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What Happens When You Dont Clean Your Guns. IN PICTURES!

braingoodbye.com — Uck! Guy gets a bullet in the hand. With guns like these who needs enemies!?

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  • psogle, on 05/22/2008, -50/+21That's the anti murder device. it blows up and hurts the person using it
    • heliox, on 05/22/2008, -9/+30I think it is the anti-self protection device. It blows up hurting the person using it, then the person gets robbed and raped.
    • noahhoward, on 05/22/2008, -7/+14You're both wrong, it's the anti-idiot device. It blows up, hurting the person who was stupid enough to use a gun incorrectly.

      This one's defective, it should have been fatal.
      • Hickeroar, on 05/22/2008, -0/+11Had nothing to do with the gun being dirty. It's a known design flaw in the FN Five-Seven that allowed it to fire out of battery.

        The article author needed to RTFA before posting this. The gun may or may not have been dirty, but that's irrelevant. It fired with the casing exposed out the back of the chamber and the the slide partially back.
    • Pstmann, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Actually your all wrong. It's not for self defense or ( hopefully ) idiots and murderers. It was a defective FN-5.7. It is only available for military or law enforcement as the ammo is interchangeable with the P90 submachine-gun and can penetrate body armor.
      • Hickeroar, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1Wow... You can go to Bass Pro Shops anywhere around here and pick up an FN Five-Seven. They're far from illegal. You can even buy a P90 Semi-Auto if you want to (with an extended barrel). You just can't have a the full auto version and you can't have the short barrel.

        There's no illegal firearm ammo in the US. Only certain illegal types of firearms....and they're very few compared to the number of firearms that ARE legal.
  • balibones, on 05/22/2008, -3/+63He's lucky that's all he got - a few stitches.
    • spitsnaugle, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1a single stitch to be exact
    • wicketr, on 05/22/2008, -2/+5***** THING SUCKS!
    • joeydoo, on 05/23/2008, -1/+1Who the ***** cares? Why is this newsworthy to anyone anywhere at all?..... it's a gun/bullets with explosive matter in. Guess what, every once in a while it's going to ***** up like everything else. Many things which ***** up won't mame you, since guns are generally made to do that.... what do you expect is going to happen?
      Maybe it would have been cool and diggable if it blew a finger off or killed a pet.... but come on people it was a pathetic little scratch from looking at the pictures. People have got worse from mishandling a stapler.
  • sterntastic223, on 05/22/2008, -14/+6This is also what happens when I don't clean my dad's gun.
    • daniel, on 05/22/2008, -6/+18He cuts your hand? Your dad's a pervert. You should stop "cleaning" his "gun".
    • joker10687, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1lawl
  • queenmoweeny, on 05/22/2008, -2/+14Wow this guy is so lucky! He could have had it a lot worse!
    • humangrenade, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4It probably wouldn't have happened if he had bought a better piece. I hope he'll cough up the extra cash and buy a SIG to replace it.
      • personalj, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1A sig costs the same as the FN, I'm sure The P22X series have had their fair share of problems.
    • robocop1, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1WOW! I know! How crazy!
  • Rockout, on 05/22/2008, -11/+22That looks to me like there was too much powder in the round, not that the gun was dirty.
    • shadeOfGrey, on 05/22/2008, -0/+29It was a defect with the gun.
    • sexybobo, on 05/22/2008, -12/+7This situation it he packed his own bullets and messed up one of them. But barrels do explode if the gun is to dirty. The range I go to has 9 guns with exploded barrels usually it is a pretty major clog that causes it not just the absence of regular cleaning.(1 of them had a mud dauber nest in the barrel another had gotten car oil in the barrel)
      • doctechnical, on 05/22/2008, -0/+10Must have been a pretty nasty surprise to the wasps, too.
      • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -4/+14Your range is full of dumb-asses.

        While a member of the local conservation club (mostly hardcore hunters, Minnesota thing), I've shot THOUSANDS of rounds (hand loaded) out of many, many guns. And at the gun range (pistol and skeet range! WOOT! Trap shooting FTW!) that they used to operate, NOBODY ever blew up their guns because of ***** packing or bad gun maintenance.

        Anyone with their head not firmly implanted in their ass shouldn't have these problems, unless they're trying to make custom armoer punch rounds or something. There's NO WAY IN THE WORLD that typical hand-loader should ever, EVER have to deal with this.

        Your gun range is full of dumb-*****.
        • sexybobo, on 05/22/2008, -1/+59 guns out of the 50 years of operation isn't that bad.
        • gyrfalcon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2I'm also in Minnesota... what club do you belong to? The gun pictured apparently blew up because of a design flaw. Other firearms can have problems too, like a Glock if you shoot lead wad cutters out of the hexagonal rifling.
        • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -1/+3We were members of the Osseo Conservation Club. (long since departed from them).

          HUUGE duck hunters. We'd build wood-duck houses, and blinds to place each year, filling feeders when necessary, and running a fish trap on Fish Lake in the area, along with teaching hunter firearms safety training classes, and running the St Michael trap shooting range. All proceeds from that range would go toward education and conservation efforts for the next year.

          How many people are on your range? Out of the 10 years that I was involved in this club, and thousands upon thousands of rounds being fired, there have been ZERO incidents of something like this. 9 in 50 years is still more than zero in ten years. But again, growing up KNOWING how these things were done helps eliminate disasters.

          The one thing I DO miss about he club is the wild-game pot-luck dinners once a month. Omg, those were good.

          Hunters eat the strangest *****..... But it's GOOD! (bear chili? had it. Slow-cooked BBQ raccoon? Had it. Elk, bison, duck, grouse, squirrel, rabbit, woodchuck, and god knows what else that had fur and four legs. I've probably eaten it at some point..)

          God, I miss that.....
        • sexybobo, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1It is a public range. On an average weekend I will see 100 or so people at it in a day.
        • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Osseo ran a public range too (outdoor, not indoor), but they didn't cater to anyone who walked in and wanted to shoot.

