an ***** to the cops. I don't see why they would have done this for any reason other than he didn't want to be helped. Maybe he was afraid his dad would beat him for falling off a bridge like an idiot.
- dilpil1, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6Yeah and if he was being an *****, 19 tazerings is what he deserved.
- thesonofdarwin, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2If it took 19 tazers to subdue a crippled, thin to medium-sized teenager, those cops better look into recharging their batteries.
- TheHerk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Recharging the batteries... or asking their bosses to hire replacements because they failed at being cops.
- CurlyMike139125, on 07/28/2008, -14/+2***** you. Two of my friends died while being tazered.
- diemunkiesdie, on 07/28/2008, -0/+10It's not funny when it could actually be true. It's funny when it's absurd: ***** you. Two of my friends died while eating Ben & Jerrys Cherry Garcia Ice Cream.
- Ridikul, on 07/28/2008, -2/+2I don't think it's funny at all.
- cgibbo, on 07/28/2008, -2/+0You can pick your nose, you can pick your seat...
- Tribs, on 07/28/2008, -12/+5Don't Taze Me Bro!
- k0rr, on 07/28/2008, -8/+0LOL. wow. QFT. i see what you did there
- Jsnllnd, on 07/28/2008, -3/+29Kid: eugh....
cop 34: Holy ***** he's not going down!!!
all cops: *tazerz hooooo!* - colosis, on 07/28/2008, -2/+1yep, im going to hell.
- Typhoon2009, on 07/28/2008, -0/+7That makes me think of GTA4. Bump into a cop car at 1MPH, get the entire SWAT team on your ass in minutes...
- dstz, on 07/28/2008, -5/+1Ahah so funny. Oh, wait :-(
- soundsofreason, on 07/28/2008, -1/+31*Two cops pull over to side of road where they find a teen lying motionless*
Cop1: "Is he dead?"
Cop2: "I donno... *scratches belly* ... let's tazer him and find out." - aenima987, on 07/28/2008, -10/+1***** you, two of my friends died while being tazered.
- phike, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3Fail.
- kults, on 07/28/2008, -1/+21Cops: Face down and hands behind your back!
Boy: I can't, my back is broken! :'(
Cops: RESISTING ARREST!
*tased*- ChuyMatt, on 07/28/2008, -2/+1RESISTANCE IS USELESS!!!
- hellahyphy, on 07/28/2008, -1/+5I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened.
- abesdrisb, on 07/28/2008, -7/+2Kid- DONT TAZE ME BRO!!!!!!
- TheHerk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1BWAAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAA nice! Good placement. Great corollary.
- MisterChirish, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Agreed - was thinking the same thing... Dugg up for a little humor...
Of course, I'm a card-carrying *****. I don't advise doing this professionally.
- Setari, on 07/29/2008, -0/+4"Quick, let's sprinkle some crack on him and get out of here!"
- Nollykin, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2Your completely ad-lib sensationalism makes me very angry. Go home, soccer mom.
- shadowmoose, on 07/28/2008, -109/+11If you read the article that's not how it went. He was talking about shooting cops when they arrived on the scene and they didn't know his back was broken. Unless cops have xray vision; which I think they don't.
- dreamtiger, on 07/26/2008, -17/+942If your back is broken, you can't stand up when the cop tells you to. If you were tased 19 times under those conditions, you would be yelling incoherently about killing some cops, too. I would propose a new law requiring serious jail time for the misuse of a taser, and no possibility of ever being employed by the public again.
- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -12/+105Putting on my best American accent - He should sue
- Andrwmorph, on 07/28/2008, -5/+28Its the American way
- GreyICE, on 07/28/2008, -0/+75No, really, he should.
I'm sorry, but the legal system created lawsuits for exactly these sorts of solutions.
We all know the cops are just going to get a 2-month paid suspension or some BS, so hit them where it hurts. 2-3 million, and I bet they'll at least have to answer some awkward questions about how their stupid actions cost the government 3 million dollars. - shadus, on 07/28/2008, -0/+21Generally I think americans are sue crazy, but in this case its *very* warranted. Actually, I think they should knee cap him and taze him 20 times to give him an idea of what he put someone through.
- naldwell, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2He should sue them IN ENGLAND
- JoshReflek, on 07/29/2008, -0/+7everytime a cop discharges a weapon it should be PUBLIC RECORD, ......
wait, ***** that, NOTHING SHOULD BE CONCEALED from the people they are supposedly protecting......every single record they create should be completely available.
If they things they accuse you of can land you in jail, get u injured, cause you monetary loss or any kind of harm, you and everyone in society deserves complete transparency of the Enforcers they choose to employ. - tubbsthezombie, on 07/29/2008, -0/+4Usually I disapprove of lawsuits, but in this case, sue the hell out of them. Break those *****. This is disturbing on so many levels. These cops should never work again.