          I guess catering to the C0D4 crowd has it's drawbacks.
        • gyrfalcon, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1I belong to a couple of ranges like GRRC and Legion Post 435. I've heard of guns going kabloom on the range, but it's generally because of improper reloads. From what was described it sounds like the FN Five-seveN has some serious design issues.

          I can't say I'm a big hunter, but I definitely agree with you on strange ***** being tasty!
      • camionmorto, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Mud dauber nest!? Car oil! Are you making this stuff up? If you really did belong to a range you would know that it's not called "packing" bullets. It's called reloading, and it's very safe to do. Most gun enthusiasts reload their own ammo (myself included), and I have never personally known anyone who has overcharged their loads to the point of blowing up the gun. (which in the gun community is called a Kaboom or KB)

        It happens though, and very well could have happened in this case that he overcharged the round.
      • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Wrong ammo is probably the most common cause of catastrophic handgun malfunctions. You either find someone trying to shoot some ridiculous hand load that is way beyond spec, or a completely different caliber. A dirty gun rarely causes this kind of failure. I have even seen a rifle stuck barrel first into mud to fill the barrel and the gun still did not blow up.
        • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Hehe, totally unrelated, but it reminds me of when I'd stick the barrel of my .410 into a mud puddle and pull the trigger just to watch the mud puddle go "bloop!".

          And yes, we did a total break-down of all guns at the end of each hunting night. It was kind of the ritual. Go hunting, clean the game, then sit around watching TV cleaning the guns. It was basically a ritual.
    • wwnexc, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Doubt it. These 5.7 mm rounds are meant to look like that. If the round had been overfilled, however, the damage should be directed more toward the rear of the gun, imho.
  • elefaint, on 05/22/2008, -14/+4Someone call the Mythbusters!!
    • fakekevinrose, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2For what? there's no myth here.
  • avengingturnip, on 05/22/2008, -8/+135And here is the real story. http://tinyurl.com/5s2odg
    • ch33sehead, on 05/22/2008, -0/+11Looks like the guy's claiming the FiveseveN model is defective and is prone to fire out-of-battery.
    • jwk4heels, on 05/22/2008, -2/+3I don't know what the hell most of what he said means.
      • SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/22/2008, -0/+8He said that the guns flawed design allows it to fire while a round is not fully chambered. Hence the gun explodes.
    • vanguardanon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Can somebody explain what firing out of battery means?
      • icexe, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-battery
      • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -3/+1It means that the cartridge (consisting of the bullet and casing) has not yet been seated all of the way in the chamber before the gun fires. Basically the bullet is not lined up with the hole in the barrel.
      • salxman12, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4it means that the slide on his gun wasn't all the way forward so that instead of the wall of the chamber being there to support the copper casing from the pressure of being fired there was nothing and the thin piece of copper cant hold in the something like 30,000psi or whatever it is for that round from it being shot so it went boom
    • jer2eydevil88, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Link is dead :-( I even signed up to view it and its been moved to a non public forum.
  • shadeOfGrey, on 05/22/2008, -2/+95Buried for inaccurate title.
  • duggtodeath, on 05/22/2008, -11/+1Clearly the firer did not have the proper nanites.
  • arlok789, on 05/22/2008, -47/+24THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ***** A STRANGER IN THE ASS

    ***** it dude lets go bowling.

    What kind of gun is that?
    • bdolcourt, on 05/22/2008, -1/+12FN FiveseveN

      This story and pictures have been posted by the guy it happened to on various firearms related websites.

      Story is also available here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=362563
    • aspec, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2The picture is hard to see because the site won't load for me, but it looks like an early civilian model of the FN Five-seveN. The newer models square off the trigger guard.
    • vade79, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1An early model FN Five-Seven ... the thumbnail pic here anyways.
    • zoomoxam, on 05/22/2008, -1/+9***** nihilists.
    • TheDuckHat, on 05/22/2008, -1/+9Thats a Big Lebowski reference for those who don't know
  • burninthepyre, on 05/22/2008, -7/+23http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_co ...

    This is what really happens when you don't clean your guns.
    • h3lx, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2Thank you. I was looking for that.
    • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -3/+35An "internal server error"?

      Holy *****, I better get out the oil.
    • Helloween2008, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1No, that's what happens to a GLOCK.
  • elephantay, on 05/22/2008, -17/+2magikarp karp karp!
  • NavS, on 05/22/2008, -11/+12What Happens When You Dont Read The ***** Article. IN TEXT!
  • BXRWXR, on 05/22/2008, -3/+34This is my rifle, this is my gun
    Both go off in my hand when I have fun
  • artofwot, on 05/22/2008, -4/+31I was firing a magnum on Thanksgiving with family members (a typic New England Thanksgiving, really), and the second shot I fired there wasn't any kick. I shrugged and fired twice more, only to find that the first shot had lodged in the barrel of the gun... the tip of the bullet was sticking out, and there were still two bullets lodged behind it.

    Needless to say, I was pretty lucky.
    • doctechnical, on 05/22/2008, -1/+26Sweet Jesus, "lucky" isn't the word. You always stop firing and wait to see what happens with a misfire. Point the gun at something safe and wait, it could be slow-burning powder and the gun can go off minutes after you fired it. After the wait you eject the cartridge and check the bore.
      But props for making shooting a Thanksgiving tradition :)
      • artofwot, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4Yep, I know. I didn't actually think continuing to fire was a good idea - but my Dad didn't seem to see a problem with it.
        • avengingturnip, on 05/22/2008, -0/+20Your dad not like you much?
        • bitterbug, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5Life insurance on your kids is the new retirement savings plan :)
        • MtheoryX, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1That's what a twelve-pack on Thanksgiving with an empty stomach will do to ya ;P
        • Stevanoski, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1empty stomach buzz's are the best
      • Livewired, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1It's not a misfire. It's called a squib load. Technically it fired.
    • cgoff, on 05/22/2008, -4/+4Thank God for Ruger.
      • hightower77, on 05/22/2008, -2/+4Oh my. You know nothing. Rugers are atrocious.
        • Digger1218, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Oh I don't know, I have a couple rugers and they both work and shoot just fine.
        • hightower77, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1If they are Ruger revolvers, I'm 100% with you. Should have clarified. Their semi-autos suck balls.
      • brjndr, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3H&K FTW
        • Laughsatyou, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I got a USP .45 Compact and I love it, though I would rather have the full size.
    • camionmorto, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4Very Lucky
    • satyarth, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Was'nt that myth busted?
    • Dignan666, on 05/22/2008, -1/+6Lucky if true. But I have never heard of such a thing happening. Plus the fact that the pressure must escape somewhere... My internet sense tells me its a BS story.
      • artofwot, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Nope, I think it had to with the fact that we were using old ammo. And I mean *old*, probably around 20 years, and it most likely had some moisture trapped in it.
        • MtheoryX, on 05/23/2008, -0/+120 year old ammo? How the hell do people keep it laying around for that long? It's not like wine or something.
        • MadOgre, on 05/23/2008, -0/+2The gun is only a few years old... so is the caliber. There is no way that this ammo was 20 years old. This cartridge didn't exist 20 years ago.
        • artofwot, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1I never said it was the same gun. It was a .357 magnum cartridge, which as been around since the 1930s.
    • BenKenobi88, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5I read that as "I was firing a magnum on my family members on Thanksgiving." It left me a little confused.
    • jerrycurley, on 05/22/2008, -5/+0Uhhh...I have lived around ew England all my life and I rarely see red neck white trash people. So I don't know what you are talking about.
      • truthhammer, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Ignoramus=you
      • doctechnical, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2If you don't know what we're talking about perhaps you should go back to the children's table, we adults are trying to have a conversation here. You should be seen and not heard.
    • desertDenizen, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2I guess you do feel lucky, punk.

      :)
  • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -46/+5All you 2nd amendment right nuts better pay attention to this, so that when the evil Muslims creep though the transportation system, into your neighborhoods, and under your bed, you know how to defend yourself without blowing your own ass up.

    booga booga booga
    • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -0/+32Not all gun enthusiasts are ignorant hillbillies.
      • Whackly, on 05/22/2008, -4/+1You can thow a quarter into a bucket of pennies and still only have $7.25.
      • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3I agree with that. I was certified in firearms at 15. I was teaching at 17. (started hunting at the age of 9 with my dad. He's the one that made me get certified, and thought I could teach, or at least assist in teaching the class (since I was 17. He was one of the people that certified others. It's not the type of license you pass on without knowing someone is capable))

        I still think that it should be MANDATORY for a gun owner to take a safety class.

        Too god damn many people out nowadays that think that between their CoD4 training and watching their heroes shoot a pistol held sideways in movies and music videos, that they know how to handle a device which can kill people.

        I'm not against gun ownership, but I am against gun ownership without training on how to use a deadly weapon.
        • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -1/+6I go back and forth about this...
          On the one hand I agree that it would clearly be a good idea to have every gun owner take training.

          On the other hand, if the government decides that it can require the training, what other restrictions can they add? The way the law works you have to not only look at what the law is intended to do, but what precedent it sets.
        • doctechnical, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I agree with barnett25. The power to license a thing is the power to destroy it. Personally I think you should have to have a license to run a blog - nothing extraordinary, just a basic grammar and spelling test any 6th grader should breeze through. But that would be an impediment to the First Amendment right of any ***** mouth-breathing illiterate twit to post their drivel world-wide.

          Requiring a test for the RTKBA is the same thing. So are literacy tests at the polls on election day.
        • bjornski, on 05/23/2008, -0/+2You have a license to drive, right?

          To use a device far less deadly than a gun?
        • Dimensio, on 05/23/2008, -1/+2"You have a license to drive, right?"

          A license is required for operation of a motor vehicle on public roadways. Similarly, many states require a licence for the carrying of a concealed deadly weapon when in public. However, no license is required for a motor vehicle that is operated exclusively on private property, and a license is not required for ownership of a motor vehicle.


          "To use a device far less deadly than a gun?"

          Please justify this assertion. More individuals are killed in automobile-related fatalities than are killed in firearms-related incidents.
        • bjornski, on 05/23/2008, -1/+1Well, if as many carried guns are there are cars on the road, I'd expect that number to up astronomically.
        • Dimensio, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3"Well, if as many carried guns are there are cars on the road, I'd expect that number to up astronomically."

          Please demonstrate that your speculation has a basis in reality.
    • OffPiste, on 05/22/2008, -2/+22I agree. What a joke, Muslims are not going to invade America.

      Thankfully no one is raped or murdered in the US. There is no need to own a gun for personal protection.

      American woman have learned that rapists will wait to be arrested if they are verbally told forcefully to "STOP!!! Leave me alone!!!"

      Murderers will always lay down their weapons when spoken to in a calming voice.


      ***** idiot Wingers thinking they have ANY right to self protection. That's what the government is for.
      • ralphodog, on 05/22/2008, -4/+2I moved to a country that has a total ban on guns and I feel much safer here than I did when living in the US. I've walked home many nights (from 1 am to 5 am), sometimes I'll even take side streets. I feel that being tall here and having a gym membership leaves me in a much better situation to defend myself versus having a decent gun and a CWP in the States.
        • ArmandoM, on 05/22/2008, -1/+4Lucky you for being tall...

          Screw people under 5' tall, disabled people, out of shape people, etc. They don't deserve to be able to defend themselves anyway, right?
        • Dimensio, on 05/23/2008, -2/+3"I moved to a country that has a total ban on guns and I feel much safer here than I did when living in the US."