- ddawggin, on 07/28/2008, -12/+15Here's more information from a slightly less sensationalist source. Doesn't sound quite as bad...
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A ...- Spytap, on 07/28/2008, -0/+56I disagree, that sounds worse. The kid's got a broken back and they're claiming he was going to dart out into traffic? DART?
- GreyICE, on 07/28/2008, -0/+19Yeah, gotta say, dart into traffic? Broken back?
This isn't the blue wall of bs or anything. Utter horse pucky. It's an obvious lie. - Verytastycheese, on 07/28/2008, -0/+20Yeah what the hell? Are they trying to say they couldn't get close enough to restrain him after the first shot? 19 freakin times? CMON!
- pjpark, on 07/28/2008, -0/+32"He's coming right for us!"
- alkajazz, on 07/28/2008, -0/+8I smell *****
- shadus, on 07/28/2008, -0/+9FTA: "He was delirious. He was in shock. He just fell 35 feet, so you're going to have some shock. ... I don't think being Tasered 19 times is the solution."
I tend to agree, police are trained in techniques subdue suspects without seriously wounding them, but of late the police seem to be of the opinion there is only two things to do-- A) Shoot them, B) Taze them. They've forgotten all of their training and fall back on the two easiest to use methods even when it is clear that those are not the right methods to use. - toonworld, on 07/28/2008, -1/+2you mean you smell COPS, right? ... right?
- ddawggin, on 07/28/2008, -3/+2Everyone that makes the broken back claim doesn't realize that there are varying degrees of "broken back." Not everyone with a broken back is a paraplegic.
- magamiako, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2ddawgin:
Lemme break any part of your back and then tase within minutes of doing so and you let me know how it feels. - ddawggin, on 07/30/2008, -0/+1magamiako:
I have a stress fracture in my lower spine so trust me, I know how back pain feels like. In response to the real issue, I spent the two seconds googling this for you since you were too busy making snide comments.
"If the spinal cord becomes bruised or partially damaged due to swelling, trauma or laceration, then paraplegia or other neurological conditions may result.
If you think someone could possibly be suffering a spinal injury, DO NOT attempt to move the injured person even a little bit, unless it is absolutely necessary (like getting someone out of a burning car)."
http://www.apparelyzed.com/broken-back.html
Therefore it's the spinal cord, not the back, that needs to be injured and the person needs to remain as still as possible... not be running back into traffic.
One last thing is that "broken back" is a general term that provides no real details as the extent of the injury. - TechMike, on 08/11/2008, -0/+1The police report indicates that Hutchinson was repeatedly shouting statements such as "Shoot that hurts!" Hey cops, kill the taser!" "Are you smokin' crack? I'm hurt!"
Hey that hurts, I'm getting out of here. Can't go up the embankment - maybe a passing car will help me.
- dinobot, on 07/28/2008, -1/+57The problem lies on the attitude of cops, here's an excerpt from the officers.com forums regarding the case of the guy that died after being tased 9 times WHILE handcuffed.
"You are responsible for your own actions. Get drunk and act dumb: reap what you sow. Snort, shoot or smoke stuff and act dumb: reap what you sow. Decide you're above the law? I'll show you where the line is, champ. It's pretty simple. Tasers dont randomly shock somebody. So it isn't the Tasers fault. I am not randomly picking people out of the crowds to zap... so it isn't MY fault. Gee, that kind of leaves one person left to be responsible: the idiot. Stop acting like an idiot, take responsibility and submit to police authority and things will be better in the morning.
Stop resisting. It's pretty simple. When people submit, they don't get hurt. Court is the place for fighting. Not the street. Don't want our tools used against you? Then don't resist.
Here is the question... if we take Tasers away, what do we replace it with?
My answer is simple. If you take this device away from me, I am going back to the old hickory method. Period. You dont want a 5 second or 10 second compliance-inducing shock... fine... Then I will give you 30 seconds or a minute... or more... of the WORST beating in the history of your life with a 3 foot stick. You will have bruises and tissue damage for weeks because of this pain-compliance inducing technique. Think your heart beats fast from AA impulses? Try adrenaline and millions of other electrical receptors in your body as you receive blow after blow to the peroneal nerve or major muscle groups.
I will have order in my city. And there will be no resistance tolerated. My fellow officers and I are going home, uninjured.
Thank you, that is all."
So, he's saying that if we don't let him use his taser to shock us as many times he deems necessary for us to become docile, he will just beat the crap out of us with his billy club.
Quis custodiet upsos custodes?- Skooma714, on 07/28/2008, -0/+19Court is just for show. You expect to receive a fair trial against the same government that employs the judge and owns the building?
- thecatcantalk, on 07/28/2008, -6/+7Christ wept.
- shadus, on 07/28/2008, -0/+18Quite honestly, I'd love to see police have to go back to the nightstick method, everyone knows what a severe beating looks like and can easily tell when excessive force is being used, people who haven't been tasered have *NO* idea what being tasered 19 times would do to you.