          I am sorry to hear that you had irrational fears when living in the United States.
      • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5Response time for police is usually much longer than the time it takes to commit a crime. Except in rare circumstances the only point in calling the police is to file a report.
    • doctechnical, on 05/22/2008, -1/+21It seems to me that a "gun nut" is the least likely person to let their guns go without cleaning. It would be like a car enthusiast not getting the oil changed.
      • Pixelante, on 05/22/2008, -0/+8Right on. Gun enthusiast clean and maintain their weapons regularly, even if they have not fired them. Firearms need some maintenance even when the weather gets humid or dry, and it always pays to go and see if you can still fieldstrip the thing blindfolded and put it back together. Moreover, it's also a good time to check the action.
      • bjornski, on 05/22/2008, -3/+2Hey, I didn't say all gun nuts didn't know this, but that it's something that all of them should know to keep "Betty" from blowing up in their faces.

        Just like there are new computer users every year, there are new gun-nuts.

        And just like new computer users, many of them are ***** stupid.
  • pizzaface200, on 05/22/2008, -35/+7http://www.duggmirror.com

    did not get it
    • D14BL0, on 05/22/2008, -0/+23Whelp, thanks for linking us to something and then telling us it doesn't work.
  • replaysMike, on 05/22/2008, -5/+15Same thing happens when I don't clean my hookers.
  • jdmcadam, on 05/22/2008, -2/+31Google Cache:
    http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:24A6oBfADwIJ: ...
  • joshuagor44, on 05/22/2008, -3/+6Thats how Speedle died.
  • FearFactory, on 05/22/2008, -1/+52defect not dirty
  • ElBeh, on 05/22/2008, -2/+5Did you hear that awful sound?
  • ljsmithx, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2doubt it
  • DaviDaviDaviD, on 05/22/2008, -9/+22A similar thing happened to me a few days ago. I have a collection of M16 bullets on my desk (don't ask me why, I just do) and I found that my chair was becoming loose. The screw had gone from the main support and everything else I stuck in there was not working. I stuck a bullet in there a laid back...it worked! Until a few minutes later when the bullet flung out of the chair and missed my arm by about 1/4 of an inch. Scariest thing ever to happen to me whilst I was browsing digg I tell you.
    • pizzaface200, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6Did the bullet fire or did it just come out out of the chair at a rapid speed?
      • Dimensio, on 05/22/2008, -1/+11I do not believe that bullets can fire of their own accord. They must be packed in a casing filled with a measured quantity of powder that is ignited by a primer. As DaviDaviDaviD state that he had used a bullet, and not a complete cartridge, it is likely that the bullet was merely pushed out of place at high speed due to pressure applied by the chair.
        • Physicsmazz, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4Most people don't know the difference between the two. My guess is he actually used a cartridge.
    • D14BL0, on 05/22/2008, -0/+22Darwin missed by 1/4 of an inch...
    • MasterGrief, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5Reminds me of the story where some hunters blow a fuse in their truck, and to fix it they put a .22 round in the blown fuse's place.
      • ApokalypseNow, on 05/22/2008, -0/+7Ah yes, and when the bullet heated up it fired and struck the driver in the testicle - good times.
        • Terr01, on 05/22/2008, -4/+2I think MythBusters wasn't able to make that one work.
        • Callidus, on 05/22/2008, -0/+7No, they actually did make it work, more than once too.
        • MasterGrief, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Yes, I was thinking about that episode when I wrote my previous post. I seem to recall them being able to stamp it "PLAUSIBLE" because they found that, when using unnecessarily high gauge wire to funnel electricity to the fuse/bullet, there was enough subsequent heating to discharge the round.
        • Oea420, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3The real shocker of the story is...

          it went up through his testies, and of course being a .22 round, bounced around making mincemeat of his brain
    • coldkodiak, on 05/22/2008, -0/+16Sorry. You stick live rounds, that just need a nice hit on the back to go off, into holes in your chair, that you then rock around in it, insanely, reading digg.

      You are super duper sir. That is so inane that I'm just going to believe it, and shrug.
      • jerrycurley, on 05/22/2008, -3/+1True..I almost have to believe it because no person would willing lie to make themselves look THAT stupid.
    • Pstall, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2A live round will not kill you (or even hurt you) if it goes off outside of a gun... at WORST you will maybe have a bruise. You need pressure to make a round effective, if there is no pressure it is not dangerous and will not go very far and will not do any damage to anything.
      • MtheoryX, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Although that seems reasonable, I'm not willing to test that one out.
  • theworldisflat, on 05/22/2008, -4/+11Hint: If you have a squib, don't force another round into the chamber and fire.
    • BattleScars, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4It wasn't a squib. If it had been, he would have known from the sound and lack of recoil and known not to pull the trigger again.
    • Hickeroar, on 05/22/2008, -0/+10Wasn't a squib. It's a design defect in the Five-Seven. A gun should NEVER be able to fire out of battery.
  • beingdevious, on 05/22/2008, -11/+4this is why i wouldn't buy a composite material gun.
    • noahhoward, on 05/22/2008, -13/+4Do yourself, and us, a favor and don't buy a gun.
      a.) You missed the main cause (hint: it's maintenance)
      b.) You failed to realise the materials wouldn't make a difference
      • xdevit, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6Cause was from a defect.
      • Apollyon0810, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6Hint: It was a defect.
      • cdahlkvist, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6The main cause was defect, not maintenance.

        Maybe you should read the article and get the facts straight before telling someone else off.
      • avengingturnip, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2The material might have made a difference in what the explosion did to the gun. Metal construction may have saved his hand and the only damage would have been blowing out the bottom of the magazine.
    • Gryffydd, on 05/22/2008, -0/+8For the most part I'm with you, I'm a 1911 man myself, but if you do manage to blow up a steel frame gun you're going to be in a lot worse shape than blowing up a plastic one.
      • Lunarbunny, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Reminds me of that scene in Sin City where Jackie Boy ends up with the slide in his forehead.
    • Hickeroar, on 05/22/2008, -3/+6LOL. Glocks are pretty much the most reliable gun on the planet and they have a polymer frame. You can stick with your heavy metal guns if you want, but you end up with a less reliable heavy chunk of metal.