- mardraum, on 07/28/2008, -1/+14@thecatcantalk: thumbs up for misquoting the shortest verse of the Bible.
- Stavrosian, on 07/28/2008, -0/+15You have to remember that a significant number of policemen (although certainly not all) are merely thugs who went the "other way" from the criminals.
- JDoorjam, on 07/29/2008, -2/+2@Mardraum, thumbs up for thinking that's a misquotation of the shortest verse in the Bible, when the shortest verse is # 1 Chronicles 1:25 ("Eber, Peleg, Reu") in Hebrew, Isaiah 10:8 ("Dicet enim") in the Latin Vulgate, and either John 11:35 ("Jesus wept") or Job 3:2 as "He said" (depending on translation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_o ...
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" is from the Roman poet Juvenal, not the Bible. - mardraum, on 07/30/2008, -1/+1John 11:35 ("Jesus wept") is the shortest verse in most English translations. Some translations — New International Version, New Living Translation, New Life Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible and New International Reader's Version — render Job 3:2 as "He said". However, this is a translators' condensation of the Hebrew which literally means "And Job answered and said".
"haha, you're retarded for thinking it's the shortest, it's actually the shortest!"
like your bus.
- pjpark, on 07/28/2008, -2/+441. No one is going to believe a 16 year old over police officers.
2. The police know this.
3. Unless there is video, they can get away with just about anything.- soupdawg30, on 07/28/2008, -0/+24The fact that he has a broken back makes me believe the police were wrong this time.
- brad3378, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1What about his elevated white blood cell count? I'm no doctor, but the article implies that this was caused by the taser.
- feoren, on 07/28/2008, -0/+9Every one of these cops needs to have their backs broken and then get tasered 19 times. Sometimes, an eye for an eye is justified.
- GoneFishing, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2I made a suggestion long ago. The simplest way is to take away $50/per shot on each officer's pay check. Officer have a time period (let's say 1 year) to petition a refund. That should get them thinking.
- GreatWhiteShaky, on 07/29/2008, -0/+5Ok, the officers say that they used tasers because he was not complying and they wanted to keep him out of traffic. There are two big problems with this statement first of all his back and foot were broken and he was laying on the ground; chances are he wasn't in traffic considering that he was still in one piece and chances are that he wasnt making and sprints towards traffic. The other thing I have a problem with is that they say he is a threat for threatening the officers; that's like saying Terry Schiavo was a threat to national security. The kid was obviously in a state of shock and delirious from the excruciating pain of a broken back and foot (he probably didn't even know he was saying).
I genuinely hope that a law suit is filed against the officers and that all are put into prison for there completely bizarre actions.
- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -12/+105Putting on my best American accent - He should sue
- rudeboyskunk, on 07/26/2008, -25/+453Once again, this proves that cops simply love power.
- Falldog, on 07/27/2008, -42/+13Once again, this proves that diggers will jump on anything regardless of how much of the full story is missing.
- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -2/+22what could you possible add to this story that would warrant using a taser 19 times on someone laying on the ground with a broken back?
- unAntimatter, on 07/27/2008, -0/+22I really don't see ANY reason for someone with a broken back to require tazering, unless they're all hopped up on PCP and Sour gummy bears (You ever see a yeti with a dozen coke condoms burst in his belly? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRSC4hJXZMU )
Foreseeing this kid wasn't smuggling coke across the missouri border, I really don't see a need for the deployment of tasers. - rocketboot, on 07/28/2008, -0/+13Especially battery power.
- MalcolmG, on 07/28/2008, -0/+14No, this proves that humans love power.
- el84, on 07/28/2008, -2/+9cops in my town are not humans
- JBmtk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3The standards of becoming a cop are terribly low. So whenever you see a cop, chances are, he's a dumb ass with a gun.
- kateweb, on 07/28/2008, -4/+7Wile I can Agree that is a bit of an over generalization, we tend to only here the stories of the bad and get amused over COPS the T.V. show
- SugarCoatedSalt, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3its been proven, there was a test done on Human psychology which said, give Power to a person saying they can kill someone under any circumstances and they will, without feeling remorse afterward.
- MxM111, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2You mean voltage?
- Mike668, on 07/28/2008, -1/+5Yes! I agree! This incident represents police officers all over the nation! I say we throw every last cop in jail for this!
- gmprunner, on 07/28/2008, -3/+4Once again, this proves that Diggers love to make sweeping generalizations.
- wondertwins, on 07/28/2008, -3/+2no... this proves that America's citizens are pretty ***** up in the head
- spkrcity, on 07/28/2008, -7/+2One of my many goals in life is to kill a random cop.
"But not all cops are bad"
Yes they are. They all abide by the "code of silence" that enables the evil cops to commit crimes like tazering a child.
***** pigs all deserve to be shot.- gmprunner, on 07/30/2008, -1/+1Wow. Retard.
- bryceman111, on 07/28/2008, -2/+4*Some cops simply love power.