      One particular model of polymer gun having an issue is a moronic reason to write off all polymer guns. The five-seven could have had a metal frame, the same design flaw, and would have embedded part of the metal frame in the guy's hand as well. Don't be a moron.
      • centerblack, on 05/22/2008, -1/+6Heavy is good.
        Heavy is reliable.
        If it doesn't work, you can always hit him with it.
      • hightower77, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Glocks are not the most reliable handgun on the planet. You might want to read up on a few other manufactures first. Sig and H&K come to mind first. Read about how they rigor test those. And then tell me how they test a Glock.

        Glocks are an entry level handgun. They don't shoot well, are not well made, and are much more complicated to maintain than either of the two brands above. I'm not talking out of my ass just so you know.

        I've ran well over a few thousand rounds through all three of the brands I've mentioned, as well as Barettas. The Glock comes in a distant 4th (In my opinion) in terms of build, action and accuracy. I'd rank (Again, my opinion) as follows:

        1. Sig
        2. H&K
        3. Baretta
        4. Springfield XD
        5. Glock

        As a matter of fact, the newer Springfield XD are much like a Glock, but they got everything Glock didn't get right, right. I haven't shot them near as much as the rest, but I like them better than the Glocks.

        Overall, Glocks aren't horrible (if you like them, that's fine with me, all take my Sig anyday over anything else on this list), they just aren't the best handgun on the market.
        • BabyWookie, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I am a Sig man myself. What do you think of CZ-75's though?
        • hightower77, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Man, I shot a few CZs a month or so ago. Wasn't bad. Not too impressed though. My biggest problem, it didn't feel good to me. That's my biggest deal when shooting. That's the third reason I picked a Sig vs a H&K. (Accuracy and reputation being the second and first.) The Sigs just feel good in my hand. I like the weight, the balance and everything about it in my hand. The H&K, feels a little cheeper than the sig, and the CZ, for what ever reason, just felt too skinny. Don't know if that makes sense at all.
        • Hickeroar, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1You are one severely misinformed individual. Calling a Glock "entry level" is like calling a Hummer an SUV.

          As far as "talking out of your ass" goes, that's exactly what you're doing.

          Try doing this to your precious Sig/HK/Beretta/Springfield: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46253 ...

          If you chamber a round in a Glock and pull the trigger it will work...no matter what...every single time.
        • hightower77, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Again, did you bother to look at what they do to Sigs and HKs? Here's what the HK Mk23 had to pass from HK "BEFORE" they even deemed it worthy to sell.

          30,000 round endurance firing test with + P ammunition
          Extreme temperatures +73°C/-54°C (+ 160/-60 F)
          96 hours saline mist test
          Sand, dust and sludge tests
          96 hour surf simulation
          Harshest drop tests
          Accuracy and the highest precision

          I couldn't find the test for Sig, since it won't let me google the word torture at work for some reason. ;)

          You just have to look at the list of respected agencies that carry Sigs to make my point. I've named a few below.

          Maybe the US Immmigration and Customs Enforcement, the NAVY SEALS, the Coast Guard, the British SAS and British Armed Forces, the Duvdevan Unit of the Israel Defense Forces, the US Federal Air Marshalls, the United States Department of State - Diplomatic Security Service, and the US Secret Service have it wrong, but I highly doubt it.

          Glocks are good for local agencies because they are less than half the price of Sigs and HKs. Makes for easier budgets. (I know 8 cops in my hometown. And they all paid for Sigs out of their pocket instead of using the provided Glocks.) And it's not a small town in the middle of nowhere Texas. It is in Dallas - Ft. Worth btw.

          Most people that that I've ever talked to that think Glocks are really good, have never shot a Sig. Almost everytime I go to the range, I have at least one person that wants to shoot one of my Sigs. I've never seen anyone ask a Glock owner to shoot their Glock. Also, one of my best friends has a Glock, maybe you should ask him why he always wants to shoot my Sig?

          And btw, the Hummer is an SUV. So, yeah, good job man.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer_H3
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer_H2
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer_H1
    • jer2eydevil88, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2This is why I would only buy a revolver.
      • chiefbandit2200, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2This is why you would lose in a gunfight.
      • doub1etap, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1This is why I only shoot flint-locks.
  • blackbeard123, on 05/22/2008, -14/+5Most kabooms are caused by shooters reloading thier brass to shoot again. Ever wonder why most shooting ranges only let you shoot factory ammo? This pic says it all.
    • Hickeroar, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3This is truth, but it wasn't his problem. The problem was with the fact that the gun was able to fire out of battery...and did. The high pressures of the 5-7 cartridge without a supporting chamber was too much. This could happen with any number of cartridges if their gun had such a design flaw.
  • MaceSoul, on 05/22/2008, -15/+2Huh. Who would have thought a plastic gun wouldn't hold together. Guess it didn't save you as much money as you thought.
    • Digger1218, on 05/22/2008, -1/+9That FN is pretty expensive. Way to reveal your lack of knowledge on the subject.
      • MaceSoul, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Expensive != quality.
        • Digger1218, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1I never said anything about its quality. You implied that it was cheap with the second sentence in your comment. Thus, you revealed your lack of knowledge.
    • Pixelante, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5Polymers are used in the grips and in other mostly non-moving parts. The chamber and the barrel are still made out of metal.
      • MaceSoul, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah, and which part lost integrity?
  • Lancer28, on 05/22/2008, -0/+25If you read the article posted above this happened not because the gun wasn't cleaned or because he did his own reloading. This happened because there is a defect with the gun that caused the round to load out of battery meaning that when the round is chambered, the round was not properly chambered. In this case the round was chambered with 1/4 of the round in the magazine.
    • greenroom628, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1yes, and in typical gun manufacturer fashion, "deny, deny, deny".
    • doub1etap, on 05/22/2008, -0/+0It's well within FN's rights to blame the reloads. It's a hot cartridge and easy to screw up. A physical inspection by a firearms examiner would be able to sort it out. Unfortunately, the burden of proof is on him because he used non-factory ammo. Not to say that the gun wasn't defective and he didn't do everything right, I'm just a nervous handloader.
  • f3rr37, on 05/22/2008, -1/+216wow, didn't know I'd make it to digg.

    Title is completely inaccurate, as is the linked article, and I do not have a bullet in my hand, I have a piece of brass.

    Please visit http://fivesevenforum.net/showthread.php?t=17426 for my first hand account of the incident.
    • sapped, on 05/22/2008, -0/+17Just to be clear on this; is your first hand the one with the metal in it or the other one?
    • jothaxe, on 05/22/2008, -0/+27Unfortunately, accuracy in headlines doesn't get diggs, so submitters just make up whatever sounds appealing.
    • redstorm986, on 05/22/2008, -11/+4why were you firing reloads?
      • Cerebron, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4Ammo is getting expensive?
      • shig, on 05/22/2008, -0/+35.7mm is notoriously expensive. Has been since it was created. When you're paying a dollar per hole in a piece of paper, the benefits of reloading become more apparent with each subsequent mag change. It's not like there are any surplus 5.7mm from any African or Eastern Bloc countries making their way to the American market any time soon.
    • f3rr37, on 05/22/2008, -0/+10Because I reload for this caliber.
      • redstorm986, on 05/22/2008, -4/+2Isn't that against all the manufacturers recommendations on the types of ammunition to use?
        • SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5Isn't it irrelevant since the re-loads were fine and did not contribute to the circumstances of the accident?
      • cybrguy, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6Reloading is perfectly safe if you do it properly. The manufacturers only say don't use reloaded ammunition because they don't want any liability when someone improperly loads ammo. There is no harm in using reloaded ammunition, but there is a danger if you were careless in loading it. Same reason why dell used to put "removing this sticker voids your warrantee" stickers on their cases so you couldn't open them. They are doing their best to avoid responsability.
      • wezman2, on 05/22/2008, -3/+3For being such a liberal group, diggers sure know a lot about hand guns.
    • holmeydude, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3haha, congrats on making it on Digg, Fuzzy! Would have been nice if they got the story right though. Any word on that "deep discount" yet?
    • roflbrothel, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2 So did you send the gun back to FN?

      Also, why buy a 5.7? I haven't heard a lot of good things about the caliber or the FiveseveN.
      • armydrummer42R, on 05/22/2008, -1/+0Because the 5.7 is an extremely effective armor piercing round. It'll punch through, I believe, 40 layers of kevlar. It can also crack a ballistic helmet. It's a sweet round. They're practically recoil-less, but still powerful and deadly rounds.
      • holmeydude, on 05/22/2008, -1/+0you obviously haven't shot one ,roflbrothel
      • roflbrothel, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1No, I haven't. It struck me as an expensive impractical toy. All of the people whose word I put any stock in and are familiar with the gun and caliber tell me that they're expensive and don't have much stopping power. Plus the rounds aren't exactly cheap or common.

        Armor piercing? Cracking ballistic helmets? Why would an ordinary citizen need a gun that does that?

        From what I understand, you need special rounds that are illegal for ordinary citizens to possess to do that sort of thing anyways.
        • purelithium, on 05/22/2008, -2/+2From what I understand, you should stick to what you know, rather than sticking your nose into ***** you don't know about.
        • roflbrothel, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1You might want to re-evaluate your understanding.
  • volz0r, on 05/22/2008, -18/+6This is why if you purchase a gun for home self-defense, you shouldn't get a 1911 model. You should go with a revolver. They're entirely more reliable even if never cleaned, and they won't backfire on you even in the worst possible shape.
    • hypnotikrobot, on 05/22/2008, -5/+2I
    • Samurai77, on 05/22/2008, -0/+7That was NOT a 1911 copy. its an FN FiveseveN . Sheesh check your facts before giving advice, or RTFA 2 posts up.
    • Pixelante, on 05/22/2008, -2/+5The main reason to get a revolver over a semiauto for home defence is that you can keep it loaded a LONG time. With semiautos, keeping a magazine loaded may end up weakening the spring and increasing the chances of a feed failure.
      • bemenaker, on 05/22/2008, -1/+4You keep a loaded gun in the house? Man you are an idiot. Yes, I have guns, I have shot them all my life. No loaded guns in the house ever.

        You want to scare off a burglar, load your shot gun and rack it once, he'll hear it, and run like mad.
        • Pixelante, on 05/22/2008, -1/+0No, I don't keep a loaded revolver. I keep a loaded shotgun. Defence rounds (rubber pellets) and #14 shot. No overpenetration problems, and not that lethal a combination.
          Racking the action is good, but you could also put a SureFire flashlight under it. The light will blind the guy adding to the letsgetoutofherebeforewegetkilled factor.
        • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1It is considered common practice to have a self defense gun loaded (or my preference, loaded magazine beside the gun). If you have time to load the gun it probably isn't self defense.
          The important thing is to have the gun in a quick access safe.
        • BabyWookie, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Why the hell not keep a loaded gun in the house, if you never have any kids around and *****? When Bubba the Methhead breaks into my back door at night, my Sig .40 and Federal hollow-point, low recoil personal defense rounds are not going to do me any good if the gun is not within reach and doesn't have a clip in it.
        • BabyWookie, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2"Racking the action is good, but you could also put a SureFire flashlight under it. The light will blind the guy adding to the letsgetoutofherebeforewegetkilled factor."