- Falldog, on 07/27/2008, -42/+13Once again, this proves that diggers will jump on anything regardless of how much of the full story is missing.
- siszam, on 07/26/2008, -27/+544This was attempted murder. How can you call it anything else? I hope this young man ends up rich and the officers who attacked him end up penniless and ruined.
- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -24/+7You'd think that 1 term of GWB would be all it would take but people love dishing out abuse
- TxAggie08, on 07/28/2008, -13/+5Idiot. This has nothing to do with Bush. But hey, your crazy, left wing, Bush hate tinted glasses turn anything wrong in the world, or this country, into something George Bush related. He's done a lot of ***** stuff but *****, all that ills this country is not b/c of George Bush.
- Hootiehoo, on 07/28/2008, -1/+6I bet he was tazed off the bridge and thay went down to taze him again because he was still moving
- worminater, on 07/28/2008, -1/+1@TxAggie it's a comparison; not blame
- gllopc, on 07/28/2008, -6/+47I think there's more to the story than is being reported.
- eggraid, on 07/28/2008, -0/+15As always
- shadus, on 07/28/2008, -2/+7Tasing someone 19 times with a broken back, heal, and punctured lung before you landed the first taser shot? I don't need to know anymore. They should have their employement terminated and should be each tased 19 times to show them what they put him through.
- TheHerk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0Absolutely, but the easiest conclusion to jump to is that they were being ***** cops.
- RobotLeAwesome, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4I'd usually agree, but this kid was injured BEFORE the cops were even there – this is outright insane.
- IronicMoustache, on 07/28/2008, -2/+33Sure, I can call it something else: reckless endangerment. Attempted murder implies that they thought their actions would cause his death, while reckless endangerment means they did not think about the consequences of their actions, and placed the victim in danger, mortal or otherwise.
It would also be much easier to prove in court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangerment
- Kronk42583, on 07/28/2008, -4/+12umm.. you do realize that if the kids get rich then its the town that pays him, not the cops??? it will come out of taxes.
in my town we had a sledding hill that had signs all over it that sledding was prohibited. and kid and his dad went down it, hurt his leg, got 8 million dollars from the town/taxpayers. its ***** *****. the kid was not seriously hurt and he disobeyed posted signs. its sledding at your own risk. people need to stop thinking that getting hurt is like winning the lottery. i know this situation the cops may have been at fault, but there needs to be some reason when dealing with all of this.
while i feel for the kid, and something has to be done, maybe we should think twice before we are so quick to pay out millions out of taxpayers pockets. also we know nothing about the kid, whether he did or did not jump... there is more to come out of this to be sure.- Hamletlere, on 07/28/2008, -0/+24And do you realize that financial penalties on the town may be the ONLY thing that would cause them to go through the trouble of disciplining or firing abusive policemen?
- UcIc, on 07/28/2008, -0/+11In this type of situation, I think that some sort of cash settlement would be acceptable. The thing that I disagree with in lawsuits against cities/states/the government is that in the end, it's the taxpayers who end up bearing the burden of having to pay for the settlement, and not the people actually committing the crime. The taxpayers sure didn't taze the kid, why should they have to pay?
It should be coming out of the cop's paycheck/pension to pay this kid off if any significant lawsuit arises. They can't afford to pay for it? Too bad; pay up or go to jail just like anybody else would had they broken a law that required payment. People need to start being held accountable for their own actions. - SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -1/+13No *****, Sherlock.
The town should be punished for hiring such assholes.
Then, ach of the pigs who used their tasers should be fired, and then, to pay back their debt to the town, used as manual labor to clean up the roadsides and other minimum wage type jobs. - rompom7, on 07/28/2008, -2/+2[cliché]
Don't hate the player, hate the game
[/cliché] - casek, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2first sue the cops, then civil suits on all those involved.
- esfisher, on 07/28/2008, -1/+1I disagree. The taxpayers willingly pay to hire these clowns. They taxpayers aren't withholding their taxes until they see these assholes fired. It's the ignorance of the taxpayers/voters that allow this stuff to continue. If the taxpayers aren't doing anything to stop it, they are just as guilty in my opinion.
- vtnerd, on 07/29/2008, -0/+3@ esfisher
I disagree with you. I don't get to vote on which police officer's resume and attitude I think would best serve me for my tax money so I did not willingly pay to hire these clowns.
To think that everyone should hold off on paying their taxes is just silly. It's silly b/c most of us have families and responsibilities and we can't afford to go to jail or get bankrupted to prove a point.
- donte, on 07/28/2008, -2/+13Sadly he'll end up knee deep in legal and hospital fees while the cops involved get a paid vacation. I like and prefer your scenario better, but the reality of police accountability in this country is an abomination.
- Skooma714, on 07/28/2008, -2/+5Police are above the law.
- thecatcantalk, on 07/28/2008, -2/+6Well, it's the Deep South. The officer who did this might have a little "hunting accident" come deer season.