          It will either blind him or give him a good target to aim at. :)
      • VAXcat, on 05/22/2008, -0/+0 Spring fatigue due to a loaded magazine is a myth. People have found old 1911 magazines loaded since WWII and fired them - no spring problem at all.
        • Pixelante, on 05/22/2008, -0/+0They were probably made better or probably they didn't have that much strain on them - the M1911 uses a single line mag, doesn't it?
        • Laughsatyou, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1lies, Ive worn out springs in AR-15 and AK-47 magazines from loading them at full capacity over and over. they still work but they cause jams.
        • VAXcat, on 05/29/2008, -0/+0 Laughsatyou, it's true that repeatedly cycling the magazine follower spring by using a magazine or loading and unloading it will wear out said spring - no one disputes that. It's the myth that loading a mag, and leaveing it fully loaded, will wear out the spring that is at issue - since the spring is not being cycled while it just sits there, no wear or fatigue occurs.
    • vtnerd, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5OR just don't use guns with this particular defect. Cleaning (or lack of cleaning) had nothing to do with what happened.
    • cybrguy, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3There are reasons why to buy a revolver over an automatic for home defense, but there are other reasons why to buy an automatic. Choosing a firearm for defense is a lot more complicated than picking the most "reliable" platform. Although you are correct, a revolver is a very safe, and relaible platform.
    • roflbrothel, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I have a Ruger GP100 and I freakin love it. I don't recommend it for carry (it has the advantage of being able to bludgeon your assailant to death should you run out of bullets- very heavy) but it's extremely reliable and durable. It's very easy to clean as well.

      Also, Samurai is right, the FN FiveseveN isn't even remotely like the 1911 (which I've heard from a lot of people is a pretty reliable gun).
    • whoreable, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1You obviously don't know ***** about guns. I think you meant semi-auto instead of 1911. Also read up on the fiveseven. It has been adopted by military and police all over the world (people whose lives depend on this gun), oh and it holds three to four times as many rounds as your trusty revolver.
  • PueSi, on 05/22/2008, -4/+33That's why I prefer plasma guns, much safer to use.
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Just what you see, pal.
    • Helios001, on 05/22/2008, -1/+3safer, unless you roll a 1.
    • BabyWookie, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1...in the two megawatt range.
    • Psi57, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1They are much better with the turbo upgrade - almost as good as a pulse rifle.
  • Gauthic, on 07/09/2008, -1/+3Lucky a finger or two didn't get taken off..
  • SuperVepr308, on 05/22/2008, -0/+16I knew a guy (born in Kuwait and funny as hell) who loaded his own .45 rounds and liked them hot. He was a programmer by trade and always felt you could push the "recommended" limits of anything well beyond that point. He produced a set of rounds and fired them in a Colt 1911. The gun flew out of his hand and after inspecting it he found the barrel had a perfectly round bulge in the middle about the size of a quarter (he brought the barrel into work). Had that not been a quality barrel, he would have probably lost his face and hand. Note to re-loaders: pressure limits are actually real on rounds and weapons!
    • maz2331, on 05/22/2008, -0/+7Yep. I tend to load pistol cartridges a few tenths of a grain under max just for that reason, and about a grain under max for rifles.

    • Pstall, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2I have never heard of anyone getting seriously hurt from a hand gun going Kaboom. I bet your friend would have been fine even if the barrel had ruptured.
      • SuperVepr308, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1You might be right but I wouldn't want to try it. I can't remember exactly but his load on the rounds was just way out there. 320 gr or something like that. Either way, he learned his lesson on that one.
  • Huangism, on 05/22/2008, -3/+8i clean my gun everyday
    • FatO, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6It's a shame you're the only one who cleans your gun.
  • etx313, on 05/22/2008, -4/+25No, That's what happens when you fire a defective pistol...
  • loktoris, on 05/22/2008, -4/+16Buried as inaccurate.
  • glock22ownr, on 05/22/2008, -9/+1Looks like a shady gun ... or he's had it for years and years and NEVER cleaned it. Still highly unlikely... The most likely cause for that little mishap is a squibb load.
  • darrin, on 05/22/2008, -1/+4All these site updates and still can't delete a comment? *sigh*
    • shortyjacobs, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6They hide the ability using a crafty button with Delete on it when you click edit...weird eh?
  • TheXuu, on 05/22/2008, -19/+3That pistol isn't even publicly available due to its armor piercing nature. i dare say anyone that has the ability to buy one would know how to clean it properly.
    A few tasy tidbits...

    http://www.remtek.com/arms/fn/57/index.htm
    "The Five-seveN® fires the SS190 5.7x28mm ball round. This projectile will perforate any individual protection on today's battlefield including the PASGT kevlar helmet, 48 layers of kevlar body armor and the CRISAT target (titanium and kevlar)."

    http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
    The Five-seveN is advertised as being capable to penetrate standart PAGST vest at 300 meters and standart CRISAT (kevlar + titanium) vest at 100 meters.
    • SuperVepr308, on 05/22/2008, -0/+16Just an FYI, you can purchase a Five-n-Seven. 5.7 ammo does not have to be made armor piercing. PS90's use the same ammo.
    • iroc409, on 05/22/2008, -1/+14Your information is not entirely accurate.

      The pistol is widely available to the public and is not banned in any way, shape, or form. The ammunition and original design specs of the gun were intended to defeat body armor. However, the ATF regulate "armor-piercing" ammo and that ammo is not available to the public.

      Go to a gun store, even like Sportsman's Warehouse, and you will find the Five Seven for about $900.

      There is ammunition for this firearm that is not considered "armor-piercing" and is available to the public. The firearm is not particularly popular because the ammo is quite expensive, and several types are banned for public consumption.

      Which really in itself is a bit of a conundrum, since just about any standard caliber hunting rifle will do far more damage than this pistol can.
    • shoover, on 05/22/2008, -0/+5I think you're confusing what the ammo can do with what the gun can do. Guns aren't armor piercing, ammo can be.
    • whoreable, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Rofl moran, I just saw a fiveseven in the bass pro shops ad last Sunday. My brother has one.
    • colin8651, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Another FYI, The term "Law Enforcement Use Only" is not a legal term, it is a marketing term. It makes the consumer feel he is getting something only the police can have.