- Soave, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1Money should not equal justice.
- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -24/+7You'd think that 1 term of GWB would be all it would take but people love dishing out abuse
- StripeyMagee, on 07/26/2008, -10/+163Those cops need a taser enema
- heliox, on 07/28/2008, -2/+17I just got curiously aroused by that.
- styx31989, on 07/28/2008, -0/+7well, uh.... ya wanna head over to my place?
- HeavySausage, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Would it tickle?
- bryceman111, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Would that even exist? Like, where would you find something like that? That is crazy. Let's just Google it and see what comes up!
- heliox, on 07/28/2008, -2/+17I just got curiously aroused by that.
- foxhaze, on 07/26/2008, -13/+37You'd think one shot with the taser would be all it takes.
- Kronk42583, on 07/28/2008, -0/+34no way dude, this man was huge and a superb physical specimen. his 16 year old body with broken back and foot was perfectly suited to resisting taser fire. DEFINATELY need 18-19 taser shots to subdue him.
- yojiffyskippy, on 07/28/2008, -19/+4You'd think but some people are slow learners. One thing is sure, one shot with a gun would be enough. They should get rid of Tasers and go back to guns. They're a lot more effective and there is a lot less whining on Digg about Tasers.
- lineweight, on 07/28/2008, -2/+6I was a paramedic for a while. I've seen people be tazed. Amazingly once is not enough. This case sounds ***** and wrong, but in the defense of (deserving) officers, i've seen dudes charge at cops after getting multiple tazes and pepper spray. Again, this case sounds super ***** though....
...of course if the kid was post-concussive he could have been extremely belligerent. But the specifics aren't mentioned. - doublehue, on 07/28/2008, -0/+16I think falling 30 feet would be all it takes.
- Erich100, on 07/26/2008, -15/+311Does this make anyone question the intelligence of our law enforcement officials?
- dncarlson, on 07/28/2008, -1/+61No, my mind has long since been made up.
- TxAggie08, on 07/28/2008, -1/+27I've been questioning that for a long time. Think about it, isn't it always the ***** ups and bullies from your high school class that went into law enforcement?
- PopcornDave, on 07/28/2008, -0/+5I thought those were the ones that went in to the service and the ones that washed out there became law enforcement. Unfortunately anymore that's the way it seems to be.
- lisaawesome, on 07/28/2008, -0/+5This aggressive 5 year old boy once told me he wanted to be a cop when he could grow up so people would do what he wanted. Scared the ***** out of me.
- shadowspawn, on 07/28/2008, -0/+24No, this simply reinforces what is commonly known.
- Andrwmorph, on 07/28/2008, -2/+6I've had a pretty good measure of their intelligence ever since I saw that they all have the same stupid haircut.
- kateweb, on 07/28/2008, -1/+7Question everything, cops need more training and an IQ test bf getting a badge IMHO ,but i can't see that happening any time soon.
- GrooTheWanderer, on 07/28/2008, -0/+17They DO get an IQ test. The ones who score too high are actually rejected!
- Arghblarg, on 07/28/2008, -0/+9They already do test IQ in a way.. there have been people who've claimed they were turned down for police forces due to them 'having too high an IQ' or 'thinking too independently'. I'm not implying that police forces want stupid people necessarily -- obviously policemen need to be cognizant and aware of criminology and other things, but I believe that police forces definitely want people who do not question orders; and 'thinkers' don't seem to be encouraged.
Heck, it happens in places other than police forces. I knew a guy who was a brilliant military historian, who was interested in cryptography/SIGINT. Applied for the Canadian CIS, but they turned him down since analysis of his personality told them he was too much of an independent thinker. Seriously, they want people who just do what they're told and don't question the morality or legality of it. - kateweb, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4That is just ***** ridiculous , sadly i can believe it , I for one don't want drones for cops
- lisaawesome, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3Arghblarg, This definitely happens in average jobs as well. A few years ago after working a crappy retail job for a while I had a legitimate disagreement with my boss over a vague company policy. They knew I wasn't just some punkass whiner because I had always been a very good employee and had won various employee of the month type ***** and worked closely with the manager because they thought I did such a good job they wanted me to go into a management training program. So I simply asked my boss who I worked closely with to explain how they came to interpret this policy the way they did and I was immediately shut down and told I was being too rebellious. I was absolutely incredulous. I could not believe they were calling me rebellious after I bent over backwards for that ***** store and had ONE question. Needless to say I'm not there anymore and they wonder why their stores are doing so poorly when they immediately reject any critical thought. It's disgusting.
- JoshReflek, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2It sounds as though the threshhold for cop I.Q. is right below critical thinking, independant thought and reasoning skills.
Which are not to be confused with training to squelch the voice inside your head telling you to be objective and fair.
- BobScratchit, on 07/28/2008, -2/+1Nope, same sentiments as dncarlson.