      Private Citizens in most states can buy anything thing that they want, assuming it doesn't explode, or fire in automatically and not registered before 1986. Some companies, like HK, choose to not sell their legal firearms to civilians, but that is by choice.
      • SuperVepr308, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1You are correct, sir. I have a ton of AR-15 mags that are stamped "law enforcement only". What is funny is they were sold by the police to civialians (indirectly) when they auction stuff off to buy new equipment.
    • duomenox, on 07/16/2008, -0/+0The Five-seveN is a fine handgun... I own one myself.

      The ammo is not that much more expensive than other calibers. Currently, the 5.7 x 28mm ammo is only manufactured by FNH (the makers of the Five-seveN, PS-90, and P-90), but a new agreement between FN and two ammo manufacturers will produce more choices for 5.7 x 28mm ammo sometime next year.

      The reason this gun is so popular is that the recoil is only a bit more powerful than the recoil of a 22, and the bullet is extreamly accurate (I've personally have had phenominal accuracy at aroun 20 yards with my Five-seveN, some of the more advanced marksman at my gun club can hit center from over 30 yards with this pistol... I wouldn't believe it if I had not seen it for myself)

      If you have a chance to squeeze off a few rounds with this gun, don't pass it up.
  • teamparadox, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Google managed to cache it before it went down...

    http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2F ...
  • gfreeman223, on 05/22/2008, -15/+5Actually, the owner of this pistol, who has commented in this thread is responsible for blowing his own gun up because he

    1. Reloaded his own ammo
    2. Reloaded his own ammo using the wrong type of bullet (55 grain meant for 5.56/.223 rifles)
    3. Reloaded his own ammo using his own mysterious cartridge length and powder charge.

    He justifies it by saying his specs were common on the internet, but guess what, retards are common on the internet as well. Furthermore, anyone who's read a ***** reloading manual know not to just take stranger's word for it when reloading. The 5.7 pistol has a slightly different extraction procedure than a standard pistol, so basically, this guy completely ***** UP, and then BAWWWW BAWWWW BAWWWWWED until F&N gave him a new pistol for free.

    Don't blame the gun, or cleaning procedures when you feed it ammo you roll yourself... especially when the ammo you roll is crap!
    • maz2331, on 05/22/2008, -0/+11IF the gun allowed an out-of-battery firing, it's still an inherently unsafe design, and the ammo becomes irrelevant. An overpressure or high primer discharge is the user's fault.

    • f3rr37, on 05/22/2008, -0/+4My complaint isn't that the gun went kaboom, my complaint is how FN has dealt with me. I merely placed a call to FN asking if they wanted to take a look at the firearm, he said hold on to it and I'll talk to my boss. So I call him and leave him a msg the next day as he said he would call me and didn't, and he calls me back 2 days after the initial call. Then says that "someone" will call me, I wait 2 weeks, no one calls. I call back and he said the best they could do was inspect the gun, destroy it after 30 days, and give me a "deep discount" on a new one. Well I waited for the UPS call-tag that he said would be here in 2 days, waited another 2 weeks and never heard a word from them and never received a call-tag.
      • barnett25, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Supposedly S&W support is a dream to work with, though I don't have first hand experience.
    • TheAthlon, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Some facts in your post are not entirely accurate.
      55 grain bullets can be loaded in this case, as can 28, 32, and 40 grain bullets.
      The overall length of the reloaded ammo used was ~1.580 in., the overall case length listed for this round is 1.594 in., so the overall length is not an issue as the difference is ~1/100 of an inch.
    • cybrguy, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1(55 grain meant for 5.56/.223 rifles)

      a 55 grain bullet is not the type or dimensions but the weight. The type and dimensions and weight together determine what gun it can be fired from.

    • diggdong, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I am going to buy FN five & seven next week. When I seen the pic it was truly dumb founded. It is understanding that the shooter would want to pack his own rerounds. A box of 50 is like $18. The armor piecing NATO round is 31 grains. The civilian round that cost $18 is 20 grain. He says his was 51. No wounder he was shooting reloads. But hear you have it. You are lucky.
  • rowlodge, on 05/22/2008, -3/+4never saw bullets like that, look wicked.
  • mathwizkid, on 05/22/2008, -1/+9Website offline. What a crap host is that hostgator. They pull the website offline but do place a page that brings them money instead.
    • Chalks777, on 05/22/2008, -1/+4I've been hosted by hostgator for over 3 years now with never a problem. You can set your own default "whoops, bandwidth/404/whatever error" page. If you don't, then it just goes to HostGator's default. I'm willing to bet most hosting sites do the same thing.
  • shagg187, on 05/22/2008, -11/+2AK-47 and it's lack of cleaning FTW!
    • Pixelante, on 05/22/2008, -1/+3You've never used an AK-47, obviously. It has to be cleaned like any other weapon, or it will fail again like any other weapon not properly maintained. It's a little more tolerant but crud in the barrel will spell grief on you, in Cyrillic letters.
  • kraemer007, on 05/22/2008, -0/+20The title is totally inaccurate. The gun blew up because of a design flaw. The original article: http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/general-fi ...
  • lbreevesii, on 05/22/2008, -0/+22I hate inaccurate titles and descriptions...
  • captnkurt, on 05/22/2008, -5/+15Strangely, this is exactly the same thing that happens to you when you don't clean your guMs.

    Let's floss out there, people.

    Signed,
    Dr. Ginger Vitus, D.D.S.
    • Chalks777, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2when you don't clean your gums you... get a piece of brass in your hand? I'm confused.
  • mcmegmegs, on 05/22/2008, -9/+17***** THING SUCKS!
  • dpaluszek, on 05/22/2008, -0/+6According to the article, the FiveSeveN was firing out-of-battery, which means the firearm did not cycle the new round into the chamber properly, thus creating the explosion.

    That's some crazy stuff, and it seems to be a flaw with the 5.7 itself. I hope this is recalled an fixed.
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