- Ratty, on 07/28/2008, -1/+8There's no question. They literally do kick people out if their IQ is too high. Only mental retards can be cops, everyone else gets proper jobs.
- Equazius, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.
True story, they don't want cops to be smart, or else they would question authority orders and the system itself
- Falldog, on 07/27/2008, -62/+19It's possible that the kid was thrashing around and being violent toward cops and paramedics. Cops don't just show up and taser someone who's lying on the ground in pain. It's apparent he was in an aggressive mood (teenagerish) mood prior to jumping (one doesn't just fall off an overpass).
That said, where does the 19 times come from? Was someone standing there counting? Is it the son's account? I'll reserve my judgment of the situation until more information comes forth.- jeffiek, on 07/27/2008, -10/+33"Cops don't just show up and taser someone who's lying on the ground in pain."
Please tell me that you've been in a coma for the last few years.- shutaro, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4Yes, please... Everyone knows that's practically their job!
- just150, on 07/27/2008, -2/+23Note, you wouldn't be moving at all if you had a broken back!
- Falldog, on 07/27/2008, -8/+1'cause this chap was playing smart from the begining
- units, on 07/28/2008, -4/+2wh...what?
- slsashrk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+10Not true... I broke my back and had to be held down until paramedics arrived while trying to get out of the car I rolled. Shock makes people do stupid things.
- kateweb, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6actualy you could be broken back is not the same as broken spinal cord
- icepik1234, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1yeah but when you broke your back did they taser you?
- kateweb, on 08/01/2008, -0/+1I did not say it did not hurt like holy hell
- units, on 07/28/2008, -0/+24I think with a broken back, "thrashing" turns out more like "wiggling," regardless of intent.
- Adamlite, on 07/28/2008, -2/+15Hey, you ***** ageist, the cops were over the line on this one; we can discern this from the facts already available. All Tasers have a chip in them that records each shock for the purposes of accountability. No person would be standing after 19 jolts, especially not with a broken back. This part is conjecture, but I imagine the "shoot cops, kill cops" comment came *after* the cops started shocking the ***** out of this immobile person lying at the bottom of a 30-foot fall.
Also, how does being "teenagerish" earn you the most brutal abuse of your life? - hazard902, on 07/28/2008, -0/+11"That said, where does the 19 times come from? Was someone standing there counting? Is it the son's account? I'll reserve my judgment of the situation until more information comes forth."
Don't most tasers have a computer inside that records the number of times it has been fired, and the amount of charge used? - TxAggie08, on 07/28/2008, -1/+11There may have been a counter on the tasers themselves. As far as tasering a kid with a broken back, regardless he wouldn't be walking around. I think SOMEHOW that 4 cops could have restrained a kid that would have been obviously injured at the least and showed no weapon, without ***** tasering him. Let alone tasering him 19 times.
- skel, on 07/28/2008, -3/+12@falldog, are you stupid or so ? (just a question)
i had a BIG accident, i was severly injuried, when the firemen (in france fire dep come to accident too (don't know about the us))
came to rescue me (much much much thanks to them) , i tried to resist them, i insult them , i tried to run from them, i broke the first morphine injection they tried to make me i just calmed down after the second.
i wasn't a teenager and i always been really respectfull for fire dep men work.
so why was i so rebellious against them ?
i don't have ANY idea , i simply don't remind anything about it , it was telled to me by my friends who we're here with me at this moment.
thanks to them for being patient with me at this moment and saved my life.
do i own them apologize for what i did ?
no because i was not in my mind at this time.
if you can't understand this i doubt you can understand anything.- jeffiek, on 07/28/2008, -3/+7I note that you were not tasered. That's the whole point of this thread - tasering is not necessary for injured people.
And you do owe them an apology. Consciously or not, your out of control body caused them a lot of unnecessary effort. Be a man about it and say sorry. - ashfish, on 07/28/2008, -0/+5Exactly, you were in shock, and the fire department had enough training to realize that. I had a friend who got in a really bad motorcycle accident that was cussing the cops and EMTs out up and down because he was just not coherent enough and had too much adrenaline running through his body. But you know what? He didn't get ***** tased and he's probably twice the size of this kid. These cops went WAY over the line.
- skel, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0@jeffiek
don't get me wrong, i'm not proud of having behave this way, i'm award that i caused them trouble (while they are here to help me).
i'm just saying when you are in shock as i was often the brain kinda disconnects for avoiding you pain, and i really acted strangely as my friends told me , like speaking them in english (they don't understand a single word), i tried several times to get on my legs (my legs where severely injuried) to get out of here ....
it is ok for saying sorry to them no problem, but for asking sorry you must feel guilt, while the behavior i had when i was in shock was wrong , i did nothing wrong.
this is not like someone who drink to much insult people and then say in the morning sorry for what i did i remember nothing so i did nothing , he drunk to much while he can't handle it that's wrong.
it is more like a (very) retarded guy who insult you.
sorry english is not my native language so i hope you understand what i try to say. - Ozherbie, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3My back was broken thanks to a drunk hitting the car I was riding in when I was 12 years old. According to the police report (and confirmed by my personal memory of the events) I was severely combative and verbally abusive to the officers. That abuse included what's described in the police report as "extreme vulgarity".
At the time I had no ***** idea what was going on. My back was broken at L3-L4 and I'd also cracked C6. I was scared to death and was lashing out at anything and everything in complete panic.
Reading this story I thank the powers that be that my car wreck didn't happen sometime this year in the midwest.
- jeffiek, on 07/28/2008, -3/+7I note that you were not tasered. That's the whole point of this thread - tasering is not necessary for injured people.
- PopcornDave, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6Sorry, but I can't see how someone lying injured on the ground is suddenly going to go leap in to traffic.
First thing that the cops would do ( should have done ) if they were that worried is to either stop or divert traffic, thereby eliminating that threat.
I'm curious as to what extent that tazering may have furthered the kids injuries to his back. - Probatus, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0"It's possible that the kid was thrashing around and being violent toward cops and paramedics."
Ah I see it here in my manual: "If a person is thrashing around, a violent electrical jolt always calms them down."
Makes perfect sense, anyone who is tazed is immediately put into a calm relaxed state... right? 19 tazer shots later he is most likely fully relaxed and capable of having a coherent conversation with the members of law enforcement, laughing about how violent he was when they arrived and how calm the tazer has made him.
Right.
- jeffiek, on 07/27/2008, -10/+33"Cops don't just show up and taser someone who's lying on the ground in pain."
- Ninh, on 07/27/2008, -7/+269Defense attorney: The young man was dead when the officers arrived on the scene, only by use of electric shocks were they able to revive and save him!
- PopcornDave, on 07/28/2008, -2/+13Ah, the famous Luke 7:11-15 defense.
/sarcasm - Ghjnut, on 07/28/2008, -1/+20Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
- innocentsinner, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1These heroes deserve a medal.
- PopcornDave, on 07/28/2008, -2/+13Ah, the famous Luke 7:11-15 defense.
- dinobot, on 07/28/2008, -3/+173This is sick! I think anyone who is badly injured would undoubtedly flail because of pain.
One time I got severely sick and coming in and out of conscience, witnesses said I was yelling profanities left and right, calling people names and whatnot - so the whole of him yelling about killing cops might be a response to what was happening to him, or he was just hallucinating -- or the cops were just making that ***** up to cover their asses- Lewiji, on 07/28/2008, -0/+20Same. I fell 25 feet off a skate ramp once, woke up in an ambulance and apparently just kept swearing, rambling, repeating the same things over and over. I have no recollection of this and it was purely shock. I don't remember to this day what caused the fall, so that will probably remain a mystery too.
- lineweight, on 07/28/2008, -0/+11I mentioned in a thread above that after traumatic injuries, when a person is "post-concussive" it is entirely possible that they are belligerent, combative and aggressive. Either way, it sounds like the cops were out of line.
- thecatcantalk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Holy cow. This is why I ride a longboard, instead.
- RockMuncher, on 07/28/2008, -0/+10Bad injuries, *especially* head injuries (from say.. a fall) can scramble your natural brain signals, and very often leads to extreme violence or swearing. The kid might not have had a massive head injury (thank god) but any fall from a significant height can scramble your brain like that.
This is incredibly common, and the police should definitely have known about it. I know the cops around here are trained to check for severe injury in cases like this.. although I'm not sure how much checking is needed when the guy *fell off an overpass*. The comments from the Chief of Police seems to show an ignorance of head injuries as well.. which leads me to think the entire department is either staffed with morons, or 'old school' cops that don't get any actual useful training.
The proper response is to try and get the person to respond to any kind of verbal signals, even by in context swearing, and if unresponsive call the paramedics and wait. Especially if they can't move; if they can, you might have to subdue them... but you sure as hell don't have to tase them 19 times. Handcuffs would work quite well.. I know medical tape works fine for us unarmed paramedics.- lineweight, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2Most police aren't trained medical providers and are incapable of spotting a post-traumatic, head-injured patient. To hold them responsible for that kind of knowledge is not reasonable. It IS reasonable to train them not to taze the hell out of kids, however. Unfortunately, cops aren't above the "sympathetic dump" that we all experience in stressful situations. What they did sounds wrong and should receive disciplinary action, but they are human and imperfect too.
- Gonthim, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3I'd say it is reasonable for the police to understand that, after falling 30 feet, the kid could have a head injury that could make him unaware of his surroundings and make him act in an uncooperative fashion. Personally, this is something I'd expect the majority of people to know without taking a class on it, but I'd also expect the police to have to take a class or lecture on basic injury/first aid that would cover head injuries. This isn't so they can treat people necessarily, but so that they know how to handle these situations and how the people they are dealing with are not acting normally.
- RockMuncher, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6They might not be trained medical providers, but police are trained to spot head injuries and other medical and psychological altered behaviour, such as diabetic mood alteration, carbon monoxide exposure, schizophrenia, etc.
Yeah, they're not paramedics, but they have specialized training of their own for threat assessment, both threats to themselves and the people they are assessing. They're also trained in basic life support/ injury assessment (breathing for people, bagging them if necessary, not moving neck injury patients and using AEDs)
- DangerCollie, on 07/28/2008, -0/+9Kid had a broken back and heel, so it's probably a safe assumption he wasn't chasing the cops. And it seems unlikely he was much of a threat.
We worked a pickup truck accident last year, three kids injured really badly. One of them was fighting and swearing at the ambulance attendant while we were trying to get him strapped to a back board. She was pretty patient with him and just told him that if he didn't settle down she'd have the firemen tape him to the board. He calmed down after we gave him a whiff of O2.
I've seen that happen a lot. People in trauma will fight us, the ambulance staff, doctors and nurses. Strangely that's usually people stone cold sober, drunks are generally pretty cooperative. But I've never even seen the deputies or state patrol threaten an injury victim with a taser. I've seen them tell people they had to settle down, even seen people get handcuffed and spend a few minutes in the back of the car so they could calm down. Anyone that threatened one of my accident victims with a taser, I don't care if it was my best friend, I'd file a complaint. But cops don't act like that here. Maybe we're just lucky.
- Lewiji, on 07/28/2008, -0/+20Same. I fell 25 feet off a skate ramp once, woke up in an ambulance and apparently just kept swearing, rambling, repeating the same things over and over. I have no recollection of this and it was purely shock. I don't remember to this day what caused the fall, so that will probably remain a mystery too.
- mentallyinhell, on 07/28/2008, -7/+142And the police are justifying this how? He made comments like kill cops so he was considered a threat. How ***** ridiculous.
- infiniphunk, on 07/28/2008, -3/+55It doesn't matter, anyone who disrespects authority and the police should be killed on the spot. Otherwise you're just condoning terrorism and marijuana use.
- WhoWatches, on 07/28/2008, -0/+25You forget out-of-wedlock sex and gay marriage. Ya know, the really important issues in our counrty.
- feignNU, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1That got a legitimate lol out of me. congrats.
- Spire3660, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1om nom nom tasty sarcasm you can sink you teeth into.
- VacantThoughts, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1How dare you accuse me of condoning terrorism
- symbolicsorcery, on 07/28/2008, -5/+4The only justification they need is to be our Gods.
Get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness you slaves!
God = Law
God's Authority on Earth = Police and Government - LenBaird, on 07/28/2008, -1/+8People with broken backs leap to their feet and assault cops all the time. They were just protecting themselves from an obvious threat... 19 times
- bryceman111, on 07/28/2008, -0/+219 times is the minimum amount for protecting yourself from an obvious threat... geesh.
- FukUrCouch, on 07/28/2008, -0/+0How do you just say, Kill Cops, Shoot cops unless he suffers from some kind of turrets syndrome. Why would the cops make him follow orders to stand up if he fell 30 ***** feet and has a broken back!! I'll probably say ***** you call an ambulance!!!
- GraceHead, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3I'm not saying that we should slay Cops indiscriminately, but perhaps this time the victim was onto something.
- infiniphunk, on 07/28/2008, -3/+55It doesn't matter, anyone who disrespects authority and the police should be killed on the spot. Otherwise you're just condoning terrorism and marijuana use.
- Hellman109, on 07/28/2008, -12/+88The problems isnt the taser (Ive seen it used to take down mainly people drugged up, where physical force cant do that) its how they are used.
Like most things they can be used well or very bad. Rolling pin - great for making pizza bases, bad for bashing people with, etc.
Here in Australia if a cop shoots his gun there is always an investigation, generally small, to make sure he followed the rules. They should do the same with tasers, the cop needs to justify its use or face disciplinary action.- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -2/+13Those "investigations" usually don't matter. The department and others will cover for anyone who screws up. The most you end up with is payed leave while they "investigate" and then later the determine you were right in shooting or your use of force or whatever.
- Myonosken, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4Whilst all countries' police forces defend their own, they don't do it to the extremes of the ***** up US police system.
- Coreyinprogress, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4Who do you think does the investigating here?
- Myonosken, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Independent bodies?
- thecatcantalk, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2Yeah, the officer should be investigated by his drinking buddies, the same fellows he plays poker with on Saturday night.
We've tried that, thanks. You can see the results. - dacjames, on 07/29/2008, -0/+0Cops face "disciplinary action," everyone else goes to prison for assault. That's really f
- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -2/+13Those "investigations" usually don't matter. The department and others will cover for anyone who screws up. The most you end up with is payed leave while they "investigate" and then later the determine you were right in shooting or your use of force or whatever.